so if you get super lucky
#h1-builds-and-combat
rapid kraken
You go Aphrodite on basic attack + more damage on weak + crit on dash
silver sonnet
bow is not great
tough tulip
and ye bingo, without the double arrows, bow is mediocre
rain axle
bow is the strongest you just dash in close and spam special it kills everything and locks them down
silver sonnet
all of my hydra kills have been spear
magic bough
@tough tulip lmao that's broken as hell 😄
silver sonnet
and with sword and sheild I can pretty regularly get to hydra
bow is a crap shoot every time
rapid kraken
If you don't get that, you can always go on a simple Lightning on basic attack and spam it from a distance
rain axle
they all have their uses
rapid kraken
I kill Hydra everytimes i play bow 😄
silver sonnet
no you dont
rain axle
bow is good at kill bosses but not good at crowd control and massive waves
shield is good at crowd control and massive but not good for bosses
rapid kraken
I do
rain axle
spear is a mix all around weapon. very small hit box those so your aim better be good.
magic bough
Special still clears a lot of enemy shots though, and it's very easy to use
rain axle
sword is......well sword is just bad
silver sonnet
sword is the only weapon that can get healing on attack
tough tulip
I miss day1 shield
magic bough
I feel like the spear is the trickest and should deal most dmg in the long run
rain axle
That healing on attack is near worthless
silver sonnet
nah
rapid kraken
Spear is stupid when you understand the Charge -> Dash
silver sonnet
you just auto twice on nothing then hit with the 3rd hit
you hit a little cluster
knock everything back
and heal for like 6 ever couple seconds
rain axle
sword's damage is too low for it be effective and you give up a big chunk of hp for it
silver sonnet
plus you can break pots with the 3rd hit and it heals you too
so you can always be full health after a room just by clearing the pots
not saying sword is great
but its at least as good as bow
if not better than bow
rain axle
problem with the sword is the shield can do everything it can do but better
tough tulip
but can sword shotgun oneshot every enemy in the game
undone pond
i am having a bit of trouble with dash
i dont know the proper timing and enemies always hit and gah
tough tulip
just play more, you get the hang of the timing for different enemies after a while
rapid kraken
Almost got the Hydra with the sword, dang
gentle terrace
So shield is the most safe weapon to go?
pearl jackal
Does anybody knows how to unlock the locked hearts?
So many relationships are blocked right now.
pastel jolt
wait for more game, i assume
silk brook
Any tips for a sword run ?
proud storm
consider something else
silver sonnet
actually just killed hydra on a sword run
got the 400% damage thing for every attack
where its just 1 big slash
and then aphrodite for another close to 200% damage on attack
just autoed everything to death because I did several hundred a hit
wind vortex
I feel like sword needs something ridiculously broken to succeed while the others only require moderately good boons/Daedalus upgrades
untold trellis
I won easily on a sword run where I never attacked with the sword and just used cast...
harsh rapids
can u call that a sword run then ? 😛
untold trellis
Only run I haven't been super frustrated fighting vs bombers or hydra with the "sword" 😛
harsh rapids
^^
novel perch
i've finally seen the hydra and got wrecked, i was doing fine until the two other heads spawned, any tips on dealing with him?
harsh rapids
what weapon did you use?
untold trellis
Kill the heads as fast as you can. Spam cast on them and keep hiding behind the walls for the main heads purple projectiles
When the heads are dead, you are usually safest within melee range of the main head unless it's about to do the slam. The purple projectile attack isn't scary at all if you are in melee range and can dash to the other side
neon arrow
Morning guys
novel perch
i used the shield
neon arrow
Quick question: is it possible to get 2 hammer upgrade on the same ability? i.e. shield special hit 2x many targets + 100% more damage after each hit?
tough tulip
I've never seen two hammers in one run
silk brook
Just had my first time with the hydra too with the sword. My build was nonsense tho, quick attacks hammer + dash upgrades and I was basicly just spamming dash and attacks (it worked very well)
pseudo tapir
I find the first boss difficult
plush blaze
Yeah it is, especially with the sword
I've beaten them with every weapon but they're pretty tough at the start
neon arrow
Can you deflect/destroy hydra projectiles?
silk brook
I'm wondering what does blood gates actually do in fact ? just skip one room ?
gentle terrace
Reward you with gold for the cost of blood
neon arrow
It seems it also toss you to another room rather than the ones you see at the exit
Not guaranteed to be different, just another random room it seems
turbid needle
@gentle terrace you can also get 20 dark thing or a heart container
trail orbit
mostly, attack after she has done her dash attack
don't be greedy, just one or two hits then run away
the spear also destroys projectiles, so you can attack her while she's using her fan of projectiles
meg ain't really that hard, you just need patience
and a sense of timing, I suppose
opaque drum
is there something I need to do in order to open the codex? played for a while now but when i press or hold it's not opening up
trail orbit
you have to hold c
neon arrow
Just hold the button and a circle will appear above your head
When it’s complete the codex opens
opaque drum
weird it's still not opening
lost finch
do you guys know if it is correct that quick temper does not affect the spear's spin attack?
effect*
neon arrow
Try charge up then dash?
lost finch
thats what ive been doing. but quick temper doesnt increase the damage. tested against skelly
neon arrow
Hmmm
lost finch
i wondered if its intended or not. technically it should work, because the attack boons also increase spin damage. but then again the spin is not really the attack
¯_(ツ)_/¯
neon arrow
Yeah I thought so. Some1 also said spin after dash doesn’t trigger extra dmg on shield boon even if it crits
Guess the whole spin dash thing is a bit gimmicky atm
lost finch
yeah. im also unsure if the spin-dash is even intended
im lovin it very much. a crit build with the spear and some quick charge for the spin is very able
novel perch
oh wow the hydra has more heads....i killed the two heads and 4 more popped up...and died because of them >~<
neon arrow
Yeah I’d hope they keep it
trail orbit
You need really good damage to beat the hydra since you can't really kite during the last stage of the heads
neon arrow
Lol you’re so close @novel perch
lost finch
oh gawd. here i am, running spin-crit and my daedalus hammer blasts me with 3 special choices
rough condor
is it allowed to post clips of my stream? dont want to self promote, just want to show a really funny aphrodite dash build at hydra
dire mason
Hey @rough condor , feel free to post it here. We are sharing gameplay and tactics after all. 😄
rough condor
all right thanks 
just focused on getting poms for bonus dmg on the aphrodite dash and the weakness+ bonus dmg
dire mason
Don't mess with the goddess of love ya'll. 😄
trail orbit
so, does weak stack?
as in, every additional attack makes the enemy deal less damage, or is it just the damage amp that stacks?
hard holly
There is no way Aprhodite isnt getting nerfed
trail orbit
ya think the artemis meme is getting nerfed too?
rich lantern
@opaque drum You need to get the codex from Achilles too!
trail orbit
just had a silly build with both the artemis meme and the aphrodite weaken on the bow special
it was a lot of damage
probs more efficient to get lvlups for one of the memes, but it worked out
tame depot
Beat hydra
Felt underwhelming cause i 4 shot it
or like 10-shot
somewhere in that region
Either way, Afro builds are pretty damn OP. 😄
uneven shuttle
A'ight, tested out a spear-throw build with what I believe to be good luck for the boons.
