Is that Hephaestus?
#h1-discussion
brisk trail
deep pivot
Vulcan is Roman. Hephaestus is his greek equivalent
weak canyon
cause all the guy who made dante into the inferno did was make a fanfiction of how he went to hell to see his girlfriend,got to hangout with his favorite bro, meet all of hell while still alive, and somehow go into space and meet jesus
yeah catholic
it was catholic, cause it made insults to a bunch of dirty pope's, and alexander the not so great
stoic quail
Well, it's called the divine comedy for a reason
weak canyon
true
well they guan yu's name drop, so i'm expecting at least a interaction with the spear of one of japans gods of war
stoic quail
You mean Chinese?
solar heart
Are there prerequisites to getting a legendary boon?
brisk trail
Yes, different for every Olympian.
crystal plume
How does everyone feel about Aphrodite's call?
I've literally only used it once when I was just starting
deep pivot
Itโs my favorite but Iโm biased ๐
brisk trail
It's usable to lock dangerous enemies down, and maxed it's the strongest single hit in the game by a biiiiiig margin.
deep pivot
She also breaks their hearts ๐
brisk trail
No, wait, second now.
deep pivot
Which one is the 1st?
flat vapor
i'm assuming than's companion
deep pivot
Morty ๐ค
stoic quail
I feel like improving the kitchen should give improvement to chef rewards. It isn't necessary but extra incentive to do the upgrades? I dunno, just had this thought.
sharp parcel
put it in #hades-feedback
stoic quail
Doesn't really feel like feedback. I'll wait for suggestions to open up again. I've read the feedback channel and there's already too much in there that are suggestions rather than feedback
mystic hull
how do I see which weapons I have defeated Megara with?
stoic quail
Until you beat the final boss you just have to remember I think
jade grove
@stoic quail I mean, that is part of feedback. Suggestions are for things THEY ask for.
Suggestions is "we're looking for ideas for a specific thing, e.g., hammers for this weapon or boons for that god". Feedback is everything from "please add this thing to an existing interaction" to "OP pls nerf".
modern crag
Uggghh
Almost beat the game in under 3 hours total on the file with only 5 attempts made
Got to the last quarter of health bar and got ganked for a ton of damage
Due to it being early game only had one death defy
But it would have felt so good to have actually done it. Now I'm just disappointed in myself for losing when I had good boons and the rest of the run went so well. Part of the reason I lost was I got stuck and couldn't move.
untold basin
Just beat 32 heat hell mode with bow! Was a close one. Only gun and sword left now 
sharp parcel
why would he need to film it?
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TZJbT1sQyA||
coral axle
i think that was when GY spear was still broken and you could heal off anything
like breakables
untold basin
@nocturne rampart Yep, all three runs were streamed. Two are reuploaded now, Bow tomorrow. I'd have to double check pacts. Do you want me to check bow and let you know or? I usez Zag bow
@sharp parcel I didn't say I did it first or anything, lol. But not going to quit my job because someone else also beat above 32 with spear.
nocturne rampart
I will look the videos! What's your channel?
untold basin
SO far mine have been Chaos SHield, Guan Yu (not a sping build), and Zag Bow using dash power shot
jade grove
Zag bow? Of all things? Holy crap.
nocturne rampart
Zag bow so underrated
untold basin
@nocturne rampart It isn't rendered to YT yet but I can link you the stream with that runs start point if you want. Or I can drop it in self promo channel
Yeah, it wasn't even that strong of a build honestly. I've had zag bow builds with much more dps. It doesn't seem like it needs much to get strong
Good hammers, basically
untold basin
I think zag bow is most consistent and leeds less boons to do well. Hera bow can get stupid high damage. Chiron is still most fun for me though 
proud orbit
Zag bow is just like flat better than a normal bow
And the other two are situationally better
I think chiron is the most fun too yeh
untold basin
@nocturne rampart Here's the link, bow will be up tomorrow but I can post the timestamp to the stream one if you want. https://www.youtube.com/adamvseverything
nocturne rampart
Thank u!
nocturne rampart
I sub to the channel to find it again, you can remove if u want
jade grove
Is the 10% crit really worthwhile over having something like the single target potential of Chiron though
untold basin
Here is the screenshot from the vod if you want to check the pacts at the top etc @nocturne rampart https://i.imgur.com/hTQViZx.jpg
jade grove
I feel like it could be 15% and not be OP
Was it that at some point or was it just shield DR
That said, I just don't have the aspect yet so I don't know if 10% feels like enough without stacking Artemis on top.
untold basin
@jade grove Well, the 10% stacks with other sources as well so it is easier to activate hunter's mark etc (though I didn't have those that run). I think, basically, if you are going an attack move build the other two aspects do nothing for it. SO even if the 10% is minor, it's still better than the nothing to attack from other two aspects
It's the base aspect. Do you mean you don't have it leveled?
jade grove
Yup
untold basin
Gotcha
untold basin
I was actually trying to get Art for that run but got very little of her. Was really surprised when I ended up geting to styx
nocturne rampart
Looks super hard aha
untold basin
Dash strike into power shot is just crazy strong (as long as you can get the timing)
jade grove
Mmmm. Really? I thought it nerfed the damage significantly
That said. I'm awful at timing, so I feel like power shot builds will never be reliable for me
Any recommendations for hammers on each of the aspects?
untold basin
I think I had perfect shot for the +100% on precise on perfect releases + chain shot and then Heroic Hunter Dash and a +80ish % dash strike from chaos
Rest was just random mess
@jade grove For bow specifically or which weapon?
jade grove
Bow aspects
I have a solid enough idea for most of them other than sword and bow
Although is the power shot worthwhile on bull rushes?
untold basin
I've never tried power shot bullrush other that fulfilling prophecies. Just seems like the shield doesn't really need it. Might be worth testing out sometime though
For Zag bow I took Perfect Shot (+100% on perfect timing release) and Chain Shot. I think perfect shot is great if you can get the timing down, especially if pairing it with dash shot. Dash, perfect shot, repeat. Chain shot I feel is awesome because it increases damage to other targets further and can be especially handy in clearing damage control shields etc.
Other things I tried on zag were explosive shot, which I felt charged too slowly to reliably get full damage and still remain safe
And I also had a really strong run at a little lower heat (16 or so) with Flurry+Twin shot. I had Poseidon on attack with knockback and zeus's duo boon. Was pinning things to wall an knockback was interupting most hazards
Was a really fun build
Triple shot's pattern is a little too wide to be super good. Relentless volly (+4 special) only seems good with Chiron
jade grove
I'm pretty bad at the timing is the main thing - perfect shot might just lower my output.
