The ending doesn't cancel anything
#h1-discussion
rare flume
worthy egret
Alright next run i will not mess around and will go straight for the kill hqushf
trail helm
Good luck
worthy egret
:+1: i almost had it last time
rare flume
The reason stuff doesn't show up locked is because it needs story things to happen to be relevant
worthy egret
Dionysus Call n i ce
I just wish i was better with melee weapons
Rn im like
DASHSTRIKE IN A DORECTION
KEYSMASH
trail helm
Oh. But I thought stuff shows up as long as you keep purchasing work orders?
hollow heron
I'm like "dash strike. Now, do it again"
rare flume
There's stuff that does that, yes. But there's other stuff that comes up via story
trail helm
I just want my infernal gates back
rare flume
Infernal gates? I must've missed those
quartz veldt
I'm hoping far a Cael Hammer ...
trail helm
I was up to 30 heat runs before I stopped months ago
hollow heron
I don't really like exagryph but I'm by far the best at it
worthy egret
Meanwhile i cant handle my stuff with kitchen mittens
trail helm
Gates are a 2 diamon upgrade, but it's not clear what all needs to be purchased first
Assuming the wiki is updated
jade grove
I'd prefer an easter egg sort of thing, like an old school cheat code
worthy egret
In terms of how good i am i guess
Exagryph>Aegis=Coronacht>Stygius> the rest
jade grove
That replaces the Daedalus Hammer with a little Cael Hammer
...and Excalibur with the Transistor, tbh
hollow heron
I can't play sword tbh
I'm too used to special being unusable despite it being good forever
trail helm
It's possible the wiki is out of date and something else unlocks them now
dire cedar
sword works only on cast build for me
jade grove
Weapons... I love Exagryph and am reasonably good at it, have easiest runs with shield but like it a bit less
worthy egret
Just to be forced to learn it
jade grove
Am frankly terrible at bow and sword, although I do better with Arthur than Stygius.
rare flume
I love the Nemesis aspect of the sword
worthy egret
I love Malphon but I am so BAD AT IT
trail helm
I just haven't been focusing on gems because they seemed underwhelming compared to getting my mirror fully upgraded
worthy egret
Im focusing on gems because a e s t h e t i c s
trail helm
It wasn't clear a bunch more upgrades are gated behind the ones showing
dire cedar
yeah
jade grove
Aesthethicc
lean ferry
aspect of arthur is a heccin chonker prove me wrong
patent gulch
where my Twin Fists ??? i have epic version
worthy egret
NO
worthy egret
Lap, finish a run and they should be there
jade grove
The only ones you NEED to buy are the diamond ingame mechanics buffs, the harp and pool for extra mechanics
dire cedar
i must have that painting of Hades
worthy egret
Ah the lyre. The drrrn rGggggrrrr dRRRMMM
trail helm
Yeah now that I know about the diamond ones I want to get them unlocked
dire cedar
ohh
jade grove
@hollow heron I'm bad at perfect shots, so I'm bad at bow.
trail helm
Infernal gates are still in the game?
worthy egret
What are infernal gates?
hollow heron
Perfect shots are fairly easy once you get the timing down
jade grove
Infernal Gates are unlocked later
hollow heron
I'd say I'm probably 95%+ on them
jade grove
they take you to Erebus, a challenge room where you have to kill without getting hit to unlock bonus Challenge tier loot
trail helm
Through work orders?
dire cedar
that's disappointing
worthy egret
OH
worthy egret
I WAS WONDERING WHERE EREBUS WAS
trail helm
I was confused because someone said they got all diamond upgrades and didn't have them
jade grove
Meanwhile, Infernal Dates are unlocked by getting some relationships to the max level. c:
:p
worthy egret
Get out
trail helm
I was so bad at them when I stopped
It's weird coming back and having to unlock a bunch of mechanics I had before
worthy egret
Should i unlock the administrative room first
I really want Last Words
It slaps leave me alone
Or scourge of the furies
lean ferry
erebus is harder than it used to be too
iirc the enemies there are the same level as ||hades' summons||
worthy egret
Also a banger
trail helm
The game overall seems easier to not take damage than it used to
They cleaned up some of the things I had issues with in the heat of combat
worthy egret
stepping on a trap when using the pierced butterfly
jade grove
not stonks
lean ferry
i want a cerebus plushie so we can have a lil doggo chase the enemies around
rare flume
Pretty sure you lose it
worthy egret
Dangit
lean ferry
if you're gonna go butterfly or plume you're better off not changing keepsake
worthy egret
Everyone else: here is my keepsake it should help you uwu
Thanatos and Hermes: make an effort.
trail helm
What keepsakes do people use the most now?
rare flume
The acorn was pretty hot for a bit I think
lean ferry
i also just noticed something
both final aspects so far have affected our hp in some way
i wonder if that'll be a thing with all of them
trail helm
I'm addicted to egg for the first two and then tooth. But I'm curious what else is good
worthy egret
I just wanna talk to space grampa without getting stabbed
dire cedar
i think they will affects basic statistics
trail helm
The randomness and risk of chaos is too enticing
dire cedar
not only hp
trail helm
But I'm wondering if the egg is really that helpful anymore compared to other options
jade grove
@worthy egret When you think about it, they're being the most generous, they're saying "Help yourself!"
<: :>
rare flume
I didn't really like chaos boons at first, until I had maxed out most of the mirror
jade grove
yes, it's another horrible pun
worthy egret
I mean its like, what, 24 hp? You can recover that but like
lean ferry
i do like that they have different movesets to their other aspects too
really interesting to see how the rail aspect will mix things up
dire cedar
i really like Chaos Egg
worthy egret
It helps reduce the cost
jade grove
The egg's rarity buff is quite nice.
trail helm
They increase my damage even more, so I can glass cannon harder against the final boss
dire cedar
yeah
rare flume
You could even say that it's eggcellent
void vigil
its worth it... if they decide to show up in ur runs :((
dire cedar
My Arthur run with 5 chaos boons
jade grove
I miss the seeds where I'd get an ixion every well
worthy egret
They better or im having fried egg for breakfast
dire cedar
that was amazing
jade grove
Phil Swift.gif
jade grove
Leggo my eggo
trail helm
Has anyone worked out the chaos gate probability?
worthy egret
The cosmic egg always reminds me of the The Egg story
lean ferry
speaking of breakfast imma go get some donuts
worthy egret
I think kurzgesagt made a video on it
void vigil
having it for the entire run and not seeing ixion in any well and not any gates feels bad haha
trail helm
I want to know how unlikely it is to not get one for the first two areas
rare flume
My breakfast was an egg in the hole grilled cheese sandwich
void vigil
i understand why the keepsake doesnt increase the frequency of them showing up, but... i also wish it did
void vigil
no gain without pain?
jade grove
I mean, I don't see why it shouldn't buff the frequency.
Actually
Why not remove the health thing?