Level 5 Epic hearbreak flourish, guaranteed crit on spear throw, extra crit damage vs. armor.
Definitely nowhere near as good as a bow with similar boon luck. Some takeaways:
-The spear throw's inability to stagger even unarmored enemies is bad.
-The spear throw charges for 14 frames, PLUS disables for 10 frames. It can't be canceled out of in that time, far as I can tell. The bow can be canceled out of at any time before release, in which case it has 12 disable frames total. You gotta commit to standing in one place for longer, for less damage.
- Low initial damage and mediocre total damage leave it lacking. Compared with the bow's ability to 1-shot armored bloodless with decent upgrades, this leaves you open all too often (unless you're dashing a lot). In which case...
-You either need to dash backwards (I hope you don't have lava or a wall behind you), forwards (it never staggers, so this is usually a bad idea), or try to hit a different creature with the initial throw and the return. Dodging to the side is a bad idea with the spear toss in general, which is a really bad thing.
-After tossing it, if you need to quickly hit an enemy in a different direction, you're out of luck. At least you can pick up a damaging dash boon. Still you're locked into a specific attack pattern for a while, and can't even use a normal attack until you recall the spear.
-It deals much lower damage than the bow. It has much lower base damage and doesn't benefit from dash crits, the meta dash-attack upgrade, or the massive damage boost the bow gets from hammer upgrades.
On the plus side, the spear's primary attack is still a good choice due to its speed, weird backstab issue and range upgrade. But the toss is really lacking.
sage sky
Yeah if you want to use spear throw as your main source of damage, you need the fast throw/bounce deadalus upgrade
uneven shuttle
I should probably also mention that I'm making all these comparisons to the bow here not because I think the spear toss needs to be buffed or anything, but more to highlight just how crazy powerful the bow is.
turbid needle
LANGUAGE
uneven shuttle
Was there a deleted post, or did I use a faux-pas word accidentally?
grand patrol
yes you cursed
turbid needle
IT WASNT THEM KAM
uneven shuttle
Okay cool
turbid needle
@uneven shuttle don t worry it was someone else
grand patrol
OH SORRY!!!!!! YOURE INOCENT
shrewd willow
Anyone feel like these mobs need a turn cap? Feels weird trying to time dashes to kite an enemy and have them magnetise to you, especially the gollems in the second area. Makes close range weapons/attacks far more useless than the long range attacks
coral pawn
spear stab lets you be more mobile than the bow, but bow special w/ upgraded extra arrows outdamages the spear by far
I think it's a fair tradeoff
spear throw I agree is pretty useless though
wispy mirage
spear with zeus upgrade can outdamge bow if you keep dahing after each attack
coral pawn
I've had 100% more arrows, and 200% more special damage and deflect on a bow build once, it was like 25 dmg per arrow
unfortunately my dash was replaced with a shield dash and that doesn't help much on wave 3 of hydra
wispy mirage
even if every arrow hits spear hits so often it procs zeus often enought that its more dmg
plus the animation is super long on bow
coral pawn
I think normal special is 10 arrows, it's 20 with 100% more arrows, 20x25 dmg in basically zero time with all deflects was absolutely insane
uneven shuttle
Honestly, bow special attack is mostly a gimmick. It's the bow's dash attack that blows everything else out of the water (though spear standard and dash attacks aren't too shabby either).
Also, @shrewd willow , I agree that right now the way mob hordes work leads to kiting. I'd like to see more varied enemy behaviour at some point, maybe something with a directional shield, for instance. Something to counter ranged combat. Because right now, ranged enemies can all float above pits and lava, making close-ranged melee worse at, well, almost everything
wispy mirage
it's unsafe and slow tho, i'd rather have a safe and fast dmg source that may not be burst but has higher dps
sage sky
It's also way easier to get backstabs going with the spear's weird hitbox
uneven shuttle
Yeah, I mentioned the spear's backstab thing earlier.
coral pawn
when they are all deflects you don't get hit unless it's a bomb or ranged nondeflectable
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wispy mirage
the nice thing is that spear autonmaticly perieces and can get rid of more enmys that way
sage sky
Seriously tho, that hitbox is really strange. With the poseidon upgrade, it just knocks stuff at random
The spear goes through walls too
coral pawn
in general though I agree, I like the spear more than the bow 99% of the time, but if you hit the right upgrades dear god
wispy mirage
yeah it's upgrade dependend, but that's where the problem lies for me I like a more consistent option more
uneven shuttle
It seems most people dislike the bow when they pick it up, but I find it kinda weird that it's the case. Because even without upgrades, your charged dash-attacks deal 70 damage
And those come out quick
coral pawn
its got a very different playstyle than the up close weapons
uneven shuttle
Plus you get to stack so much boon damage on them
wispy mirage
"quick"
sage sky
Well, the one thing that make me like the bow more than the spear are the deadalus upgrades. I've never gotten a hammer with the bow and been like 'man, I don't like any of these'. Whereas, it happens a lot of the time with the spear
wispy mirage
yeah on spear most hammer upgrades suck, I always go for range up as it is the only decent one
coral pawn
every time I get the hammer on the spear i'm like why couldnt you be anything else
spin attack locks you in animation far too long after going off
and I don't want to throw you
wispy mirage
spin is as bad as sword special, well at least it got better range
sage sky
Spin is really good early on, but it quickly loses its usefulness
500% damage on armor is decent also, if you can just get a decent boon for the throw, it helps you tear through armor really fast
velvet quest
I don't think anything is as bad as the sword special lmao
wispy mirage
na sword special can stun lock multiple enemys
minor scroll
Sword special is huge Aoe burst but AS a finisher, otherwise you're the one stunlocked
wispy mirage
plus if you upgrade spin you aren't upgrading normal which isn't a good idea
hushed ledge
nah, there's no upgrades to specifically spin except hammer, and iirc hammer has no normal attack upgrades
yeah but then those boons aren't going to the normal attack
minor scroll
well, on shield i uses a lot of special boons
wispy mirage
hammer has the 130% range up
velvet quest
in general I feel as if the sword special just isn't rewarding enough for how punishing it is
untold trellis
I often get locked out of dashing while charging the bow
That makes the bow feel really awkward
wheat perch
i can spam sword special as long as they don't have armor, i don't think it's that bad, but yeah i don't think it's very good, i can use it in the fight vs the twin skellies tho
untold trellis
And not having charge->Dash work well with keyboard mouse is also awkward
sturdy ice
is there any chance we will get the ability to see zagreus behind fore-ground art objects? would love to be able to see an outline of my character when he is out of sight at least
fallen lintel
enemy outlines too pls
sturdy ice
Shadow tactics: Blades of the shogun has a great isometric view that does partial and full outlines of characters when they are behind foreground or game objects that hide them from the player's camera perspective
hope they look into that game to find a technique to do an outline shader
rich lantern
What's useful is screenshots of instances when an object isn't fading away to show enemies or Zag behind them. We need to fix them object-by-object.
