I think athena is worst but prove me wrong
#h1-builds-and-combat
glad bolt
hard holly
Nah
onyx badger
Ares used to give Curse-bonus when throwing the shield... now it seems it's no more. The void-rift wave is decently helpful, though. I use it to get behind the blue shield generator enemies on that small raft right before the Hydra
deep vault
I barely get Zeus
hard holly
The problem with Ares is
deep vault
I had him the one time he is scripted to appear
hard holly
His damage doesnt scale
And if you attack multiple times, you only get the curse damage once
Athena is actually really good, as she gives you the regular scaling damage, and deflect is insanely useful
Especially if you can time it well
Zeus is similiar to Ares, but if you can attack fast, Zeus actually becomes really powerful
Especially with Blade Flurry sword
Also his dash is insanely good
pastel jolt
@onyx badger - yes, the skull means the next room will be tougher than normal
glad bolt
I know it doesn't stack but you do the same damage with curse+1hit as hitting 2-3 times normally, shield special is only good for weak enemies and bosses are really hard with that build
hard holly
I wouldnt choose boons for Shield Special anyway tbh
random cliff
Aphrodite and Zues dashes are best if you're not doing any weapon damage. Artemis is cool for blade flurry sword or spear.
onyx badger
Shield Special is the best, why not?
turbid needle
its not great in the second area
hard holly
Its not good in Asphodel
turbid needle
takes ages to come back
turbid needle
yeah the lava destroys the enemies if you can punt them out into it
random cliff
True. Increased range on spear with Possy mian attack trait? everything is in lava.
onyx badger
There are so many enemies with long-range attacks in Asphodel, though. The witches camping in the lava, for one, the Grenadiers too.
hard holly
Sure, but thats what the charge is for
random cliff
Remember that charge attack still count as main attack. it apply to shield aswell
turbid needle
thats when you have zeus or Aph's dash and just zoom past them
with a few upgrades even the highest tier of witches melt to it
onyx badger
You'll have to post a video then... Can't envision how it's done. Because in my experience, anytime you get close to an enemy, ie to do a melee attack, it's bad news. You usually get hit. And because you rarely can heal, I prefer to just do hit and run from long distance, keeping my health at max.
Basically, how you defeat Meg with a throwing shield
turbid needle
timing / positioning / knockback / using the shield so you block right after an attack into charge etc etc
silk brook
Any tips to dodge Megaera's circle shaped attacks ?
pastel jolt
dash whichever direction gets you out of the circles soonest, try to avoid getting into a corner or into the bottom where it's hard to see
some of the circle patterns are safer if you don't move
glad bolt
is there a wiki yet or something for the list of boons?
random cliff
Spear have very neat interaction with dash - If You charge attack and dash on realse You'll deal damage at the dash destination.
pastel jolt
@glad bolt there is a wiki but it's only a baby
glad bolt
you can hold shield to deflect or keep throwing special to destroy her projectiles
pastel jolt
shield doesn't deflect by default any more, it defends but you won't ping projectiles back at anyone unless it's through a boon
limpid ember
@pastel jolt any chance you got a link to it?
pastel jolt
limpid ember
Thanks!
pastel jolt
i'm currently working on expanding the mirror of night page, but it's tough bc i don't have everything unlocked yet
onyx badger
@silk brook Time the dash on the later side... if you dash too early, you'll often survive the 1st set of circles, but the 2nd set will get you.
random cliff
Also also You - with double/tripple dash You do not take damage if You're fast eanough to have last dash outside of lava.
silk brook
Yea I guess I dash too early
limpid ember
I'm not really that good at making pages from scratch, but I can do grunt work of adding info to stuff already templated
silk brook
Also does Ares' boon that changes your dash in a attack negates the double/triple dash skill ?
*an
silk brook
Alright thanks for all the tips !
hard holly
In terms of dash upgrades, the best are Aphrodite, Artemis, Zeus and Athena
limpid ember
I think it is Artemis > Aphrodite > Zeus > Athena > Poseidon > Ares
Artemis giving 2x damage is insane
onyx badger
BTW, anyone know what does Weak-buff specifically do? I presumed it meant more susceptible to damage, but does it also mean their attacks are weaker?
limpid ember
It halves the enemies damage
There is another Aphrodite boon that causes you to do more damage to weak enemies
onyx badger
Isn't Aphrodite's his half-sister?
limpid ember
The MC?
onyx badger
Yes
limpid ember
Cousin, I think
onyx badger
So she gives her cousin a pin-up poster of herself to hang in his room?
turbid needle
very normal back in the greek myths lol
limpid ember
The gods (and ancient greeks) were not really as caring about that as us
autumn tapir
wait hold on how do you get an aphrodite poster, is it by gifting her a lot?
I need all the decorations
bitter peak
are there hidden weapons??
onyx badger
And why is a sandwich displayed as a food/health item to purchase when sandwiches weren't invented until 1792?
primal kayak
So you're saying people never stacked other foods into bread before then?
autumn tapir
I'm more disturbed by the mcdonald's fries
proud storm
anyone else giving the friendship bottles to meg any chance they get
primal kayak
For sure
deep vault
I wonder if this actually plays in like
the olde greek times
or if the fries are just a goof
turbid needle
i think it be a goof, but who can say lol
deep vault
Imagine getting above ground in the full release and it's just cars and skyscrapers
onyx badger
Whyd oes Meg only have 1 wing?
turbid needle
its been a good while
deep vault
And then he's like
"Wow, Father really never told me anything"
turbid needle
all the old heros are all dead so who knows what timeframe we're in
proud storm
i hope you get to befriend the asphodel boss like you do with the other one
go big or go home
turbid needle
im befriending meg if it kills me tbh
proud storm
same
deep vault
She'll just execute you on the spot once you give her the last flask
lmao
turbid needle
lol
proud storm
i like to see hades as some sort of weird sitcom
turbid needle
it definitely has that sort of large cast of characters vibe
all living together in a big house and all haha
sort of a tragic comedy sitcom scenario 😛
deep vault
stepping out of the pool Hi Dad
studio laughter Ah, it's you again studio laughter
that's how every episode starts
proud storm
and ends
grand patrol
instead of laugh track its the imp cheers from pyre
proud storm
(zagreus death animation) zag: oh fiddlesticks!!!!!!! canned laughter and applause
grand patrol
HFHFHJ
proud storm
tbh i wasnt very hot on the edgy theme because im not a big fan of it but after discovering all the characters i changed my mind
grand patrol
every single time i can walk right past hades to say hi to the dog i get such a rush of petty joy and that pettiness is the heart of the game
proud storm
hypnos giving you the worst kind of advices and mocking you
grand patrol
this is a I WANNA MOVE OUT DAAAAAD in a mythy skin
proud storm
YEAH
proud storm
"MAYBE IF YOU DODGED THOSE BOMBS ITD BE GREAT"
also when you beat meg a couple times hades is like
scarlet kernel
I cannot get past Meg 
deep vault
He is your supportive but very unhelpful uncle
grand patrol
i havent even gotten up to her yet aaaa
proud storm
literally zag and meg's interactions are golden
deep vault
I got up to her twice now but couldn't beat her yet
I wonder if you'll get the option to skip underworld parts at some point
proud storm
i only got to the 27th chamber once and it was painful even with epic boons
scarlet kernel
I'm having so much fun but I'm starting to get tilted because I get so close to killing her then a million witches lob purple balls all over the map and i get chipped to death
proud storm
it's a lot easier once you unlock the ability to dash 3 times in a row
shadow patrol
Agreed, I rushed to get 3 dashes asap
scarlet kernel
How do you see which chamber you've reached?
