With lvl 3 zeus dash
#h1-builds-and-combat
rigid sphinx
yeah tahts what i did
flint gale
First time beating meg was because of the shield with no knockback but 300% damage increass with an epic crit increase on attack and guaranteed crit after a dash with aphrodiets dash. My DPS was pretty outrageous
hazy portal
I just got to meg
and had the worst possible buffs
got smashed
it really does matter what you run hey
flint gale
RNG has really gotta be on your side
simple folio
well it really depends on your starting build as well, my current one almost guarantees me Asphodel (4/5)
shield + aphrodite + 4/4 cast + double dash + all the healing bonuses + whatever else is left from points
try to get the aphrodite cast upgrade
its basically a shotgun
autumn tapir
During the twin bomber fight, taking the Titan Toppler boon from Athena (your dash is slower but deflects) easily kills the bombers, since deflecting the bombs deals almost 100 damage to them
heady zephyr
wise timber
im stuck against meg T_T
i always go in full health and get the crap slapped out of me lol
pastel jolt
i usually do pretty good to start out with and then it just goes downhill
wise timber
yeah the circle things get me
i double dash but still get damaged
and enemies just keep building up and if i take care of them first she just spawns more and i got do much of a dent on her health
im using the shield which should just be super easy because the shield is ballin but
sometimes?
people are bad at video games
(its me. im bad at video games.)
pastel jolt
oh mood
pastel jolt
i mean the mirror is there to be used
wise timber
yeah for sure! but it gets frustrating after a while when i can only proceed by dying the same place over and over orz
i know its part of the game but if there are any tips for her?
pastel jolt
she telegraphs most of her attacks pretty well. when she does the spray of projectiles, run away; they're easier to dodge at a distance, and if you're quick you can do a little add cleanup while you're there. her dash attack is easy to dodge and you don't need to use your own dash to do it; depending on your build/how you dodge you can get in a decent bit of damage when she pauses after the dash. i have absolutely no tips on dodging the circles bc it usually catches me at least twice a cycle
if she's constantly running towards you, she won't stop until you do - she's either trying to dash you, or she's going to use her whip, but you can tell which once she starts the animation bc it's easy to tell apart - crouching down for her dash vs. rising into the air and spinning her whip for the whip aoe
wise timber
ahh i always dash/deflect against her when she dashes towards me
which usually leaves me open to the mooks
so thats good to know!
pastel jolt
you really just need to sidestep a little
don't run directly away, you won't make it in time and she'll smack into you
but jsut running to the side a bit will get you out of the way
pastel jolt
np 👌
i'm not an expert by any means, i can't get her lower than about 30% health
but i'm doing better than my first few shots
hard holly
Dont die
arctic olive
will have to try that next time thanks 
hard holly
Jokes aside though, from the one time I faced it, I think being able to deflect is key
Since those seeking arrows are a pain
Then again, the one time I got there I had a broken spear build
arctic olive
with the main head i hid behind the wall but when the second wave of heads came thats where i died
i used shield
rapid crater
I defeated the hydra the first time I fought against it.. Kinda sad that I was that lucky. I just hid behind the pillars or whatever they are, spammed the spear on the heads and used the food that spawned at the right time. Well and dash to avoid stuff. Had only 3 hp left. Yeah I was lucky.
golden sentinel
Shield is great against Meg, you can block and deflect everything except her circle-blasts, her bullet-hell-spray hurts her more than you, and the charge + double/triple dash carries you right across the room if you're getting surrounded
hard holly
I had the Deflect on special boon and reflects do 500% damage when I beat Meg for the first time
Pretty good
arctic olive
i can get meg pretty much everytime with shield depending on how lucky i get with boons. Do boss rooms spawn sooner sometimes? feel like I fight her and the bone bombers sooner and sooner
i wish the charge occurs whenever you have the button held down, found myself thinking i was charging but had to click and hold again
autumn tapir
Meg's behind an elite darkness door each time, but I think it's a set number of chambers
arctic olive
yea i know she is always behnd that door just didnt know when it spawned for lack of a better term
wise timber
me, holding my hands out for boon doors: please no more keys i need to fight meg
lost rose
🅱ood
pastel jolt
pls
pastel jolt
hell i haven't even unlocked everything on the mirror yet and that's still a mood
lost rose
tartarus more like torturous, eh, ehhh,
wise timber
yeah i dont have the stuff on the mirror all unlocked i just want more good boons
i slap posideons grubby arms away
give me ares
lost rose
if i can get peerless parry w/ the daedalus hammer at all, it's gonna be smooth sailing...
i love it. you just stand still and everything dies.
wise timber
MOOD.
arctic olive
whats peerless parry do?
lost rose
500% deflect damage
arctic olive
thats nice
arctic olive
love shield
wise timber
i guess you just cry then
lost rose
i HATE brimstone they're legit the only thing that can nerf me when i've got the shield
arctic olive
crystals kinda suck when yo have shield and they far away
wise timber
YEAH they cant make it that easy for you haha
the bombers drive me nuts i always save them for the end
start slapping my shield off the walls
arctic olive
be cool if their beams deflect like a mirror but that maybe op
wise timber
"dont touch me"
lost rose
you can actually get to meg without passing the bombers
it happened to me once completely by accident
wise timber
god those little bastards
funnily enough during the meg fight i lose a lot of my hp just from the spikes because i bash my way through about everything
arctic olive
that fat guys with armor get me
wise timber
look at how much ive grown! hating the shield in bastion and now its my favorite damn thing
pastel jolt
i haaaaate the bombers so much
wise timber
yeah same most of the time i just kind of sit in the corner and wait for everything to die
arctic olive
yea
arctic olive
metal pancake nice name for a shield
can we get mods where we can have different names for stuff
wise timber
ah yes
dusky drum
whats the highest damage youve managed to get so far?
wise timber
my shield,
jugenmujugenmugokonosurikekaijarisugesugematsufunfaimatsufuraimatsukurunetokoroni
wise timber
me, throwing ambrosia at sisyphys every time i see him
yeah same
even when i look at the numbers they often blend together
dusky drum
ive got 390 crits
arctic olive
i cant give ambrosia to doggo anymore, i am right at the next thing he gives you
dusky drum
with shield/crit/dash
wise timber
can you give them ambrosia more than once?
pastel jolt
listen once i have All The Keepsakes i'm throwing all my ambrosia at cerberus and achilles
yeah
wise timber
GOOD.
arctic olive
yea stacks up the hearts
wise timber
i gave my first bottle to hades and he just told me to perish like the dog i am
arctic olive
i havent gotten more than one thing from someone
wise timber
which was super funny to me ngl
arctic olive
yea hades is funny just like hey boy
like the relationship between everyone, like how you can talk to meg like hey got you this time
arctic crest
Does anyone think the Aegis Shield is overpowered?
wise timber
a little but i also really like the feel of it because you can really smash through things
arctic crest
I mean, the game is difficult enough, but other weapons are at obvious disadvantages about to this
wise timber
i think other weapons should be buffed than the sheild nerfed imo
arctic crest
In terms of all raw damage, speed and versatility
Blew my mind that this got into the soft launch
wise timber
i used to use it for range when i first played but the fact you have to pick up the shards to reuse them when the other weapons just. have projectile mode is [shrugging]
it certainly helps but i tend to forget in favor of my weapon
arctic crest
The shield throw buffed by Zeus is insanely OP
radiant compass
Lol yeah. I got the epic version with like... seven bounces or something.
