combine Spear with Typhoon Strike, the one that knocks enemies back, and you have a Wall Slam machine
#h1-builds-and-combat
autumn tapir
hushed ledge
You're constantly moving, weaving in strikes, sometimes singling an enemy out and stun locking them, and setting up spins if you can, and you've got ranged for the finish
Spear is most aided by dash upgrades
autumn tapir
also don't forget that returning the spear to your hand also does damage
bronze pelican
There are builds I like with all the weapons
bronze pelican
I feel safest with the base spear and shield
untold trellis
What direction is the charge arrow supposed to go after a dash?
rich lantern
@untold trellis That is an interesting question. Where do you WANT it to go?
untold trellis
With mouse and keyboard its so awkward that it goes in the dash direction instead of to mouse cursor
rich lantern
(I agree with you)
hushed ledge
I agree as well
untold trellis
ill send feedback
hushed ledge
Dash attacking is super sweet, although maybe a tad too strong in the case of spear
untold trellis
Just wanted to make sure it wasn't me messing somethign up 😛
high dune
i thought there was a dash toward mouse curser (instead of direction facing) in options for M+KB or does this toggle do nothing at present?
untold trellis
That probably works
high dune
as one would imply either you dash where you are facing, or you dash where your mouse is. on a toggle
untold trellis
but I don't want to dash towards mouse cursor
I want to dash and fire in different directions
hushed ledge
My favourite spear builds are ones where I just boost the damage of the base attack and get dash buffs
hushed ledge
He wants to shoot his arrow from a dash where he's pointing
hushed ledge
While dashing to the side
high dune
yeah so direction pressing not facing was just making sure i understood it
is a good idea, opens up the room a bit strat wise
well, speed wise 😛
untold trellis
I have a really hard time using the bow with the way it currently works
I keep firing in random directions on dashes accidentally
hushed ledge
My problem with the bow is that it has no way of stunlockig
The recharge on the q is too long to stunlock even at point blank
untold trellis
if you do partially charged can you stunlock?
autumn tapir
the bow takes too long to use and for too little value
untold trellis
Intentionally partially charging always feels awkward to me because I keep just not firing instead
untold trellis
Bow is def my worst weapon, which feels surprising bc it should be better than the sword for how i normally play
hushed ledge
Spear has basically the same range as bow tbh
And shield arguably has longer
I feel like sword wants to be a combo weapon
Where you weave together skills
untold trellis
I can't figure out how to effectively use the Sword special. It has such a huge ending lag
dire cedar
It's because we expect the Breaker's Bow with piercing and one-shots, but Hades is a faster game and with a slower bow.
untold trellis
Bow does feel pretty good with the piercing upgrade
wise spear
@rich lantern Question: Is the a particular style of play you guys are avoiding adding to Hades? Cause as it stands most if not all boons are some variation of do X more damage or take X less damage
untold trellis
Being locked into it and not being able to dash for a while feels so bad
wise spear
I agree that the Sword special does feel pretty bad to use even with a boon
hushed ledge
A sweet idea for the sword special would be to have it be different depending on where in the hitchain you use it
rich lantern
@wise spear Not at all. I think it's currently true that Boons are more straightforward, while the Hammer varies playstyle a bit more. In the future boons could certainly be more varied!
I don't think we're avoiding anything per se, though
wise spear
Okay I will give my thoughts in feedback
pastel jolt
i looooove getting the hammer upgrades
the boons are sweet too though i feel like which set of boons you like more differs depending on the style of combat you gravitate towards
hushed ledge
The hammer upgrades for the spear feel a bit lackluster sometimes tbh, but the explosive q one is nice
spiral dock
Shield with Aphrodite bonus on Special (throwing the shield) with several Pom of Power upgrades is DOPE for runs. That combo with the Blade dash from Ares carried me out of Tartarus for the first time.
pastel jolt
also i'm late bc i just tried another run but YES i love the "charge up a spiear-spin and then dash to use it" combo
hushed ledge
It's sooo good
pastel jolt
i hope it's intentional bc it's so much fun and i get to laugh at myself when i mess up and misjudge how far zaggy actually dashes
hushed ledge
You don't use it that much, but it let's you weave spins into the dance
pastel jolt
"you don't use it that much" citation needed, i use it a Lot
hushed ledge
I treat spear as just a constant dance
It's safer usually to just stunlock the enemies
Rather than risk standing still
dire cedar
Is there a wiki yet?
rich lantern
idk?!
dire cedar
I'll try to set one up after I get back from work.
high dune
@hushed ledge do you mainly just dodge with spear and use its quick long range jabs?
high dune
i imagine abusing the spin attack when in cover i.e walls
pastel jolt
i don't tend to throw the spear very much tbh
hushed ledge
Kill them
I throw it for the annoying landmine dudes
Spear is dancing around until you can safely kill an enemy, killing them, dancing more
The 500% shield damage on throw upgrade is really good
high dune
i think ill try the spear dance and spear spin in cover rather than just gung ho running like i have been 🤔 😂
hushed ledge
Yeah you need to stun lock
untold trellis
I didn't realize you could just hold the charge on the shield to deflect everything. That seems too easy
high dune
@untold trellis i was deflecting once and then bull rushing then deflecting again just to make positioning more of a challenge
@hushed ledge the crystals can quickly ruin your day
hushed ledge
Yeah
untold trellis
I was under the impression that only the charge and the normal attack deflected so was timing everything
high dune
so can the bomb bois - i try to leave them to last but now i chase them down like a rabid dog
i refuse to deal with bomb 😂
@untold trellis get deflection +attack bonuses you'll straight up delete any yellow enemy with a block
but go too heavy in to that build you run in to issues on boss
high dune
just got to meg with the spear its more rewarding than shield for sure
but as ive barely upgraded any of my stats and i cant fight out of a paper bag ill stick to shield lool
vague hearth
I was able to beat her with the shield and an ares boon on the special
That was hectic
high dune
i had a shield build and every buff was deflection or dash attack
it deleted rooms
but not her D:
i think my strat was flawed i immediately switched to all adds instead of letting them get hit by me attacking her
stone oyster
i had the athena buff for the bow special
and when she went for the "flood the room with billions of projectiles" attack i sent them right back at her
copper berry
Quick question. If you are using Coronach with the upgrade to shoot 3 shots, then if you get the Boon from Artemis in which you crit after dashing, does it count as 3 attacks or a single attack when you fire 3 arrows.
stone oyster
that is..... a good question
uneven shuttle
Single attack.
