But zag speed boost lets you shred down boss health
#h1-discussion
lucid scaffold
What kind of build did you do?
south meadow
Haelian just got World Record 8:38 run
static wadi
poison attack
lucid scaffold
Interesting
static wadi
and some protective stuff
lucid scaffold
For my first spear run I did Zeus with flurry
And I forget what was in special
I could have optimized that much more
But it was pretty solid as is
south meadow
Yeah he accidentally found a hydra skip that prevented the hydra from invuln more than once during the fight giving him basically free hydra fight lol
lucid scaffold
Yeah, just saw the clip
south meadow
After he does his boonless run he'll probably try to recreate
lucid scaffold
IC
static wadi
@sinful falcon gun is rly easy and dumb https://www.dropbox.com/s/i1p19borieyf3xx/Hades 2019.12.25 - 22.37.16.02.mp4?dl=0
flat vapor
use charged shot
tranquil tulip
idk
flat vapor
that;s how
main plume
I'll drop by to say FRICK 32 heat
Cheers!
tranquil tulip
im bad with shield and spear cause idk how to properly use the charge attacks
my best weapon is sword doe
then Bow
south meadow
Well shield is technically the fastest weapon to use currently because of the explosion from hammer
static wadi
i use charge attack only to block some badstuff
like final boss ray
or snakestones
tranquil tulip
but chaos aspect
static wadi
i use zeus
tranquil tulip
that and my brain can't comprehend why i need to block when i can just nyoom away
tranquil tulip
dash
static wadi
some thing u just cant avoid
or hard to avoid
remeber miniboss snakestone with 2 satyrs?
tranquil tulip
I use Chiron aspect bow and nemesis sword
idk im just use to ducking and weaving
also Chrin/ zagreus
void nova
i never use the charge attacks for shield or spear, but i still like them both a lot
static wadi
well i love all bow aspects
tranquil tulip
yeah all bow aspects are nice
static wadi
they are intresting
but chiron has no good aoe dmg
but his 1x1 burst amazing
@void nova try charge spin attack not far from enemies
and dash into them
static wadi
spin attack will be used after dash
tranquil tulip
they should make zagreus aspect sword
+1 dash rather than movement speed
fully leveled
void nova
i actually have made decent use of the spin attack with the spear aspect that makes enemies vulnerable after being hit with the spin, but usually i charge up while they're spawning and let off a big one right after they show up then don't use it again while the enemies are present
static wadi
yeah i do it too but mark may dissapear
@tranquil tulip so are you really sword main?
tranquil tulip
ye
brisk trail
Poseidon Aspect, Adamant Arrowhead.
brisk trail
Artemis' Keepsake.
brisk trail
artemis has a lot of cast-focused boons @static wadi
tranquil tulip
but yeah Poseidon for cast centered
Nemesis if you just want to cast for boiling blood
cause nemesis you can either build Crit build or you can go Priviledged with it
you build zaggy to appease Skelly
tranquil tulip
oh bow zag aspect is alright
depends on how much do you value the crit
which i do so its fine for me
i just dont value movement speed as much
cause i dash a lot
brisk trail
ye but picking up a 40% greater haste makes you the fastest wretch in the underworld and there is nothing cooler than that
also i feel like base ms is too slow so +30% feels nice
brisk trail
and i didn't realise shield's zag aspect went all the way up to 15% dr which is pretty good
brisk trail
ye
brisk trail
i'd like to bump nemesis and achilles to the max to play around with their busted damage but i'm extremely poor and i've already maxed chiron pepehands
i'd assume so
it's considered part of your main attack for boon purposes
Nope.
lmao aight
also didn't realise pressure points could make any damage instance crit, it's really nice
flat vapor
i'm a real fan of nemesis flurry blade
brisk trail
I need to use that again.
wind rover
huh
interestingly enough, hestia keeps the single-shot bonus damage even after i pick spreadshot
after the first shot it then goes to spread
flat vapor
i believe that was intentionally done bc it'd be too strong otherwise
wind rover
yea figured, tis why i wanted to try on spread with hestia's bonus damage
no such luck
bitter valve
I am getting real tired of these 32 heat runs
I might need to take a break or change the way I approach it
brisk trail
taking a break is probably a reasonable option yes
try not to make playing the game feel like a chore
bitter valve
oh it isn't a chore im still having a lot of fun
but I feel like im not making any progres
I might go back and get some titan blood to fully upgrade the chaos shield
||and maybe get the contract that will free sisyphus||
bitter valve
well if it is any consolation the real story is a lot more complicated
wind rover
does artemis' call not have auto-tracking when the first target they pick is called by the first few arrows?
lean dome
i dont get what House Decor draperies change exactly. is it my bed, some curtains i didnt see? plus if i purchased a color, can i not go back to the original? do i have to pay again?
humble pulsar
it changes the tapestries that you can see kind of hanging from the roof in the main house
you can change the color back to the original for the same price
(itll typically be offered by the contractor)
the only reason to really change the tapestry color is if you have nothing better to spend your gems on and if you want to irritate Hades :p
lean dome
got it! so only 2 colors available, they will always take a spot at the contractor, not a priority (even though that was the first thing i bought, since i think it was the only one i could afford). thanks a bunch for the info!
brisk trail
three colors and they're not always taking a spot
lean dome
i see thank you too
opaque nexus
What do y’all think is the least useful aspect in the game
static wadi
2nd shield mb
bitter valve
my top 2 would go to movement speed on the sword and the first shot deals more damage one for the gun
brisk trail
Zeus, maybe.
