Here's a strategy: call it whatever you lite. 
#h1-discussion
high island
tepid isle
i usually like to listen to podcasts when i play games, but this games music is too good to shut off ;-;
keen talon
I posted one above
tepid isle
@high island boooo
gusty slate
Don't you just sit in ||Eurydice's room|| for 30 minutes?
gusty slate
Woah, my botched pokemon speedrun begs to differ
humble flax
though i havent played dead cells since they fricking made recent versions so laggy
my english is messing up
ajkfnlak j
frigid inlet
I stopped dead cells after unlocking the sparta sandals...they came every f run...
humble flax
spartan sandals are the equivalent to beating hades with egg
frigid inlet
then a guy gives me the advice, ye, your own fault lol, start new
humble flax
theres really no point
mfw one of the souls gets stuck in wall again and wastes 2 mintes of my deadline
gusty slate
Underhanded tactics is all they got
humble flax
can we talk about greatshields not moving?
frigid inlet
I dont use the deadline anymore...the time is a worse enemy than boss fight elysium
humble flax
i swear they used to walk
gusty slate
They walk for me
gusty slate
Although I am using ||FO2||
gusty slate
Weird
They're super aggressive for me
but you can dash towards them to proc their attack if they are being dumb
frigid inlet
what is the best god for ||demeter gloves|| ? artemis for the 5x crit? anything better?
gusty slate
Can work with any boon
frigid inlet
XD
humble flax
mfw a greatshield is hiding in a corner
frigid inlet
double strike from zeus will work with the special right?
humble flax
and im using ||lucifer||
gusty slate
Oh no, the shields are learning
frigid inlet
oh...
gusty slate
idk what the cap is, I just know there is one
high island
@frigid inlet Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish.
frigid inlet
meh, hope 4th aspect will be something cool. first firsts are still best, go dodge and be fast n kill
gusty slate
Report greatshields
burnt lantern
If it's in a corner just move away it'll walk to you lel
gusty slate
and report their buddies the flamewheels
high island
Frost Flourish can be decent, too.
frigid inlet
ye, if the blast chill dmg would only be higher...
humble flax
it doesnt
thats the thing
im like
9 miles away
and it stays
every room with a greatshield is taking away a minute of deadline lol
gusty slate
You using menacing aura or something, greatshields are always trying to kill me recklessly
high island
Not for the blast, really. Rather for the slow effect from Chill.
Good utility vs bosses.
humble flax
im too menacing yes
gusty slate
That's not a bad idea
gusty slate
balancing might be weird though
frigid inlet
I mean...with demeter fist you have to split your dmg between atk and special, since you want to use the cool mega ryu street fighter punch...but you need to attack normal 90% of the time...I just dont know how to own with them
burnt lantern
Wait a second
Has anyone tried sitting in a corner charging bull rush with shield?
humble flax
yes
gusty slate
That's how I beat flamewheel rooms
burnt lantern
Do you become invincible?
gusty slate
Almost
burnt lantern
LOL
gusty slate
You have to make sure you don't get pushed out of it lol
frigid inlet
there is an item in shop, so few encounters flame wheels dont show up. I buy this with arthur mostly...but do other enemies replace the wheels or you just fight less enemies??
high island
@frigid inlet I would recommend Lightning Strike + Heartbreak Flourish and get Smoldering Air + a strong Call. Or you can do Divine Strike + Hunter Dash + Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish and get Deadly Reversal.
burnt lantern
Shield can even block Astraeus' charge lmao
gusty slate
Shield can block everything
humble flax
shield can block hades cast
burnt lantern
It can block Hydra ground slams
humble flax
so like
frigid inlet
hm, will try nyaa, ty
gusty slate
Whose cast
burnt lantern
It can block spear spins
burnt lantern
It can block final boss skulls
burnt lantern
Don't spoil
gusty slate
Whose cast and skulls spoiler
frigid inlet
think he is called wrist or so. He seems to be alot better at high heat than Haelian. he does not use deadline but makes all other stuff and beats heat 42 with chill and shield
I mean he chills, he does not use demeter
frigid inlet
humble flax
everything
burnt lantern
Is there a heat level which is just impossible to beat?
frigid inlet
block and counter
humble flax
anything is possible
gusty slate
It's the degree of suffering that changes
burnt lantern
So it can't become too hard?
gusty slate
'too hard' differs between people xD
frigid inlet
I dislike high heat runs caus they limit my choices mostly (higher prices, loose boon, less boon choices)...less fun kinda
high island
You mean Wriste13. @spice spade is actually a really weak player who should stop beating my records with pure luck. Very undeserved. š«
burnt lantern
They're just for flexing
quaint bramble
There are levels that havenāt been beaten yet. I bet if they keep seed and routing in the game then eventually all levels will be beaten
frigid inlet
@high island Im no fan of his, just heard his name come up few times in haelian streams and he gave him credit for beeing good
cloud apex
Debatable that tight deadline may be a wall with too much health/enemy modifiers if you have too few options because of other limits
gusty slate
I'm here at my little heats just messing around
burnt lantern
Who beat the game the fastest so far?
humble flax
1 dd with half hp, charon pops up and i havent completed the prophecy
uhh, haelian for the newer patches
i think
frigid inlet
@burnt lantern there are new speedrun rules. got changed a while ago. search youtube haelian all wpns speedrun. think he still fastest
burnt lantern
Interesting
frigid inlet
caus of the satyrs ofc...it is very rng dependend atm
high island
All documented here: https://www.speedrun.com/hades
tepid isle
do boons stack additively or multiplicatively?
halcyon swallow
question, where are the f11 screenshots located?
high island
No one's done max heat.