They all get the damage boost.
It's, uh, good
(moving this because I didn't realize this was a different channel):
I just buffed the dash-attack to absolute nonsense levels of damage / armor penetration
(with triple shot or piercing)
2x damage from permanent upgrade
2.5x damage from epic damage boost (with reflection)
3x from (guaranteed) crits
1.5x to armor from crits (i.e. all of your shots)
3x from triple shot
Oh, and backstabs, when you get them
copper berry
if only you got the 40% extra from cyclops
uneven shuttle
Cyclops?
copper berry
cyclops bacon, gives 40% extra dmg on attacks for X encounters
uneven shuttle
Oh right, forgot about the bacon.
I was using that on the (current) final boss, too. I took off a massive chunk of HP with every single shot.
2 shots to take out a head.
In comparison, I can make it to the final boss with Shield (or the other weaons, if I focus more on magic), but nothing has come close to the effectiveness of nonsense damage bow.
I don't understand the trident/spear weapon. Using it feels like I'm playing on hardmode.
copper berry
ive basically been using bow since i unlocked it, damn I love it
hushed ledge
It's got really good range, and easy stun lock
copper berry
I think spear could be neat too, I will try it out sometime. but for now im lovin the BOW
copper berry
whats Q, the special?
hushed ledge
And the base damage isn't good enough
copper berry
i play on xbox controller
hushed ledge
The special
copper berry
its really good if you get either 2x bolts, deflect, or something like zeus chain lightning
vanilla it is dooky
but its also really good if you are against the louts or the big club guys
neat spear
the shield is cool too imo. got some good run with it ^^
hushed ledge
Vanilla spear is fun always though tbh
uneven shuttle
With the bow, charged dash-attacks are king. I only use the special for clearing / reflecting projectiles
copper berry
charge dash attacks 
its also decent if you get a poseidon run
and get the push back on your special, and then the wall slam stun or dmg
hushed ledge
The spear's spindash is busted tbh
copper berry
its especially good in asphodel, since you just constantly push the skeleboys into the lava and they get rekt
hushed ledge
Also spear needs no setup to stunlock
uneven shuttle
How is it against the bosses?
copper berry
btw quick tip boys, after Meg when you get into that little safe area between floors, switch out your relic for the dog collar. It will let you get more heals from the fountain
Of course if you want to keep using the same gift, dont swap it or you cant go back to it
west nymph
I gotta say, the bow feels inconsistent sometimes, reported a bug about it before. You cant queue inputs to dash to different directions, like you cant charge, hold a direction, and press space because that will move you just forwards instead of whatever direction you were pressing. It works if you press directions and space at the same time. And you can charge into dash, but if you fire and dash instantly after, you will not dash because of the downwind of the firing animation locking movement I guess.
hushed ledge
You can actually heal to full by switching constantly to and from collar
uneven shuttle
You can't queue dash inputs period, gotta hit the button during an extremely small input window at the end of the dash. It's an issue with the game in general.
hushed ledge
You can if you don't close the thing
uneven shuttle
I don't see what's inconsistent about the bow
hushed ledge
You just click back and forth
copper berry
ooh, smart
vague hearth
Has the collar thing been mentioned in the feedback channel?
hushed ledge
Yes
copper berry
TBH I rarely use the bow as a ranged weapon, unless I get rough luck with the Daedalus upgrades.
hushed ledge
You can definitely buffer inputs in the game
copper berry
I either get tripleshot and shotgun the enemies, the 350% point blank dmg, or the double special arrows
and then you just jump behind the enemy and blow em up
copper berry
btw has anyone tried to max out the epic boon bonus in the mirror
uneven shuttle
There are 3 good bow upgrades, so that's not much of an issue.
copper berry
yeah
Plus all the lovely upgrades from Athena/Aphrodite/Poseidon which just give you straight up dmg bonus
and Artemis who lets you crit for effective dmg up
hushed ledge
Being reliant on upgrades bugs me
uneven shuttle
And it's pretty easy to make yourself get the dash-crit upgrade
End of the game is absolutely reliant on upgrades. Bad luck can cause you to deal several times less damage, for instance.
Then there was that one run where I got a 52% less damage taken upgrade from Aphrodite
copper berry
Getting to asphodel with base bow dmg makes me want to die
one run i ended up relying solely on the lightning dash upgrade from zeus
hushed ledge
Base dmg bow makes me want to die in general, I feel so vunerable
Lightning dash is nuts
copper berry
and then i died to the last boss, as you may guess
uneven shuttle
Base damage bow dash-attack at least 1-shots numbskulls
copper berry
I had lighting dash and lightning revenge, but not quite enough health to tank it out :p
yeah
uneven shuttle
But you're basically guaranteed to get an upgrade.
copper berry
i think the fact taht you are USUALLY guaranteed to get one makes the runs in which you dont feel that much worse, yknow?
uneven shuttle
I mean, so long as you get 2 upgrade rooms of any kind, you are guaranteed to get a damage boost option.
Though no guarantee of a rare or epic one.
hushed ledge
I think shield is definitely the best weapon rn
uneven shuttle
IMO it's:
Bow >> Shield >> Sword =? trident
copper berry
So far it sounds like there is a lot of personal preference in the weapon rankings
uneven shuttle
Just because of the damage output differences
hushed ledge
Imo it's Shield >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spear >>>>> Sword >>>> Bow
spark breach
has anyone beaten meg yet? any tips? always get stomped on near the end I've been trying all frigging day
uneven shuttle
6000j, I really suggest you make a dash-attack build with the bow
copper berry
pasting from earlier
so she basically has 5 things she does
charge, easy to see
whip spin, easy to see
the big aoe bullet storm
and then the best ones are when she shoots the pillars under you that blow up
and when she goes to the center of the room to summon mobs
hushed ledge
I'll try
neat spear
killy, deflect with shield and strike back, she's vulnerable when she cast aoe too
copper berry
so you dodge her charge, and then you can hit her a bit
when she goes to summon mobs, she runs to the center of the room
during this time she does NOTHING to you, so thats FREE dmg
hushed ledge
But aiming it will be weird, unless the bonus applies to arrows started charging after the dash?
copper berry
do you use KB+M ?
uneven shuttle
make sure to hit the charged-shot as often as possible.
