But I remember the beefy update being a little later
#h1-discussion
wet reef
river socket
nothing happens if there's no other foe around
mild needle
ic
round raven
Hi I'm considering the game and wondering if it can run on an intel iris graphics 6100
magic drift
@round raven I run it on HD 615
round raven
I dont know how good that is
magic drift
me aither about 6100 lol
it's the integrated that comes with Intel M3 chipset
is not a good graphics chipset at all
round raven
Okay mine is from a macbook pro 2015 13 inch model
knotty epoch
according to this random site i found from searching both, the iris 6100 should perform a bit better than the hd 615
it's not gonna be amazing, but if it works on the hd 615, it should work on the iris 6100
remote lily
That's true, the Iris graphic are almost only in apple ma books and these are better versions of Intel HD graphic
abstract fable
sorry if this is a dumb question but do the "next boon is x god" trinkets work if you keep them between floors? or just for the first equip
quick sigil
Just the first floor unfortunately, keeping it on is a waste
novel wasp
so you could actually delay it as long as you dont take it
abstract fable
ah i see
novel wasp
chaos however is different
since the portal is actually random chance, including the egg that procs it to appear
if you try to miss the portal you will lose it forever
abstract fable
i have never found a portal with the egg equipped
so i don't even bother trying to use it lol
novel wasp
it should appear in chamber 0 usually
abstract fable
i usually start with coin purse or a god if i'm trying for a build
maybe i should mix it up a bit
novel wasp
i got up to like 50% once
abstract fable
impressive
hmm what are the best duo boons for shield
i have zeus and aphro right now
novel wasp
Personally think Demeter + Dio is actually really nuke
novel wasp
but hunting blades
i havent got it
but everyone's praising it
thing is i despise ares
abstract fable
hunting blades is incredible
novel wasp
blade rift is so garbage
abstract fable
almost a free win if you get it
novel wasp
except the dash i will never, ever take it on cast
abstract fable
its the only reason to ever pick up blade rift cast
abstract fable
my third or fourth run ever was hunting blades vicious cycle
novel wasp
instead of just fly by them
abstract fable
had no idea how lucky i was
round raven
Doesn't stutter or anything for you? seems like the kind of game you'd need quick reactions times haha
@magic drift
abstract fable
i mean
having the blades actually try and hit the enemy
is the whole point of hunting blades
novel wasp
without hunting blades blade rift is mega garbage
and if there is one thing i dislike in game is that some skills are just absolute garbage
i want everything to be viable man
novel wasp
lol that one is more like oh jeez everything is white except this one for some reason is purple or red
thats why i picked it
round raven
Also other people in here. How much gametime does the game have in terms of hours?
novel wasp
this is a roguelike game
abstract fable
hades is a roguelite so it's about replayability conceptually
abstract fable
steam says i have 77 hours in and i still haven't done all the story
novel wasp
thing is take your time
the story is what makes this roguelike different
usually roguelike dont feature deep stories
abstract fable
there's also no real proper ending because early access but the makeshift one is definitely good enough for now
novel wasp
its memey enough for sure
cursive onyx
how much do you all think the new weapon is gonna cost
abstract fable
ah heck i forgot to save up keys for the update
novel wasp
so does the key farming
cursive onyx
yeah the curent ending is good, im hoping they keep using them for victories past the first one
novel wasp
my guess is that it wont be a lot
river socket
good thing i didnt exchange before
novel wasp
it would be like, 12, since exagraph was 8, the other was like 2 2 4 and stuff
abstract fable
i love how it goes ||is there no escape?|| instead of 'there is no escape'
novel wasp
@abstract fable ||new ending, persephone kicks your ass all the way back to hell||
abstract fable
heck yeah
novel wasp
||begone thot||
cursive onyx
more of a spoiler oops
abstract fable
ok gonna go back to playing now fellas
pray for me to get splitting bolt in elysium
novel wasp
pray for your electric gilf
magic drift
@round raven There are some time I don't play because I got a lot of games and testing it all, but the moment I tried, it worked like a charm on a GPD Win 2 (6" screen, Intel HD 615, 8GB ram). I didn't checked FPS, but high
brisk trail
I love how 'godhood' incurs no penalties, and the player can turn it off whenever they want
Wish more games would do that
brittle iris
one more day for update 
brisk trail
How do I unequip the friendship items, e.g. the myrmidon bracer?
brittle iris
does clicking it again work
floral sonnet
if not, i think you need to just switch to a different keepsake
and if myrmidon bracer is your only one... that sucks, I guess.
wet carbon
unlock all the weapons
prisma kite
All will be revealed in due time...
wet carbon
that too
pale onyx
Any firm confirmation on patch date? Looks like twitter has the 10th, but in game suggests the 11th?
harsh epoch
tomorrow is pure excitement
i think the in game has to do with some timezones
but if im not wrong technically it should be out tomorrow
they did post the announcement about "one week away" from update on tuesday
prisma kite
tomorrow at this time or so it should be out already i think
worthy dagger
Tuesday is patch day
brisk trail
Its most likely tommorow, most game's update/patch days are on tuesday, should be out at this time since 6PM BST is a pretty standard release time for most games i play, all just guesses on my end tho
worthy dagger
They also said that another launch was coming up soon so fingers crossed its a console port already
I canβt think of it being anything else honestly
modern garnet
Hades vr hype
sonic bolt
@worthy dagger Where'd you see about the 'another launch soon'?
worthy dagger
Supergiants Twitter
forest grotto
is there any use for darkness after the mirror is full? besides the really occasional store deals?