solar finch
It is actually possible to unlock artemis legendary??
solar finch
Damn, i can't reach it
high island
Yeah, in Documents.
solar finch
It's been like 10 runs
gusty slate
it's RNG, just keep at it!
solar finch
Yeah, if the fight appears in tartarus you are doom
humble flax
i can always just god mode but
solar finch
It's rng anyway š¤·š»āāļø
solar finch
Farming in this gaming is tedious
gusty slate
Grinding is how I roll
humble flax
its fun compared to other rogues
solar finch
Yeah, i understand why there is long term upgrades
gusty slate
Almost done with bounties...
solar finch
But it is too much, it kinda feels like a free game with a lot of grinding
plucky sail
I guess I'm lucky that I am not anywhere near the end and getting most of my gem grinding done like this, because once I get all weapon aspects and bounties I'm def not doing it
Grinding ain't it for me
solar finch
If i pay for it i want insta grinding ?)
humble flax
the issue is
whenever i buy a game thats a rogue
i 100% it at least once
before i quit
dead cells was the exception
frigid inlet
you need something to look forward to. I think its ok in this game...if you rly want to, you can do runs to grind, not to finish, if chaos 2x gives you 100%+ darkness...you end your run with 1.5k.
humble flax
lag is too much
solar finch
There are 46 lvls of punishment, and i'm enough on 10 š
humble flax
just go back to 0
frigid inlet
10 is already big. this game ainĀ“t ez, even if some make it sound so XD
solar finch
But i need titan blood
humble flax
trading
frigid inlet
Im stuck at 20. 50% win rate kinda
humble flax
go gemstone runs
solar finch
Those new aspects aren't gonna upgrade alone
high island
Max heat is 57, actually. 58 on Hell Mode.
high island
46 isn't casual lol.
frigid inlet
XD
solar finch
"tops"
humble flax
its not saying it isnt possible
just that its kinda hard
lets wait for carbbar to do a
58 heat tutorial
humble flax
someday
frigid inlet
"so, you are casual gamer?" "yes, I have trouble already at heat 46" throws away his gamepad
solar finch
I'll just unlock the skelly statues and then buy titan blood or diamonds to charon in styx š
cloud apex
Hey, I totally expected to complete 0 heat on first run
high island
Not 4.
humble flax
i was so bad at timing dashes when i started
my 1st run on hell mode was better than normal kek
high island
Depends on the aspect, though.
cloud apex
3 seems lowkey manageable, but 4 is kind of "no"
Well, until people become tas bots and dodge everything
high island
Actually, Wriste and I did some RI4 runs on 32+ lol.
I did 20 for the record, he did 32 before me when he heard I was working on it, I did 33 like a couple days after him, and a bit after that he did 35.
Pure luck that he beat me.
That was during the beta.
Maybe I should do 40 next time. Hmmm.
Seems doable. Just need the right strategy.
high island
And me talking about "I should do 40 heat without any mirror talents, that seems doable."
We're a diverse cast.
brisk trail
Guess I just need to git gud
high island
Gitting gud helps, but also gitting lucky.
quaint bramble
I love hades and SGG, but the difficulty level mechanic in their games has always been a bit of a sticking point for me. I like the EM, BP, and maybe MM clauses because they actually reveal new game content, but otherwise the artificial difficulty increases kinda burnt me out in hades after like 10 heat.
cloud apex
Well, yeah, heat is rather lazy and even detrimental in some aspects
brisk trail
better to be lucky than good
cloud apex
Most glaring example is no choice one
Eventually you'll get all you need, but other runs you just get suboptimal builds, that cannot survive with other restrictions
So it's either free heat or far worse option
manic bobcat
I mean this is a roguelite game
daring tusk
And if you get all you need, the game gives you the middle finger by making yuo open 5 doors in Styx
: ()
manic bobcat
Hades rng is actually very lenient
cloud apex
I do guess the most issues get obvious with TD
manic bobcat
But rng is, well, rng
cloud apex
Without one you could do endurance runs and actually pull out something that feels impossible to win with
daring tusk
If the rng was so lenient, you wouldn't see high heat runner saving their seeds
dawn tiger
Thatās just min maxing because they want the best times though
daring tusk
At 40+ heat?
dawn tiger
If you are talking efficient clears you really donāt need to save seeds
daring tusk
You gotta have that starting boon
dawn tiger
Even at like 35+ heat
cloud apex
because if they don't get best times they die in elysium to timer
daring tusk
If you run at 7 minutes and you don't have the right starting boon that's just pure waste of time
Especially if you run on one choice
brisk trail
depends on the aspect/keepsake of choice
gusty slate
Guess we'll see what SGG does with Styx RNG
daring tusk
If you run on 2/3 choices, you got way more margin for maneuvering the rng but w/ only one choice you can kinda say if your run is gonna get doomed during Asphodeus
But that's ok, it's not a big deal, the only bad RNG here is Styx in high heat yeah
You shouldn't lose a run because the game suddenly decided you have to open 5 doors
gusty slate
Yeah Styx has been the main criminal I've seen people give feedback on
daring tusk
I'm really salty to have lost that run
high island
I don't seed at high heat.
gusty slate
Yeah, sucks š¦
cloud apex
When I'd get there I probably won't seed
Would rather have a few less points while improvising for the win than to know I just learnt the encounter decently enough
Not to belittle others tho, it's just a different approach and i have respect for extra high heat runs
daring tusk
I'm not running guan yu 40 heat w/o fast spin
high island
than to know I just learnt the encounter decently enough
Seed only guarantees the first boon, really, and I think the next chamber reward.
daring tusk
the way seeds work is a bit weird
I often see the same erebus and stuff in Tartarus on the seed I'm running
but it's not always here
cloud apex
Yeah, didn't mean like 100% route knowledge, but knowing you start building for x most of the time does make things a lot more predictable
high island
It does. I'm also not interested in seeds really.