tranquil tulip
zagreus aspect for sword
tranquil tulip
and probably zagreus aspect for the rail
static wadi
i like zeus shield
brisk trail
Including Zag Aspects, Spear.
tranquil tulip
spear is fine
opaque nexus
Like, why use Zag bow when you can use Chiron
tranquil tulip
i use it cause i meme with special builds
cause you want to power shot build meme
static wadi
with poseidon/athena zeus shield can protect u good
bitter valve
Yeah I kinda like all of the spear aspects
opaque nexus
And need I mention Hera
bitter valve
Depends if you turned on faster enemies
you pretty much don't have the time to charge
brisk trail
I'm doing a Hades run right now with Explosive Launcher and Heart Rend on Deadly Flourish.
tired citrus
hmm, probably
brisk trail
I'm critting over 1k when I get PS.
tired citrus
I'm gonna wait to get to higher heat and turn up enemy speed up at once
opaque nexus
Tbh aspects in this game are pretty balanced for the most part
tired citrus
so I don't have to re-learn for every 10% increment
opaque nexus
The really good ones require specific setups
tired citrus
or maybe I'll go 0->30->50
brisk trail
Yeah, absolutely terrifying.
opaque nexus
All of the bottom row aspects of the weapons are all pretty extreme in terms of benefits and drawbacks
bitter valve
the damage is surreal
opaque nexus
Like you need a specific build for them to work
tired citrus
Oooh, guess I should have held onto my luck for later
opaque nexus
Now what’s really important is which aspects look the coolest
bitter valve
Chiron when you special dash looks the coolest
no contest
dashing backwards while shooting a bunch of arrows
opaque nexus
No I mean the weapon itself
bitter valve
chiron no contest
brisk trail
I like Chaos Aspect the most.
bitter valve
I am a bit of a chiron fanboy
brisk trail
Chaos then Hestia.
opaque nexus
Idk if nemesis or Poseidon looks cooler
For sword
I’ve said this before but
Zag Rail be like:’MURICA!!!
tired citrus
Zag rail seems like it has huge diminishing returns
don't think you'll often be able or have to keep shooting for that long
before it being convenient to Special and reload
opaque nexus
Zag allows you to do dumb stuff with flurry fire
brisk trail
Eris is my favorite. It's not super easy to use but it melts with Dionysus and Zeus.
And Ares.
I like Explosive Launcher with Zag Spear.
void nova
so, by my estimation, Jury Summons (pact condition which causes more enemies to spawn) could actually be a benefit because you could get more drops (gold, health if you have that well bonus) and more chances to proc kill boons
am i right? and also, are there any other pact conditions that could provide any sort of benefit?
opaque nexus
Jury summons is one of the easier pact options anyway
void nova
oh also there are boons like.. do more damage when 3+ enemies are poisoned
opaque nexus
Wouldn’t be surprised
opaque nexus
Either way jury summons is kind of a joke
void nova
jury summons is choice
humble pulsar
Since it no longer affects boss rooms, its a good choice
void nova
i find it entertaining
opaque nexus
I think it’s one of the easiest on the pact
humble pulsar
the problem with jury summons is at higher heats when you need to combine it with other parts of the pact
then its a problem
void nova
ah yeah
opaque nexus
For grinding blood just after beating the game it’s good
Also first hit immunity
Oh god
Third hit even
humble pulsar
or try it with Forced Overtime. It can be pretty rough then
opaque nexus
Max heat hasn’t been beaten right
tired citrus
I didn't know why people were saying Extreme Measures 2 was ridiculously bad
Didn't seem much harder at first
Then I turned on Heightened Security
😦
bitter valve
dude the hydra
is ending so many of my 32 heat tries
it is so difficult to get through that fight without taking a hit
Also I wish the first rank of budget cuts gave a lot more heat
humble pulsar
I legitimately do not think a 45 heat clear (max heat) is possible
32 is definitely doable but incredibly hard.
brisk trail
I don't think 32 Heat is doable without a very very good seed.
bitter valve
You can definitely do it with super safe play and no timer
chucking the shield the whole time or something
but that might take 2 hours
or perhaps zeus shield with an ares special only dodging
humble pulsar
I do think a couple pact options should be made a bit easier
Especially Tight Deadline and Extreme Measures. Theseus+ is way overtuned atm
Those bombs do 120 damage a hit with maxed Hard Labor
Hydra+ is also still overtuned imo. I think Alecto's Blade Rifts need a nerf overall cause they're awful with Extreme Measures and awful with any heat on.
(Furies feel alright besides that but tisi's fog is just a nuisance and not really fun to fight)
lusty wasp
the furies are aweful with speed but else its no problem - and the other give 2 points for it
humble pulsar
Depends on your build tbh
bitter valve
Those blade rifts have killed me more times than im willing to admit lol
humble pulsar
They give 2 points but then they got buffed again when they were honestly already hard enough.
