h1-discussion

[glossy quest]

But then i remember the sword has that

[normal wraith]

About the previous conversation regarding Apollo, they're literally mentioned in the game in at least one place. So the theory of the sun just being zag running across the sky won't hold water. (Because he doesn't touch the stuff unless it's a healing chamber.)

[stuck comet]

Oh holy christ
I didn't see anything at first, then I went a little forward and saw like 10 brimstones

[novel wasp]

tfw you bought a trove sensor and it gave you a hp trove when you are full hp

😒

[stuck comet]

hey, what if you lose health during the challenge?

[normal wraith]

Well, there's still a small change it'll give you a nector too

I believe.

I've noticed sometimes I get a nectar if I finish them quickly enough.

[novel wasp]

can someone give me tips on how to fight em hydra

i found myself too dash happy

and i constantly dash into lava

EM hydra mega doodoo

[normal wraith]

The orange horned ones are the ones you want to take out first if you're dash happy.

[novel wasp]

the one that makes wave

or the one that spews lava

[normal wraith]

Those are the ones that shoot lava. Red are the ones that make waves.

[novel wasp]

Also nah

i mean i just keep dashing into the lava around

because the platform is just so small

[normal wraith]

Oh.

[novel wasp]

each time i dash, i guarantee go into lava

[normal wraith]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RCLReWij1hs/hqdefault.jpg

Although on a more serious note, try switching to the other dash.

[novel wasp]

I lose 2 DD on it and somehow EM Theseus is easier than whatever hydra bs is

also the new EM 4

ez

I just hate EM Hydra

I could no DD left with 30 hp against EM 4 so git gud xd

[normal wraith]

No seriously consider using the other dash, the one that occasionally procs 50% bonus damage. If you're super dash happy then that's a real good way to train yourself out of just randomly doing it since you can't spam dash anymore and get rewarded for dodging attacks.

It's actually my favorite one because I always take the most damage on the second floor and against butterfly balls thanks to spam dashing.

That and bonus damage is always nice.

[novel wasp]

Lol

thats the dash that carries me in Hades match

the spam dash

also protip

destroy the souls meantime

the butterfly deals so little damage, its easy to avoid

the spam dash is WHAT makes you able to do that

I could destroy souls and butterfly at the same time, yes even with sword

[normal wraith]

Eh, I hate them because of the butterfly ball mini boss. You can call me dumb but the first time I fight it I didn't realize the trick. So I ended up fighting 30 shield guys at least before I thought to kill it.

[novel wasp]

Yep

you could literally cover whole ground by doing that

[stuck comet]

Yeah, I hate the butterfly ball

[novel wasp]

its easier on other weapons such as spear, shield, fist

lol that one is considerably easier than aesterius

how do you guys struggle

[normal wraith]

It wasn't that I struggled.

It was that I was there for 10 minutes.

[novel wasp]

struggle on not DD it

[normal wraith]

Just killing dudes.

I hated it.

[stuck comet]

Because GOD DAMN Either the shield dudes spawn that don't die, or the bow enemies spawn and just snipe me endlessly

[novel wasp]

I beat that thing under 30 seconds with time mode lmfao

told you destroy the souls first

the damage of the boss doesnt come from itself

its the minions

[stuck comet]

The souls keep spawning though

[novel wasp]

they are very predictable and the layout are the same

[stuck comet]

...but they keep spawning

[novel wasp]

by elysium you are capable of one shotting souls

you could leave butterfly alone for a while and sweep the souls up then continue

[stuck comet]

Not with the blue health bars, and especially not when they all have armor

[novel wasp]

thats where the spam dash comes in handy

you sound like I didnt play with it xd

dash is your best friend anyway

the blue health bars is easier to abuse especially if you have something that aoe

[normal wraith]

Oh fade's talking about switching in and out of killing the little souls and going back to kill the butterfly ball. No when I talked about my first time against it I didn't attack the butterfly ball at all and had no damage.

[novel wasp]

blue health isnt as scary as people think

[normal wraith]

So the dudes just, kept, spawning.

[novel wasp]

yeah, do that

you just need to do a lot of deny

[stuck comet]

Hm.

[novel wasp]

be the biggest censoredblock of your enemy

[stuck comet]

Just "No, go away"
"No, STOP"

[novel wasp]

more like "lol."

repeat it 15 times

i do think that rail might struggle in that room since rail is very single target oriented

the bomb is still very single target oriented despite its an aoe

due to its slowness

[normal wraith]

Now of course I usually just ignore the dudes and crush the butterfly ball immediately. Only 5 guys will spawn and I can take care of that easily without damage. GRANTED, it's not the best strategy I just irrationally hate that butterfly ball and don't want it on my screen.

[novel wasp]

never do that

please

greatshield is more irritating than all exalted combine

and funfact, they always goes for greatshield the first

then the spears, then the sword and then the bow

[stuck comet]

I personally bumrush the ball of death

[worthy egret]

GOD I HATE GREATSHIELD

[novel wasp]

there can be only 1 shield, 2 sword, 2 spear, and 2 archer at the same time

in that room

[cinder stump]

Again, if your damage is low, it’s pretty common to be unable to deal with the influx of souls AND deal decent damage to the butterball

[normal wraith]

Hey, I'd rather deal with shields than butterflies, I know how to game the shields without trying.

[worthy egret]

Oh god are we talking hell room

[cinder stump]

It’s a matter of not having enough numbers, not just “git gud”, Fade

[stuck comet]

Oh yeah, Greatshield is also just annoying, although I need to git gud against that pattern

[novel wasp]

I could easily do the same thing without a damage mod if you believe me or not

and not really git gud more like a strategy switch

i used to bruteforce it and it def didnt end well for me

so im just sharing a much better way to do it

[cinder stump]

Eh, I just think you’re arrogant now

[novel wasp]

take it or not, but i def not suffer from any miniboss rooms

once you know the pattern

[normal wraith]

Well, fade don't lie to these people it'd still be irritating since they'd take forever to die in that situation. I should know, I've gotten very unlucky with damage mods my first few runs in that area.

[stuck comet]

To be fair, if he's done it enough it probably just seems like a 'git gud' kinda deal

[novel wasp]

having 69 runs can put me safely to the i kinda know my thing category

but def not reaching the ones that are already beating 32 heats monkaS

32 heat people are just damn

[stuck comet]

32 heat people are pros

[cinder stump]

Yeah I have like 70 runs too

[novel wasp]

they are the one that will call it git gud to your situation lol

[stuck comet]

I have like 40 runs lmao

[normal wraith]

I've been tempted to max out the heat and see just how bad it is.

[novel wasp]

its very bad

im scared

[cinder stump]

It’s bad yeah

[novel wasp]

i didnt touched heat for like 5 runs after that

[stuck comet]

Oh yeah, I died on the first zone lmao

[cinder stump]

I can’t even do it with the infinite casts glitch

[stuck comet]

I was given a bad boon and then couldn't kill the enemies in the FIRST LEVEL

[novel wasp]

but thats only because i started heat and im like HMMM WHATS ITS LIKE TO BE 50 HEAT

then im like damn guess i will farm for a while

[cinder stump]

I can’t belive your dad would give you the ol’ Spicy Hades

[novel wasp]

its full of jalapeno

yum

[cinder stump]

Meg goes “wtf are you doing zag” if you come to her with “you made heat gauge cry” mode on

[stuck comet]

Wait, really? Lol, that's great

[novel wasp]

yeah

[stuck comet]

I could never get to even Meg at that point

[novel wasp]

EM 4+++

Hades gives you the spicy tacos

[cinder stump]

You basically have to hope and pray your first boon is a good cast

[novel wasp]

and when you died from it you came up from the styx with spicy bumhole

[stuck comet]

Do you have to use a good cast build for that level?