Was Explosive Shot nerfed to make it slower?
untold basin
If you can get better at that then it is definitely a strong build. I probably had 90%+ of my attacks on the perfect charge. I play on a controller which I've found helps with movement and timing but henders aim
jade grove
Part of it is that the camera has this weird pan/zoom while charging if you're distant
So I always get thrown off. On controller specifically
untold basin
Not sure if it was made slower than it once was or not, but it is definitely noticeable and gets me out of the rhythm of the charge shots
I can see that. I think I've done it so much that it is just muscle memory timing more than anything now
jade grove
B+ grade average rhythm game player here
untold basin
Probably why explosive shot screws me up so much
jade grove
How many runs total?
untold basin
55ish on a normal save file and 75ish on a hell play file. All within the last 3.5 weeks
If you haven't tried Flurry with the Uncles yet definitely try to get it going some time. Was a really fun run and one of my fastest Hades kills
And no worrying about perfect shots
untold basin
I did it with zag but it is probably fine with any
Chiron with the uncles would be similar. Each special hit does strike lightning (instead of just one bolt)
jade grove
People have been saying it's one hit, and fewer than 7 with Sea Storm.
untold basin
So Chiron with Poseidon special, Duo with Zeus and joly would do well too most likely. Then if you can get rupture on auto attack you'd be pushing out some crazy numbers too I am sure
jade grove
At least while marked
When people say auto attack, they mean specifically with Flurry type hammers that disable charges?
untold basin
I did a zeus run earlier with chiron and it seemed to be striking more than once per button press (unlike artemis arrow), but I didn't count them
Not sure, I usually call attack auto-attack out of habit from other games though
jade grove
Someone said it's once with just Zeus special and more with Sea Storm
untold basin
I'll have to check the vod or try it again. I can't remember if I had sea storm on that one or not
jade grove
I'm gonna download the Codex spawn mod and beat on Skelly with that
untold basin
I didn't even realize there were already mods
jade grove
Or Give Up an attempt
untold basin
Let me know what you find out
As far as other bow aspects. Chiron I always aim for +4 special and then generally flurry shot (just so I can get mark on things faster between the special volleys). I really hated charged volley with chiron. The amount of charge time impacts the distance they will travel on lockon
And Hera isn't very hammer dependent at all. Just cast boon dependent. Usually just try for flurry so I can send out the loaded casts faster
fleet fulcrum
hey guys, how can i complete The Fated Saint of War. It's written that The Eternal Spear shall someday rise from the Underworld in a form it shall assume again in the hands of a peerless warrior, whose tale is yet to be spun. But I've already made some successful passes
untold basin
@jade grove Chaos Shield is explosive return (this might even be too strong currently) and Dread Flight. If either of those is not offered but faster bull charge is I will take that in order to allow myself to get more chaos throws off faster.
I know some people like Charged shot but I didn't care for the playstyle with the shield.
jade grove
Huh, really? What's so special about explosive with chaos
untold basin
Just clears AOE rooms faster. Applies your statuses around the room and such as well
jade grove
Also Dread Flight reportedly doesn't proc with the chaos throw
I personally like the charged shot style a lot
untold basin
Seems weird if not, as it is only not available to Zeus shield. If it doesn't then it would seem to be a bug
I hated World Smasher lol
I took it once at Elysium just to try it and almost lost due to it
Pulverizing blow + Dashing Wallop is a fun one as well and is quite strong. I especially like it on base shield with Athena dash
jade grove
Same, I hate world smasher
But dread applies to the normal throw only on chaos
What's pulverizing again
untold basin
Your Attack hits twice, but does not knock foes away.
And then - Your Dash Attack deals +50% damage in a larger area.
jade grove
World Smasher would be perfectly fine if it were capable of block hold.
That's the main thing
untold basin
Was basically just Dash attack, attack, dash attack, repeat
Yeah, that's what threw me with World Smasher as well
As far as the rail, I think it has a ton of just really fun hammers. Even if they aren't always good ๐
I do like flurry fire with on-hit builds though (Like Zeus)
Flurry+Piercing with Zeus is a lot of fun
jade grove
Rail... I'm a fan of cluster anything.
peak cosmos
hello, is there any specific place for random little suggestions? (i saw the channel, but it is locked at the moment)
jade grove
Feedback
Suggestions is the channel for "we asked for ideas for specific content"
Feedback is for "I like this bit of the game, do more of that", "I dislike this bit of the game, do less of that", "This thing could be improved this way", "I want to see something like this in the future", whatever isn't specifically on the guided track of "SGG needs THESE specific ideas now"
peak cosmos
thank you ๐
seems like i lack the permissions needed to write in feedback as well... ๐ฆ
quasi walrus
You can go to the channel #bot-commands to get the rank Early Access, which will let you send messages there :P
paper trellis
hi guys ^^
edgy pecan
quasi walrus
Oh aye
Does anyone else get a bit too amused with making Zag slide across the floor by attacking repeatedly with the shield or is that just me lol
alpine stratus
he'll never know the joy of socks on tiles so this is the closest he can get
crisp flint
is there any sort of way to tell what floor i'm on other than keeping track manually? either something in game or a third party app or something? knowing when a chaos curse is going to clear would be awesome
sharp parcel
and it says on the curse how many rooms it'll last for, same with consumable items
jade grove
on controller, it's the back button
crisp flint
yeah i knew that one, i just never saw that it actually told you what chamber you're in. i thought i had looked everywhere. yeesh
brave spade
How do you guys play with Shield of Chaos? I feel like playing with dash-strike is super random and I dont know if normal attack is better
Is range viable?
jade grove
Hm? I mean, the chaos special is the core of the weapon and one of the most potent attacks in the entire game
you live by the shield spam and die by the random bastard who attacks you from behind
crisp flint
how upgraded is your chaos shield? it doesn't feel really good until you get at least +3 shields thrown
deep pivot
You use your Dash when you need to reposition, while enemies are spawning, or to block>attack
plush dagger
guys Shield of Chaos =/= Chaos aspect
Shield of Chaos is the name of the weapon lol
crisp flint
oh you're right my bad
brave spade
So I play ranged for the most part?
crisp flint
i mean i usually dash strike around like an idiot with it and try to get poseidon for knockbacks but other people say poseidon is terrible so i might just be bad
deep pivot
Bruh
I also try to get Poseidon boons with shield. Itโs just too much fun to pass a pinball run ๐
coral axle
shield is literally the easiest weapon to use
deep pivot
@brave spade depends on how you want to play. Most like to play it ranged or a mix of ranged -melee
coral axle
wait, people play shield of chaos as ranged?
deep pivot
If you want to play it safe, get a good special on it like Ares and just spam special and block when needed
Thatโs the 1st approach with the shield. You see it bounce and have nice homing and range ๐
jade grove
Yeah?
deep pivot
Until you get used to it then play it your way
jade grove
Shield of Chaos is a throwing weapon with bullrushes to prime it.
And proc PrivStat
and smash armor and all
Oh wait
Shield of Chaos, not aspect
Well
Without the Aspects, it's a melee weapon, sure
get a special that can proc something nice, bull rush or dash attack, whichever floats your oyster
deep pivot
Yeah, generally speaking + shieldโs 1st impressions
jade grove
if you get Dread Flight, however, it's a perfectly fine way to build ranged
it's no Aspect of Chaos, but it'll do work
proc the entire room with nasty things
a little slower, but you'll still get something rolling
Dread Flight Doom sounds like a good time.
