hades is just bastion X transistor with gods and some good puns
#h1-discussion
scenic path
quaint hatch
More like pyre + transistor
Transistor feels like a more refined bastion too me imo
scenic path
play all the supergiant games since they're all 10/10 games imo
flat vapor
hades is the culmination of all three previous games imo
quaint hatch
More accreate ig
flat vapor
there's absolutely no way hades, as it is today, could've been made without bastion, transistor, and pyre
scenic path
it takes the dialogue style from pyre
art style from transistor
combat/weapons from bastion
how i feel about it
which is nice
quaint hatch
So again: does time from td scale, culminate or is it the static amount you choose for each stage?
flat vapor
i feel hades also takes transistor's combination mechanic to the heart as well
So again: does time from td scale, culminate or is it the static amount you choose for each stage?
every biome, you get +X amount of time added to your timer
quaint hatch
Oh alright thank you
flat vapor
so td1, you get 9 minutes in tartarus. then asphodel, 9 minutes get added to your remaining time, and so on
quaint hatch
That's really generous
scenic path
i can do td2 but td3 is just too hard unless i get a lucky start
still end up dying tho
flat vapor
i find that td1 is basically free, td2 is easy for many people, but td3 is suddenly extremely tight for no reason lol
scenic path
well its just that the concept of td is that its exponentially harder as you go on
i've only had one run without td3 where i would've won if i did have td3
but i just got a really lucky start
flat vapor
i've seen some feedback saying that it should scale somewhere like 8/7/6, and i'm inclined to agree?
flat vapor
i think 9/7/5 casts too wide of a net, going from no challenge to extremely tight
quaint hatch
I'd assume the point is to smoothe out the difficulty curve In the increase
Not necessarily to make it easier
scenic path
hurts me cuz i died after trying a || high heat run and was 5% health off of winning ||
quaint hatch
Maybe change the way it scales
flat vapor
the problem with td3 is that even if you are a great player, you get screwed over by rng way too easily
brisk trail
play all the supergiant games since they’re all 10/10 games imo
@scenic path Hades is my favorite game ever
scenic path
doing td3 isnt hard if you build a fast build and aim to clear fast
flat vapor
if you have em4 on, and you get 3 sack'd on td3, you're gonna time out no matter what
scenic path
yes zagreus i agree with you too
all supergiant games have a special place in my heart
quaint hatch
Yeah
flat vapor
same if you have CP, or JS or bp2
quaint hatch
Seems like it for me too
brisk trail
I never played any other SGG games before
maiden urchin
i dont like td. my fastest clear is 35 minutes lmao
quaint hatch
I highly recommend
quaint hatch
Then you'll prolly have fun with the others
brisk trail
Perhaps some day. For now I have my plate full with Hades.
quaint hatch
Same xD
maiden urchin
my fastest clear was with the bow too LMAO
scenic path
SAME
flat vapor
i have bastion on mobile but i've never actually taken the time to play it...
maiden urchin
aspect of festive fog op
maiden urchin
for hera?
maiden urchin
in that bow run i somehow got lv8 on heroic fog lmao
west lion
Thanks for the advice yall! :) i did really love bastion but it is such a quick playthrough if you are just playing the story. Totally worth it. I love how they tied the story into a multi run format in Hades. It's so smart and helps players really get the most out of the game.
quaint hatch
Wait bastions mobile???
scenic path
athena can deflect and it makes a difference with some || heat levels ||
maiden urchin
yes athena cast is also cool
but i think its not very different when using hera and argyably its wrse than normal
cause it doesnt deflect along the main path of your arrow
flat vapor
bastion has a mobile port, yes
maiden urchin
so unless youre shooting it short then you are losing on deflect chance
flat vapor
it's on pc and switch too
scenic path
imo i dont like festive bog unless i have stygian soul
maiden urchin
stygian soul = pray you get the +1 from chaos
quaint hatch
Artemis legendary lul
maiden urchin
what does that do again
scenic path
stygian soul is nice to use if you dont have a cast type build
flat vapor
+2 bloodstones
maiden urchin
oh nice
drowsy finch
I said "I'm gonna use the rail until I love it"
and then immediately after I say that.
my run has splitting bolt
on lightning strike
dense quarry
noice 
ebon blaze
Rail is my favorite ngl
quaint hatch
Maybe you play on console and still have it mapped to r3
drowsy finch
It's really really about building it right.
Rail has to be built, you can't kinda just roll with the punches.
quaint hatch
Also that
drowsy finch
And the MAN showing up in elysium to give me my Defies back.
Please remember to give [ELYSIUM MAN] nectars to compensate him for saving all your runs
quaint hatch
Praise goat cheese name boy
drowsy finch
Alright just give me Cold Fusion thanks Zeus.
Really appreciate this run becoming insane.
quaint hatch
I like elysium meat
Very tasty
jade crescent
just finished the epilogue 
now I just gotta do a 16 heat run and max keepsakes and its ggez
jade crescent
the one where you get 40% damage boost for 2 debuffs?
hushed hamlet
Is it 40? damn
jade crescent
it's pretty decent although you have to keep it in mind, the green is better for passive stuff
wind wedge
urgh, I just don't understand how to beat ||Hades|| with Stygius. I just lost with an otherwise brilliant Crystal Cast + support boons build.
atomic seal
I literally tried crystal cast build like you did just now
drowsy finch
Hermes.
drowsy finch
Hermes is the answer.
Or, altenatively
get really reeally good at dodging.
you TECHNICALLY have I-frames.
They're somewere in the middle of the dodge.
fading gazelle
technically
atomic seal
yeah hermes + charon cast buff and you need at least 2+ cast
drowsy finch
Oh I was just saying "get greater reflexes"
atomic seal
crystal build isn't good if rng screw you over tbh
drowsy finch
all my sucessful final boss fights have allowed me to stay comfortably at the edge of the SPEEEEEEEEEEN
wind wedge
Given that I just can't win with melee weapons (despite this not being a problem in literally any other stage), I am starting to thing it's definitely dodging is the issue.
atomic seal
if you get that buff that increase aura size
its party xd
huh what you're used to then?
wind wedge
I mean, it's not like I reach ||Hades|| a bunch :p
drowsy finch
TECHNICALLY the shield is a melee weeapon.
I just... built it for the charge shot.
TECHNICALLY I won with a melee weapon.
atomic seal
lmao
wind wedge
I'd need ot look back at my history, but I think I probably tried ||Hades|| around 20 times in total maybe? Probably 5 or 6 times with Stygius.
Only won with Spear, Rail, Bow (ironically, as I strongly dislike the latter two generally)
drowsy finch
Final fight with spear is cool because it lets me pretend I'm in a vergil fight.
burnt helm
the sword?
burnt helm
Athena, Artemis and Aphrodite are your best friend using the sword to get through
indigo canopy
i found out that artemis and ||demeter|| pair really well together with the fists
atomic seal
aphro on special and chill on fist
drowsy finch
I need to stop doing so good on my runs or I'm never gonna get THE achilles conversation.
atomic seal
debuff 40% dmg status curse buff
drowsy finch
Cuz he's just gonna be so backed up on dialogue.
wind wedge
That is a big problem
indigo canopy
what’s the achilles conversation
wind wedge
I wish you could just pick a topic when you talk to the NPCs with lots of plot-relevant lines for multiple subplots
drowsy finch
the ||guan yu|| one.
atomic seal
?
brisk trail
what is the diffrence bewtween the 64x and 86x version?
burnt helm
am i meant to censor that?
indigo canopy
does anyone know where to find the desktop backgrounds for all the characters with their name and title next to them, i can only find ares, posei and aphro
atomic seal
uh.. hades has 86x build?
brisk trail
uh.. hades has 86x build?