Replace it with MORE CHAOS GATES
trail helm
Has egg really been one of the best starting options for months now?
void vigil
H I T M E
worthy egret
Nah chaos just wants to watch me be a dumb dumb and almost kill myself by attacking urns after ive come back to the game and forgot there was a curse on me
trail helm
You'd think they would want to make other options as tempting
jade grove
Oof
worthy egret
Hope that gave them a laugh
void vigil
keep it clean please
rare flume
Sorry
worthy egret
Chaos gets bonus points for making Zag say oof
jade grove
Me, getting the attack/special debuff two rooms before boss.
And it took my only booned slot, or my main Aspect functionality
worthy egret
ME BEING DUMB AND CHOOSING THE SLOWING ONE IN ELYSIUM
dire cedar
i was fighting 10mins against Hydra
trail helm
Did I see that keepsakes might be getting a rework at some point?
dire cedar
with bow special
jade grove
oh no I do that on purpose because I know I can still attack
void vigil
drift dash is such a lifesaver with the slow one
dire cedar
bcs of curse on attack
jade grove
and will only be likely to die, not guaranteed to die
worthy egret
Drift dash? (D E J A V U)
void vigil
and i hate drift dash usually
jade grove
I love dorifto dash 100% of the time
rare flume
I usually avoid chaos in Elysium, for safety
worthy egret
what's drift dash?
lean ferry
zag: yo nyx what you got for me this time
nyx: the fates have another thing for you to creepily mutter to your weapons
zag: oh ok sweet what do i need to do
nyx: go to the rail
zag: ok
nyx: and say, rip and tear, until it is done
distant BFG division intensifies
worthy egret
Oh!
jade grove
@lean ferry I summon the future aspect of... Isabelle?
worthy egret
That one is neat
lean ferry
im down for that too @jade grove
void vigil
its great for dashing into magma
jade grove
Fishing rod
worthy egret
You know what i actually think the weapons appreciate zag talking to them
jade grove
Okay but have a headcanon
worthy egret
I mean theyve been alone and locked up for so long
worthy egret
HE DOES
trail helm
@rare flume I'm just starting to get more comfortable taking them in the second area. Hydra still does too much damage to me. I appreciate that they nerfed it quite a bit though
rare flume
It's kind of spooky how the weapons thirst for blood and souls
lean ferry
skelly just walks in and zag is having a wack teaparty with his weapons chatting about juicy rumors
worthy egret
Theyre lowkey creepy with how they shudder and give visions and how chaos sees through aegis but i love it
trail helm
Can most good people get through Hydra without taking much damage?
There's so much going on
jade grove
lmao wait, Chaos literally sees through that?
I forgot that part
Imagine the view with six of them
rare flume
I wonder if skelly's identity will ever be revealed or even just hinted at more
jade grove
Just flying around randomly
worthy egret
Chaos sees through his aspect of the shield
jade grove
"It's true, Hades isn't Zagreus' father, his real dad was Skelly all along"
lean ferry
depends on what heat settings you have @trail helm
if you have the alternate map or attack speed modifiers, you're gonna have a hard time not getting hit
worthy egret
Their*
sweet badge
So, have we settled on our favourite fist aspect?
jade grove
Yeah, but I mean, imagine Chaos seeing through six wildly bouncing shields
vocal thorn
It matters if forced overtime is set to +40, and they don't have a shield, or the right Hermes buffs. Because the Ex-Hydra rapid fire has some unavoidable damage
worthy egret
But hello also. Zag venting to the weapons
jade grove
they're probably having a good time
lean ferry
chaos has enough eyes to watch 20 of the shields tbh
worthy egret
He vents to Malphon about the final boss and then during the fight the weapon makes sure to hit extra hard
lean ferry
imagine aspect of star platinum for the malphon
trail helm
@lean ferry I'm not sure what you're referring to. Map?
rare flume
Realize real eyes real lies
trail helm
I seem to take the most damage attacking the heads
I can't even always tell what hit me
lean ferry
one of the heat options changes how the boss fights work. the furies team up on you with that on, the hydra room is far smaller and more lava-ey, the two bros get a wack minigun chariot, and i dunno what hades gets @trail helm
worthy egret
Okay but what if the weapons are super excited during bossfights, especially the first one
jade grove
The Aspect of Kenshiro:
All damage dealt on the primary attack is delayed, but delivered with a huge multiplier that ignores all defenses except immunity gates.
trail helm
That's insane. I'm only on one heat
lean ferry
imagine if the weapons could talk and it turns out malphon is a massive masochist
HIT ME HARDER ZAG
jade grove
@worthy egret from "everyone wants the Chthonic Companions as pets" we've gone to "let's have the Infernal Arms as pets" and I'm loving it
trail helm
I remember when the third boss used to have chariots by default. That was wild
Any tips on taking out Hydra heads without being hurt? It's going to get more important as I turn up the heat, and I want those diamonds
worthy egret
Zag: I know you want blood but that room is a trap. Thats a Trial. Im not going there, Stygius.
Stygius: starts trying to drag Zag to the door, which only results in him sliding a few inches to the left
jade grove
Aspect of Poseidon: "But there's LOOT in there!"
lean ferry
a good option for heat is the ones that change the boss fights (for the first two at least, i hate minigun chariot theseus) because it only affects you for a tiny percentage of the total rooms
jade grove
write fic
of zagreus just talking to his pet swords and spears and goddamn machineguns
lean ferry
speaking of plushies
dusa plushie when
jade grove
yee
worthy egret
Zag: YES THERE IS LOOT IN THERE ITS A MONSTER HOUSE HAS POKEMON MYSTERY DUNGEON TAUGHT YOU NOTHING
trail helm
I feel like I need to get better at perfecting the bosses before I make them harder
jade grove
Eeeh
No need to be perfect with them
If you're alive at the end, it's worth it
me: DDs to the hydra, still somehow beats final boss
lean ferry
i mean the extra goodies from the bounties is the goal, not perfecting your boss killing strats
jade grove
stonks?
lean ferry
i do like that you can make the heat gauge cry tho
trail helm
It hurts to start the next area with low hp if you're running the new talent that gives damage when above 80%
worthy egret
Consider: the weapons can give visions, right? Them aiding him this way
Like sometimes he gets a weird feeling to NOT go in a room, or a flash of him doing something
Or dreams of past owners
Theyre not great but theyre better than nightmares
lean ferry
yeah that one would tie great with the guan yu aspect but in general i just take the 50hp instead
trail helm
I have been, but I had a few runs where I was mostly full hp when not on bosses
lean ferry
the dash damage upgrade tho? whoa momma thats some thicc damage with a crit based backstabbing arthur
cunning yacht
care to give an idea for rail run ?