Dash Strike is a very good path for base shield as well
get the double strike attack hammer and dashing wallop, apparently
then you can just dash attack enemies and turtle behind the bullrush as needed.
quasi walrus
Anyone know if it's ever possible to fish in the water at the end boss fight after it's over? I think that'd be really neat lol
jade grove
not yet
full fern
anyone know if we are gonna get more olympians? we seems to be getting the final infernal arms (weapon) in the next major patch, but what about more olympians? there is still hera, apollo, hephaestus and hestia (the 12 / 13 olympians)
@quasi walrus well i think probably not yet but i posted my feedback regarding that in the feedback channel though. i think so far it got 55 upvotes and err 2 downvotes so i think many people would want to have a chance to catch some fish up there before zag goes back home again. edit: actually i think just one downvote since the other one is styxbot (default downvote)
quasi walrus
Oh, awesome! Be nice to be able to have a calm fish after an intense fight lol
Another thing that would be cool is fishing in Chaos very rarely for maybe rare Chaos fishies... Seems less viable to become a thing, though, idk
jade grove
@quasi walrus It exists. It's very rare and very awesome.
Chaos fish give the best loot in the game and are about as rare as legendary boons in my experience.
quasi walrus
Oh, really? That's great, didn't know about that
candid pine
@quasi walrus Fishing in Chaos give Diamonds and Titan Blood from what I've heard.
brave spade
Ok another noob question. What does rarity on boons do? Like what happens when I upgrade them to rare, epic etc?
candid pine
Better stats
brave spade
Oh I didnt notice a stat upgrade my bad then thx
vocal thorn
I still feel like using meta currency, in disposable "only for one game" ways, sounds very micro-transaction game-like. Like, it's literally what games like Candy Crush does to make money.
jade grove
@vocal thorn what? Where did that even come up?
deep pivot
It has been brought up in #hades-feedback
vocal thorn
yeah
vocal thorn
can we link discord entries?
knotty epoch
only on the website iirc?
vocal thorn
"for gameplay balance purpose, players probably have to max affection with charon via nectar and ambrosia, and each ferry trip probably need nectar / ambrosia / diamond etc"
is part of the text.
you can copy/paste that into the discord search box
jade grove
Oh
Saw that
I think it would be fine for nectar
Cost is disproportionate for per heat currency, and the idea is solid with nectar
But either way, it has nothing to do with MTX abominations
vocal thorn
nectar can be traded for other meta-currencies
jade grove
Which is fine.
Nectar for non romance characters is currently mostly useless
Unless you wanna meme with bouldy
knotty epoch
hey bouldy's not just a meme
vocal thorn
it literally promotes people modding the game. It's another "you literally do better by grinding resources, and we're devaluing your skill level"
knotty epoch
he gives you stat bonuses
deep pivot
Personally, I think that each run should be played with the same start with no advantages. Thatโs kind of the spirit of building your way up
unborn spoke
nu
jade grove
@vocal thorn There's nothing wrong with modding.
Or people playing however the Hades they like.
It's single player. Whose business is it? Not ours. Not yours.
vocal thorn
Unrelated, I want to see a video of 32 heat Hera bow. I just don't get it right now. I'm spending so much time picking up my cast crystals, and repositioning myself so I don't glitch the crystals out of bounds, that I'm not sure how I'm supposed to meet a deadline like this
jade grove
Personally, it's a complete and total waste of time judging how others make use of - or don't make use of - anything.
God mode exists. Hell mode exists.
If you want to play on god mode from try one, more power
deep pivot
Maybe position yourself so enemies stay in a place ideally for sniping?
vocal thorn
I modded myself extra darkness, because "just play the game for another 100 hours to be on equal footing with some other people" was too much
the issue is all the time I'm spending repositioning and picking up crystals, is time ticking down from the deadline
jade grove
@deep pivot Personally I'm a fan of progressive upgrades over starting from 0
Why I hate Budget Cuts as it is now
deep pivot
Could you give me the link to the video? @vocal thorn
vocal thorn
I still like the original roguelikes; nethack is still in active development
vocal thorn
erm, I'll see if I can make a video. I'm not sure if anyone has posted one yet
jade grove
There's a place for both
quasi walrus
^
jade grove
And honestly I do kind of want endless mode and arena mode to both exist in this game
That original suggestion was a bit of a clunky concept for it, but
deep pivot
Do it if noone has already ๐
jade grove
Inverted mode where your goal is to go deeper into hell would be perfectly fine and fun
And a way to farm stuff is fine as well
deep pivot
โLetโs go find the remnants of the Titans!โ ๐
jade grove
I suggested arena. Really make Poseidon king of something.
deep pivot
One reason Zag would be eternally wandering the Underworld
jade grove
He would be top tier in pure horde
No question, wall slams are incredible for actually clearing adds
deep pivot
Many people upvoted that ๐ฎ
jade grove
So more than the story mode with fresh priorities would be a+ for post 1.0 even
Lemme add a new one for "endless adventure"
deep pivot
Itโd also serve for stress relief lol
jade grove
Where it's the randomized stuff and some bossish encounters as far as you can go
deep pivot
Getting random boons in an arena-like mode sounds funny. Kinda like that daily challenge from Slay the Spire
Try to make do with whatever we give you 
vocal thorn
Crystals can also get stuck far into a wall. And if something is hovering over lava, the crystals can randomly decide to fly into deep lava
vocal thorn
and even if the crystals don't glitch, one miscalculated cast-crystal attack with the bow on EX-Hydra, and all your crystals can fly into deep lava. And if you have max +trap damage, then just forget it, you screwed up the whole boss fight. It's the only weapon aspect in the game where one incorrectly aimed attack can literally botch an entire boss fight
quasi walrus
Could never do that I am too stupid to stay away from traps lmao
vocal thorn
oh, I forgot about that change. I don't think I've toggled that punishment since the update, and it's always at max
jade grove
Was it incremental before?
It should be reverted to that if it was, imo
Zero to 400 for only 1 heat is ridiculous.
Going from 0 to instagibs from Styx onward...