Like, poseidon build?

[novel wasp]

@stuck comet no, because No Choice was involved

[cinder stump]

If you’re using the infinite casts glitch, and are bad like me, yes

[novel wasp]

there is no way to guarantee a build

[stuck comet]

hm

[novel wasp]

god i hate no choice so much lol

[normal wraith]

Oh, yeah because everything is-

[novel wasp]

i wish it reworked into everything being chaotic boon

basically similar to chaos boon

do some chamber with some restrain and then get it later

def add to the annoyance but will not kill your run because you didnt pray to rngesus enough today

there is a reason heat 32 is already impressive even tho max is 50

also not gonna mention some of the modifier def needs like next level of good in order to compete if you plan to turn timed mode on

for example benefit package 2 and you met enemies that has tank capability and teleport

god that would take FOREVER

[brisk trail]

Didn’t the Black Shawl restore life on darkness pick up? Since yesterday it’s showing me it’s dealing 10% damage striking undamaged foes?

[novel wasp]

@brisk trail after nyx update, since it is one of the mirror talent

it has been reworked

i mean it was kinda garbage too, glad it turned into a passive instead of wasting a keepsake for it

[brisk trail]

@novel wasp oh so I just have to invest into that part of the mirror now?

[novel wasp]

Yep, you see the arrow thingy?

now you can alternate between your talents

[normal wraith]

Oh yeah, I can't even beat basic timer mode, I can't even imagine trying to beat it when everything ignores 5 hits and has +100% health.

[novel wasp]

topkek

can you beat it without those though?

I mean the 9 min one is kinda easy if you shave the time to think which passage you are gonna go

the 7 min one you really gotta try your best

also timed mode mega sucks on rail since rail is too slow for that

its possible, but other weapons can do better

[normal wraith]

I mean pausing the game doesn't count against your time so it's not like you don't get time to think. It's more the fact that once you hit the 3rd floor you NEED damage or you're going to eat it when you run out of time against a turtle boss.

[novel wasp]

cough cough greatshield

the worst thing that has happened in timed mode

it just makes the gmae so god damn slow

imagine a trove with just 3 of them

[normal wraith]

I'm not even talking about them, I'm talking about thesisus who takes 1 to 2 minutes minimum to beat because of how long he perfect guards you.

[novel wasp]

thats where spam dash comes in handy

before he turns around

you could outpace him with dashess

the circling is useful against him, he is very guillible especially when he throws spear so you could trick him

even more so when he does the summoning thing

[normal wraith]

Of course hades it a literal roll of the dice if you're going to have enough time against him.

[novel wasp]

though, the EM one is kinda hard on that since it has a much faster turn rate, again, without spamdash or hermes dash idk how do you beat him

I beat it in 23 minutes in my first timed mode, the 9 minute mark is 36 minutes at maximum

yeah basically if you picked the evade rate dash without hermes dash bonus boon idk how do you win with it in higher heats

tried it, never liked it

[normal wraith]

Actually I had a pretty similar time on my first victory of the game, but that's because I literally had a +600% x 3 spear attack and just gunned down everything. (My previous run had crashed right when I opened the doors leading to hades, so I literally knew exactly what was coming up and where.)

[novel wasp]

lol

tbh i havent beat that time yet since

but thats because i only have timed mode open as heat 2

i gotta set some records again

also i won with the spear too

ayyy

FORKSPAM GANG

[brisk trail]

What’s the difference between upgrade boon and + 1 lv?!

[normal wraith]

It's literally just THE fastest weapon.

[novel wasp]

You mean the rarity and the level?

@normal wraith that belongs to fist now

[brisk trail]

Yes

[novel wasp]

Rarity increase its multipler

and it does mean better anyway

but, a general rule of thumb

3 levels can translate to one rarity, its not entirely true, but its approximate

[normal wraith]

Well, I don't know about that. The fists attack fast but they don't rack up damage near as quickly or at as far of a range.

[novel wasp]

dash fork is just... so good

the best dash strike among all weapons

[brisk trail]

What is y’alls opinion on the best fist aspect?

[novel wasp]

demeter

for the ultimate nuke fist

your grandma's mittens

it has served some great titan cakes i tell you

[normal wraith]

Call me a weeb but my favorite is the almighty pull mittens.

[novel wasp]

talking about that, i STILL DIDNT hear from demeter commenting on her fists

[normal wraith]

She'll do it eventually.

[novel wasp]

spoil me

whats her reaction

[normal wraith]

Eh, it's about on par with sea daddy seeing his weapon.

[novel wasp]

very excited?

or very smug

i know ocean man is very smug when he saw his weapon

[normal wraith]

For her, yes.

[brisk trail]

@novel wasp so demeter for sure?

[novel wasp]

@brisk trail again, the magnet fists (talos) is pretty good on utility also give this weapon for some range, i for one, enjoy raw damage

demeter is my choice

also @normal wraith sea daddy lmfao

[normal wraith]

I hate greek names, you'll see me use many nick names for the greek gods.

[novel wasp]

dw me too

[normal wraith]

Such as stranger danger for a certain king among them.

[brisk trail]

@novel wasp good to hear, I love the magnet ones

[normal wraith]

My take on it is the magnet ones probably are better if you can't afford higher upgrades for grandma's mittens yet.

[novel wasp]

Heres my list of names
Zeus - Gilf
Poseidon - Ocean Man/Man Child
Artemis - Nuke Gurl
Aphrodite - Nude Mom
Demeter - (Angy) Grandma
Hermes - Amazon Prime Boy
Athena - No U
Dionysus - Dio (insert jojoke here)
Hades - Fork Dad

[brisk trail]

Ok what are grandmas mittens

[novel wasp]

Demeter Fist

bruh i kept talking about it

[brisk trail]

I have a huge crush on Zeus

[normal wraith]

Since it's kind of like choas's shield where the level 1 effect probably isn't worth while.

[novel wasp]

its the fist that deals multiple times of damage if you reached 12 hits

also once you reach level 5 you could instakill some minibosses with it

because thats 6 times Special hit baby

Told you grandma serve some titan cake

[normal wraith]

Why do all of the zag weapons suck in comparison to the others?

[novel wasp]

Bruh

Zag spear is the best

zag rail is also good

[rugged fractal]

also once you reach level 5 you could instakill some minibosses with it
@novel wasp which ones exactly can be insta-killed and with what boons?

[novel wasp]

@rugged fractal medusa, with good ol artemis

[normal wraith]

Artemis special is probably the best one in my opinion.