wispy mirage
sucks that epic launcher has no screenshot button
velvet quest
you can use the print screen button on your keyboard! that clips the screen and saves it to your clipboard, then you can just paste it into discord and add a comment/text
wispy mirage
screenshoting the game only works for me when i tab out of it
vague hearth
What comes to mind for me would be an outline for Zagreus like in a hat in time, but I supose that wouldn't work quite so well with hades' colour palette
neon arrow
Cast ammo outline plzzz
wispy mirage
put it in the feedback channel
wispy mirage
i just 2 phased the hydra withi spear
velvet quest
huh it works fine for me, but sometimes i have to alt-tab in and out a few times
like it's weird about what it captures
copper berry
it actually feels bad now when I dont kill hydra before he spawns 4 heads
and if he spawns 6? 
hushed ledge
imo barrage needs more startup time on hydra, and also needs to curve less
only slightly less curve though
limpid ember
Yeah, another half second or so of startup would be great for letting you get out of the way
uneven shuttle
Oh, by the way @copper berry, I was wrong about the hammer upgrade. Was getting hammer upgrades mixed up with moveset 'weapons' (each swing is a different 'weapon'; the upgrades are handled as normal upgrades)
copper berry
good to know AE
uneven shuttle
Upgrades are in TraitData.lua, for the record
copper berry
Right now I am peeping in the RoomManager.lua
to see if I can glean any way to cheese the system
influence my runs
normal bough
Idk if this has been discussed but does the sword q feel a little lack luster compared to the other weapons? It has an ok aoe but has so many cooldown frames, the spear and shield q's just seem to be better
quaint gale
yeah, it's possibly the worst attack in the game
pearl willow
i quite like the lightning dash but man it's annoying when it targets the main hydra head while it's invuln and you just go bouncing all over the place lol
thorn fox
its so annoying when your shield decide to go visit Australia half of the time when you throw it with your special
lapis jacinth
Anyone know anything about the locked doors in the spawn area on the far left?
wind vortex
I think when the game’s longer those may end up being shortcuts to certain areas
zinc quarry
Does Artemis feel like it lags out the game everything you dash after shooting an arrow for you guys too?
I feel like it wasn't like that before but idk if it's intended
quaint gale
you mean the slo-mo? that's intended
zinc quarry
It feels like it's much more slow-mo than with the other weapons, like the frame drops completely
modest dew
Nah I got that too
It's the worst with the artemis dash
Just restart and it'll fix itself though
zinc quarry
Really? I just booted the game
thorn fox
survival waves on second floor are soo broken. It doens't help that the game fraps drop under 10 too
sage sky
Never had this problem, what are your specs ?
pearl willow
ares cast is actually a bit better than i expected but unfortunately the hydra heads often hover 'over' them 😦
silver sonnet
You can get the 400% hammer damage buff on sword too
that makes all your swings just one big hit
vague hearth
Basically cast only
silver sonnet
and then get a bunch of damage bonus
I've beat hydra with that setup
the secret to winning is to run the aphrodite charm until the first boss and then the 200% damage when below 20% health till the end
for basically any weapon
at least that is one viable strat
loud sand
I'm trying a build with the poseidon knockback on special + AoE upgrade from the hammer, and the wall slam combos are pretty good
hot yoke
Ares shot with the seeking + duration on it is absolutely a way to melt anything
pulsar loom
Artemis' dash/shoot always crit doesn't stack with her shoot crit chance, does it?
loud sand
update: sword special build favoring knockback boons is actually pretty good, bit weak on bosses but clears rooms better than other specs I tried with it
pretty good anti armor since you can stack a lot of environmental damage
hushed ledge
the problem is that its miserable against bosses
and sword is already passable against trash
loud sand
yeah, true
fallen lintel
i think cast build might be the biggest carry build for sword
game gave one to me and i made it to hydra for the first time
without trouble
significantly easier than anything else
uneven shuttle
That's probably true, since cast/dash builds don't really care about what weapon you use
fallen lintel
i only had +1 cast projectile from the mirror to start too
dash can be easier but it's slower than a proper sword build and doesn't put in nearly as much work as cast from what i've seen
400 dmg per ammo and got +2 ammo
on that run
never gotten anything close
i didn't even want to do a cast build but it was easily the best option so i had to
loud sand
ooh, still on trying to make sword viable, anyone try daedalus faster attack but lose thrust + chain lightning boon? This seems pretty good so far
fallen lintel
the major problem with sword is the bosses and chain lightning doesn't directly help against solo targets
merry notch
I've had pretty good luck with Aprhodite Dash+Curse Sword, pretty much the only thing that makes it do damage. If you add in the weak enemies take more damage you start seeing some very nice numbers. But the sword just seems to suck :/
loud sand
I think the lightning bounces to the boss if you kill adds though, no?
fallen lintel
you can clear everything in tartarus with just mirror upgrades without too much trouble (if you're already really used to it) but the bosses require boons to do cleanly at all
not actually sure on that
it might
loud sand
I think it did on Meg
fallen lintel
then asphodel in general with sword is rough
i'm also still learning how to bring the sword's potential to its fullest but it's not quite competitive with the other weapons as of the current version
just outclassed
loud sand
yeah I feel that for sure
fallen lintel
game just gave me another starting epic true shot
loud sand
Ok this sword build just let me 3 cycle hydra and only get hit once lol
fallen lintel
true shot feels like a sin to take now lmao
i wanted to keep getting better at sword combat
guess i need to play a few cast builds out
loud sand
I couldn't take a screenshot, but try this if you can get the RNG for it:
modest dew
have they removed multishot?
loud sand
daedalus - faster AAs
zeus - chain lightning on attack + all chain lightning upgrades (bounces more, generates more chains etc)
artemis - any damage source can crit
modest dew
cause i havent found it in my last 4 runs
loud sand
I breezed through everything with that
fallen lintel
i haven't worked with a chain lightning build in a while so i'll see
loud sand
After experimenting with some more sword runs, I feel like the attack speed from daedalus really helps a lot of builds - just doing one with that + athena's deflect on attacks and aphrodite's dash, and it makes it basically impossible to take damage
fallen lintel
fury deflect seems inconsistent
it's not brainless at least
doesn't deflect everything
uneven shuttle
Yeah, I've tried fury reflect and fury knockback; knockback is more consistent than reflect for dealing with hordes, but makes Asphodel a nightmare. It seems they really didn't want Poseidon boons to be useful in Asphodel, but the result is witches end up outside the arena spamming projectiles at you with no way of reaching them
spiral arrow
I have yet to get through Asphodel, any tips?
