Darren's voice is nice too but like, he could sound like Zag all the time
#h1-discussion
willow mural
faint sinew
hmm
guys what keep sake do you think is best
i feel like the 50 hp is sold
but the acorn is better for beating hades
lucid scaffold
viscid flicker
agreed with broken spearpoint, i always use it in the last biome
deep spade
I switch keepsakes a lot during a run
for the first two areas, either the coinpurse or a god keepsake for a specific boon
then the shackle in elysium for massive trap damage, because there's so many regenerating traps in elysium
then the spearpoint for styx, because styx and ||hades|| is a ton of multiple hit high burst damage attacks and spearpoint provides so much survivability there
kind iron
I like using Meg's keepsake for styx
faint sinew
im using the rail gun alot now
kind iron
Like, the last fight is where you're at your highest in terms of damage, but at your lowest in terms of HP
It just makes sense to me
faint sinew
makes sence
kind iron
But I beat the last boss for the first time using spearpoint
alpine tulip
Are there any requirements for getting the exit wounds boon? The wiki says there aren't any but I'm starting to doubt that. I've done quite a few Artemis runs with no luck.
faint sinew
what is exit wound
kind iron
I think it's really just luck
tacit ledge
happens, Ive had runs where I was aiming for doom or poison, got Ares and Di over and over
but no doom or poison
alpine tulip
Yeah that's the one exception iirc
viscid flicker
i think you need to take some cast-related boon from artemis first
faint sinew
do you guys know any good way to rake up the hammer upgrades
viscid flicker
before the exit wounds are offered
narrow karma
what is exit wound
Artemis boon, it makes your casts deal damage when they fall out of enemies
deep spade
exit wounds makes your cast gems deal damage when they pop out of the enemy
faint sinew
aah i see
deep spade
you can only get 2 hammers in a run
faint sinew
oh damn
static wadi
you know when u have some special boons
faint sinew
am i the only one that really likes the hermes keepsake?
just increases efective hp so much
with dodging
static wadi
which not make anything but buffs ur previous boons
Like Artemida's Clean Kill or Ares Black Metal
so when i sold previous boon next one is just staying there doing nothing
is it logical
narrow karma
they'd still buff other effects and future boons, I don't see an issue.
don't think it's the greatest idea to deliberately make one of your boons useless either
static wadi
well i just had to pick any boon in 1st room
i pick one less useless
and i got 2nd later
which made 1st one works better
wait
i was wrong sry
faint sinew
what do you guys think is the best call?
narrow karma
^^^
alpine stratus
dio call and zeus call are my fave
faint sinew
i like the aries aswell
true tree
I alllllmost nailed Meg last night. She whipped my butt in the end. 😦
deep spade
poseidon is also a good call because it makes you invulnerable, and it's better against large groups of enemies, but ares is better for boss killing
true tree
I haven't made it past that encounter yet.
tacit ledge
you just got to get used to her patterns
she bows down low she's gonna charge, a dash behind her or to the sides and its easily avoided
narrow karma
I rarely call except during boss fights, so poseidon always feels worse than ares to me
tacit ledge
she winds up a lot before she attacks
true tree
I had gotten a boon that made my sword strikes shoot out a shockwave or something. She was really not enjoying those. 🙂
static wadi
sword with waves?
tacit ledge
yeah there is a weapon upgrade that your attacks sends out waves
void nova
i do like the hermes keepsake @faint sinew the only thing i don't like is not getting to play around with any other keepsakes during the run
true tree
Yeah I wish I could remember which olympian gave it. It was the first time I had seen it.
tacit ledge
its a hammer upgrade
tacit ledge
they modify your weapons
static wadi
i remeber when i met 1st minibosses in tartarus
faint sinew
@void nova i feel that
faint sinew
but its like 20% extra hp during the enfight
static wadi
when i had that sword
narrow karma
and Zag said - i can make waves too
ooh nice
true tree
yeah the dialog in this game is something else
narrow karma
I was watching my friend play, and when he got to Zag and Meg snarking at each other I got it immediately
void nova
also i'm on board with ares/poseidon calls too, though i also kinda like artemis and aphrodite for high damage. zeus and dionysus are tough because you have to stay near the enemies, even though i'm often near enemies for some reason when i'm using a call i feel like it should be a change of pace somehow
i don't know if i've ever used the athena call, but...seems legit
faint sinew
i like the athena alot vs hades
tacit ledge
athena's call is great, I use it a lot if im doing melee builds
cuz u can stand in boss attacks and wail on them
true tree
My oldest was watching me play this weekend. I forgot that he was into Percy Jackson and all that, so he was like WHOAH? He's there? She's there? Is that so n such? I was like dang 11 year old nerdcicle, settle down
void nova
@mint shuttle you can get money from killing enemies in the survival rooms
tacit ledge
@true tree you'll find a lot of greek mythology nerds here :D
true tree
😛
tacit ledge
we were discussing who the new god is going to be and a lot of obscure gods were brought up
true tree
I had to give him grief. Anyhow he watched me for an hour... I think I'll stuff a copy in his steam account tomorrow night.
