#h1-discussion
scenic path
plucky hazel
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drowsy finch
Always choose whoever isn't ares.
Always.
Ares' is the easiest punishment to deal with for me, by far.
granite wadi
Poseidon and Aphro are sometimes rude about where they spawn projectiles
drowsy finch
Aphro and Poseidon's projectiles are NIGHTMARISH
granite wadi
Athena is technically easiesr, but it's so boring to wait
scenic path
I actively avoid Poseidon and || Demeter ||
granite wadi
Dio's being random is sorta annoying. The little bogs are small so it's easy to accidentally dash into one. Not much damage though
Same on ||Demeter||
granite wadi
Also my least favourite to appear for Theseus
scenic path
Aphro is an annoying one too
north pier
Athena is just a buzzkill
drowsy finch
Then again, I also can't say I often want Ares' stuff.
scenic path
Athena should actually deflect tbh
Using a gun or a bow will mean youāll have to choose something else
granite wadi
Beyblade call is fun, especially if you stack all his spinny stuff
north pier
I go back and forth with Doom, is it OP if you get it going right
drowsy finch
See when I started I was like "man hes the god of fightin' stuff, hes gotta have great damage" and then I just realized that the only time I ever wanted his stuff was...
Okay so I don't like doom, but I also realize it's really good if youre NOT building for whatever you put it on
Sometimes I'll throw doom on whatever im not building for.
granite wadi
but yeah, I use him a lot less then I did at the start
drowsy finch
I think that's the comfy ideal that I've set for Ares
plucky hazel
since I always have Athena's Dash on my good runs, the worst gods to anger are the ones with unreflectable AoE dmg
granite wadi
Now I mainly go for the generic 'do more damage and' more damage after DD' Ares boons
north pier
Doom + Stacking on fist attack seems pretty good regardless
drowsy finch
Yeah but is it as good as an equivalent thing from anyone else?
north pier
i mean that's when you go full chaos
granite wadi
I also don't mind it if I have Aphro on something for damage
The duo boon makes the doom more useful there
drowsy finch
Also, I have said before I don't like Rail.
There is one exception.
Lightning Strike + Supporting Fire
scenic path
I donāt like rail or shield
drowsy finch
Deliiiiicious
static wadi
@drowsy finch did u try rail special builds?
scenic path
Only shield I can use is the one which hits like a truck
static wadi
yup
granite wadi
I say I don't like rail, but I also have the best successful run rate with rail
bright lance
holy crap
I was at 10 health and then literally ran around for 3 minutes to regain full health with Stubborn Roots (1 hp per 0.8 seconds)
and eventually after enough blizzard shot casts i ||beat hades|| LOL
drowsy finch
STUBBORN ROOTS IS SO GOOD
granite wadi
Congrats!
drowsy finch
STUBBORN ROOTS WAS THE ENTIRE REASON I WON MY FIRST [REDACTED]
bright lance
lool haha
scenic path
Suborn roots is amazing
drowsy finch
See it's a hilarious story too because I was in elysium
bright lance
just running around was stressful cause sometimes i got hit and had to start over lol
scenic path
Especially if used on || guan yu||
drowsy finch
Thinking to myself "Hmm, is that Athena?"
drowsy finch
"Ehhhhhh screw it I got Demeter, what aree the odds I get stubborn roots!"
bright lance
I literally thought it was over until I remembered stubborn roots existed
scenic path
Is 100% chance dodge allowed in game or?
scenic path
Cuz I was planning on fist pure dodge chance run
drowsy finch
Stubborn Roots is SO GOOD
gusty slate
We can get pretty close?
granite wadi
I'm still running the mirror one that boosts duo/leg chance until I get them all
static wadi
zag fist plume and dodge boon
scenic path
Highest dodge chance Iāve hit is like 60%+
granite wadi
But I would pick Athena anyway to try for her freebie DDs
north pier
If you could get 100% dodge then I think ||high heat strats|| would be way different
scenic path
Yeah those 3
static wadi
but as was mentioned before dodge chance works weird
gusty slate
idk how it's calculated though
static wadi
not additive
gusty slate
As Hermes has... what was it call for dodge chance?
north pier
is there a dodge chance equation written down somewhere
static wadi
@gusty slate yup
drowsy finch
Athena has a lot of the REALLY GOOD survivability stuff
gusty slate
Pair that with fist, plume, dodge boon
static wadi
@drowsy finch same as aphro
drowsy finch
Same with grandma, honestly.
scenic path
Wish dodge keepsake gave 2% dodge chance 
drowsy finch
Chill is real spicy.
static wadi
@drowsy finch well i better say dio
not her
i do not like chill it doesnt work for animations
only ms
scenic path
Dio/aphro/Athena are very defensive
gusty slate
Dio is an allrounder tbh
drowsy finch
But less on the rail because the rail while totally benefitting from the explodey chill, does not benefit as much from the percentage damage buffs
static wadi
soooo
i have rail special build
i have 1 hammer upgrade for specail
and 1 for attack
now i'm looking for annvil
and ask myself do i feel lucky
drowsy finch
Always feel lucky, and just remember.
If you fail, it makes Chaos happy.