untold trellis
What's messing you up?
untold trellis
You have to kite the bomb guys a lot
uneven shuttle
And rush down the numbskull spawners, ideally with ranged attacks
untold trellis
The spawners you can clear some of the skulls from far awaythen rush in and clear the spawner and run again
til it dies
spiral arrow
That's a good strat
Idk what god has the best upgrades to get through it
So far not a single run has got to the boss lol
uneven shuttle
Aphrodite's boons are the best on pretty much everything
spiral arrow
Mm yeah
uneven shuttle
Alongside a few of Artemis'
spiral arrow
Is aphro generally considered the best rn?
uneven shuttle
Highest damage output halves damage taken from things you're attacking, and allows you to stack even larger bonus damage onto it
spiral arrow
The more you know
untold trellis
she has a boon that amps dmg to weakened targets
spiral arrow
That's so good
uneven shuttle
Artemis gives dash-crits and bonus crit damage / crit armor damage
untold trellis
plus some of the others have some really awkwardly weak / negative boons
spiral arrow
I've found the dash crits to be fantastic but not quiet enough to keep me alive
untold trellis
poseidon and ares both have bad dash replacements
uneven shuttle
Crit-dash is best by a lot, next is probably Athena's
untold trellis
the revenge dmg can be good / ok but it doesnt scale with crit
spiral arrow
I'm just glad I can semi consistently beat meg now
This is honestly one of the hardest rouge likes I've played in a while
And I love it
pulsar loom
Just beat hydra for the first time, the shield chick's bonus base attack power, bonus damage to close enemies, and the auto crit after dash. Hydra still gets crazy at the end, though
fast raptor
I wanna do an aphrodite dash run. No attacks just dashes
pulsar loom
Zeus also worked well for that
wind vortex
yeah hydra's pretty crazy right now
pulsar loom
Just have to get an epic level version of the dash, or it's a bit weak
fast raptor
Flash. Is that you?
wind vortex
unless your run is so good that it bursts him down before he has the chance to do the last head spawn
pulsar loom
Yeah, so much junk on screen during the final phases
It's manageable until it goes all out
At which point I was happy I had like 4x death avoidance
tawdry cairn
Just went from my first Meg kill to Hydra on the same run with a lvl 4+ Athena cast. The damage is just insane, will one shot most enemies even with armor and you can just kite bulkier enemies until they drop the charges.
*artemis
forest marsh
Oh man, just got an Epic Lightning Dash and it is, indeed, epic
indigo compass
yess i finaly beat hydra!
graceful bough
Is it just me or does everything feel underpowered compared to the shield?
fast pawn
It's not just you
silver sonnet
spear > sheild
fast pawn
But I really am not a big fan of the shield, personally.
graceful bough
I just played spear for the first time and had a terrible time with it.
Especially after my last amazing run with the shield.
fast pawn
Doesn't really fit my playstyle. I like sword and bow more than spear, tbh.
And spear more than shield.
But that's just me
forest marsh
Charge + dash with Spear is very helpful
graceful bough
why are shields the best melee weapon in every roguelike
first dead cells, now hades
loud sand
hot take of the night, the bow feels awful to me, and all three others feel relatively equal
limpid ember
Bow is the most broken, if you get good boons
silver sonnet
bow is a one trick poney
pearl willow
mother effer. only have like 60 hp entering hydra with mediocre amusing sword build, do fine until a single needle hits me and im essentially stunlocked and losing that major chunk of HP is the beginning of the end.
limpid ember
But it's also the weakest if you get bad ones
silver sonnet
if you can get your special buffed a bunch
you can just 1 shot everything
otherwise its trash
loud sand
yeah the dash behind + Q backstab on all stacks feels pretty good
but it feels really clunky otherwise
graceful bough
I had some really good runs with the bow at first
fast pawn
@loud sand I'm personally not a super big fan because of the lag on the Q after it's cast.
silver sonnet
only weapon I haven't beaten hydra with is sheild actually
now that I think of it
3 spear, 1 bow, 1 sword
graceful bough
but after returning to it after playing others for a while, it felt severely underpowered.
silver sonnet
bow struggles with skulls
graceful bough
ooh there's a hydra
loud sand
yeah @fast pawn I think that's definitely a big part, as well as the inital windup on an attack, it's much harder to respond when you get mobbed
simple crest
any Spear user not know that you could Hold Charge and Dash to spin at a distance or is it just me?
graceful bough
What's the spoiler policy?
fast pawn
I've never had a problem with bow vs skulls personally.
graceful bough
I know there's a spoiler discussion channel.
silver sonnet
@simple crest that is the best combo
@simple crest if you get the crit on dash, it procs on that every time too
so it guaruntees that huge aoe is a crit
fast pawn
Ahh I forgot about that. Should have used that on my last run.
simple crest
yeah I had Aphro's def debuff + crit dash + quick spin charge, then killed the Bone thing in 8 hits or so
graceful bough
I haven't beaten Meg yet but my closest fight by a significant margin was with the shield.
Bow is awful against her.
fast pawn
Bow was the first thing I used to kill meg.
Had point blank shot and artemis crit, and killed her super quick.
graceful bough
There's such a slow build-up to attack.
silver sonnet
you don't use the basic attack on bow usually
fast pawn
Once you beat Meg for the first time, she's way easier afterwards.
silver sonnet
you use the special
graceful bough
If the special is good on your run.
silver sonnet
its really hard to get far in the game with basic attack bercause of how slow it is
graceful bough
Sometimes it's just not, lol.
silver sonnet
and it doesn't have natural penetration
graceful bough
But sometimes it can get pretty great.
silver sonnet
so you struggle to clear 1 at a time slowly
fast pawn
Honestly, basic attack on bow is great if you get the hammer for Point Blank Shot and you're facing 1 enemy.
Plus if you dash, the charge speed is quicker, or at least it feels quicker.
graceful bough
Meg is not 1 enemy.
silver sonnet
it is slightly faster after dash to charge yea
graceful bough
That's honestly what killed me.
I got too distracted by killing the other enemies.
silver sonnet
you can prove it by getting the 300% damage buff on bow with slower charge time
and comparing normal vs dash
graceful bough
Which were pretty easy that time, but they just overcrowded me.
silver sonnet
its very noticible there
graceful bough
I think they were spawning faster than I could kill them. And I was destroying like 4 at a time.
fast pawn
Most of my Meg kills, I focused on killing her instead of adds. And just dodged as much as I could from adds while hitting Meg.
fast pawn
😄
uneven shuttle
@silver sonnet Bow's Q isn't even that good, it's the dash attack that is
modest dew
^^
silver sonnet
@uneven shuttle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Dp5iC3vnQ
modest dew
you want to pick up the artemis dash and all ranks of quick temper
stray radish
asdfghjk aaaaa (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
uneven shuttle
Yeah, I've also done that
stray radish
finally beat the annoying explodey skulls for the first time. died to a bomb
silver sonnet
@uneven shuttle it is good if you get the right buffs
stray radish
i feel the progress. and mad
modest dew
even from the video
simple crest
we should make an archive of builds if we haven't already. Just like 3 columns of boons/upgrades
uneven shuttle
I said not even that good.