proud storm
in the weapons room go to the left
scarlet kernel
Ah thanks
proud storm
to beat meg i use the shield and dash behind her as she prepares to dash
tame depot
I absolutely love how after every death everyone is just having an even harder laugh than last time
shadow patrol
Shield is my fav as well, but i hear the bow is super strong. I dunno.
turbid needle
yeah ive used bow and shield to beat her
scarlet kernel
I both love and hate hypno so frikken much haha
proud storm
idk if anyone knows about danganronpa but hypnos has some strong komaeda vibes
turbid needle
if you have a lot of dashes you can get in hits on her after every one of those circle aeo attacks she does as she's preparing to do the next
and keeping your distance with the sniper shot always works well
i wish there was a boon that made the sword special attack way faster
its so slow and my butt always gets kicked if I dont kill literally everything I hit with it
scarlet kernel
Yeah the sword special animation takes so long to recover from
proud storm
i like the boon that gives the bow's special attack more shots
turbid needle
yeah same
i like that, the triple shot, and the close/far damage ones
all really cool
scarlet kernel
Oh is it good? I found the bow special a little weak but I'll give it a go once I get that boon
turbid needle
and if you pair them with Orpheus' gift it can work really well
proud storm
i haven't met orpheus yet lmao
turbid needle
aka HEAPS of damage at a distance or good buff to damage poink blank and at rnage
proud storm
bow special is excellent
when you combine it with deflect or poseidon's buff
it helps a lot when you're in a pinch
lost rose
machine-gun bow + ares curse (chef kiss hand)
proud storm
that too
lost rose
or artemis crit chance
if you're hitting like 3 shots a second and all of them crit that's a Lot
scarlet kernel
Sweet, I'll give that a try. I love the build diversity you can have in this game. While some stand out there are a lot of viable options
turbid needle
100% shots fired increase plus posidon or athena is great
just knock everything back
or deflect ALL
proud storm
there's only 4 weapons and already so many builds possible
scarlet kernel
Zeus's lightning dash is also fun
turbid needle
yeah goddamn
i love how they've brought back that few things combining in millions of ways gameplay from transistor
loved that so much
cant wait for more weapons + more gods
scarlet kernel
Yeah same!
proud storm
i got my ass kicked by asphodel's hydra which is only the 2nd zone
turbid needle
would love to see typhon or a hecatoncheires at some point
proud storm
i fear what comes after that
turbid needle
not sure how they'd depict them though lol
turbid needle
would also looove for the titans to be brought into it
maybe you could go below Tartarus and free them or something or take an alternate path or some such
cronos could have time related boons with speed up/slow down on you/enemies
and gaia with earth based boons could be sweet too, though she's not really a titan
versed jolt
any recommendation to what god i should choose if im using hte spear
turbid needle
but sort of related mythologically
pastel jolt
the chain-zappy from zeus is pretty sweet
if you're using it to stunlock a lot of enemies i wouldn't go for poseidon's knockback-on-attack boon bc you end up chasing the enemy down
proud storm
damn thunder dash is good
pastel jolt
yeah, seems like it
i had level 3 poseidon knockback on the shield at one point and i was knocking enemies clear across meg's room, it was insane
lost rose
Chain lightning on a standard attack is fantastic for crowd control
deep vault
so what weapons is knock back good on? I'd guess not on Arrow and Spear, not sure about sword
pastel jolt
it's great on shield, because it already has knockback
deep vault
shield is great for wallslams galore
scarlet kernel
Damn, just got to see the power of a properly spec'd bow special
I wish I got a crit boon because I'm pretty sure I could've had Meg. I had Poseidon's boon and +100% shots and it was nutty
proud storm
i just beat her with the bow
scarlet kernel
Noice
proud storm
i had zeus' epic attack damage boon/thunder dash/that one boon that gives your special more shots with meg's keepsake
still not convinced it's super handy against her cuz i almost died
scarlet kernel
What keepsake do you usually run? I've been using the collar mostly because I get hit a lot
proud storm
meg's keepsake is cool because it doubles your damage when you fall under 15% health
or 20%
not sure
pastel jolt
20%
proud storm
i havent unlocked them all yet but i like the one that keeps a maximum of 200 coins when you die too
pulsar loom
Poseidon's boon is great for non-bosses, but Meg is completely immune to the knockback
proud storm
im gonna see about the hydra
got poseidon's boon on the special attack
yep it's useless as well
cant even destroy his homing bullets
queen wraith
is it just me or is the shield still really really good?
it kinda feels like the strongest weapon by far
pulsar loom
I still like it, the bow feels too slow, and spear lacks impact. Sword is sword.
But on the second level, shield throw almost always gets lost on some levels, leaving you running around for 5-10 seconds waiting for it to pop back to your character
proud storm
throwing your shield in asphodel is a death wish
pulsar loom
I get to Hydra doing it, but there is a lot of dead time (no pun intended). Hydra seems unbeatable because anything to the bottom of the screen gets lost
proud storm
while the bow sucks against meg and the shield destroys her, the bow is good against hydra and the shield sucks against it
wheat perch
does holding the shield still block properly? i'm able to block sometimes, but things i think i should block don't get blocked sometimes, not sure if it's a time thing or if the area is different from before the nerf
queen wraith
how does the block even work?
I've noticed the shield getting lost in asphodel yeah
pulsar loom
Press and hold attack to charge
proud storm
bull charge without charging
queen wraith
it thoroughly annihilates meg though
blazing sigil
you can block meg's charge?
queen wraith
I mean, I know how to use the buttons. I just don't know what 'block' and 'deflect' mean exactly
pulsar loom
Almost always
proud storm
like i used to bull charge through her and sometimes it'd block her attack and sometimes not
queen wraith
are you just invulnerable from that side while charging?
proud storm
block is just blocking the attack
pulsar loom
Charging up the bull charge, but not actually doing the bull charge is blocking (preventing damage)
proud storm
deflecting is blocking and deflecting the dmg to her
queen wraith
does it only block one attack or as many as you want?
pulsar loom
Seems to be as many
queen wraith
could you sit in a corner charging up and be invulnerable?