There are some strategies you wouldn't really try without a saved seed because they rely on one specific starting boon or hammer upgrade.
Although I guess you could die a lot of times until you get a new seed with what you want.
But.
That's not how I like to play.
The most I'll do is back up boss fight saves to practice them.
cloud apex
The point of games like these is to jump into runs where each one is new experience imho
So yeah, same here
plucky sail
So for those that don't know things (me), what are seeds
quaint bramble
Seeds are fixed runs in roguelites that you can replay, usually as a part of the game. In Hades, the run isnāt fully mapped out, but you can reproduce the first reward and like maybe the first room too. When you give up the game just takes you back to the time just before the run you gave up on so you can kind of game the system that way
white monolith
can you still make a copy of your save before ending the run and then keep it forever still?
i know that was some speed run tech before
plucky sail
ohh
Hmm sounds interesting but ultimately yeah I think the point of roguelites is specifically to not do that
quaint bramble
Yea I agree. I wish Hades chose to do either full seeds or total randomization. Right now you can seed a run, but the number of times you get hit, cast, attack etc all randomize the rooms from that point forward so itās just stuck in a grey area where seeds arenāt included in the game and therefore make their way into professional/high level play instead of having their own category. Itās a really unfortunate gameplay decision imo.
white monolith
what i would like is something akin to digital card games i think. where the game would see what chambers you've gotten in this biome and say okay the next one would have been a darkness/key chamber but we deem your total chamber luck to be too bad this run so we will reroll it x amount of times and pick the best one.
quaint bramble
I believe there is a bit of back-end rng like that. The game apparently prevents you from getting too many permanent currency rewards and spawns in-run rooms
quaint bramble
Yes you can only get 2 hammers in a run without buying other options I believe
high island
There are no "pro" Hades players. We don't get paid.
brisk trail
Haelian and other streamers are the closest thing.
quaint bramble
^^^Thatās what I mean
Itās also why I put āhigh levelā right after it, indicating people playing for record heat and/or speed
brisk trail
Imagine getting final boss to basically dead and then dying
I just want one heat please why
humble flax
w i can swear but not say that
alright dyno
let me rephrase it i guess, "i got too overconfident and died like that yeah"
high island
I will hear no evil words from you, blackguard!
brisk trail
F
high island
Draw your weapon, fiend! @brisk trail and I shall vanquish you!
humble flax
i retaliate against the game by trying 16 heat with arty ||beo||
brisk trail
Uppercut to the neck, bye @high island
humble flax
to em 3 or not
high island
@brisk trail you're on my team. 
Also, I'm the Queen of Malphon. You can't defeat me with Uppercuts! šøš½
high island
Just do 32+ heat runs to finish your bounties. Easy.
high island
I don't use SD for 32 heat.
humble flax
why did i do 2 damage control, ill reset that later
cloud apex
50 heat runs for getting heat 11 bounty is something to approve
brisk trail
I think Touch of Styx got its spawn rate tanked.
brisk trail
It must just be me then, sweet.
brisk trail
Touch of Styx is for Stubborn Defiance.
high island
I haven't seen that video, and I've no idea if it's any good.
high island
Pick the pacts that work best for you, then change based on your experiences in your attempts.
high island
Sounds fine.
cloud apex
It seems like my preference would be "everything but TD and no choice"
high island
I don't know. Depends on the weapon.
If you're not comfortable in the fight, maybe just avoid it.
high island
See, I always play TD2 lol.
high island
It's just 1 heat, you can take something else.
high island
Should be good.
If you don't have like a lot of points in JS or CP.
Or DC.
Because they make TD a lot harder.
But I think with TD1 you'll be fine either way.
cloud apex
16 heat run with maxing out JS
I certainly have deviant tastes
Not CP tho because fatter bosses bad
gusty slate
I had maxed CP up to 16 heat, never realized how much harder things were with it until I swapped it out for FO2
cloud apex
Well, health is special story since fight takes longer - you get hit more - have to act more carefully - fight lasts even longer - etc.
gusty slate
englishhard
cloud apex
engrish
gusty slate
I like rerolling boons
brisk trail
You don't want to reroll wells? Yeah I thought that one might be better
brisk trail
The only reason I would reroll a well is for a kiss of styx tbh
gusty slate
Wait, doesn't that one let you reroll coin rooms into boon/pom/heart?
I guess it does wells too
Haven't touched it in awhile so idk
brisk trail
You just said you use persuasion lol
humble flax
i hate this change
brisk trail
?
humble flax
where the shield dashes to direction
why is that a thing
that better be a bug lol
i cant hit any bull rushes now
humble flax
so im holding d so i can dash away the moment i bullrush
but it fricking bullrushes to d
big confusion moment
humble flax
no
brisk trail
I kind of want to use dark regen
gusty slate
I main dark regen
humble flax
that heat config wasnt good
brisk trail
It seems pretty good
gusty slate
if I fail a run, I can use the darkness as heals
brisk trail
Yeah
gusty slate
also adds utility to darkness troves
š
I don't use TD though, so I have breathing room to do long runs >_>
humble flax
back on config
cloud apex
Dark regen seems pretty viable if you have 3 bosses bounties clear (or all bounties clear), otherwise eh meh
humble flax
4 more
1 JS 1 CP 1 HL?
actually 1 JS 1 CP 1 AP
2 td just didnt work out
not with 2 bp
gusty slate
Dunno, I'm working on my 18 heat runs now
high island
Yeah, why not.
gusty slate
I wanted to get the 20 heat bounties done before playing around more
humble flax
got a mati
i react too fast
like actually
the moment it goes down i click e
and then it gives me common fish
:<<<
gusty slate
I watch for light
high island
I don't have the bounties done for anything but Malphon, I think.