if not wouldn't it be nice if the store did something for that or maybe Spoilers for those that haven't maxed out the hearts on chaos and nyx but what if chaos decided to have that discussion with nyx as was mentioned and added his own section to the mirror
chaos is about getting good with bad right? so for every good modifier he does there is also a negative. example being increased gold from wretches but charon is more expensive or less gold urns
trail copper
as of now after you fill the mirror there is no use for darkness save a random collector sale. supergiant has said they have plans to add things to use darkness for well into lategame
acoustic jasper
Are you talking about the second phase of the fight?
brisk trail
Yep.
||I beat his first stage with 2 pts of health remaining||
||And he regenerated every bit.||
acoustic jasper
I think his second stage actually has less health, or maybe he's just easier to damage at that point. Either way, it seems he becomes a bit more of a glass cannon.
tribal zealot
might want to spoiler tag this?
tribal zealot
yes its a very good game
cinder lichen
snrk, so uh, I just thought of a little thing,
I found out that you can juggle arching projectiles like Inferno Bombs or Bothers' explosives if you have one of Athena's boons,
I wondered if that could be a secret achievement when Hades comes out of early access, lol
proper zodiac
vibrates softly when is new hades when is new hades when is new hades
brisk trail
24-ish hours, I'd guess.
cinder lichen
I'm thinking more than 24 hours if it says "2 days"
unless you live in upside down land down under
brisk trail
Yeah? What are they adding?
An ending to the game, I hope
New weapon.
Ending's not coming until later, probably 1.0.
wet reef
they confirmed a new weapon and new character artwork yeah
vague perch
And new story stuff
wet reef
yeah that comes with every update tho
vague perch
Which probably means friendship stuff
wet reef
π
vague perch
I don't really what is usually added aside from the major stuff π I just kindof watch videos or streams sometimes and don't notice new relation stuff
I'm excited to be able to buy the game for myself soon
rich yacht
just finished off the prophecy for pact of punishment, have many blood in preparation for the new weapon
rich yacht
i just did a couple runs with the annoying ones that i hadn't taken yet
civic prism
Cool
karmic cedar
Came here to give a bug report but apparently you can do that in game instead
fun stuff, Hades.
rustic imp
Probably a question that got answered a million times already, but will the update be out at 12 eastern?
karmic cedar
My favorite weapon is the spear
civic prism
I like Spears in most games but this one I gravitate more towards the bow
uncut gull
civic prism
Can't pull some sword and shield or spear and shield phalanx crap it's all "I'm gonna poke you with a stick"
brisk trail
I do best (by FAR) with the bow.
The gun & shield have pretty awful damage, the sword makes me take too much damage, and the spear just feels... icky.
Note that I'm awful at this game, so all that just bears true for me.
rich yacht
chaos shield is my favorite weapon i think
civic prism
Yea Zeus Shield is definitely the easiest to farm heat with
For me anyway
I also really enjoy the bow over the gun
remote moat
i wish demeters cast would chill
pine relic
do updates typically drop at 1 pm est?
mystic loom
yeah when's update? technically tomorrow starts in only 5 hours π
old quartz
13 minutes now
hybrid mulch
I came to ask if anyone knows when the update drops but it looks like none of you are sure.
versed shale
iirc they're in pacific time, so tomorrow rolls around in 8-ish hours
but do they normally update as the day rolls around
a lot of games update sometime in the morning but i havent paid attention to sg's upload schedule
mystic loom
progress isn't wiped with the updates is it?
remote moat
no
jade grove
4:29 PM on March 9 for Pacific Time... damn
jovial nimbus
I usually just aim for 9/10am pst time (type that into your google and it would tell you your local time)
minor flax
Does the chaos shield give +1 shields thrown at first level? Seems to be what it says, but after bull rush it's only throwing one
acoustic lantern
if you are doing it in the training room, the 2 shields usually overlap onto each other
I was confused at first too
acoustic lantern
since they have tracking, go into a run you'll see it right away
minor flax
I see my char get the red static animation, but was only seeing 1 shield go out
warm elbow
Does anyone have any idea of what the new weapon may be?
round stag
nope but im hoping its a heavy weapon (hammer/club) so we can get some new playstyles in here
warm elbow
But a mythological weapon
acoustic lantern
Hammer of the Minotaur
he might have quotes like "mooooohhh where did you get that?"
round stag
gimme a hercules aspect
acoustic lantern
we have 2 long range, 1 mid range, 1 close to mid range (shield cause of charge) and 1 kinda close range
maybe dual daggers?
warm elbow
I want a whip or a dagger
junior robin
Claw?
round stag
honestly if they gave me a waffle iron as a weapon id be content
warm elbow
Hahaha
round stag
i just wanna have a new playstle
acoustic lantern
sword aspect
which changes moveset like the guan yu one
and he has to chant "winner winner, chicken dinner"
and be super confused about it
warm elbow
omg
acoustic lantern
Imagine a late game arena mode where every Olympian we've met is a boss.... One can only dream, right?
livid cargo
@acoustic lantern update tomorrow
acoustic lantern
it says 2 days for me in the game
livid cargo
The game is a lie
acoustic lantern
thonkest thonk
livid cargo
Update is indeed tomorrow
acoustic lantern
what time is it for you?
livid cargo
I did
junior robin
twice?
livid cargo
Havent even played the steam copy yet
acoustic lantern
Epic store is so depressing
junior robin
I dot it on steam only
acoustic lantern
so I just got it again on steam when it came out
junior robin
I wont support epic
warm elbow
Is Epic Store still a thing?