narrow karma
what was old festive fog?
I had to give him grief. Anyhow he watched me for an hour... I think I'll stuff a copy in his steam account tomorrow night.
I'm gonna cry, this is so cute
faint sinew
just the same but did alot more dmg
tacit ledge
thats really nice
mint shuttle
@void nova I feel like the money is capped. I'm not sure, but if you spam kill 100 enemies somehow you won't get more money than if you killed just the first 20. Sorta how you won't get infinite food drops from a room. I'd have to check again though
void nova
huh, i haven't noticed caps like that
faint sinew
the fog is pretty good for cc if everything else is single target
static wadi
lets imagine
if i beat final with only one weapon
and i start another game with other weapon and higher heat
i will have reward for beating bosses
but what about reward for normal heat?
is it already lost for me?
mint shuttle
no
mint shuttle
if you do heat 8 but are on heat 1, it'll give you heat 1 even if you're higher
deep spade
you can always get the reward for every heat level
mint shuttle
you don't get heat 8 unless you do up to heat 7
trail raven
I can rest in peace now 🙂 I did the 32 HEAT challenge after 4 days
static wadi
thx
mint shuttle
it tells you that you won't benefit from the increased heat past your current max
it's just torture at that point 😄
narrow karma
that doesn't seem fully right, I cleared with sword on 1 heat but not 0, so the last blood is still available on 1 heat for me
mint shuttle
that's... weird?
tacit ledge
did you beat sword on heat 0 before?
narrow karma
I did not
narrow karma
heat 1 shows all bounties cleared, heat 0 shows one question mark in the fourth box
mint shuttle
I'd report that as a bug
narrow karma
and heat 2 shows four question marks since I haven't attempted
I had assumed that was the intended design
tacit ledge
nah you can get all 4 rewards per heat level per weapon
mint shuttle
nah it doesn't let you go higher unless you've completed the previous since it says that you've exceeded it
static wadi
another question, about hammers. There some upgrades that cant be made together?
deep spade
yes, some hammer upgrades are incompatible
mint shuttle
yeah, you can use the wiki for specifics
deep spade
and some aspects are incompatible with certain hammer upgrades
tacit ledge
playing with hestia aspect and it offers you no reload 
deep spade
you can still reload your hestia shot with infinite chamber
mint shuttle
but it's not valuable really
deep spade
it's just that infinite chamber is useless because you want to reload
mint shuttle
it probably shouldn't be available tbh
would hestia be better with 1/1 bullets? instead of 1/12 or whatever?
and you don't need to manually do it
narrow karma
nah it doesn't let you go higher unless you've completed the previous since it says that you've exceeded it
just set and entered a 3 heat run on sword, though I haven't even touched 2 heat yet. was that what you meant?
deep spade
no, because sometimes you just want to finish an enemy that's on very low HP or you want to apply dio poison
mint shuttle
fair enough
faint sinew
i can never beat hades on the hardest dificulty
mint shuttle
@narrow karma you should be able to do any heat, you will just be rewarded for your lowest one. So it should give you rewards for 2 not 3. Try first boss
faint sinew
feelsbadman
mint shuttle
It just seems bugged for your heat 0, I'd say. Bit weird
Maybe heat 0 is it's own separate thing
and you can skip it and do heats lol
static wadi
is there sens to take 2nd hammer for Hiron aspect if i alredy have one for more Q arrow? chances for 2nd Q upgrade are rly low... And how good is it?
deep spade
hammer upgrades are always good
mint shuttle
I had to buy one from Charon. Didn't know that was a thing...