Yes, it applies to charged shots.
copper berry
I use Xbox, the auto aim might be a thing that helps a bunch
also getting the powershot timing is helpful of course
hushed ledge
See I saw "one second" and assumed that wouldn't apply to chargea
copper berry
thats a 33% dmg increase on average
hushed ledge
I'm pretty good on charge shot timing
copper berry
if you are talking about the artemis thing, it does indeed count
uneven shuttle
That's why it's so good; because it deals crazy high single-hit damage at a really quick rate.
copper berry
I have a bonkers run right nwo with triple shot, artemis' dash crit, and aphrodite giving me bonus dmg+
uneven shuttle
Yeah, that's the build I'm taking about
hushed ledge
Bow seems to be feast or famine tbh, either you get it or you don't
uneven shuttle
There are a few options for everything, but it is a little RNG dependent (as in, it's possible but unlikely that you don't get what you need).
vague hearth
I enjoy the shield because it feels like a very versatile tool
untold trellis
Sword vs Slam Dancers continues to make me sad
uneven shuttle
Shield is really cool, only reason I consider the bow to be better is because of the crazy high damage stacking.
Shield has way more utility.
vague hearth
I was unaware of that and just enjoyed smacking and using the special
hushed ledge
Shield is busted at base
vague hearth
Thanks to dead cells my parry timing's not too bad
uneven shuttle
Shield's definitely better early, but it doesn't scale as well.
hushed ledge
You can just sit there
hushed ledge
Shields advantage is in being invincible
vague hearth
Gotta flex on the God of the Underworld somehow
uneven shuttle
I had one run where I picked up the 5x deflection damage; got into a 1-minute countdown room, sat in a corner, held the shield up, and enemies just killed themselves attacking me
hushed ledge
Yep
uneven shuttle
The active angle is <90 degrees though, so it's definitely not a perfect strat
hushed ledge
For the 1 minute countdown you can just sit there and wait it out
vague hearth
I like the special because of the utility it can have paired up with boons such as ares' or athena's
hushed ledge
Shields special feels bad to use, because you lose the shield for an indeterminate amount of time
hushed ledge
Ye
spiral dock
Blade dash makes up for no shield, plus having an extra cast saves the day for that.
hushed ledge
Which is still a non-0 amount of time
vague hearth
I use the special and then use dash attacks and/or casts
uneven shuttle
Shield's special is useful for getting those bomb-dropping pots, at least.
hushed ledge
Vs spear, where you can just call it back
uneven shuttle
When you can't find the things
Big issue is that it can fly off screen and stays gone for a looong time
spiral dock
Right, but if you plan your throws, the amount of time you're without the shield is negligible.
hushed ledge
Yes but planning them is time you aren't cleaning up effeciently, and sometimes the shield just does its own thing
spiral dock
Eh. Different strokes.
vague hearth
Especially in early game where I can combo the shield throw and cast to oneshot Brimstone
spiral dock
Personaly, spear is my least favorite weapon.
Just doesn't feel like it's ever worth it.
hushed ledge
Why not?
spiral dock
Maybe I've never gotten the right combo of boons and hammer buffs, but I feel like I can't do enough damage. Stun lock is good for single target, but spin to in is completely interrupted if you get hit.
hushed ledge
Charge the spin then dash in
spiral dock
Yeah. It's the only saving grace for the spin.
vague hearth
That and spawning enemies
neat spear
thx for the tip i'm actually trying the spear x)
hushed ledge
It changes it from risky to pretty safe
spiral dock
Maybe I'll get better with it, but I can only make it half as far with the spear as I can with the shield on average.
copper berry
@uneven shuttle alright ima ask your opinion. What do you think is better in this situation? I just started a run and I have an Artemis boon that could be either 60% crit chance, or crit after dash.
hushed ledge
Spear is a really fast weapon
neat spear
the spear has a good range and its fast yeah
copper berry
Feels weird seeing the epic choice, and not getting to take it :p
vague hearth
I'd say crit chance
hushed ledge
Crit after dash on spear I feel
spiral dock
I almost always pick crit after dash.
spiral dock
Yep. Takes away the randomness.
hushed ledge
The times you aren't dashing constantly are when you've got a stunlock and it doesn't matter
vague hearth
I found the crit chance makes the regular attack a decent stun-lock tool
spiral dock
It's super easy to cancel dash into attack with virtually every weapon.
copper berry
@uneven shuttle also if you want, you could come peep my stream as I bang out some bow runs. I would love to put our noggins together to see what we can come up with for some top tier bow builds.
hushed ledge
The regular attack is already an insane stun lock tool
uneven shuttle
Another important point: You can only pick up 1 attack-buff boon.
If you take the crit-dash, you can stack it with a +damage boon.
But crit-dash and crit-attack boons don't synergize.
copper berry
ah I wasnt sure if the crit on attack counter
vague hearth
Ahhh true
copper berry
counted^ since last game I had crit dash and an attack boon
very good point you made
hushed ledge
The spear wants to get bonuses for the stab, and crit after dash
spiral dock
Favorite boons so far? (Not counting Artemis, since we all know crit-dash is bomb)
uneven shuttle
God I regret not recording my last bow run now
hushed ledge
You have very little downtime with spear
copper berry
yeah I recorded the end of my last bow run, but it doesnt sound as bonkers as yours was
vague hearth
My favourite is probably the chain lightning cast
copper berry
Aphrodite far and away. Weakness AND bonus dmg to weak targets makes her top tier imo
hushed ledge
Favourite boon with spear is probably lightning, although I like Aphrodite
copper berry
secondary would be either ares curse since it lets me play a very kitey style, or also chain lightning
hushed ledge
Aphrodite needs both a weak granting boon and another one for bonus damage to pop off though
uneven shuttle
I had an epic damage boost (with deflection) + 4 upgrades to it, epic deflection on the special, crit dash, and other nonsense i don't even remember
hushed ledge
The posidon buffed room drops one is great
vague hearth
I especially like the chain lightning because it allows me to make more use of the casts because it applies to the last enemy hit, which in a lot of cases will be weaker
hushed ledge
It buffs centaur hearts
hushed ledge
Yeah, I had a rare one and got 43 HP hearts
vague hearth
I like the athena special boon too
warm dagger
Aphrodite's cast is pretty OP
hushed ledge
Which one is the Athena boon again?
uneven shuttle
Aphrodite's cast gives me flashbacks to Transistor
spiral dock
With shield, my favorite is Aphrodite's throw bonus with as many Poms as I can get on it, Ares for the dash, and then Athena for basic attach damage up. Daedalus for bouncing damage bonus and again for max bounce targets.