acoustic lantern
Hades was the only game I bought on epic, it was when it came out and the big epic controversy wasn't that big of a deal
warm elbow
I wonder if anyone uses it apart from the free games
warm elbow
Same
acoustic lantern
I kinda regret buying it on epic, but I support Supergiant so, its not as bad
junior robin
I saw enough BL3 to know I wouldnt like BL3 even if it DID come on steam
but I digress
acoustic lantern
I got bl3 for free but the characters are so unlikable I couldn't play it
junior robin
Im happy to wait out games for steam
includign this one
so I finally got to try it
round stag
What particularly are the issues if you dont mind elaborating besides unlikable characters
im mainly playing cus my friend group all wants to get in
and i really enjoyed 2 on xbox years ago
acoustic lantern
characters feel... boring?
junior robin
from what I saw, the "watch the streamers and get free stuff" thing was super gimmicky.
acoustic lantern
class design I like in pre sequel, thats the only good thing about it
round stag
i see
jade grove
Why do so many people want more melee...
warm elbow
For me range feels so... easy
warm elbow
I was thinking about a magic book
oblique tulip
w/ cast existing
warm elbow
i dont know if there is something like that in greek mythology
livid cargo
Over in #bot-commands
jade grove
@oblique tulip How so? Cast plays wildly different from a weapon
@warm elbow We have a gun.
Anyone remember a gun in the myths? :P
versed shale
im honestly betting on a scythe
jade grove
Also, we have plenty of staff weapons in the myths at least
versed shale
since its the one demeter used, and, yknow, farming and stuff
jade grove
Or staff... Not weapons
versed shale
also cool death game
jade grove
If it controls like Thanatos and you fly, it's kind of acceptable
versed shale
ive been thinking about how than uses it
jade grove
Because that's at least not mundane normal people weapons.
versed shale
and he doesnt use it as a melee weapon
jade grove
I'm okay with it if we get a spell scythe
Given Than's animations and Demeter being the last titan slayer it probably is.
But Demeter has another outlier possibility - a torch
Which can play like either Flame Bellows or some kind of fireball wand
And either way, I like those options
jade grove
I hope Hecate is one of the aspects.
Favorite Greek god
Also a powerful, poorly known Chthonian
Eeeh
Sling is just... eh
Not stylish.
versed shale
table
warm elbow
HAHAHAHA
jade grove
Zag: I cast bonk
versed shale
zag: picks up a chair
jade grove
Zag, literally throwing a table at ||his dad||
warm elbow
It could be awesome tho
jade grove
Steel Chair aspect
Wrassling time
Meh
More normal people weapons
Also even worse range than the sword
versed shale
i dount theyd do something too esoteric
versed shale
also can u imagine demeter just beating the titans to death with her bare hands haha
a
jade grove
If you can't at least ki blast, what even is the point?
balmy goblet
all I want is more aspects like GY
versed shale
actually i.....can
brisk trail
Do we have any idea what the new weapon's gonna be tommorow?
warm elbow
Not a table either
plush dagger
not very greek either
this has been the longest week of my LIFE
I just want to know what the next weapon is π¦
livid cargo
Itll be here soon enough
livid cargo
A chakram would be cool but I feel it would clash too much with the shield
brisk trail
mmh true
sleek juniper
They can always be reworked though; it is early access after all. I would not mind if the functionality of the blitz disk went to the new weapon
versed shale
looking at past updates they normally update sometime between 8:00 am and 3:00 pm pst
warm elbow
I forgot to farm keys
brisk trail
I wish i had keys
warm elbow
I never get the keys
brisk trail
I reset my pc a little while ago and i lost my save :DDD
brisk trail
Apparantly epic doesnt save on cloud so that blowed
versed shale
the bot..was not happy huh
brisk trail
i said the f word D:
quiet lake
how many keys did it take to unlock the gun?
brisk trail
gun was 8 right?
livid cargo
Just say heck
novel wasp
Heckity heck
spice mango
vagrant hemlock
π
empty turtle
is the update tomorrow or within two days cause on the hades game it says two days so im confused?
rich yacht
it might be a case of, when it's at "1 day" that means "today"
empty turtle
ah okay
oblique tulip
@jade grove it seems redundant to make a magic weapon (provided it didn't already do something that current casts don't cover which is hard because of the way boons work) just because casts exists
jade grove
I don't understand this logic.
Just because it's called cast doesn't mean it's the same
I mean, have you seen the splitter witches?
That's a wildly different use
oblique tulip
yes; they fire projectiles. casts are (for the most part) projectiles to. if you wanted the magic weapon to have projectiles, they'd have to do something that doesn't already exist
jade grove
Also, by that logic: It seems redundant to make a melee weapon, because there are so many other long pointy things to hit people with.
oblique tulip
it would definitely be redundant
jade grove
You realize that the bow fires a projectile?
We have more beat stick weapons than projectile weapons, lmao
oblique tulip
yeah
jade grove
And melee generally amounts to, conceptually: Hit enemy with object
versed shale
iirc they already said the next one would be melee. They explained they have two ranged weapons, two mid-ranged/verse weapons and one close ranged weapon, and the next one would be close range to even it out.
jade grove
If we're being reductionistic and saying that projectiles are redundant, then okay
@versed shale Source?
This was someone's logic on Reddit
Not a supergiant post
As far as I know.
Based on their reasoning that the shield and spear "aren't really pure melee"
The only true long range weapon is actually the Bow. The rail has rather short range.
versed shale
I might be imagining that or taking it from someones comment cause i dont see it on their blog
jade grove
I mean, that makes it one of the hybrid weapons
So by that reasoning there are 3 hybrid weapons, one melee, and one long range.