deep spade
the game will throw the hammer at you until you get two, so if it's a choice between a hammer and a boon, go ahead and take the boon
but hammer upgrades are pretty much always worth taking otherwise
mint shuttle
idk, sometimes you don't get one though. I always take a hammer if I get the chance
static wadi
upgrade may be good but chances for upgrade i need are rly low
mint shuttle
I don't think there are any bad upgrades
maybe ones that aren't amazing, but still useful in some way
static wadi
there may be upgrades i dont need
if i play through Q
any attack changes gives me nothing
mint shuttle
you don't have to go for the hammer if you don't want to
but if all you have is the +arrows, I think taking the chance to get the pierce is worth it. Even if you don't get it, it's worth the risk
faint sinew
ive been trying the rail gun out and ive egen baught the blood upgrades for it
and tbh its pretty bad
mint shuttle
wait.
you can't get pierce with chiron
they said that they removed it because it would just hit the same enemy until it died
mint shuttle
the only hammer upgrade you can get with the chiron bow is "Relentless Barrage - Your Special shoots +4 shots."
(for the special)
mint shuttle
Because if it pierces the enemy
static wadi
i didnt understand
mint shuttle
😄
deep spade
because the chiron arrows didn't disappear once they pierced an enemy
mint shuttle
would've loved to see that
static wadi
yeah
deep spade
they just hit over and over and over until the thing died
static wadi
so there is no sense for 2nd hammer i guess
mint shuttle
guess not
static wadi
thx
faint sinew
am i the only one who can only do like one or max 2 runs per session
before i rq
xd
narrow karma
no comment
mint shuttle
idk about ragequit, I enjoy going back to town so I can chat to people
and then I look at renovations and see music... THEN I RAGEQUIT
narrow karma
I enjoy going back to town so I can chat to people
this is maybe the best part of the game after the voicing, even death feels like a reward
static wadi
i'm trying to look at failed runs like at the way to get more darkness
and become better
narrow karma
how far along are you, upgrading the mirror?
narrow karma
ye
narrow karma
bc runs get much easier when you have a lot of stuff ranked, and especially when half your boons start off at rare or epic
static wadi
and 12 and 12
as i remeber
i didnt open last 4 skills
and have max lvl all other skills
oh
another question
about duo
for example
Deadly Strike, Deadly Flourish, Hunter Dash or Artemis' Aid
there is OR
doest it mean i must have 3 ANY boons
or i need 1st 2nd and 4th OR 3rd?
deep spade
it means any one of those boons
narrow karma
@mint shuttle looks like I got the 2 heat reward for beating 1st boss, despite being on a 3 heat run
edit: 2 heat reward for 2nd boss too
native rose
does anyone know the final ammount of titan blood needed to max every weapon
static wadi
wiki knows
native rose
prolly does
static wadi
5 15 16 for bow
static wadi
yup
native rose
180 titan blood
native rose
definitley
static wadi
and some other way to get blood
static wadi
buth there is still much
native rose
bounties are great
static wadi
ahd shops
native rose
dont see anything else of the kind to add
static wadi
what?
echo wolf
does "break free from the realm in which he was born" mean beating the first biome or the last biome?
echo wolf
weird, since I got the 1000 darkness one complete before winning
does it count wins from before the newer biomes were implemented?
I had it "complete" when I first got the list, even though the last time I won was when the second biome was the last one.
tulip ravine
Convinced some people to buy the game \o/
@echo wolf maybe it got grandfathered in, like the complete trigger remained the same.
tropic wave
I appreciate that the bug report screenshots are numbered, since it gives me a sense of how many bugs I've reported.
static wadi
is it me or chaos gates are MUCH rare in more heat lvl?
livid ingot
Hera bow, Ares cast + Legendary Ares boon (extra blade vortex damage on consecutive hits) + Artemis/Ares duo (seeking blades) + cast fires additional projectile + vacuuming blade vortex
Final boss didn't stand a chance against 6 scaling blade vortices. I just wish I got Artemis's +3 ammo boon...
brisk trail
happened to me to
killed the final boss inb about 15seconds
sad that these runs dont happen at 32heat
brisk trail
how do you kill the final boss in 15 seconds
i cant even do it in like 5 minutes
I cant even it do it in general
mint shuttle
having a very specific build, and also playing a lot
mint shuttle
It gets easier
jolly helm
Who do I contact about missing copy of pyre when purchasing hades?
jolly helm
Yes I did. Numerous times
proud orbit
that would be steam support to contact since it's a failure of their system
jolly helm
So steam delivered me hades but not the gift able copy of pyre ?