Middle Management could use some more tweaks given that the Asphodel encounters are honestly downright awful with it on.
opaque nexus
Isn’t there a pact that reduces the maximum darkness you can get or something
humble pulsar
Budget Cuts
lusty wasp
the elysium fight is easier but they hit a lot harder - 2 points for that is more than worth it
opaque nexus
That’s literally just free heat
humble pulsar
is and isnt
at max budget cuts you're at 500 darkness
that's at most 1 death defiance
bitter valve
The first rank hits you the hardest
opaque nexus
Oh nvm
humble pulsar
at 1 short of max you're at 1000
opaque nexus
I read it wrong
humble pulsar
thats at max 2 death defiances
thats much more punishing given how death defiances now work
bitter valve
I would love to try a 32 heat run without budget cuts
but it is on by default in hell mode
humble pulsar
Tight Deadline should bank time from previous biomes into your latter biomes
Less of a nerf and more rewarding a fast tartarus and asphodel clear to simply survive elysium
opaque nexus
What is hell mode
humble pulsar
(I also personally think the timer should be off in any room with no enemies)
devout plinth
it’s like regular, but there are heat challenges that are always locked in
brisk trail
And I believe Heat constantly ticks upwards, so the game is constantly getting harder.
opaque nexus
Oh boy
devout plinth
Oh, didn’t even realize that haha
humble pulsar
Heat starts at 5 and you cant escape unless you fill the gauge
bitter valve
wait
how does it work normally
I started playing with the steam release
and started on hell mode
brisk trail
You control the Heat.
humble pulsar
You're allowed to play at any heat level even below the gauge. Bosses drop large amounts of Darkness instead of Bounties if you play below the gauge.
opaque nexus
Is the best way to farm Titan blood the pact
brisk trail
Yes.
bitter valve
It seems kinda silly to not be allowed to do a run below the gauge
I never noticed it
opaque nexus
How much Titan blood do you need to max every aspect
humble pulsar
You need 5 to max every Zag aspect
so that's 25
then the second row aspects all cost 2/2/3/4/5 I believe
and the third row aspects all cost 1/2/3/4/5
opaque nexus
Swap second and third
humble pulsar
so 15x5 + 16x5
opaque nexus
I calculated and it’s exactly 100
humble pulsar
15 times 5 + 16 times 5 + 25 = 180
humble pulsar
Oh yeah for sure
opaque nexus
But it would take a very very long time
You would need to resort to hoping Charon sells it
brisk trail
No biggie, only requires grinding all five weapons up to 8 Heat.
Maybe less, it's been a while.
opaque nexus
??
humble pulsar
You get 2 blood a run
opaque nexus
Oh
bitter valve
also on hell mode you start at 5 heat
opaque nexus
Oh I forgot you get Titan blood for some quests
humble pulsar
So assuming you don't have the Fated List, and you don't use the Charon shop, that would take you a total of 90 runs with bounties for each one
which would be up to 18 Heat on every weapon
humble pulsar
I find I beat Hades every time up to around 10 Heat
then it starts to get less probable
opaque nexus
I’m new
humble pulsar
But that's not entirely realistic since if you really want to grind aspects, you'll be abusing Charon, the Broker, and the Fated List to accelerate it
You can trade 1 Ambrosia for 1 Blood, so you can technically get 3 blood a run (which most people will probably do given that it will take a long time for a player to even find the use for Ambrosia) which cuts you down to 60 runs
opaque nexus
Are the companions good to have
humble pulsar
Definitely, but not necessary until you start reaching very high amounts of heat
opaque nexus
So sink that into TB
humble pulsar
Most people will do that anyways since they wont know what Ambrosia is for until they ||complete any of the 4 npcs major quests||
brisk trail
I'd max relationships before you burn all of your Ambrosia.
opaque nexus
I think I still have 1 left
humble pulsar
Most people will unfortunately burn Ambrosia cause it isnt listed basically anywhere what its used for
and its not discoverable for a long time
It took me about 100 runs to max out everyone's social link.
opaque nexus
I have ||Sisy||and ||Skelly||’s quests
bitter valve
the first one is the most helpful for sure
opaque nexus
Been spending the diamonds on other contractor stuff
Welp gotta grind when I’m able to play
humble pulsar
The latter one is definitely more useful for bosses imo since it works really well on them. The former however is super great just to get more resources.
opaque nexus
First order of business is completing Titan blood quests
bitter valve
the hp on the second one is kinda wild I gotta admit
opaque nexus
And beating the game with every weapon
Which gives 10
I also almost have a 2 blood quest done
In doing that I can complete the all aspects quest
Or almost get there
Or with that Titan blood I can max sword zag and complete ||skelly|| then put the diamonds towards ||sisy||
I prefer the first option
humble pulsar
i had already maxed sword cause im a speed addict :kappa:
one day im gonna make a video thats like this but for hades
https://youtu.be/qtEm3CqJ2sY
opaque nexus
Let me see, 12 Titan blood +the additional 5 from beating the game with all weapons
17
That may be enough to max zag and get 1 of each aspect I don’t have as well
You don’t need to get 1 upgrade for zag for every weapons to complete that prophecy right
void nova
is it just me or do diamonds not come nearly fast enough? before i didn't care because it was just a bunch of sheet music, but now i have something important that costs 10 diamonds and i'm only getting 1 per run tops, dang
void nova
i mean yeah but, nectar also does not come nearly fast enough
none of the resources come fast enough to justify getting diamonds that way, for me anyway
maybe if i could buy gems with darkness...
brisk trail
Is it just me or the last update the hammer tends to show up a lot later? I don't get a single hammer up until I reach Elysium. 
void nova
and i have so many more relationships to build that i can't just start dumping nectar by the 10's
drifting meteor
im getting 2-3 hammers per run so i think its just rng
brisk trail
Ever since the update, If I don't get the hammer right at the beginning, I won't get it until I reach Elysium. Not like it bothers me that much but I do notice.
humble pulsar
The first hammer should always at least be offered at least once in between Tartarus and Asphodel
Sometimes it's in a shop unfortunately
The 2nd is always offered in Elysium. You'll never see it earlier.
brisk trail
400 gold.
drifting meteor
ah so you're doing high heat then
humble pulsar
It's incredibly rare to see hammers only offered in shops
brisk trail
humble pulsar
Which is usually why I don't really care about entering them.