[novel wasp]

but ofc you gotta get the 12 hit first

[rugged fractal]

@rugged fractal medusa, with good ol artemis
@novel wasp ah, you mean if Crit proc

[novel wasp]

but once you nailed the 12 hit its just boom

Nuke Gurl doesnt play around

[rugged fractal]

Artemis is most universal, yeah

I'm sure, she'll be love interest in future, btw

[novel wasp]

Artemis call is called Press F to Skip Phase Call for a reason

[normal wraith]

You could probably get even higher damage by making your basic attack deflect and getting the duo boon between the two of them.

[novel wasp]

@rugged fractal she is a meta virgin

also her saints are all virgins

[normal wraith]

That'd give you a 40% chance to crit on 6 high damage attacks.

[rugged fractal]

@novel wasp idk about her call. Aphrodite does stable 2500

[novel wasp]

you wont get her insert sex joke here for sure she might crit you and then turn you into a deer

Artemis full call does more than 2500

especially if you upgrade it

with some rng in play crit does a butt ton of damage

[rugged fractal]

That'd give you a 40% chance to crit on 6 high damage attacks.
@normal wraith yeah, but crit is calculated separatelly on each of it. as I recall, base damage is 30, right?

[novel wasp]

you get 10 arrows

[normal wraith]

Art is a bit more consistent because her call is actually useful in non-boss rooms.

[novel wasp]

at max call

[rugged fractal]

Emm... how can you get more than 2500 if not all arrows crit?

[novel wasp]

each deals 200 damage in just level 3

4000 damage maximum

[rugged fractal]

Hold on

Which rarity are we talking about?

[novel wasp]

Heroic

[rugged fractal]

Ah, ok

[novel wasp]

but you could reach 200 in epic as well

just need to go to level 4 for that

I always go Epic Artemis Call tbh

[normal wraith]

Okay you can't really count on heroic boons. I'd say epic is more the speed you should usually talk about.

[rugged fractal]

Bad thing is arrows can just stuck in walls sometimes.

[novel wasp]

in my experience it never does

support fire does but the arrow summoned by artemis call never do

[rugged fractal]

I actually prefer Athena's Call

[novel wasp]

Athena call isnt meant to max use it

[normal wraith]

Yeah I've never seen any of her arrows from either support fire or call completely disappear.

[novel wasp]

if you max use athena call you are kinda wasting the potential

[rugged fractal]

Tell Hades about it when I punched him for 10 seconds straight without stop

[novel wasp]

I just use when its needed

so I dont take unnecessary damage

[rugged fractal]

I do not need to max it. Epic with 1 upgrade is enough

[novel wasp]

like the skull too close

I just need its invulnerability frame i dont need total invulnerability

[normal wraith]

Hmm, I'd have to disagree with you there Fade. Her charm doesn't last long enough on bosses to be worth it, even on the 3rd floor it likely won't have any effect.

[rugged fractal]

Well, that's your way of playing, then 🙂

[novel wasp]

Also if you want efficient invulnerability

instead of wasting a call slot for it

dash is much much better for it LOL

athena dash is just golden

[normal wraith]

Eh, I prefer my sea dash, athena dash is more for when you want to tell someone no only did I dodge your attack, you can have it back too.

[rugged fractal]

Fade, nothing to LOL here. Yes, dash is effective. But it's quite good to have option to focus ONLY on doing damage.

@normal wraith depends on weapon. With close-range weapons and Rail with self-damaging upgrade it does more harm than profit.

I mean, sea-dash pushback

[novel wasp]

i think i usually if given a choice i either go for aphro call, artemis call (best gurl), I guess Ares call is kinda okay? But similar to athena situation, actually i tried the max one it was kinda fun.

Ocean Man I tried to use it

i like it but i am bad at controlling the speed lol

i dont like when game automatically walks for me aka ocean man call

[rugged fractal]

Fade, are you playing on gamepad?

[novel wasp]

KBM

[rugged fractal]

hm... i wonder then why do you have any problems. But ok, it's individual

[normal wraith]

As for Anthena's call... Yeah I have to say it's pretty garbage in most situations. It works as a good way to get to divine protection, but even upgraded like 5 times at rarity epic its still not going to give you the damage getting good with sea call will give you.

[rugged fractal]

On boss I usually just pressing lef-righ-left-righ....

[novel wasp]

because just like me used to start to drive a car. I will lose control of it

thats why i dont like when things move on its own

at least ares call lets me control it for more precise escape location etc

athena is the same too guess i will give credits where its due

[normal wraith]

Eh if you know your course the sea god's call is actually great for redacted and room clear.

[rugged fractal]

You know, I noticed nobody even mentioned Zeus' call

[normal wraith]

Though I would never use it maxed out, it's just impossible to control after its fired.

[novel wasp]

Zeus call is slow to be effective

i have a problem with it

[rugged fractal]

Seems like I'm not alone who think that Zeus' boons are kinda meh...

[novel wasp]

yep

[normal wraith]

...Because Zeus's call basically does uh... Nothing.

[novel wasp]

you have to get close and personal to your dad (uh phrasing)

and i like distance

so no

[rugged fractal]

well, if you're playing with Fists - you're already upclose and personal

so....

[novel wasp]

Or sword

[rugged fractal]

But still

[novel wasp]

but again, artemis exist

that is the problem

[rugged fractal]

Idk. I ususally do not use Calls at all

[normal wraith]

At least with the sea god you have some utility in the fact you can use it to get across the battlefield quickly.

[novel wasp]

the S E A M A N

[normal wraith]

I honestly think they should change zues's thing so Zag jumps up and super hero lands where his curser is on the screen for massive damage or something.

[novel wasp]

hell yea

[rugged fractal]

Why do you need a call, for example, when you have tripple-rocket-special with Artemis blessing on it? 🙂

[normal wraith]

That would make his call absolutely worth while for me because then it could function as a dodge.

[novel wasp]

@rugged fractal proceeds to laugh at high heat

in high heat you need every help you can get

in low heat everything works

i even beat hades with no attack mod but chaos attack boon in heat 0

[rugged fractal]

Fade, i just preffer mini-max builds rather than high-versitile

[novel wasp]

min max build isnt crippling yourself but okay

but again when i deal so much damage by attacking i forgot my cast

so we even

[normal wraith]

Honestly though I think they need to rework the lightning bolt thing for his special entirely. I mean his attack and cast are nice but outside of a very specific sword combo or the duo sea god boon it just isn't worth getting in any form.

[novel wasp]

and tbh when i forgot to cast in late game im like "why am i dealing suboptimal damage"

[cinder stump]

Zeus call really needs more range. Also aphro cast, wtf they do to it

[novel wasp]

god aphro cast is just Sad

My Mom will avenge us

[normal wraith]

Maybe he should get a thunder mechanic that stuns people or something.

[cinder stump]

Like it should at least be a square and not this pathetic little rectangle

[stuck comet]

Aphro cast is shotgun, good for slower weeapons

[novel wasp]

^^^

Its Love Shotgun or Nothing

[stuck comet]

Although, it could still probably use a buff

[novel wasp]

it just needs range buff bruh

what the hell is that rn

[cinder stump]

not even a big range buff

[novel wasp]

i could stub my toes and it could be more range

[cinder stump]

Again, just make it a square

[novel wasp]

make it a heart like it used to be

[normal wraith]

"I thought cupid used arrow!?" "Sorry shade, I don't have that type of aim."