proud orbit
if you bought hades on steam you should have a giftable copy of pyre in your inventory, if not then steam is at fault somehow
jolly helm
Is there someone on here from the devs that deals with the missing gift issue,or an email to their customer service ?
proud orbit
Steam support will be the most helpful to you
wanton shard
gift me this game 🙂
jolly helm
No, I'll be actually selling it, if I ever receive it.
brisk trail
hades
steam sale
hades
steam sale (yuh)
purchased it and gave pyre 2 my best friend (skkrt)
died a bunch to minotaurs it'll never end (brrrrat)
limpid bough
how do i farm titan blood consistently?
proud orbit
complete the game with all weapons, then play on heat
alternatively play for money and save it up to the last biome, ||the temple of styx|| where you can purchase it
barren rune
Best boon on Chaos shield special?
I've been having solid success on Zeus for that good flat damage increase, since it's multiple 15-damage hits. Maybe Ares?
uncut thorn
question: does hypnos have anything to say about it if you get killed by an olympian's aoe effect in one of the challenge rooms?
hexed smelt
i don't think he does!
eager grove
do we have speed running categories yet? The only two i can think of would be normal mode no heat and hell mode heat 46 (if that's even possible, lol)
hexed smelt
there's really just any% (with die% as a joke category) at the moment
proud orbit
hell mode heat 46 is impossible 
opaque nexus
Has anyone beaten it
proud orbit
i dont think so
full jury summons, full calesthenics and full damage controls is probably gonna mean you'll run out of time
brisk trail
You'd probably set Heat levels in increments of five, or in Skelly Statues.
proud orbit
this is beyond the power of skelly statues
brisk trail
I'm finding 32 to not be possible without a "perfect" run.
proud orbit
i did 33 heat on hell mode yesterday, what weapon are you running?
brisk trail
Shield and Rail.
proud orbit
time to switch to hestia hey 
brisk trail
What is your Heat set-up?
proud orbit
will post in gameplay
vagrant totem
alright
run #12 and im fighting the final boss for the 2nd time
lets hope i win this one
i only barely beat the ||man and bull||
strong heron
what's die%?
vagrant totem
eh?
haughty raptor
o wow hey yall
strong heron
oh i totally died in the first room my first ever run of this game
haughty raptor
i saw on the steam community achievements will be added just really curious if they will lock in automatically or if we'll have to replay to get them? if anyone knows
harsh fulcrum
Does the dash only have i-frames for the first part of the dash or only against certain abilities? Dodging through stuff feels inconsistent without Athena dash
fleet surge
why can't i post in #hades-feedback
brisk trail
Read the pinned messages. Says so at the top of the room.
fleet surge
ty
vagrant totem
Why isn't there a wiki page for ||Hades as a boss||?
brisk trail
Because the people who were taking care of the Wiki haven't found the time to do so since before the Big Bad Update.
fleet surge
you just need to level up more
brisk trail
That's helpful.
fleet surge
i beat him on the 22nd attempt and then the next 4 after that
brisk trail
Any attacks specifically you're dying to, Brodie?
vagrant totem
how hard the ads he summons are, how many times he uses the ||spin and skulls||
yeah, the|| spin attack and when he summons like 50 skulls at once||
brisk trail
Skulls, or vases?
vagrant totem
or when he summons the ||butterfly ball||
the skulls that explode and cause a wave in a circle around them
brisk trail
Okay, so that's his Cast.
Avoid that, because he has Boiling Blood too, and it's better than yours.
brisk trail
Upgrade your mirror more.
vagrant totem
oh wait i do have boiling blood
its kinda useless though since im using hera bow + dio cast
I set up for 3 duos and didnt get any of them
brisk trail
Duos are capricious. I think that could actually use changing, I think they have something else under the hood when it comes to them spawning, and I don't like it.
vagrant totem
yeah hopefully
brisk trail
I just quit out of a run that refused to spawn Hunting Blades across six boon pick-ups.
vagrant totem
congrats!
alpine stratus
🙌 nice!!
true tree
I was stuck hard at 15, and everyone on my way through the house was like oh, she spanked you AGAIN. You kinda suck!
and Skelly was like dude turn on God mode! I was like uhh no?
then... it's like ok look today's your day. have this boon have this boon, go nuts. and it was epic 😛
strong heron
good job!!