@atomic seal i mean the game itself
Hades (x64) and hades (x86)
atomic seal
64 bit let you use more ram
burnt helm
||Demeter|| is inconsistent for stygius at best, wouldn't recommend highly
brisk trail
and 86?
atomic seal
32 bit or x86 limit your ram usage
if you're on potato then 32 is way to go
aka like 4 gb ram
atomic seal
demeter is only good with fist tbh
hard to stack up chill to max
with other weapons unless i'm forgetting someone
oh right
rail works too
burnt helm
not even stacking, with epic boons, all of the other 3 are much much better with the attack and then you just build around whatever you get on your attack
for stygius at least
quaint hatch
Dem with rail
Ez stacks
quiet gull
Demeter has very high damage increase, it's perfectly fine on all weapons
quiet gull
You dont need to stack chill for Demeter to be good guys
quaint hatch
Every weapon with fast enough attacks stacks easy
Yeah but I'm just responding to rama saying fist are only option because of stack difficulty
It's a perfectly fine option on chiron
burnt helm
idk even with chill: crit, charm and reflect is more valuable for stygius imo
quaint hatch
Yeah for stygius dem is less effective imo
quiet gull
Dem on special with sword is perfectly fine
burnt helm
couldn't speak for most of the other weapons properly, especially bow and rail, I have barely tried them because I am not that fond of them
indigo canopy
arti and dem pair so good, chill explosion + seeking arrows on hit + the laser cast w tracking mmmmmm and poseidon call
burnt helm
oh yeah, the special on the sword is so good
quaint hatch
Didn't say not fine just less effective
quiet gull
Define "more effective"
quaint hatch
You want a laser focus build for it to be good tho
quiet gull
Cause big damage increase is exactly what you want on special, and demeter has it
quiet gull
Again, Demeter isnt any different from any other god in that respect
Especially at low heat, when really anything is capable of beating the game
quaint hatch
F.em aphro has bigger damage increases, artemis has crits
Also dem has a lot of less than desirable boons for most builds imo
The healing increase f.e.
brisk trail
I can say demeter special is amazing for chiron bow (with the chill explosion)
quiet gull
Which are balanced out by her insane cast boons and chill boons, so what's the problem?
quaint hatch
If we're talking big damage increase aphro should be strictly better talking numbers
Im not saying there's a problem
quiet gull
Demeter has the second highest damage increase and you say it's not good breh, I think you're very very mistaken
quaint hatch
Have I offended/attacked you somehow? I'm not trying to call your opinion bs
burnt helm
Its really good on styg too, I just find special on styg to be too clunky into dashing
for me to want to use it
quiet gull
Are you trying to force Aphro special on sword 100% of the time?
quaint hatch
As I said lots of times in hades basically everything is viable
The rest is just preference or min maxing
olive iris
grab your popcorn bois
wind wedge
It's okay, vo1di, 4thQueen gets like this.
quiet gull
lul
quaint hatch
Ah ok
I'm just self conscious cause I seem to trigger a lot of arguments
wind wedge
People tend to be declarative in general about "good builds", I notice 😉
olive iris
meanwhile i brainlessly force crit build on arthur everytime
quaint hatch
Usually all I say isn't meant to be a definitive best answer/solution regarding to hades
As most is player choice in the end
Which is what I like about the game
olive iris
yeah its fun
quiet gull
I find the idea of "builds" in a roguelike to be kind of counterproductive. You have to roll with what you've got, and 95% of the time taking the good options is enough, unless you're at 30+ heat
quaint hatch
In hades builds are comparatively consistent to achieve
Compared to most roguelikes
burnt helm
used it twice, both times shaved off 6 minutes off of my casual strolling
wind wedge
Ehh, in both roguelikes and roguelites, you can usually at least have options you're developing
quaint hatch
The primary boons, requirements, keepsakes and mirror upgrade make it p reliable
Most roguelikes/lites are way more random
flat vapor
hades has numerous ways to control builds/rng
wind wedge
(and in roguelites like Hades, you usually gain control from metaprogression, which admittedly isn't available in roguelikes)
olive iris
best thing about this game is everyone enjoys different builds
quaint hatch
And they can be achieved
Unless I want to play beam
burnt helm
Personally prefer the default zagreus weapons over the others
quaint hatch
Then game says no
You're a rare breed
I despise vanilla stuff most of the time lol
burnt helm
yeah, I don't doubt that
indigo canopy
default zagreus weapons are very nice
olive iris
i feel ballsy when using hidden aspect
burnt helm
except rail
quaint hatch
Idk why I have an aversion regarding that
wind wedge
[I'll agree that proper roguelikes don't generally have builds in the same sense, but the way you play a roguelike is v different to how you play a roguelite like Hades]
burnt helm
rail just feels... meh
indigo canopy
rail feels out of place
burnt helm
its clunky
olive iris
rail with zeus is great
indigo canopy
so so out of place in the greek mythology setting
quaint hatch
Yes but also most roguelikes don't have the same consistency options
So hades is a nice change of pace for a roguelike addicted bloke
wind wedge
I'm not dissing Hades
burnt helm
thats why i don't like the rail, its inconsistent and clunky
quaint hatch
I'm not implying that
wind wedge
I am noting it doesn't play like [entirely different genre X] 😉
and that you're right 🙂
quaint hatch
Huh how is rail inconsistent? Aso soon as I remapped reload to L it's fine
Hades already has a modding discord
burnt helm
yeah but supported modding, its just lua scripting, no?
so they can't really add new things
quaint hatch
It's not very far
Since modding is p difficult because of the textures y models etc
And there's no native tool as of yet I think
wind wedge
Modding is mostly problematic because Hades is still basically sprites (it's prerendered frames, not true 3d models).
quaint hatch
So far it seems to be relegated to scripting mostly
But you should ask in the discord
burnt helm
well I hope it eventually comes, that and DLC
wind wedge
So the asset creation is more difficulty
quaint hatch
I don't have the link tho
wind wedge
(which is also why it's hard for there to be "themed outfits" or whatever)
quaint hatch
I'm just waiting for dlc xD
The game will keep me occupied enough
olive iris
they could just make a hades 2 with different engine
wind wedge
The thing is, I am pretty sure that all SuperGiant games have used the same (in-house) engine [or at least, the current version of it each time]
atomic seal
I'd prefer new game instead
and vacation for them
not sure how long they worked on this
2 years?