But I always enter with at least 150/300 for a boon
brisk trail
I tend to have 1000-1500+ gold by the time I reach Temple of Styx since I don't enter shops or spend it.
drifting meteor
i pretty much spend money as i get it. i always buy boons have bonus rarity when i get the chance
and also top off my health when i can
void nova
i do the same @drifting meteor but i also tend to avoid shops until styx unless i really need something
brisk trail
I wonder when they gonna nerf the Broken spearhead trinket.
drifting meteor
i enter shops when i have enough money to buy at least a hammer
brisk trail
That trinket has become mandatory from Elysium and up.
drifting meteor
i hard skip when i dont
ngl my big issue with elysium is less the damage things do and more that everything takes an eternity to kill
the standard mob responsible for most of my damage are armored shield eyeballs
bitter valve
I am actually taking it at the start for my 32 heat runs
drifting meteor
because on top of having to kill each one twice and having 9000 hp, you have tight windows on when you get to damage them
brisk trail
Yea, I never liked how easily you can take over 100hp+ in a single moment because you grazed something.
brisk trail
Yea but sometimes I wanna challenge myself by breaking free from the usual boons.
drifting meteor
sometimes i like to challenge myself while eating soup by doing it with a fork
frozen wave
hey, what are the locked hearts for the dialogue? Do we not have access yet or something?
brisk trail
If it's a lock, you have to advance their storyline and give them Ambrosia.
Many are unlockable but not everything. Hopefully by the next update, we get a lot more heart events with various people.
I'm still waiting to get a heart higher with Hades. 
frozen wave
Well I’ve been having many conversations with a certain character and this is the first time I’ve seen them have a locked heart.
Just curious on what that entails
brisk trail
No...Not dating him...I just relate with the man.
drifting meteor
not wanting to date hades
plebian
void nova
hades is sad
drifting meteor
speaking of, anyone want to place bets on the next olympian being added?
my money's on apollo.
brisk trail
the current consensus is demeter
drifting meteor
well the four options we have are apollo, hephaestus, hera, and demeter.
grandma's out of the picture because her being added has too many implications
which really just leaves apollo, hephaestus, and hera
drowsy fable
I'm betting Apollo, but hoping Hera
drifting meteor
yeah, apollo just seems like a really safe and uncontroversial bet.
"sun archer" is just a really video gamey concept compared to "blacksmith cuck" and "abusive mom"
brisk trail
where's the teaser for the next update again
seen it a few days ago but i can't seem to find it anymore
drowsy fable
Hera's also a goddess of marriage
Her character in game could be the "shipper on deck" type.
Hephaestus is also a good bet for fire stuff getting added to attacks
opaque nexus
Kid icarus crossover when
drifting meteor
tbqh if i had to bet
hephaestus would be weapon/hammer-esque effects
apollo would be armor piercing or fire effects
then hera's a wash
drowsy fable
Hera is pretty damn good at curses
opaque nexus
Isn’t the update in like january
brisk trail
ye
drifting meteor
looking forward to all these story implications
opaque nexus
Do we know if new weapon
brisk trail
we don't know yet and i'd assume it won't be in the next patch no
also i think i'd rather have demeter as a story character and not a boon-slinging olympian but yano
lookin forward to it nonetheless
drifting meteor
yeah i was assuming grandma would be a major story character and not a boon slinger, which is why i was like "demeter's not being added until they have the ending planned out"
opaque nexus
Guys ready for them to make poseidon boons op
drowsy fable
Are they not already?
brisk trail
no, not really
opaque nexus
No they’re not really good
drifting meteor
poseidon is like, the worst god bar none
brisk trail
Little bit.
opaque nexus
Knockback just isn’t useful enough
drowsy fable
Hm. His attack boon is alright if you're not using shield, but I guess the others aren't that great, especially his call
brisk trail
His Call is actually not terrible.
drifting meteor
i remember i took poseidon on bow special with the thought process of "well, bow special is worthless but its also an instant cast so it could be a good disengage/space maker"
literally didn't even push someone back 2 pixels
brisk trail
his call is among his best boons tbh
drifting meteor
only it's outclassed by athena, aphrodite, and ares
brisk trail
Tempest Strike is pretty F tier, though. Second worst damage up of the 4 gods that provide a % increase, but knockback means you can't combo any attacks.
...
Those Calls are all pretty meh.
Zeus and Dio have the best, followed by Artemis.
athena's call is probably worse than poseidon's tbh
I like Athena's Greater Call.
opaque nexus
What do you think Demeter’s primary status effect is gonna be
brisk trail
frozen
drowsy fable
Root
drifting meteor
i think demeter is going to be centered around healing/sustain
opaque nexus
What if life steal
brisk trail
i expect her to be depressed and giving you withering and frosty potential
life steal would probably be too busted
drifting meteor
leechade is that you
drowsy fable
Except in the og myths, Demeter's depression caused summer
drifting meteor
thats still debated
drowsy fable
And healing is Apollo's domain
burnt dragon
ok just got the game and died to megara, is meg from Hercules supposed to be megara
bitter valve
yeah but burrito ingredients are demeters domain
drifting meteor
^
void nova
i actually like poseidon pretty well, he just isn't super effective against bosses i suppose, but his call is ok against bosses
drifting meteor
i think they're gyros
drowsy fable
I'm betting on entangling roots though
void nova
i randomly took his cast at one point recently and itw as just destroying evreything
bitter valve
Yeah my money is on root as well
drowsy fable
They're defo gyros
void nova
they're gyros, amir said so lol
void nova
same
drifting meteor
hard cc would be good against the jumpy bois in asphodel and against anything in elysium
brisk trail
eh
it'd be alright
and completely useless against bosses
i'm not fond of the idea
drowsy fable
Well, yea
drifting meteor
except minotaur, in which case he'd probs be immune because of how much it would trivialize the fight
bitter valve
it would probably function the same way as charm
drifting meteor
but he's not immune to charm
bitter valve
reduced duration
drifting meteor
and charm is high-key overpowered
brisk trail
they're all immune to knockback so i'd assume they'd be immune to roots as well
but reduced duration could work as well
might make it functional
busted if it interrupts
bitter valve
are you sure they are fully immune to knockback
drifting meteor
theyre basically fully immune to knockback
void nova
they can get ruptured tho right?