first time you beat a boss is always [chef kiss]
you should feel proud!!
also does skelly have god mode related dialogue now?
latent folio
Can Euridyce's Ambrosia Delight turn Epic into Heroic?
radiant tangle
Yes
vagrant totem
euridyce must be some kind of god to be able to get enough ambrosia from man and bull to make that much free food
gaunt ridge
just thinking... is it possible to clear the game on the very first run you start with?
radiant tangle
It's possible, yeah
vagrant totem
Is there an easy way to get more titan blood after beating Tartarus with all the weapons?
proud orbit
your options are Heat, wait for Broker deals, ||get to Styx and purchase one from Charon for about 1000 obols|| or ||defeat the final boss||
vagrant totem
1500 gold in zone 4 seems really hard to achieve
radiant tangle
||1500||
proud orbit
||right, 1500||
brisk trail
Getting 1500 is possible with the Poseidon boon or Chaos boon that gives extra money.
vagrant totem
well this run seems great so far
started with tipsy shot on my hera bow
1st room i get a zeus boon and it's lightning strike
3rd boon duo time ;););)
vagrant totem
oh jesus christ
3rd boon is from this room
lmfao
maybe my 3rd boon will be a duo
dang, didnt get it from either but still made the game more likely to give me dio and zeus now
flat vapor
duos can't be gotten from trial rooms
flat vapor
well narratively it doesn't make sense since they're vying for your attention
balance-wise i'm guessing it was way too easy to get duos
they made this change a whileeee back
harsh fulcrum
So what does giving more than one Nectar to someone do? It ads a little heart thing, but it doesn't seem to do anything in practice or fill out the codex any
flat vapor
unlocks more conversations and events, and counts for the conversation counter in the codex
with a certain few, you get something extra towards the end (those are also the only ones that can be maxed out atm)
flat vapor
currently ||thanatos, meg, sisyphus, and skelly, but getting orpheus to his current max nets you something special as well||
||that is, orpheus gets you something special that doesn't affect gameplay||
brisk trail
||Thanatos and Megaera are also the current only romance options after maxing them out if you choose||
harsh fulcrum
Thanks, I couldn't find anything about this on the wiki
flat vapor
wiki's been outdated for a while, people get busy
vagrant totem
still havent met thanatos lmao
crimson flicker
deft gull
you can
flat vapor
^
deft gull
But if you do that, you can't give him a gift in the house
flat vapor
you can gift him before his convo in a run
deft gull
You can only gift him before his convo in the house too
he disappears after you talk to him. at least, that's always happened for me
(yes I did reload the first time that happened)
vagrant totem
why is there no romance option with charon
he is such a charismatic guy
he just has a way with words
deft gull
Everybody should be a romance option >_> Everybody
brisk trail
I love his quote "Mrrhnnh". it's so profound and deep.
deft gull
(Okay, probably not Hades or Nyx.)
granite pecan
he doesn't always vanish after a conversation. it depends on which dialogue it is and how dramatic he's feeling
deft gull
I guess he's just always feeling dramatic
I'm still in the early stages of conversation with him though. I kind of wish he spawned more consistently
opaque nexus
Skelly needs a friend
brisk trail
He has ||3 lovely golden statues of himself|| as company
opaque nexus
Tbh Sisyphus is top tier husbando
vagrant totem
what about
opaque nexus
Oh about Charon, I bet he and Bouldy would get along well
opaque nexus
Bouldy and charon are truly the great poets of this generation
vagrant totem
power couple right there
deft gull
If you want Sisyphus, it has to be poly with Bouldy
there's no way you could get between those two
remote lily
It's truly just supergiants power to make buldy such popular xd no other even aaa devs could do it haha 😂
opaque nexus
Other games have done that
deft gull
There's always the companion cube
opaque nexus
^
deft gull
and at least the companion cube only has eyes for you. No need to share it with somebody else 😂
opaque nexus
Not a game but the ball from castaway
vagrant totem
he has a name
opaque nexus
Wilson
deft gull
Wilson
opaque nexus
I think
vagrant totem
use it
opaque nexus
Wasn’t sure
deft gull
next popular visual novel: date these round objects
opaque nexus
Ranking inanimate objects based on how good of a husband/wife they would be
brisk trail
Personally the Adamant Rail has been a devoted partner to Zagreus in my playthroughs.