quiet gull
It was in early access for two years, I suppose another year or so before that at minimum
quaint hatch
Eh why a new game again
Expand on what's good
After that start fresh imo
atomic seal
you eventually get sick and tired of it
quiet gull
SGG has never released DLC for any of their games
atomic seal
oh buddy lol thats some bad example
quaint hatch
Ik
atomic seal
and comparison
quiet gull
The SwSh DLC is just a replacement for third versions, man
burnt helm
^
quiet gull
Very poor comparison
brisk trail
But also SGG's previous titles didn't have the foundation for a dlc
quaint hatch
I don't want to get tired of hades
brisk trail
Weren't really fit, better wording
burnt helm
They were more linear
quaint hatch
Hades at least has story/lore potential for dlc
burnt helm
and gameplay for dlc not just lore
quiet gull
SGG has already said that they like where clear times are at now with Hades, so you cant really add more to the game that way
quaint hatch
That also
atomic seal
beside few empty slot on keepsake and pact of punishment hinting something "more"
brisk trail
Yeah Hades could really use more gameplay, that's the current complaint with it from the negstive reviews
quaint hatch
It's unlikely but not impossible
atomic seal
I dont see foundation ya talking
quaint hatch
Those reviews I want to see
quiet gull
Yeah Hades could really use more gameplay, that's the current complaint with it from the negstive reviews
@brisk trail Which is funny, because it is by far the best gameplay out of all of SGG's games
quaint hatch
Where does hades have not enough gameplay?
burnt helm
It's a roguelike
brisk trail
Those compare it to other roguelites like Deadcells, The Binding of Isaac and fhe like
burnt helm
I don't disagree, I do wish there was more but there is enough for its price and its well rounded anyway ¯_(ツ)_/¯
atomic seal
meanwhile dead cell is rotting in my lib
burnt helm
Dead cells was great
quaint hatch
It's fun
But the boss cell spikes just felt too punishing for me
burnt helm
personally not a fan of how there is no indication of the exits, ramparts is criminal for it
merry jewel
is there any way to guarantee seeing ||patroclus|| in elysium?
burnt helm
that and keys timekeeping and slowing down progress
atomic seal
I don't play many rogue like but this game and slay the spire are my most played rogue lite or rogue lite games
quiet gull
is there any way to guarantee seeing ||patroclus|| in elysium?
@merry jewel Guarantee? No
merry jewel
F
atomic seal
pray to rng lord
merry jewel
yeah thats what i thought but was hoping there may be a better way lmao
brisk trail
Can gold laurel rooms be altered to that?
quiet gull
If you get a chaos gate, it lets you essentially reroll exits, though I dont know if it's even possible to get an NPC room after chaos?
atomic seal
at least rng isn't bad as trying to find "flame wheel release" from charon's well
quiet gull
No Madder
atomic seal
near 4k escape attempt and still never seen that item in well
carmine ravine
its rly rng, i pnly seen it twice
atomic seal
where did you get it? at elysium or the check point before elysium?
I might stop re-roll at check point if its never going to appear there
burnt helm
Eurydice I think it was
quiet gull
You cant reroll rooms into NPC rooms
burnt helm
memories fuzzy though, played a lot today
carmine ravine
at elysium yes@atomic seal
atomic seal
that item and hypnos event is cursed for me
quaint hatch
Yes only elysium
atomic seal
only two things left to do in game
and that ranking
idk how long i'm going to donate to that shade
||something tell me donating to that shades goes on for infinite time ||
brisk trail
There is like 50 ranks o_o
brisk trail
Tho the item price is fixed and on a loop, only the darkness keeps increasing
I finally beat the ||Hydra Snake||(2nd boss), but barley. Died soon after.
gusty slate
Making progress I see 👍
brisk trail
quaint hatch
Piano man cues
brisk trail
Ya I been taking my time. Enjoying the game.
Got the game 5 days ago. Not at launch.
quaint hatch
You fool xD
brisk trail
I didn’t know about this game at launch.
atomic seal
I see you still call the ||snake by its uncultured name||
drowsy finch
Alright I used the special secret spear.
Uhhh its okay? I feel like I'd like it more if I didn't have it at minimum level
carmine ravine
eh its meh
drowsy finch
I also know that I'd HATE IT if I was playing at higher heat.
flat vapor
it's great imo but very hard to handle at low levels
drowsy finch
Made it into elysium, died 3 times to that boss, entered final level with no DDs and died INSTANTLY
It's okay.
drowsy finch
Yeah that's what I'm feeling.
quiet gull
4th spear claims to be focused for spin, but that special is where it's at
drowsy finch
You say that, but if I wanted to do that I'd... just use bow.
quiet gull
If you get charged skewer you can go to town
drowsy finch
ohh yeah that
brisk trail
what will happen if i keep dying to meg? she is really hard
im at the point where they saw how weak i was because i kept dying and they gived me this speacil power where i can call them
gusty slate
Nothing will happen, you just gottakeep at it. you got this! 👍
zealous flare
What do you mean you can call them? Like, the Gods?
burnt helm
extreme measures elysium boss is cool
but idk what it does to ||Asterius other then putting him visually in armour|| ||Theseus in a chariot was entertaining, fitting he has the least subtle change with extreme measures :^)||
shut geyser
i want to stay excited, around 15 heat for all weapons and starting to find runs boring
burnt helm
thats a huge spoiler tag hahaha
slender linden
||Asterius swings like a windmill haha,|| Dex
burnt helm
he did that before tho, no?
slender linden
a little differently, i think
shut geyser
his slam
burnt helm
Fight felt significantly easier with that but in all fairness ||Arthur sword is so good, it made short work of both of them with the setup I had at that point||
pseudo onyx
Hey, so, where is the best place to provide feedback for the game?
fringe garnet
here
edgy bear
probably #test-branch-discussion ?
fringe garnet
^ only if youre using test branch
pseudo onyx
I am not haha
So, I love this game to friggin death. There's one requirement change for the God boons that I think is unfair because it happens as a scripted event and you can never get something that early again. I'm talking about the Huge Catch boon. I think it should have a chance to spawn without the two current requirements because the likelihood of getting it is already low with the legendary status and it would be an interesting choice to forego any initial buff to get a fishing boon early on lol
It also gives the impression that you could get this randomly at any time from him if it's just given to us in a scripted event at the very start of the run, too.
quiet gull
You can check the requirements for boons if you buy an upgrade to the codex from the house contractor
That event is very clearly telegraphed as something special and extraordinary
I think it's fine
In any case, one of the changes in the test branch is in fact a more lenient requirement for that exact legendary boon
pseudo onyx
Well that's not the real issue--by the time you could reasonably get it (and survive the run), means that you'd pretty much lose out on a majority of its effectiveness.
And it's not like I was overflowing with fish that run, either lol
quiet gull
The fact that that boon requires two non-combat boons as prereqs means its pretty much meant for low heat farming runs. Dont worry too much about it, you get plenty fish just playing the game normally (except maybe chaos fish)
pseudo onyx
Well I'm at the point where I'm progressing through heat slowly but surely, and I think it would be an interesting choice for me to take instead of a combat buff given my relative skill level if it was something that could show up by the end of the first zone.
Even if it was "one or the other", that would feel a bit more fair than requiring both
And since Chaos gates become less and less frequent until stopping after early Elysium, which is usually just around the time I finally start seeing duo/legendary buffs to pick it up... means you really can't use it easily for that either.