The only downside if that you end up with no weapon for ages.
orchid pelican
Cast feels mostly like worse special for spear
wintry moon
spear might as well replace cast lel
radiant compass
If you get get if buffer by athena it's really good too because it'll bounce around defelecting stuff.
wintry moon
you can double tap for that boomerang and backstab
orchid pelican
The ares cast is fun too, but just like the Ares Dash, it's hard to make it work imo
wintry moon
slow
radiant compass
None of the dashes are really that good IMO.
Even the basic dash is like... meg
meh, even
orchid pelican
Zeus dash is amazing for damage
wise timber
aphrodites dash was pretty ok for the one time i used it?
radiant compass
I guess I've been playing too much Dead Cells and it's spoiled me a bit.
orchid pelican
as epic version it wrecks a lot of annoying mobs
wintry moon
they should take another look at Jaunt() and see what they can fix
analog wing
artemis's dash is great on bows for those guaranteed crits
wise timber
are artemis and athenas dashes the same?
radiant compass
In this the dash is like a lot of the time I want to dash and I can't cancel into dash and also the dash isn't invincible for very long. It doesn't feel good to use.
analog wing
err sorry, yeah artemis
orchid pelican
miiiiight be OP
analog wing
ending lag on dash feels really weird right now though, if you don't do a dash attack
radiant compass
Yeah, it doesn't feel good to use the dash. Not compared to the ridiculously way too good dash-roll in Dead Cells. Where it's like "You can always cancel into it and it has a million iFrames."
wintry moon
yeah I know that feel
it's like all the actions has this very noticeable mini cooldown
glacial osprey
thats very intentional though i think, the more iframes come from getting upgraded dashes for multiple
radiant compass
I don't really care if it's intentional I care if it's fun. Which it is not.
glacial osprey
weird way to put it but fair enough
arctic olive
Still early access so hopefully it will feel better at release
wintry moon
the thing that blows is the lack of iframes when initiating dash
radiant compass
Like, they made it not be fun to use the dash on purpose. And that makes it ok? Like, it's just not a very powerful move, it doesn't feel good to use. I'll stop going on about it but if you compare it to the roll in dead cells, that's a crazy powerful move. And it's really fun to use.
wintry moon
I keep getting booked by fat people for that
hard holly
The dash is mostly fine
Its only really a problem when the screen is totally clustered
I do think the ending lag could be reduced a smidge
radiant compass
Yeah, the recovery is long, the invincibility is short.
patent linden
The dash is fine, it's the fact that you can't dash to cancel the sword's thrust animation that gives people a bad first impression. More reasons to ditch the sword for a different weapon ASAP
analog wing
Yeah, I think that's where I'm at with it. It just feels a little janky with it being as long as it is
glacial osprey
it needs a downside though, otherwise when you get the multiplecharges youll be unkillable you can cancell the recoveryframes with an attack with some weapons
honestly it feels like ()jaunt in transistor. similar long recovery
analog wing
I honestly wouldn't mind losing some iframes for less lag, since most attacks are pretty well telegraphed so far.
wintry moon
dead cells dash is very spammable but that game is built on speed running and choosing encounters and the boss fights are very claustrophobic
current dash in hades do allow for interesting clutch moments but you always get hit before or after the dash in intense moments
surges could be interesting but it kinda leaves you nekkid as you multi-track drift around
night pasture
hades called me an "oaf" which I assume is a sort of curse for this run, is there a way to see what it is?
pastel jolt
honestly my dude i think that might just be hades Bein Himself, ie a terrible dad
night pasture
duly noted, thanks!
tranquil ice
What does the Shawl from Nyx do? Haven't tried it because it sounds so useless :P
hardy epoch
I had it equipped for a while but I didn't notice a difference
random briar
By all that is holy, Aphrodite's attack buff+extra damage on weakened foes single handedly got me through Meg in 2 minutes and the Hydra in 5. Given I was using the shield which has solid base attack but still. Wonder if it'll get nerfed with like half the extra damage against bosses.
I'd never even faced the hydra before that run.
night pasture
@tranquil ice You can dash/move through enemies
helps in tight spots but generally ont great
night pasture
is there something to the cast I'm missing when it attaches to enemies?
rain pelican
does it effect the dash's that can replace the standard dash?
cause i did see that people were raising issue re those dashes not going through the same terrain/enemies as default
marsh lion
The combo that allowed me to beat the game: Powered up Spear throw from Aphrodite for good range, and a powered up dash attack from Ares.
autumn tapir
@night pasture when the cast attaches to an enemy, you need to kill the enemy to get it back. it only attaches if it hits and the enemy survives, which is why the Blade Rift/aphrodite's shotgun cast boons are so nice
thorny delta
anyone has a good tactic for megara?
analog jewel
the dash chaining here reminds me of Hyper Light Drifter
hollow urchin
alright so whats the benefits of gifts beyond the initial item, if any?
untold trellis
There are more conversation lines about getting a gift and it might influence the number of hearts you have
Nothing tangible
hollow urchin
so how do hearts work then?
untold trellis
They don' do anything outside of codex
simple folio
yeah are the hearts good for anything?
night pasture
You'll see hearts with a gift marker, which is when you need to offer a gift for more
it's all story stuff, though, nothing gameplay-wise
crude basin
tips for megaera: use the shield and hold down x
simple folio
btw shield with 300% dmg + athena dash makes you pretty much invincible
and you do absurd dmg on top
night pasture
moues + kybard help
simple folio
@night pasture gooby pls
night pasture
I died again
forest marsh
They just mean to hold your attack for shield block spam
crude basin
yeah basically i would just shield charge around the room until she died
hard holly
Sword really needs a major buff tbh
crude basin
yeah
autumn tapir
Sword and Bow are easily the weakest
hard holly
Bow is better by a lot tbh
autumn tapir
Bow's special is trash, and it is outmatched by Spear and Shield
toxic sinew
If bow special had baseline knockback it would be usable
subtle walrus
Sword and Bow work best with the dodge upgrades
They feel like hit and run weapons
Dunno how effective such a build will be tho
autumn tapir
also PSA to not take Tempest Strike (your attack knockbacks) after taking Pulverizing Blow on the Shield (attacks deal 300% damage but no longer knockbacks)
I feel like that should have been obvious but I did it anyway
willow rampart
One thing that was effective for me was double Aphrodite boon ( your attacks weaken foes + foes take incresed dmg when weakened ) and shield weapon
I 10 shotted Meg
pastel jolt
okay y'all i'm Trusting You, i'm trying the athena dash
exotic hazel
I officially take back my praise of ares dash
Its sooooo slow
On stage 2 it becomes a death sentence cause of the skeletons
Bloodstone builds are super fun, though not super effective
They just pale so hard against armored enemies
pastel jolt
yeah, no, i'm not seeing what people like about athena's dash
hard holly
Bows special is bad, yes
But its basic attack is a lot better than what sword got to offer
Sword basically needs to get the larger area special hammer upgrade to be usable
wary folio
How do I give a gift to the gods?