pulsar loom
Unless someone gets behind you
queen wraith
yeesh
pulsar loom
Or does something unblockable
proud storm
some of meg's attacks cant be deflected
queen wraith
the shield seems really really good
proud storm
and eventually the other enemies walk up to you
wheat perch
i kinda noticed with enemies that charge the blocking seems to be off sometimes, maybe cause of clipping through, was fine with the deflect but now that it's just blocking i noticed some things like that
proud storm
hydra is hell because at one point in the fight it surrounds the arena with all its heads that then move around to attack you
and when you dash sometimes you get stuck under one of the heads
queen wraith
I haven't gotten to the hydra :o
proud storm
and you take it hard
queen wraith
is the sword any good?
proud storm
i havent used it since i unlocked the other weapons
rigid sphinx
bow is best wepon in terms of dps
pulsar loom
I tried the sword out for a run after getting the other weapons, it clearly isn't intended to be used after you unlock anything else
fast pawn
I dunno I kinda think the sword is fun.
rigid sphinx
if u get the dash damage unlock maxed and with daedalus hammer to get the second dash hit
its really good
fast pawn
Like with Poseidon's boon for knock back getting wall slams is insane for rooms.
pulsar loom
That's true for Poseidon and just about any weapon, the problem becomes meg and hydra
rigid sphinx
thought i dont exactly know how damage is calculated in this game
proud storm
meg isnt really a huge deal because poseidon's boons can still push around the enemies she spawns
so she's not always in the crowd
but against hydra it's completely useless
rigid sphinx
cuz bow power shot does either 1/3d damage or adds ten
then the dash 100% and crit which is another 100%
with artemis dash
but its 110 damage?
idk does power shot damage crit or is that boosted by the dash plus damage cuz tis 70 after dash
without crit
tight sequoia
Did they removed the healing in the hydra boss battle ? I see "Reduced healing in the Asphodel guardian battle " in the patch notes but i couldn't find any heal at all when i got to it just 2 minutes ago
solar galleon
Nah, grabbed a shwarma during Hydra fight like 1 hour ago
analog wing
I think power shot definitely gets the crit applied separately. It's the only way I could make the math work out. Power shot also seems to get the bonus from backstab, but not from dash, since backstabs w/ power shot come out to 80, while dash attack is 70.
hidden patrol
anyone else feels cast is very stong if you multiple projectiles and a damage up blessing? i came into hydra room and without the invicibility thing it would have been over is 6 sec.
you can easily get to 1k damage per right mouse click
solar galleon
Yep, I guess most roguelites suffer this problem with damage stacking
Where you either use optimised builds to murder everything or struggle starting at midgame
hidden patrol
i mean i dont really mind it. it's fun. op combos are always fun if you manage to get them
you just right click and everything dies :partyblob:
why doesnt the blob work 😦
proud storm
is cast actually that good
i'm saying because the base one sucks so i havent actually bothered using it more
hidden patrol
if you get the multiple projectiles from artemis and upgrade it
exotic hazel
Cast can get pretty decent if you go ALL in
hidden patrol
i got an epic homing blessing and the miltiple projectiles for 4 projectiles with 250 damage each
and then the one witch makes them fall out of enemies after 1.6 sec or so
solar galleon
Yeah, that's basically the deal
If you get dropping bloodstones from enemies you can wreck bosses easily
If you don't you are fine with cannon fodder but run around uncomfortably on hydra
proud storm
still havent beaten hydra yet so i'll try that
hidden patrol
i bet if you get enough damage 4 shots are enough 😄
i started with the artemis trinket. you need her stuff the most
solar galleon
Not on hydra though
exotic hazel
The issue ive had is that on runs where i go all in on them, i just dont get enough boon rooms to keep them valid into asphodel
proud storm
i dont have artemis' keepsake 😐
proud storm
also how does skelly's keepsake work with death defiance
solar galleon
I think gives you another chance but not sure in what order
tight sequoia
Is there "double crits", like i have the 100% crit after a dash from Artemis and i have the choice to get +50% crits on my main attack (bow)
solar galleon
Like I remember when I had skelly, two second chances from mirror and a bottle of Charon ale
Nope, there are not @tight sequoia I think, but there is crit damage upgrade
proud storm
though rn i continue to use meg's keepsake
tight sequoia
ok thx for the answer
solar galleon
In my optimised run I had +% damage on attack, 100% crit from dashing and +% crit damage
And +200% aoe on spear rightclick
Still took like maybe twelve hits on hydra
proud storm
i almost never meet artemis so im just sitting there
it's either poseidon or ares most of the time
silk brook
Hey I'm wondering, does armored enemys can be stunned ?
hidden patrol
is there any reward for giving people more ambrosia bottles besides the first one?
solar galleon
Also some attacks can push them around
Like shield charge I think
Gave like 4 bottles of sunshine to Dusa, got invitation for drinks
Possibly worth
proud storm
i wanted to give a 4th bottle to meg but she just didnt show up
silk brook
Alright
also I'm wondering, how to use the spear properly ? I'm used to the shield so I'm kind of bad whenever I try to use the spear but I'd like to be somewhat viable with it as well.
solar galleon
Charge rightclick@press space to dash
I think leftclick attacs MIGHT work IF you get early zeus upgrade for aoe jumping balls and level it up like three times but it will ruin you on bosses
solar galleon
While stacked damage crit crit damage aoe rightlick deals tons
rustic field
i didnt even know there were legendary effects until now
solar galleon
Ehh
This sounds pretty bad for a legendary effect somehow
Flavor-wise fine, but not viable
rustic field
im playing attack spear with charm on it
silk brook
wow didn't know either
rustic field
if it triggers of every attack it can work
silk brook
and thanks for the tips @solar galleon
solar galleon
Sure thing, mate
glad bolt
ah got hydra down to his last quarter hp, I'm done 😦
glad bolt
had perfect build and got almost all upgrades
pearl willow
i've found the rooms that require life to enter are not worth entering thus far - seems like i'm spending more life than i usually lose in a room for the same rewards. anything i'm missing about them?
glad bolt
you get back 6hp tho
solar galleon
3, because it sends you forward anyways
glad bolt
unless you had full hp yes
solar galleon
As in compared to normal room movement
pastel jolt
if you have the health-per-room upgrade maxed, then the cost is technically reduced by 6
solar galleon
By the way, does the exit blood gate send you one room forward or two? As in, for example you would be in room 4 with blood gate, normally you would move like 4->5. WIth blood gate, do you move 4->Chaos->5 or 4->Chaos->6? Because one time I used bloodgate in a room which had paths to gold and darkness but after leaving Chaos I got into the room with Athena boon.
novel perch
does the sword have any merit to it?
autumn tapir
nope
solar galleon
You T-pose
proud storm
found a legendary boon
novel perch
what should i invest my darkness to?
autumn tapir
the healing one, death defying, extra dashes
wispy mirage
i found the sword to be playbale if you go full on the speical or get the dedalus upgrade which makesi the normal attack a single cleave still the worst by far
sage ridge
quick temper as wel
I went hard on sword using Athena's deflect dash and deflect attack
basically makes you untouchable if you bashes your dash and attach quick enough
wispy mirage
yeah sword is usable there just isn't alot of reason to use it over spear if it dosen#t give bonus darkness
novel perch
https://gyazo.com/5d8843bfd30eb5f54dbe0d76e1dd0854
would something like this work?