And the last zone already has a 20% chance so really it will never make sense to pick up unless you get a bunch of choices for Poseidon early and then also luck out several times.
peak pivot
Speaking of fishing feedback - I straight up don't have the reflexes to make the Perfect Catch cut. Would there be a way to add Legendary Fish to the Catch pool at a very low chance? Otherwise I don't think I'll ever be able to get one - I'm past age 24 so my reflexes are just gonna get slower and slower, and it's not really a skill-based challenge like most other parts of Hades
gusty slate
The 3 fakeout max rule might help a bit. If the first 3 are fake bobs, the 4th has to be a fish... might help with reaction time
pseudo onyx
On the controller I try real real hard, I think any movement shortly after a normal bob, I just press it because I know it's coming
If it's been a while since the bob, I'm much less good at it because I assume it's a bob lol
fair dove
Speaking of fishing feedback - I straight up don't have the reflexes to make the Perfect Catch cut. Would there be a way to add Legendary Fish to the Catch pool at a very low chance? Otherwise I don't think I'll ever be able to get one - I'm past age 24 so my reflexes are just gonna get slower and slower, and it's not really a skill-based challenge like most other parts of Hades
@peak pivot like poke said that tip works really well
Other than that idk what to tell u, it’s just a game of reflex and luck
There are both audio and visual cue
peak pivot
Thanks all, I didn't know the max fakeouts rule. I'll keep at it for sure
fair dove
I look for when the thing goes down completely
pseudo onyx
Yeah I think it's moderately fair, I have to really be concentrating and ready to press the button. I also use a controller, I imagine it'd be harder on keybaord
stoic aurora
just close your eyes and listen for the sploosh
pseudo onyx
Yeah, I look for the deep dive and flash of light
My vibration wasn't working so I dunno
fair dove
controller has vibration?
@gusty slate yes it does
Vibration also helps just a bit
Ur best bet would be visual and audio cue
peak pivot
Yeah I take a little meditation moment whenever I fish and listen for the sound, but visual might get me under that threshhold faster. I am M+KB
fair dove
Also always pull up if it goes to the fourth bob
pseudo onyx
Good to know about the 4th bob thing tho if I start counting i might miss it haha
fair dove
It helps me a lot to catch legendaries
gusty slate
It's a pretty nifty tip i learned like last week lol
pseudo onyx
Yeah I take a little meditation moment whenever I fish and listen for the sound, but visual might get me under that threshhold faster. I am M+KB
@peak pivot I literally act like a little kid and get my face close to the screen in anticipation
gusty slate
I actually don't watch the bob either, I watch for the light xD
pseudo onyx
LOL i just jumped int oa chaos chamber and she commented about how they're* impressed I caught a fish
(no fish this chamber this time lol)
brisk trail
They.
peak pivot
thanks for the tips all! Goodbye forever :)
bitter jewel
I said it ealier but I'm still really salty about getting my first perfect catch and whiffing on the fancy fish for poseidon's list thing
pseudo onyx
Aspect of Poseidon + Stygian Soul + Artemis's dislodge... does that even work?
brisk trail
Yes.
pseudo onyx
But they don't pop out on the ground though it just removes it as a 'debuff'?
brisk trail
Yup.
pseudo onyx
I bet it doesn't recharge the timer though, eh?
brisk trail
Nope.
lunar cypress
Hrmn, Curse of Longing made me think EACH successive hit would just be 50% off the first one, not 50% off each previous; its..a lot less strong than I thought
plucky sail
Man I just tried a curse of longing last night and I was so dissapointed at how miniscule the damage became
gusty slate
It can be nice for hit and run if your doom is a big number
keep doing damage, restack
sharp fossil
curse of longing is actually solid
lunar cypress
It even eventually stops if it hits 1, lol. And I mean I thought the point was that you'd get a consistant re-applying doom if you kept them weak; you still basically have to keep reapplying doom anyway otherwise it does nothing
sharp fossil
it’s main problem is just that merciful end exists lol
lunar cypress
Might as well just be hangover
plucky sail
Also hey a little late but regarding the fishing thing, it MUST be harder on keyboard. I can reliably get catches, have caught over 120 fish and such, and I usually close my eyes and wait for the sound cue...And it has literally never been a perfect catch. I heard that on controllers it vibrates, so maybe the timing for that is better? Because I promise that from my experience, the sound ad visual cues happen already too late
gusty slate
Might be, not sure I've gotten a few
plucky sail
the one time I caught a rare fish it was because I hit the butto BEFORE hte cue and I got lucky
gusty slate
but my luck stat is like my best stat
lunar cypress
Yeah the audio/visual doesn't seem to match up to me, cuz I've ALSO gotten them just before the time it sinks
Which would also explain why its so absurdly specific
pseudo onyx
Also hey a little late but regarding the fishing thing, it MUST be harder on keyboard. I can reliably get catches, have caught over 120 fish and such, and I usually close my eyes and wait for the sound cue...And it has literally never been a perfect catch. I heard that on controllers it vibrates, so maybe the timing for that is better? Because I promise that from my experience, the sound ad visual cues happen already too late
@plucky sail It's not the vibration (Mine didn't vibrate today), its that to pull it up, pushing the right trigger button is MUCH faster than depressing a key imho
gusty slate
My hearing isn't the best, I do 3fakeout rule and/or light
gusty slate
Even if you get it, isn't it still a chance for legendary fisho?
lunar cypress
It's not much better on controller, lemme tell you that much
pseudo onyx
I haven't used KBM I assume you press a key haha
sharp fossil
you can sort of get a feel for when the catch happens in relation to the bobs
lunar cypress
It's a like 20% chance for legendary with a perfect I think
plucky sail
So theoretically could I just keep the button pressed for the whole fishing duration and just let it go on the cue?
gusty slate
Yeah the 3 fake bob and 4th guaranteed fish is nice
lunar cypress
No I don't think so
plucky sail
Oh you don't play KBM, nvm then
sharp fossil
It's a like 20% chance for legendary with a perfect I think
@lunar cypress the number going around is 5%, but either i’m stupid lucky or it’s higher than that
lunar cypress
I think they just mean that its slightly slower to push a key down than to hit the controller button
plucky sail
Yeah the three bobs max thing is nice, that's really only how I got my rare fish because I figured "should be about now right?" then hit it before the cue ad I got lucky
but even then, the timing changes
lunar cypress
I feel like its higher than 5% yeah
lunar cypress
1 in 4-5 seems like its about right for a perfect catch
sharp fossil
some keyboards would be almost comparable
pseudo onyx
I was getting probably 4/5 of them earlier, now that vibration works as of today I feel like I'm less on edge to be quick it's almost distracting
lunar cypress
I dunno, something bout it is a little wonky, not sure what specifically but it feels..off
sharp fossil
i feel like i get legendary fish in almost half my perfect catches
gusty slate
5% is a pretty old number
lunar cypress
Oh I definitely don't get THAT many
sharp fossil
but i could just be lucky/misremembering
lunar cypress
But its not 5%
sharp fossil
yeah
gusty slate
but 20% sounds like a nice number. That's the percent for secret boss spawn
give or take a few %
pseudo onyx
I didn't mean 4/5 are legendary, sorry, I meant times I would get perfect catch hahaha
lunar cypress
Oh
pseudo onyx
but it seemed fairly high getting legendaries?