copper berry
bow special is only decent if you spec really hard into synergy
sometimes you get the option to gift when you accept a boon
so just make sure to see first if the prompt is available before you accept it
wary folio
Thanks
proud zenith
I had an amazing bow run today where i did 450 crit damage with almost every shot. its super RNG but if you get the right boons from the gods, the bow one shots almost everything
copper berry
Yeah I have been minmaxing the bow a lot. It doesnt get too RNG dependent if you take the Artemis gift to guarantee her early, and throught he rest of the run
pastel jolt
@autumn tapir what happens if you take both?
copper berry
then you can get crit dash build, and if you get athena or aphrodite for thte dmg buff
hard holly
Yeah the bow can be quite good, and at worst, its a safe boss-killer
copper berry
and a daedalus hammer to give point blank or power shot its dope
hard holly
Sword just has nothing it really does well
proud zenith
True true. I think I had am mix of dealing 350% damage up close with the bow + 100% damage after dashing plus a base attack bonus of 50% or so
copper berry
Yeah it gets crazy. I have been trying to do runs where I get hte absolute most damage possible from it.
hard holly
Whats worse is that the one thing Sword has going for it, its special
Is just a worse version of spears charge-up attack in most scenarios
copper berry
My best luck has been getting the crit dash from artemis, the powershot buff, and then having like only aphrodites dmg bonus
i got a bunch of pomegranates and managed to get her boon to +6. so it was giving me like 150% extra dmg on bow, its nutty
proud zenith
So while the bow isn't quite strong on its own, using it with some amazing boons almost guarantees you a successful run i feel
Just gotta know how to dash and dodge
hard holly
I wanted to go for a normal spear run
pulsar loom
I was doing well with Poseidon's knockback and shield, but Meg is completely immune to knockback so it went from OP to worthless real quick.
pastel jolt
okay so i took the "300% damage but no knockback" and then the "more damage and knockback" on the shield and it's very good
so idk what gee was on about
proud zenith
Hm, well the shield deflect megs charging attack so when she charges you, you just charge back at her to negate her damage and deal your own to her @pulsar loom
pastel jolt
i'm oneshotting brimstones now
autumn tapir
it does heavy damage but you don't get the knockback, there are better options
hard holly
Anyway, I feel like Bow should have piercing baseline and slightly more damage on a perfect shot, Sword should have the skewer attack as a charge-attack on square, with the regular being a much faster 3-hit combo, and the special should knockback baseline
copper berry
Bro bow is nutty as is
and perfect shot gives you a 33% damage boost
piercing base would be a little too broken I feel. It would be nice I agree. Maybe if it pierced only one enemy base? Or got that one enemy piercing for a perfect shot?
toxic sinew
Maybe just add a high level boon for piercing or chance to pierce. Baseline pierce would be nuts
copper berry
And lets not forget
theoretically there will be 5 more gods to get boons from
we currently have 6 from the pantheon
and hades obviously wont help us out
hard holly
Just consider that Spear does the same 30 damage as a fully charged bow shot
While also piercing everything
copper berry
way less range
hard holly
Its actually not that much shorter range
copper berry
So in theory we will get still Hera, Demeter, Apollo, Hephaestus, Hermes, and maybe Hestia
hard holly
Like, 15% shorter I think
copper berry
Hades technically isnt part of the pantheon I guess, I forgot about that
forest marsh
If they change anything on the bow it should be more range... Doesn't make sense that it dies out after such a short space
copper berry
I cant wait to give a bunch of ideas for what boons the gods could give. I absolutely love greek mythology
I cant argue in an unbiased manner because I have basically ionly used bow and its great
I think a little mroe range would be good tho
10-20% more
Sucks when an enemy is just barely off screen and they dont get tapped
hard holly
I think Bow as a bosskiller is great
But Bow sucks against large clustered rooms
Since you have basically no AoE
Thats the part that needs a small buff I feel
pastel jolt
@autumn tapir but if you take the one that gives knockback after the one that takes it away, you keep the insane damage and get your knockback given back to you
copper berry
so with bow I agree if you dont min max it gets to be really rough on crowded rooms
and the enemies I have the most trouble with are the skull spawners on the second floor
I think boons can actually vary quite greatly for bow, and thast fine , but the non-negotiable thing most of the time is a daedalus hammer
pastel jolt
didn't stop me dying against megaera because of the athena-dash but whatever i'm not taking that upgrade again no matter how much everyone says it's good
copper berry
You either need triple shot, piercing, or enough bonus dmg to 1 shot every enemy you face
blazing sigil
for meg, the spear with extended range makes it piece of cake
but if you get too many zeus powerups it will probably drain your fps xD
old pebble
Shield + 500% reflect dmg boon, easy
blazing sigil
which god gives the 500% reflect dmg?
blazing sigil
ohh nice
old pebble
yo
the boon is so broken
u can one shot everything early on
just bull charge and everything will die
mystic stag
The shield itself is broken af compared to other weapons
pulsar loom
Downside to the shield is when it goes out of bounds and takes a little while to return
old pebble
well not cause its broken but it gives so much more options then every other weapon
ye true good thing it only happens in asphodel
guess the Devs need to tweak it a bit, either cut the return time or make some invis walls in asphodel so it returns faster
pulsar loom
Mostly there, but have seen it bounce outside of the railings on the first area as well
mystic stag
I don't even use shield throw all that often, because just normal attacks are so strong
toxic sinew
I feel like shield throw actually just screws you over because you can't attack while it's out unless you use some tech
mystic stag
Yup
old pebble
ye but if u get hands on athena special boon take it
it makes the shield throw so much better
mystic stag
On my first run I got aphrodite bonuses, that makes foes weak on attack, increases base dmg, increases dmg dealt to weaken enemies and then artemis with some juicy crits
Killed meg first try in like 10 seconds
That was funny after strugling for a while to beat her with a spear
old pebble
aphrodites boons are rly strong
btw try out the poseidon attack boon for the shield
you kicking those enemies to hell
mystic stag
Yeah, tried it as well, pretty fun to bash people around
old pebble
paired with the wall stun or wall dmg boon its great
mystic stag
I wonder if the shield is too strong, or the rest is too weak
forest marsh
Both, I think
old pebble
both I guess
mystic stag
Game gets pretty hard eventually even with pumped shield
limpid ember
I think the bow is the weakest in general, since it depends so highly on good boons
hardy epoch
And aiming
copper berry
If you use controller you get amazing autoaim
old pebble
since the other weapons doesn't rly come with any defensive abilities or cc it makes them pretty weak compared to shield
copper berry
And as long as you either get a daedalus hammer or anything to add to damage i think bow is amazing
limpid ember
I like the spear a lot too
copper berry
right now I dont really have amazing boons, just a damage up and a weakness on my special
limpid ember
It's nearly as good as the shield to me
copper berry
but with a skull earring and a daedalus upgrade I am still doin Werk
hardy epoch
I'm not a big fan of the shield because it doesn't have knockback
mystic stag
Spear is strong as well but it's a lot harder to use imo
forest marsh
Shield has knockback, unless I'm losing my mind
limpid ember
btw, does giving multiple gifts do anything? Or is that just a waste?