Because that's the same thing as spear and shield having long and short range
Which means all bets are off, there's no pattern
All I know that Supergiant has stated outright: They wanted a floating weapon, so Zag can move while attacking.
jade grove
Since that would be far easier on the animation budget than a walk cycle while attacking
oblique tulip
Zeus aspect covers that though
versed shale
what if..hear me out.....
jade grove
They did the latter in Bastion, but I think they have reasons for it
versed shale
what if the new weapon is the friends we made along the way
jade grove
...Zeus aspect is different from a combo while mobile?
That makes no sense. Your shield combo is still the same.
Zeus is basically a deployable
Not a whole non movement locking combat style
oblique tulip
Sure but it's "moving while attacking"
jade grove
Functionally, it's a blade rift with more control
I mean, I guess, if we're just going to be pedantic back and forth in the absence of any other reasoning.
But if we're doing that, then melee is basically all the same thing. :^)
oblique tulip
Sure
versed shale
yea i dont think the zeus shield really hits that concept
jade grove
I just see a lot of nitpicking and not a whole lot of substantiation here.
Can't see how something like a spread shot projectile or a flamethrower would be more redundant than another pointy stick to hit with.
Or being able to float and attack with no interruption...
Floating Thanatos style scythe is the most likely though, if they keep to the statements they made and weren't joking about the Floaty One
oblique tulip
Well, a ranged magic weapon is for the most part, covered by casts, rail, bow, rocket spear, and chaos shield (or even shield special in general)
oblique tulip
That's unfortunately covered by rail special
jade grove
None of those really allow you to have no animation locks while attacking...
jade grove
Well, chaos shield vaguely
versed shale
ik we already have pets but
livid cargo
Honestly, my dream weapon is one with no interruption on attacks
i.e. super armor from smash
jade grove
Still, based on the restriction on animations in Hades, the one rule currently is that attacking stops you in place or moves you in some way independent of your left stick
versed shale
i think spellshaping might be interesting? like d&d warlock, you have your 1 regular cast on right click but can shape it into different effects and patterns
oblique tulip
It'd be interesting fangz except boons exist
livid cargo
id love to see a weapon aspect that transforms your casts into something completely different
versed shale
listen i just think itd be neat !
flat vapor
i think it'd be funny if the silhouette was actually charon and sgg makes us wait another update for nyx's art
jade grove
@oblique tulip So, what ideas do you have that, in your words, wouldn't simply be "redundant"?
oblique tulip
Although vague, it'd be anything that isn't currently being used as a weapon aspect, hammer upgrade, or boon augment.
versed shale
i mean
jade grove
So, almost nothing.
oblique tulip
Yeah ik rocket rail and rocket spear are redundant
versed shale
there's a lot of crossover between weapon aspects and hammer upgrades between weapons already
jade grove
No new weapon, because everything is covered.
oblique tulip
Is it though?
jade grove
I mean, you can't provide a counterexample.
Melee with low range? Sword. Melee with high range? Spear. Slow heavy attack? World Splitter.
Etc etc
livid cargo
Theres a decent chance the new weapon will combine existing aspects of current weapons
blissful monolith
I'm hoping the new weapon is a big hammer that smashes good
jade grove
Melee that's super wide? Spin
livid cargo
One idea I have is a short-range high attack speed weapon with a special that allows you to do an extra dash of sorts
jade grove
Honestly, pure melee is already the playstyle that scales poorest with heat.
Oof for Forced Overtime Sword
blissful monolith
true, the sword feels noticeably harder to play with even on low heat
jade grove
And world splitter is rip at high heats as well
livid cargo
I think world splitter is just rip all the time, honestly
jade grove
The slower it is, the deader you get while using it
livid cargo
I miss Heavy Slug real bad
jade grove
So yeah, a big chunky hammer would mostly just mean taking lots of unavoidable damage.
Super armor? Fine to an extent, but you are still getting hit
versed shale
well
jade grove
So the real question is - would it be viable, or end up being considered a joke weapon at high heat?
blissful monolith
the hammer thing is mainly based on wanting more Hephaestus representation in the game π
livid cargo
I think you could put lifesteal on a hammer weapon and it wouldnt be the most op thing
versed shale
there're some games that take hammer as being a weapon that generates a lot of momentum
jade grove
As much as maybe it could be cool, it's probably not the best option
Hades is not kind to slowness in general.
versed shale
like heavy and slow hits but you can plan where your energy's being directed ahead of time
jade grove
The pace of the game doesn't really mesh with it
livid cargo
ooooh i just thought of an interesting idea
the hammer is slow but to make up for it you can dash while winding up and it doesnt cancel the attack
blissful monolith
A scythe could be fun - it could have a Demeter and Thanatos aspect and a wide swing radius
jade grove
It also, especially on Overtime at any level or Hard Labor, punishes overcommitting to any motion and not being ready to cancel out at any moment
Which is partly why the sword struggles - its special is so easy to cancel
If you don't interrupt it, enemies will
blissful monolith
the sword special is a pain to hit
jade grove
Unless you master dash special, which requires perfect timing to not just cancel your own special
And is a bit... infuriatingly bad on kbm with 8 directions only
blissful monolith
most noticeable on the Poseidon aspect when you need to recover your casts from a quick enemy
jade grove
KBM makes Zagreus sword's buff actually a liability
It's kind of... weird
Because overshooting dash on kbm means dashing into spikes etc, on controller it means better dodging
blissful monolith
I've played it exclusively on KBM and it's been fine for me
that said, I also played Dark Souls 2 on KBM so maybe I'm just weird
livid cargo
yeah everyone has preference
blissful monolith
I still miss my Hestia shot way too much with the mouse π
jade grove
You can almost twin stick shooter the rail and it makes a world of difference.