And that's all the inspiration you need!
scenic path
I felt real lucky when I got all spin attack upgrades after anvil with || guan yu||
static wadi
@scenic path nah only special
drowsy finch
Great Grandpa loves you, even if you don't hold his egg.
scenic path
Chaos does look pretty cool tbh
opaque nexus
What do you guys think is harder a no dash run or a dash only run
I just realized Achilles exists
scenic path
No dash run is much much harder
static wadi
oh yes!!!! Aphro Pos duo for better poms!
cool!
just when i bought all poms in shop!
scenic path
Dashing is what saves me from 90% of the damage
plucky hazel
Cant I somehow force the game to run
in the background
when I alt Tab
it pauses
I want it to keep running
gaunt ridge
What will happen if I lose the competition to ||Thanatos|| ?
static wadi
yup
barren ocean
static wadi
@barren ocean logic
Zag is good i help him
Zag is doing bad so he need more help - nah no hp go die
plucky hazel
Im always super confused as to which renovations are TYPES of a renovation
and which ones are new ones
you know, like there's drapery colours that are obviously a type of drapery
but there's various chairs
that look different
static wadi
u just buy them all
woven cipher
Does exit wounds from Artemis count only once, or once per cast stuck in enemy?
woven cipher
If I use Poseidon aspect to dislodge, so technically it only leaves at one instance, does it still do damage per cast?
fresh steppe
I think so
drowsy finch
From what I understand, yes.
flat vapor
wdym
drowsy finch
So just
static wadi
exit wounds is one of the best boons for poseidon aspect
flat vapor
a cast dislodges, each dislodge causes damage with exit wounds
pos sword just forces each cast to dislodge on hit
there's no difference whether they leave at the same time or not
drowsy finch
There's a reason that people say Poseidon is one of the better aspects.
woven cipher
Cool, thanks! I'm quite close to having a perfect cast run, just need Hermes legendary now
I've only played this game last week so still inexperienced
static wadi
@woven cipher u better have artemis leg not hermes
woven cipher
If Hermes legendary does automatic return, doesn't it make my cast like a machine gun if I stand on the boss?
Hit -> dislodge -> pickup automatically?
static wadi
@woven cipher yup but with sword u r usually close enough to collect them by self
woven cipher
I see, makes sense. Let's see which one I get, I'm not using the legendary perk from the mirror
So might not even get legendary boon this round
drowsy finch
Exit Wounds basically turns the thing from pretty good to spicy.
woven cipher
Well looks like I just to lost 2 death defiance to a Demeter trial of the gods, so run might be scuffed
gusty slate
Nah you got this
bright lance
I got the exclusive access duo boon (new boons are minimum epic) on the last room before ||hades|| lol
I was only able to use it to get one extra epic boon, good enough
tepid plover
So you can only up to 4 normal gods in a run?
Normal excludes hermes
Or how does it work
sharp fossil
yeah the game stops offering you different gods after you hit 4
but you can still force a different one with a keepsake if you want
tepid plover
So you can get 5 normal and hermes on top of that?
static wadi
@tepid plover even more
tepid plover
Getting 30% from that mirror upgrade
tepid plover
Oh you can?
sharp fossil
i mean, if you get the base 4 in tartarus in theory you can force another in asphodel, elysium and styx as well as grabbing hermes
static wadi
so it's even 8
tepid plover
How would you "force" wouldn't the game just cycle through the sames if you reroll?
sharp fossil
dunno how often youād actually want to do that tho lol
static wadi
@tepid plover keepsake
sharp fossil
exactly
tepid plover
Aight thanks
I want a charon companion, so I can summon him and he can repeatedly smack someone with that steering stick thing
gusty slate
need armor break asap
drowsy finch
Its like doomstone but his projectiles are homing and his spawns are infinitely tankier.
If it doesn't burn a defy on me it usually takes at least half my health.
tepid plover
Need to kill it asap, even if you take some dmg in the process
Armor dmg surely helps
woven cipher
I got the Hermes legendary on the temple lol
This is a dream cast run, super stoked
Oh.... The legendary doesn't automatically dislodge it.. it just return it...
This sucks
Can I get 2 legendary a run?
olive cipher
Ok so I've been playing for a few days but I've gotten into the habit of spamming dash attacks any tips on standard play?
vale dagger
Wonder what the easiest way to get the first win is.
sharp fossil
spamming dash attacks is a pretty valid strategy sometimes (all the time for bow and sword lol)
thing you gotta be aware of with that is that dash attacking cancels the i-frames you get from dashing
flat vapor
that's dangerous on weapons like fists, for example
olive cipher
Yeah I really want to like fists but idk how to run it
gusty slate
The game's final form is quite strong
brisk trail
Dio is the only alcoholic we support
vale dagger
Yeah,my current strat is "dash to the edge of shield or spear special range, throw it, dash more"
olive cipher
I need to stop spamming dodge because I end up killing myself
granite ether
@vale dagger ||the hades fight|| is spoilers in this channel, please use spoiler tags ^_^
sullen raptor
i find the fists with the magnetic pull are Really powerful
olive cipher
Idk how to get more titan souls they're not appearing anymore
woven cipher
@olive cipher I has the same problem, and someone told me to run Athena on base attack
You basically deflect almost permanently
olive cipher
Nice
woven cipher
Gave me the first clear I got on fist
olive cipher
How do I get more titan souls anyway, 1st boss isn't dropping them anymore
olive cipher
And I wasted 2 before I knew about weapon upgrades oof
brisk trail
There's more than enough Titan Blood to get every weapon maxed.
olive cipher
I haven't done a single clearnyet
brisk trail
Does anything happen if you get 3 stars on all keepsakes?