warm dagger
oh, all the dash replacement skills are horrible
vague hearth
Aphro's cast is good in the beginning, but if you don't have a decent range tool it's more of a bane than anything
warm dagger
Poseidon attack with shield is hilarious
untold trellis
the reflect dash is good
neat spear
reflect one is good
untold trellis
it doesnt matter that its slower bc you reflect
vague hearth
It's just a yeet disk with poseidon
spark breach
is there some kind of secret I'm missing!? still can't beat this dumb cow! I've tried everey strategy every weapon every combination of buff under the figging sun but meg just won't die! how the hell have people beaten her!?
uneven shuttle
Poseidon shield is amazing
I wonder what happens if you apply the 'no more knockback, 3x damage' upgrade and poseidon boon at the same time
warm dagger
I'm talking about like Ares dash, it removes your triple dash and is worse for quick dashing. I never take them anymore
uneven shuttle
@spark breach Try dash-attacks with the bow. Get the crit-dash-attack upgrade from Artemis. EZ mode.
And just stack damage.
grand cave
honestly the shield feels like the strongest weapon all around, i think it should be nerfed tbh as it feels like a run winner
vague hearth
It's a battle of attrition more than a slugfest. Prioritise survival unless you've got some insane build.
copper berry
Killy come watch my run and you can see how I beat her. Ill pm you link.
warm dagger
@spark breach make sure you're dodging her attacks correctly. You have to dodge sideways, you can't dodge through her
hushed ledge
Ares dash and posidon dash feel like downgrades
vague hearth
That's because a blink is just infinitely better than a dash
uneven shuttle
I feel the same way, just because of the lack of input queue
hushed ledge
Buffering is a thing
uneven shuttle
There is none though
uneven shuttle
On the poseidon and other special dash-replacements, there definitely isn't.
hushed ledge
You just interrupt the dash
uneven shuttle
That doesn't work.
spiral dock
There is definitely a delay if you dash->attack->dash or dash->pause->dash
hushed ledge
It's because there's a mini-stun if the dash is fully used
uneven shuttle
You have to hit it right at the end of the dash
otherwise it doesn't happen, and you have to wait a second on the ground before you can dash again
I don't think it's just an interruption, but I could be wrong. It doesn't feel like it extends the duration.
untold trellis
What's the strategy for Hydra. I get super overwhelmed the 2nd time it spawns the extra heads
Also can the main Hydra's purple projectiles not be deflected?
spark breach
well I guess I just suck at this game,. still no success against meg.
neat spear
artemis dash is pretty powerfull when u do spear charge + dash
hollow totem
neat spear
i have difficult to deal with meg with the spear
high dune
whats after meg?
shrewd lantern
second area and boss
neat spear
hydra
shrewd lantern
Willouu what kind of build are you trying to run with the spear?
high dune
ah fair
shrewd lantern
I found that she was actually pretty easy to poke with the spear
high dune
was thinking, ive got to her 4x in a row if i just about die to her and thers a lot more after it im in for a ride
shrewd lantern
The next area is much harder too 
neat spear
depend of what i got, i think i should play more safe actually
it was much easier with the shield x)
high dune
@shrewd lantern hi yes hello glutton for punishment yes 👀
shrewd lantern
I found spear is quite nice with curse
against meg you just constantly proc curse and run away
Almost perfected her with that
frail agate
i found meg really easy with shield even going in blind
just deflect all her attacks 
dont have to worry about dodging when holding down lmb will take care of it for you
shrewd lantern
^^
high dune
@frail agate i spent too long staring at her adds 👀
shrewd lantern
This is why shield needs a nerf
shrewd lantern
I got to chamber 24 with my first shield run, with no good boons
frail agate
the screen does get very cluttered towards the end of the fight but
high dune
@frail agate its why i think a few deflection buffs and some situational awareness you'll wreck faces
neat spear
adds are spawning infinitly no ?
frail agate
the shield block doesnt have any limits on how many attacks it can block
so as long as nothing sneaks up behind you
neat spear
yeah, the shield should be nerf imo
high dune
so get deflection + attack and hold a direction youll win Rooms
high dune
but you may not in future win bosses
high dune
just negate
frail agate
yeah
frail agate
its way too strong as is
at least, compared to the other weapons
ive really enjoyed spear and charging up the attack so you can smack mobs right as they spawn
neat spear
it should deflect damage only when its a counter, like a parry i think
queen ice
Other than the held reflecting, I've found the shield the most interesting to use
and I'd rather other weapons were brought up to its level than it be brought down
frail agate
its really fun but its outclassing the other weapons imo
queen ice
yes, not arguing that
frail agate
sooo satisfying to deflect and then shield charge and obliterate things
queen ice
I just would prefer other buffs to shield nerfs
neat spear
the special skill for the spear isnt rly usefull imo
frail agate
the throw?
neat spear
yeah
queen ice
I like the knockback buff on primary attack to get wall bash every hit
high dune
i am thinking maybe it needs more clarifiaction on items before you buy them. you are left with "this costs X, this costs Y so must be better. hey this is Z"
frail agate
i stacked a bunch of backstab + damage modifiers using the mirror and
neat spear
the normal strike has already a good range
frail agate
big damage
high dune
but you start with a weapon with no visual stats
frail agate
since you backstab when you recall the thrown spear
neat spear
yeah but its slower
frail agate
true
high dune
so sword spear bow shield etc, each cost different keys but no telling what they do until you buy?
frail agate
its useful for kiting things, like the rooms with the two skeletons that throw stuff or hop on you
yep @high dune
queen ice
Are successful builds usually very focused on one form of attack? Like all buffing m1, or all buffing special, or cast?
frail agate
but to be fair, its not that many keys. i got them all unlocked within the first hour of gameplay
high dune
ive not used the sword since i got my 3rd key for example
queen ice
All my successful builds were all in like that
frail agate
uhh
vague hearth
So what is the sword good for?
frail agate
my favorite build is probably shield + deflect on dash
and deflect on regular attack
block ... all the things ..
spiral dock
@@vague hearth Unlcoking other weapons. 
high dune
+1 if on shield keep deflect everything
vague hearth
Oof
queen ice
I like shield + *3 damage no knockback + other damage boosts. Particularly crit after dash
frail agate
there was also one run where i got the 300% deflect damage or something ridiculous like that
spiral dock
I don't abuse shield block, so I'm fine if the Nerf that. Just leave everything about it alone please.