sage ridge
max dash will be my build, always nice to have a little bit of that mobility
wispy mirage
i find myselfe gravitationg towards spear over shield after the nerf, with an normal attack based build, anyone else think spear might be on the same level now?
i would upgrade chthonic vit first and dash and dash dmg after that then i would go for shadow pressence and after that death defieance
novel perch
wispy mirage
seems good to me
silk brook
I'm wondering, what is better against armored enemys between "Armor slayer" (+300% dmg to armors) and "world splitter" (single chop that deals 400% dmg) ?
wispy mirage
depending on if you go close to the enemy you might want shadow presence
tight sequoia
when you get in the room between Tartarus and Asphodel (after beating Meg), does keeping a "boon keepsakes" usefull or it's better to take another one ?
wispy mirage
most of the time igo with the cerberus bonus hp or if i play bow the distant memory and stick to it
delicate crane
Alright I've tried googling it but couldn't find anything. Would anyone be willing to explain how avenging gain works?
tight sequoia
Isn't it like the Bloodborne mechanic ?
delicate crane
I never played bloodborne sadly
tight sequoia
Like when you get hit, you can hit the ennemy back to get a bit of the health you lost ?
delicate crane
I"ll look that up though
wispy mirage
avenging gain gives you back a percentage of the hp you lost by the enmys last attack if you hit him instatly back for exmaple you tkae 10 dmg got 20% avenging gain and hit him fast enough so you get 2 hp vack
delicate crane
I'm trying to figure out if it's like a certain window you have to do it
wispy mirage
yap it is
rustic field
with the sword theres the daedalus improvement that gives -50% max HP but heals you on every thrust
delicate crane
okay cool Thank you, there should be flashing on the enemy for the ability so youi know\
rustic field
but it seems to be only 1 hp every time?
even tho it says it should heall for 10%
anyone aelse have that prob?
delicate crane
@rustic field Yeah same
wispy mirage
was the sword upgrade missing hp or max hp i don't quit remeber?
delicate crane
Max
tight sequoia
Max, but it seems kinda bugged since i took 2 +25max hp and got a total of 44 max hp instead of 50 🤔
wispy mirage
if i recallö correctly it did the same thing for me, I had 37 hp after the upgrade and only healed 2, if it is supposed to be 10% that wouldn't be enough
we should just not take it at the time if it's bugged a faster kill time i more usefull anyway
tight sequoia
And the heal is only on the last attak of the combo, so it can be tricky with armored ennemy
wispy mirage
yap that is a problem, does anyone know if one can get the hammer upgrade twice. If so how does the heal work with the upgrade that changes swords attack animations
rustic field
i mean the main problem is that youre trying to play with the sword
wispy mirage
true
rustic field
we shouldnt be foing that in the first place
wispy mirage
funnyly enough i manged to beat hydra with sword, spear and shield but not with bow
solar galleon
Beating hydra with sword, huh
rustic field
still havent beat the hydra
wispy mirage
i got the op deadalus hammer upgrade which changes normla attacks into cleaves but gives you 400% dmg
rustic field
got to her with bow shield and spear but always fail cause i cant see where i am
wispy mirage
yeah the hydra fight is a bit visauly cluttered defently killed more then one run of mine when she pushes you into lava and i don't know where i am
kepp pushing for it tho, the ingame explanation why you can#t finsih that is given by hades is super funny
rustic field
yeah i dont even realizes that she spawned skeletons untill its too late
delicate crane
Anyone else annoyed by the invincibility frames on the skeletons?
rustic field
god i hate the green room
delicate crane
What is the point of the I-frames on them
rustic field
ive gotten better at fighting them but they are still the worst enemies in tartarus
including meg
when exactly do they have the i frames?
it just seems random to me
wispy mirage
in tartarus either the fat guys or the numskull piles are the worst
wheat perch
pretty sure it's i frames when jumping
wispy mirage
the i frames are when they jump
delicate crane
They have I frames when jumping from what I could tell
wheat perch
i think the regular skeletons have it too, when they jump, or maybe i'm remembering wrong
rustic field
eh im okay with the numskill piles
theyre only pproblem with the bow really
when you have no AOE
also dif topic
anyone else just forget about the cast if you dont get any upgrades for it?
wispy mirage
yeah am currently trying to make the bow work for me as it is a special based build seems the most fun
silk brook
Is it possible to deflect bombs from the skeleton bombers ?
wispy mirage
for safty reasons i would still dash if they drop 3
mostly kepp dashing or focus on deflecting bombs
delicate crane
@silk brook Dodge their attack and then right after get a few hits of your own in then disengage don't get greedy
silk brook
Yup that's my actual strategy, but will think about deflecting their bombs next time !
wispy mirage
they do 100 if i recall corectly
neon arrow
I find deflecting bombs tricky. Could be their travel path not being a straight line, but usually you’ll miss if you see it’s about to land near you. I get the most successful deflects when I attack right after they’re thrown
tight sequoia
Just beat Hydra for the first time (with a really good bow build) 
wispy mirage
honestly all dashes that change the dash property have been quit awful in my expirience
tight sequoia
Artemis dash is just so good, i try to avoid every other dashes
delicate crane
Artemis dash with the perk that increases damage after dash. oh boy
rustic field
eh i like athena dash
even if it makes it slower it doesnt really matter cause you just deflect everything anyway
wispy mirage
too slow
tight sequoia
And the Artemis buff that increase critical damage 
wispy mirage
big downside to some like poseidon is not being able to go thru walls anymore
silver matrix
oh wow, I thought pre-nerf shield was strong, but then I had taken aphrodite's trinket and fourshot both meg and hydra with the bow. I feel like I've seen nothing yet. Was clearing the lava room survival events clear, hunting for enemies to oneshot .-.
rustic field
which one?
pearl willow
man im spoiled by the shield, hydra needles are a pain in the ass. won with spear on my last chance with only a few HP.
wispy mirage
i once had the crit dash with 300% dmg on shield then you just dash backstab and instakill miost things
try spear urrently my favourite did hydra with it 3 times you just need to take the normal range up and go normal attack based
fallen lintel
athena dash > zeus dash
wispy mirage
hwo dare you
delicate crane
Yeah shield is a lot fun, Went with a shield and aphrodite buff for special so just threw it away with extra shield damage per bounce and artimes casts. Felt like a badass battle mage
fallen lintel
and fury blade is surprisingly decent on its own
wispy mirage
deus dash is the best thing in sword runs because you dont have to use it anymore
fallen lintel
i only do sword runs
rustic field
how
wispy mirage
you sick person
fallen lintel
delicate crane
All the fun in experimenting though! and that sweet bonus to dark
rustic field
ok does anyone else keep dashing through fat guys to dodge
i know it doesnt work but i cant stop diong it
wispy mirage
yeah most of the time i got with whatever gives bonus dark
fallen lintel
im getting athena trinket next chance i get, deflect is too good
need all the defense you can get when you're using sword
white shell
could someone explain how counter-attacking works?
gloomy panther
So can confirm passion dash is busted. It was the only boon I got, just kept opting to upgrade it until it reached 78 damage and everything melted. Also most hits registered as backstabs, so it was really 6x hits of 156 per volley.
novel perch
is there a point to gifting the same people multiple times?
pastel jolt
dialogue
novel perch
and are all the keep sakes given by the gods the same "this persons boon is the next"
wispy mirage
yap
if you don't fish for a specific god the only vaible keepsakes are 25 bonus hp and 1205 ranged dmg
merry halo
So, I just had my best run yet. I usually use Aegis with 500% deflect and always skip Aphrodite or frisbee upgrade. But on a run I thought will be bad and boring, I only focus on frisbee upgrade and Aphrodite Dash. Man, it was madness to the point Windows just froze (thankfully I can continue on the latest area).