sharp fossil
there is an aquarium
lunar cypress
See em swimmin in the tiny one at least
sharp fossil
you can’t feed them tho sadly
lunar cypress
Yeah but it doesn't do anything :c
plucky sail
I want to know how the head chef can fish 100+ of the things in that little aquarium I bought him
gusty slate
Doesn't chef...
lunar cypress
It's magic
They shrink, obviously
And no, you'd think the chef cooks em but apparently not
sharp fossil
i mean, they undead fish
lunar cypress
Its ambience
plucky sail
I like to think that hades gets a little grumpier every time Zag returns from the pool of Styx with three new fish in a bag
sharp fossil
who’s to say they can’t be cooked up and still swim around afterward
lunar cypress
...but why would he cook them and THEN put them in?
gusty slate
Boy, you're not only looting my troves, constantly defying me, and causing disorder in the house... YOU BRING THE RIVER DENIZENS IN?
sharp fossil
prolly takes the meat, and puts the skeleton fish in the aquarium?
gusty slate
smashes table
lunar cypress
Well that's lame, then they all look samey and the point's gone, if that's what he does. Also ||not all of em are undead, like the ones in Styx/Greece||
He'd order a new table to smash it. Or capes
sharp fossil
i mean, even the ||greece ||ones tho
gusty slate
He has a reinforced table
sharp fossil
once they’re in the underworld, it’s not unreasonable to think they might not die normally
like, what would that even mean
lunar cypress
Not much, functionally
sharp fossil
yeah exactly
plucky sail
I like to think that the head chef chops them and then immediately a picture perfect ghost version of the fish floats out of the fillet and into the aquarium
they could leave whenever thye want, but they're fish and too stupid to realize they don't have to be in the aquarium
queen wharf
Does anyone know yet if Flame Wheels Release can be gotten in the well in the room before Elysium? I can never get a straight answer.
sharp fossil
i don’t think i’ve ever seen it
be tough to know for sure, unless someone looks in the code
plucky sail
this is a complete and utter guess but I'd assume it's coded in to oly show up after you're already in elysium
sharp fossil
or has seen it ofc
tawdry flower
I like to think that hades gets a little grumpier every time Zag returns from the pool of Styx with three new fish in a bag
@plucky sail can I just say this image is wonderful and I want fanart of it?
brisk trail
Hades is my favorite game ever. I personally believe that it’s not just the greatest game from this generation, but every generation preceding it. No game compares to this game in my opinion. All for the low low price of $25. There are games that cost $60 that are terrible, rushed, and lack content. Hades for only $25 has hundreds of hours worth of content. Hades has amazing gameplay, fantastic art-style, great voice acting, phenomenal plot, intriguing lore, and is overall just perfect. Hades has no flaws. I couldn’t recommend this game enough, it’s extraordinary. This game was created by Supergiant Games which only has 20 employees. Yet studios like Game Freak who have a huge amount resources and over 100 employees give us rushed Pokémon games every 2 years for $40-$60. Hades which is an Indie game surpasses triple A games that have hundreds of employees working on them with an endless amount of resources. This is why Hades is my favorite game ever.
plucky sail
I would love to make fanart except I have as much talent drawing as Zag has lifting those weights in his room
Writing is more my thing and the hilarity is greatly diminished
gusty slate
Still amusing
plucky sail
But also it's not just any bag, it's those little plastic bags that kids get goldfish in at carnival and zag is always very very pleased with himself by walking in with those
gusty slate
With the biggest and goofiest grin as he walks by Hades desk
abstract compass
my co worker told me about this game, i decided to get it and ive been playing it all day, i adore it; i love greek mythology as it is but seeing all of it is amazing, the story and art is spot on. im playing the game just admiring everything about it. its my first time playing a game even remotely like this but its so good
so cheap too
brisk trail
Welcome
abstract compass
big props to the team at supergiant games who made this!
abstract compass
it really is
brisk trail
big props to the team at supergiant games who made this!
@abstract compass shockingly they only employ 20 people
abstract compass
twenty people made this game?
brisk trail
Idk if it’s 20 people on the team or just 20 people in general who work there
abstract compass
while bethesda with hundreds of employees release games such as fallout 76
brisk trail
Exactly
abstract compass
so much respect for the people who worked on this game
brisk trail
Hades is perfect in every way
abstract compass
it has become one of my favourites really fast
lunar cypress
I just got 69 gems from a trove and Zag only said "nice"...is that intentional?
hearty sorrel
Does bonus dmg to armor help with any boss fight other than the bone hydra summons?
distant lotus
I'm so sad
I reached the final region, there's a fish, but I have no DD left and it's forced overtime 2 so I won't make it through
I don't think so since they don't technically have armour
jolly river
@hearty sorrel I dont think so, pretty sure he's the only guy
hearty sorrel
I think they should shift some hp to armor at least for EM3, fits the story too.
give more use to bonus dmg to armor
lunar cypress
I want more stuff that pierces to be unblockable, personally
cloud apex
I have yet to understand what is a requirement for an attack to pierce through shields
Shockwaves going under feet do not, but sharper bow special arrows do 
maiden mulch
i would not be surprised if there's a specific line for that, almost everything has one
nocturne path
yo i love how the devs took so much time into getting all the gods and stories to be accurate to the confusing mess that is greek mythology. last night i spent a good amount of time looking at articles and descriptions of the gods/people of the game and they were practically spot on. I didn't even know zagreus was an actual god in mythology (he doesnt have that many stories or history though) and that the nuances of his real life history are also in the game, like the Dionysus thing. they did a really good job with the game
pseudo onyx
Yeah I love this game more than most games I've played the past few years. I sort of wish it cost more because it's a very shut up and take my money sort of situation, the production of this is just top notch
lunar cypress
Just hope for DLC :P
pseudo onyx
I don't think they're known for expansions/DLC but I would hope for more the story to continue a little farther and such
lunar cypress
No but this is also the first type they;ve tackled this genre. And they hit it out of the park anyway
nocturne path
in the faq they said no plans for that kind of stuff as of now
lunar cypress
Maybe a sequel then. Hopefully. Ah well
north pier
I think the price is set well, charging 60 bucks for a title of this size wouldn't really match current trends. Of course it's worth at least that much, but that price point is a stiff "pass" for a ton of people
pseudo onyx
Yeah, all of their games had a bit of a cyclical nature to them this was how to do it 110%, spot on
nocturne path
i would definitely loved to see more gods like apollo and to have like a boss rush against the other gods
dapper temple
Got the game today and wow
pseudo onyx
I noticed I sometimes get a title when I clear like 'made a friend along the way', 'fisher king' ,etc, is there a list of these? I just noticed going through the records lol
opaque canopy
Is there any news about the special on bow getting a nerf? Saw a comment on reddit to this effect
static wadi
@opaque canopy test branch iirc
pseudo onyx
Gosh I hope it doesn't I will be sad
opaque canopy
pseudo onyx
oh great that's what they're called thank you haha
opaque canopy
:)
nocturne path
i would like to know where supergiant got all their info on the mythology, would be a great read
static wadi
@nocturne path greek myths?
pseudo onyx
I think they do
nocturne path
yeah greek myths, but there are many places to find all of the myths and i dont trust wikipedia to read up on everything
brisk trail
They have one but it only has the logo. I want some of the characters and stuff.