brisk trail
ye
drowsy fable
I wall slam furys with shield if they're right next to a wall
brisk trail
because that comes from whatever has the knockback effect on it, not the knockback itself
same goes for the deflect/exposed thing with athena
drifting meteor
generally exposed/rupture is only really all that useful as a way to trigger priviledged status
brisk trail
yep
drifting meteor
the dot just isn't all that juicy on rupture and exposed is too low impact and too situational
brisk trail
jolted fits as well but at least you get a decent 100-some damage out of it when it ends
drifting meteor
yeah, jolted deals decent damage is the thing
void nova
exposed was amazing in my build the other day
i had athena dash + exposed + 3 extra dashes and i just kept dashing through an enemy and shooting them in the back (rail) and doing it again once they turned to face me lol
drifting meteor
i think enemies in this game are in desperate need of a turn ratio
brisk trail
haven't really paid attention to that so far, how quickly do they turn around?
void nova
maybe rooting will prevent them from turning as well
brisk trail
that'd be busted
void nova
or make them turn more slowly
drifting meteor
they literally snap to face you
brisk trail
yeah that's what i thought
drifting meteor
it makes fighting the shield boys in elysium really fun
and by fun i mean miserable
which is the opposite of fun
bitter valve
uhh
this is the 2nd time this has happened
my casts have disappeared during the tisiphone fight
brisk trail
wait for the spear, dash away, dash in, attack twice, dash out rince and repeat
drifting meteor
oh so how that works is that there are 3 different arenas for each stage of walls
when the darkness kicks in it just teleports you and tis into the next arena
brisk trail
nope
bitter valve
I don't want to be the one to burst your bubble but
I didn't even change arenas
lol
drifting meteor
oh, well
bitter valve
guess I die
drifting meteor
okay so they spawn in the walls and tp you to the center
brisk trail
ye
drifting meteor
either way, normally what happens is that the bloodstones are still there they're just inacessable and you have to wait for them to time out
brisk trail
protip : don't miss with your casts so that your stones are stuck in tisiphone instead of on the ground, doing nothing
bitter valve
Yeah but this one happened at the start of the fight
I loaded 3 casts in with the bow
shot it
next thing I know they are not stuck in her
poof
gone
so weird
brisk trail
yeah, hera bow can get glitchy sometimes from what i've heard
what cast boon did you have?
brisk trail
haven't tried that one yet, weird
bitter valve
I was so sure they would hit
brisk trail
does it make your arrow track the enemy?
bitter valve
yeah it homes in
brisk trail
neat
bitter valve
it can also crit
drifting meteor
havent used hera bow before. does it replace your arrow with your cast or does it add cast effects to your arrow?
drowsy fable
It can miss
brisk trail
Adds the Cast to your arrow.
you can load casts into your normal attack
When your arrow hits something it "fires" the Cast point-blank.
drifting meteor
seems like kind of a gopnik solution, but if it works it works.
brisk trail
zag, ductaping bloodstones to his arrows while running away from tisiphone
drifting meteor
now im just picturing zag in an adidas track suit
mint shuttle
jogreus
brisk trail
squatting to evade ranged attacks
drifting meteor
drinking monster zero ultra for health
void nova
haha
hallow plank
Beat the game for the first time last night, had to share the relevant part of the setup: Hunting Blades, Fully Loaded, Burst Shot (Lvl. 3), Engulfing Vortex. The world was my blender, ha.
void nova
probably would help if he would zigreus sometimes too
humble pulsar
Hunting Blades is in my opinion the strongest setup in the entire game.
hallow plank
It is ridiculous, frankly.
lucid scaffold
I gotta try it someday
humble pulsar
It's balanced by the fact that frankly default Ares Cast is the worst in the game
hallow plank
Having 6 (x2) on the field is insane
humble pulsar
So fishing for a Hunting Blades setup can easily leave you very weak for a long time
lucid scaffold
yeah
hallow plank
I won on the next one again with Ares' cast, but ended up with the Legendary there (Vicious Cycle). No Hunting Blades, but the damage was sufficient.
void nova
i like ares cast lol
i love how different people's opinions can be on pretty much everything in this game
mark of well balanced diversity
hallow plank
Back to back Legendaries was pretty lucky. I'm still not sure what basic cast I prefer yet, though.