worthy egret
THE NORE BOMBOS THE MERRIER
cunning yacht
i mean any fun combinations
lean ferry
embrace your inner american and just blow the entire underworld up with your bombs
worthy egret
Thats what i do
Love getting my hammers on exagryph
I could try hazard bomb but im too much of a coward
trail helm
The weirdest new interaction is that the first time through on a new heat level, I don't get the massive darkness heal at the end of each boss
And I'm encouraged to kill myself a lot
trail helm
No I mean if I'm below what stubborn defiance heals to
Sorry I should have been more clear
worthy egret
I like the new talent of healing darkness, both for the convenience and that it shows how bound zag is to it and stuff its, neato
lean ferry
i am kinda glad i got a lot of my darkness during the old heat system where you could just crank up your darkness gains with heat
trail helm
It has a lot of application. Seems almost always better than the reverse one
3 HP per room seems like nothing when you can get these insane darkness heals
lean ferry
i always skipped darkness troves because i didnt get anything worth out of it, but now, it acts as free health and upgrade points so hell yeah i love that upgrade
trail helm
I know this is the first stab at new talents, but based on my limited experience some seem way better than the reverse
lean ferry
only problem now is that i have even more stuff to spend darkness on instead of the reroll thing, because that takes an obscene amount of darkness
speaking of, how does the alternate reroll work?
trail helm
How high does reroll go? I only have two now
lean ferry
im on 6
trail helm
I heard that the alternate mostly just shuffles the same boons
worthy egret
I kinda forgot i can unlock that
trail helm
Reroll seems much better with more boon knowledge
lean ferry
fated authority is nice in the final biome because you can get some sweet stuff in that final room with it
trail helm
I need to read up on triggers for duo and legendary. Do all pairings have duo yet?
And isn't there a third boon type that interacts with other boons?
lean ferry
i dont think there is a duo boon for every single god pairing yet, but i might be wrong
trail helm
It seemed like duos required memorization or having the wiki handy before. It would be nice if there was some kind of in game way to know
lean ferry
its hard to remember them all, but i only like a few, so i dont need to remember much
trail helm
Do most people just play enough to know what boons are required for them?
lean ferry
hunting blades is my fav duo boon tbh, especially with the legendary ares upgrade mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm momma das hawt
trail helm
Or is there a handy updated reference?
I've only seen the Artemis/Athena one since coming back
rare flume
Hunting blades is almost OP lol
trail helm
Oh. I think that one was insane when I stopped
Blade rifts still seem crazy
Legendary boons seem like run winners if you get the right ones
worldly fractal
I have 70+ hours and I don't know the prerequisites for any duo/leg
worthy egret
Took me a bit to find out Zeus' hair and beard is clouds and i love that detail
acoustic ledge
artemis is best
warm elbow
How many times do i have to talk to Artemis for her to unlock the new affinity hearts, im going insane
bold lion
I'm sorry if this question comes off as super dumb, but in the game is the intention that I beat everything in one run?
Because I beat meg and get to the next part, and then when I go back into the game I'm right at the beginning of that, have to beat Meg again.
Sorry after I die I have to go back through Meg in order to move on.
rustic heath
Hello, are there new aspects for old weapons to try out or just the gloves?
@bold lion yes. The game is short and you are encouraged to go through it with different weapons and skills
trail helm
@worldly fractal Do you usually just stumble into them?
The only run I've won so far I had a legendary and a duo, so they seem important
worthy egret
@bold lion yes! You gotta beat everything in one run. May seem overwhelming now but you'll be fine
gleaming crane
This is how rogue-likes and rogue-lites work. Short-ish runs (usually between half an hour and 3 hours, depending on the game), where death means going back to the start. In rogue-lites, you usually unlock things between runs that will make the next runs easier, in rogue-likes, you can only count on your own skill progression to succeed.
bold lion
Alright so the intention is that I finish the final level by starting from the beginning.
SO I can't access Asphodel without going through the beginning, beating meg each time.
trail helm
To give you an idea. It took me 30 runs to win (beat all areas in one go) . No idea what the average is right now
rustic heath
The only run I've won so far I had a legendary and a duo, so they seem important
@trail helm i beat plenty without duos or legendaries. With +50% dmg on 2 status curses it's much better to just aim for these
worthy egret
Im at 50 and still havent won but im not really pursuing it
trail helm
I saw someone else say they always tried to aim for one of each. Are they mandatory at higher heat?
worthy egret
Got to the final areas at about 30 ish as well though
But dont take those at heart just play at your own pace
trail helm
Mine is counting the 15 runs I did back before area 4 existed. I think you need at least a portion of the upgrades to have a chance
gleaming crane
Average number of runs to beat the game seems to be between 20 and 30, with a few exceptions in both high and low extremes. There's also god mode for those who aren't too good and don't want to spend an eternity before they win.
trail helm
I'm more curious where things stand
gleaming crane
(or just those who want a more relaxed experience so they can enjoy the story more easily)
trail helm
I was honestly about to turn it on the run before I won. I wanted to get more blood to play with aspects
rustic heath
I saw someone else say they always tried to aim for one of each. Are they mandatory at higher heat?
@trail helm there are some that are quite strong such as zeus poseidon, but there are also many that are just ok like athena aphrodite. Not mandatory for sure, but everything helps.
worthy egret
Now i feel really bad i havent beaten itnyet
gleaming crane
Oh, and fyi, you don't need any upgrades. Plenty of people have shown it's possible to win from your very first run on a save-file. Not something the average player can do though, unless they train a whole lot 😉
trail helm
Everyone goes at their own pace. That final fight can be a pain without a decent build
rustic heath
Upgrades help a lot though. Especially dash and life upgrades
trail helm
Yeah I figured there were hardcore one runners out there
worthy egret
Thinking about which wep to use
trail helm
I think shield is easiest
worthy egret
Ive gotten to the final fight with all of them except malphon
elfin sorrel
i was on my 27th run and finally beat Zeus, I was so stoked! ||Then found he had another health bar|| after that and died 😦
worthy egret
SPOIKERS
worthy egret
I DIDNT KNOW ABOUT THE ||SECOND HEALTH BAR||
elfin sorrel
oops sorry @worthy egret
worthy egret
Yeaaaah
Rip
XD
Anywho im going to sleep will try to play tommorow with the intention of actually winning
rustic heath
@trail helm mostly its just about maximizing your dps and only certain duos help with that. The best legendary i can think of is fully loaded, as even with ok cast it will let you deal a lot of damage easily. But something like sthena or dionysis legendary are not mandatory at all.
trail helm
If you're really annoyed you can do what I did in a different roguelite and "backup" your save to practice the final boss
Or god mode I guess
rustic heath
Ofc there are great combos but i dont think anything is actually required to beat the game, even on high heat. Its just easier if you can deal a lot of dps cause you dont need to account for as many mistakes
trail helm
The athena legendary saved me from making stupid mistakes
rich yacht
my first win was with athena legendary
broken sail
what are yall favourite boons for the fists?
trail helm
Right now, deflect seems like my best chance at winning
Too much room to make mistakes while learning the last boss
merry harbor
Zeus attack is one of my favourites, and Demeter close behind. Athena's always great though.
broken sail
tbh ive found zeus to be stronk as hell
merry harbor
using Athena special to no-sell pretty much every attack that the final boss did is the closest I'll ver get to styling on someone
lean ferry
zeus has always been good for rapid hitting weapons
broken sail
if you get the strike twice and more damage lightning strike legendary peeps are just dead
sharp cedar
I feel that zeus is good for the fists
merry harbor
Oh, Aphrodite with her Legendary is also really hilarious, and her having the biggest % increase is SPICY.
trail helm
I haven't found a fist build that won yet. So much damage output, but lacking survivability
I feel like deflect and crit on fists with zag aspect would be insane
Is that accurate?