Hell, Elysium might have hard oneshots there
deep pivot
Many people are voicing that something should be done with regards to out-of-bounds bloodstones
vocal thorn
hera is also harder to get a 32 heat pact of punishment with, because I feel like I shouldn't ever no choice with it, because it's cast-based, and cast damage scales soooo high with levels (way more scaling than increasing attack/special levels), that if no-choice whacks me out of upgrading my cast levels, that my damage will super suffer
in contrast to weapon aspects based on attack or special, where levels don't matter as much, and really start to drop off after like level 2 or 3
deep pivot
I suppose the same could be said about Poseidon Aspect since it boosts casting?
long sluice
how do i backup the game save in the epic store? I need to format my computer
marsh jackal
Is it me or is demeter the weakest of the gods?
coral axle
demeter is pretty damn strong lol
marsh jackal
Can you explain why you think sheโs strong?
hexed smelt
@long sluice the game saves to Documents/Saved Games/Hades, just copy the files in there to wherever you're backing up to
long sluice
ty
coral axle
- fire and forget debuff that lasts 8s for easy privileged status
- decently easy to build legendary that synergies well (basically making all mobs have 90% hp, including bosses)
- arctic blast has some combos with multiple hitting attacks (10 chill stacks = shatter)
- sometimes you can just put the chill effect on cast and it's enough to proc privileged status
- pretty much all her duos are good
- ravenous will is literally a free damage boost/damage resistance after you use all bloodstones
- rare crop early/mid-game is essentially a free heroic
- all of her duos are good yes, but ice wine is pretty much one of the best casts in the game
@marsh jackal
opal mason
Hey, I'm new to the server and still pretty new to the game, but I had a question and I hope this is the right place to ask it. I just unlocked aspects for the weapons, but I really don't know what's good and what to avoid. Any tips would be great.
unborn spoke
after using it twice i agree with the ice wine
100%
i nearly won both my bow and rail run with it
coral axle
ice wine is instant cast massive aoe damage
vocal thorn
Most new people find the chaos shield to be the easiest to use, and it's still somewhat decent even if you don't have enough titan blood to boost it to max level
opal mason
That's the multi shield after bull rush, right?
vocal thorn
yes
opal mason
Thanks!
vocal thorn
and being able to block with the shield allows you to observe how the enemies move and attack, without needing to worry about didging everything perfectly
finite jacinth
marsh jackal
I really enjoy having the free crit on bow and lookinโ for artemis on attack or a strong % boost
vocal thorn
so shields in general are the best if you are still learning enemy attack patterns
knotty epoch
literally any special boon will work well
coral axle
from what i know the "meta" shield special is dio
unborn spoke
Doom special on the shield is basically imo captain america mode
jade grove
@opal mason Personally, out of the cheap options: Zagreus Rail is dead last priority. I don't like Zagreus Shield either, it's not very interesting. Zagreus Bow isn't very exciting but is apparently reliable and can win runs quite nicely. Zagreus Sword is mostly only good for a summon and for meming around without being too serious. Zagreus Spear, on the other hand, is far and away the best Zagreus Aspect - it can pull almost as much weight as the more popular Aspect of Guan Yu when built properly into special throwing, using the right hammers.
Like Explosive Skewer (? I forget the exact name) for specials - that's practically a run winner with appropriate boons - with Artemis crits, Aphrodite for raw damage, Demeter also for raw damage (the latter two have excellent statuses too). Chaos for special damage and you start seeing crazy numbers.
coral axle
@opal mason don't bother with any of the basic zag aspects imo
what you really need is maxed chiron bow for bow, maxed chaos aspect shield
jade grove
Nah, bow and spear zags absolutely have their place
zag spear is just nuts when built right
jade grove
If you enjoy the Adamant Rail, Eris is currently the most versatile, with a scaling buff that applies multiplicatively (very rare effect) to almost all damage sources in the game.
coral axle
never saw the point in zag spear when you can just amplify attack + special with hades
150% bonus damage is no joke
jade grove
Hestia is for sniper style play. The highest single shot damage in the game that isn't on the cast slot, afaik.
"just" pay 11 more blood c:
Zag spear can get you off the ground for minimal investment.
Chiron needs all 15 or you're playing on masochist mode
opal mason
Wow, thanks! I never expected so much information. I definitely like to play back and safe
jade grove
Oh. Then... Eris is a bit risky. Hestia's quite safe but requires at least rank 3 to start coming into its power, 5 ideal
If you want to be safest, then... Shield of Chaos
is a straight buff at all ranks, only gets better from there, becomes the most popular/meta weapon
unborn spoke
ya
jade grove
unusually for meta builds, it's also quite fun
unborn spoke
Im getting better with Gaun Yu as of late
jade grove
that's not a common occurrence in most videogames, but here, somehow, the meta weapons are all quite entertaining to play
Chaos, Guan Yu...
fading forge
and if you really hate the shieldbearers in elysium, then use shield of zeus
jade grove
Guan is high risk high reward. It's not a safety option.
unborn spoke
i hope the new weapon is dual pistos โค๏ธ
jade grove
Zeus I hear has its devotees, yes
unborn spoke
*pistols.
jade grove
hah, were you some kinda Dueling Pistols main?
unborn spoke
in DC online and other games yes
jade grove
Never liked them that much in Bastion but they had diehards
coral axle
pretty sure bull rush goes through shieldbearers
jade grove
nah I mean Bastion ones
coral axle
you don't need zeus aspect
unborn spoke
im a new school one lol
jade grove
Loved this company since the early days of Bastion, then Transistor.
I'm still holding out for a staff
fading forge
@coral axle zeus shield just chews them up with relatively little effort though, and it has some other very cool combos and setups apart from that
jade grove
yeah, Zeus shield is perhaps one of the most unique aspects
It gives you... a beyblade of death.
stoic quail
Zeus shield best shield
coral axle
but then you're sacrificing shield of chaos tho
jade grove
I can't wait to get the blood for it after finishing off my Rails.
I mean, it's not a sacrifice if they're both super strong and fun
fading forge
@coral axle that's okay, it's nice to do a different aspect sometimes
jade grove
sidegrades are love
Sword... I'm not recommending for swords. I hate sword and never play it seriously
ask the sword mains, hue
fading forge
be cool and nemesis aspect things
get big numbers, don't worry about casts
feel proud
jade grove
Chiron's good if you have max rank. Hera... is gimmicky, and apparently clunky as heck, but it can give the highest single shot damage, even scarier than hestia if I remember right
At least, without abusing Master Chaos' potential for absolute shenanigans
What do you mean stacking three attack boons from Chaos isn't fair and balanced?
vocal thorn
Chiron is good at low heat, but its damage can be a bit lacking at high heat. Hera is ok, but the cast crystals can get stuck in lava, or in walls, so it's a bit buggy right now
jade grove
...then again, eris for the risk takers, cluster bomb rocket bomb, use it as an explosive death shotgun
vocal thorn
The rail might be a better overall weapon for new players than the bow
jade grove
quintuple rockets is pretty shenanigansy
hmmm
that highly depends on playstyle.
bow is better for truly hanging back out of range.
that said, it does suffer a touch against bosses
I think the best new player weapon is naturally the shield, nothing whatsoever beats its ease of use
vocal thorn
some people like ranged combat though
jade grove
yeah, like I said, ranged ones both have pros and cons
stoic quail
I'd say new players shouldn't even be having this conversation. They should just jump in and try stuff and see what they like
unborn spoke
Triple rocket is great but tried Cluster rocket yet? its awesome
vocal thorn
and chiron is terrible if you don't pump enough titan blood into at, and Hera is buggy enough that it would be a pain for new players
deep pivot
Bow users be like โI shot an arrow into the air. It fell to earth, I knew not where. For, so swiftly it flew, the sight. Could not follow it in its flight.โ
vocal thorn
well, when you're a new player, and have maybe like 1 titan blood, "just try things" is hard
jade grove
AdamVsEverything did mention it's a good candidate for 32 heat, and a very solid, reliable weapon
like I said. Zagreus aspects have their place.