Believe you me, the dash attacks are what's broken, not the Q
indigo compass
haha risu wait till u get to asphodel:p
indigo compass
thats the next area:p
silver sonnet
dash attack needs penetrating shots
stray radish
i heard stories. im not sure i can make it that far lol
silver sonnet
or it is worthless to get to hydra
stray radish
but ill try!
silver sonnet
you can't clear the skull pools fast enough
modest dew
you can tbh
uneven shuttle
Nah, triple shot is the best bow upgrade
modest dew
all you need to do is kite
indigo compass
yeah feel the bow could def use some penetration on a boon or something
modest dew
yeah triple shot is easily the best
silver sonnet
eh play how you want
i find my most reliable hydra killer and weapon to get to hydra is spear anyway
I think bow is the worst weapon
modest dew
tawdry cairn
My best builds are cast focused 😛
modest dew
^this tbh
indigo compass
only beat the hydra with cast so far:p
uneven shuttle
Example of Q:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLOm1jO0haA
Example of Dash attacks (not me):
https://www.twitch.tv/dinosaurus/clip/JazzyCooperativeNarwhalEleGiggle?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time
quaint gale
jumps through window someone talking smack about bows in here?
simple crest
^ me with Spear
simple crest
oh man waiting for dual wields
tawdry cairn
my fav build is the single powerful strike on sword. It has insane scaling with certain boons. You can just one shot everything lol
granite jackal
Rogue needs his knives, fellow. v_v
pls
But Gauntlets would be... [sips Ambrosia]
wind vortex
Por que no los dos
wind vortex
Spears are usually my go-to weapon in any game that has them
silver sonnet
@uneven shuttle the special bow vid you linked didn't pre proc the low health bonus or get backstabs
wind vortex
I just think they’re cool
vague hearth
I'm the same but with shields if they can do damage
silver sonnet
@uneven shuttle the dash attacks were pretty good though
uneven shuttle
It was me. I wasn't even building toward it.
vague hearth
I love the idea of being an insurmountable wall
uneven shuttle
But despite its usefulness against Hydra, the dash-attack is better through the rest of the game
granite jackal
ye that's why I play Sub-Zero in MK
vague hearth
Or failing that, a boy with a big punch
granite jackal
insurmountable wall
However in most other games
I like ninja assassin thief wanderer stabby stabby dishonor
silver sonnet
@uneven shuttle i found the opposite to be true, how did he clear skulls with dash attack?
quaint gale
dash around them and shoot the pile?
vague hearth
Patience
uneven shuttle
It's not that hard, honestly.
This is the technique, at least:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=par9pCqnysY
modest dew
all you need to do to get rid of skulls is just kite them to one side
uneven shuttle
You don't need to do much special to get rid of skull piles
wind vortex
I want my good old army carbine ported over to Hades in some way, although given the game’s pace that’ll probably be unwieldy as hell and IDK how you’d even fit a firearm into this setting
modest dew
then dash to the other and kill the spawner
uneven shuttle
maybe get up close for a shot
granite jackal
Some kind of Pistol or Rifle would be really cool in this game
But yeah I don't know how it'd mesh with the setting at all
silver sonnet
@uneven shuttle i know how dash attacks work
wind vortex
Carbine and brusher pike gang
vague hearth
God I loved the carbine
modest dew
all i want is something slow firing that does a lot of damage and pierces
silver sonnet
@uneven shuttle but after the first boss
indigo compass
maybe dual pistols:p
uneven shuttle
*Don't know what to tell you other than "it works fine"
silver sonnet
@uneven shuttle there are ton's of skulls piles that spawn a bunch of skulls, you can't even get through the skulls to get to the piles
modest dew
you just kite to one side
silver sonnet
ill have to play around with it more then
modest dew
it really isnt that bad using dash shots
silver sonnet
right but if like 3 piles spawn
modest dew
then wait until they finish spawning
uneven shuttle
Especially triple shot. Also, bow deals damage to multiple enemies if they're overlapping
modest dew
^^
indigo compass
hmm i had a survive 50 sec in asphodel with only skull piles while wielding bow, was a nightmare lol
silver sonnet
aight im trying a dash attack run
copper berry
Hold up
silver sonnet
assuiming artemis start?
vague hearth
Someone else using the build: It just works
copper berry
Lemme learn you a little something
uneven shuttle
Oh, survive ones you shouldn't bother fighting anyway
silver sonnet
not survive
vague hearth
Me trying the build: WHY ISN'T IT WORKING
copper berry
Early levels to deal with skull piles, you just dash in and special them
silver sonnet
normal attack room with several skull piles
copper berry
Later on you just have to fire as fast as possible while getting reasonable damage
wind vortex
As of right now the only weapon that I really want in the game and know can be in the game is some kind of hammer
granite jackal
For survives I just walk around.
vague hearth
Skulls make me cry 90% of the time
granite jackal
If it's Tartarus I find a wall to dash over
quaint gale
after Meg you should be doing enough damage to 1 or 2 shot the piles
granite jackal
Back and forth
quaint gale
so you just get an angle and blow it up
granite jackal
If it's Asphodel the spaces are large enough to literally just circle for eternity
copper berry
@wind vortex I think likely weapons we discussed were Hammer, Whip, Magic of some sort?, and Hammer
oops I said hammer twice, I mean Scythe was there
uneven shuttle
There's some kind of hook weapon mentioned in the files
quaint gale
hammer, hammer, and hammer
modest dew
i think the most likely ones are scythe hammer, and some short range melee
copper berry
Digging through the files 😄
granite jackal
Ooh, a hook is curious
Displace, but the OPPOSITE kind of Displace
See most weapons Knockback
intriguing
modest dew
if you want a hook
indigo compass
haha yeah hook sounds cool
modest dew
then take the posidon buff on special
copper berry
it pulls enemies towards you on the way back
granite jackal
Yeah just
copper berry
@modest dew thisman gets it
granite jackal
Special then re-Special
wind vortex
Some kind of hook with Poseidon boon would be janky
uneven shuttle
I just saw the name, tbh. Didn't bother to see if it was fleshed out at all, but it didn't seem so
granite jackal
clutchhh
modest dew
its so bad tbh
granite jackal
The Leviathan Spear v_v
modest dew
you just end up hooking them in, and they attack while youre stuck in endlag
copper berry
A lot of what I found in the files has a LITTLE bit of stuff to it, but not a TON
quaint gale
honestly I felt a little bad snooping through those files
copper berry
Which makes me wonder like, did they hold back on adding TOO MUCH at once, so as to make the early parts easier to fix
uneven shuttle
Get fast swing on sword + poseidon
granite jackal
Hey little survey, what's an enemy type that used to STOMP you but you since figured out and they're nothin' to ya now?