high dune
i swear ive not used cast yet
frail agate
i didn't find myself using cast all that much
rich lantern
@queen ice They may be more viable soooooooooon
shrewd lantern
rich lantern
The true spoiler
queen ice
Can you say what the change is?
spiral dock
I used it on adds during Meg fight while shield was bouncing. That's about it.
frail agate
high dune
it doesnt seem strong enough when you consider static time, projectile time, movement after cast when you compare to the shields....anything
so i just carry on ignoring it, when upgrades come in to play
rich lantern
I'm not sure what it will be yet!
frail agate
honestly with any of the weapons ... i always picked up upgrades for other stuff, not the cast
rich lantern
Of it will be
shrewd lantern
I don't know if I am biased against it, but I think the shield just has too good of a kit compared to the other weapons, it need to be nerfed 
vague hearth
Yeah, if it was a bit less committal to using it
neat spear
poseidon dash, never again xD
frail agate
is artemis supposed to be more rare to find btw?
ive only seen her upgrades once in all of my runs
queen ice
^I like poseidon dash
frail agate
(~20 attempts so far)
high dune
can we all bash the sword instead of the shield? i like my shield? its not op (it is so op)
queen ice
@frail agate sounds like luck
frail agate
😦
high dune
😂
rich lantern
@frail agate Noooo randomness is just random 😦
dire mason
Ahhh Poseidon Dash. Love that surfer boy.
queen ice
I've only had athena twice
shrewd lantern
I never get Ares and it makes me sad
frail agate
😦
high dune
i got hit in the middle of poseidon dash and that was enough to make me cry and go back to shield 👀
shrewd lantern
curse does so well with my play style
vague hearth
I've got zeus three times I think
frail agate
ahh
high dune
ive had my success with zeus. pure attack builds
frail agate
zeus is fun ... love the chain lightning suff
neat spear
i guess there is some cool build with poseidon dash but it makes you so vulnerable :x
high dune
promotes aggro
frail agate
its such a nice boost to weapons that dont otherwise have a lot of cleave damage
shrewd lantern
aphrodite
queen ice
!feedback consider weighting the probability of god's appearing such that gods that haven't been seen for a while are more likely to show up
shrewd lantern
especially weak enemies + extra damage to week enemies
queen ice
no feedback in this room?
high dune
yes, you're always long distance dodging doing full damage so you will weaken them all
frail agate
oop
copper berry
I was getting 788 dmg powershots on my bow just now, I love it
well 525 without backstab
frail agate
omg
high dune
@queen ice feedback room just below this one
frail agate
what buffs did you have Dino?
copper berry
Daedalus for 250% dmg powershot, something like 45-60% dmg from athena, dash crit from Artemis, Skull earring.
frail agate
also side note but i love the character designs so much
and personalities
👌
i know people are more focused on gameplay and mechanics but zagreus is a great protagonist
copper berry
Dusa is great I love her.
Dang I just realized. I didn't even have the amazing 100% bonus dmg from dash attacks
frail agate
quality writing and voice acting
copper berry
that would just be bonkers
bold dome
ayyy finally beat the hydra
stygian blade w/ 200% nova damage & range upgrade + athena special damage up and deflect
tall gulch
The mirror bonus to dash attacks is only off of base damage @copper berry
In case you were expecting insane damage numbers from it
tall gulch
The highest is shield with 25
tall gulch
Yeah
Also i don't know that the perk works all the well with bow anyways, would have to test it out
copper berry
nah it does im using it right now
Doesnt work for your charge dash attack in instantly applying the damage, but you dash a ton anyway
especially if you get artemis
neat spear
i have an insane build right now* x)
Spear; +75% attack damage, artemis dash ( critical hit after a dash ), +108% critical damage
high dune
god damn
neat spear
charge attack + dash => 600 damage XD
neat spear
meg didnt like it
copper berry
I just had a nutty build
Aphrodite dmg bonus
upgraded to lvl 6, so it was 175%
Plus skull earring and point blank shot on bow
I killed the hydra on phase 2
he only spawned heads once :p
late gale
So this is obviously an early impression but man the shield seems broken
It's so good.
neat spear
survival room are so punishing
hazy portal
fam whats with the coins? can't find a use for them. pretty early on though
copper berry
for shops
hazy portal
do they come later?
copper berry
just spawn during the dungeon
late gale
They'll be the orbs with a little skull
hazy portal
ooohhhh
copper berry
yeah, looks kinda like a golden skull, if that will help remind you of money
copper berry
Usually unless you have about 200 coins, or you are low on HP and need some health, not really worth to go for em.
neat spear
died again on hydra, only like 2 hit to win u_u thanks survival room just before the boss
pulsar loom
Does anyone else just spam the shield throw to get through everything?
hazy portal
man.. had the poseidon cast upgrade. that thing was ridiculously amazing
frail agate
I spam the shield block to get through everything
late gale
Yeah when it gets real spicy. But then I inevitably forget that I can't guard if I've thrown it and I get hit a ton.
spiral dock
I tend to build around the shield throw as my primary attack, especially on over shield enemies. I hardly ever use block.
uneven shuttle
Does that work on Meg / post-Meg?
Because I found it efficient for clearing rooms, but not for Meg or high HP mobs
spiral dock
It does for me. I try hard to get Aphro for shield throw, and put ALL Pom upgrades into that. Either Poseidon or Ares dash then Daedalus hammer on bonus bounce damage (and if you're lucky for another, more bounces).
Focus on doing first shield on an enemy, then bounces to her.
spiral dock
That's the only way I've been able to do it.
Yeah, if I get another Ares, I put the curse damage on throw.
night pasture
I literally just started, does anyone have any advice on how to deal with shielded louts with just the sword?
they recharge so fast and I can't dodge enough
night pasture
cheers!
spiral dock
Fight them, get keys, buy new weapon.
vague hearth
Yeah, that's about it tbh
night pasture
good enough for me, thanks
uneven shuttle
It'll be slow taking them down until you unlock backstab damage and/or run-specific upgrades, @night pasture
vague hearth
Yeah
worn kelp
Has anyone noticed that the Shield can double attack out of a Dash, despite not normally having a combo? Curious if that's a big (since it's REALLY fast) or a feature
spiral dock
Aphro shield throw with 3 Poms does ~60 damage, and doubles with each bounce.
uneven shuttle
By the end of the run what's it do for damage?
vague hearth
Oof
uneven shuttle
oh, with 3 poms. Oof.