It's just that some of them are underwhelming, more than they should be.
vocal thorn
unless you want to buy an aspect, and use the "give up" command in game, to refund the titan blood
jade grove
You CAN straight up buy an aspect and beat up Skelly and quit/reload.
That's what he's there for.
vocal thorn
otherwise, a new player literally can't just try things, because they're locked behind titan blood
jade grove
I will say, Rail play is not safer than Bow play in general
Hestia perhaps.
But Hestia below 3/4/5 is underwhelming
stoic quail
God forbid you have to play to unlock more stuff. Why don't they just give us it all from start right? So mean to new players
jade grove
If you get the correct hammers, like Inescapable Cluster or Rocket Cluster or the Flurry attack on Zeus Attack, certainly
@stoic quail What are you ranting about?
Your strawman isn't relevant.
stoic quail
You're annoying. Have fun.
jade grove
What even
Person comes in, makes some mocking statement that has no relevance to what anyone has been saying for the past ten minutes, and then shows an inability to respectfully disagree with people ๐ค
crimson void
Speaking of the rail, I just had my first win with it
Artemis special plus triple rockets
vocal thorn
If a player is so new that they can't beat the game yet, they'll find that they're kind of stuck at (I think) 5 titan blood. And if they pick a weapon they end up not being good at, then what, do we just say "git good" to the player?
Do we just tell people they need to tough it out, for the feelings of accomplishment, because they chose a weapon they ended up not liking?
coral axle
you can win purely by playing defensive on shield with no upgrades
crimson void
ackshually, five titan blood is enough to try a new aspect on each weapon, and you can exchange ambrosia for more blood
crimson void
When you're in the "try stuff and see if you like the playstyle" phase, you aren't trying to win runs, though
vocal thorn
When I first started, I think I pumped everything into swords, because I usually play swords in game like this. Then I found out that swords only get me to like the 2nd biome, and I made a poor choice for a starting weapon
vocal thorn
I literally ended up starting an entirely new game, and pumped everything into the chaos shield
jade grove
we gave practical solutions, like 'try it and give up mid run or use Skelly'
mortal ivy
My first aspect unlock was the Zeus shield lmao. Would have loved a refund on that
jade grove
and someone's response was immaturity and insults
"Use Skelly to demo aspects" is quite honestly the best option that, regardless, most new players do not know how to take. I sure didn't.
vocal thorn
I didn't know you could use skelly to demo aspects, and I didn't know the "give up" option existed
deep pivot
I just unlocked every aspect before leveling each up to see which ones I liked
quasi walrus
Ever tried Zeus shield with Athena's special deflect? Last boss gets rekt lol
crimson void
I think coffee has got a point about using skelly to demo stuff. It's not really clearly communicated that your progress is saved when you go through a door and that you can get your blood back by quitting to menu before leaving the courtyard
jade grove
0 heat x5 on unranked zags was not the most fun time
deep pivot
And cleared my first runs at rank 1 in every weapon
vocal thorn
and besides, the sword still looked cool when hitting skelly. It wasn't until I had to deal with lots of projectile-launching monsters, that I somehow had to kill in melee range, that I realized the swords weren't good as a beginner weapon
jade grove
Give Up mid-run may be a better way to stress test if you remember to
and don't die
Zeus Shield is great, but it's not really a thing you can Two Blood Wonder and get great results from.
vocal thorn
Zeus shield was terrible for me at 1 or 2 blood
jade grove
Yeah it's absolutely not a 'low blood' weapon
vocal thorn
Honestly, I would have felt much better as a new player, if there was a button to copy a save file to a different save slot
jade grove
Much like Hestia, which was my first unlock.
I toughed it out a bit, but it wasn't really stellar.
vocal thorn
then I could have just tried a new aspect on the new save slot, and junk the save slot if I didn't like it
jade grove
As much as I enjoy the hestia rail sometimes, it forced me into an uphill climb to beat all five 0-heats with absolutely nothing
quasi walrus
What went wrong here
jade grove
Rank 0 Zagreus aspects across the board
quasi walrus
jade grove
now that is an oof
60 minutes
but... yeah, unranked zeus disc just ain't hot
max rank, though?
crimson void
I haven't tried it yet, tbh. I will say this. aspects needing a certain level of blood investment before they feel good to play will probably discourage people from bothering with the aspect. "Hmm, I can put blood into a weapon aspect I already enjoy and get a power boost to what works for me, or I can put blood into a playstyle that feels like trash in the hopes that it will somehow salvage an experience that doesn't feel good at all. What a difficult decision."
jade grove
that's like... nutty
mortal ivy
I've had a couple good runs with maxed Zeus shield but at low blood it's just oof
jade grove
agree, I feel like the aspect ranking is not the strongest progression model in Hades
vocal thorn
The problem is that it can discourage some of the newer players
quasi walrus
๐ Can't wait to unlock all the aspects dang
jade grove
Can someone compose detailed and reasonable feedback along those lines?
Like... maybe we need more than just Skelly in there, have him call on friends.
And a 'try before you buy' option of previewing a glimpse of power, see how the Aspect could be at a higher rank, perhaps?
If no one's doing it, I'm doing it
quasi walrus
Ooh I like the idea of previewing it
deep pivot
My Zeus Aspect is still lv 1 and I occasionally pick it for fun~
quasi walrus
Same xd
deep pivot
Feels bad it gets hate lol
vocal thorn
There either needs to be a full training mode, that allows you to choose aspects/levels regardless if they are unlocked. Or a button to copy a save to a different slot. I'm not sure what else would be intuitive enough for newer players
mortal ivy
I'd like a training mode tbh
quasi walrus
Feel like the copying saves would be used for save scumming tho
jade grove
that's fine
mortal ivy
Skelly's doing a good job but I feel like there could be more...
vocal thorn
people already save scum with the give up option
No one actually thinks speedrunners are using fresh seeds, right?
crimson void
some kind of quintain type of thing that throws attacks out in skelly's yard would be good
quasi walrus
Idk about training, honestly the mechanics of the game are simple enough to grasp imo
crimson void
sure, training modes are for when you're trying to practice a specific mechanic
Has SG said anything about what the new weapon will be?