Also managed to break my new record, 1200 damage and 175 HP
turbid needle
Question to other more experienced players : is cast any useful ?
merry halo
too bothersome to pick and cast to me
wispy mirage
yap passion dash and zeus dash are the better dash upgrades still not close to artemis but good
turbid needle
Zeus dash damn
wispy mirage
cast can be usfull ecspecially if you go the aris rout where the dmg , range and duration goes up and it sucks enemys in
rustic field
zeus cast can also be amating
turbid needle
You need to build around then ?
wispy mirage
most of the time i go a cast build iof i either play sword or the other options are crap but it is totaly vaible
rustic field
makes it like a shield boomerang
wispy mirage
you can also just pick up the athena cast and be done but then why not improve normal attack or speical instead, most of the time thats the better option
as a rule of thumb stay away from upgrades that change the dash property and if you want to build a cast buid just go aris
turbid needle
Ty for the advice
pearl willow
if i hadn't just done it i'd never have believed how well this worked. epic level 3 aphrodite dash + enemies take more damage while weakened. i also had ares vengeance + zeus vengeance + ares curse but generally they weren't that important. dash murdered everything, it backstabs constantly.
novel perch
Wooo! i beat meg
neon arrow
Grats
lime elbow
cast seems kinda useless before any gifts from the olympian gods
but the AOE casts are super helpful when you're swarmed with skulls
mystic patio
silk brook
Artemis' Hunter Dash with charged spear attacks is insane wow
proud storm
found one of ares' legendary boons https://i.imgur.com/UGEKI5g.jpg
simple folio
wait what?? there are legendary boons?
proud storm
ye
simple folio
damn thats cool
fallen lintel
you can manage a pretty quick kill on meg with hunter dash and crit damage upgrades, even with sword
only lost 80 health
lot of just attacking
sword runs seem to always revolve around the dash upgrades
not sure i'd recommend doing a sword run without one
also had world splitter
advice from a sword main
trail orbit
Ya, found one of Artemis' legendary boons, gave an extra seeking projectile on hit
pretty decent
Also, try out the Artemis cast + multishot combo
wrecked asphodel by instakilling the heads with about 200 times 3 damage per cast
Would just say that Artemis has the best boons all around
I have a question about those Chaos portals: do you lose the next room's rewards if you jump into them, or is the reward just rerolled?
neon arrow
I like Aphrodite boons. The weak takes more damage stacks with everything
And it totally has nothing to do with the portrait
plush garden
yeah any Aphrodite is pretty good. Unlike poor Ares.
proud storm
theyre good in their own way
simple crest
Aphrodites's defensive decrease on normal attack + Artemis's crit dash is crazy
autumn tapir
I've found Athena to be the most lacking, making things slow is more to your detriment than benefit
rough field
So... ever since they fixed the shield so it wasn't OP I can't seem to get past Meg anymore lol
First of all, is the bow even playable?
queen wraith
isn't the shield still OP?
rough field
Every time I try playing the bow I end up dying to a room full of numbskulls
queen wraith
I beat meg so hard with the post-nerf shield she didn't even get to her ground-aoe stage
I just killed her straight through it
rough field
Like when there's 4 numbskull generators in a room and nothing else
If you don't have the Daedalus hammer upgrade that makes the bow shot pierce it's brutal
proud storm
it seems meg's attack pattern changes every run
like one run she'll do the aoe attack first
another run she'll do the bullets one
proud storm
eventually she uses all the attacks but not in the same order
queen wraith
the shield is just so bouncy
just throw it out into the crowd and keep running and it solves all your problems
quiet dust
There are different cycles to the fight, and each cycle she gets a random ability from the pool to use
So each run it's different what order she gets them to use
If my understanding of how it works is correct
rigid sphinx
I dont know where tf i am during hydra fight
lime elbow
ah fudge
so i have to defeat all the big bosses multiple times???
i've never gotten this far in a roguelike before lol.. not usually my type of game
quiet dust
It's kinda their bread and butter, continual progression by building up skill, facilitated by luck and ability to adapt to different situations, which includes the same major sets of fights
queen wraith
test
huh. did one of my messages disappear?
ohhh.
:P
there's a censor
okay
as I was saying: it is pretty funny getting to fight meg on the battlefield over and over again and then trade BM back at the bar at home
autumn tapir
I don't know how people say the bow is the best weapon, it's so terrible
quiet dust
point blank scatter shot + upgrades = big oomph
hushed ledge
It's not that
Bow can be built to super high damage
You need to dash then charge though
plush garden
my most successful runs were with either shield or spear.
hollow bough
honestly I think the sword is probably the worst weapon
hushed ledge
It is
copper berry
It is indeed
plush garden
Maybe if the nova didn't root you so badly it'd be ok
copper berry
Even in my runs with ALL the upgrades, I have a lot of trouble making it work
Like from mirror, that is
hollow bough
Yeah, like spear spin attack is just better nova
plush garden
not to mention that the spear has a ranged attack that the sword doesn't
fallen lintel
flurry + deflect does not count as a carry
cyan pollen
what dose the owl pendant do ?
silk brook
I'm wondering does Avenging Gain stacks/works with Heaven Revenge ?
silk brook
So heaven revenge is concidered as a counter-attack right ?
celest sky
Aegis with Poseidon primary and Aphrodite special is -insane-
enemies deal 50% damage and you get a lot of wall damage
hushed ledge
Weak is so strong tbh
rapid peak
Weak is amazing
silk brook
When you upgrade Hunter Dash it says it increases "max crits per dash" but I don't see any difference and there doesn't seem to be any max crits per dash anyway ? what does it changes ?
rapid peak
Just killed the hydra without him spawning any heads because it had "Deals extra damage to tagets with weak"
trail orbit
You have a guaranteed crit after dashing
hushed ledge
Basically, each hunter dash gives a buff that lasts either the time runs out or you've done that many crits
silk brook
Oh so it's crits per attack after a dash ?
trail orbit
ye
silk brook
aight i got it
silk brook
yup
trail orbit
So if you do a sword combo with lvl 1 dash only the first hit crits
fast pawn
Point blank shot on bow is busted as hell WTF
orchid pelican
I feel like the bow is a lot less versatile compared to spear and shield, and the damage output in general not superior (though it single target damage can be quite high when no enemy cares to hit you)
hushed ledge
Bow can have busted single target
fast pawn
I killed the jumping skeleton bombers in 4 shots with bow and point blank shot.
trail orbit
Say, how do you even deal with hydra head stage 3 if can't instakill the heads?
like, you can't really hide from the volley, since the heads will just knock you away from the wall
blazing sigil
dash like crazy till you kill em
misty sentinel
What do you guys think about the dashes?