hardy epoch
I meant spear
old pebble
would like to see the spear getting an attack combo like the sword so u can kick enemies with the final strike or smth like this
forest marsh
Getting the Poseidon boon with spear gives it craaazy knockback
@limpid ember Just dialog stuff as far as I know
forest marsh
I'd like to see a spear combo where it's a series of jabs that finish with a single swing with knockback
old pebble
^
copper berry
if you give more gifts, that means double the opportunity for Dusa to talk with you and be adorable 🐍
whole edge
what's dusa's artifact thing?
limpid ember
The pile of skulls thing? @whole edge
whole edge
yes @limpid ember I got wrecked by 4 of them spawning stuff
old pebble
1% chance of finding healking items
copper berry
Its her feather duster
forest marsh
@whole edge it gives pots a 1% chance to drop healing items
limpid ember
@whole edge dusa heirloom is 1% chance of vases containing healing item
whole edge
ah thanks.
limpid ember
@whole edge basically pray you get hammer for piercing
copper berry
On what
whole edge
bow/sword right now is slightly easy to be overwhelmed.
limpid ember
Pile of skulls for bow is pretty much what the blue crystals are to the shield
limpid ember
really annoying
copper berry
You have to dash around
and keep firing shots at hte spawner
first thin the heads a bit, and then dash back and forth in an area where you onnly aggro one batch of skulls
whole edge
skulls just block it haha
copper berry
and as you keep throwing shots into the spawner eventually itll die
well hopefulyl by that point in the game you do 80 dmg in one hit
so you 1 shot the skulls
but you fire shots faster than a single spawner spawns them
crude basin
any tips for avoiding megs projectile attack w/o shield or deflect?
hardy epoch
Praying and luck
toxic sinew
I personally use my dashes to get away, then just run around the edges of the room
crude basin
atm im just relying on death defiance to save me lmao
untold trellis
You can attack meg's attack to destroy the projectiles
copper berry
Yo lads im gonna start speedrunning the game. If you are interested in watching I would appreciate any thoughts or advice you might have
After all 3 heads is better than one, as Cerberus knows
pastel jolt
!feedback There's a typo in the expanded codex entry for Cerberus. Indeed, he seems one of the soul sources of comfort for the House's grim Master... - "soul" should be "sole"
crude basin
maybe its a pun
naive furnace
whats the best weapon to beat meg with? or atleast the best strat
pastel jolt
shield and 500% deflect is the only thing i've beaten her with yet
faint coyote
There's a couple of different ways to do it I think
crude basin
ive beated her once with spear, and a few times with shield
limpid ember
I like shield against her, regardless of the 500% parry (which is amazing)
faint coyote
I did it with shield + Athena reflect on the Q
And I just did it with spear (also mostly spamming Q and running away)
quiet dust
Shield is pretty darn easy to get the kill with, just need to time your charge and take it slow
faint coyote
If you get one of the blessings on the spear Q it can hit really hard. Especially if you can also get a Daedelus hammer that buffs your Q
crude basin
the hold charge + dash tactic for spear is so good thanks to whoever mentioned it in here
faint coyote
Ares curse + Daedelus Q explosion on spear is really gross.
crude basin
i was having trouble using the spear before and now its a breeze
hushed ledge
Yeah, spindashing is sweet
I actually don't use it that much, but I probably should
limpid ember
I really like artemis dash with shield
dash into something and smack it for guaranteed crit
does some pretty crazy damage with the earring
turbid needle
any build for the heart-seeking bow?
limpid ember
I like the skull earring, piercing shot, and Aphrodite or Poseidon attack
coral valley
From my experience the second boss might be really hard to kill without playing the shield to deflect all his projectile, did anyone killed him with any other weapon ?
hushed ledge
A different weapon tbh, but probably the single chip or nova
coral valley
Supernova is cool for clean room sigle chop is cool on boss fight
vague hearth
Haha
coral valley
so look at what you want
vague hearth
Time to build a mega T-pose build
faint coyote
Armor slayer is also decent in the later half of the game when everything is armored. But probably not as good as the other options.
faint coyote
Oh yeah, terrible for bosses 😦
high tusk
I did not succeed in deflecting the 2nd boss with the shield
coral valley
Why @high tusk too much different angle to deflect ?
high tusk
I was mindlessly bashing the projectiles I guess :/
Will try again, thanks for your tip 😃
coral valley
Lmao I never bet it also dw this boos is a thought cookie
high tusk
I had artemis dash and a lot of HP when I beat it this morning. I though me missing to deflect its projectiles was because it was "pointy"
as a clue so that it could not be deflected
100 % shadow backstab + artemis critical bonuses did the other hydras head in two hits
coral valley
Demn
Maybe I should take artemis buff more seriously
More of an Ares an Poseidon buff lover
vague hearth
Sword def needs to be faster
hushed ledge
I love Artemis but I rarely get her 
coral valley
Take her trinket
coral valley
so you have her at least 1 time 😂
hard holly
Shield is probably a bit too powerful, but designwise its mostly in just the right spot
vague hearth
Maybe some iframes in the beginning
hushed ledge
It would be cool if sword's special changed depending where in the hitchain you are
hard holly
Only annoying part is if you use the special in Asphodel
You sometimes lose the shield for a couple of seconds
shrewd carbon
my strongest build was sword double dash with aphrodite weakness dmg buff and athena deflect on atack
vague hearth
I've got the aphro keepsake btw
hushed ledge
I'd say big spin, but quick spin is also an option. Armour ded is too risky on asphodel, when it would be most useful
autumn tapir
are all the olympian keepsakes the "your _____ boons are stronger, your next boon is ______"?
coral valley
Btw found a build to make Sword viable : Need the single big chom + poseidon buf on light atack
limpid ember
lol 450 dmg crit on meg with the bow
vague hearth
Oh my god it's already doing 300 damage on backstab
coral valley
Still a pain against the skullhead tho
shrewd carbon
double dash attack with athena buff is insane for sword
whole edge
I found out that you can just q the skull piles with bow to try and get rid of them early
whole edge
yea.