There fact that your crystal doesn't stick is a pretty big downside to Ares cast
odd bramble
I don't like HB, it does an insane amount of easy-auto damage and I still never want to pick Slicing Shot.
humble pulsar
The only reason I dislike slicing shot is Elysium
Enemies move too fast for it to do it's consistent damage.
bitter valve
what about bombers
ok my casts have disappeared again
it seems like I can do it consistently
odd bramble
Yeah I don't really like it in Asphodel either, for bombers, thwomp guys and "will this go in the lava?" I don't think Slicing Shot has to be removed or anything, but it's a very polarizing ability and Hunting Blades is just so strong and strictly attached to it.
hallow plank
I generally haven't liked Slicing Shot, those two runs just stood out as being unusually good instancrs of setups for it
Any recommendations for favorite setups to try?
bitter valve
do you have the weapon aspects unlocked
drowsy fable
Just lost a run with explosive shot poison attack infinite ammo rail :(
hallow plank
Some. Limited blood to work with
drowsy fable
Darn shields with instant turn
bitter valve
chiron with aph attack and dionysus poison is very fun
especially if you get their duo
and the athena ares duo is cool
athena dash + doom on attack/special is my favourite
but athena on attack or special works as well
drowsy fable
Haven't gotten out yet, but I suspect that's more a matter of grinding darkness and keys
hallow plank
I haven't been the biggest fan of the bow, but Chiron looks interesting. Definitely plays better mouse + keyboard for me. I play melee on controller
bitter valve
chiron gets a lot more fun when you learn you can overlap the special animation with the dash
same with spear attack
hallow plank
I love the spear.
gloomy talon
@drowsy fable Keys and darkness help, but you can get out w/out them 🙂
(it just takes a lot of practice)
bitter valve
also there is one more cool spear tech which is
attack dash into dash without letting go of attack
then you can charge the spin earlier
hallow plank
Ahh. I never use spin (despite unlocking the aspect), but getting to jumpstart the timer might help that.
leaden charm
after a couple dozen runs with the bow i won with my first run with the rail
bitter valve
Generally people use it on enemy spawns which is the most applicable scenario
hallow plank
Makes sense
hallow plank
I tend to end up focusing on special builds with Spear, so the regular aspect is where I invested. Also the weapon my two current escapes are on.
Almost escaped the run prior to those two with Rail. I might give that a go again. Triple bomb with Weak was noice.
past berry
Hey there, where do I report bugs and other stuff?
drowsy fable
F10
past berry
Thank you
hallow plank
I just got RDR2 downloaded last night, but now I kind of want to go back in for more Hades when I get home after talking about it...
leaden charm
yeah i had triple bomb with weak and it helped a lot. also took infinity round and artemis' attack + crit thing and the arrows on hit. got the dual boon in the end for extra crit damage, felt pretty good. being able to launch off 3 specials to wipe out a burning skull easy was nice
magic oasis
When hades becomes v1.0 will the progress that I have made be saved?
teal terrace
I don't see why not, it's not a beta in an mmo or something where they server wipe
magic oasis
Thanks
thorny dust
Dude I just heard the Lament of Orpheus
By far one of the best songs in the game gave me chills man
flat vapor
global
lean dome
thanks!
vast turret
is there a way to quit a run midway through without purposefully running into enemy damage and dying
ember wadi
So I love this game a lot. A friend and I are planning to cosplay from the game. Is there somewhere that we can request for cosplay references? I know Dead by Daylight released break downs of what each killer and survivor was wearing for cosplayers. I was curious if there was a chance we could get something like that for Hades ❤️
crisp oyster
@vast turret when you are in menu, if it says "give up" it will end the run, if it says "quit" your run is saved up to the last time it saved.
lean dome
if i have unlocked one death defiance from the mirror, can i take the "replenish" option on shop to get to two death defiances? or does the max death defiance is 1 since i havent unlocked the second yet?
vast turret
i have no give up button
huh
now its replaced the quit button
man i dont understand this game
plush dagger
it shows ''Quit'' while you're out of combat, that way you can save your progress
vast turret
ohhh
hollow bane
Can you get more than 1 duo boon?
humble pulsar
You could technically have I think up to "infinite" but the practical most I've ever had is 3 or 4.
You can't technically have infinite cause Duo Boons require you to have a "primary" effect of the gods in question, and a run of Hades can't actually have all gods appear. There's always one or two that won't show up.
silver fulcrum
i swear to chaos i've don't tartarus only runs and i still haven't seen sisyphus
all i've been doing is finishing tartarus and swimming in lava asap
lusty coral
At last
I have reached maximum love with thanatos
So when can I start preparing my marriage ceremony with him
humble pulsar
Gotta finish dating ||Megaera|| too so you can get the ending where all your dates beat you up for dating everyone :kappa:
brisk trail
Don't shame.
scenic quarry
may be a dumb question but are any of those secret stashes at the bottom of the relic cabinet in the game yet?
lusty coral
I just keep trying to do dionysus runs so that he's drop me a pity nectar XD
Yes
They are from reaching max hearts with certain characters
Like thanatos and Megaera
scenic quarry
ahh gotcha, thanks ! i was thinking that'd be what i needed to do
lusty coral
Good luck!and keep some ambrosia in store for them
dreamy jay
Beat the game finally, spear, special, explosive, crit.
brisk trail
That one is 👌 .
lusty coral
Urgh...why cant I get the other shields to work >_>
I legitimately dont know how to build shield runs that arent Chaos Shield
timid fjord
thick remnant
I feel ya. I have 28 hours on it in 4 days xD
thick remnant
chiron aspect or nothing ty
thick remnant
Its good damage when u actually remember to load the bow with the casts
drowsy fable
I keep forgetting to actually press my cast button
I suspect that's why I die when I probably shouldn't
dusty igloo
I only like doing it when I have something that speeds it up, or if I need the damage bonus from having a cast in the bad guy
since it takes like a whole third of a second to cast
an eternity in hades time
drowsy fable
I'm still used to dota cast times, so I can usually be in good position to not get wrecked when I cast
thick remnant
Ive spent 11 blood to get chiron to level 4... hopefully that was a good idea X)
drowsy fable
I just literally forget
icy ridge
Congrats! What did you win with?