Is there a reason I should rank up my other keepsakes Iām not using?
flat vapor
completion, achievement
brisk trail
So nothing? Just if you want to 100% the game?
woven cipher
Do I have to talk to thanos and Meg, and exhaust their dialogue, for companion shady?
Is there an easy way to get them to show up in the house?
fresh steppe
You can get āthanosā in the house if you complete an encounter with him. Meg shows up at the house if you do her fight
zealous flare
Thanos lmao
dense folio
Is Thanatos the npc encounter in Styx?
cloud apex
Nope, only for previous locations
dense folio
ah
Is there a prerequisite for him showing up? I just really wanna see that funny death god
woven cipher
Do I have to fight her specifically, or will get sisters do?
woven cipher
Ugh... I've been suiciding all day trying to get her to talk to me
flat vapor
if you have access to the pact, turn on EM1
woven cipher
Ah yeah, good shout. Does that force her to always appear in the house?
flat vapor
she'll appear as long as she's the main or one of the supports
if she's not one of those, she won't appear, but it'll be a low chance of that
hushed hamlet
hardy escarp
Not gonna lie, these ||Secret aspects|| are pretty frustrating
I don't like them so far
brisk trail
Guys I have a question
The broker is offering 200 gemstone for 1 titan blood. Should I trade away 1 titan blood?
brisk trail
Apparently you can use titan blood later to upgrade weapons or something idk
flat vapor
keep it
hardy escarp
That's true, but 200 gemstones is just a stupid amount
flat vapor
only trade when you know exactly what it is you're trading away
brisk trail
Fine
woeful solstice
I wouldn't trade titan blood for really anything until you know you don't need it anymore.
hardy escarp
idk I would say trade it but take what I say with a grain of salt
deep geyser
Ugh, I had a fun build but it didnāt make it
hardy escarp
you probably should have censored that lol
dense folio
prepare to give her a lot more because she is the best disembodied gorgon head
hardy escarp
I'm almost done giving her all mine
I just need to give her 4 more and I have all the hearts
brisk trail
I finished game earlier on attempt 19, which is decent I think
deep geyser
Nice congrats man!
brisk trail
would've had it one earlier but I was using ||gaun yu|| aspect and poison damage knocked off both of my death defiances in one room
it was rough
brisk trail
it was a great run, I was doing like 1500 damage per spin cast
had daedlus hammer spin attack speed and damage/size upgrades
brisk trail
alright I suppose
deep geyser
Not my rule man
I got told about it ealier so I'm just trying to keep you out of trouble
brisk trail
I hear there are cosmetics for zagreus
but I haven't seen any yet
There are not.
Was a post a while back from either one of the artists or SGG as a brand and the way they animated would mean that adding cosmetics for Zag would require them to reanimate his everything.
ah, I suppose he's drawn in each frame instead of being like, a model?
makes sense I suppose
Maybe modders could do such a thing, darkest-dungeon style.
shell ice
||there are, however, cosmetics for the UI||
brisk trail
does streak do anything?
shell ice
characters sometimes refer to it in dialogue, but besides that no.
hardy escarp
It doesn't do anything
but I find it cool to have
Stupid goddamn useless piece of trash that I hate
cloud apex
you seem to be a bit hot-headed for that aspect, indeed
(jokes aside, it can take a long time getting used to swiiiiiing time)
hardy escarp
I feel so immobile dude
like I've got a bunch of rocks on my shoulders while im swinging that crap
Well at least I got holy liege
but geez idk if I'll ever use that again
drowsy finch
just
wear the spiked collar, wield the sword hidden aspect
bam 200 health
sit in your aura and never die
drowsy finch
hardy escarp
And I lost to redacted
coral vigil
or use Achilles keepsake plus aura
coral vigil
aphro and athena
gg
every got hit by em4 boss 4 and only get 10 health chipped off of 400 health spicy af
drowsy finch
Just become so tanky that everything has to DPS race you
coral vigil
add Zeus and Ares duo for max pleasure
drowsy finch
"No [REDACTED], I am the god now." and then you crit for like 1000
coral vigil
KEKW
drowsy finch
||Who's your daddy.||
drowsy finch
Fair.
hardy escarp
Maybe I'll try it again later
coral vigil
I like it because its like I'm guts from Berserk
drowsy finch
That's always the dream.
coral vigil
If we get any DLC I hope we get a flail
drowsy finch
Let me trade weapons with Meg.
She can borrow the Stygian Blade, I'll take the whip.
coral vigil
I just realized how broken Thesus is he has 2 weapons
hardy escarp
Is there any use for keys once I've unlocked the whole mirror?
coral vigil
Broker
drowsy finch
Uses of fated authority!
hardy escarp
oh yeah
Also I would so love a whip
If we get DLC that would totally be first on my list
drowsy finch
I feel like that'd just end up being the speear, sadly.