Yeah, I just look for the flash of light.
gusty slate
I can't skip bounties, my head won't let me
high island
It only bops 4 times, too. So if the first three were fakes, the 4th is 100% a fish.
humble flax
at most?
i wonder if i can get it asap and then get another common
what is my english rn
gusty slate
lol I tunnel vision and forget fishing points spawn
gusty slate
I don't think that is a change?
cloud apex
lol I tunnel vision and forget fishing points spawn
so true
I even miss troves and charon wells
gusty slate
Hm let me see if I get that
cloud apex
Even worse actually
Buying skeletal lures AND missing their fish spawn
humble flax
ive always held a direction key when i bullrushed
this way i immediately have a dash direction right after i rush
humble flax
do you have aim at mouse?
gusty slate
Uh is that default? If so yeah
brisk trail
it's seems that i don't have the rights to submit in hades feedback anymore, can someone explain why ?
rough token
You need to read the pins there
They'll explain what to do
Poke! Do you have a new icon, or am I just really tired?
quaint bramble
Yea I noticed that. Itās the main character from West of Dead. Funny seeing him pop up in the Hades server
gusty slate
Changed because of a comment yesterday
something about someone only differentiating between us via profile avatar
sets google calendar reminder to change every so often
gusty slate
Ah yes
brisk trail
@rough token it might be because of something lost in translation. so i guess we are prior to an update ? but it seems than other can post so i'm not sure ?
humble flax
- To be able to post, first visit #bot-commands and type ?rank Early Access
fresh orchidBOT
Please read the pinned messages in #hades-feedback before posting! Thank you for playing.
gusty slate
Oh hi Proxy
rough token
Lol
gusty slate
not a message delete wew
humble flax
Dyno is always high man
void vigil
(the rest of the rules are important too :P)
humble flax
i mean mans was asking why so i responded directly
void vigil
proxy is a helpful bot in reminding people to read the pins, but reading them is entirely on you, lol
brisk trail
@rough token yeah i read to pinned message from greg and another one from Amiracle.
rough token
Well, the one from Greg has numbered instructions
brisk trail
- To be able to post, first visit #bot-commands and type ?rank Early Access
fresh orchidBOT
Please read the pinned messages in #hades-feedback before posting! Thank you for playing.
brisk trail
ok
void vigil
we had a problem with permissions, youre supposed to have the role (therefore read the rules) in order to post in the channel. we fixed it, so now people without it cant post in feedback
rough token
No worries! Glad we got it figured out!
brisk trail
So can somebody help
I watch video's and eyeballs in elysium move regularly
But my eyeballs are incredibly slow
gusty slate
I wonder if that is a bug
brisk trail
Feels like it
gusty slate
I'm fine in all aspects
humble flax
maybe cuz im watching people with 2 of that speed increasing
brisk trail
But maybe not
cloud apex
Forced Overtime indeed could be a reason there
gusty slate
Not a bad thing š
gusty slate
Use FO in pact if you want fast
brisk trail
All the enemies move really weird before I aggro them
gusty slate
Hm, you might need to send a video to tech, might be a specific bug you're running across
Never know!
brisk trail
obs+hades crashes my computer
cloud apex
If you have windows 10 you could capture the video with DVR
brisk trail
And even then, discord has the stupid upload limit
cloud apex
Upload to streamable and drop the link here
brisk trail
Again, discord upload limit
gusty slate
can upload to youtube or something and link it for SGG
brisk trail
lot of effort for something that might not even be a bug
cloud apex
Well if you don't do it you will never know if it's a bug
brisk trail
also true
brisk trail
Welp
Hades just crashes my computer without obs or anything like that now
Pretty sure it's my internet because it launched fine yesterday
muted valley
can someone give me a list of abbreviations for pact of punishment
its a little confusing at times
cloud apex
Let me take a minute to write them up for you (and myself)
manic bobcat
It's pinned in the #h1-high-heat-strategies channel
cloud apex
Oh, noice
solar coral
Does nourished soul boost SD?
manic bobcat
Nope
solar coral
Rip
brisk trail
Cool I can play again
muted valley
SD?
brisk trail
It's pinned in the #h1-high-heat-strategies channel
manic bobcat
SD is Stubborn Defiance
Which funnily enough was not pinned
Because it's mirror talent, not pact option
muted valley
yea i was confused
makes sense
i thought i was blind or smtg
is there word about more olympians coming?
flat vapor
nope, only one more story character
brisk trail
dio or zman
manic bobcat
Weapon?
flat vapor
both are good for fast weapons, though if you're running privileged, dio might be better
flat vapor
but dio is hot, checkmate
keen talon
if we're basing it on hotness it's basically no contest artemis
muted valley
just casually skipping over aphrodite
manic bobcat
Aphrodite is drama queen
Artemis is the cute girl next door who is super down to earth and caring.
brisk trail
artemis is best
muted valley
no doubt
flat vapor
artemis wasn't an option in the original question š¤§
muted valley
but aphro is the hottest
brisk trail
see
worthy egret
Y'all talking about hot and completely missing Meg and Ares like s'cuse
brisk trail
Are we talking about hot or hot
gusty slate
tepid plover
I really need yo start using hermes keepsake
brisk trail
bouldy deserves the world
tepid plover
Boulder deserves all the nectar
brisk trail
ugh
I finally made it back to styx in one heat but
I have no defiances
Guess I lose
charred bronze
you can always get more from the wells?