I never take the ares or poseidon ones, useless imo
trail orbit
surges are just bad
athena's is fun against bombers
artemis' is probably the best, depending on your weapon
fast pawn
Ares and Poseidon I've found are pretty bad. I've had bad luck with Zues' as well. Aphrodite's is insane, and I've heard that Artemis' is really good.
misty sentinel
I think the surges would be better if they were shorter duration
The invulnerability doesnt last as long as the dash
blazing sigil
surges always lead to a wipe for me
misty sentinel
so you end up taking dmg all the time
trail orbit
the biggest problem with the surge is that if you miss the chain dash you stand still forever
misty sentinel
If you do an attack immediately you recover quicker
makes it a bit better but still clunky
hollow bough
the pause after dashing is just a bit clunky in general
trail orbit
ye, but it's still not enough to escape some of the worst situations
trail orbit
Standing still like you're trying to pull the sword out of the stone 😛
grand patrol
its nice when you sync it up with your ememies attacking and get out of tposing JUST in time
makes for a rhythm
copper berry
I heard people talkin smack about the bow just now 👀
cyan pollen
can you find anything in the brown vases without the 1% hp boon ?
solar galleon
I do
copper berry
Yes, gold occasionally
solar galleon
Yep, gold
copper berry
For the regular vases its a small chance to get 1 gold
cyan pollen
gold is in the golden ones
copper berry
For golden vases its guaranteed 10 g
copper berry
pretty sure without the duster
trail orbit
does the duster spawn health pots (like the ones in the hydra room) or do you have to go around and smash all the pots?
cyan pollen
smash
trail orbit
ah geez, that seems time-consuming
cyan pollen
they are groupoed so you can pop them1 shopt with most aoue
hollow jewel
which boons synergize well with the bow? artemis dash is really good but what else
cyan pollen
but 1% is too low imo ..
copper night
Artemis dash with the bow feels awfully uncomfortable imo
turbid needle
Atermis dash doesnt work with the bow, except you have the rapidfire deadalus
but ares dot on the normal shot is pretty nice
and for the later levels athena on the special to deflect all the projectiles
vague hearth
No, you can still get a powershot with the dash crit
trail orbit
ain't the shop kinda bad compared to the other rewards?
I mean, it costs a lot (obols which can go to healing) and you rarely can get more than one powerup outta it
hard holly
Artemis Dash is key
And beyond that, Aphrodite
Poseidon and Athena are also fine, but rule of thumb, if you can get Aphrodites boost on your regular shot and extra damage on weak, youre set
On all weapons except maybe sword
autumn tapir
aphrodite dash deletes enemies
turbid needle
i tend to take aphrodite dash
with avanging gain
trail orbit
athena dash is really fun tho
counter all the bombs
and it helps when you're panicdashing
turbid needle
i personally dont like poseidon all that much, except on the special (but i like athena more because of the projectile deflect)
tame depot
Is it me or Does aphrodite have the biggest numbers?
Like first try on hydra, went in with 20 HP, got it down to half by hitting it for ~600dmg with spear before it got me with some skill (and also went into multiple snake mode)
hard holly
Aphrodite has the highest damage potential, yes
trail orbit
say, has anyone tried lifedrinker on the sword?
tame depot
nope but that sounds like a good idea
night pasture
so I got the "blood and darkness" curse, which spawned a survival room
would anyone be able to tell me what the "oaf" curse does?
fast pawn
Okay just beat Meg with the sword, and had a much easier time than with spear imo.
Worldsplitter backstabs are pretty beefy, though.
hard holly
You mean the get life on thrust but lose 50% hp?
Its bad unfortunately
Also, what do oyu mean by curses?
hushed ledge
IMO lifedrinker is pretty good
hard holly
Eh
Losing half your health is rough, especially in Asphodel
And the thrust is not reliable anyway
proud storm
some of the boon icons take a whole new meaning when they're from aphrodite
night pasture
every once in a while when you start a run a screen comes up that says "CURSE" and Hades goes all big bad dad on you
tame depot
What's the deal behind going through the chaos holes
pastel jolt
sacrifice a bit of health, get darkness/coins
night pasture
You trade some life for whatever reward is in the hole
proud storm
hades is mad-es
night pasture
"quick jump in Hades' chaos hole"
tame depot
nice 👌
pearl willow
neat thing i just noticed about the spear - when you charge up the spin attack you can dash to trigger it and the spin will go off at the dash destination, not the starting point
random cliff
It's good tactic to have any kind of crit for attacks (dash, main attack) and You can dash behind enemy to get backstab bonus.
with spear spin
quaint gale
I think you can just say that for any weapon
turbid needle
i can confirm, the most op build atm i found was:
spear (aphrodite on attack)
atermis dash
and atermis increased crit or more dmg on weakend enemies
clears like a dream even in higher levels
untold trellis
aphro weak + aphro amp on weak + anything that deals dmg at all clears like a dream
The assault flight shield hammer upgrade is pretty good. Let's you use shield special vs hydra without losing it forever too
night pasture
here's an example of what I think I would call a "curse" screen:
untold trellis
Poseidon cast is quite good. Just destroys the entire stack and the spawner for the skulls
night pasture
hushed ledge
those are just story I think
spiral slate
yeah I just got one that was him saying "you either find your place or know your place"
untold trellis
499 coins with 500 for the decor 😦
supple summit
Does decor do anything
night pasture
if you interact with the scrying pool it tells you how manyenemies you've killed
tough tulip
Yo
hidden patrol
who doesnt want an aphrodite wallpaper?
tough tulip
Can I post videos of the last boss in here, or is it spoiler-free?
hidden patrol
btw just use that 200 gold trinket and you are good to go for wallpapers
tough tulip
Cause I just killed it in 15 seconds and thought I'd share the video and build
hidden patrol
there is a spoilers channel. i mean i dont care but someone else might
tough tulip
it's more relevant to gameplay and tactics tho
LAST BOSS SPOILER https://youtu.be/Y-Dp5iC3vnQ
was a sweet run
hidden patrol
didnt even know you could kill it without it going invincible
tough tulip
just gotta hit it continuously like that and he won't phase
couldn't pull it off consistently, this was my first time skipping all 3 phases
I have a save file if you wanna try
hidden patrol
yeah im trying the get a cast build with a lot of added projectiles but no luck so far
tough tulip
at least cast is a bit stronger now, on day1 I never used cast
just shield all the way
solar galleon
Make sure to pick Artemis keepsake
tough tulip
now that they nerfed that, I feel bow is the way to go with a bit of luck
hidden patrol
yeah i do
hidden patrol
the god keepsaked dont work if you use them after meg do they? atleast not the next part
frank galleon
Multi-cast with strengthened projectiles can get insanely strong, but of course, you're stuck picking the casts back up later.