I guess it could be decent if you also invest in magic, so you can still do damage besides
pulsar loom
I just ran in circles around the room shield tossing at Meg
vague hearth
That's the strat
uneven shuttle
How long did that take
pulsar loom
I dunno, 5-10 minutes?
uneven shuttle
That's a long time, damn
spiral dock
Yep. Farthest I've made it so far was 4 levels into lavaland.
Took me about 4 minutes to kill Meg on first win.
hushed ledge
I've been to room 21
hushed ledge
Died to a fireball in a timed room with the timer at 0
uneven shuttle
I've beaten the game (up to the point where it tells you it's not finished) a couple times with the bow.
Made it to the final boss a few times with the shield, and with other weapons focusing on magic
I was using the bash for the shield though
I found relying on the throw to be too slow of a damage-dealer (without magic)
spiral dock
Ah, yeah, I rarely bash, and rarely block. I go Captain America.
Yeah. If you don't get Poms, throw is weak.
I go out of my way to seek them out.
Like, I'll ignore new boons for Poms
uneven shuttle
By the end of the game I was dealing 400 damage per shot with the bow (both times I completed it with the bow)
spiral dock
OOF
uneven shuttle
for charged dash shots
uneven shuttle
Oh, they're great for hurting bones.
spiral dock
I liked bow, but fell in love with shield. I may try bow again when I'm bored with shield. I still feel like there's more I can squeeze out of the weapon.
You can hold a bow charge while dashing though, right?
hushed ledge
Spear to me feels like it's got massive potential but needs you to play it well
vague hearth
I enjoy the spear and the shield
spiral dock
Follow-up question, is it possible to time a power shot after dashing?
uneven shuttle
It's a slow build with the bow. You're not likely to get all the things you need just in the first area, but you'll get most of it. I put on the charm for Ares in the first area, then switch to the charm for whoever-the-hunter-god-is in the 2nd area, if I didn't get the dash-attack-auto-crit ability.
spiral dock
Like, build charge, dash, release when flashing?
uneven shuttle
Yeah, the dash attack with the bow charges much faster
copper berry
Yes you can do that
vague hearth
Artemis btw
copper berry
You can get your powershot during the dash
spiral dock
Okay, so you can get power shot bonus dam and also do Arty dash crit?
vague hearth
Yeah
spiral dock
Alright, bow is my next weapon to master for sure.
vague hearth
A bit
spiral dock
Back in a few, gonna do a run.
vague hearth
I might try the sword and see if there's any strengths to it
tropic magnet
i love the shield
uneven shuttle
Shield is really fun
pulsar loom
Is the sword just meant to be forgotten after you get the next weapons?
vague hearth
As it would appear at the moment, yes
hushed ledge
The sword feels like it has potential
I'm going to need to work and try to figure it out
I think it's animations are a tad too long though
vague hearth
Especially the nova
hushed ledge
Yeah
rain pelican
it does seem like everything's outclassed by something else the other two melee weapons do though
vague hearth
It's a lot of risk for a pretty small reward
patent linden
The Shield has a Daedalus Hammer boon that is wildly overpowered, increasing its basic attack by 300% at the cost of removing its knockback. Combined with the Artemis dash auto-crit, I did so much damage to the hydra that I broke the encounter and skipped 2 waves of heads
hushed ledge
Tbh spear feels like a ranged weapon at times
rain pelican
Aoe q-attack is covered by spear, fast/pokey attacks too, knockback is covered by the shield + you get the benefit of guard
copper berry
i just did that on bow scorned
and again just now xd
I feel like the best build is just artemis crit dash, aphrodite bonus dmg, and then either crit dmg from artemis, or extra dmg against weak from aphrodite
plus your daedalus upgrade of choice on your weapons
and skull earring too, for the BIG BOYS
patent linden
Agreed, the Weak debuff from Aphrodite is excellent also
copper berry
I havent QUITE had all the stars align wtih those
I think you also want to minimize the boons you get besides the few core to your build
patent linden
I think it's just a flat -50% damage inflicted?
uneven shuttle
@patent linden; yeah, the shield is pretty damn good if you get that boon. It sucks that the final boss is immune to all sorts of cool abilities, since if you're having trouble with the boss, you're heavily discouraged from choosing anything other than damage boosts.
copper berry
so you can target the good ones with the poms
yerah scorned
but aphrodite also has you do like, 50%+ extra dmg to weak foes
hushed ledge
Yeah but then you need to roll both that boon and a weak boon
Which isn't always going to happen
copper berry
Yeah but thats the dream
I was able to get +dmg and dash crit
but unfortunately not bonus to weawk
the other problem with rolling so few boons, is that the amount you can get from gods is WAY bigger
like the pool. since you can still get a cast boon, a special boon
and then just the various ones like %dmg reduction
hushed ledge
Artemis has a great cast boon, but it's overshadowed by all the other nutty Artemis boons
uneven shuttle
You don't need Aphrodite boons for the bow build, any %-increase ones will work.
But Aphrodite's are pretty good.
hazy portal
am I really bad or does everyone die.. often?
copper berry
You get good with time duchness
vague hearth
It's a learning curve. Don't stress about it
hushed ledge
Everyone dies often, that's the point of a roguelite
copper berry
Aalso AE, aphros is just the best, as well as giving you the possibility to get the bonus dmg to weak foes
athena only gives 40%, and poseidons might give a similar amount but the knockback is detrimental
especially if you go bow with split shot, poseidons is actually detrimental there, not allowing you to hit an enemy with all 3 shots before they get launched into the ionosphere
spiral dock
Just made it to Meg with nothing but Aphro shield throw and 3 poms on it. Wish luck pls.
vague hearth
Unless it's the shield
uneven shuttle
Yeah, I know she's best for pure damage, but it won't totally screw up your run if you don't get her boon.
vague hearth
Then the knockback is hilarious
uneven shuttle
Poseidon shield is love, Poseidon shield is life
spiral dock
Shield throw is %151 bonus dam at 3 poms though so it might be doable.
copper berry
So if i see ares or zeus, I skip it
so I can try as hard as possible to get bonus dmg options :p
whole edge
what's bad about ares/zeus?
copper berry
but I want the largest number possible in one single hit
that as well, sucks to get only 14dmg chain lightning
when I could be getting % dmg
whole edge
ah. gotcha.