gusty slate
extra godmode time? Yes please
past mirage
Last time I had that extra defiance, EM Asterius went full lumberjack mode and just took all from me, one in the middle chamber, and the rest in the arena. And then I was run over by the Tau-Lambda. The impunity.
gusty slate
Asterius always claims a DD from me
past mirage
He doesn't trouble me much when he's normal, but Extreme Measures is something else.
wind nest
that zangrief hurricane swing is too much lol
brisk trail
I saw we were talking about hot characters and I had Dionysus as second hottest character as of Welcome to Hell.
tepid plover
Skelly tooth not bad either, had 5 DDs once
You can get a defiance from ||chaos||????
past mirage
It's a very rare and precious gift.
humble pulsar
Fun fact: long time ago every defiance replenisher gave you a defiance
We had runs of people with 12 defiances
tepid plover
Lmao wtf
gusty slate
Good luck
idle hatch
I don't have permission to post this in feedback, so I wanted to add that the Zag aspect on sword feels a little slippery. I had a movement speed boon on, and dash strikes made it feel like I was skating.
merry harbor
The Hades FAQ, as well as the pinned posts in feedback, will tell you why you can't post there yet.
idle hatch
I'd posted there before 3-4 times
I "reapplied" for early access rank, and I can do it now
Thank you
merry harbor
There was an error in the channel's settinggs for a little bit, the mods had to go back and edit it.
For a while people who didn't have the rank could post there, so you probably got in during that.
brisk trail
I still don't know what these 4th aspects are
Are they being added in v1.0 or smth
Because right now they just say the fates will reveal them
merry harbor
All of the 4'th aspects beside Malphon are in game right now.
brisk trail
really
merry harbor
They're unlocked through various story events from characters, more details can be found in the spoiler channel if you ask people there!
I think the most recent ones from the Blood Price are pinned.
cyan cloud
||hey, anyone had troubles with using a controller on the last aspect of the exagryph||
its hard to hold down attack while dashing, the buttons are too close together
let alone remember to reload, though ive remapped that to where summon was
okay nvm remapping some things fixed it
but normally, on an xbox 360 controller, it was really unintuitive
manic bobcat
That's why you remap your control scheme
I use A for attack, B for dash, X for cast, Y for special, and L1 for reload
brisk trail
Imagine playing hades with a trackpad
cyan cloud
i suppose, i kind of wish we could save control schemes
||i want to use triggers for lucifer aspect and normal attack buttons for other weapons||
brisk trail
You can't save control schemes?
manic bobcat
You can
brisk trail
Also which ones ||lucifer aspect?||
manic bobcat
But you don't have profiles
brisk trail
I haven't seen a ||lucifer aspect||
cyan cloud
I see I shall add a spoiler tag
shell ice
@brisk trail ||lucifer aspect is the rail's 4th aspect||
rough token
who reads patch notes? :P
Also, tbf, people are still joining after the patches, and don't have much reason to read previous patch notes
tepid plover
this might be a dumb question but at the beginning of a run do all gods have the same spawn chance?
sharp parcel
Yes, but there are some events that force a specific god to appear.
random ermine
@tepid plover Pro tip: Use Athena's keepsake to guarantee getting more chances for deflect attacks boons. Makes a huge difference
tepid plover
nice tip, but i think you tagged the wrong person?
cobalt kettle
I wonder what the chance is for a hammer to spawn? I've gotten that once or twice before
gusty slate
it's guaranteed in Tartarus and Elysium. Styx if you still haven't picked one up
if I recall
tepid plover
pretty sure you can only get it twice in a run
flat vapor
there's no mention of the chance of a landing chamber hammer on the wiki, unfortunately
it could possibly just be equal chance for all boons + hammer on landing
cyan cloud
anyone else been getting those
fatal exception error crashes
they are more frequent this update
cobalt kettle
if it is equal, that's a little neat
and I know the keepsake doesn't force it to be a boon, cause I've gotten a hammer immediately after starting while holding one
brisk trail
Aight time to fight final boss one heat
Would be nice if I won
Luckily I have infinite health with this duo boon(or at least infinitely regenerating health)
Which didn't do me much good
rage
very big rage
tepid plover
Ok I just fought ||charon|| for the first time, and oh my god
tepid plover
is it possible to fight him multiple times in a run? or just 1?
narrow hemlock
only once
brisk trail
Because he drops ||loyalty card||
harsh pike
I just beat the final boss, ||should skelly be gone from the courtyard?||
ohhh nevermind
brisk trail
yeah
brisk trail
Higher rate of fire? Yes.
tepid plover
well it says your attack is % faster
rough token
That should apply to all parts of the attack, afaik
tepid plover
so it increases the rate of fire
flat vapor
yes
rough token
And projectile speed, probably
tepid plover
alright thanks
quartz flume
I sent a bugreport through the F10 form, but the screenshot preview was just a black screen. Supposed to be that way?
flat vapor
no lol, might have just pressed it during a black screen moment though
it sends your save data so if you described it well enough, they should be able to do something about the bug
quartz flume
no lol, might have just pressed it during a black screen moment though
@flat vapor nah, I checked it several times
rough token
Then also mention that the bug reporter didn't take a proper screenshot
quartz flume
I did
rough token
o7 it's happened to me a couple times ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
flat vapor
where do we go to report a bug with the bug reporter š
rough token
Press f10 while the reporter is open
flat vapor
f10 squared
rough token
f100
flat vapor
(f10)^2
rough token
o7
quartz flume
And while I'm still here, wanted to get some opinions on Theseus and Asterius. When they just appeared, I tried to take down the bull guy first. I thought it was an obvious choice because he is more aggressive and doesn't have that annoying god attack. But I kept failing, and at some point Zag himself gave a hint that he should try Theseus first. And it bloody worked, though I still think that doesn't make any sense. Has anyone else found killing Theseus first easier?