opaque nexus
Besides some shields it’s the only weapon with a large face
vagrant totem
hera bow be getting freaky w zag js js
opaque nexus
The way he pulls on the string 😩
vagrant totem
when he loads you with 4 bloodstones 😳
harsh fulcrum
What does upgrading Hera bow do?
deft gull
it lets you load your cast into your regular attack
so you can shoot the bloodstones. If you have a good cast boon, you do a lot of damage
vagrant totem
does that work with tipsy shot from dio?
proud orbit
nope
proud orbit
it always has the same duration
well it's either good or useless
but never bad
like it doesn't make anything worse
vagrant totem
i mean
opaque nexus
My highest levelled aspect is nemesis ama
vagrant totem
it uses your titan blood
proud orbit
bad use of titan blood tho yeah
harsh fulcrum
It doesn't seem that bad if you run artemis cast
brisk trail
It stacks with Artemis boon that reduces cast-drop time right?
oak knot
only tried poseidon sword once, seems like it requires a very specific setup to be good, otherwise it's horrible
finite cypress
I would also say that you dont want a faster drop time typically
since you get that boiled blood buff
brisk trail
its useful against bosses.
harsh fulcrum
Its usefull when the majority of your damage is in the cast itself
But like Grey said, only against bosses
Because normal units die in one hit anyways
opaque nexus
I’ll try it but probably won’t like it as much as pure melee
Melee sword is too fun
finite cypress
So speaking of cast anyone else feel that the cast over an area like blade rift and festive fog kinda suck for the fact they take a 50% damage boost away from you?
I mean they can be built to be fairly formidable tbh but you have to get 3-4 other things from.the god to get to that point
harsh fulcrum
Well I think they just serve different purposes. Festive fog is amazing if you aren't going for a cast build since it stuns and does good damage and applies an effect for whatever-its-called. Blade rift does require a bit to get it working, the Athena duo to be specific, but it is absolutely amazing when it does start working as it does large amounts of damage with you being able to hide behind a pillar and not take damage while you kill everything.
And its only 2 things needed to make it worthwhile, so its not that bad
finite cypress
Well I'm not stating for cast build but any buld that doesnt use cast, idk I use the 50% damage increase as a major source of dps increase on bosses and elits
prime mulch
goddammit i've been doing run after run to unlock different interactions + trying to meet ||Thanatos|| and after 3 unsuccessful runs I found out that ||you need to take damage 5 chambers in a row for him to show up???|| I cry...
finite cypress
Is that just for a first time?
noble plinth
for real? o_O
finite cypress
I feel like hes shown up at times that hasnt happened but to be hoenst idk
prime mulch
I rarely see ||Meg|| too :/
noble plinth
not all the time, but almost
prime mulch
||Not after I fight her sisters ||which is quite often
So I can't gift her that often
noble plinth
the next heart for her ||has another color with a keyhole. It means i need an ambrosia for progress?||
prime mulch
I guess so
noble plinth
ok, i will see in the evening, i guess
prime mulch
Okay I'm gonna test but the 5 chamber rule
finite cypress
You may be describing the time locked off oens though
Ones that arent in the game yet
prime mulch
||Thanatos|| you will accept my nectars whether you want it or not
finite cypress
||he does not||
Hey I wanted to ask people how much they actually use the God keepsakes?
Idk 10%-20% increase rarity chance just seems under whelming
I guess very slight curation of your boons is good but it's still really limited
granite pecan
i use god keepsakes almost every young. theyre very good for setting up what boon you want to start with, and having loose control over the build you want
flat vapor
in addition with the mirror upgrades, you have a very high chance of getting a rare+ boon
vagrant totem
What builds should I try out to try and beat the final boss for the first time? I consistently get to him but always lose when he's at 33% hp or less
flat vapor
and they're great for setting up good builds
the ares/artemis duo boon, hunting blades
vagrant totem
what weapon?
finite cypress
Hoenslty its hard to suggest any one build there is alot of viable ones
vagrant totem
hera bow?
flat vapor
just need ares cast and artemis attack or special or aid
any weapon, really, cause it's a cast build
vagrant totem
would hera bow be best since it's a cast build?
vagrant totem
cool ill try it
ok so far i have the artemis/zeus duo
with the artemis cast
haven't seen a single ares offered yet lmao
vagrant totem
the athena/artemis duo is available too
finite cypress
I think best practices is to try and limit yourself to 2-3 gods this tends to help you get he better loot
brisk trail
Deadly Reversal is fantastic.