copper berry
nope all have i assume
arctic olive
mouse and keyboard users whats your bindings and settings on?
whole edge
I had a hell of a time earlier with the survive for 45 second one; skeleton head spawners with the casters
copper berry
artemis has one that fires a second tracer shot after a cast or an arrow
whole edge
was oof
vague hearth
BIG SPIN BEAT MEG
copper berry
idk what zeus is
vague hearth
SPIN TO WIN
copper berry
@vague hearth 
uneven shuttle
Aphrodite's legendary gives a 10% chance for the weakened effect to make the affected enemy fight for you
coral valley
Any advice on who to give your gift first to ?
vague hearth
Dog
hard holly
Thats not how you spell Hypnos
uneven shuttle
Yeah, it seems the friendly-inducing ability is way tuned down compared to, say, the ones in Transistor
south haven
vague hearth
NOOO THE GAME FROZE BECAUSE OF THE LAVA IN ASPHODEL
MY SPIN BUILD ;-;
Time to do a spear throw build then
I beat the skelly twins without taking damage
That was satifying as hell
Today's lesson: don't anger athena
turbid needle
never anger athena
vague hearth
Invulnerable brimstone
pastel jolt
note to self, then, never anger aphrodite ever
hot yoke
I think the key thing about the sword special is the ending lag is actually much, much shorter if you don't try to move or attack after it but instead just dash
Dash starts working way sooner than it 'should'
vague hearth
Also meg should have at least some knockback
Otherwise Poseidon becomes just about useless against her
vague hearth
What's he do?
limpid ember
Hate unavoidable dmg
fallen lintel
is sword not the best?
turbid needle
tbh i find ares pretty doable
vague hearth
Far from it
turbid needle
no sword isnt the best
fallen lintel
from a glance the other weapons look crappy and slow
turbid needle
have you used the spear
limpid ember
Hes doable, but unavoidable dmg
vague hearth
Are you sure
turbid needle
its avoidable
fallen lintel
people are saying it's unviable so it can't be outright the best
turbid needle
cuz it spawns from the enemys
limpid ember
Yeah, he literally was spawning them on top of me
vague hearth
Actually the sword is considered objectively the worst
limpid ember
Shield is high dps
vague hearth
Bow is a wild card
It literally all depends whether or not you get good boons with the bow imo
fallen lintel
i'll probably keep grinding with the sword but i'll take that all into account
vague hearth
Ok
fallen lintel
though meg is rough
vague hearth
Yeah, spear and sword are both pretty bad against her
turbid needle
i find the spear really nice actually
vague hearth
Actually
turbid needle
but i also often have the deflect dash
vague hearth
Spear's not too bad because of the circle slash
limpid ember
I prefer the artemis crit dash
vague hearth
I haven't found a dash I like yet
quiet dust
I can never seem to reliably time charge attacks, and I can't figure it out
turbid needle
artemis+athena
fallen lintel
oh yeah i took spear once but i didn't have as much fun with it
turbid needle
best ever
vague hearth
I kinda like the aphro one I guess
fallen lintel
timing charges is easy for me too
turbid needle
i dont get aphro that much sadly
vague hearth
You can dash while charging the spin do to it at the destination
turbid needle
yeah they are both to slow
limpid ember
Since you have those few frames where you cant move after using
vague hearth
Shield's straight up op
quiet dust
It's really good
turbid needle
yeah shield busted
limpid ember
Shield works great in 2nd area since you can push the bomb skeles into the lava
fallen lintel
does it block stuff
limpid ember
Instagibs them
fallen lintel
it should but i never tested
quiet dust
Deflect all the things
vague hearth
Spear with aphro and artemis dash is just sudden, spinning death
fallen lintel
doesn't feel like there's a carry build for sword against meg but i feel like shield alone would work wonders
limpid ember
Can you get more than 1 dash upgrade?
high tusk
sorry.. i deleted my comment, i don't know about the dash upgrade (which I assume you mean dash upgrades from other gods)
fallen lintel
2 upgrades but i haven't seen more than one boon in a run
turbid needle
@limpid ember you can get 2 dash boons
limpid ember
Huh, ive never managed it, i start only getting 1-2 boons late
hushed ledge
tbh I feel like building spinny spear is too risky
turbid needle
i never use the spinny of the spear
turbid needle
i almos only use the main attack and the special
hushed ledge
but usually you want to be dashing around and stabbing
turbid needle
yeah that
hushed ledge
I probably use it about as much as the special
hushed ledge
I use it to deal with the mine dropping dudes
my problem with the special is that I'm left defenseless for a bit
because so much of the spear's damage is from mashing space and lmb
turbid needle
you get it back faster if you attack instead of pressing q again
limpid ember
I feel that way about most specials
hushed ledge
yeah
limpid ember
Just attacking is better the vast majority of the time
wispy mirage
just beat the hydra on my 23 run with shield and got a question, is it only me or is shiled vastly better then the rest? bow and spear are pretty clos in power to each other and sword is pretty weak. so i‘m wondering if sord is really that bad or there is some trick to it.
copper berry
People think the shield is really good but problem is it can fall off later
The bow is far and away my favorite
I was able to get a 12 min run with it, idk if you could go faster with shield (not that the game is about speed)
high tusk
shield can deflect with its attack and charged attack that allow to relocate yourself from mobs, so it's really great
I though that maybe sword should allow you to strike while moving in any direction, with the exception of the third strike that is longer that would fix your movement toward where you're striking at (in order to "push back" your enemies).
hot yoke
Figuring out that you can dash in with the sword->special->dash out, with deflect on special, made the sword considerably less painful for me
But it does feel weaker
I think it's because the animations on the sword are about as long as the rest, but it doesn't have any secondary characteristics
crude basin
rip shield ):
pulsar loom
Speaking of cast attacks, does anyone actually use them regularly?
crude basin
jk but now i wont be able to spam deflects on meg
velvet quest
casts have a small interrupt, don't they?
rancid sundial
But now I wanna try out the rebalance
hot yoke
Moose: with the ares upgrade, cast attacks are amazing
hard holly
Well, shield nerf makes sense
hot yoke
@pulsar loom that is
hard holly
Bit odd that Sword didnt get a buff
pulsar loom
Ares... which one is that again? I almost always forget them by name
hot yoke
It turns your cast into a bouncing whirling death pool
velvet quest
oh yeah that one's so nice
hot yoke
That you don't even have to kill enemies it hits
limpid ember
Shield nerf makes it feel like it will be bad now
hot yoke
To pick back up the charges
limpid ember
Seems a bit excessive
hot yoke
I went in with 4 charges and basically just cast that and ran away while it mowed through everything
pastel jolt
only way to know is to try it and test it
hot yoke
Yeah no point in complaining without testing
fierce gate
is the bow really bad or am I just using it poorly?