I will buy the logo one though eventually.
drowsy finch
I have a question.
If I carry the bone hourglass, do I just get a ton of chaos gates?
from the one item that always gives one in the next room?
Can I just use the ||Guan Yu||, farm health, and get like 9 seperate curses?
nocturne path
isnt that sale only applicable to the next available room and thats it?
drowsy finch
Bone hourglass IN THEORY extends the number of encounters it lasts for.
brisk trail
Hades is my favorite game and I plan on majoring in Mythology when I go to college, lowkey want a Hades game tattoo. Perhaps of one of the keepsakes or something.
drowsy finch
I need to know how to optimize my bad decision making.
nocturne path
i dont think thats how the item works
it only works on the +n number of encounter sales
the chaos gate is more specific and will only give you one, at least i think
because then the one about the troves would work the same
gusty slate
Oh does it now?
drowsy finch
Source I got is ooooooooold.
gusty slate
Interesting
nocturne path
ive never tried
drowsy finch
woops spoiler tags.
ancient dirge
im 5hrs into the game and ive only beaten ||magaera 3x|| and gotten to ||the snake once||. do i suck?
tribal glade
no, that sounds about right
some in here will have smashed way past that in the same time and some will be behind you in terms of progress
deep geyser
Rain you're doing better than I did lolo
tribal glade
i cant remember how long it took me to get to the bone hydra, but i do remember that it took me a long LONG time to finally beat the game with the sword, lol
deep geyser
I didn't get to Hydra for a bit
I got a sword win today actuall finally
With secret aspect and special spam
tribal glade
like, i had multiple consecutive wins on higher and higher difficulties with other weapons before my first clear with the sword, lol
oh nice work @deep geyser
drowsy finch
Spear was my first clear because I like to lean on the crutch that is staying 50 meteres away from the speeeeeeen
tribal glade
so it could be a weapon thing (in terms of progress) or it could be a systems thing, learning the boons and enemies etc that really dictate how far you get in what timeframe
yeah i love that spear, lol
couldnt keep playing it though as i was getting a sore wrist from spamming attack when i couldnt just javelin my way to victory
drowsy finch
My second clear was shield. It was entirely because I could comfortably sit behind my shield and charge shot to victory.
deep geyser
I think I just have Bow to get a clear w/ now
drowsy finch
"Not gettin' out of this corner."
deep geyser
Zeus Shield was my first
brisk trail
So I can’t get the contract to help Sisyphus
deep geyser
Drunken Frisbee
gusty slate
Unupgraded fist was my first lol
brisk trail
I’ve talked to him and than and Meg but no option
deep geyser
Yep lol
grim owl
i wish we got the guitar tutorial for the lament of orpheus from darren korb 😭
deep geyser
My fav win was with Crit build rail
drowsy finch
Its very comforting to know that instead of trying to panic and focus down all thhe things before they do a shockwave or run away, I can just hold left click in a corner.
deep geyser
Nearly 1440 damage per special bomb
drowsy finch
I had a real good rail build today that made me appreciate the thing.
deep geyser
Tossing like Coby but instead of basketballs it was mini nukes
drowsy finch
Like, Zeus attack, legendary, and Jolt with the duo that makes it never expire.
deep geyser
Lol
tribal glade
i love never expiring jolt - its my new fav build
drowsy finch
So if anything attacked it took 90 damage, and every time they got shot they took like 60
deep geyser
Artemis is one ofmy favs cause crit chance\
pseudo onyx
ok ||aspect of rama|| with drunken on special is a bit silly
deep geyser
Eternis please make the hidden aspects spoilters
gusty slate
The wannabe rail is how I play that
pseudo onyx
Oh, oops
drowsy finch
I said to myself "i aint gonna build the rail for special because i gotta learn to love ALL of the rail"
and I did.
pseudo onyx
uhh. Can't remember the spoiler tag whats the thing
gusty slate
use || on both sides
deep geyser
|| what you wanna say | |
gusty slate
can also highlight and a popup appears
drowsy finch
Honestly I know some people have suggested it, and I don't do it but it totally helps.
Running whatever has dark thirst gives you an appreciation for all sortsa builds
gusty slate
I build however and whatever I'm feelin
pseudo onyx
that's what I do, unless I have a hidden aspect that was revealed I have been doing those as they pop up
gusty slate
build variation is huge
drowsy finch
Took me a while to appreciate poseidon but razor shoals is like
mmmm
chef's kiss.
gusty slate
His duo with Dem is even more
pseudo onyx
LOL Chaos's ideas of "amusement" are pretty delightful
gusty slate
Chaos Aspect will have them say things from time to time
lunar cypress
I would LOVE ||Guan Yu|| if not for its GIGANTIC downsides...even if they just take away the ||Heal on spin|| and the downsides or something, it'd be so much more fun
gusty slate
I get nervous using that aspect
drowsy finch
I should touch base with the special shield at some point.
gusty slate
Special spam is my only answer
lunar cypress
Its just a much worse Cursed Sword
pseudo onyx
Yeah I hate how all my health and healing is gone. I managed to survive by using the Dio stun and slurpin up their life while they sit there dazed
drowsy finch
I on the other hand LOVE playing like an insane person.
I... wish I had it upgraded more so It didn't screw me quite as hard!
lunar cypress
Also due to how it works it essentially forces you to build around the spin or else you get no survivability
lunar cypress
I could see the downsides being appropriate if it was either you healed on EVERY attack form, or if it was just HP regen
hidden pawn
If Hephaestus was a god, what would his debuff be?
drowsy finch
cerb trinket + 4th sword + maxed health = 200 health on start
This is true strength.
plucky sail
Oh yeah 4th spear is baaaaaad. Not nearly enough healing to justify it but that adds to the challenge I suppose
thorn tendon
gusty slate
Nah true strength is 8k attack
drowsy finch
[Bonk]
hidden pawn
I feel once you get really high hp it starts to be diminishing returns
drowsy finch
drowsy finch
It stops being diminishhing returns when you do Defiance and get 100 healthh
that's the SECRET real point of having insane health
get to the final boss and when he pulls out a second health bar you pull out approximately 3 health bars worth through death defy.
gusty slate
WIth hermes dash heal it's even more lol
I had a build on 4th sword, ~450 hp- hermes dash heal and all the def boost I could find
deep geyser
@plucky sail I heard once oyu get it to 4 or 5 Its really good
gusty slate
It does pretty decent damage
deep geyser
Honestly the reason I like it is I can still use my weapon after I throw
drowsy finch
It's okay if you get a bunchh of really good spin upgrades on hammer
deep geyser
The secret sword takes some getting used to for the swing speed
drowsy finch
Jokes on you I religiously used the big dumb hammer in bayonetta 2
tribal glade
yeah gimme them spin upgrades
drowsy finch
plucky sail
I don't agree with a weapon that's only good if you get a particular hammer so I just really don't like spear 4 overall, but I do at least like the way the spin goes frisbee
Oh dude hades spear is super fun
drowsy finch
Achilles spear is nice to me but that's because I like being able to dash halfway across a room.
deep geyser
Like I said if yu can get spin upgrades its so fun
Haven't tried achilles yet
I'm still trying to get him to bone you know who again lol
plucky sail
I'm too clumsy and agressive to properly use Achilles ngl
plucky sail
No no okay, see
gusty slate
but my lizard brain doesn't comprehend unless I have cast build going
plucky sail
It's like Willie E. Coyote with me. I throw it, right? Then I dash towards it thinking YEAH I'M GONNA BOP YA GET READY FOR SOME EXTRA DAMAGE STABBINGS
But then Syke, I miscalculated the distance
drowsy finch
Oh and thheres one more thing about achilles spear.