Honestly it seems like the build I have my one win with would be killer on all weapons
flat vapor
i had a deflect fists run earlier and they were pretty strong
had pressure points and support fire too
hollow heron
Dionysus special with chiron bow is so good
rustic heath
Fists + zeus attack
Percentage damage special
Pretty good
Basically build fist like you would the rail
misty kindle
stuck comet
Rush kick?
flat vapor
makes your special a forwards kick i believe
stuck comet
Ooh
hollow heron
I should really play some more games with the gloves
It feels like the 3rd aspect really needs levels to be good which makes me sad
Some aspects scale super hard with levels and some don't
trail helm
If I'm trying for a specific build like people talk about do I use the keepsake for that God? Or just reroll the first boon reward door?
I haven't used the god keepsakes since back when there weren't very many options
brazen isle
I tend to use the keepsake for that god and then switch to the keepsake of another god I want to build after the first zone
They force the first option of boon picks to be that specific god so it’s helpful for getting them on that run
karmic orchid
i know im a little late, but has anyone here made a jojo reference with the new weapon yet?
stuck comet
You’re about a billion years late on that
stuck comet
It means you’re favored and envied
proud orbit
||you cleared at least two trials of the gods during that run||
trail helm
What hammer upgrades am I looking for with aspect of chaos? It isn't clear if explosive return works on it
lean ferry
i dont know how i feel about stubborn defiance
granted, its an infinitely replenishing death defiance, but its more useful for common chambers
in boss fights (mainly the final one), its nowhere near as good as a single proper death defiance, let alone 3
remote moat
wait question
does stubborn defiance refresh once ber chamber
or per area ?
*per
trail helm
I had a silly run where I stacked two items that boosted stubborn defiance for 20 rooms and it was healing 90% a chamber
stuck comet
Lol
And, stubborn defiance is good when you’re practicing higher heats, imo. Once you get it handled, then you go to death defiance for the final kill
That’s how I would do it
trail helm
It's harder than you'd expect to try to time killing yourself to finishing a chamber
civic prism
There are trinkets and boons that all interact with low health though for damage resistance or bonus damage
30% of your health can still be a decent amount with life affirmation
dapper ivy
@proud orbit thank you <3
trail helm
I'm not sure what I'm missing. Aspect of chaos doesn't seem as insane as I heard it was
lean ferry
probably need a specific combo of boons and upgrades for it to be great
vocal thorn
The last patch, before it was nerfed, it was sort of out of control
It's still much better than most of the other weapon aspects, but it's much less OP than it used to be
trail helm
Ah. I wondered if that played a role. Still the best shield aspect?
I think I'm focusing too much on bull rush and special and forgetting to dash as much
lean ferry
so why exactly was the chaos shield so good? it seemed pretty meh to me
trail helm
It's going much better this run with some special damage boosts and not relying on the block from bull rush as much
flat vapor
5 times your special damage, triggered by the most defensive and most mobile attack in the game
trail helm
The hammers keep messing me up with shield
lean ferry
wow
so i went chiron aspect
first two chaos boons gave me 60 and 62 percent boosts to special, and i also got a good artemis boon for my special
i think i know what im gonna be focussing on XD
agile saddle
@trail helm chaos shields spread status extremely easily. Doom especially works
lean ferry
current special bonus damage is at 228% and i just got the hammer for more special arrows
hollow heron
nice
I really enjoy playing zeus aspect tbh
it feels so different to any other playstyle
agile saddle
Enemies move too much for Zues cause it's so slow
hollow heron
yeah that's definitely an issue
merry harbor
It's really different and that's what makes it Fun
lean ferry
if i dont backstab and get a crit on every arrow, thats roughly 1400 damage per volley
backstabs make things spicier
and then i have the dodge upgrade so if i dodge an attack i get another 50% bonus damage to put it up to 278%
hollow heron
but i basically treat it like a puppet character in a fighting game
merry harbor
The slowness becomes less noticeable as you get used to it. Also, I'm pretty sue if you double tap recall it speeds up a little.
hollow heron
you have to manage it and your shield
lean ferry
then there's the 50% backstab damage...
merry harbor
Either that or my brain's playing tricks on me.
lean ferry
just oneshot an armored shield guy
yikes
agile saddle
Sure u can double tap but enemies starting in Asphodel are constantly moving
hollow heron
ye which is why you gotta constantly micro it
narrow hemlock
you can kite with zeus aspect
hollow heron
it doesn't let you play ranged
brave thicket
just put it out and wait for fate
hollow heron
it's not really a projectile
agile saddle
Chucking out chaos u can hit everyone
brave thicket
its easier
trail helm
Is it worth having the backstab talent instead of the other option for chaos shield?
agile saddle
90% of the new options are weak compared to the old ones
trail helm
I'm not sure it's proccing enough but I also used hammer to change rush into the two other bull rush attacks
narrow hemlock
zeus aspect is more fun if you dont focus on its slow and work around that by maintaining distance from it when you recall it so that you can kite it into enemies as you move around
merry harbor
It's very much more an attentive playsyle than the other aspects, but it's WAY worth it due to the damage potential and how much more versatile and safe it is imo.
hollow heron
yeah, it being slow lets you do all kinds of stuff
basic level is just throwing it out to cover a space
trail helm
Should I be focusing more on backstabbing in general with shield?
Chaos aspect also doesn't seem to synergize quite as well with the new dash because I'm rushing all over the place instead of dashing
hollow heron
chaos aspect is super dependant on levels so i haven't really played around with it much
trail helm
Is 3 shields enough?
agile saddle
I mean if it's gonna be your main weapon I would max that aspect
More shields more damage
trail helm
I haven't decided. I have a lot more aspects to try first
I feel like my talents aren't quite synergizing with this aspect
agile saddle
Shield is my least favorote weapon but I only play chaos of I am doing a run with it.
trail helm
Are you still mostly using original talents when you do?
agile saddle
Most of the new ones are pretty weak. The only ok ones can be the gold one and the one to increase legdendary/duos
trail helm
Stubborn defiance has been good to me. And the darkness heal
I also hadn't played in 6 months though, so I don't have a playstyle ingrained in me with the old ones
agile saddle
The one increasing damage with different god boons is pretty bad as most builds can easily get 2 status
trail helm
Yeah I figured that out quick
agile saddle
The increase in first hit loses 100% effectiveness after firsat hit unless u 1 shot everything which u won't on higher heats
trail helm
It's not worth it at low heats with strong multi special shields?