Personally I hope it's something heavy and brutish, like a club or an axe
quasi walrus
I'd like an axe ngl
mortal ivy
I'm not a fan of slow heavy-hitting weapons but more variety is always good
crimson void
De Gustibus, but we don't really have such a weapon right now
it would seem to fit the niche
quasi walrus
Tbf I quite like that there aren't any weapons that do really heavy damage to start out with. Closest I've come is with the bow and the explosive shot hammer, which did way more damage than I expected and was slow firing
jade grove
I'd like a ranged weapon
crimson void
you have two ranged weapons already
jade grove
And an Aspect that turns one of the other weapons like the shield or sword into a greatweapon that's slow and brutal instead
and three melee.
clearly, this is imbalanced
count the melee weapons c:
crimson void
varatha is a hybrid weapon.
mortal ivy
What do you mean shield isn't ranged /s
jade grove
Posted chunky message with a comprehensive overview of "training 2.0"
crimson void
shield is technically melee
jade grove
so is Shield, but they're base melee
vocal thorn
and the new spear's special is so good that it can be spammed as a ranged weapon
crimson void
varatha is half ranged
jade grove
but thematically and design-wise they're melee weapons with a ranged option
not dedicated ranged weapons in the vein of a bow and a rifle
mortal ivy
As a side note, GY spin going through walls is kinda busted imo
jade grove
I mean... it's okay
GY is designed such that you already have a real hard time not taking thick skin on a budget cuts run
and in general, unless you main the cerb collar and go ham on hearts (which is a poor decision), you're so much more vulnerable to oneshots it's not funny
you can cheese with chiron or the spear throw easily
and of course, who could forget the Aspect of Cheese
turtle your ass off behind an impenetrable shield and just yeet a Star of Murder at things
mortal ivy
I mean yeah, compared to the shield it's fair lol
vocal thorn
I have a 32 heat video of the final boss, where half the fight is me spamming the spear special
crimson void
So, Zagreus has a certain style that reminds me of Bayonetta and Dante from Devil May Cry(tm). I can't exactly put a word to it, though. It's something to do with confidence bordering on arrogance combined with a certain amount of wit and charisma
Does anybody else get that vibe?
jade grove
Swagreus
remote lily
last weapons to be Ebony & Ivory
enhanced by Infernal power, boyo
with powershot dealing always critical hit
... ok lets back to world. too similar to Rail
We all know its gonna be Devils hand a'ka Devil Bringer
crimson void
Like a caestus? That would be hype
unborn spoke
id LOVE to see dual pistols tho
stiff star
Can't stop thinking about possible merch in the future. I would pay .. so much to have little collectables of different keepsakes. So many opportunities for plushies...
hallow cargo
aspect of glock
hallow cargo
Cerberus>all
jade grove
man, Keepsake keychains would be hype as hell too
stiff star
I was thinking about the ones behind the locked hearts
KEEPSAKE KEYCHAINS
oh my god
Cerberus is the goodest boy but I can imagine a plush of him might a bit more intensive to make
jade grove
a cerberus dog hoodie
stiff star
Perhaps,,, a real life Cerberus dog bed..?
jade grove
it just adds two dog heads
stiff star
Hmmm
That would be pretty cool yeah
Sorry I can't stop thinking about keepsake keychains that's such a cool idea
remote lily
redddit : https://imgur.com/a/ny2BJjW : enter to see second pic
edit: OG post : https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/euppb7/idea_for_a_shirt_based_on_a_certain_shy_gorgon/
stiff star
!!!
weak canyon
go for it
stiff star
A hypnos blindfold...a hypnos blanket?
Side note I absolutely love hypnos' outfit design
hallow cargo
a hypnos chair
stiff star
Hes just wearing a buncha quilts I love hypnos
jade grove
yes pls, tbh
stiff star
To which idea?
weak canyon
i like hypnos as a character, but i also hate his quotes to how we died to everything
they are helpful and obvious
stiff star
Now that I'm thinking about it, pins of keepsakes would be so so rad. Like enamel pins maybe? Idk
His quotes are good I love that goofy guy
stiff star
Hypnos Fan Club meeting
When: right now
Where: right here
oak yacht
i like the way that the olympians look so much cuz it's pretty close to how the greeks would have depicted them.. the women as fairer skinned and the men as more tanned idk it just stands out to me
and even then there's athena that queen
regal holly
does attack damage apply to dash damage
stiff star
Hmm I think they're separate...? Do not quote me on that
coral axle
so apparently spamming dodge while your game is loading crashes the game
regal holly
sources of attack damage seem way rarer than attack damage
but i really like the spear dash hits 3x
stiff star
Oh you mean like a dash attack
stiff star
Uh yeah extra attack should benefit the dash attack I think
I don't see why extra attack speed wouldnt affect it
stiff star
Yeah that checks out
stiff star
very fair!!
stiff star
I've paused a run to ask friends questions about boon interactions so many times...
Also I love the profile pic whim
regal holly
got the duo stack hangover to 8 yesterday
was pretty fun
and thanks ๐
a man after my own heart
stiff star
I had such a fun dio run the other day too,, so much DoT.....
stiff star
Wowza!
I really like exogryph w/ lots of crit and ...gosh I always forget the name, the artemis boon that fires an extra arrow whenever u attack or cast or whatever
stiff star
Yep yep yep all the time
stiff star
My friend will brag about a run and tell me what boons they got and I'm always asking them to describe them because I never remember
jade grove
Support Fire? Yeah, I can see why that's welcome on the Rail
regal holly
oh yeah
stiff star
"FIRE EVERYTHING"
jade grove
hmmm
Never liked Zag aspect, and I'm not throwing blood at it
but I can see where you're coming from
stiff star
I know other aspects are probably better but
jade grove
Just feels like the least useful thing the rail could get
stiff star
Just unloading a bajillion rounds into an enemy is really fun
It might not the most useful, it's just really fun
For me at least
jade grove
I wonder if Concentrated Fire scales well with anything
regal holly
well single player games fun>all else
jade grove
Legit curious as to whether it scales up any procs or whatever.
stiff star
You're gonna have to remind me what exactly concentrated fire does
stiff star
Ahhh
regal holly
artemis does have attack damage right
im not tripping
i keep not getting it
๐
jade grove
I don't feel like it synergizes with any boons...
Crit maybe, but Attack Crit is so weak
Flurry Fire/Concentrated Fire if possible on Zagreus rail, I guess, with Pom infused crit attack?
stiff star
Sounds like a party to me!
regal holly
i just need damage 
stiff star
I feel your pain whim
jade grove
OR Demeter with Chill blast
That would grant you extremely fast stacking of chill, pseudo Explosive rounds hammer without having to take it, and far higher base damage. Pair with Pressure Points
Ares with stacking doom tier 2? Poseidon?
Wait
The secret ingredient... is Chaos
If the +1 applies BEFORE % multipliers, then it'd be really potent with chaos buffs to attack
stiff star
Rest in peace
jade grove
F
hmm
I wonder, would the Zagreus aspect be that much of an improvement over just going Eris rail and Flurry fire for such a build
Ah.
Poseidon Attack with Sea Storm, maybe.
Rupture/Jolted.
stiff star
Yes yes yes
jade grove
or Aphrodite for that chunky raw damage bonus, Chaos support, Athena dash and Spent Spirit
because what Zagreus/Concentrated lacks the MOST is defensive options
You are a sitting duck. That's the greatest weakness of sustained fire rail.
That would give you the possibility of Legendary Aphrodite as well - and applying Charm stacks via a minigun sounds actually viable for bosses
If you could refresh charm enough, you'd get so many windows of not being attacked, it could make that more survivable
If they ever buff Poseidon and Artemis attack% values though... whew laddie
that'll actually make my personal least favorite aspect (designwise) look scary in the right hands
for real though, if you're committed to the path of dakka, I suggest cozying up to Master Chaos.