uneven shuttle
The bow is the best. You need to use dash-attacks.
hot yoke
Like NEED to
Take the trait in the mirorr that buffs them, the dash->crit boon/upgrade if you can
autumn tapir
Aphrodite's cast is very good
uneven shuttle
It charges in 0.4 seconds after a dash, instead of 0.6
Also gets way more damage boosts
hot yoke
And then the basic problem with the bow at that stage is it doesn't have pass through so swarms of enemies are..problematic
But that's a seperate issue
uneven shuttle
There's a pass-through weapon upgrade
hot yoke
and quite solvable
uneven shuttle
But I prefer the 3-shot one
rich lantern
Gold is key to deep runs! For sure underrated
autumn tapir
I seem to only get darkness from blood gates
turbid needle
i find gold not that much impactfull
autumn tapir
Gold is so useful for buying Centaur Hearts and healing items
hot yoke
GOld starts becoming more and more of a factor later
I notice the further I get the more I'm like 'damn I wish I had gold'
limpid ember
A god boon being 200 gold from shop means i would need at least 200 gold to want to take that path over boon room
rich lantern
@limpid ember But a god boon, healing, and pom all in one room with no combat is priceless
turbid needle
tho the decor items are great
rich lantern
hahaha
uneven shuttle
I kinda feel like dash-attacks are a must for any build, because of the guaranteed crit boon
Which seems to stack geometrically with other boons?
pastel jolt
the problem with that is that you need power to make it through far enough to the point where gold becomes important
pulsar loom
I tend to be annoyed when gold is the reward. And the blood gates almost always seem like a bad idea
high tusk
I happend to have 3 poseidons upgrades that increase room rewards, I turned massivly rich and could afford most of the shop encounter
hot yoke
All of them stack multiplictatively, AE
limpid ember
@rich lantern ive never gottem mre than just 75 gold from blood gate
uneven shuttle
Yeah, that's what I figured.
autumn tapir
blood gates are only really worth it if you maxed the +3hp per room so you tick 6hp off the cost
uneven shuttle
If it were linear, the multi-boon stacking wouldn't be so crazy on the bow
hot yoke
You only tick off 3
Sadly
Because you don't get 3 hp for going through the blood gate->the blood gate room
Just 3 on the followup
limpid ember
Im pretty sure you do
turbid needle
you actually do
pastel jolt
yeah you do? i see the little number when zag drops into the gate
hot yoke
Hmm. I was pretty sure on that because I was actively disapointed by it
rich lantern
@limpid ember Darkness should be an option in there
pastel jolt
i've gtten darkness from a chaos room before i think.
autumn tapir
I only get darkness from Chaos
limpid ember
Entirely possible. Ive only taken 3 blood gates, got gold every time and decided theyre not worth taking
high tusk
I usually get in the chaos and found like 1/2 times darknes and gold in there
autumn tapir
Darkness is the worst reward, you don't get a lot from it in Chaos
limpid ember
When most the time i dont lose more than 10hp in a room fight
uneven shuttle
I only ever go to chaos if the rooms ahead are both bad choices
rich lantern
That's the gamble!
hot yoke
I have also learned to shy away from the chests unless i'm -sure- I have a solid weapon layout
pulsar loom
Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on me again. Fool me a third time, I don't want to do this anymore.
uneven shuttle
If anything it seems like an anti-gamble; instead of doing a challenge where you might lose health for a reward, you instead just spend a small amount of health for one
autumn tapir
so what are your favorite keepsakes, so far I'm partial to Cerberus' where you get 25 extra hp
hot yoke
I've been going with more money
hollow jewel
ok are most of yall using kbm or controller
hot yoke
I want all the decorations, sue me
pulsar loom
I have used that one mostly as well. I have a hard time remembering which NPCs I have given the gifts to, so have wasted some on repeats
pastel jolt
i have used controller and cerberus keepsake since i started
hot yoke
Moose: you can look that up at any time, you know
uneven shuttle
I start with Aphrodite or Artemis (3x dash attack damage OP). Depending on what I get in the first area, I transition to a different one.
pulsar loom
Yeah, it says which gift is from which person
But when you're there with that person, have to remember their names. Only a few do I recognize from school.
hot yoke
Nope
exotic hazel
If you check codex, each char has a heart
hot yoke
You can back out, and look in the codex
exotic hazel
Heart with present means gifted
pulsar loom
Codex? Is that in the menu somewhere?
exotic hazel
Or hold c
uneven shuttle
@hollow jewel I've been using both. I'd say the keyboard + mouse is better, except that the auto-lock sensitivity seems a bit off. I should post feedback about having the option to adjust the auto-lock area...
pulsar loom
Ah. Still found it odd you could gift to a person multiple times and get nothing for it
pulsar loom
I assumed multiple gifts would improve the reward or something
hot yoke
I do not know what happens when you hit it.
It's possible that occurs
The 'will give you something at this level' is clarly indicated
As is how many gifts you've given, and how many they'll accept from you
hollow jewel
@uneven shuttle i agree
hollow totem
Whats the best god buff to aim for with Sword?
pulsar loom
It not being clear felt bad is all
hollow totem
Or spear
hot yoke
Honestly that there -is- an in game lookup
limpid ember
I really like posiedon with spear
hot yoke
Maybe it could show up in some fashion when you're looking at the boon, too, but..
I think ares is my favorite go to buff to hope to get the specail upgrade
Failing that, the 'do damage later' traits is very good on spear, sword, or bow
Err, are. Depends what specifically they're buffing, though
tight sequoia
Got an epic ares on the main attack of the bow, felt reallyyyyy good
hot yoke
Anyone unlocked everything yet?
With keys, I mean?
I have no idea what happens in that case
hollow totem
I have
hot yoke
DO you stop getting keys?
hot yoke
So maybe ther's a use case for them later somehow?
pulsar loom
Hmm neither C nor left bumper are opening a codex
hot yoke
You do have to -get- the codex, I think achilles gives it to you
tight sequoia
They will be more weapons to unlock with keys i think
tough lagoon
hey got a question here for you guys, when you get a boon with epic choices and normal choices, do you usually go with the epic boon or the normal boon if you find that you like the normal effect better ?
hot yoke
I almost always right now go with epic
Because I figure 'I should try to learn to like this'
woeful sigil
I chose most useful
hot yoke
And I don't care much about failing a run
tight sequoia
I go with the normal if it's for an attack i never use, like most specials
woeful sigil
Anything that stops your dash is rarely ideal
pearl willow
lol had an epic version of zeus 'thorns' effect, put up the shield and the 2nd boss essentially instakilled itself after the second invuln when it fired it's projectiles at me
uneven shuttle
It really depends what I'm going for. As an example, if I had it show me an Epic Dash boon from poseidon, and a normal boon for Attack and Magic, I would choose the Magic one: I'd rather wait for better Attack and Dash boons (this is assuming I'm not playing as a mage).