agile saddle
Backstab it's super helpful on bosses
trail helm
It seemed weak on most other weapons
Yeah I've noticed when I tried to play without it
agile saddle
Like it's cool they added new options but sadly they arent super worth it since u lose the original. They should have just expanded the mirror in general
trail helm
Seems like they just need to buff the bad ones
lean ferry
turns out this accidental build was far more op than i thought, just beat ||hades|| and didnt take any damage
agile saddle
And then u could choose like 6-7 mirror passives so u couldny break it
lean ferry
dusa is worth all that ambrosia and then some
too precious
agile saddle
I prefer Thanatos. Him and Zag make a cute couple
lean ferry
out of curiosity, what aspect for the malphon is best?
flat vapor
demeter, definitely
it's the chaos shield of the fists
zag is pretty good with the increased speed and dodge chance, though
talos is okay, but suffers from dps issues
merry harbor
I've heard a lot of people preferring Talos, though? Especially with its synergy with cast builds.
hollow heron
talos is fun
flat vapor
eh, it's not for me
demeter can be very strong though, especially if you level it up a bit
tight obsidian
flat vapor
zag is good with rolling (the one that ends with a dash strike) because it's a constant stream of punches
hollow heron
that hammer is crazy with athena
agile saddle
My last Demeter fist build I had the hammer that changes your upper to a kick and it's so fast to come out
vast dagger
hades moustache be like
: <><
lean ferry
huh
just noticed that in the permanent record, there are some weird things listed next to heat
what does perfect clear mean?
brisk trail
I saw one somewhere, but I don't remember where. Sorry.
lean ferry
np
narrow hemlock
@lean ferry here's some, they're spoilered in the thread itself https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/ewwfie/run_clear_achievements_messages/
lean ferry
cheers
worldly fractal
@trail helm Sorry about the delay! I do run into legs/duos by chance, every now and then. I just try to focus on a specific God or two. I think I have at least a duo or a legendary by the time I reach the final boss, unless I am running against the clock (recently beat the game in under 20 minutes, didn't have time to plan a leg/duo)
novel wasp
- L E G S *
inner arrow
I seem to be unable to post in #hades-suggestions .. Am I lacking a role, if so , how would I get it? In fact how do you get any role ever
long jewel
Can I please have an F for my 33 heat run with excalibur that died to rats on the last floor
oof
merry harbor
f
dreamy roost
Suggestions is closed, and is opened by the mods/devs when they're looking for specific suggestions from the community (Ex: Any ideas for Rail Hammer Upgrades?)
Feedback is where most people post suggested related stuff, and you do need a role for that. Read the readme-first channel to figure that out
Oh wait, I was wrong. Read the pinned messages in feedback first to figure that out
inner arrow
I meant feedback yeah, thanks.
dreamy roost
No problem
hollow heron
How do I unlock Thanatos btw?
dim furnace
Eventually he just shows up before an encounter starts. Not sure if this is an exact thing, but he showed up during my 20th run
deft vector
is it just me or are there no fishes in levels 2 and 3?
merry harbor
You have to have gotten past Elysium a few times, I got him showing up around like, run 12 or so?
About when the other Fury Sisters also show up.
merry harbor
huh. Just bad luck then, that's unfortunate.
gilded narwhal
am I just real bad or is Dark Regeneration just flat out worse than regular per-room regeneration?
+3 health per room really helps out in the last zone, where you will never pick up any darkness
inner arrow
It depends, really... you can take per room and enjoy a very stable healing over time
Or you could go for dark regen, use a darkness boosted weapon, go for as many chaos boons as possible to get more max HP and Darkness worth, go for Poseidon boons that increase reward...
brisk trail
I like dark regen
gilded narwhal
that's a lot of custom building to make it useful though
brisk trail
So when I farm darkness with low heat I get a ton of healing
inner arrow
And you end up dropping darkness drops worth 300+ every few rooms and just max healing all the time
brisk trail
// poseidon boons +150%
inner arrow
It's a lot of custom building for something that's very useful on the long run and much, much stronger
gilded narwhal
i guess i'm not good enough at the game yet that darkness farming is something icare about
especially with the pact that locks out the bottom three
inner arrow
It's not about skills, if you ask me, more about playstyle
brisk trail
Plus I think getting 80% healing from darkness is better than 3 hp per room
inner arrow
Dark Regen is a lot stronger if you plan your strategy with it in consideration
merry harbor
It's also really good for if you're having to redo a boss on a Heat level, because the boss drops are pretty much full heals.
brisk trail
Since most of the time you'll end up getting darkness either way either from charon or from rooms you don't have a choice to pick
gilded narwhal
if i'm against a boss i'm already probably getting close enough to full off the fountain though
inner arrow
idk, fountain is what, 40%?
gilded narwhal
i'm still doing runs on pretty low heat
inner arrow
I've had boss fights end where my HP is 5% or lower.. the darkness drop makes the difference between under half and full
gilded narwhal
i'm trying to keep the heat levels roughly even though mixing it up with spear is really kicking my butt
brisk trail
It's aight man just try it yourself to see if you want it during your playthrough
It can be a lifesaver most of the time
gilded narwhal
i probably shouldn't try to clear out some of these pact conditions and mirror prophecies at the same time as a weapon i'm not comfy with
inner arrow
both are quality upgrades imo
One is a lot more safer and stable, while the other is more investment heavy but more rewarding of your investment.
You should just run whichever you feel fits your playstyle most.. also, being done with keys/nectar is a big deal
gilded narwhal
yeah I think i'm done with both of those until the next patch
inner arrow
Once you have no use for nectar or keys anymore aside from the side bonuses, the darkness rewards are much more appealing, and thus dark regen is stronger
gilded narwhal
i have 88 runs, i'm just really bad at the game
so i'm only up to 3-5 heat with each weapon
inner arrow
Don't fret about it, just being in heat levels is good enough imo
Hades is not an easy game at all
Play at your own pace and be proud of what you've achieved 😉
gilded narwhal
it's actually the first time in most supergiant games I went heavier on the difficulty modifiers, in Bastion I barely applied any and same in Transistor
i messed around with them a bit more in Pyre but that's easier to cheese
hollow heron
Oh hey Thanatos finally 
novel wasp
Clap the Hades
jade grove
I can safely say that Dark Regen is stronger everywhere except Styx if you take more than a few hits per room, unless you don't use Troves at all.
Nectar and keys are uncommon enough that your choice is often Gems or Darkness, and Darkness becomes a really good option then
novel wasp
I can safely say cthonic regeneration deserve a buff to +5 instead of 3 to keep up with the darkness healing
the darkness healing is just so good it applies even to the trove and erebus item
consider how hard styx enemies hits you i think a +5 is not very huge
marble sphinx
really? i found dark regen too unreliable compared to chthonic
novel wasp
It heals a hella lot, 8 per 10 gems, and usually comes with 25
especially if you were trying to rebeat the heat mode since you cant finish it
the boss darkness is literal free health
proper wing
What perks does ''Benefits Package'' give to armored enemies?
brisk trail
jade grove
Agreed
@novel wasp 10 darkness, not gems
But yeah 100% agree that chthonic is actually underpowered in comparison
acoustic lantern
Yea, datkness heal is super good
especially if you get the darkness trove
those hold 150, thats like 120 heal
novel wasp
112 heal
but usually if you have good build you could definitely score a 140 darkness
acoustic lantern
do those hold 140 darkness and not 150?