[rugged fractal]

About cast... did you noticed that terrible glitch with Hera+ Aphrodite's Cast?

[cinder stump]

The punch gloves with no hammers has more range to aphro

[stuck comet]

I haven't, no

[novel wasp]

you mean the go behind wall glitch?

[cinder stump]

Also yes I did art

[rugged fractal]

No, behind wall seems to be fixed

[cinder stump]

If you shoot an enemy with aphro hera, they generate the shockwaves but are not hit by them

[novel wasp]

Oh?

Oh i do experience that

[rugged fractal]

But now sometimes weak effect does not apply on chars with smaller hitboxes.

[novel wasp]

even by the cast itself

they got pomfed but they are not hit for some reason

they are, LITERALLY IN THE INDICATOR

[rugged fractal]

And only 1 cast out of 3 stuck in the wall.

[novel wasp]

God Im so mad they nerfed aphro shotgun

[normal wraith]

I'm open to opinions here, is upgrading any boon above level 3 ever worth it?

[novel wasp]

@normal wraith yes

[rugged fractal]

Yes, sometimes

[novel wasp]

getting better rarity is not always a choice

[normal wraith]

It feels like after that point most, if not all boons give so little you might as well pick something else.

[rugged fractal]

Depends on your build

Again, min-max build

[cinder stump]

Any dr boon with excal is amazing

Each % is worth more

[novel wasp]

^

Aphro, Demeter

Athena

Artemis

[cinder stump]

Dio

[rugged fractal]

Poseidon too

[novel wasp]

Dio doesnt have % damage

it only gives hangover effect

[cinder stump]

What no I’m talking defense

[rugged fractal]

some of his boons

[novel wasp]

lol ok

[cinder stump]

Bronze skin, different league, positive outlook

[rugged fractal]

Ah, those??

[normal wraith]

Excal in general is just amazing. Though I fear they're going to nerf it so it's level 3 becomes its level 5.

[novel wasp]

you just said dio i thought you meant attack because i was saying the attack boon that gives %

[rugged fractal]

Well, again, why not?

[novel wasp]

Poseidon attack is kinda meh

[rugged fractal]

Take Zagreus aspect shield and max out all resists

[novel wasp]

damage wise, not so much

but room clear damn

just sweep

[cinder stump]

Let me pit it to you this way- if you have 98% damage reduction, another 1% cuts damage you take in half, and another makes you immortal

And excal has 40% out of the gate fully blooded

[rugged fractal]

@cinder stump not sure if such numbers are reachable

On tha othe hand...

[cinder stump]

Probably not

[novel wasp]

I think damage resistance is based on exponential instead of addup

so you wont get 100% resistance

[normal wraith]

If you combine that with excal, weak, and the trinket you can have hades dealing like 1 damage. Bonus points if you get the one that gives you 10% dr for having no blood stones.

[rugged fractal]

I had build with 78% chance to dodge and Athena's legendary

Feel the immortality

[novel wasp]

theseus build

lol

[normal wraith]

Oh yeah but see, when the enemies are doing 2 damage, and you have effectively 900 hp or more...

You're pretty much immortal.

[novel wasp]

Arthur: You tickle me

[rugged fractal]

lvl5 fists+epic hermes dodge + hermes plum

And all this combined with lvl4 epic Athena attack

and legendary

And 7% Crit chance

[novel wasp]

art do you prefer defensive build?

[brisk trail]

I have all sword aspects + Guan Yu spear unlocked and still haven’t gotten the new sword aspect

[normal wraith]

The ruthless dash also procs for 50% bonus dodge chance.

[novel wasp]

I personally prefer glass cannon build i guess thats why our preference is different

[rugged fractal]

I do not prefer any special builds

[novel wasp]

the defense is just okay but not really a focus for me

[rugged fractal]

Just playing by ear

[normal wraith]

So I think it might literally be possible to get to 100% dodging for 2 seconds at a time.

[novel wasp]

i like seeing 9999

destroying hades phase like opening a bottle cap

[rugged fractal]

@normal wraith yeah, good idea

Fade, well, that's true as well 🙂

But I usually embracing the random, so

[novel wasp]

Hybrid build is fun

but i like duos so i kinda stray away from that in high heat

[rugged fractal]

Basically, most of builds are fun in this game 🙂

But sometimes you just don't have actual "build"

[novel wasp]

Now we just need one god build

the mod is capable to do that but i really want that as a heat mode

[rugged fractal]

Mod?

[novel wasp]

you can mod hades

[rugged fractal]

Hm... never though anybody needed that 🙂

[novel wasp]

ok bruh chill with that smiley

[rugged fractal]

BTW, as I understand, one of the next gods will be Hestia.

[novel wasp]

i feel like that is just insulting me

[rugged fractal]

Ah, sorry

Nope, no insult intended

[novel wasp]

tbh i dont think they will release new gods

[rugged fractal]

Honestly, just usual emotion expression.

[novel wasp]

because there is just enough gods to build already op builds lol

but, this is a god's game

i do want more gods

[rugged fractal]

Well, Aspect of Hestia is the only aspect without god representative in the game

[novel wasp]

Hera

[rugged fractal]

Ah, damn

You're right

But devs confirmed that Hera won't be there

[novel wasp]

Hera, Heracles, Hephaestus

[tidal hedge]

what ?

what about Guan Yu

[novel wasp]

so many H named gods

[tidal hedge]

and Arthur

[novel wasp]

tbh I wish Hera would be here

[rugged fractal]

Those are more like easter eggs

[novel wasp]

damn it bot

[tidal hedge]

how so

[novel wasp]

So she can debunk how garbage zeus as a god

[rugged fractal]

those are from the future

[novel wasp]

Yeah

as of now of course

[tidal hedge]

Yeah but

so what

im confused

thats not what an easter egg is

is it

[rugged fractal]

Easster egg can be part of the gameplay as well

[novel wasp]

easter eggs usually serve no purpose

[rugged fractal]

I don't think they would like to turn game into Smite 2.0

[novel wasp]

but i get what you mean

[normal wraith]

Well, consider this. If they already have the personalities of each god down, so if they ever decide to do dlc they have other characters to introduce into the story.

And give you something that makes the expense worth it.

[novel wasp]

and I am not the scientist guy to argue about what is easter egg anyway

[rugged fractal]

Have they ever done any DLC?

[novel wasp]

I dont think SGG ever done dlc

infact, always free update

[sudden pike]

hades is the perfect game for it tho

[novel wasp]

now thats appreciative

[rugged fractal]

I like the way it is now

[novel wasp]

same

but i want hera heppy and heracles

sad

[rugged fractal]

Just some referencese that are remaining unclear to character

[normal wraith]

I imagine if they did DLC for the game it'd be telling the next story in zag's tale.

[novel wasp]

the new zag tale, he goes to gym with dionysus for leg days

[rugged fractal]

Emmm.... Fade, Hrecules, no?

[novel wasp]

Hercules is roman

[rugged fractal]

Ok

[fair bluff]

god finally finish my first 32 heat run, what a clutch!