For me it was Louts
copper berry
Brimstones
quaint gale
it's possible some of it gets scrapped and we're just disappointed for things we shouldn't know about
uneven shuttle
And the witches will go off screen, and you will have no way of getting to them over the lava
wind vortex
Some kind of twin daggers would be really cool
copper berry
or either of the Skeleton twins
granite jackal
the Skeleton Twins are still obnoxious for me
loud sand
Louts still mess me up sometimes because they can hit you through dash
granite jackal
Yeah, that
copper berry
All enemies that dash hit you through dash
wind vortex
Not an enemy type but Meg used to stomp me
copper berry
Meg, Bloodless, and Louts do
granite jackal
Noted!
wind vortex
Like every time
granite jackal
I mean she's an enemy type haha
granite jackal
Just, very unique precious snowflake demon fury baby
loud sand
Yeah, as opposed to projectiles I mean
copper berry
or "FurySister_01"
uneven shuttle
I'm fine snooping files
I might see if I can mod a weapon upgrade that makes rocks fall
lost rose
Louts kick my ass reliably
loud sand
or ones you can dash past their model like the club dudes whose name I'm forgetting
granite jackal
Wretched Thug
copper berry
I just want a way to know how to influence the starting item in a dungeon
lost rose
Also the armored numbskull nests in asphodel
wind vortex
Armored louts are odd
fast pawn
Speaking of weapons that we want, I want a mace.
indigo compass
yes louts have a weird charge , seems their range isent allways the same
fast pawn
I feel like a mace would be badass.
copper berry
or influence the acutal layout of the seeds. Sometimes I repeat the same seed and it works out well, but then randomly when I redo it, it changes the layout halfway through
vague hearth
I have trouble with brimstone and numbskulls but I have an easy time with bomber bois and witches
wind vortex
Yeah a mace/hammer would be really cool
modest dew
im still holding out for some kind of magic weapon, maybe using casts as ammo
granite jackal
Zagreus just totally seems like the type of kid to use daggers so I partly want those in for that reason.
quaint gale
how are you picking seeds?
indigo compass
yeah love me some hammers:p
wind vortex
Some kind of flame bellows portover would be greatly appreciated as well
modest dew
i think theyll try and stay away from bastion weapons tbh
granite jackal
Ohh, I used a synonym for arrogant/overconfident and it got flagged because of the first four letters
I see I see
lost rose
I'm So Sorry
granite jackal
Nono it's okay lmao
lost rose
I Don't Know Why It Still Does That orz
wind vortex
It’s like the Dark Souls name filter
granite jackal
Wondrous underworld
Therefore remember Pomegranate
wind vortex
K***ht
uneven shuttle
As a Havel cosplay main in DS1 and DS3, I'd be down for making the hammer into a weapon instead of an item
uneven shuttle
I kinda hate that movesets are tied to an item, anyway. Fast-swing sword isn't a thing you get to choose
fast pawn
@modest dew I want a giant morningstar, cause I don't think we've had one of those in a SuperGiant game yet.
copper berry
Being Havel :/
granite jackal
Castlevania got me thinking of a Whip or Morningstar sure
uneven shuttle
Mostly in DS3
copper berry
Now in dark souls 2, Powerstancing Fume Ultragreatsword was my JAM
uneven shuttle
It's real hard to kill people who know what they're doing
copper berry
Yeah
wind vortex
I want some kind of Halberd actually
copper berry
Plus you dont get the cool stuff until later in the dragon area
uneven shuttle
The secret is to use the 1-handed jump attack. It gets followed up by an instant rolling attack, without the roll
nobody expects it
copper berry
glass the scythe is a likely look for the "halberd" type
could have a spike for the thrusting attack
modest dew
has anyone got the multishot upgrade from artemis in a while
cause ive been trying to get it and it stopped appearing for me after like 4 runs
minor axle
i have rarely seen artemis or athena actually
which im actually fine with cuz their stuff is kind of boring except for multi shot. tho i have been using spear mostly so maybe artemis shows up more if you have the bow
my favorite by far has to be the blade rift casts from ares, I maxed out the amount of casts to 4 it shreds enemies in an AOE
dusty moss
RNG BLESS ME
minor axle
actually now that I think about it I'm not sure if the zeus and ares cast skills stack if they do it's not very apparent
copper berry
There are boons that are contingent on others appearing
and other boons have priority
so in the case of Artemis, her multishot upgrade first requires you to get a different boon, and the other boons have more priority over it
i dont know if you are talking about the legendary boon or the epic boon
and once you get one of her boons, you also introduce all the crit modifiers into the pool, let alone the normal chance of it appearing
simple crest
if you don't find specific gods a lot, just gift them once and wear their items. They would be the first god you see after each game start
I must wear Aphro's item cuz her attack&def debuffs are crazy
copper berry
shes top tier
simple crest
and then sometimes I get these useless Daedalus upgrade on spear Special...
my update on Aphro's buff: casually hitting 1k3 on Meg
uneven shuttle
So, perhaps unsurprisingly, modifying the Bow's special so that it shoots a few hundred projectiles instead of 9 can crash the game
who'd'a'thunk
Handles real well up until the crash though, no framerate dip, even
copper berry
nice
silver sonnet
@uneven shuttle just got hydra kill with dash attacks, was super easy, almost got it first try but got it second
you dont even really need aphro, you just need the crit on dash and the power shot 250% was nice too
and then any random damage buff on auto worked
dunno why i was struggling so much with it before
uneven shuttle
Yeah, the buff doesn't matter so much because you get to stack every type of possible buff on that damage
minor axle
is crit dash from artemis?
silver sonnet
yea
minor axle
who do you get the power shot thing from
silver sonnet
that is hammer
minor axle
hmmm
silver sonnet
i think the 350% for close range would work too
uneven shuttle
Crits, Aphrodite, meta-dash upgrade, hammer gives huge damage buff, and you can even get extra damage off aphrodite, artemis or ares passives
silver sonnet
i killed hydra before it even phased
uneven shuttle
I personally like the triple shot the most. Dunno why, might be for crowd control
minor axle
maybe i'll wear the artemis trinket then
silver sonnet
with just 250%, dash, and 171 on the deflect arrow
minor axle
my personal favorite is hades cast but i have yet to beat meg so maybe ill try the artemis dash
silver sonnet
and the 200% from low hp
minor axle
im about to get third dash too
silver sonnet
if you want an easy meg win, just go captain america shield build
minor axle
man i really just don't like the shield
silver sonnet
get any buff on shield and throw it out while running around
minor axle
it's lame
uneven shuttle
Shield is probably the easiest to start with, yeah
silver sonnet
you don't have to aim
uneven shuttle
Then again, it's not as easy as it was originally
minor axle
i like the bow and the spear
silver sonnet
also did anybody else rebind special to right click and cast to q?