I was having fun bouncing shield around with the damage booster on shield
uneven shuttle
Ares and Zeus boons would be good on something that hits very often, I think. But I don't know if the Ares effect can stack infinitely, so, who knows
whole edge
cleared away skulls without actually committing to do stuff lol
tropic magnet
So what happens when you gift the NPCs ? is it worth it?
whole edge
you get an artifact
copper berry
yes they unlock you another gift
uneven shuttle
New dialog if you do it several times
copper berry
but in the current build after your first gift to them, you dont need to do more
whole edge
can you get something if you gift twice?
whole edge
so what's the heart things above people?
whole edge
can someone explain that system to me?
terse flame
further gifts just unlock dialogue or anything impatctful?
copper berry
at least in the current edition
frail agate
does giving more gifts get u anything ?
whole edge
more gifts = higher boons?
copper berry
nothing impactful ragga
whole edge
or no?
copper berry
I dont THINK so moro
uneven shuttle
The locks on the hearts indicate that you can't bribe them any more than that number of times
And it only changes dialog
whole edge
hmm. cerberus came with a default of 1/2 hearts?
copper berry
And once you hit the present, it means you got the Gift from them as well
Yeah, cuz you love him 😃
whole edge
gotcha
terse flame
their hearts wont be woo'd from my baubles ;-;
whole edge
lol
copper berry
You give him plenty of gifts before cuz he is such a good boy
frail agate
yeah cuz Cerberus is a goodboy
uneven shuttle
Cerberus loves you to begin with
copper berry
vague hearth
I thought Cerberus begins with five hearts
whole edge
something like that
terse flame
hades passive aggressively complaining to cerb when you respawn is such a mood
uneven shuttle
discussing gift-giving strategy
vague hearth
Also he's not just one good boy
copper berry
I skip hsi dialog cuz it makes me MAD
whole edge
I want to be able to ride cerb o.o
rain pelican
if you aren't giving dusa gifts even after dusa's been maxed out, you're doing it wrong tbh
copper berry
Thats right kart
vague hearth
He's three good boys consensed into one
copper berry
I am gonna max out each of hte gods gifts, just in case it increases the chances of a rare or epic boon
terse flame
good boy^3
whole edge
can we just ride cerb out of the underworld and wreak havoc?
dire mason
Hey Dino! Our server is swear free, could you substitute the one. 😄
uneven shuttle
I mean, Cerberus is meant to guard the gates of the underworld.
if you take that to its conclusion... 😢
whole edge
anyone beat 27 yet? o.o
uneven shuttle
@whole edge Yeah
whole edge
oh dang. lol
copper berry
was there another swear or was it the one that you would use to connect two objects by way of an inclined plane wrapped around a cylinder
dire mason
'I gave him a gift and he didn't give me 🙊 '
hazy portal
guys what do the numbers beside the convo's with npc's mean?
copper berry
except some LIP 😠
hazy portal
in the codex
copper berry
How many times you need to speak to them to unlock more of their story
hazy portal
jesus christ
terse flame
Dear hades, find attatched some macroni art, please pin to your infernal fridge and give me a gadget for my trouble
uneven shuttle
I wonder what happens if you actually talk to them 100 times, after the "talk to them 100 times" part comes up
hazy portal
100 more times with achilles??
copper berry
yeap
hazy portal
golly gosh
copper berry
its a roguelite, so its meant for the long haul you know?
i plan to put in way more runs anyway
hazy portal
hahahaha fair
uneven shuttle
I assume it's 100 as a placeholder for "nothing here yet please move along"
copper berry
While I wish I could talk to them every single time
I think its neat that sometimes they arent there
untold trellis
What does giving additional gifts do?
rain pelican
"please don't actually do this it might break oh god"
hazy portal
I had hundreds of hours in bastion but the story wasn't as deep as this
copper berry
Like they have actual stuff in their lives besides waiting for you to show up
@untold trellis nothing at the moment besides dialog. But no additional Gifts for you to use at the start
terse flame
Cerberus fan art can be clifford the big red dog copy and pasted a couple times
hushed ledge
@zinc quarry the spear is really fun and strong imo, one thing to keep in mind is that if you charge up a spin and then dash in, you spin where you dash too
spiral dock
NEW RUN -> Epic Aphro Shield Throw with 151% dam. 
hushed ledge
It can also stunlock multiple enemies at once if you line them up
vague hearth
But keep in mind when you spin after the dash that you're vulnerable for a sec or two
Aka don't do it to pests
zinc quarry
@hushed ledge I did not consider that, I didn't think Charging + dashing would work. I'll try the spear again tomorrow, thanks!
hushed ledge
Yeah, it makes a big difference
The spear isn't really a super close up weapon
It has a huge reach, and you need to use that
hazy portal
so if you don't get a decent buff at the start, do you restart?
hushed ledge
I find I rarely throw the spear
copper berry
you get the same thing if you restart
im 90% sure
if you change your Gift you can change what you get at the start but other than that idk if there is a chance
vague hearth
I think it's a good idea to try and keep going regardless of what you get
copper berry
change*
so basically if you want to keep using the same weapon and gift, you cant restart for a new first item
vague hearth
Wait
copper berry
Well you can influence it
vague hearth
What if it's a boon and you restart and get a gift from a different god
copper berry
If you change your gift it would change anyway almighty
hazy portal
how do you influence it?