My memory must be foggy
anyway, that's still insane
also the ability to just buy darkness from Charon, usually cheap
chtonic needs abump to 5 easily
novel wasp
it can hold 150
but yknow, you need time to defeat the enemies
ive never really get full value of trove reward before but 140-142 is my best when it comes to darkness
lean ferry
yeah chthonic needs a buff or its counterpart needs a nerf, otherwise there's no reason to ever go for chthonic
lean ferry
there shouldnt be one that's an obvious pick over another
at least in my opinion
and currently the darkness regen elbow drops cthonic from a 3 story building
i love it, but comparatively, it is a tad op
even if that is only because chthonic is kinda doodoo
rain hedge
I thought it was perfectly acceptable with the exception of higher heat runs, but that leaves me with not know what a good solution would be. Neither the nerf nor a buff sound great
lean ferry
that said i dont know, from a new game standpoint, if you can get the original and alternate upgrades at the same time
if the alt ones come later, then the darkness regen does make more sense being that strong compared to chthonic, but still
rain hedge
Agreed @lean ferry
lean ferry
i suppose it might be a bit more even if there was a drawback to the darkness regen, like reduced max hp. not massive or anything, 10, maybe 20% max
rain hedge
Smart, so that it limits the value of heals unless you build max hp
novel wasp
first, suffer 50 hp loss, next, so much condition just for the 25% damage
you need to top 80% health to get that bonus
thick skin is superior in every way
lean ferry
chthonic is reliable constant hp regeneration, but regens extremely slowly
darkness is far less common & highly random when you can use it, but if you hit a trove (especially with bonus darkness boons) thats instant max health most of the time
not the most even of choices
novel wasp
Darkness regen is common but you have to pray for some rng
but the thing is that it gives so much hp, that its best for even if you just hurt a little
the biggest weakness of chthonic shows when you loss like 100 hp in one room
lean ferry
if troves werent a thing then darkness regen would be just as good as chthonic probably
agreed
foggy flame
Hi. Does the game support any kind of cloud save now?
I started playing the game when it didn't
and I don't know if it still doesn't
novel wasp
people might think oh the styx chtonic is better that way
lean ferry
you can copy your progress over manually, but i dont know about cloud saves
novel wasp
jokes on you if you get hit the 3hp negates immediately
because every enemies in styx deals mega hit damage
lean ferry
especially
the r a t
lean ferry
he's got some solid chompers on 'im
novel wasp
i would consider use it if it were bump to 5 hp
because i am still skilled enough to survive tunnels without hits
lean ferry
the rat is kinda hard to dodge sometimes, but most of the time you can avoid getting hit with the basic dudes
lean ferry
i mean i havent lost to either yet
lean ferry
the little dude does not give up when you dodge him tho
novel wasp
the real annoying part is that you use sword, and the stage where snakestone is in the middle
like, bruh, i cant hit it
aside from using cast
lean ferry
god yeah that sucks
novel wasp
that one is mega doodoo
lean ferry
yeah
speaking of the sword, arthur is bloody awesome
used nemesis until now, and i dont think im going back
i love how the movesets are different, its almost like a new weapon
novel wasp
also darkness vs chtonic will stop matter once you crank dat Dire Consequences to Max 🙃
which god even if its the only heat modifier it is actually harder than em4
lean ferry
i aint ever touchin dire consequences
im not bad at the game but im not "never get hit until the final boss" good
novel wasp
same
imagine you cant recover from the tickles that rats give you sometime
or the poison
god i hate poison
taking a lot of damage, then takes more damage the meantime you search for the cure
lean ferry
i usually go for boss only modifiers and the trap one, then a point or two into the easier ones like extra enemies
lean ferry
expensive shops tho
lean ferry
but if you bank then you lackin stonks in the powah department
novel wasp
just avoid the obol
bruh
and go for boon room
reroll obol
obol is like the least important reward you wanna get
lean ferry
zag: activates convenience fee
chiron: angry lack of customer noises
novel wasp
also here is a trick to get extra obol
charon, not chiron
chiron is the centaur that gives you homing missile arrows
novel wasp
anyway where was i, yes, extra obol
lean ferry
give rich boat daddy more events
novel wasp
in stage 3, if you have planned build before, so the previous two keepsake was gods keepsake
the stage 3, take hypnos keepskae
and then stage 4 switch to meg or nyx, or orpheus if bow or rail, or defensive items
lean ferry
which one was the hypnos keepsake?
novel wasp
depend on your liking
hypnos keepsake is the chthonic purse
gives 150 (max rank) coins
lean ferry
i thought that was charon
oh wait no his increases well item duration
probably a pretty good keepsake
i never use it tho
novel wasp
too niche to function
tawny patio
I suggest start the run with the purse for maximum effect from the new mirror talent, Golden Touch
novel wasp
@tawny patio but what if you want the god build
so the two first keepsakes be gods keepsake for ez building up
lean ferry
golden touch is great
you get more gold in the end from it than you do from the original upgrade
novel wasp
because if you take it too late you might be facing underpowered
lean ferry
i like going butterfly and just letting the rngeesus take the wheel for boons
novel wasp
thanatos keepsake is great and all but that keepsake must be used for the whole run
and only it
theres no combo keepsake with it
because you do lose all those damage bonus once you took it off
lean ferry
its a very powerful keepsake tho, if you get it going
global damage increases are always very handy
tawny patio
@novel wasp the game has its own idea of which gods are gonna contact Zag in a run. If the first keepsake isn't among the roster it's gonna be a bad run anyway
novel wasp
Really?
lean ferry
god keepsakes guarantee the first boon belongs to that god tho
novel wasp
I thought they all show up but if you have picked like 4 gods the others wont show up
lean ferry
at least thats how i think it works
novel wasp
for example if you already have Ares, artemis, Demeter and Zeus, you wont be getting poseidon anytime soon
in stage 3
lean ferry
i think ive had more than 4 gods before
if you count hermes
novel wasp
stage 3 is what determines your roster
discount hermes
hermes always shows up
hermes works differently compared to other gods
proof i think how it works is because I remembered Athena appeared very early on in stage 1 but i picked artemis and in stage 2 athena shows up again but i ignore again and in stage 3 i have all 4 gods and athena basically stops showing up
tawny patio
Honestly I haven't looked into this part of the code hard enough to conclude. But think of it this way: the gods available in a run is determined by the seed. And I don't see how the starting keepsake could affect the seed yet.
novel wasp
I once do some seed manipulate since this new patch, the god actually becomes different
by switching the keepsake
also the room reward
and the infernal or chaos portal
tawny patio
Thats interesting.
novel wasp
the only thing that is the same is that the layout of the room arrangement
and the gold bonus urns
tawny patio
I could only speak from experience that many times I started a run with a keepsake, only to get a single (or 2) boon from that god.