Hmm
Hestia can use controller
Eris... keyboard
5x Bombs ftw
@blissful monolith If we get a scythe, it would probably be best as a floating, Thanatos type scythe.
blissful monolith
5x Bombs + Rocket is my dream combo that has never come up yet
livid cargo
they might be mutually exclusive
jade grove
Nope
livid cargo
oh neat
jade grove
Cluster rocket is the broken rocket shotgun combo
LOL
You know what hammer the Bow needs?
Bouncing SPECIAL
Just make every shot bounce off walls up to 3 times
blissful monolith
The shotgun hammer upgrade is so much fun
livid cargo
jimmy, how recently did you pick up the game?
blissful monolith
just before the Long Winter update
crystal plume
i think it would make sense if it's another ranged weapon tomorrow 3 ranged and 3 melee
livid cargo
there used to be a time when the shotgun hammer had an ammo penalty
jade grove
Did you know Delta Chamber makes stationary fire worse, but dash fire better
In terms of delays
livid cargo
i miss when armor damage could spill over into health damage
the days of crit nonsense
jade grove
It forces a refire delay when standing still BUT the delay can be canceled by dashing
So delta on dash allows functionally uninterrupted fire
The thing is, there's a delay when doing normal dash shots...
blissful monolith
I've been doing crit builds with the Hestia rail; that's a lot of fun when you can just delete enemies with the first shot
jade grove
Ironically the animation of Delta overrides that, lmao
Ah, the ol' RNG Railgun.
I love that one.
blissful monolith
"Are you feeling lucky, punk?"
jade grove
Flip a couple coins to see if the enemy still exists/10
Not gonna lie though: the most "unique" option for a weapon would be to straight up bring back the Flame Bellows.
livid cargo
only if Rucks personally gives them to you
blissful monolith
I don't think I ever used the Flame Bellows outside the first time you pick it up and the challenge room
Scrap Musket all the way
oblique tulip
Despite what I'd said earlier; a magic weapon would be okay if there was some aspect of randomness associated with it when you tried to use it.
jade grove
I already had a fine idea for an aspect: Aspect of Aeolus, which makes it fire gusts of wind
livid cargo
zag gets a magic wand and becomes a sailor moon girl
blissful monolith
Zag signs a Faustian pact and becomes a Madoka Magica girl instead
jade grove
Honestly, a combo of spread shots that increases the shot count by 1 the more you attack would be my way of implementing magic
While moving freely
How does the Underworld chef serve all those fish?
Well, I bet those Knuckleheads go well with Tartarus sauce.
brisk trail
does anyone know when hades updates ?
verbal parcel
came here to ask that same thing
jade grove
Soonβ’οΈ
versed shale
sometime between 8 am and 5 pm pst, based on recent updates
so, during their workday
calm laurel
E v e n t u a l l y
verbal parcel
welp, I'll keep grinding toward 16 heat
jade grove
So about 13 hours minimum unless they drop it super early?
blissful monolith
I have stocked up on keys in preparation
unless it costs more than 20 keys to unlock
warm elbow
36 keys here
verbal parcel
uh oh, I didn''t think about that
blissful monolith
I'm getting there; just got the lounge done
calm laurel
Use 1000 darkness and 50 keys to unlock Nyx's true portrait
verbal parcel
getting lounge finished was so satisfying
blissful monolith
and then I spent gems on the bone piles in the main hall which look worse than the petals I already had on the floor π¦
verbal parcel
I'm working on paintings,
blissful monolith
and replace them
verbal parcel
and columns
blissful monolith
when Charon gets his true portrait, will he finally get some dialogue?
verbal parcel
One would hope
calm laurel
I doubt it
blissful monolith
groans in Charon
nimble ocean
I think that since Charon will be the only character with a placeholder portrait.. maybe it won't be considered placeholder anymore? like.. of all others, his visual pretty much fits him as it now
maybe just.. more details
mild needle
portrait unlocks dialogue?
jade grove
I need the expensive columns.
calm laurel
Maybe
mild needle
lmfao what
calm laurel
Idk lol
jade grove
You wanna hear something cursed?
blissful monolith
idk, Charon feels like a bit of an afterthought compared to all the other characters
mild needle
i bought the hades portrait, he is still the usual sarcastic uncaring mofo of a father as ever
and you cant even see it
jade grove
Charon in the myths is an ugly, dirty, shirtless man in a loincloth.
mild needle
because of the camera angle
most expensive painting
and it is hidden because of camera angle
old tangle
why does hades sometimes talk and like a word comes on the screen when i start an attempt
flat vapor
it's a flashback to a previous thing he said to zag
mild needle
is it flashback doe
jade grove
Added feedback for that @mild needle
flat vapor
it's zag angrily remembering conversations with hades
mild needle
hades looks like guan yu actually
just google search guan yu
his face
looks like hades
also uses a fork
mild needle
im guessing there will be a aspect that let you wield a heavy and powerful weapon, but slows you down like 50%
blissful monolith
Aspect of the Absolute Unit
mild needle
could be sword aspect or the new weapon
stoic quail
update hype waiting room
signal dome
Hello, just updated my game and lost all my saves π¦
stoic quail
It depends on your time zone. It is Tuesday for me.
mild needle
well, same
stoic quail
Then it is today I thought
mild needle
it says 1 day in the game though?
stoic quail
I've not launched the game for a while. I don't know. They said in a week a week ago today though. It could be tomorrow.
mild needle
well i hope its today
but i wont get my hopes up
i just got this game like on saturday night
how often do they release an update
blissful monolith
last major update was in January
blissful monolith
the game's going to be out of early access some time this year but I don't think we know when yet
mild needle
i did some googling, its gonna be q3 or q4
oak yacht
foaming at the mouth for this new main weapon
mild needle
2020
so worst case scenario january 2021
best case is july 2020 but thats kinda far-fetched
oak yacht
tbh i'm really not that concerned with the full release bc of how good the game is as is
but it will be dope
mild needle
im a lore nerd so i hope the game have an ending
nimble ocean
there is still one more character to go.. and then.. what else do we miss..