Did you know that the spear can trigger traps where it lands?
plucky sail
And I just go barreling through the air past my enemy right into a spike trap
Like coyote on a rocket flying off into a rock cliff
drowsy finch
It's hilarious, it is like peak hilarity to just throw it at the pressure plate and watch something get smacked by a trap.
deep geyser
@plucky sail Preach! I play way too agrresive lol
drowsy finch
Yeah the spear can press plates where it lands.
This isn't just achilles, its all of them.
but you can choose where achilles lands, so...
plucky sail
TIME FOR THE BONE HOURGLASS TRAP KILL RUN BOYS
deep geyser
That's honestly why I love the 4th sword
I can rush but have the special ready to protect me
plucky sail
I literally had no idea spears could trigger pressure traps that is hilarious
drowsy finch
trap kill run sounds like a hilarious run.
plucky sail
I was just wondering what I should do for a Zag spear run since it's been a minute
Now I know
gusty slate
I've been trying to get big numbers brrr on 4th sword. Just won't let me 😦
deep geyser
Stack the special
gusty slate
I wanna feel that 8k
brisk trail
Why can’t I give diamonds to help Sisyphus, Than, Meg, and sis don’t say anything new
drowsy finch
Oh, oh and here's something that sucks.
plucky sail
The 4th sword didn't click at all with me until I realized that I can dash WHILE Zag is winding up the attacks
drowsy finch
Because you always have to do the stab before doing the speeeeeeeeeeeen
gusty slate
Need to talk to Hades and Nyx some
drowsy finch
you can't save ares' on kill buff
drowsy finch
deep geyser
reg yeah thats why i find Ares isntgood w/ the spear
brisk trail
Is that the chamber with like records and shades doing paperwork
deep geyser
Spear I say Artemis is pretty safe w/ any weapon, or Aphro can be good cause weakness
thorny cairn
Just got the Credits Ending and wow... so I feel empty
thorny cairn
I mean I truly enjoyed dying like, 60 times or so before getting there
What a fun game
I suspect on high heat it’s a lot less fun
brisk trail
I don’t wanna stop playing because there’s no content
rustic gale
there’s a lot of stuff after the ending for sure
brisk trail
Pog
deep geyser
And I don't think I'm gonna get there any time soon
gusty slate
high heat can get your blood pumping
rustic gale
epilogue + a bunch of extra + new convos, plus favors
gusty slate
...in a number of ways
thorny cairn
It took 52 tries to kill REDACTED 10 times, but my first was after 33 I think
Definitely got a lot better as time went on and improved the mirror
Hot @gusty slate
static wadi
@thorny cairn call him redacted or final boss
thorny cairn
Fair sorry
deep geyser
I love how Hypnos can't figure out who REDACTED is on the list lol
Like ||Hey Hades suddenly isn't home and Zag got killed by someone. Cool||
gusty slate
Just a coincidence... nap time again
deep geyser
Lol
tribal glade
@thorny cairn im still enjoying it even after ||the epilogue|| and using the higher heats
thorny cairn
Wow I only have 36 percent achievements on steam damn 😦
deep geyser
Haha im at 42
deep geyser
Honestly I need to work on prophecies
granite plinth
I can't get spear to work
gusty slate
Nah, the fates can't tell me how I play the game
granite plinth
It just does 0 damage
deep geyser
Hades and spin
granite plinth
All my spear wins end up with me going Demeter cast and stalling
tribal glade
hit fast, hit lots
gusty slate
Spear is my most tedious weapon. I actually just go cast builds
Unless I can find nice special hammers
tribal glade
yeah the spear really likes a good hammer or 2 🙂
granite plinth
What are the best hammers?
granite plinth
I liked exploding
weary urchin
just run n gun
gusty slate
I like all the ricochet hammers
deep geyser
I hate the spear and shielf regular specials cause they leave you unarmed
gusty slate
Shooting through wallsmakes me feel good
deep geyser
And as a person who dives in melee I like to have a weapon
granite plinth
Even then exploding doesn't even do that much damage
gusty slate
I like the crit on return hammer
granite plinth
It just makes the spear actually usable
remote lily
You should also invest in backstab dmg then , you know
if there is weapon which can make use of it, its spear special
tribal glade
yeah zag spear and +backstab = bffs
twilit stag
Yoooooo Aspect of Hestia is disgusting
I'm glad I gave it a second look with a crap ton of titan blood
deep geyser
Ok so I definitely didn't discover this but I'm deeming the Rail + Support fire built the akimbo build cause thats what it feels like lol
Its honeslty fun af
plucky sail
Dude I know right?? Support Fire is SO fun
Fists of rail and it's just an unending stream
*or
I don't even care if the damage isn't high I just like seeing all these arrows fly
opaque canopy
Is there anywhere I can read about the design philosophy behind guan yu?
I don't understand the thought process that went into its balancing
plucky sail
Dude I'd love that as well because I really don't know what it's meant to DO
opaque canopy
Yeah. I'll maybe make a reddit post asking this if I remember to
plucky sail
People mentioned before that healing is really powerful but no actually not, maximum of five HP per charge attack when most enemies die before even getting ticked that many times is uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
nah
granite ether
Life steal on a weapon without any downside is incredibly dangerous
opaque canopy
I agree
plucky sail
But just actually making the life stealing move is already a downside, especially on higher heat, because this requires you to stay there and take a lug or ten to the face while you charge. And even the recovery is slow
granite ether
The game isn't balanced for high heat though Sonny
opaque canopy
I just feel that the life steal doesn't play a central role in how it's used. People build around special and defensive play and only use the lifesteal rarely
opaque canopy
Unlike cursed Slash or the cutter for malaphon, it doesn't feel very compelling. But it's just a consumer opinion
plucky sail
I totally agree, so if you do find the design philosophy thing please let me know too because I am curious
I call it "It's a worse every other spear" which is why I'm never using it again after getting that prophecy sorted out unless something comes to me that makes me change my mind
opaque canopy
It'll be on reddit, probably heavily downvoted. I'll make it now then.