vague hearth
Oh
copper berry
But if you could guarantee it to be a boon then you could do that
Duchess some gifts make it so the first boon you see is b ya certain god
hazy portal
I feel like I'm missing something that would change the way this is played immensly
copper berry
Like you cant influence if its a heart, gold, hammer, or boon
but you can change who it is from if it IS a boon
And for builds in general
Youc an just choose to NOT go to certain doors if you wish
vague hearth
Yeah
hazy portal
yeah
copper berry
And I think to some extent, there is a maximum number of gods that will show up on any given run
I am not sure if I have seen more than 3 different ones
MAYBE 4
vague hearth
A big part of roguelikes and by extension roguelites is making do with the hand you're dealt
copper berry
Yeah you eventually just get good enough that you can roll meme builds
vague hearth
Yep
copper berry
Which is the end game scenario
copper berry
Like playing with random weapons in dark souls
vague hearth
Which truth be told, I enjoyed the hell out of
Although with hades meme builds are far fewer at the moment
copper berry
My dream meme build will be one of the % dmg reduction boons, and then the revenge boon
uneven shuttle
If you get lucky and get one of Poseidon's boons early on, you'll probably end up with 200-250hp by the end
vague hearth
Oof
copper berry
along with the return healing when you take dmg
so you could just run into enemies nonstop, get hit they get hit back by your boon, and you just heal up
theoretically
uneven shuttle
Or you can get lucky and get an Aphrodite boon that negates 52% of damage "from nearby sources"
I don't know what the stipulation implies, though
hazy portal
but thats what I mean.. at the start(I die a lot.) you can get a good boon or you can get some coins
copper berry
probably also the bombs from the skeleton twins
hazy portal
it's so random
vague hearth
Nearby sources being louts, skulls etc
copper berry
The secret duchess is if you take charons coin purse, then if you get a coin for your first item, you just go die
vague hearth
If they're touching you, it probably means they're close
copper berry
and then you have extra coins when you do your next run, as well as a new chance for a starting item
vague hearth
I was about to say "I feel like they should make it an upgrade at that point"
Then I remembered they kinda did
copper berry
but even so duchess, you shouldnt look down too much on the coins at the start. It may not give you the immediate benefit of something like a boon, or a hammer, or a heart, it can be relevant later for a shop
or even for those little shops where you could buy something like an Eye of Lamia
or whatever consumable you may need on a run
tropic magnet
every time you die you have to start from the beginning right?
uneven shuttle
Yeah, you'll generally only know if a run is going well by the time you need to fight Meg
copper berry
Man I am at asphodel, and after 2 rooms there I FINALLY got my second boon of the run
uneven shuttle
If your mirror isn't upgraded enough yet, you might want to focus on collectathon-ing a bit
copper berry
I kinda wish there was a "minimum" of sorts
Oh yeah speaking of coins duchess, you can also use them to buy more darkness and stuff later at shops, which will benefit you more in the long run
hazy portal
ty
uneven shuttle
Alright, it's time for the most important question: how to buy all the extra furniture pieces
What do
uneven shuttle
I don't think I've ever collected 500 gold in a single run
copper berry
Either you should buy the item that lets you spawn an infernal trove every encounter
vague hearth
Get the purse > get 200 coins > die > get all the coin doors > pray
copper berry
or you will need oceans bounty from poseidon, or athenas boon that gives you gold
uneven shuttle
or 300, by the time you would be able to buy that one that only ever seems to be on sale at the very start of the run
and costs 500
copper berry
Yeah your best bet is probably either charons coin purse and start with extra 200, or his hourglass and just hit up every single trove you can
and keep your peepers out for any golden pots
stone oyster
ok.... the sheild is silly
copper berry
Oh and also on the topic of buying furniture I forgot to mention, deep pockets is your friend.
hardy epoch
Yeah but it's great for getting those pot guys
copper berry
With deep pockets and the coin purse thats 350 starting gold
stone oyster
so.... i got the 500% parry perk
and now i jsut stand in a corner and hold up the sheild and everything runs at me and kills themselves
hazy portal
ugh I cannot get past these 2 splody peeps
im always super low health when I get there and they stomp me
copper berry
For those boys, you want to try and not get greedy. They will each throw a bomb, then you dash in and hit them a couple times, then try to dash out
if you stay in for too long they will throw 4 bombs around them, and that can instagib you
hardy epoch
Use the shield for those guys
copper berry
Then its just practice, eventually you will be able to not take a single hit from em and then it wont matter your hp
copper berry
Literally as soon as the ad for it was on the game awards
so last night i guess
it says ive only got 30 runs in it, and I can basically perfect the first floor now. So it wont take you very long to get to that point
hazy portal
where'd you find those stats?
copper berry
At some point a little scrying pool spawns in your room that tells you the stats
hazy portal
ah ok
copper berry
Maybe it was after I beat the game for the first time, not sure
And of course as I practice I also got more perks from the mirror
stone oyster
it's somthign you buy
copper berry
Is it?
I didn't think I had purchased any furniture items
For the mirror perks I would say priority is Second dash > Heal when you go into rooms > death defying
You will be surprised just how much survivability you get with those
copper berry
good job
stone oyster
bring the sheild.. get the "perfect parry" perk from a daudless hammer
copper berry
lemme get the other thing i posted earlier.
hazy portal
throw shield?
stone oyster
don'g
copper berry
pasting from earlier
so she basically has 5 things she does
charge, easy to see
whip spin, easy to see
the big aoe bullet storm
and then the best ones are when she shoots the pillars under you that blow up
and when she goes to the center of the room to summon mobs
so you dodge her charge, and then you can hit her a bit
when she goes to summon mobs, she runs to the center of the room
during this time she does NOTHING to you, so thats FREE dmg
hazy portal
ooo cheers dino
stone oyster
same princible without it tho
wait.. what can you do vs the pillars
that's an annoying one for me
copper berry
what do you mean pillars
spiral dock
The big aoe circles?
copper berry
dash
two dashes make it easiest, but even one dash is doable. you just have to not panic dash off of cooldown
spiral dock
Purple Venn Diagram of Death?
stone oyster
umm... also the other thing i've done in the past that worded were.... ares cast buff, aphroditie dash buff and ares auto buff on the bow or spear
copper berry
you should be able to see her indicator, dash, then indicator, dash
but if you spam dash you will get hi by some
sometimes she doesnt even spawn them under you, so you could just stand still
spiral dock
Get good at dodging, then practice using double dash to get away from hit, and then hit her while she's casting.
stone oyster
lol.... i've made the terrible mistake that i'm gonna try to butter up to max meg with ambrosia so... this should be a lot of death and attempts
stone oyster
she summons a lot of adds
hazy portal
yeah
stone oyster
.... she's not easy
hazy portal
oh wow
hazy portal
i was expecting to die first time
hushed ledge
Meg is pretty hard
stone oyster
frankly.. i'd expect to die on #299 as well
hushed ledge
I've only beat her twice, both with spear
stone oyster
i'm on win #3 ... once with sheld once with bow once with spear
the spear is really good for cheesing backstab damage btw... if you spec hard into the special with athena or ares or anyone but posidon or ares... and then just throw and call back repeatadly
hushed ledge
I prefer the start build
Focus Aphrodite, Artemis if possible
Mash space bar and lmb
Win
copper berry
its doubly good with aphrodite
if you get the bonus special dmg/weak, and then the bonus dmg against weak targets, you probably get even crazier dmg wtih the spear
on spear, that is
obsidian brook
Anyone else grind out gold in Megs fight for funsies?? I love my new Aphrodite wall banner 