uneven shuttle
though I've barely used it since
simple crest
2k1 on Spear with Aphro debuff
silver sonnet
i did that super early and its been amazing
uneven shuttle
I rebound special to right click and cast to mouse4
minor axle
@simple crest do you mean on autos?
silver sonnet
yea, dunno why they have cast on right click as default
simple crest
@minor axle autos?
silver sonnet
you cast way less than you use special most of the time
uneven shuttle
I switch between KB+M and controller too. Not sure which I prefer yet.
minor axle
so you got the hammer spin and the dash skill from aphro?
simple crest
3 shot the hydra
no just the Normal Atk Weak + Weak (def debuff) from aphro
using Spear so the spin scales with atk
3-shot the hydra
tight vector
The spin is an atk? Delightful
simple crest
and you can unleash the spin with a dash
so it's both an escape mechanism and an atk that scales, an you can pre-charge while mobs are spawning
copper berry
I am a controller boy due to the bonkers aim assist, but if I were to use sword I might use KB+M
simple crest
I said 2k1 and that's without crit
copper berry
yeah its great
minor axle
artemis dash is the one that crist on autos after you dash right
copper berry
yep
minor axle
i don't see what's so amazing
copper berry
it gives you a crit and it doesnt take your attack slot
so you can get that free crit AND get a bonus damage boon on your attack
copper berry
its especially good on spear and bow
spear since the dash spin attack now always crits
simple crest
spin = normal atk
copper berry
and bow since it just has good base damage, and the bonus frmo the hammers can take it to crazy dmg
minor axle
wow yeah that's god like
do i need to upgrade the amount of time you get? im not seeing crit on the spin
is it cuz it only lasts a second after dash
minor axle
oh
copper berry
and it does the spin at the end of the dash
uneven shuttle
I wonder how the bow's going to get nerf'd into the ground this week 🤔
quaint gale
it's the dash that needs nerfing, honestly
uneven shuttle
The dash-crit thing, or the meta-upgrade to dash attacks, or both?
copper berry
well, if you do it fast enough
minor axle
honestly i want a way for people who want nerfs to get them but also for people like me to keep things not nerfed
copper berry
but from the sword and the shield, the base dmg is kinda buttcheeks
minor axle
so everyone is happy
quaint gale
yeah, but since it's amazing for both spear and bow it becomes instapick every time for those weapons
I don't know how they feel about a boon being like that
minor axle
yeah but less damage is less fun
limber cipher
dont know if this has been discussed, but artemis true shot can get real OP real quick. after a few poms, i was dealing 250 damage, times 4 with the multishot . killed the hydra like it was nothing.
*homing, btw
uneven shuttle
I've heard it's great, but every time I tried running it I had terrible RNG. I've never found multishot, ever.
limber cipher
i think you need to get homing first to get multishot
quaint gale
I feel like everyone's game has one god that it always give you multiple boons every run
minor axle
i have had ares a lot but i also had his trinket on
quaint gale
and it's random which one it is
limber cipher
speaking of randomness; i think ive ran into posiden like 4 times
i keep trying to find the man to give him my bottled orange juice. last trinket i need
copper berry
I got the trueshot cast for the first time a couple runs ago, and I had the golden braid for 60% extra cast damage. It was only 2 casts and it still exploded each hydra head
minor axle
ok so dilemma. should i go for a second artemis boon or upgrade my artemis dash
uneven shuttle
Depends on your weapon. With bow I wouldn't.
minor axle
spear
uneven shuttle
With spear, maybe
minor axle
would or wouldn't which
copper berry
Do you have only 1 attack after dash or two
uneven shuttle
yes
minor axle
i have 3
copper berry
then dont
if you spin dash you get an instant attack after it already
and itll crit
and you can probably bustout a third fast enough
go for another b oon
quaint gale
go for artemis and hope for more crit damage
minor axle
i super like the 500 percent on special vs armor
quaint gale
they're amazing, I always go for multiple if it shows up
uneven shuttle
Only problem with that is you have to invest in your special to make it good, when you could be investing in Attack or something
minor axle
ok so tab isn't showing me how many crits i have on attacks
but im pretty sure i have 3
minor axle
yeah im pretty sure i got an epic
limber cipher
oh btw; apparently there are legendaries. ive done dozens of runs and only just found one
minor axle
im not getting anything from looking at that like information wise
copper berry
yeah then you are using spear special :p
fast pawn
Okay I'm using sword, got Zeus Cast. Athena offered me the following: Rare Attack, Rare Special, and Epic Dash
Is Athena Dash good enough to take, or should I go with Attack?
copper berry
do you get hit often?
fast pawn
Thinking I should try her dash, but I've never used it
uneven shuttle
Dash is good, especially if you're doing cast build
copper berry
yeah i would try dash
fast pawn
I dunno I'm garbage, so yeah I get hit all the time.
uneven shuttle
It has a slight activation delay on the first dash, and I think slightly shorter range
but it deals damage and deflects
fast pawn
Yeah I'm worried about it being slower.
That's the only reason I haven't taken it before.
copper berry
I would take it with the sword
minor axle
100 percent crit damage to armor POGGERS
forget ares, artemis is my best friend now
wish she wasn't like one of the 5 samey hooded characters
quaint gale
soon...
minor axle
are they gonna change their designs?
quaint gale
they say all hooded characters aren't finalized
minor axle
hecken sick
uneven shuttle
Hooded peeps are placeholders
amber torrent
so I'm wondering how I can deal with shielded characters better. I always reach a room with two tough shielded enemies who just body me
any tips on that? I'm using the spear
minor axle
you can get damage VS armor
quaint gale
I assume you mean the jumping skeletons?
minor axle
artemis i think has 500 percent damage on special vs armor and she has this guarenteed crit after dash plus another boon that gives 100 percent crit damage to armor
uneven shuttle
@minor axle That 500% isn't Artemis, it's a hammer upgrade for the spear special only
copper berry
yo baconator
i was tryna cop your profile pic so i could throw down a meme
and I noticed your mutual servers
nice 😉
uneven shuttle
God boons are generic, and can apply to any weapon. Hammer upgrades are weapon-specific, you only get 1 in a run (assuming you get a hammer, which I wish was guaranteed before Meg)
copper berry
NL fan AND he likes Er Gen 
minor axle
wait
summer lotus
thots on the bow? i feel like its the weakest weapon but maybe im using it wrong
minor axle
wait you read the web novels AND watch the nlss? hello there
quaint gale
use dash attack on the bow and it becomes the best weapon
minor axle
the bow can be pretty fun you can kite and up close it's special is this fun shot gun
also dash attack yeah
summer lotus
ive only ever enjoyed using the bow once and that was with the poseidon knock back boon
dire cedar
Ya'll update the wiki. hades.fandom.com
summer lotus
whats the dash attack lol
minor axle
@copper berry yo read this novel called Worm
quaint gale
firing after dashing charges faster
silver sonnet
@summer lotus AE and I already argued about bow haha. It's good with dash attack and Artemis crib dodge or aphro special spam with double special projectiles from hammer
quaint gale
0.4 second charge
exotic hazel
I got a hilarious bow build earlier
exotic hazel
I got poseidon, hera, AND Aphrodites special boons
summer lotus
hera???