[novel wasp]

heracles is greek

[rugged fractal]

Always mixing those two

[novel wasp]

Hera-cles, literally mean Hera's mini or son if you stretch it enough

[rugged fractal]

@fair bluff congrats!

[novel wasp]

@fair bluff theres the god

Pray to him for lucky games

[rugged fractal]

Fade, that's kinda interesting, concidering that he's not even related to Hera

[fair bluff]

thx haha there's many fails attempt before that

[novel wasp]

Dorime 🙏

to get that power

woops

[brisk trail]

[novel wasp]

guess that essay are for nothing

god i wish greek mythology is more family friendly so I dont have to explain it in weird ways

guess not

[normal wraith]

Just explain it like this:

So this thing* occurs because of....

*There is more to this, but this is a family friendly chat, search it up at your own risk.

[rugged fractal]

Yeah, Zeus got his Lightning itchy 🙂

[novel wasp]

LOL

[rugged fractal]

What? That's basically beginning of 90% of greek myths

[normal wraith]

Also Fade I don't know if you've used this often, but the sea god's cast/demeter duo is probably the highest damaging cast in the game. So at high heat you could probably use that.

[novel wasp]

but

ice wine?

[rugged fractal]

Ice wine???

Where's damge in that?

[normal wraith]

It only does damage once and the rest is frost stacks.

Good for defense but not for high damage.

[rugged fractal]

except, of cource, if you get Demeter upgrade on 100dmg on 10 stacks

but yet again...

[proper wing]

Does Fiery Pressence still work of you have Damage Control?

[rugged fractal]

You can do 3x damage just with the sword by that time

[novel wasp]

truth be told

poseidon is my least fav god

[cinder stump]

I once has a hilarious run where I went dio, zeus, demeter

[novel wasp]

i rarely visit him

[cinder stump]

And had all the cloud modifiers

[normal wraith]

Yeah I've racked up 1000 damage in 2 seconds with that cast combo.

[rugged fractal]

Poseidon's passive boons are quite ok.

[novel wasp]

can someone show me how that duo works

cause ive never seen it in my 70+ runs

[rugged fractal]

Yeah I've racked up 1000 damage in 2 seconds with that cast combo.
@normal wraith what did that damage then?

[novel wasp]

but again thats me deliberately never visit the ocean man

[rugged fractal]

Fade, it just repaces Festive fog with circle of ice

While enemy in it, he gains stacks of frost

[spiral forge]

so, when getting hit, ares trigger just does nothing, as well pull of the gloves doesn't apply to elysium soldi#ers...

[novel wasp]

so its just a really giant blade rift?

[normal wraith]

So basically demeter has a duo boon with sea daddy that makes it so his cast travels through enemies dealing its damage multiple times. On top of this, it releases little ice vortexes that deals 40 damage whenever they past through an enemy.

redacted has a big hit box.

[novel wasp]

but less red

[rugged fractal]

Fade, I wouldn't say so. Radius is smaller than festive fog, damage tick is lower and not so often.

[normal wraith]

I'd say its better than a blade rift because it tracks and you can get the extra boss damage boon.

[novel wasp]

@normal wraith Hunting Blades exist

[rugged fractal]

Also, Blade Rift can stack up damage with upgrade

[novel wasp]

Eyup

I guess poseidon is sitll sucks for me

hue

hes too supportive for my bloodlust needs

[normal wraith]

Eh, maybe they're about equal with each other then, but it's a nice fire and forget cast.

[rugged fractal]

Poseidon's debuss i quite good, actually

[lavish reef]

i like poseidon when im using the bow or the gun, melee weapons kinda suck for poseidon

[novel wasp]

the slap you if you move?

[rugged fractal]

Eh, maybe they're about equal with each other then, but it's a nice fire and forget cast.
@normal wraith Use Demeter + Artemis then 🙂

[novel wasp]

imagine that as the primary curse

that would make poseidon instantly more viable

basically you dont need another boon for it

[rugged fractal]

Yeah, it's locked behind boon

[normal wraith]

Since unlike blade rifts it last the entirety of the normal cast's length rather than a few seconds.

[rugged fractal]

But you knwo

[novel wasp]

Yeah i used it

[rugged fractal]

I usually don't care much about dash boons

[normal wraith]

Demeter's cast is nice but I can never get it to work for me.

[rugged fractal]

So why not to have Poseidon on it?

[novel wasp]

but again, because the game will lock other gods out after you have 4 except hermes on your side

[lavish reef]

for dash boons i try to get athena or poseidon

[novel wasp]

you really want the good ones on your side

[rugged fractal]

I've managed to clean some rooms only by dashing 🙂

[lavish reef]

wait the game locks out everything other than 4 once you get four?

[novel wasp]

from my observation it seems to be like that, but I dont know how the code works

[rugged fractal]

Didn't know that

[lavish reef]

ya ive noticed something similar tbh

[novel wasp]

because you see, unless you have only 3 gods, otherwise you reached elysium with all 4, you wont see a new god

[rugged fractal]

It's also seems that if you got too much boons from one god, it tend to not present in Satyr's den

[novel wasp]

nah thats just luck

it randomly chooses from your 4 gods boon

[rugged fractal]

well, pretty bad luck then

[novel wasp]

but yea, imagine it not have this restriction, and have all 7 gods on yourside

then theseus 2nd phase just dont work

[rugged fractal]

I had ONLY 2 - Zues and Aphrodite (to close Prophecy)

Theseus choses one that is not supporting you, right?

[novel wasp]

yep

imagine he cries because the gods decided to spite on him lol

[lavish reef]

i think ive had theseus choose Dio when i had a couple of Dio boons though

i could be wrong about that though i have trash memory

[novel wasp]

are you sure you arent confusing it with demeter?

because demeter has similar color

also theseus sometimes just doesnt say the name too

you wouldnt know

[lavish reef]

true

[novel wasp]

athena for example

has silver

[lavish reef]

also ya demeter and dio have similar colors lol

[novel wasp]

to recognize between athena and demeter demeter just poofs out cold air

athena doesnt

[lavish reef]

fair

[novel wasp]

just now i one tricked very hard that i only rely on 2 gods boon to the styx

and it gave me two different new gods boon on the reward screen

But poseidon duo support boon is really good, too bad some of them might be too specific to build and at the end you only get it at styx which wouldve been too late to be useful

actually no, most of them are very easy to build its just my garbage luck

exclusive access and sweet nectar is just GOD TIER

[normal wraith]

I was actually surprised at how easy it is to actually get a build going in this game.

[lavish reef]

is talking about aspects a spoiler

[normal wraith]

I wouldn't say so, if it is we've already been doing it.

Besides most people joined this chat well after they've gotten to the point of at least seeing the fact there are aspects.

[lavish reef]

fair, okay so im using the aspect of chiron and whenever i get daedelus hammers i never seem to get anything for my special D: are they locked out or am i just super unlucky

[normal wraith]

Unlucky probably.

[signal bridge]

with the new gods' chosen mirror choice, does that let you get more than the usual two hammers possible in a run? i only ask cause it specifically mentions them in the description

[flat vapor]

there aren't a lot of special hammers compatible with chiron

piercing special and charged special can't be picked for example

[normal wraith]

I mean I think I've gotten more than 2 hammers per a run.