brisk trail
I kill the bull first and it works, never tried killing theseus first
rough token
Depends heavily on my build
narrow hemlock
yeah
rough token
is that Lore Olympus tatz
muted valley
i have killed thesus first then asterius
flat vapor
when i don't have em on, i kill them both at the same time, for aesthetic reasons
narrow hemlock
if you have a good build going, theseus is pretty squishy and you'll probably be fine to go for him first. the general advice is asterius simply because if you keep him to the opposite side of the arena its less to deal with
and perhaps
flat vapor
it's satisfying striking down the bull and then the king within 3 seconds of each other
muted valley
lol yea
quartz flume
Okay, paradox solved. I guess I just got very determined when Zag told he should kill Theseus first lol
narrow hemlock
he certainly can be easier, but he's also easier to ignore. em not quite as much but he still mostly just minds his own business
flat vapor
on EM i always go asterius first, since i'd rather not deal with phase 2 theseus with golden asterius on the move
narrow hemlock
while asterius is spinning to win :v
brisk trail
golden asterius?
When I tried EM it only changed || to make it that you have to fight all at once||
rough token
Did you try EM3?
brisk trail
No, I only needed one heat(still struggling on one heat ugh)
I don't think I'm struggling because of EM, but because I get to final boss every time and die
Then again, theseus eats all my dd
rough token
Then that would be why. You'll see at some point. And don't stress it, it took me a while to go above 1 heat, and then it took a challenge to get me above 5 heat
Now I'm running 12-16
brisk trail
Noice
quartz flume
Yeah, you'll get accustomed
tepid plover
so golden touch does nothing if i have no money when i leave a region?
manic bobcat
Then again, theseus eats all my dd
@brisk trail then don't do EM3 xD
rough token
I've gotten above 2k obol thanks to Golden Touch
quartz flume
I only beat a 16-heat run once (and beat my speed record on that lol). 32-heat is just humiliating, smashing me in Tartarus
rough token
I got to the Heroes on 36, and FB on 32, iirc. But that was a while ago, and pretty fuzzy so I might be remembering wrong. Something I'll check in the morning xD
buoyant merlin
"I got to the heroes on 36, and Face Book on 32"
rough token
Yup
buoyant merlin
I tried calling the cops to report something suspicious and they just told me to press F10 :(
frail forum
noice
rough token
I believe it's called "Bloodless"
SGG has their music in several places, I think Spotify, Bandcamp, YouTube, Steam
rough token
o7
tepid plover
is there like a playlist on spotify with the hades soundtracks?
flat vapor
currently they're all just singles, an album will probably released after 1.0
flat vapor
just found it so i can't confirm if it has every song, but it probably does
brisk trail
I needed this thank you
tepid plover
^
tepid plover
whats the name
brisk trail
||God of the dead||
tepid plover
im too focused at the time so i dont notice lmao
thats the one from the main menu
ill stick to bloodless
brisk trail
?
It's not the one from the main menu
The beginning starts out like the main menu
tepid plover
oh thats why then, got me confused xD
brisk trail
Lol yeah
tepid plover
ive heard it somewhere in the game, and im pretty sure isn't in stage you mentioned
brisk trail
||first phase, is remix of main menu song||
It is tho
3:38 is when it really picks up
buoyant merlin
Barge of the dead sounds like another song and I can't place it
like a classic rock song
tepid plover
is 1200 a big crit?
brisk trail
I suppose
topaz crystal
So, a room full of flame wheels is a pain, the same thing ||with the heat condition which gives them one hit free|| is totally run ending for me. Especially when I encounter rooms like those back-to-back.
I guess I'm pretty tilted due to that. Almost managed to salvage that run, though my skills aren't upto that point yet I suppose.
Those who have experience with ||Heat||, how would you recommend escalating it?
brisk trail
you let them run into obstacles so they explode
past mirage
I've started with Extreme Measures, Middle Management and Benefits Package, because that is something you need to learn to deal with sooner than later.
flat vapor
going up EM and MM would be first for me
BP is trash but you're gonna have to learn it, at least one level of it
brisk trail
dashing through an obstacle is the easiest way to let them collid
topaz crystal
So it's like managing a bunch of charging Asterii, oh good. That's something I manage to do nicely. /s
flat vapor
after those, i went up calisthenics program and a level of forced overtime, for flavor
if you have runs that are consistently 25-28 minutes, i'd also think about a level in tight deadline
high island
Flamewheels will explode when they run into any obstacle regardless of whether they have armor, blue heart shields, or invulnerability from Voidstones or Lady Athena's trial (not sure if they can spawn during the trial in the first place).
past mirage
In a sense, the Flamewheels are supposed to teach you how to avoid Asterius. However, they are even more dangerous than him in some cases.
topaz crystal
Nah mate my best run is probably 30-35+
high island
Do you take a lot of Infernal Troves in your runs?
topaz crystal
@high island they can. In fact, trials override the Release.
high island
Just skipping troves will speed things up.
topaz crystal
Not many, no. It's just I'm just starting off with the Pact.
high island
Although, troves in Tartarus and Asphodel are perfectly fine.
Yeah, my clear times were 30~40 minutes when I started out, too.