Honestly if you asked me to choose anything it'd probably just be something big and sweepy.
coral vigil
Flail/Moringstar is cool cuz aoe knockbacks
deft shell
Thanatos' scythe looks pretty big and sweepy lol
drowsy finch
Let me borrow Than's Scythe, yes.
coral vigil
How would a sythe combo look though
drowsy finch
We're homies. He can use the Rail for a day.
drowsy finch
Imagine, you are some mortal whos time has come and instead of the ol' scythe you've heard of in legends.
Than just shows up and points a giant gun in your face.
hardy escarp
Lmao
drowsy finch
coral vigil
A staff would be cool also
hardy escarp
"I'm done with this Scythe crap, lets just get this over with"
coral vigil
If we get another Hidden Aspect Set down the line I would love the Transistor
highly doubt it though
coral vigil
Instead of the gods they can focus on Titans next for DLC
man this game is so good their are limitless ideas I can give
TY Supergiant
thick ledge
does giving bouldy nectar ever do anytrhing btw?
coral vigil
you get a boon
coral vigil
a minor boon
thick ledge
oh dang i didn't even realize
thick ledge
š
coral vigil
and appreciation from Bouldy
coral vigil
all my homies love Bouldy
drowsy finch
Heres a reminder that, while the good shade appreciates you hanging out with him after every elysium win, the homies back at home in the admin chamber can always use some motivation.
coral vigil
Bouldy thou
drowsy finch
Always.
hardy escarp
what admin chamber
granite ether
11/10 cutie bouldy is
hardy escarp
what is that
lunar cypress
Hrmn...the mirror talents that give increased chance for rarity/epic, how do they work? Does it stack or do they sort of counteract eachother?
lunar cypress
So if you use both you'd have a higher chance for epics then? Or would it be more like, a few of the "rares" would be overriden so its slightly less efficient?
drowsy finch
I assume, and it feels like, they individually eat into the chance for commons to appear.
hardy escarp
I would think that the epics can eat at both the rare ones and the common ones
coral vigil
I would guess they are multiplicative
hardy escarp
epics can override the rare ones
lunar cypress
Hrmn. Wonder if it'd be better to instead have 2 talents that can each raise a boon to a higher tier
That way it'd help regardless AND work well with eachother
coral vigil
Off topic. I wish Asterius could hang out with us after a run.
Thesus can stay in Tartarus
drowsy finch
just knock him down and leave a nectar on his dead-not-dead body.
novel wasp
I was sorely mistaken about Cold Embrace being bad
Cold Embrace with more than 1 kidney stone is really stupid with Stygian cast
coral vigil
I'm convinced every duo boon has a purpose
brisk trail
They do.
novel wasp
the Cold Vortex is still kinda eh compared to the others
brisk trail
Sometimes their just directly contradicted by a better Duo/Legendary.
brisk trail
Like Lightning Rod being disabled entirely with Greater Recall.
drowsy finch
Stubborn Roots
brisk trail
I did have a very fun Freezing Vortex/Arctic Blast run with 4 Casts and Stygian Soul.
novel wasp
I think the most synergized god goes to either Possy, or Aphro
coral vigil
Has anyone got cold vortex + mirage shot+ hunting blades
brisk trail
Stubborn Roots is probably good with Stubborn Defiance.
drowsy finch
I will DIE on the hill with stubborn roots.
brisk trail
I couldn't get Hunting Blades to spawn, I'm not sure it will.
drowsy finch
it was the only reason i won my first run
coral vigil
Stubborn Roots has save me a couple runs
brisk trail
I thought they enabled the two together.
flat vapor
freezing vortex should not be exclusive with hunting blades, send tweet
lunar cypress
Stubborn roots is pretty nice but obviously at that point its gonna be a toss up. Keeps it tense though
drowsy finch
"Haha I'm only half waay into this man's healthbar on his second phase, I'm out of defy, time to friggin die with my 50 health."
And then I
regenerated more than 200 health throughout the course of the fight
and was fine.
novel wasp
@brisk trail i think my most stupid build is combine Curse of Nausea and the Aphro Dio combo
DIO IS ANGRY
coral vigil
I wish duos were not exclusive
flat vapor
the only thing i can see wrong with freezing hunting blades is arctic blast and like, it's hunting blades
brisk trail
Well yeah, Dionysus has one not-great boon.
novel wasp
i mean even curse of nausea alone is DISGUSTING already
hardy escarp
Jesus how do you guys remember the names of every boon wtf
drowsy finch
I don't.
novel wasp
I would say its the Scandilaning feast or something
flat vapor
you play the game a lot
brisk trail
My favorite build is Artemis/Aphro/Dio and getting all three of their Duos.
I've probably played for more than 1000 hours.
novel wasp
I still couldnt make use of freezing vortex since it got slower
crude geyser
I just got Fated Persuasion and I'm confused about how many times I can use it if I have 1 rank with it. The description ends with "(at a time)" which is kinda confusing.
flat vapor
My favorite build is Artemis/Aphro/Dio and getting all three of their Duos.
my favorite run ever was this + ares on eris, so i had massive hangover damage and hunting blades +75%
novel wasp
It needs a hunting bae for it to work properly
brisk trail
Freezing Vortex used to be stationary.
coral vigil
Aphro/Demeter/Artemis Duo is hilarious
novel wasp
or else alone with it is just sucks man
brisk trail
So I had those three plus Vicious Cycle Hunting Blades and Flurry Jab Hangover.