No for a fact I KNOW I've gotten more than 2 hammers in a run.

[signal bridge]

i never have, that's why i ask!

[flat vapor]

hammers aren't supposed to happen more than twice

[normal wraith]

Yeah it's rare I guess but between that and fated dice I'm sure a hammer heavy run is possible.

[flat vapor]

though i've heard you can get around that by using fated while in a styx tunnel

but the confirmed intended limit is two hammers per run

[normal wraith]

Oh... Why?

[flat vapor]

because at that level of complexity the game gets hard to both balance and also fix if any unintended issues come up

the game used to have a 3rd hammer you could buy at styx and it got removed the next update

[normal wraith]

I mean I've gotten 3 before but I don't know if that was just dumb luck or before this limit being set.

[molten haven]

Hammers with shield and only getting bull rush improvemengs

[normal wraith]

Ah, admittedly some builds would be amazing with 3 hammer upgrades but then again... Firing a spray of 15 200+ damage rockets point blank might be a bit much.

As amazing as that sounds.

[void vigil]

it used to be possible, but now the limit is 2

[novel wasp]

its so dumb that charged special (the only thing that maximize its use) cant be picked as chiron, as if chiron is as strong as it used to be but in reality it isnt

I just want my triple cluster

[raven vale]

What are the best aspects with low titan blood investment?

[flat vapor]

hera and hestia, i think

almost all of hera's power is given from the start, hestia's starting bonus is already pretty strong

[raven vale]

What's the consenus on the fist aspects?

[flat vapor]

with two levels, demeter aspect is already pretty good

[raven vale]

thanks

[flat vapor]

people are split on either talos or demeter being stronger

imo it's demeter

[raven vale]

i have 8 blood and got the chaos shield on lvl 3

[normal wraith]

I'd personally say talos is the better minimal titan blood investment though. It fixes the glove's range problem and gives you a damage bonus.

[flat vapor]

but don't sleep on zag fists as well

[raven vale]

wanna try some new ones rather than dumping it all on chaos

yeah zag fists look really nice value

its 15% dodge and attack speed? for 5 blood that sounds awesome

[normal wraith]

Ah yes, time to be even more jojo.

[flat vapor]

yep, it's great! pair it with the hammer that ends with a dash strike and you have a constant stream of pain

[raven vale]

btw i feel like the kick hammer upgrade is insane

is it just me?

[normal wraith]

(I swear at some point someone's going to make a mod with the sole purpose to make the fists more jojo.)

[raven vale]

i picked hera

wow

[misty kindle]

jojo mod incoming

[raven vale]

so the ranks just make the casts fall out faster

it's not really worth upgrading at all lol

[flat vapor]

you can honestly keep it at level 1 and it'll still be as good as level 5

but it's just really good

[raven vale]

too bad it doesn't really work with stygian soul

[spring plaza]

Ha ha ha @normal wraith It could be a nice last Aspect

The Platinum aspect

With as a nice touch, a kind of shadow of a warrior behind Zagreus

[karmic oasis]

Saw an interesting convo started elsewhere: if SG added rotating bosses for either Lernie or T+A ala the Furies, what would be good replacements?

[raven vale]

I thought i try out the dash-strike hammer upgrade for the fist

got 99% and a 100% dash strike damage upgrade from chaos

we'll see how it goes lol

[normal wraith]

I think they want to do a different country for each weapon.

So I have no idea what the last aspect of the fists would be, or for that matter the rail.

The shield there are probably plenty of legends to draw from, and the bow naturally has a million options. Though off of the top of my head I can't name any legendary guns they can draw off of.

Who knows, since the greek gods are real in this world and active in the world's day to day life the modern day might have some very interesting alterations.

[dark cradle]

When I think 'legendary guns' I guess my mind immediately jumps to the Wild West.

[raven vale]

or the vulcan cannon from Terminator 2..

[dark cradle]

Smith & Wesson, Winchester, Remington

Aspect of Billy the Kid

[normal wraith]

What, the last form of the gun is a six shooter designed for us who have practiced with clicker games?

[raven vale]

it could be a crossbow

[dark cradle]

Dual revolvers

[raven vale]

would fit better than a revolver i think

[dark cradle]

And a cowboy hat

And a mustache

[normal wraith]

Eh, kind of missing the point of it being a gun if it just turns into a crossbow.

[dark cradle]

I do want an aspect that is from like, an era closer to our modern one

[raven vale]

i can not think any fist weapon however

not even from pop culture

[normal wraith]

Who knows, maybe they actually just push straight into the future and make it bfg that fires darkness so we've got a purpose for it.

[raven vale]

let alone history

its just too damn impractical lol

[normal wraith]

Well, see there's this character called kratos.

[dark cradle]

Fists Aspect of Muhammad Ali and it's just a pair of boxing gloves

[normal wraith]

Actually mobsters might be the ticket here.

[raven vale]

it wouldn't be too elegant to refer to another videogame i think

Infinity gauntlets are just too obvious

[dark cradle]

And Ali is considered the greatest when it comes to boxing.

[normal wraith]

Think about it, who made the knuckles a famous weapon?

[dark cradle]

And is probably one of the most significant athletes of not only the 20th century, but all time.

In a very fist forward sport.

And I think in the modern day, pro athletes are essentially our characters of legend.

The mythological heroes dunk instead of slaying monsters now.

[normal wraith]

That's fair, and the only other area they can pull fist weapons from is asia which, they already have.

[dark cradle]

I've just been thinking a lot about a potential aspect from North America and if they don't take from Native American culture then the only other route is more modern culture because America isn't really that old compared to all the other countries, which are rich with history at this point.

So I've been really considering what might be considered mythical status figures throughout our short timeline.

[normal wraith]

I mean the bow needs to draw its aspect from something.

Modern and ancient america might as well be two different worlds.

[dark cradle]

Early founding fathers? Athletes? Gunslingers and outlaws?

Facts.

[normal wraith]

If you're looking for gun based people, they may just pull something where they go to the person who created the gun and give them his aspect.

[dark cradle]

Actors and similar pop culture icons, too. I'm mainly factoring in their influence on society.

[normal wraith]

As in, the very first muskets.

Would make sense.

[dark cradle]

Aspect of Keanu

John Wick the Underworld

2020 is already the year of Keanu just give us what we want SGG

[normal wraith]

I mean, none of them really are weapon wielding people though.

Yeah they'd be fun but we're looking for people who were famous for their combat abilities.

[dark cradle]

John Wick 4 and The Matrix 4 are coming to theaters the same day. Cyberpunk 2077.

The new Bill and Ted.

This year is rife with Keanu.

[normal wraith]

GRANTED, technically nothing stops people from pulling off things like stuff pulled off in the matrix in this world. Given you know, magic and demi-gods are everywhere.

[dark cradle]

Hahaha.

[normal wraith]

The entire matrix was just a bunch of speed god children messing around.

(Actually that would have been a fun call. Imagine if the messenger god could give you call that slowed enemies and projectiles by 75% for a certain amount of time.)

[worthy egret]

ASPECT

OF KEANU

[dark cradle]

Haha, and that one song plays

[worthy egret]

Zag: you're breathtaking
Exagryph: No, YOU'RE BREATHTAKING!