bronze hearth
well done
drowsy fable
To chaos right before the Hydra or not to chaos right before the hydra
Fuggit. Did it
drowsy vortex
still cannot beat stage 2 hades. I feel like i get good builds with Duo's and heroics, legendaries. Dmg is good, but that beam attack does so much...
wind rover
Find a wall and pray
flat vapor
you can stand near him while he does the lasers
wind rover
My fave wall is on the topleft corner
flat vapor
like, on top of him, the lasers don't hit you there
frozen wave
there's a solid block around the bottom right, normally I wait it out there
kind pollen
I beat him with the shield!
got a poison boon for the special and a doom boon for the attack
good combo
can you actually block the lasers with the shield?
I kind of forgot that it's a damage blocker too ngl
I just see that part as "getting ready for the rush attack"
because I am a fool
I use that block too Eden
the corners are a little iffy sometimes though
like I feel like the laser should be blocked but it still hits me
flat vapor
shield blocks the lasers yes
it's more reliable than the environmental blocking unfortunately, the lasers are a bit wonky
golden plume
is there any generic feedback form or is discord the only way to send feedback
oh well I don't care that much about what I wanted to send
void nova
@Llama#7820 you can press F10 in-game (or check the pins in the feedback channel here to see how to post there if you haven't)
flat vapor
f10 ingame is for bug reports, use the feedback channel for feedback
mint marlin
Is it just me or is stage 3 boss a pushover
fresh cliff
Anyone find the main attack of most weapons to be much weaker than the alt fire.
Like for spear I ended up just spamming alt fire never using a melee attack
For rail I just spam alt fire and run around
For sword I get deflect boon or knock back boon and just spam and nothing can touch me
For shield I just pretend to be captain America
Only the bow’s main attack seems to be worth using over the alt
mint marlin
thats mainly due to how dangerous melee is right now compared to range
brisk trail
There's still some very good melee builds.
random loom
You're missing out on dps if you're relying more on the special
fresh cliff
But there’s no reward for fast clears so you might as well take it slow
random loom
But where's the fun in that
high ravine
Is there a way for me to farm titan's blood?
flat vapor
do heat runs
night turret
Well, it's whole theme is that it is forbidden weapon.
Soooo it like 147% not in the myths.
high ravine
how do i get champions from npcs? i have ambrosia and in the wiki it says i need to do some quests first before i can give them to people, but how do i trigger the quests?
bitter valve
Give them a lot of nectars and talk with them
There are 4 npcs you can get familiars from
It will be very very obvious once you get there
Especially with skelly
frozen wave
What do I do with the npcs that have clock lookin things in the hearts
oak knot
you wait, those npcs story hasn't been developed fully yet
frozen wave
Ahh I see
maiden isle
Hi, i bought the game and steam said i would get a free copy of Pyre?
how do i claim this?
oak knot
open your inventory
maiden isle
Thank you 🙂
oak knot
no problem
latent folio
have a question
can someone explain this boon for me?
I don't understand its Max Gauge Bonus
(there are 5 slots for this call)
empty ferry
it triggers when you activate call with all 4 bars full
latent folio
what do I get from max gauge bonus
main plume
6
latent folio
ya, but it doesn't work like that in my test
still only 6secs
I thought it will be 6*6 =36 sec, but seems unlikely
so I tested and only get 6sec.
empty ferry
huh
if you are sure that the duration is 6 instead of 7.2 (6x 1.2) submit a bug report
thick remnant
why does athena's thing have 5 bard btw?
empty ferry
because each smol call is cheaper, so you can use it more often, i suppose, Nova
7.2 seconds of deflect is good
thick remnant
yeah... thats how i mess up hades
latent folio
Artemis' call has 5 segments, too
thick remnant
7.2 seconds of suck it, hades boi
latent folio
7.2 sec is good, but the bonus isn't comparable to other gods
feel too litte for me
thick remnant
can we just trash talk aphrodite's call tho?
drifting meteor
aphrodite call is great
thick remnant
LOL
latent folio
aphrodite's call is good when it's common rarity XD
still give you 2500 damage bonus
drifting meteor
it's literally hard cc
latent folio
rarity only increase charm duration
drifting meteor
one monster, regardless of how strong they are, will not attack you
thick remnant
very underwhelming compared to other calls tbh
drifting meteor
it genuinely ends boss encounters
thick remnant
why cc them when u can just dodge 
empty ferry
why dodge when you can cc and keep DPS-ing
thick remnant
why cc and dps when u can lose all 4 of your death defiances like a smart man and lose the run
checkmate
drifting meteor
thats the reason why i rank the athena call over the poseidon and ares one
it literally just gives you free damage
thick remnant
Athena's call is kreygasm
nocturne rampart
Athena's call the best
thick remnant
literally used it vs hades and he almost oneshot himself
would've lost the run without her call tbh
drifting meteor
Athena > aphrodite > artemis > ares > poseidon > zeus > dionysus
in terms of calls
empty ferry
ares is also free damage
thick remnant
aphrodite last on the list for me
empty ferry
i always take it when available in case i get his legendary later and then its gg
drifting meteor
issue with ares and poseidon calls are that the damage you get from them pales in comparison to the damage you'd be able to deal with your weapon in most cases
empty ferry
i agree with poseidon, but not ares
drifting meteor
athena and aphrodite on the other hand let you deal full weapon damage for free for x amount of time
only huge issue with aphro call for me is that it's blocked by shields
but i'd have to test more with ares call.