hot yoke
If I were going to spam the most hardcore completes, I'd always go with the best for my skillset
But since I'm still in the exploring portion of my enjoyment, I -like- trying strange stuff
woeful sigil
Wait, the thunderbotl when hit applies when you're blocking?
hot yoke
So hey, i get an epic, it's a terrrible trait, let's see if I can make this work
velvet quest
how do y'all handle hordes with the bow? like rooms w/ 4 numbskull spawners
hot yoke
Um..a lot of prayer.
limpid ember
Zeus epic where he damaged units that hit you seems really good. Started at like 150 dmg for me
velvet quest
yeah i tend to get murdered real quick when i try that
timing is hard
i got the nyx keepsake now which i think might help w/ that
hot yoke
It's hard unless you have tripple shot or somethign else
uneven shuttle
Assuming you have a decent weapon upgrade, it should still be no problem. Dash + attack instakills armored numbskulls pretty early
velvet quest
i like the bow a lot i just feel i always get punished hard for not having any good CC
uneven shuttle
weapon upgrade, you fire 3 arrows instead of 1
hot yoke
Don't forget that the cast timers for your 'shot' attack are such that you can fire off the standard attack/bow
Artemis
err
Aphrodite
Sorry, it's love goddess
Anyway, you can fire off the bow standard attack immedately followed by your other attack
That can help you at least get two shots in a row which helps
uneven shuttle
Ocean's bounty also seems to increase max HP
managed to get up to ~250HP by the end of one run where I picked it up
hushed ledge
It increases centaur heart HP rewards, which makes it really good
uneven shuttle
Ah, that'd do it. Combined with the extra cash to buy more of them
tight sequoia
btw spear upgrade giving him health leach but reduced health by 50% seems bugged
took 2 health uprgade and got 44 max health instead of 50 health
crude basin
am i supposed to not be able to dash right after taking damage cause it really makes this hydra fight impossible
i get hit once then i just cant move while it wails on me with the rest of its projectiles
hazy portal
yoooooooo
obsidian brook
Finally cleared Hydra, twice in a row actually
rancid sundial
Alright, time to get in some post-shield nerf play.
Looking forward to developing a new strat
exotic hazel
As long as the damage mitigation is still there, it should still be great
Deflect just sped things up
limpid ember
The deflect was so good against the skulls though
Just back into a corner and hold attack, and they would all suicide into you
autumn tapir
shield is still very strong, but spear is more of a contender
rancid sundial
also the damage buff to deflect doesn't exist anymore, which was the upgrade I got the most use out of
yeah, shield is still strong, but this is enough to no longer make it the obvious choice for me which is cool
hushed ledge
Spear is fun, but you need to have a resilient space bar
lyric geyser
Is Nyx's gift meant for you to clear environmental obstacles as well?
I found myself jumping over pits while dashing
pastel jolt
you can jump pits anyway
autumn tapir
that was always a thing
pastel jolt
i abuse it so much with the elite louts
lyric geyser
Ahh i see so you're just ghosting past enemies?
hot yoke
You can't jump if you decide to take ares's dash
FOllowup
Never take ares's dash
THat is one of the few things that will actively harm your ability to play
It either needs a rebalance or simply to be changed
hushed ledge
Never take ares or pos dash
autumn tapir
ares cast, on the other hand, is quite nice
hot yoke
At least the posidon one has some minimal pushback on it
Ares cast is borderline broken good
pastel jolt
i took athena dash and it got me killed so bad on meg
hot yoke
Ares cast + 4 charges (I was trying it out) was basically cast this, dash around for a little while, collect, repeat. Nothing ever gets close enough to you to hurt you because you spend the entire time on the other side of the screen
autumn tapir
athena's dash is pretty terrible also
hushed ledge
It's amazing
tight sequoia
Athena's dash with the 300% dmg reflect from shield upgrade is busted
hot yoke
aphrodite's dash is the best, I find. The damage is minimal but it's full speed and can hit thigns twice.
hushed ledge
Athena's dash removes the risk of the the normal dash
Artemis is top tier, Athena very close behind
hot yoke
EVENTUALLy you will have to do somethign else to kill things
pastel jolt
any dash "upgrade" that makes you stop at the end of the dash for longer than normal is an upgrade i do not want
analog jewel
that's my issue with Surge
crude basin
made it to hydra twice with spear and still haven’t beaten it 😤
analog jewel
btw does the shield still deflect during bull rush?
hushed ledge
You can cancel out of pos/ares dash, but they're still bad
pastel jolt
it does not deflect, but it does defend
so you don't take damage if you defend against a shot, but you won't be launching it back
analog jewel
for the charge and the rush itself?
autumn tapir
Zeus' cast is exceedingly powerful
pastel jolt
oh, during the rush i have no idea
analog jewel
I know it doesn't reflect while charging, I wasn't sure if the change also applied to the rush
well I can definitely test it
hushed ledge
Each run, one weapon randomly gets it
tight sequoia
I weapon have it each run
limpid ember
In e weapon room, the weapon with darkness swirling around it has it
Its a neat mechanic to help incentivize changing weapons
pulsar loom
Sigh, I think I could have beaten hydra if I didn't have to wait so long for my shield to respawn after it got lost off screen
Turns out Special damage increase x6 is preeettty good.
quaint gale
yeah, losing your shield really kills me in that area
fading herald
The only way I can seem to beat Meg is to just use the shield and run in constant circles and use my special and bounce it off her head
pure ice
that's what I literally just finished doing. Plus a beefed up Ares curse on my special and a Daedalus boon to make my ricochets more powerful
A+++ room clearer
velvet quest
ohhh that makes a lot of sense lmao
i keep getting oofed by the twins it's very annoying
im very bad
limpid ember
@fading herald I use the shield on her too, but I beat her face in with it melee. When she dashes at you dash to the side then dash again behind her
hit her twice, then dash away
fading herald
I don't like using dash against her, the cooldown post dash is too long against the telegraphing of her attacks imo
pure ice
I pretty much just dash to get out of her big purple death pools
fading herald
When she does the circles that drop bombs from the sky thing, once you start dashing you have to keep dashing because the dash -> run transition takes too long and you're almost guranteed a hit.
limpid ember
I take very little dmg against her, it's not bad once you see her patterns
Depends on your dash
Ares and Poseidon dash, yeah
It takes way too long
but the normal dash works find
golden loom
Am I the only one sad about the shield nerf?
limpid ember
I am, it will make skulls not impossible to be damaged by
uneven shuttle
I've been trying out the sword, and I've gotta say, most upgrades for it are bad. Any special-specific ones should be avoided completely; the sword's special attack has way too long of a vulnerable cooldown period.