untold trellis
Aphro keepsake is so much easier
tough tulip
I always use afrodite at start and swap to Skull Earring after meg
hidden patrol
i dont want to win. i want to have fun 😄
tough tulip
glass cannon all the way
frank galleon
I don't have Aphrodite's yet, so I've just been running the Skull Earring start to finish. I usually make enough mistakes to ultimately get very good mileage out of it lol
hidden patrol
what do you think about the one that maked buffs last 2 rooms longer after meg? high chance to carry something good to the boss
tough tulip
it's super nice if you invest some darkness into the extra lives at the mirror
oh also, something I found out, if you swap to the cerberus collar thing after meg, then exit the menu, then swap to another trinket, you heal 25 health for free
keep that in mind lads
frank galleon
If that hasn't been reported as a bug, I imagine it probably should be
tough tulip
same with any trinket
uneven shuttle
@tough tulip Nice, I posted a video doing the same thing earlier
Aphodite buffs + bow special melts the Hydra
limpid ember
Just had most op build I've ever had
tough tulip
ye it's my favorite build for sure
hidden patrol
btw how much darkness do you guys have?
uneven shuttle
I reported it as a bug yesterday, @frank galleon
limpid ember
Spear, Zeus attack boon, +lightning bounce boon, + extra lightning made boon
indigo compass
im at around 1600 now
tough tulip
I already miss day1 shield man
limpid ember
Every basic attack was hitting for 2 chain lightnings that bounced 9 times
indigo compass
yeah strider same:p
tough tulip
that build was so broken and so fun
indigo compass
i was so happy with that shield:p
frank galleon
Zeus boons are basically just do something and get extra lightning damage.
I like them lol
untold trellis
That was the easiest win I have had. Just dash and spam casts for 800 dmg
https://imgur.com/a/TItcqAI
indigo compass
but yeah now i use the athena keepsake :p
uneven shuttle
limpid ember
I love that zeus boons all play nice together and are generally good
A lot of gods boons have a bunch of duds
uneven shuttle
I wonder if there's an even faster way
untold trellis
Casts took too long for me to skip phases. made me sad
uneven shuttle
Someone said they 1-shot Meg with the shield because of a weird bug, but I can't replicate
indigo compass
i only love the cast zeus boon and the dash one
tough tulip
oh that's even smoother than mine @uneven shuttle very nice
untold trellis
Poseidon cast made room clearing so easy
tough tulip
I'll go ahead and do one faster now, didn't think I could just stand still in same spot for some reason
cause my arrows hit for 144 lel
frank galleon
Homing with multi-cast shreds Numbskull rooms
uneven shuttle
Yeah, I actually came across it accidentally, wasn't even going for the build
indigo compass
shield is pretty good against numbskulls with the dash atk
uneven shuttle
Which is why I invested in non-special upgrades
tough tulip
I still haven't actually tried any of the other weapons, bow is just so good
other than shield
indigo compass
really? i dont like the bow after meg
uneven shuttle
Shield was almost as good as bow, got nerf'd despite bow being better
Spear is good, particularly decent with extra range buff, but not bow-levels of good
cerulean yoke
Bow is so annoying to use against skulls too
uneven shuttle
The sword is hot trash
cerulean yoke
ye
limpid ember
I like the spear the most so far
tough tulip
but it requires proper upgrades on bow pre-meg to be any good
indigo compass
only had decent runs with shield
cerulean yoke
I just beat the game using the sheild
limpid ember
Used to be shield, but that nerf hit it hard
tough tulip
you really want the double-arrows
quaint gale
current sword makes me fear whatever will come after hydra
indigo compass
sword is the worst tho
tough tulip
that upgrade is broken good
raw laurel
I just had quite an absurd run with spear
uneven shuttle
Oh yeah, the bow is better for clearing the game, but not for early rooms
raw laurel
Was hitting for 700+
frank galleon
Shield is awesome for running in circles and just tossing the special
tough tulip
anyway time to see how fast I can melt hydra
cerulean yoke
Sheild>Spear>Sword=Bow
tough tulip
brb
untold trellis
What do ppl like running on sword?
quaint gale
...a different weapon
frank galleon
lol
limpid ember
Oh, the most broken thing about my spear with zeus double chain lightning + extra bounces build? The spin attack
indigo compass
shield with the increased dash atk dmg is pretty sick when u get artemis dash + wall slam
raw laurel
The way I got sword to work was with the x4 damage on dash thing (dash hits twice and both crit)
limpid ember
Dash into middle of enemies as they're spawning and charge it
When they spawn, release and dash pit
quaint gale
if you want a real answer then either world splitter or flurry blade
raw laurel
Combine that with the talent to give extra dash damage as well you can reach almost x8 dmg on dash
limpid ember
It made like 30 chain lightnings and instagibed the entire spawn
uneven shuttle
I genuinely can't see any reason to use Zeus or Ares Attack or Special upgrades.
limpid ember
Including the armored bomb skeletons
uneven shuttle
Aphrodite's are the best by a good margin, then Athena, then Poseidon, then the rest are 'no'
limpid ember
Zeus attack is broken af if you get the double chain lightning boon
indigo compass
my go to is athena , i use the keepsake then i switch to collar after meg:p
cerulean yoke
Zeus has worked best for me
uneven shuttle
@limpid ember What about the fact it doesn't benefit from crits, or other damage-boosting boons?
Unless you get only Zeus stuff, but even then...
limpid ember
Doesn't matter, it was literally 1 shotting everything
quaint gale
hm...I know it's basically pointless but does it benefit from the all crit boon?
indigo compass
if u can get shield normal atk to deflect then bull rush becomes great again:p
untold trellis
ah found the 176 seeking cast power. now I don't need to use the sword...
limpid ember
As long as there were 2 enemies, the 2 chain lightings per attack were bouncing back and forth between them
so each attack was actually worth about 500 damage on 2 targets
And thats with the spear, which attack super quick
uneven shuttle
I did try for a Zeus + extra-fast sword boon, but it seemed to be terrible against armored enemies, that can just tank through it and hit you
uneven shuttle
Spear's range definitely helps, especially with that boon
indigo compass
spear with range boon is pretty nice 😃
quaint gale
yeah, sword's range fails that build
uneven shuttle
But the damage was definitely not Aphrodite-level.
limpid ember
The base damage, no
indigo compass
anyone know what boon gave ur dash atk a 2nd hit?
hushed ledge
sword hammer
uneven shuttle
I mean damage output. Aphrodite boon + crit-dash + aphrodite damage boon or ares damage boon
quaint gale
when more levels are added to the game these builds will start being tested
as is, most things work to hydra
limpid ember
Dunno, I'be had that and that zeus build was far beyond the dmg I got from aphrodite builds
Probably because the spear base damage is so weak
quaint gale
it's aphrodite and artemis combined that give the highest damage potential
and since attack gets extra buffs from a dash and the mirror it gets absurdly high
uneven shuttle
You only need the Artemis dash boon.