By the end of the Blade Rift's life it was critting for 400 damage.
novel wasp
yup. its the one that you actually need a lot of effort to make it work compared to other duos
like hunting baes for instance
drowsy finch
Flurry jab is great fun.
novel wasp
it synergizes itself lmao
flat vapor
one day i'll get the fully loaded mirage hunting blades run of my dreams
drowsy finch
Flurry Jab, again, part of the reason I won my first run. Holds a special place in my heart cuz of that.
coral vigil
I wish freezing vortex didnt decrease the blade size though
novel wasp
@flat vapor with possy sword
OCEAN MAN
also yeah, cold embrace
totally deserve to replace love triangle at this rate
drowsy finch
lead me to the land of approximately 700 dislodge damage.
novel wasp
i thought it still keeps its slow ass tracking hence i was very on the fence to use it
hardy escarp
Idk if I'm just stupid but how is aphro synergetic?
novel wasp
but good lord using a talos fist you basically just create a cold microwave carwash
its just me, but Aphro combos with some of the best primary duo boon or secondary duo boon
coral vigil
Aphro has the highest % modifer so yea
flat vapor
it's a shame that trippy shot is the only cast with duos that aren't exclusive with each other
novel wasp
oh and aphro has 2 effects which makes you feel like playing minecraft
flat vapor
freezing hunting blades should've been one, at least
drowsy finch
Aphro appeals to me and mostly in the "lizard brain like big number not get hurt"
brisk trail
Turns out that works even when you're galaxy-brained.
drowsy finch
oh and apparently her call is really good with smoldering air
drowsy finch
Yeah.
hardy escarp
I gave myself 2 chaos boons at once
novel wasp
@brisk trail Aphro is my favorite covid 19 lockdown popo
coral vigil
Aphro call vs Zeus Call wut
hardy escarp
Oh god what have I done
novel wasp
Weak
brisk trail
Oh yeah, two Chaos curses at the same time hurts.
drowsy finch
GRANDPA SAYS ITS TIME FOR DAMAGE
hardy escarp
Cosmic egg is pretty good
coral vigil
Once upon a time I had 5 chaos boons at once
hardy escarp
I've been using it and is pretty good
coral vigil
pain was my pleasure
novel wasp
@drowsy finch btw chaos is genderfluid
drowsy finch
this is true
novel wasp
but you know whats the better name for Chaos?
drowsy finch
grandperson.
novel wasp
ANCIENT JAMES CHARLES
brisk trail
Less genderfluid, more predates the concept.
novel wasp
Uh oh SISTER
novel wasp
flat vapor
sister shield of chaos
coral vigil
get that cursed image out of here XD
drowsy finch
Grand[REDACTED] Chaos says its time for damage.
novel wasp
Ź²įµįµįµĖ¢ į¶Ź°įµŹ³Ė”įµĖ¢
drowsy finch
and if they say its time to add 100% damage to your basic attack, who are you to judge the creator of everything?
hardy escarp
As much as I would love to say that that is cursed
it kinda looks a lot like him lel
novel wasp
Aw yeah time to add more Arthur's fist aka the Strikes from Chaos into the boon
coral vigil
Real chads use Arthur
drowsy finch
now, don't go castin' your specials or they gon slap you and do 5 damage
hardy escarp
Arthur is dook
novel wasp
chaos offer you three things
hardy escarp
DOOOOK
coral vigil
Wait is it possible to get more that 1 choas legendary?
drowsy finch
Grandperson chaos says its time for free death defiances
lunar cypress
..C-chaos has legendaries?
novel wasp
more, arthur's fist
brisk trail
is the goal to beat a 50 heat run
coral vigil
gonna do a 63 heat run brb
drowsy finch
you gotta impress mom.
hardy escarp
I lost to Thanatos
novel wasp
thanatoast
hardy escarp
north pier
real quick, how quickly does the blade rift hit. is it every 0.25 or every 0.2
brisk trail
.2
north pier
tyty
drowsy finch
If you really don't need health, and really just want to be lazy.
You can TOTALLY just sit back and let than clear the room
novel wasp
nah
drowsy finch
i mean i never do
drowsy finch
because like, that feels dirty.
novel wasp
awful comments counter:dink
coral vigil
Losing to Than
hardy escarp
OOOOH SUPPORT FIRE
drowsy finch
Thanatoast is a name I have heard many times before, in an entirely seperate context of this one.
novel wasp
"Death is coming to grease all of you"
hardy escarp
SUPPORT FIRE ON MALPHONNNN
drowsy finch
also to the person who asked "whats the use of keys after everything is unlocked" and besides free persuasions, the answer is trade 15 for a titan blood sometimes
coral vigil
I wish Demeters legendary instead stunned and reset stacks
novel wasp
are you serious
coral vigil
@novel wasp dont do this
hardy escarp
@drowsy finch ye that was me
novel wasp
with just her own boons lmao
coral vigil
Why not lol
hardy escarp
demeter's cast is
drowsy finch
and titan bloods are the good stuff.