nimble ocean
they want to make somewhat of ending in 1.0
stoic quail
A lot of the lore is taken from real world texts so I spoilered myself before the game was even made in a way π
oak yacht
haha
blissful monolith
The prince neglected to avoid, erm, stepping on a toxic strain of fungus, so rare you'd not have heard of it
oak yacht
i said this in here earlier but im excited to see if the aspect of guan yu has any greater implications to the story or if its just a cool weapon
blissful monolith
We'll have to see what the other fourth aspects are
I assume they'll all be from the future and other mythologies
mild needle
didnt last boss and the gods of olympus comment on it when zag brings it out
stoic quail
Greek mythology was so popular that the Romans stole it and based their own on it π
mild needle
thats the only implication i think
blissful monolith
can't wait for the six-shooter rail π
mild needle
same with the other aspects
blissful monolith
Aspect of Clint Eastwood
nimble ocean
there is also nordic mythologies and egyptian.. and others
oak yacht
wait i didnt even know guan yu was so far in the future
mild needle
lol
oak yacht
i just thought "ancient china"
brisk trail
220-ish CE?
mild needle
compare to ancient greek guan yu is like 3000 years ahead
oak yacht
yeah
Guan Yu (162-219) is one of the best known historical figures in ancient history. Part of the reason for this is that he appears in popular comics and movies. my dumbass
blissful monolith
I still haven't got around to unlocking the Guan Yu aspect
I've been focused more on upgrading the Hestia Rail and Poseidon Sword
oak yacht
i like it
stoic quail
theres that bot again
mild needle
its so vulnerable to stand there and charge up the spin
oak yacht
oh absolutely
stoic quail
I feel like the GY spear special is the main attack.
oak yacht
lol tbh
nimble ocean
somehow Guan Yu for me is sort of like cursed blade from Dead cells.. a weapon for someone who look for challenge
stoic quail
use it to reposition youjrself? what?
nimble ocean
i'm not that superhuman
proud orbit
noh
oak yacht
when i wake up tomorrow with a notification from this server saying the update is out >
proud orbit
rewards only go up to 32 heat
mild needle
stoic quail
There probably will be an achievement for 49/50 heat on full release
nimble ocean
after 49 heats Hades can just go ahead and give the crown to his son
stoic quail
I got bored of increasing heat 1 at a time so I jumped to 16 and then jumped to 32. I could deal with 16 but 32 kicked my arse.
brisk trail
32 is super hard.
stoic quail
Thing is once you have fully upgraded your weapon there is nothing stopping you doing the high heat except your own skill so there is no reason to do it incrementally unless you are bad like me
mild needle
the first 2 days in the game i just mashed buttons and watch everything blows up on screen
proud orbit
game isnt really balanced to be possible at max heat so im not sure
stoic quail
After adding a certain amount of heat I just don't find it fun anymore. It just gets stressful.
And yeah Athena dash is great
Unless I'm building Ares blades
nimble ocean
There was some another game, don't remember what.. there was a deflect when you dash.. so it's really convenient and useful
nimble ocean
was that Hyperlight drifter? or Furi..
jade grove
@blissful monolith The future... Aspect of space gun
brisk trail
I know there was one in HLD, but I've never played Furi.
nimble ocean
the point is.. here in Hades it fits the gameplay like it's native as well
jade grove
@stoic quail 49 shouldn't be a thing. It's more RNG than skill based at that point
mild needle
charge up a kamekameha
jade grove
Laser aspect that's just snakestone lasers
stoic quail
imma chargin muh laser
mild needle
is there a spreadsheet somewhere for health/damage number
there isnt anything on the wiki
stoic quail
eugh, that wiki is horribly organised
mild needle
i mean, im a new player
thats where i will end up first
or like everyone who wants to know more about everything
they google the wiki
stoic quail
yes, I know. I wasn't criticising you. I was criticising the wiki
Like I hate the way it does route the paths properly. Like the ares page isn't /chacters/ares it is just /ares
mild needle
so is there any other source i can look
wiki is contribution right
so
im just thankful there are something
also there are some confusion within the game
like the aphrodite calls
no where in game
or in the wiki
says deal damage
it just says charm a target for x seconds
stoic quail
it deals damage at max charge. it says on the boon
blissful monolith
I thought the damage was listed on the boon for the max charge
mild needle
it says use all 4 charge for much greater effect
it doesnt say deal damage
and it also doesnt say how much damage
stoic quail
I'm pretty sure it says it deals 2500 damage at max charge
brisk trail
I think it only says that when selecting the boon from a selection.
cerulean iris
I agree, the boon menu doesn't display the max charge effect for Calls, it's annoying if you haven't experienced a lot of them
stoic quail
right, but you can't get the boon without selecting it. sooo read it when you select it π
mild needle
it doesnt show damage
stoic quail
I'm certain that it does because I read it in game. I don't know at what point it says it or doesn't say it but it definitely says it
mild needle
hmm
ill look for it nex time i play
it frustrate the hell out of me
pretty sure i read everything though
cerulean iris
Only when you're offered it from a god. There's a flyout text on the right side
mild needle
yeah i notice those
it clarifies which effect does what
nothing on call damage though, the only one i can think of is ares, which is pretty straightforward
you can upgrade it with pom and theres damage number clearly on the boon
brisk trail
When you're offered Calls, it says what the max charge effect is.