[dark cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCBL33NKvPA

Zag gets shades and the trench coat

[normal wraith]

At that point he's just greek dante.

[dark cradle]

Yoo the Special could be Bullet Time

Like maybe you can activate it for like 5 secs or something and then it has a CD

Haha in a perfect world

[normal wraith]

No bullet time would be while he's reloading. It would slow down his special as well, but not its reload speed. So you could reload, fire several rounds of bombs and duck out of the way.

[dark cradle]

Genius.

And the roll is still real-time in Bullet Time.

So you can reposition.

[normal wraith]

So the entire weapon would be a speed challenge on the player's end.

[dark cradle]

But it's an actual roll, not a dash. Zag now just leaps and dodge rolls everywhere.

If you roll towards a pillar Zag runs up and it and flips backwards lol

[normal wraith]

Actually this would be a great weapon, I won't lie.

My thumb would hate me, but I'd love it.

(I use my special on mouse 5, it's actually a lot easier than Q.)

[dark cradle]

I play with a controller.

I use my thumb as well.

On the A/X button.

[normal wraith]

I also switched companion to shift.

[worthy egret]

Here i am with no companions yet sjfhf

[normal wraith]

It's okay, they take a while to get.

[maiden spear]

Would you guys say now's a good time to play the Early access* or should I hold off till 1.0

[worthy egret]

Ae?

[maiden spear]

Ment Early access, sorry

[worthy egret]

Sure, play it

Its very good

[white wren]

the game already feels pretty complete so don't hold off just because it's early access

and seeing new things get added with time is really fun in rouge-like games

[analog iron]

Early acess in this game at the moment basically just means you can play a full game now with free updates to come. It is in a pretty good place with many hours of gameplay and lore to be enjoyed

[brisk trail]

pretty much, it could use some QoL features, but it stands solid

[worthy egret]

I think i just sold someone on Hades by sending them the first boss theme

[livid ivy]

Hey, do the Twin Fists ever get the +20% boost? I haven't seen it yet

[flat vapor]

to darkness? it’s happened to me quite a bit

probs rng

[knotty epoch]

they do get it

keep in mind it can't get the buff if you've just used it

[noble mulch]

Its always going to alternate to a weapon you didn't use from your previous run

[alpine silo]

Are there going to be more weapon? I don’t really like the last one very much...

The little chariot is impossible to deal with...

[stoic quail]

The little chariot is easy to deal with. You don't have to attack them at all. Just run away from them and lead them into a wall. Get them to chase you towards a wall and then dash and they hit the wall and die. Pro tips @alpine silo

[brisk trail]

That sounds easy, but sometimes kiting them properly can net you damage from other enemies.

[alpine silo]

Huh? O.O

I’m going to have to try that

What about shield bearer or whatever his proper name is?

[stoic quail]

something great shield, I don't know. Yeah those guys are a pain to deal with. I usually try to time it so that they do that slam which locks them in place and as they do that you dash behind them and get hits in

[wraith cipher]

Zeus's cast is a good flame wheel counter

[pliant dagger]

I think the respawning shade fellas are called exalted

So exalted spear, bow, shield...I...think

[brisk trail]

Longspear, Brightsword, Longbow, Greatshield.

[pliant dagger]

Ah yes those are the names!

[tawdry plinth]

Greatshields are the bane of my existence in that zone

[lucid sequoia]

Mini Theseus

[pliant dagger]

Somehow I find the greatshields worse

[lucid sequoia]

yeah

5 armored greatshields walking menacingly towards you

[stoic quail]

Theseus kills me by distracting me from laughing too much

[lucid sequoia]

he makes me angery

Aesterius is chill tho

i always murder Aesterius brutally first so he doesn't need to watch his best friend die

[mild needle]

yeah theseus special is a pain to deal with so im also always aim for the bull first

but sometime i have a aoe build and triggers their final phase at the same time

i would aim for aesterius then suddenly collums of lightning headed my way and im like "wha-"

[lucid sequoia]

hmm

talking about that

which Theseus special is the worst

besides all of them

[mild needle]

i'd say non of them

the pain is the shield

[lucid sequoia]

lol

oh

[mild needle]

he blocks attack

[lucid sequoia]

absolutely

[mild needle]

his special is easy to dodge

[stoic quail]

dio or zeus worst for their unpredictability IMO

[mild needle]

dio is in there, yes

[lucid sequoia]

with ranged weapons it's ok(?)

but with meele ones he starts spinning towards you and it hurts

[mild needle]

i'd say the shield>the charge aoe spin>dio special

in that order of pain in the ass

[lucid sequoia]

understandable

[pliant dagger]

was gonna add but i suppose it's better suited in gameplay

[mild needle]

if i have athena/ares call i just go ham on him when he calls for olympians help

[pliant dagger]

i tend to use my companion

love me the flavour dialogue

[mild needle]

oh companions trigger dialogue?

didnt know that

i never use them

i always forgot

lol

[pliant dagger]

haha yeah, they have some unique interactions!

[mild needle]

when im only playing in low heat atm so i dont really need them

[pliant dagger]

i suggest using than during the fury sisters, all companions, including than during than encounters

[mild needle]

maybe ill learn to use them in mid-high heat

[stoic quail]

I do wish they were easier to aim. I saw that was a feedback that got highly voted. Definitely could use some sort of improvement for that. Makes some of them too difficult to use effectively

[pliant dagger]

they;re only brief lil oneliners but amusing nonetheless

ah yeah, i don't really use them for damage all that often bc theyre a lil unreliable but i mainly use them to hear the dialogue like i mentioned above

[lucid sequoia]

every single piece of dialogue in this game is amusing, except theseus

[pliant dagger]

oh, they also have unique voice lines when you use them in two consecutive rooms!

[stoic quail]

Hard disagree. Theseus is hilarious. You take that back immediately, fiend

[lucid sequoia]

absolutely not

[pliant dagger]

im too busy getting my rear end whooped by asterius' spin attack

[lucid sequoia]

Snort

oops

[pliant dagger]

😔

[lucid sequoia]

i find Aesterius kinda easy

that's because he's a friendly guy and he's holding back his imense god like powers

Poseidon quivers before him!

[pliant dagger]

I once took a chaos boon that reduced my movement speed and then the next set of rooms was the shop -> boss fight

[lucid sequoia]

oh

[pliant dagger]

So uh, that was fun :) needless to say I didn't get out that run

[lucid sequoia]

that is a problem

[pliant dagger]

Had forced overtime on too 😔

[chilly moon]

@pliant dagger Same happened to me PepeHands

Chaos either really buff you up, or Jinx you .... However, i managed to do more than 1k damage using the spear with one spin

It was the best run I ever did as if the real God aided me with Olympian Gods ^-^

[mild needle]

i didnt have forced overtime but i did encounter a situation like that, chaos boon reducing ms while fighting the heroes

luckily i have hermes dash so it wasnt that bad

and athena on dash

cant touch this intensifies

[empty turtle]

What do you guys think the the 4th aspect for the other weapons will be. I feel like arrow will be robin hood but I dont know what other stuff will be

[pliant dagger]

Good question, Arthur aspect came outta left field so idk what to expect anymore haha

[lucid sequoia]

I just know that I really NEED something for the shield

i just use Zag's one because i hate the other ones

bring Fast Flight back!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pliant dagger]

What's that? Forgive me, I only started playing during the long winter update

[lucid sequoia]

your shield special is 50% faster and hits only 1 target before coming back

it was my baby

it still lives in my memory

it was good with every god

hmm maybe not so much but it was SO fun

153/10

[mild needle]

chaos aspect is more fun

[pliant dagger]

Ooh was it a hammer upgrade?? Or an aspect?