hardy escarp
like on a whole new level dude
hardy escarp
wtF
novel wasp
if you have talos fist
coral vigil
Zeus is a prime example of investing in your own boon
hardy escarp
why does EVERYBODY think that
novel wasp
you can do more damage with it compared to no demeter boon
hardy escarp
it's SO good dude
shell ice
how are we defining "good"
coral vigil
Only with artemis tbh
novel wasp
like, take demeter cast without duos
drowsy finch
As we define all things that are good, in our lizardbrains
novel wasp
demeter cast on itself is a really fun time
shell ice
in terms of high heat clears, demeter cast is very very bad
drowsy finch
Hurt good.
hardy escarp
Demeter cast is good because lots of damage
shell ice
in terms of speedruns, its quite slow
drowsy finch
Slappy big slappy good good.
shell ice
demeter cast heavily relies on duos which falls off pretty hard on high heat
novel wasp
or Dio's C4
shell ice
since your boon options are pretty limited, between disabling the mirror and disabling boon choices
and getting your build going "early" is more important since healing is limited
(outside of DDs)
coral vigil
I wish Hermes could be a fleshed out god with duo boons not some support god
novel wasp
^ when you combined the 1 random boon is gonna be gone heat
if thats the case Hermes can duo with himself
since hes so fast
drowsy finch
Today on "life comes at you fast"
hardy escarp
Hey should I take flood shot over crush shot
shell ice
certainly if you assemble demeter cast on high heat its quite nice
but its super super inconsistent
drowsy finch
accidentally building a dash kill build
coral vigil
Floodshot is amazing
shell ice
and if we're going with a "theoretical best case"
hardy escarp
I agree
novel wasp
floodshot is amazing if you dont mind raw damage
shell ice
make a merciful end build or smthn
novel wasp
but you can literally hit people with a wall
drowsy finch
Flood shot is really nice. The raw damage isn't great but It's very nice for enemies.
hardy escarp
Epic flood shot
drowsy finch
If you have no problems with bosses, but a lot of problems with mobs, then-
hardy escarp
over rare crush shot
novel wasp
oh so you only had rare crush shot
coral vigil
I only like crush shot with Hidden Shield or Gloves
novel wasp
@shell ice i like how your pfp looks like someone with their ass lmao
hardy escarp
The other options are an epic hydraulic might and sunken treasure
shell ice
...i cant see it
novel wasp
idk you just gotta look at it smaller
coral vigil
I was helping my friend the other day he had Zag bow with Crush shot
novel wasp
also imma gonna go to horny jail myself dw bout that
coral vigil
I was like smh
hardy escarp
I think imma take the flood shot
novel wasp
O C E A N M A N
coral vigil
Poseidon needs buffs imo
novel wasp
Poseidon is already good
the flamewheels are you saying
he was even worse back then
you should be thankful
coral vigil
compared the other gods he's bottom tier imo
novel wasp
o really, then you havent seen this
coral vigil
enlighten me
drowsy finch
I don't like poseidon but I do know that the POSEIDON PINBALL is very real and very dangerous.
hardy escarp
I kinda like poseidon
coral vigil
also Poseidon attack with any melee is anti synergy
quaint hinge
I feel like Poseidon is really good the for the satyr rooms but not so much for bosses.
hardy escarp
He isn't up there with Demeter or Ares but he's pretty good imo
drowsy finch
Also
Sea Storm is just OBVIOUSLY good
its a free 40 damage on any knockback, like yeah gimme that
hardy escarp
which one is that?
novel wasp
zeus possy duo
brisk trail
I've seen Flurry and Extended Jab builds work.
coral vigil
but your literally relying on cast only
brisk trail
But that's the one time I've seen Tempest Strike really work.
novel wasp
or you know the new aspect of g u n with poseidon strike is mad funny and good
coral vigil
Poss special is amazing with sword imo
novel wasp
stagger 101
exotic trench
Hey, i'm wondering if those little strings of colors are normal or if something's wrong with my game
static wadi
@exotic trench it's ok
exotic trench
I already have access to it
coral vigil
Is that a teaser for future update
drowsy finch
If you do a BLJ through the wall you can access the hidden hades room.
exotic trench
Ah
drowsy finch
Yahoo.
novel wasp
sometimes it bugged out
i remember there is still like
lights in the lounge
despite i already left
but usually it involves some dashing
i remembered there was a really funny bug that you can just go into the lounge from the line of shades, there was a pillar that basically let you dash through it
coral vigil
Hazard Cluster Bombs is fun
novel wasp
they fixed it, but they now give you an option to make a new door there
drowsy finch
Chiron with a poseidon special sounds like it'd be funny
hardy escarp
Theseus should start to treat u with more respect once you ||Start escaping as a job||
drowsy finch
just knock a man into the stratosphehre
novel wasp
staggggerrrrrrrr
coral vigil
I love Chrion with Ares/Dio/Aphro
hardy escarp
There was a lot of "This target is out of range and you cant even hit him anymore lel"
novel wasp
chiron with dio is a big eh
coral vigil
Insta full stacks
novel wasp
i mean, sure if you get curse of nausea and extend drunk stack
but otherwise you are already capping your damage too early into the game
brisk trail
Doesn't work.