novel wasp
what you need is the first boon if you wanna do builds
tawny patio
This makes me lose confidence :(
novel wasp
you wanna make the condition met so you can get the duo or legendary
however, the chance does not increased, but it def can be arranged to appear if you have done your homework
like very early on to get Ares and Artemis to be in 1st stage if you are incredibly lucky so you wont be spending another keepsake just to make the other god to appear in stage 2
lean ferry
keepsakes make it so that the next boon you encounter should be from that god afaik
makes getting your build started easier, but you likely need boons from more than one god for it, so getting that second god often is the bigger issue
novel wasp
for example, you wanna build Hunting Blades, start with Ares, since the Hunting blades condition required Slicing shot from Ares and anything from Artemis, since its so specific
tawny patio
I won't put that much confidence in my luck yet.
novel wasp
also if you get slicing shot early on you dont get punished hard for its unconventional damage
but its been better imo, the rift is slow enough so that it wont be passing through enemies and only tickle them
tawny patio
For now I'd rather go with what the game offers than forcing anything to happen.
novel wasp
You would be missing out some builds
which building is actually a really important knowledge once you reached high heat
in low heat anything works
heck i even finished the run without an attack boon except the raw damage all from chaos
that is heat 0
onyx elk
I have a cool build i made out yesterday, i had like 4 heat
I manage to make this amazing build: Malphon with max Zagreus aspect + hermes feather(i had it at 30% or so at the end of the run) + artemis basic attack+ ruthless dash + 25% Dodge chance from hermes + 30% attack speed from hermes + Hammer upgrade that gives you bonus damage for every uninterupted attack + hermes bonus that gives you dodge and speed afther using your call
novel wasp
whats hermes keepsake do again
i remembered similar to thanatos it only gives stacked bonus if you do the condition
onyx elk
It gives you Dodge and speed every time you clear a chamber fast
onyx elk
Really?
hollow heron
Dodge is pretty nice
novel wasp
better learn how to dodge
as in physically
rather than rely on some rng
the last thing i need in roguelike game is even more rng stat to cover my fragile one life body lol
thats usually my moral in every roguelike game, i avoid rng stats
lean ferry
its still rng but you cant dodge everything
you arent supposed to tank hits and hope the rng gods are blowing you, you use it as a "if i mess up with my dodge, i might not take damage"
novel wasp
yeah and thats why dodge build is kinda meh in this game i guess
since you cant reach dat 100% dodge
lean ferry
that would be immortality
novel wasp
you better off invest ways that can stop the source that forces you to dodge in the first place
also athena laughs in background if you really want dodge
onyx elk
I mean, you can't reach it literally or is it like it doesnt matter how much you have you will still get hit?
novel wasp
ive tried dodge build but that does not make me not lose 1 dd in EM hydra
EM hydra is cancer
lean ferry
its interesting
hollow heron
What does EM hydra do?
lean ferry
much harder
lean ferry
the room is smaller with more lava
hollow heron
Ah
novel wasp
using sword in EM Hydra is pure pain
hollow heron
Yeah that seems harder
lean ferry
there's no cover either
hollow heron
The pink things are still attackable though right?
novel wasp
EM hydra is the god why does this exist mode
onyx elk
I guess ill have to look at it more, with that build you can go up to 110% or more Dodge easily
novel wasp
with pink head hydra its even more cancer
lean ferry
pink things?
chilly maple
Is there a list about the build duo?
novel wasp
because everywhere is lava for its already small area for you to stand
hollow heron
The main hydra projectiles
lean ferry
ye
lean ferry
its just the room layout that changes
novel wasp
hydra itself isnt annoying, its the little heads are the annoying part
pink hydra for example, spews the lava puddle everywhere
for an already SMALL area for you to stand
chilly maple
Bosses with invisibility stage are annoying
novel wasp
that makes me just wanna die inside
lean ferry
EM gives fury support, changes the hydra room, and changes the moveset for the elysium bros
hollow heron
Fury support?
novel wasp
Instead one dealing with you
onyx elk
Yea
novel wasp
sometimes 2, and all of them will deal with you
chilly maple
Oh hey it's le dante
lean ferry
the fury you are fighting is supported by her sister(s)
hollow heron
Nice
novel wasp
tbh thats how fury stage shouldve work tbh
chilly maple
novel wasp
when i turn off EM i clapped meg's cheek easily
onyx elk
The come and help her from time to time
lean ferry
you only have to fight one, but the others will pop in and drop aoe or whatever your way
novel wasp
Yeah
hollow heron
Ah so it's basically like assists
novel wasp
Meg features a bigger circle
onyx elk
yes
novel wasp
Tisiphone features a line of them
and Alecto gives you her signature sawblade
and some random circles
hollow heron
I still have no idea how the Alecto fight works
lean ferry
fun fact
EM gives theseus a minigun chariot
novel wasp
apply firm pressure to the fury
thats all you need to know against fury even to alecto
hollow heron
Like she's not too hard, but I have no idea what rage does other than make saws and maxes at low hp
novel wasp
lol idk, i think people said it gives her more damage?
but idc, i still smack her
back to the lowest depths with them
though, if rng is not fun with you
lean ferry
i think it just makes her more dangerous in general
i know her aoe attacks faster the more angry/hurt she gets which gives you less time to attack unless you want to tank the damage
novel wasp
the combination of Meg and in Tisiphone stage is mega cancer
hollow heron
I really enjoy the Tisiphone fight
novel wasp
Tisiphone main and Meg assist
or 3 of them, in Tisiphone stage
because the room gets smaller you get nowhere to hide and meg comes in and drop her beeeeeg circle
it mega doodoo
lean ferry
tis on her own is fine
tis with assists is horrible
you cant really dodge meg's bs and the saws are constantly on your ass
hollow heron
Yeah she sounds annoying with assista
novel wasp
@lean ferry I feel murder
lean ferry
heat runs are fun tbh, the difficulty shakes things up, and even changes how some enemies work
keeps it from getting stale
novel wasp
Tisiphone is the easiest fury of all tbh
hollow heron
I need to get good at the final boss first
novel wasp
but, but but but, alecto keeps stepping into the spikes is just as funny
meg is just pure fun if you like having the freedom
onyx elk
Yes they are, but i definetly get salty and laught when i get a crit and it gets sucked by the one that gives foes the prevention from damage
novel wasp
if you have athena boon in every way against tisiphone tisiphone hands her ass for you
LOL
because tisiphone features a lot of spam projectiles
lean ferry
i remember when the final boss first came out
people found him easy, so The Buffening occured
many zags were killed during those dark times
he's much better now, still packs a wallop but can no longer practically one-shot you
onyx elk
that destroys like her entire set
hollow heron
Hydra was hard on release at first
hollow heron
No one really had many mirror upgrades and the fight was a crazy mess
lean ferry
i feel like hydra was hard on release because they were new
same with the bros
onyx elk
I remember my first time against the final boss, i merely made it to the second phase but i didn't knew he had a second phase, it killed me with the very first wave
lean ferry
i like how thesius and asterius are like "apply everything you learned from this biome"
novel wasp
but it was hard because i had like 2 hp with no DD lol
def cheesed my spear hard enough for that
timber flare
I was thinking that too, Syrus
lean ferry
finding out the final boss had a second phase was scary
no other enemy did that before they did
dire cedar
that "apply everything you learned from this biome" is great
dire cedar
but i was trying to destroy pillars bcs of it
lean ferry
it was a nice touch, both gameplay wise and storywise, the 2nd phase
novel wasp
and are all simps that run away the first sight they see zagreus
hollow heron
Release hydra:
Weapons did less damage so more effective hp
3 head phases, 2/4/6 heads respectively.