exotic hazel
as well as the double special projectile buff
silver sonnet
Give Artemis a gift to get token from her
summer lotus
does she appear later i feel so slow lol
exotic hazel
so I just sat in the corner spamming q as hard as I could lol
summer lotus
i feel like the bow could use some pierce like in bastion
silver sonnet
Yea I said the same thing
quaint gale
it would be stupid broken like the pre-nerf shield if it had innate pierce
copper berry
^
silver sonnet
It really struggles with skulls if you don't get good buffs
summer lotus
shield got nerfed?? D:
copper berry
a full charge shot 1 shots skulls
summer lotus
how broken was it earlier
copper berry
and the skull piles can be killed by dashing in and using special
quaint gale
it had innate deflect
silver sonnet
Right but a full charge spear slash kills all skulls and the burrow
Bow is lacking a bit on aoe
summer lotus
^
silver sonnet
Comparatively
summer lotus
i get why the q has so little damage bc the shotgun effect
feels rly bad tho and i cant rly explain why
maybe its also bc u cant move while charging
quaint gale
yeah, that's why you always have to dash attack
quaint gale
they can, but you gotta work for it
summer lotus
oh i JUST understood
silver sonnet
For sure, need aphro buffs and double arrows pretty much
summer lotus
the bow charges faster after u dash to synergize wth the artemis buff
silver sonnet
It always charges faster after dash
summer lotus
ik but like. For the Synergy
silver sonnet
Regardless of if you have Artemis buff
summer lotus
i havent played too much do the diff gods have Special boons for their weapons
like does artemis ever have anything cool for the bow
or athena for the shield
silver sonnet
Kind of
summer lotus
is it like inadvertent synergy or
silver sonnet
They have similar but different buffs
quaint gale
what do you mean?
summer lotus
like does artemis have anything specific to the bow that the other gods dont have
summer lotus
lame D: tho i get why
silver sonnet
Like Poseidon has attack damage with push back, rate has crit on attack, Aphrodite has attack damage with weak, ares has hit apply a damage proc on attack
quaint gale
everything weapon unique is from hammers
silver sonnet
But yea same for all weapons
summer lotus
sadface
silver sonnet
Double dash if you don't already have it is great
faint sapphire
lol yeah first buy
silver sonnet
Most of her attacks are pretty easy to dodge if you just run away constantly. With shield you can cheese it with throw because you don't have to aim. Just kite her around and throw shield and focus on dodging
faint sapphire
i feel like i dont do a lot to her
silver sonnet
Shield does like 20 base yea
faint sapphire
like im dodging and running around foreverrr
yeah closest i got was half health with artemis crit chance of like 60% on special
i think i just need to sink stuff into the backstab damage
silver sonnet
Try getting Zeus or aphro special proves
Even with 13 base on Zeus it still almost doubles shield damage
And gives some aoe
faint sapphire
alright
dire cedar
If you have athena's attack/deflect bonus, you can bull rush her charges
indigo compass
thats my shield srat 😃
silver sonnet
I think bullrush might be rough for a first meg kill
indigo compass
was how i first got her:p
fast pawn
Okay I took the shield bounces faster but only once upgrade and it's pure hot garbage imo.
indigo compass
really took me a while to get her with other weapons
silver sonnet
You can always attack projectiles regardless of if you have deflect
Which can help
Except on hydra
indigo compass
true but its just not as good once u get the armoured versions of witches that spam alot of projectiles:p
silver sonnet
What is not as good?
silver sonnet
Presumably you took a different buff
Like aphro
Which is aguably better than reflect on attack
dire cedar
What do you do about hydra projectiles?
indigo compass
idk i just love deflecting:p
quaint gale
you try to get opposite of the side they're facing
silver sonnet
Yea
quaint gale
they can't turn on a dime
silver sonnet
Hide behind the head
But
You have to make sure you don't have damage on dodge
Like Zeus or aphro dodge
Or when the head shields it will knock you back forever
And it can really screw you over
Or hide behind walls before they break
merry notch
fack 3/4ths of hydra dead and wipe
silver sonnet
But be super close to the center of the wall
indigo compass
u will get there:p
lost rose
i have a run on track to beat the hydra but i havent had a chance to heal since i came to asphodel and i only have 50 health, pray for me
it's such a waste to have so many awesome boons and NO HP
indigo compass
i pray for u:)
merry notch
/pray /praisethesun #maysolaireguideyou
void jewel
I hope we get an acoustic version of Lament of Orpheus at some point. Such a good candidate for covers
onyx badger
Does a backstab from a flying shield count as an attack or a special? As in the bonus that gives you +70% attack from the back on the mirror
fast pawn
Beat the Hydra:
The imgur compression is pretty bad but that's my build.
First time, and it was with spear.
onyx badger
What was your Spear strategy? Just dash and attack?
fast pawn
Yep. Dash and attack. Once I got to Asphodel I started having to do the Spin+Dash combo.
Didn't really use the special at all, but the hammer buff to do 500% to armor helped me clear some elites in Tartarus.
Once I got to Asphodel I had enough damage with my attack that I could just Spin+Dash and hit everything for 500-750 damage, which was enough to melt elites there.
Hydra was really rough since I didn't have a good setup at the start, so he phased multiple times. I could have maybe got him if I had more crit buffs or done correct dash-attack combos, but I think I hit with a lot of non-crit attacks.
Also did the skull earring prep before the fight to try and cheese him, but I had 80 hitpoints before that.
Not sure if it was worth, but I did it
Side note, since it's not here: I only had 2 dashes, not 3.
onyx badger
I did it with a Shield and Dash strategy. So basically the same start works, it seems
quaint gale
that's story, not a modifier
merry notch
then why do I get them multiple times?
quaint gale
ummm...early access
merry notch
kk. I just figured they could be modifiers as run modifiers aren't really uncommon in Rogue-Lites/Rogue-Likes
quaint gale
nah, nothing of the sort as of yet
merry notch
tyvm 😄 I'm gonna ask alot of stupid questions. bewaaaaaaaaaaare
hot yoke
I'll be honest, I'm not convinced that there isn't some global effect tied to them, hidden from us
But I haven't seen a pattern to it yet, so I'm just guesing.
merry notch
Right? Here's some of the patterns I've observed; Family = More Frequent Boons, Oaf Less Frequent anything good, Death = More armored enemies
hot yoke
It doesn't seem to be 'oaf makes you hit harder', so..yeah it could be that. I'll see if I notice anything next loop. But when it's random weighting on a random base core, it's going to be very hard to sort perception bias from actual effect
dreamy jackal
How exactly does avenging gain work?
hot yoke
Avenging gain?