[lucid sequoia]

ok heretic

Ooh was it a hammer upgrade?? Or an aspect?
@pliant dagger hammer

[pliant dagger]

Ah ok sounds like it

[mild needle]

[lucid sequoia]

we didn't have aspects then, times were simpler

[mild needle]

ok boomer

[pliant dagger]

Mash q to win?

[lucid sequoia]

loool

my dad went through tartarus to get to school every day

[mild needle]

[pliant dagger]

Hhnnfjfhjh kids these days are ruining the economy, trying to escape from hell rather than buying a home and settling down

[lucid sequoia]

this about buying a home, i'm almost dying daily trying to pay college wth

[pliant dagger]

Ah, tuition woes

I feel ya 😔

[lucid sequoia]

so back to the shield, i can only use chaos aspect after the hammer that makes bull rush faster

and zeus aspect is... i find it... boring

[mild needle]

why would you need the bull rush faster

go for the +3

[lucid sequoia]

hm

[mild needle]

i did a plum run with it

[lucid sequoia]

i never use it so idk what i'm talking about

[mild needle]

+3 bounce

it clears room so fast

i did have 2 chaos boons which give total of 160% special damage but thats beside the point

[pliant dagger]

I haven't got Zeus aspect to work for me

Idk how to use it dnsbbd

[mild needle]

you control it

throw it out

click the button again

and it follows you

[lucid sequoia]

yeah, if it was a tiny itsy bitsy faster

[mild needle]

just run/dash in a circle

you can get hammer upgrade for that

and hermes

[lucid sequoia]

yeah

[mild needle]

it is slow at first

but with the upgrade

[pliant dagger]

Oh huh I should try that I've just been throwing it out once and praying it does something smdbfjhf

[mild needle]

its very fast

[lucid sequoia]

maybe is my fast flight withdrawal

[mild needle]

the shield returns to you when you click the button again

so just run circle

[lucid sequoia]

yup

[mild needle]

and it shreds everything

[pliant dagger]

Ok, sonic time

[mild needle]

i did a zeus shield run with crystal beam and ares blades on cast

oh and hadouken hammer upgrade for bull rush

[pliant dagger]

What's a left click

[lucid sequoia]

it's when you click the left button

[pliant dagger]

Thanks

I only press q

[mild needle]

i highly suggest buying a mouse with macro keys

[noble sage]

right click for me

[mild needle]

and bind your special to m4

[noble sage]

way easier

[mild needle]

right click is cast for me

i can do attack, cast and special on the mouse alone

very easy to combo

and manual aim

[noble sage]

the problem for me is, unless you have the Hermes boon, cast just doesn't fit into my attacks besides initiating

[mild needle]

unless you value your attack i find that mixing your attack patterns with different skill best maximizes the damage

[pliant dagger]

Boiling blood is useful

[mild needle]

mirror upgrades, yeah

normally i dash strike in special cast and then auto attack

[pliant dagger]

I didn't use it until I had 3 casts though

[mild needle]

enemies die pretty quick

if you have aoe in your special even the shield holders die in like 2.5s

normal enemies take 1-1.5s

if you dont mess up the combo that is

the first 3 is to break the shield if they have one

auto attack to stagger them continuosly

since dash gives you invul you dont really take damage during that time also

with athena delfect on dash its even better

[pliant dagger]

I love staggering the thique boys in Tartarus bc they do a lil funny spin

Get dunked, losers

[mild needle]

im amazed at how they optimized the game honestly

the visuals are nice

and there are so many details

and particle effects

but the game runs so smoothly

[lucid sequoia]

i wanna put glitter on my weapons

[mild needle]

oh maybe because its a rogue like game that they can do this

since theres only 1 room at a time

[spring plaza]

@mild needle It is a bit painful for the eyes in some encounters between all the effects from boons, environment and bosses or mid-bosses when Extreme Measures and Middle Management are enabled

[vast dagger]

might also be that its basically 2d

[stiff trellis]

I think I really like the hera aspect now

Being able to stack multiple casts into one attack is honestly incredibly fun

Wait

Poseidon cast

The ultimate yeeting tool

[brazen isle]

This shade empty
YEET

[novel wasp]

Yeet the sisyphus rock

YEET THE BOULDY

[normal fjord]

malphon with lambent plume is fun

I punch

idc if they attacking me i punch

[kindred onyx]

I found a bug

[calm laurel]

that being?

[kindred onyx]

Can I tag them?

[lusty stump]

If you are in game just do

[kindred onyx]

I'm not in game.

[lusty stump]

Hm then tagging them about it won't do much

[kindred onyx]

I mean

It's not hard to understand

[lusty stump]

Well what's the bug then in such case? Maybe we can recreate it. I am saying so since without the game data that occurred during such bug happening Supergiant will have to dig a bit there.

[kindred onyx]

Uh

Sure

Finish room, chaos gate opens, open a chest of punishment or whatever that thing is called, chaos gate stays open and you can escape

Shouldn't it close?

[lusty stump]

No, that's intended.

[kindred onyx]

Hm

In the middle of a fight?

[lusty stump]

If you even activate the trove, the exits will always stay open for use if it happens you rethink of doing the trove.

[hollow heron]

Actually, i have something i want to know if is a bug or not:
If you use the charged uppercut upgrade, and dash during charge, you dash and then do a normal? uppercut, specifically not a dash uppercut.

Also on keyboard, the direction of movement you're holding takes priority over the aiming direction of it, which i'm fairly certain is a bug

[kindred onyx]

The exits shut themselves if I do the trove though

@hollow heron I can suggest a good cheap controller if you'd like.

[hollow heron]

nah

i have one i just prefer keyboard

keyboard feels so much more precise

[kindred onyx]

Aight

[hollow heron]

being able to pinpoint aim and also move independently its amazing

[kindred onyx]

Being able to snug up on my couch and only have my hands sticking out is amazing :p

[hollow heron]

i can't use my monitor on the couch anyways 😛

so like doesn't matter to me

[acoustic lantern]

Did they make a small patch since the big update? to fix ds4 (ps4) controller issues

[agile saddle]

is benefits package bugged?

i understand it gives armored foes a perk but its also spawned may more armored foes. as in every room as multiple now

[white wren]

Does anyone know if you can fish on the surface after ||defeating Hades?||

or if they're planning to add that?

[agile saddle]

only Tarturus/Asphodel/Elysium/Styx/Void have fishing spots

[white wren]

ok, thanks for responding

[agile saddle]

unless noted in a update post we wont know if it will be added

[white wren]

it just seemed like there were perfect fishing spots

[agile saddle]

also final boss is still spoilers