Even those dinky bullets will add up once you're sitting on 120% raw damage that (one bloody hopes) ramps the base up by 1 instead of adding 1 flat
stiff star
On a very logical erudite level, I agree with u, but I'mma be real with you chief, I just like shooting big gun for long time
jade grove
well then ask Chaos nicely to make your gun biggerererer
deep pivot
Oh yeah, you can dash-strike while firing and not lose the Concentrated Fire bonus
deep pivot
So you arenโt still the whole time
jade grove
I wonder if delta chamber breaks it, or is even compatible
so it's not purely uninterrupted, there's a small window of not just sitting around blasting?
deep pivot
Someone told me that. You can try it out with Skelly.
jade grove
because dash strikes can miss and all
well you need a mod to get that on Skelly, but it's sure worth a shot
if it applies before boons and can be maintained by dashing, then it's far better than I gave it credit for, and may actually legit make Zagreus Rail a contender by itself
deep pivot
Hmm you know what
jade grove
not for like... super fast broken builds, but it'll be at least fun and probably viable.
c:
deep pivot
Imma do a Zag rail run with Concentrated Fire to test it lol
jade grove
heh
if it's as spicy as I hope with something like Demeter chillsplosions...
hngh, I may have to unlock it NOT last
timber flare
Do any of you know of the musical Hadestown?
deep pivot
Nope
stiff star
I'm aware of it
jade grove
@deep pivot Anything, but probably a higher attack % like Demeter or Aphrodite
timber flare
It tells the story of Orpheus and Eurydice, set in a 1920's-1930's factory setting
It's super good
jade grove
Because you really just want to see whether it's adding 1 damage or 2-3-4-whatever damage per hit
timber flare
Wondering if Supergiant Games also know of it
And if it affected anything
Inspiration and stuff
jade grove
Also, please tell me if the 'uninterrupted hits' thing has a window, and if so, how long.
(probably DM me results as well, I'll be sleeping)
timber flare
Also note, I'm in the middle of the story in the game
deep pivot
Gnight sweetie ๐
jade grove
Like, does that reset if you miss, etc
deep pivot
Sure
jade grove
also put in a suggestion to simply buff Poseidon attack to a high tier
he already does buttloads of mob damage no matter what you do, because wall slams stronk
so logically, it'd mostly be a buff to boss fights, and doing chunky Aphrodite-ish damage would certainly be an incentive to not feel bad in the slightest about getting Poseidon
"Yeah, okay, knockback doesn't work on bosses, but this big stonking pile of raw damage does and if I get rupture status it's a good time"
deep pivot
Zeus attack vs bosses is still kinda useless
jade grove
Not always.
Zeus attack with a Flurry anything is nasty
Especially with a nice rarity Hermes attack speed
Quantity over quality.
Saturate a boss with enough dakka, and get Jolted, and it will melt
deep pivot
I mean, by itself
jade grove
one of my fastest boss kills was afaik with the Zeus attack on a rapidfire
Jolted isn't really necessary, it just supercharges the build with easy Priv and powerful synergies
the sustained DPS of spamming flurry attacks with chain lightning is just not to be underestimated
jade grove
Another person who took non flurry cursed slash, huh
regal holly
guan yu aspecterino
regal holly
does it gain extra damage
how am i meant to clear with it
im just dashing rn
cuz all the act 1 mobs dash at you
regal holly
how to charge spin against chargers 
hallow cargo
just stay farther back
it doesn't need to fully charge
just long enough to get a spin
hallow cargo
...hard disagree
regal holly
dash attacking is 2x the dps
hallow cargo
spin does crazy damage
jade grove
@stiff star Apparently concentrated is base damage, just don't miss and you have plenty of big boolet for bosses
Pretty crazy with something like Aphro, or pomstack Artemis
candid pine
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/676159121103388709/unknown.png cast? What's that
north belfry
so, i have a silly question that was probably asked 1000 times already
will the progress from early access be transferred to the full version?
opaque nexus
So I just went from 8 to 16 heat today
And got a new best time
@hallow cargo late but guan yu really relies on the right hammer upgrades
If you have quick spin itโs arguably the best weapon in the game though
vocal thorn
This game has such a large time-commitment for the meta-currencies, that I would be absolutely shocked if the progress didn't carry over
stiff star
@jade grove thanks for the update! Time 4 big boy bullets
opal mason
So, can someone explain why the Chiron aspect is bad? Maybe I misread, but I saw someone say it wasn't great. It sounds like a lot of fun to me.
deep pivot
Itโs not bad
Remember that people have their own opinions
I just had a Chiron run with Demeterโs boons and it was such a blast
patent umbra
I dont think chiron is great because it doesnt let you do anything stronger
stiff star
personally i like chirons aspect. i think its really interesting with the right boons/hammer upgrades
opal mason
What do you mean?
Side question, do i need to do something to unlock Demeter? Ive been playing for a bit and haven't seen her yet.
deep pivot
You need to reach the final boss
stiff star
i like chirons aspect because with the right stuff, on hit, chaining stuff, crit, its very interesting to me to like,, be able to focus something down. its also pleasant being able to send something homing on a specific enemy if i need to kite a lot or have to find cover or whatever.
from a strictly numbers perspective, i understand why someone might take a different aspect but the mechanics/gameplay strats of it make it very interesting to me
i also, like, dont know what im talking about so dont quote me im not an expert or anything so take this opinion with a pinch of salt
if someone knows better than me please correct me lmao
analog elbow
@lament pine the last two keepsakes have indicators
untold basin
Chiron is my favorite aspect, even if I don't think it is the best aspect in the game. Chiron with +4special, demeter special, 10 stack explosion, and a status on attack is enough dps to kill things even on high heat with timer (9min one) and 2x damage control on. I definitely don't think it is bad. Maybe more hammer/boon dependent than a few other builds, but it is still my favorite.
untold basin
Nice!
ripe oyster
Question: where in the discord should I mention a bug? I had the Ice Wine Duo boon and later picked up the Demeter boon that resets rarity and then raises them over time, and it hit Trippy Shot, and I lost the Ice Wine effect.........