Specifically, it's:
Aphrodite Attack or Special boon
Artemis Dash boon
Aphrodite / Ares / Artemis Passive boons
Some of those passive ones just add damage to everything
quaint gale
right
the thing is, the Artemis dash boon will only affect Attack, so if you're going Special you should not take it
uneven shuttle
Yeah, that's true
quaint gale
that's the advantage that Attack builds have over every other build
tough tulip
hmmm, it seems like if I go for backstabs and get my 144 hits on bow special on hydra, I can't triple-skip
uneven shuttle
Should have separated it in 2, special one you just want the passives
limpid ember
Aside from the bow, are any specials even worth using?
tough tulip
@uneven shuttle
untold trellis
I currently have the artemis seeking cast and everything can crit boons. Clearing rooms with only cast dmg
indigo compass
i dont use specials often to long before u can dash after a special imo
quaint gale
I still think shield toss builds can be good, though the recall on it needs to be fixed
uneven shuttle
You can clear the whole thing using nothing but the shield special, but it's annoying
really annoying
modest dew
i think that if the shield special had some kind of homing on its return it would be better
untold trellis
the single bounce shield can make only shield toss viable the entire run
uneven shuttle
Sword has too much of a cooldown after the special to be any good imo
modest dew
since most of the time i just miss it then have to wait 5 secs
yeah sword seems way too weak
quaint gale
sword special is probably the worst attack in the game
indigo compass
yeah no dmg on the sword even
quaint gale
hm?
silver sonnet
no you dont
modest dew
nah if you press the attack it returns
quaint gale
you press it again to get it back
silver sonnet
you just re activate it and it comes back
limpid ember
what...really?
silver sonnet
and it deals damage both ways
quaint gale
yeah, you get backstab off it
limpid ember
All this time I was dashing up to grab it lol
indigo compass
haha
quaint gale
your play is about to be revolutionized
limpid ember
oh gods lol
silver sonnet
you can literally auto attack or press q again and it comes back
you can also charge up the spear spin atatck
and then dash
and the aoe happens at the end of the dash
which can be nice
limpid ember
Yeah, I knew that one
quaint gale
yeah, with quick spin that becomes incredible
silver sonnet
what are your guys weapons rankings?
quaint gale
https://i.imgur.com/h1yzvDy.png very incredible
silver sonnet
I think spear > sheild > sword >>> bow
limpid ember
Spear > Bow > Shield > Sword
indigo compass
shield/spear/bow/sword
quaint gale
dash attacks will completely change your opinion on the bow
silver sonnet
have you guys beaten the second boss?
night pasture
I agree with shield/spear/bow/sword
limpid ember
I'd rate bow first, but you need very specific boons or else you just lost to skull piles and such
silver sonnet
you mean zeus lignting on dasH?
indigo compass
nope bingo i have not:p
quaint gale
Bow > Spear > Shield >>>> Sword
silver sonnet
that isn't the bow being good
quaint gale
no
night pasture
bow staples you in one place way too long after firing
uneven shuttle
Used to be Bow>Shield>Spear>>Sword
Now, the shield might be below spear
silver sonnet
taht is it being so bad taht you don't even want to use it
hushed ledge
no we mean the things that make bow busted
modest dew
can we go back to the first patch
uneven shuttle
And 2x damage
And guaranteed crits, if you get the right boon
modest dew
i miss the shield
quaint gale
yeah, with the dash buff from the mirror it's guaranteed double damage for the entire run
untold trellis
Shield bounce actually feels slightly better on this patch compared to previous
hushed ledge
deflect shield was stupid
grizzled jay
^
silver sonnet
has anybody beaten the final boss with bow?
indigo compass
yes shield should have its deflect back, just be toned down in dmg imo
silver sonnet
ive only done it with spear
quaint gale
yes, many times
hushed ledge
yes bow is easy to beat the final boss with
untold trellis
@uneven shuttle
hushed ledge
no shield shouldn't have deflect back
tough tulip
https://youtu.be/Y-Dp5iC3vnQ @silver sonnet
hushed ledge
deflect is nutty
tough tulip
2fast4u
modest dew
id like it if it only had the innate deflect on the block
since it doesnt have it now even with the athena buff
modest dew
i think that was more the parry boon though
tough tulip
that was what made it fun lel
indigo compass
hmm u were still vulnerable from behind:p
modest dew
since that made everything but the final fight a joke
hushed ledge
tbh I think deflect is just a really strong mechanic
night pasture
I beat meg for the first time today because I got athena's deflect blessing right off the bat with the shield and didn't even realize it had changed not to do that innately
but if you take artemis' keepsake you can crank special critical and critical damage and just spam shield throw all day long
uneven shuttle
visions of the shield flying off-screen and returning 15 seconds later
indigo compass
yeah i dont throw it unless i have the boon so it comes back after one hit:p
tough tulip
yeah I hate that
night pasture
just make sure you hit something with it
modest dew
even then
uneven shuttle
Doesn't matter, even then it can go haywire
indigo compass
true
uneven shuttle
In the final fight I'd throw it at the Hydra and then it'd fly off to the left, never to be seen again
night pasture
I mean I've had problems in aspho but in the rooms with walls you just dash 'round till it comes back
indigo compass
yes asphodel is not kind to the shield throw
wind vortex
Deflect against the witches in asphodel is a fat nut
copper night
I think we need an opportunity to change our weapon mid-run, like we can do with a keepsake
wind vortex
Shield throw sucks in asphodel yeah
tough tulip
I agree TayFey
would be nice
but it doesn't seem likely cause boons are weapon-dependent
like the hammer hting
copper night
True
night pasture
oh speaking of which I've tried a few runs pumping cast but it just seems very unreliable
quaint gale
the distance one? it should...but I guess I don't know for sure
night pasture
am I missing something?
uneven shuttle
Ares' cast is good
quaint gale
zeus or artemis casts
uneven shuttle
Don't use Aphrodite's, the range kills it
untold trellis
artemis
turbid needle
Rare or epic Poseidon cast is also fantastic for crowd control
untold trellis
poseidon cast carried me last run. this run my only dmg at all is artemis cast
turbid needle
Had one doing 160+ damage over a huge area
uneven shuttle
I just can't stand the whole 'run around and collect your gems' aspect to magic. Not a fan, I guess
turbid needle
Great with the bow
untold trellis
my last run poseidon cast was 800 dmg
turbid needle
Lmaooo
untold trellis
tho I had the weak amp helping
uneven shuttle
Especially since they can get stuck in bosses, for instance
tough tulip
what's the cap on how many casts you can get from the mirror btw?
tough tulip
that's not a lot rip
quaint gale
artemis does have that boon where it drops as little as a second after you shoot
untold trellis
i mean most things died to that much dmg
uneven shuttle
4, but Artemis has a boon for more