Sometimes longer than that.
topaz crystal
I think I barely have 10 clears rn.
flat vapor
if you're good at your positioning, heightened security shouldn't be too much of an issue
high island
I have 12 clears with Exagryph, and my 12th clear was 41 heat. So basically, you can do 41 heat in 2 runs.
flat vapor
and a level in lasting consequences can help fill out some filler heat ranks
high island
I'm sure that's how it works.
flat vapor
if you don't do shops, convenience fee is an ez heat level
topaz crystal
I do shops very much. I'll have to work on dashing a bit more as well, since I have 250+ max hp each time I clear.
high island
250+ is a good number.
topaz crystal
By which I mean, I can tank some of my shoddy dashing.
flat vapor
hard labor, jury summons, calisthenics program, and damage control are up to you, (DC especially depends on what weapon you're using)
i think the other two i haven't mentioned are the RNG based heats, which are risky but up to you
topaz crystal
Oh yeah, I should learn what sort of build suits which weapon. I sorta start of with a random idea and then many times things don't work out really well.
high island
I assume you haven't maxed out your mirror yet nor all the keepsakes and House Contractor upgrades.
topaz crystal
I think I don't have the last two purple ones maxed and a bunch of green ones.
high island
I would just focus on that and trying out all the pacts at the same time to get that prophecy also.
And clearing with every weapon once to get that prophecy.
flat vapor
experimenting is v good
topaz crystal
I'll have to check on the all weapons one. I think I've done it.
Maybe. Because I avoid the Spear.
I'm very uncomfortable with it.
high island
Chthonic Coin Purse is a good keepsake to start with for that extra cash whenever you're not sure what to start with.
It's also good at any point during your run when you're not sure what to take.
But if you haven't leveled your keepsakes yet, then just doing that will give you a lot of experience with the different gods and everything.
topaz crystal
I start with maxed Deep Pockets, so I think one or two Coin rooms are enough for the shop before bosses.
Yeah I'll work on the keepsakes. I have some of them maxed out by now.
high island
Coin Purse at Lv.3 is a free boon from the shop.
And if you're not sure what god to start with, then Coin Purse will make that random but also give you the free boon.
topaz crystal
Ngl I've already developed bias in terms of boons, especially for Athena. I feel like her dash is a must have in most of the runs.
high island
It's also that her boons are straightforward and easy to understand.
Whereas, for example, Lord Ares's boons aren't as simple.
topaz crystal
I get to deflect the Boiling Blood skulls, that is like, currently, the greatest thing for me.
high island
I have Deflect in almost all my builds even still at 40+ just for that and a couple other things lol.
topaz crystal
I think Athena for Deflect and Artemis for some of that crits are must haves, then you build rest of your run according to your weapon.
high island
They're very versatile and fit in near every build. But they're not must-haves.
high island
I say that as somebody who has Deflect in like 99% of her builds lol.
But that's also because I've so much practice with it that I can use it very effectively and aggressively.
And if you want to get the most out of your Deflects, then boss fights with Deflect will be very different than without Deflect.
stray ledge
is there anyway to find a list of victory captions? like the "made friends along the way" or "robbed thanantos"?
high island
So, since I practice all of them with Deflect, not having Deflect just throws me off lol.
@stray ledge https://hades.gamepedia.com/Run_Clear_Messages
stray ledge
Thanks! had trouble figuring what they were called to search.
topaz crystal
I think I can grind out EM sisters and non EM Hydra with suboptimal builds.
But the rest, yeah I'll need to be really comfortable with what I have.
high island
There's not a single page on the wiki that links to that article lol. I only know about it because somebody else linked it, and then I bookmarked it.
grave ruin
Hi, is there a reason why I cannot post in the feedback channel? I only posted twice there, but now it shows me that I don't have permission to do that. I was thinking maybe I did something wrong or hit the limit, idk
past mirage
I'm trying my hand at the challenge right now, and I am forced to choose Charon over Patty who could give me back my three lost defiances. Hrrrrrngghhhhhhh!
granite ether
you need the "early access" role @grave ruin
read the pinned messages in the #hades-feedback for how to apply that role to yourself 
grave ruin
Thank you so much!
granite ether
no worries ^_^
tepid plover
why did i get nectar out of a darkness trove?
high island
Because you sometimes get Nectar out of troves.
past mirage
Trove Nectars don't level up boons, but they do interact with Premium Vintage.
tepid plover
whats premium vintage
high island
Passive boon from Lord Dionysus.
Gain Health when you pick up Nectar. Receive 1 Nectar now.
worthy egret
Thats weird, why one and not the other
high island
Because the house contractor upgrade specifically applies to chamber rewards.
Whereas the boon applies to any Nectar you pick up.
worthy egret
Ahhh i see
tepid plover
so any trove can randomly, give nectar?
past mirage
Apparently, Sunken Treasure can give a Diamond with a very small chance. Anyone here lucky enough to see it?
brisk trail
not me 
orchid pagoda
I don't believe anyone has seen a Diamond with Sunken Treasure.
past mirage
According to the Wiki, the chance is at 0.03%, or roughly 1:3000.
That info is probably gleaned from the code.
high island
lol I'd probably not even notice if I did.
maiden spear
Will the game have ingame achievements for people playing on the epic game store?
delicate crow
Well, there's the fated list. That's basically achievements
orchid pagoda
@topaz crystal if you ever want to try a run with the spear (Any aspect except for GY), I would suggest Aphrodite for your main weapon damage. Heartbreak Strike at the beginning would mean a chance of getting Unhealthy Fixation at the end. Flurry Jab as a weaopns upgrade would serve you better than other as well.