It's not in a tool-tip, though, it's in the main boon text.
cerulean iris
Ah, that. my bad
nimble ocean
people want some kind of in-game journal with boons and their effects.
and fish journal.
badly.
blissful monolith
the only time I've felt like I need the wiki open is getting the duo boons I'm missing
Only one left now
stoic quail
I just play what is in front of me. I don't need a guide to tell me what to pick.
blissful monolith
yeah, I just let the dice fall where they may for the most part
blissful monolith
I have more fun doing that than trying to force a build
cerulean iris
I've seen a few on Steam...?
mild needle
can you aim the artemis call
stoic quail
I think it just hits the nearest enemies
mild needle
pretty sure i wasted some max call on goons instead of bosses before, and uhh, paid the price
that feeling when you brought last boss to 2% hp and died because your call is wasted
it burns
i like this game animation and aesthetic in general
i always try to max call and finish boss
gives it a 'special finishing move" feel
blissful monolith
Olympians assemble
nimble ocean
especially spectacular with Artemis one
blissful monolith
Artemis' call is so much better than the others in terms of flashiness
vagrant token
does anyone know when the next big content patch is coming out? it says 2 days in game but the announcements said a week away last tuesday
mild needle
1 day
nimble ocean
Soonβ’οΈ
cerulean iris
Demeter's legendary βοΈ
stoic quail
Saying a week away in announcement doesn't necessarily mean a week to the day to be fair
mild needle
i got cucked by the threshold several time though
like i max call just before last boss enters final phase
he took 0 damage
feels good
stoic quail
yeahhhh... those invulnerable phases ruin calls if you don't know when they are. That got me a few times before I learned
mild needle
its to prevent ppl from one shotting bosses i guess
stoic quail
Invulnerable phases are one of my pet hates in game design
mild needle
i actually will pay another 10$ if they add the option to remove that (player choice)
stoic quail
I wouldn't pay that out of principle. That is a dangerous route towards mobile gaming monetization model.
jade grove
I suggested something to make it more palatable just now
mild needle
the future is now old man
jade grove
Clearly defined threshold segments.
idle marlin
Will I receive future updates for free if I buy Hades now?
blissful monolith
$5 for an extra Death Defiance use!
idle marlin
Yes!
stoic quail
Clearly defined segments would help. I'll upvote that
blissful monolith
Hades 2: Zeus Boogaloo
stoic quail
arrrrgh this stupid bot
blissful monolith
What activated the bot?
stoic quail
I don't know how to talk without swearing. Thats what activated it
idle marlin
so Hades is about the son of uh...
mild needle
xD
idle marlin
...
blissful monolith
watch yo profamity
celest sapphire
hi guys, I don't have hades yet but im wondering how the progression style compares to heroes of hammerwatch? Not sure if anyone has played that game, but it has my favorite progression in any roguelite ever and im looking for something to scratch that same itch
idle marlin
Yes, obviously it's the son of Zeus.
jade grove
4Head
mild needle
hades is the son of cronus
remote moat
@stoic quail just censor like son of a aphrodite
stoic quail
I honestly hate this kind of moderation of language. Swearing isn't a bad thing.
mild needle
ass bot
blissful monolith
What's the progression like in Heroes of Hammerwatch? Could you give some examples?
celest sapphire
you can basically infinitely scale your character, but you can also infinitely scale the difficulty
idle marlin
Of course, this game is about the son of hades.
blissful monolith
no hecking swearing in this Christian server π
Hades doesn't have infinite scaling for your character, but there are a lot of ways to scale the difficulty
mild needle
kcuf oyu bot
stoic quail
I was just trying to say how I make a point of supporting good developers but not shippy devs
mild needle
celest sapphire
in HoH you start off being pretty terrible, but you collect gold, earn xp, and gather other resources and unlockables to power up your char in-between runs. Does hades do a similar thing?
mild needle
yes
celest sapphire
sweet, might pick it up soon then
blissful monolith
not infinite, but there is a lot of meta-progression, yes
mild needle
when you play through like 4-5 runs you should be able to feel like a god yourself
stoic quail
There is quite a lot of meta progression in Hades
jade grove
but this does have persistent progression.
stoic quail
gems, darkness, keys, ambrosia are the basic meta progression currencies. Collect them and spend them in the hall
celest sapphire
i guess i like to compare it to something like risk of rain, in ror every run is the same power level to start off with no matter how long you've played, but in HoH it's almost like a meta rpg in terms of how much you can progress in-between runs
so it's unlikely you'll get very far in your first run of hoh, gotta get that grind
remote moat
you can more compare it to rogue legacy
stoic quail
(unless you save up a load of lunar coins in which case you can have a stupid powerful run in RoR2)
mild needle
@celest sapphire yep, you gotta get that grind
nimble ocean
well.. since the limit is in the unreachable for most people area of difficultiness, it's safe to say that the progress is infinite
celest sapphire
awesome, me likey grind
livid cargo
You can theoretically beat Hades on the first run
mild needle
you can upgrade your power and moves between runs
stoic quail
I hate rogue legacy. Like really hate it.
livid cargo
But its extremely difficult
remote moat
xDD
celest sapphire
yeah it's the same thing in hoh max, but realistically nobody is going to because it's so hard
jade grove
Not a fan of the sidescrolling type?