latent folio
it's interesting that you think Athena's call is the best
I should pick it up more often and see how it goes
there was a mistake on wiki about Ares' call
about its duration
I corrected, but it was 5sec per slot instead of 2.5sec
that's massive difference
night turret
Wiki is like 2/3 updates old sadly.
night turret
Check the pinned messages in that channel
tiny bobcat
ok, interesting. thanks ^^
random loom
Finished my 100th run
main plume
Why
night turret
... Why does that "Why" hit me like an existential crisis? Or atleast a waist-high wall.
tiny bobcat
i only finished 100th of something in Dota 2. i'm not able to keep going in single player games. I hope Hades will change that
dusty igloo
I went really hard on slay the spire
couldnt get into binding of isaac though
but I could see completing 100 runs of this
jolly lodge
I’ll be impressed when I see 100th completion of sunless sea
(tbh I’m pretty impressed with 100th run of hades too)
night turret
I got to a nice 200 few days ago and now just sit there now wanting to break the nice round number.
100 completed runs in Sunless sea sounds as Eldritch as the game itself is.
oak knot
people that completed 100 runs of cultist simulator are probably cultists in real life too
thick remnant
well... im doing a sword run
night turret
1000 hours in Heroes of might and magic didn't made a hero, so a logic a bit flawed.
thick remnant
good new is i got farther than ive ever been before
bad news is i lost all my death defiances and im bout to go vs ades with 94 hp
X)
thick remnant
unless i can somehow crap out a ton of aphrodite's call... im done for
might just keep using my cast since i have the ares artemis duo boon and run xD
dusty igloo
poseidon aspect too maybe could
oak knot
i mean 1000 matches of LOL probably makes me into one of the most toxic man ever
thick remnant
only 1000? xD
oak knot
that's just an example, i don't know how many hours have i sunk into LOL, played it since season 3
brisk trail
i should've sold my account ages ago
didn't ever really play it, i must be lvl 19 or sth
but i had access to the closed beta and got the king rammus skin thru that
which was worth a lot of cash before they added ways to get exclusive skins with their new currency system or w/e
oak knot
king rammus, riot girl tristana, those were the days
brisk trail
Any tips on bull guy and chad dude
They’re quite hard
kite asterius and kill him first, avoid theseus' shots and poke him after he recalls his spear
ares rifts, lightning bolts and poison go through his shield
Are all weapons viable? I’ve been rocking the gun and it’s pretty nice. Just wish I could move with it smh
yeah, they're all solid
dash more and you'll be golden
Kay
night turret
Or you can go with a slower approach, with a shield.
night turret
I mean, on bosses using block sparingly is a viable thing.
Other that that I just dashattack with shield like a madman.
brisk trail
does deflect on attack affect the block?
night turret
Only then you release it. the block itself just absorbs bullets and casts.
dusty igloo
I like to have something from athena that can deflect projectiles before the act 3 boss
once you get the timing down for theseus's spear it does quite a lot of damage back at him
brisk trail
wym the snake fight? bone hydra?
night turret
Zeus's shield aspect makes for a good bunker with Athena.
brisk trail
Yeah
dusty igloo
fated authority?
thick remnant
last thing in the mirror
dusty igloo
oh lmao
brisk trail
ye it's just supposed to be a timesink
dusty igloo
I mean there's gotta be a resource sink right
so darkness technically isnt worthless
thick remnant
thats a lot of darkness o-o
brisk trail
you don't have to finish it, it really isn't that useful
thick remnant
but my OCD cant let me
brisk trail
the first few are nice but 10 aren't necessary by any means
thick remnant
1k for the first level?! 
brisk trail
Is there a planned time for when the game is finished?
thick remnant
mid 2020 expected
brisk trail
don't worry, you'll have at least 1k hanging around before you unlock it
if you've filled everything else in the mirror
dusty igloo
I imagine even after it properly launches they'd still do content updates after
for slay the spire we got defect, watcher, and the heart all after launch
thick remnant
For an early access game, there's a ton of content
hope they can keep it up
cuz the game is so amazing
brisk trail
defect and heart came out before 1.0 iirc
I’m so glad I got it
I’ve been playing non stop
Also man the games voice acting is really good
thick remnant
IKR!
thick remnant
ima sample that and make a track with it 
dusty igloo
poseidon is best character
thick remnant
should prolly do a hades remix song thingie soon
if im not too busy... playing hades
brisk trail
nah, theseus is the best
thick remnant
Cerberus is the best pepega
brisk trail
if we're talking about overconfident idiots
dusty igloo
I'm kinda disappointed that you dont actually fight hercules
dusty igloo
just have his punch do actually 100 damage
brisk trail
This game sucks you can’t pet all of Cerberus’ heads
dusty igloo
Dont Get Hit™️
brisk trail
I hope they add brawler weapons
wary owl
You can pet the dog in Hades
brisk trail
only one weapon left
Nothing is more satisfying than killing bosses by dropping Bouldy on them.
What else could it be
betting on a scythe because demeter but yano
anything goes really
That’d be cool
what with the trojan war nunchucks in the game
thick remnant
or they can mess up the game and add some weird thing like thor's hammer for the memes?
dusty igloo
oh I could see that
brisk trail
Big boy hammer like in dauntless
thick remnant
I wanna beat the crap out of heads with a hammer
dusty igloo
one of the aspects could be good at breaking pillars
thick remnant
hades*
brisk trail
there are people in those stands you madman