hardy escarp
is good
novel wasp
im sorry to inform you
hardy escarp
tf do u mean
novel wasp
chiron with zeus only strikes 1 thunder
brisk trail
You don't get a lightning bolt on every arrow.
drowsy finch
Sad!
drowsy finch
Very sad actually if ONLY
novel wasp
they know
random plover
Talos aspect with Athena attack is just gold
hardy escarp
It worked yesterday not sure wtf ur on about
novel wasp
anything with athena attack is just gold lmao
brisk trail
@novel wasp 
coral vigil
Chiron with Zeus if it worked properly would be busted
novel wasp
@brisk trail š„
novel wasp
Athena gold
drowsy finch
Athena is just always nice to have.
novel wasp
NUMBA 15
drowsy finch
I have never been like "MAAAAAAAN DANG ATHENA IS MY GOD?"
hardy escarp
period
novel wasp
ATHENA
coral vigil
Imagine if they nerfed Athena Dash
drowsy finch
i'm always like "ooh boy maybe i'll get a reflect dash!"
novel wasp
I had with it when Athena just shows up when im duo chasing in my third save
yes im that bored
hardy escarp
Athena is really good in the right situation
novel wasp
thats when i hate athena
hardy escarp
and really really useless in the wrong one
novel wasp
you know whos not in the right situation?
Athena is reliable enough to work in any situation tf
you had a lot of hottakes dont you
bet you love lightning rod too
coral vigil
I wish Dio Cast applied poison
novel wasp
all of the casts doenst apply anything on its own except aphro
drowsy finch
Athena consistetly has something I'm at least INTERESTED in
hardy escarp
which is lightning rod?
coral vigil
Lightning Rod makes me laugh
novel wasp
which back to the point where demeter cast if combined innate chill, it would be a really good cast
novel wasp
since slow down makes use of its really dumb tracking
hardy escarp
like I'm sorry that crap is useless
coral vigil
Every had full Zeus with 6 casts with lighting rod
random plover
Demeter artemis duo with the cast slow
novel wasp
Lol then have you deflected like a bunch of witches with just one shot and then clear the whole room?
even with bow on attack
yep. thats totally useless
drowsy finch
If I'm using zagspect bow (Which I always am since I barely touch the thing) I usually throw doom or reflect on the special if I'm doing pure attack
coral vigil
btw is there a consistent method of clearing the witch room w/o athena dash
hardy escarp
It's called
hardy escarp
D O D G I N G
novel wasp
yall are making it like a big deal
drowsy finch
It's called "git gud" or something
granite wadi
Hide behind stuff, and because of armor try to focus one at a time
lunar cypress
I can't figure out how to use ||Rama|| for DPS, it seems good to clear out many small dudes but to focus big ones, even with its debuff on the enemy...I dunno
coral vigil
Man I use peirced butterfly every run
random plover
Maybe spear with doom
drowsy finch
Remember, any melee attack will clean up projectiles.
novel wasp
or you know
drowsy finch
or just any attack at all
north pier
The witch room baits you into going to the middle, but that's absolutely the worst spot to go to first. Start with the outer mobs
novel wasp
rail is the only one that is consistently having trouble with this yeah
coral vigil
Cluster Rocketbomb would like a word
drowsy finch
I always get the terrible minibosses wheen I use the rail
lunar cypress
Rail just has so many downsides
drowsy finch
"Oh you're doing a shotgun build? Hi, welcome to butterfly miniboss"
hardy escarp
I hate
drowsy finch
drowsy finch
I DIIIIIIIIID
coral vigil
just use meg lmao
random plover
Damage over time effects kill the butterfly quickly
novel wasp
oh and just saying i think aside from hestia
carmine ravine
butterfly literally dont move, it should be easy
novel wasp
i would not take any gun aside from hestia and LUL
carmine ravine
i like eris rail
lunar cypress
Hestia feels awful. Eris is okay
coral vigil
||Why is lucifer so weak beside onhit builds||
novel wasp
Eris makes me cry myself to sleep until this day so nah
hardy escarp
Hey guys should i get deadly reversal
coral vigil
Hestia is insane
drowsy finch
The rail is really good with on-hit builds.
hardy escarp
or parting shot
drowsy finch
Just, as a default.
That's actually the cool thing about the Rail and the only reason I pick it up.
lunar cypress
It has nothing but onhits basically, don't try to % damage it
drowsy finch
I like that its very good for on-hit builds.
lunar cypress
Except with Hestia but then you're giving up the rest of it
granite wadi
It sorta annoys me that some of the hammer upgrades don't affect that manual reload shot, but it's something special to hestia I guess
novel wasp
@lunar cypress my aphro 200% damage tells me otherwise
lunar cypress
Even then its like what 20 damage a shot?
drowsy finch
yeah but you COULD BE USING zeus
coral vigil
@granite wadi Delta chamber
lunar cypress
Whereas common zeus would be like 30 to multiple targets
carmine ravine
rail + spread bomb + triple bomb +hazard bomb + aphro ez
novel wasp
so when you need to you do even more damage
drowsy finch
rocket launcher rail is fun though
novel wasp
rocket lawnchair!