narrow hemlock
i feel like the weps are all actually fairly well balanced precisely because people feel so strongly towards them as to whether theyre amazing or garbage. there isnt really a full consensus other than the frequent "bow is bad" posts i see from newer players. some people really like guan yu and can make it work at higher heat, some people hate its entire existence
plucky sail
Well for me the issue is more less that I just dislike it, it's also that I don't get it. There are other weapons I dislike but I can look at them at a glance and soon realize "Ah, it's for x playstyle, alright"
Guan Yu is for uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Flexing on the final boss by gimping yourself?
zealous flare
i like the special on guan yu but the spin attack i feel nothing for
i dont like building it
static wadi
i use spin for healing only
zealous flare
i didnt know new players didnt like the bow, it was my favourite weapon when i started
yeah but the problem is if you dont build spin the healing sucks because it takes forever to come out
and you can get hit while youre trying to do it
if you have patience you can totally heal up for sure
but like, patience huh
static wadi
i dont build spin
gusty slate
what's this... pat...patience?
plucky sail
Pa-teen-se? Is that a minor god?
static wadi
so i rarely lose hp
zealous flare
yeah, i prefer building special
plucky sail
But yeah that's the problem, all joking aside even if you're playig patiently....If you're doing that, you ca just dodge attacks and spam special
Which you can do better with zag or achilles because they're faster and have more added benefits
zealous flare
but in general id probably rather go zag spear and build the explosive spear toss hammer
the 50% health nerf just isnt really worth it for me with guan yu
static wadi
nah it's ok
plucky sail
Yeah so like, putting it all together, Guan Yu has onne massive downside in the health ad healing department, and one very tiny upside in healing. While also losing attack speed, which translates to DPS, and having a special that's nothing exciting compared to every other spear
static wadi
only problem can be with Secret boss
when u face final boss u already have enough HP usually
so GY is ok
plucky sail
That doesn't make it good or okay, it just makes it something you can ignore which isn't a point in favor of the weapon
zealous flare
i have not died with guan yu, but in general when im using it im just like, yeah this is fine but id probably just have more fun with a different aspect
static wadi
well choice is yours as usual
zealous flare
but my opinion with all of the weapons is that they are balanced equally across the board, and its just personal preference
like my opinion of guan yu is just a personal preference, because objectively i think they are all tuned perfectly
plucky sail
Again I just really really wish I knew what the concept for GY was. I'm fine with not liking it, that's a'ight, but not understanding it at all is what bites at me
zealous flare
the only one that i think is funky is that 4th gun aspect with auto aim turned on
and that's just because it doesnt really work
plucky sail
Did any of the developers actually ever expand on this?
zealous flare
(on switch, at least)
what do you mean by the concept
like, what the legendary weapon was meant to be?
plucky sail
Like, what Guan Yu's playstyle is meant to be like. Every other weapon you can pretty easily say "Ah, it's meant to do x" or "Okay, I can play this like y"
But Guan Yu has nothing that strikes out as itself
zealous flare
oh i dont know about that, i think it makes sense the way you would/could use it
plucky sail
Please help me understand here then because anything good that it does I can do with any other spear aspect, I'd really like to be able to see something unique and usable about GY
gusty slate
GY has higher damage moveset if I reclal
plucky sail
But slow as mollases attacks. It translates into less damage overall. I can get equal or more damage with Zag spear just because I poke more. And throw + recall does more damage than GY's special, too
Same ammount of time
Like if Guan Yu did that THICC damage like Arthur does that would be one thing
But it really doesn't
static wadi
btw arent secret aspects spoilers in this channel
surreal solar
is there an semi-objective best god?
ashen vessel
theres a specific hammer for GY that allows the spin to travel for 80% longer
just sayin - if you wanna switch it up
plucky sail
yeah but one possible RNG upgrade isn't a substitute for a good base weapon you know
narrow hemlock
dunno why you're so fixated on not understanding an aspect tho, i mean... thats totally fine. maybe it just doesnt mesh with you, not a big deal
ashen vessel
i mean the hammers really transform many of the weapons
plucky sail
Also I'm pretty sure Artemis has won best girl award like fifteen times over
static wadi
hammers usually transforms RAIL
gusty slate
Don't really think we can change your mind lol
static wadi
not much
ashen vessel
i mean im not arguing with you
to each their own. im the kinda player that picks whatever weapon has dark thirst
opaque canopy
I'm just interested in understanding it because it doesn't feel as well thought out as the other fourth aspects, even shield. Maybe it's just that it was the first.
plucky sail
No I know, that's not the problem, like obvs I get that hammers can change up a playstyle a lot, that's like their big draw. It's more like
Any sword aspect will have something unique and usable to it from the start, regardless if you get a crazy hammer or not. Any aspect of every other weapon has their unique draws and mechanics that make you powerful in some new way. GY doesn't, ya feel? It does what other spears do, but worse, for little to no payoff
gusty slate
Maybe, but I don't recall them really touching it anymore
narrow hemlock
most aspects of the game are fairly well thought out, to an absurd degree in some cases
not jiving with a wep doesnt inherently mean its not as thought out
ashen vessel
had to load it up, but GY's special spear throw is sick
narrow hemlock
parts of the game i suppose i should say since i dont mean the aspects specifically but aspects as in. the components of the game as a whole
ashen vessel
or its fun to me i should say
gusty slate
GY special has that crackle
plucky sail
No look but I'm really not trying to say it's bad or not thought out because I don't like it. I don't like bewolf either but it's clearly a super well though out weapon and I can tell what it's meant to do at a glance, right?
gusty slate
I mean, for GY I just see higher base damages and different moveset with a healing effect
rather unique
thorny cairn
Guan you guan me guan erryone
static wadi
yu
plucky sail
Make it an artemis build and turn it into Guac Yu
eager path
Have a question yall. So you know how Artemis has boons that increase your crit chance for specials? Can you increase your crit chance with pomms or is the crit chance capped?
plucky sail
I think it depends on the boon itself
Pressure points will increase the crit chance but deadly flourish just the damage
I think they were careful about increasing crit chance because as it turns out, crits are preeeeetty good
flat vapor
for core artemis boons, they have entirely set crit chances
flat vapor
you need separate sources of critical chances to affect these boons more (this usually comes in the form of other artemis boons)
plucky sail
Rarity also increases crit chance right?
dark agate
hi everyone! i got good riddance from eurydice and orpheus has sung it, but i can’t seem to buy it from the house contractor.
do i have to buy the contractor’s desk, deluxe to unlock it?
rustic imp
pseudo onyx
Hmmm suggest anything for the hidden aspect shield? The alternate cast stuff always feels clunky to me
lunar cypress
Uhh don't use Abyssal Soul I guess. I don't like it much myself
zealous flare
i find anything that works as a nuke to be kinda neat for it
basically just stacking them up and then dashing in as a nuke on a bunch of enemies
blade rifts and such are also cool/fun
iron saffron
blade rift beyblade shield is fantastic with Shield HA
i can also imagine full wine setup/high tolerance/trippy flare being effective
late siren
man every time i play this game i wanna reread the percy jackson series
sterile coyote
Does switch version and pc has different layouts? Finished on switch and played pc for couple of hours, noticed some new maps there I've never seen on switch