This is mostly for a speed based run.
burnt lantern
I'll try this out seems great ^
Too bad I only have aspect of Zagreus on Varatha ;-;
orchid pagoda
That still works. I would also suggest getting Athena's dash boon, and Hermes's 100% speed after dashing boon. Plus any Mirror upgrade which boosts attack power.
It makes clearing rooms that much faster, and flurry jab doesn't give the mobs any time to even move, much less attack.
mortal palm
also dashing: dash attacks are magical and essential IMO to spears
...possibly to a lot of builds actually. From my experience, dashing seems to reset the attack timer, and so spamming attack while dashing can result in an attack every dash.
orchid pagoda
Spear is the best.
mortal palm
also why hermes extra dashes is great, because that means more dash atttacks
2 base dashes + 3 extra dashes from hermes + spear hit three times on dash = 15 attacks in under a second
high island
Is that actually under a second?
mortal palm
This works on other weapons too. The only two weapon where this is iffy and doesn't work right: Bow(without Flurry) because of the charge mechanic, and sometimes sword it feels.
I think so yes. Mind you this may be different on a controller, for keyboard and mouse I can get the dashes in underneath a second.
high island
There's no "attack timer". Your normal attack combo has recovery, a dash cancels that recovery. Stygius will continue its 3-hit combo with the next hit from the combo instead of doing a dash-strike if you dash inbetween the hits.
mortal palm
Stygius is iffy and because of the combo i'm not 100% sure how it works.
high island
Like I just said. If you dash during the combo, instead of doing a dash-strike, you'll do the next hit from the normal 3-hit combo.
Easier to execute and see with the 4th aspect.
After the third hit from the combo, you can cancel the recovery into a Dash-Strike.
gusty slate
Yeah I have to either finish the combo or stop it to dash strike properly
mortal palm
I'm not entirely sure what actions will drop it. This could have been changed in the last few updates, I mostly just experimented with all of this and trying to get more formal knowledge in a burst :S
high island
Drop what?
mortal palm
the combo
high island
Not pressing Attack or Dash > Attack within the cancel window will drop the combo.
ashen vessel
i dunno when they added a bunch of new fish, but im totes digging them
tepid isle
Juggling between "I want to keep playing to beat the game" and "Stop playing so much or the game will end sooner" ;-;
Gonna beat it just in time for 1.0 so i can do it again
tepid isle
POG I forgot about Hell Mode
cobalt kettle
I mean, hey, much like rollercoasters belonging to Funny Skeleton men, this ride never ends
Not until you decide it does, anyway
tepid isle
Do you guys keep aim assist on? I turned it off cause it felt cheaty lol
cloud apex
I keep it on but it helps as much as it snaps the aim in wrong direction so doesn't seem too powerful
potent egret
so... best aspect for each weapon?
cobalt kettle
Hard to pin a singular best, as it heavily depends on your personal playstyle.
One person might absolutely adore one aspect, while another person would find that aspect useless.
cloud apex
And a lot of them shine in different builds (stygian blade: nemesis in attack builds, poseidon in cast builds, etc.)
manic bobcat
And certainly winnable up to 32 heat
gusty slate
If only I had enough blood
burnt lantern
I just noticed that there's a shade with a Zagreus banner in the arena
gusty slate
Best shade
gusty slate
The only one that believes in me š¦
burnt lantern
Bro what a madlad
cloud apex
True fan of zag 
gusty slate
Cerb cares a lot too, destroyed the lounge because of our initial escape if I recall
burnt lantern
BROOO I WANTED APHRODITE SPEAR BUILD
THE WHOLE RUN
NO APHRO
NONE
ZERO
;-;-;-;-;-;
I got to Styx without an attack boon hoping for Aphro
cloud apex
That's why you get keepsakes 
gusty slate
rip
potent egret
for the next Q&A im gonna ask where is hercules and why he shows himself as skelly
gusty slate
Herackles is busy
cloud apex
god
potent egret
also, are we getting a player 2 for the room?
cloud apex
2player local coop?
gee that's gonna be hectic as hell
(also obligatory camera issues but eh)
potent egret
zagreus with that guy that got trapped with theseus, cant recall his name
gusty slate
Shadow Zag joins the game
potent egret
Pirithous
cloud apex
Would have been pretty funny if thanatos was player 2 but he is too different design wise and already has a role
gusty slate
Also Hades would not be quite happy with Than turning too
cloud apex
Pissing off hades is an absolute win to me
potent egret
HYPNOS FOR P2!
gusty slate
Hypnos has fallen asleep on Varatha
cloud apex
Ah yes, the fellow god of sarcasm and sleep
Shadow zagreus seems like the best fit unironically ig
potent egret
maaaaybe
hercules is going to be 2 player
think about it
we have that lifts at the dorm
gusty slate
Zag: "Hey uh Herc, how'd you end up here?"
potent egret
also he can use multiple weapons
and he is OP AF
and maybe we can get the muses singing
gusty slate
Zeus is angered and has stopped providing boons
potent egret
and that would be AWESOME!
potent egret
i dont know if help nyx to get to chaos since she ||FIRED DUSA||
gusty slate
It's for the best
gusty slate
I fully support Nyx's actions.
potent egret
i fully support the few words fury
brisk trail
I fully support the new murder nyx update
burnt lantern
Skelly is Hercules?
cloud apex
I suppose that was done to ||give dusa a proper vacation|| so I fully support nyx actions for now
potent egret
Skelly is Hercules?
@burnt lantern we need answers now!
brisk trail
I suppose that was done to ||give dusa a proper vacation|| so I fully support nyx actions for now
@cloud apex oh
potent egret
you know... if the shade of perseus shows up it would be funny to get him to dusa
brisk trail
Plot twist, skelly is going to actually die one of these times