drowsy finch
if you can, in the very rare case
novel wasp
i mean its easier to use than bomb yeah
drowsy finch
get rocket launcher and triple bomb
brisk trail
I don't think you can get Triple and Cluster Bomb together.
drowsy finch
you can have fun
brisk trail
Triple and Cluster might also disable Hazard.
coral vigil
Exploading launcher on Spear though
coral vigil
Cluster Hazard bomb
carmine ravine
not rly, triple dont disable hazard
coral vigil
watch the world burn
novel wasp
triple cluster just goes
ITS RAINING MEN
now tisiphone will get to taste her medicine of carpet bombing
coral vigil
Triple Cluster with Artemis or Poss hmmm
hardy escarp
What is the enemy you hate the most?
coral vigil
Thesus
novel wasp
you.
granite wadi
I still don't like shield guys, even if I have less issues with them now
coral vigil
the shield guys
hardy escarp
I would have to go with the snake crystals
drowsy finch
shield guys
novel wasp
@granite wadi use backstab talent
drowsy finch
but then it becomes satyrs
novel wasp
i am more tolerable with shield guys
drowsy finch
and thhen it becomes snake crystals
novel wasp
the last thing i need is a bunch of armored strongbows
drowsy finch
sometimes im just off my game and i get poisoned and im like "AAAAAAAAAA WHHERE IS THE THING"
novel wasp
those things can SUCK MY RAIL
drowsy finch
and then i die.
coral vigil
all of Styx tbh
drowsy finch
all of Styx, agreed.
hardy escarp
Styx is a hellhole
carmine ravine
when u got 5 armored shield guys cornering you, its not that fun
hardy escarp
I hate everything there
novel wasp
Styx is e z
hardy escarp
except cerberus
carmine ravine
strongbows just flee if u get close, its not that hard
novel wasp
its easier than what it provides in elysium seriously
hardy escarp
cerberus is my doggo
coral vigil
I never knew how much I hate rats til Styx
brisk trail
Styx mechanically is easier, the numbers are just tuned higher.
drowsy finch
It isn't when you're using a rail special build and you can't reliably stagger the snakestones
novel wasp
yeah
drowsy finch
granite wadi
Oh, armored snakesrones suck
novel wasp
***distance o o f ***
drowsy finch
game turns into a cover shooter
hardy escarp
I just like
coral vigil
Imagine if there waas no cure in Styx and you had to clear the rooms
drowsy finch
"Hold on im gonna duck behind this wall while I reload."
novel wasp
call of dootie
novel wasp
j u s t d a s h
hardy escarp
they make me want to break something
drowsy finch
Look, if I had a nethack style scroll of genocide to just delete an enemy type.
novel wasp
its not that difficult
hardy escarp
I CAN'T
novel wasp
stop it, get some help
hardy escarp
THEY HAVE LASERS ON ALL SIDES
drowsy finch
I'd delete......
hardy escarp
drowsy finch
probably thhe satyrs honestly
granite wadi
I'll give a tiny shout out to flame wheels if you don't happen to have decent ranged options
drowsy finch
oh yeah that sucks
hardy escarp
Satyrs are a bunch of stupid goddamn goatmen hawking up their stupid goddamn phlegm and spreading covid
damn satyrs
drowsy finch
flame wheels suck if you're running fists
novel wasp
ive never been once
drowsy finch
i tend to just spam cast at them
hardy escarp
@drowsy finch me rn
novel wasp
or died in styx in general
hardy escarp
I've lost a death defy in styx
novel wasp
only died to ||daddie|| in that level
drowsy finch
I haven't either, but I have burned a defy.
hardy escarp
does that count?
novel wasp
well, you gotta unlock the perfect rocc
granite wadi
I lost a defy on the miniboss version
novel wasp
oh yeah the tiny vermin
protip just do social distance
he doesnt have good range damage
granite wadi
Tiny vermin has weird AI?
It sometimes does not do tracking well when you're across that little ledge
novel wasp
he is only incredibly deadly if you didnt commit 6ft
granite wadi
And it can't get around
drowsy finch
I hate the flame wheels they make cat noises and just like my real cat they attempt to destroy me.
granite wadi
You can do it! Next.... Time.
muted flower
so... close :((((
hardy escarp
I gotta say if u have that healing talent on the fists
granite wadi
Gotta love that Redacted
hardy escarp
from daedalus
muted flower
haha yea
novel wasp
Dededelus
hardy escarp
u can get some serious health out of styx
coral vigil
@muted flower I had to do 40 runs for my first successful escape
muted flower
||managed to get first phase but half second||
hardy escarp
from like 50 to max
granite wadi
I had an early run where I had stubborn roots and just camped the last enemy in a styx room until I was fully healed
coral vigil
Stubborn Roots can be clutch for some runs
granite wadi
And hey, it's progress in the battle, learning the new patterns and all
drowsy finch
Is it really a crutch if you only randomly get it?
granite wadi
I think I took the spear point in my first victory just cause I was really really bad at lasers
coral vigil
But its much better than the % less dmg from bosses
drowsy finch
I think that redefines it from crutch to a "survivability upgrade"
i mean sure i could in theory fight the last boss and never get hit once.
That's a big "theory"
granite wadi
Not getting stunned sometimes means I forget I've been taking damage so I sorta hate that one