Of the attack bonus ones, the fast swing / no stab one should ONLY ever be taken if you manage to get a deflection buff for it.; otherwise you'll get destroyed by armored enemies. The single-swing-with-high-damage attack buff doesn't seem to stack with dash attacks, leaving the HP absorption and dash attack ones. But the dash attack one is almost strictly worse than the bow, since it thrusts in the direction of the dash and can't be used while kiting...
I don't get why the sword seems so underwhelming
autumn tapir
mediocre damage, mediocre range, mediocre speed, mediocre upgrades
it doesn't do anything that the other weapons can't do better
uneven shuttle
Or maybe the bow is just way too strong and I'm too used to it.
vague hearth
The special has next to no reason to use outside of meme builds
golden loom
I kind of hate the bow right now. tried a run again after getting way better at playing and upgrading myself.... IT WENT HORRIBLE.
Like, I can 80% power shot it, but it just the only weapon that is limited to "one use equal one enemy being damaged"
autumn tapir
the bow is so bad
vague hearth
The damage isn't worth its speed and lack of range
uneven shuttle
I made a build with deflection dash, deflection special, and 2x damage + large area special
With epic damage upgrade + 3 poms
and it was still bad
limpid ember
Bow is really good, but it needs very specific boons
uneven shuttle
(the sword's special)
limpid ember
I was hitting for 450 piercing
shrewd lantern
Quick shot and athenas dash is quite good on bow
limpid ember
That knocked back
vague hearth
And the combo feels far too much of a commitment in a game where you need to be able to dodge at a moment's notice
uneven shuttle
Bow only needs the crit-dash, specifically. The rest can be improvised.
limpid ember
That was with artemis dodge
pure ice
I feel like picking the bow is an extra big gamble. If you get the right boons its great, but if you don't good luck ever getting out of Tartarus
limpid ember
Basically dodge shoot quick, dodge again shoot etc
golden loom
If something needs very specific runes, it basically means "you kind of need luck"
And sure, lucky runs are fun, but I don't want to wait for a lucky run to have a shot with the bow (pun unintended)
pure ice
also I do not feel sad about the shield nerf. It was amazingly awesome before and its still great now
uneven shuttle
I disagree that the bow is highly RNG dependent. Dash attacks do 70 damage at base (with mirror upgrade)
Meanwhile your sword swings do 10 a piece
autumn tapir
yeah but at least the sword doesn't take an eternity to use
pure ice
I mean I think we can all agree that the sword is trash-tier to begin with
uneven shuttle
The bow just has the most potential for buffing, PLUS great damage and kitting ability
golden loom
sword is not that good as well, but it at least has a way to attack more than one enemy at a time
uneven shuttle
bouncy shield is good but too gimmicky imo
hard holly
The sword is just a worse Spear
shrewd lantern
^
golden loom
Yeah, the spear is great
hard holly
It needs Blade Flurry ot be baseline, the thrust to be a charge attack
uneven shuttle
@golden loom a number of bow upgrades give you multi-target base attacks
hard holly
And the special needs less ending lag
modest dew
shield is easily the best imo
shrewd lantern
One issue i found with the bow was that I found the special was too wide spread
pure ice
sadly, yes, there is approximately zero reason to ever use the sword once you get the spear
uneven shuttle
the special is only really useful for clearing projectiles from the screen
golden loom
@uneven shuttle didn't get any in 3 runs
shrewd lantern
Trying to hit a bunch of numbskulls i fired the special and hit 1
I would want a tighter spread with the option to expand it if possible
hard holly
Special is good with the Athena boon
modest dew
^^
uneven shuttle
No piercing shot? No triple shot?
Super high single target damage is better than CC anyway IMO, so at least you have that option (extra damage on charged shot or extra point blank damage)
I can't imagine not getting ANY of those 4 options
autumn tapir
bow is super feast or famine, but much more often famine
autumn tapir
shield has practically no downsides, it isn't slow, it isn't weak, it isn't short range
hard holly
I mean it is short range if you want to do actual damage
tight sequoia
Bow kinda feels like Monster Hunter's bow, with the dash attacks
hard holly
It just doesnt matter because Shield is just busted
modest dew
actually though
hard holly
Bow is still good though
modest dew
the parry upgrade for the shield makes the entire game a joke
hard holly
Uses the Dash attack darkness upgrade amazingly well
golden loom
@uneven shuttle Yup. I possibly got really bad luck, but again, luck is not how I think the power curve for the weapons should play out
pure ice
shield has a downside once you make it out of Tartarus: Open rooms make your special take forever to return to you
modest dew
yeah true, i dont really use the special too much though
uneven shuttle
I mean, if you get a hammer at all, I'm pretty sure you're guaranteed to have one of those options. Unless there's 7 or more, but I doubt that
golden loom
Didn't get a hammer 😛
uneven shuttle
And if you don't get a hammer, well, that's not on the weapon
golden loom
Yes it is, it forces one singular playstle
style*
and it doesn't work that well on a lot of enemies
like, I got matched up against several skull spawners in one of the first rooms, and sure I didn't take much damage, but it took forever to clean that room
uneven shuttle
Gotta chain dash attacks on them. I don't usually have issues with the skulls
¯_(ツ)_/¯
golden loom
I am reaaally not ruling out the possibility that I am just bad with it
But what I love about the spear and shield is how much flexibility they have in playstyle
turbid needle
Shield special with zeus and/or ares boons can be pretty great, but I have lost count of how many times I died in the second area because my shield took ages to come back...
golden loom
sure, I might not get my favorite boons, but I'll get something interesting that will make me use a different strategy every time
uneven shuttle
Yeah, shield's got 2 styles; bash or throw. And throw is too gimmicky for me.
golden loom
shield got a "plain old attack with no bashing" as well, mixed in with dash
uneven shuttle
I've cleared with shield throw, but it was annoying as anything in the 2nd area
sand breach
pure ice
on the game's main menu. There's a patch notes section
modest dew
thanks @sand breach
pastel jolt
both of those are correct
modest dew
cant believe i didnt see that
golden loom
I liked the shield in the second area
At least until it got nerfed, but I didn't play that one enough
modest dew
oof
golden loom
And my point is mostly that instead of nerfing the shield, the other weapons probably need a boost of some kind that will make their playstyle more diverse
uneven shuttle
Shield throw didn't get nerf'd, so that should be the same
Shield bash was quite strong, I'd say on par with the bow
it got nerf'd
modest dew
cant blame them tbh
golden loom
Oh I'm not blaming anyone XD
turbid needle
when did they remove the deflect for basic shield attack? I could have sworn I was lobbing projectiles back with it just a couple of hours ago
shrewd lantern
If you look at the kit it had(melee, block, deflect, and ranged) it needed it
uneven shuttle
I expect chain-dash-attacks with the bow will get nerf'd at some point, too
golden loom
@turbid needle nerfed
modest dew
there was a patch like 2 hours ago @turbid needle
quaint gale
yeah, dash attack makes the bow great
analog jewel
it's in #hades-patch-notes