I already submitted ingame feedback. Just wanted to know where else I should mention it, as it was super sad. The run still crushed, but I was really sad about losing the effect
hexed smelt
submitting it using f10 ingame is fine!
ripe oyster
Cool. Thanks
hidden geode
I would agree with that decision
I wouldnโt be surprised if all the recent Artemis nerfs were solely because of Chiron
full fern
what? chiron will be nerfed? why?
hidden geode
was nerfed, it happened already
hexed pilot
the max shots per special was lowered
full fern
oh, it had more than 7 shots per special previously ?
west chasm
Man, shield with charged shot is a better ranged weapon than actual ranged weapons
vocal thorn
Guan Yu with charged shot is a better ranged weapon than Chiron
I still like the idea of chiron special piercing everything until it hits its target, so that the special isn't so terrible when multiple targets are there
because sometimes it feels like i'm going dash, dash, dash cancel into charged shot, against things like swarms of skulls
sharp parcel
they could just allow the piercing special hammer to work with Chiron
vocal thorn
because dash cancel into special doesn't give enough time
sharp parcel
it's currently disallowed
that doesn't solve the issue of there being too many attack hammers though: 7 attack and only 3 special
and you don't wanna take charge special
the damage is fantastic but the need to charge the damage and range just kills the weapon
proud orbit
allowing piercing special with chiron sounds hard to code tho
sharp parcel
plus, you can't dash cancel the special
how would it be hard? the arrows would just fly through
brisk trail
It should be simple enough
sharp parcel
since they hit the target, they lose their homing
and just disappear once they reach max range
imagine if you were on the barge, marked an enemy on one side, and then fired a salvo from the other
boom, the barge is cleared
I like spear's special charge, that one it actually good
proud orbit
might also make it a required hammer upgrade on chiron lol
sharp parcel
I mean, the +4 special arrows is already a required Chiron hammer
simply because Chiron doesn't benefit from attack hammers
brisk trail
@proud orbit Special arrows despawn upon contact with marked enemy, boom.
opal mason
So how feasible is it for a newbie to main ranged?
untold basin
Ranged is very good and very safe. Especially before turning on certain pacts of punishment.
opal mason
Thats good to know. Chiron and Eris both seem nice, but I dont quite understand eris.
brisk trail
You know your Special, how it leaves a target on the floor?
untold basin
If you stand in the circle explosion of your own special move's explosion Zag looks like he catches on damage. Once that is applied you deal more damage for the duration
opal mason
Or am I missing something about the other aspects that make them strong?
Is eris or Chiron good at low ranks or does it need more investment?
untold basin
Chiron probably 'needs' higher level more than eris does
brisk trail
Investment.
opal mason
What should I do then for a solid build then for a first clear?
brisk trail
Shield + anything
Shield is the easiest weapon, but I recommend you play with everything.
crimson void
My first win was rail with crit rockets, my second win was the shield with ice wine and a reasonable amount of pierced butterfly stacks.
crimson void
It's really good
opal mason
How good is aspect of chaos?
crimson void
"let's take dionysus cast and remove the one drawback it has"
It's a direct upgrade from an unleveled zag shield
more than that I can't say because I don't have that much blood to work with
opal mason
I have 3 titan blood, should I upgrade it twice?
crimson void
If you're new to the game I would instead recommend unlocking as many of the single-blood aspects as you can
brisk trail
Aspect of Chaos is what most people consider the best weapon in the game.
crimson void
Try new things while you're new at the game
opal mason
Alright. Thank you
unborn spoke
Ya try it all.
shadow trellis
Shield + Ares special is a pretty good crutch when I want an easier win. Also try to get Divine dash from Athena it will really help.
agile saddle
so i dont understand the hammer upgrade world smasher for the shield? I mean bull rush is broken cause of block but world smasher removes block and the range rush has
brisk trail
It is also much faster and hits significantly harder.
It's a trade of offense for defense.
It doesn't completely remove the block, it's just more like a parry now.
And come on, it's the shield, it's not like trying to use Quick Spin-less Spin Attacks.
agile saddle
i still dislike the shield. have tried all the aspects and dont like any of them
deep pivot
Pick a weapon you prefer ๐
jade grove
@regal holly what aspect has suddenly become swole
deep pivot
Thatโd be Nemesis Aspect
regal holly
i just got 100% dash attack dmg from chaos 1st room act 3
i already killed hydras armor in 1 hit
this isnt humane
brisk trail
Hey, that's Nemesis's best build!
proud orbit
i did a high heat world splitter artemis attack nemesis run
brisk trail
That's how I got my fastest sword clear on 20 Heat.
proud orbit
i was laughing all the way to chamber 8 where i died because i was taking damaging from every enemy i fought
proud orbit
laugh-cries in so used to being ranged
brisk trail
Okay, just got Heartbreak Strike so I might have a shot.
regal holly
im just on pleb heat
deep pivot
Thatโs the cry of freedom
regal holly
pleb gamer
deep pivot
Kossetsu ๐
proud orbit
y-yes? 
deep pivot
Your vibes are just ๐๐ผ
wraith cipher
i did a pos sword run earlier with arte cast
sad i didnt get her legendary but it was fun
proud orbit
positive gamer
until i start trying high heat again then i start leaving whiny feedback
brisk trail
Hey.
calm laurel
How about for an April fools update that Zag can attempt to escape without weapons
brisk trail
High Heat tryhards need a positive gaming experience, too.
deep pivot
Cast only run
proud orbit
truuh
jolly lodge
fish only run
deep pivot
No attack or Special allowed ๐
jade grove
Fishing rod only
proud orbit
reminds me of necrodancer where there was a character who couldnt attack, you just had to get to the exit
proud orbit
consider: EVERY ROOM IS A SURVIVAL ROOM
jolly lodge
cooking game event where zag fishes and cooks the best fish for each room in order to advance
brisk trail
Okay.
jade grove
Literally named Yeet Beets
jade grove
@jolly lodge since when is this Shokugeki no Zagreus
brisk trail
I saw their Extended Jab coming in from the top of the screen next to a stream of butterflies.
jade grove
I'm down for Shokugeki btw. Zagreus can sit with his legs crossed, put the pan on his feet, and heat it that way
deep pivot
Felis showing their inner weeb side lol
proud orbit
where's your weeb pic then 
jade grove
Can't afford nitro. Or I would have Mad Scientist Okabe Rintarou all the time
Just isn't worth it without the mad scientist pose
proud orbit
@brisk trail also i swear enemies make attacks they know won't hit you and it drives me crazy
deep pivot
The Jab
calm laurel
Now put U Got That over it
jade grove
Extended Dab
brisk trail
So what I'm thinking of is when two Elite Spreaders blanket 70% of a Chamber in orbs.
deep pivot
๐ฎ
brisk trail
That is both terrible and hilarious.
deep pivot
Wonder if thereโs a longspear reference somewhere
jade grove
And Zagreus going "Ow!" from the upper right of the screen
He got hit by the violent dabbing
proud orbit
"Again!?"
brisk trail
So this build got very silly very suddenly.
jolly lodge
get that manipulative owl away from me
calm laurel
๐ฆ
jolly lodge
you are just a microtransaction owl, you are not really teaching me the love for target language
calm laurel
Lol
jolly lodge
Athena with microtransaction though...
"to continue enjoying my blessing, insert 5 obols in the next owl statue"
no money no deflect
jade grove
Lmao
unborn spoke
lol
strong heron
tardy apex
why can we no longer post in the feedback or suggestions channels? ๐ค
forest grotto
So since the spear's final aspect is from China are we going to see the sword become excalibur and the shield becoming the shield brunhild (idk if I spelled that right) uses? It would also make sense if the bow came from Japan or so I hear because from what I've been told originally samurai used bows on horseback as far as the adamant rail is concerned possibly someone from America during the wild west legends?
frail remnant