blissful monolith
Rogue Legacy's progression system turned me off so much that I refunded it
seemed like it was impossible to get anywhere without grinding
unborn beacon
ive just been playing rogue and nethack
stoic quail
No I like the sidescrolling type, I just didn't like specifically that game. It is a lot of small things I didn't like. It felt like a big in joke by the devs for the devs. A lot of winks to themselves and a lot of game design decisions I just didn't like
unborn beacon
im supprised as to how much better they are than modern roguelikes
nimble ocean
sidescrollers and time limited missions are evil
mild needle
i think you can clear this game on the 1st run for seasoned players
blissful monolith
I think Enter the Gungeon has one of the better meta-progression systems in that you don't actually need it to beat the game; you can win on your first try if you know what you're doing
unborn beacon
devs shouls go play rogue and nethack and realise they are doing it all wrong
remote moat
i like hades most out of all the roguelikes i played
mild needle
i found out about hades because i streamer i watch play it
great game
livid cargo
I dont know if hades is the best roguelike ive ever played, but its definitely the most polished
stoic quail
Dead Cells is still the king for me
blissful monolith
Hades certainly has the best handling of story I've seen in a roguelike
stoic quail
Into The Breach as well for a slightly different angle
nimble ocean
unique story progression really made Hades probably the most enjoyable roguelik(t)es to play
stoic quail
and Crying suns
livid cargo
I feel dead cells punishes bad players too much
nimble ocean
most roguelikes do
blissful monolith
other roguelikes I really enjoy are Slay the Spire and Enter the Gungeon
stoic quail
punishing bad players is good πΉ gitgud scrub
idle marlin
The only two other rogue-like I have played are supergiant games.
proud orbit
dead cells difficulty from your first clear to the first boss cell one is a vertical slope
i dont like that
blissful monolith
Hades is the only roguelike Supergiant have made though
brisk trail
That's not incorrect, Kossetsu.
nimble ocean
"You made a mistake? Start all over, and don't bother crying. We'll se how you will screw it up this time."
jade grove
yeah no, I hate that kind of extreme "git gud" thing
stoic quail
Roguelike has become such a vague term it is almost meaningless now.
remote moat
i also enjoyed ftl alot
jade grove
I only kept Dead Cells because I like the basic feel of combat
nimble ocean
in Hades you actually somehow want to lose sometimes
blissful monolith
"git gud" is a pretty toxic meme tbh
livid cargo
Hades allows me to mess around with builds and still have fun
jade grove
@blissful monolith you're not wrong
livid cargo
Even if its the most suboptimal garbage build
idle marlin
What exactly is roguelike?
stoic quail
I don't think there is anything wrong with having a game that is punishing to new players. Not all games are for everyone. If you aren't good enough to play it then theres plenty of other games that will cater to your tastes
jade grove
Meh. I find that that leads to some intensely anti-accessibility mindsets in gaming.
blissful monolith
I think difficult games tend to foster elitism in their community - just look at the origins of "git gud" in Dark Souls
idle marlin
Oh boy, dark souls.
blissful monolith
there's the attitude that your opinion isn't valid because you can't beat a certain challenge
idle marlin
aka learn to roll or die
jade grove
and yes, a lot of elitism
mild needle
the mirror/deco/friendship system and the story makes hades stand out for sure
its not just reset everything to 0
jade grove
CrossCode and Celeste have the best approaches to accessibility vs challenge I've seen in any game.
mild needle
you actually feel progress is being made
nimble ocean
well.. dark souls singleplayer is okay.. when your only enemy is yourself
stoic quail
well... they are right though. What else can you do? You have to get better at the game to beat it
nimble ocean
pvp is just another game
idle marlin
so the friendship and stuff remains after you reset the game?
stoic quail
I hate pvp dark souls
blissful monolith
Game Maker's Toolkit has a great video on accessibility in games
jade grove
I hate PVP, period
nimble ocean
sometimes you cant be better then another people
jade grove
@stoic quail Or, the devs can include accessibility options...
remote moat
darksouls 2 pvp was so fun
nimble ocean
sometimes you don't want to
jade grove
I mean, that's also a design choice.
idle marlin
PVP is a pretty sensitive spot for a lot of video games, and it can die very quickly if not done well.
Take wf's conclave for example
jade grove
tl;dr just read the interviews with the Celeste developer
nimble ocean
some people enjoy feeling better than others.. some not
jade grove
@idle marlin oof conclave
blissful monolith
I've never used the accessibility options in Celeste but I appreciate them being there for those who need them
idle marlin
Conclave just doesn't exist at this point, except for a few players who worship it.
stoic quail
Don't get confused between accessibility in terms of difficulty and actual accessibility which is aimed for people who need it such as colourblind. There is nothing wrong with having a game being inaccessible because it is too difficult. The problem is when it is inaccessible due to a disability.
jade grove
I just have no interest in competition.
jade grove
I mean, muscular disorders and the like are also disabilities Β―_(γ)_/Β―
And they can actually make games unplayable in some cases
nimble ocean
problem is there are not so many really good singleplayer games
jade grove
Which is what the Celeste assist mode options are all about.
idle marlin
no good single player games?
blissful monolith
idle marlin
coughs in uh... Metal Gear Solid V
jade grove
But I think "this game is not for you" is simply not an attitude I consider acceptable, just on a personal level
It reeks of gatekeeping.
cerulean iris
I feel like this is straying from #h1-discussion π
idle marlin
Ok yeah, we are straying.
blissful monolith
We can always move it to off topic
idle marlin
Ok, I got a question about Hades. What do I need to know if I don't want to get frustrated easily in the game?
unborn beacon
i thought pvp dark souls was hilarious
stoic quail
killing enemies is good and getting hit is bad
unborn beacon
save for the backstabs
proud orbit
know that every death is progression
nimble ocean
losing is not a bad thing
idle marlin
wait, what-
floral sluice
don't expect to get to the end on the first run
blissful monolith
Save your keys for weapons until you've got them all unlocked
unborn beacon
id go to sens fortress on a twink and use the force spell to kill people
nimble ocean
by dying you learn something new every time
proud orbit
every run you get more darkness, keys, gems, etc. which will make your next runs easier