The barrage projectile attack was instead one where he'd rapidly do a huge amount with a big arc that was really hard to dodge.
Oh, and you couldn't attack the projectiles to destroy them
dire cedar
yeah
dire cedar
release Hydra was horibble
hollow heron
And he'd do the projectile barrage during head phases
lean ferry
you did have the urn tacos tho which did help
novel wasp
u r n t a c o s
hollow heron
So you had this crazy head phase and then you'd have to dodge an attack that wasn't easy on its own
While dodging heads
novel wasp
If only they dont have plot armor
tidal hedge
I think we can all agree that Hydra is the worst boss in the game
hollow heron
Hydra is really fun now
dire cedar
yeah
novel wasp
Yeah even in today's form, EM hydra is mega doodoo
lean ferry
its wild how much the game has changed over time
nah i like Lernie
dire cedar
Hydra is just different
hollow heron
I really dislike the Theseus fight tbh
dire cedar
and it makes game fell better
tidal hedge
Screw Theseus and his shield
novel wasp
shield in general are bad
tidal hedge
BLOCKED BLOCKED BLOCKED
lean ferry
once you get the hang of theseus, he's not that bad
just get behind him and start clapping his cheeks
onyx elk
Its anoying but fair
novel wasp
it slows down the game
dire cedar
i like moving around enemy
hollow heron
Yeah it just slows the game down a bunch
dire cedar
spaming dodge and attacks
novel wasp
for example a trove that spawns 3 greatshields
tidal hedge
It's just not fun, takes a million hours to kill
novel wasp
im like im not getting this trove anyway then
tidal hedge
Asterius is not a coward at least
novel wasp
asterius is big chad
hollow heron
Asterius is a cool fight
dire cedar
Furies are my fav boss
onyx elk
I found out that theseus block does nothing against Ares + artemis duo
dire cedar
yeah
novel wasp
it cannot block anything that is underneath them
dire cedar
blade rift build is amazing against most of the enemies
lean ferry
can we take a sec to appreciate all the cool little touches the devs put in
like our little fan in the colosseum
novel wasp
but the things that are from above for example, dio cast, rail Q, are all blocakble
onyx elk
Yes it is, normally i underrate ares in general
hollow heron
Yeah there's so many tiny touches that are beautiful
novel wasp
tbh they should rework greatshields and theseus into hitting them more will overwhelm them and then break their shield for a while
because god i hate fighting against them
dire cedar
if you have good boons
tidal hedge
Kinda defeats the purpose of the shield if you can just attack it
novel wasp
yeah only if i have the H U N T I N G B L A D E S
onyx elk
I love the fan in the colosseum, i dont like when i beat the boss and Zagreus doesn't interact with the shade
novel wasp
it can survive a few invulnerable hits
onyx elk
It feels empty
novel wasp
but it will only break when you do it fast enough @tidal hedge
and backstab will feel more congratulate rather than "its the only way to defeat them"
onyx elk
I would love that
novel wasp
backstabs in general are just sidegrade rather than a real build imo, thats why I only get athena backstab since i could apply 2 status effect on them for extra damage
lean ferry
can we give our fan an autograph plz
make his day
dire cedar
that's not enough
novel wasp
basically shielded enemies can be overwhelmed but they could recover again
onyx elk
We dont have an accurate way of measuring time down there
lean ferry
but we cant use that
lean ferry
for our purpose anyway
novel wasp
so that people cant complain about what time it is
but again the day or night joke is the best part of the game
onyx elk
We have that, we have the lines that say that outside it's always night(i think) and Hermes lines about being quick at a previous runs
lean ferry
ngl
i came for the sick looking combat and the cool graphics
i stayed for the awesome writing and characters (and, of course, the sick looking combat and the cool graphics)
onyx elk
Mood
lean ferry
games like this are usually some of the best. they dont try some revolutionary new thing, they just stick with what they know and do a damn good job at refining it
hollow heron
I literally bought the game as soon as it was announced
Saw the trailer saw I could buy it now bought it
novel wasp
revolutionary new thing isnt bad
lean ferry
i got it when the hydra was a thing i think. or was it before that, idk. ive had it for a while tho
novel wasp
but applying microtransaction to it is bad
hollow heron
Hydra has always been a thing
lean ferry
i dont think sgg is gonna pull an ea on us fade
hollow heron
Release sword should return as a challenge mode
onyx elk
I really wanted to buy it since announcement, but had to wait, i finally bought it when we had the winter update
lean ferry
its been great seeing it grow
onyx elk
It feels great, even if i just have like 2 big updates and nothing else
lean ferry
i remember when i thought meg was hard
hollow heron
Mood
lean ferry
finally beating her was so good
onyx elk
Big mood
hollow heron
Everything had armour!!
lean ferry
even the armor had armor
(kidding of course, but memes)
onyx elk
Oh yeah i remember my first death in ashphodel was like from a wavemaker with armor
hollow heron
Spear was so crazy and then we got to Ashphodel and just nope
hollow heron
Tbh barge was easy then and has only gotten easier
Nah on release it was busted in tart
Because people weren't doing the special builds
onyx elk
My first clear was with the guan yu fork i think
lean ferry
spear has always been my least fav weapon tbh, guan yu improved my opinion of it but now that arthur and malphon are here its back down
novel wasp
weak
Spear is literally sword +
malphon is muda ora dora and every single fist jokes under the sun
onyx elk
Arthur is cool, i plan on trying to make a 80% or more damage reduction with it someday
hollow heron
Meta on release was like this tier list:
First:
Shield, Spear, Sword, Bow
Second:
Shield, Spear, Bow, Sword
Third:
Shield, Bow, Spear, Sword.
After first balance patch:
Bow >>> Shield >> Spear
novel wasp
if you could make attack speed increase for arthur
novel wasp
i wanna see how good it is to slap someone
onyx elk
that + cerberus gets you 200hp since chamber 1
novel wasp
I know, but i just wanna see someone mod the arthur so hard it could do the slap under 1 second
novel wasp
ive dealt 5000 damage
dire cedar
yeah
novel wasp
i know its power
dire cedar
me too
novel wasp
i just wanna see a mod that makes the attack speed faster and see how fast can i clap hades with it LOL
ive known someone made mods that can 100x damage of all weapons
kinda pointless but ok
im sure someone can make attack speed increase mod
onyx elk
Aside from hermes attack speed, is there any other way to get more attack speed?
onyx elk
Zag fists also
novel wasp
which makes it the only spear that can challenge 32 heat