vagrant totem
I don't have any amazing deflect abilities yet
only my attack reflects and most of the time i just do a tiny attack to get the homing arrow out
So, I picked up the artemis keepsake after tartarus, but my next boon after picking it up is hermes ?
i thought it guaranteed artemis
brisk trail
Hermes breaks the rules.
vagrant totem
i see
small glade
Hermes isn't like a normal Olympian
Like he doesn't upgrade your attack or special or have any special effects or specific synergies
He just gives speed buffs
Speaking off, how do I maximise my chanced of getting his "total recall" boon?
brisk trail
Sacrifice a goat.
You can only get Greater Recall for your 2nd or 3rd Hermes boon, I'm not sure if you have to have a Cast-related Hermes boon for it or not.
vagrant totem
small glade
That's... interesting
vagrant totem
I take the legendary here right?
brisk trail
What's the rest of your kit?
small glade
Depends on the build
vagrant totem
since my only deflect is my attack?
brisk trail
Oh, no, that's great.
small glade
Fully loaded is useful if you have her true shot or another great cast
brisk trail
Unless you never Attack, or your Cast is super loaded.
brisk trail
Yeah, Legendary.
small glade
But Deadly reversal is good too
vagrant totem
also works well with my zeus artemis duo
I'll probably pick up deadly reversal later
im only on asphodel
hopefully i can pick up the athena dash before then
small glade
Mans got a lot of boons
vagrant totem
ive skipped a few
finite cypress
I've had 4 rows of boons before
vagrant totem
holy cow
i just one shot every single head of the bone hydra
oh my god
i just got the boon giving my cast a 2nd arrow
i now fire 13 arrows at once with my attack
it lags my game lmfao
velvet sigil
You should try to get the Aeries/ Artemis Duo
noble plinth
btw
from which gods i can take Vengeful mood
for fated list
I guess Ares with someone
velvet sigil
Do you know about the ||olympian keepsakes||?
velvet sigil
They are fun to mess around with
vagrant totem
man and bull has been purged
i got the athena/artemis duo
just need more deflect
luckily there's 2 athena boons in zone 4
undone pine
i got Poseidon and Zeus duo the other day damage is insane plus i got shotgun mode from Daedalus
push them into wall they cant do anything
vagrant totem
alrighty
final boss time
will i beat him for the first time? lets find out
oh heck is there a|| phase 2??||
I WON
1 HP LEFT
YEAH
oak knot
congrats
lament hare
GG
latent folio
in terms of call, which god do you prefer?
proud orbit
Speaking from high heat standpoint, any that give impervious
latent folio
I prefer Ares/Artemis > others
oak knot
i would pick Zeus for the damage output alone but then i remembered it's so hard to see anything with that filter
proud orbit
Also gotta stand real close
latent folio
@proud orbit so, Zeus, Dionysus, Aphrodite, Artemis don't give impervious or invulnerable status
whose call has highest damage output with above 4 gods?
Zeus or Artemis?
oak knot
yeah stand real close and hard to see makes it quite difficult in boss fights
tall cloak
depends on your other boons and the rarity, right?
if we're just using base damage and looking at the numbers full gauge aphrodite does 2500 damage, right? But i wouldn't use it in general because that's not reflective of most situations
proud orbit
Aphrodite used to be able to cheese and skip boss phases but they took it out
So it's kinda worthless
Enemies are too slow to get benefit out of charm
Zeus is the highest dps iirc
tall cloak
you can definitely scale pretty well with zeus and dionysus
proud orbit
Artemis charges the fastest so it's the best with Zeus's "increased damage after call"
Athena is good for blocking single attacks you're like "yep there's no way I'm dodging this"
Ares keeps you impervious the longest
And poseiden is pretty good but it does force you to move a lot
latent folio
why does Artemis charge the fastest?
tall cloak
i hesitate to say zeus is the highest without a specific build in mind though; like if you have low tolerance and black out it definitely feels stronger than zeus's call even with double strike and splitting bolt
they just balanced it that way right now
proud orbit
Her god gauge is in 6 segments rather than 2
Er
Rather than 4
Most of them have 4 segments
Artemis has 6 and Athena has 5
Still charges at the same rate but his the threshold to be usable more quickly
Since you need ~17% of the gauge rather than 25%
proud orbit
Also Dio's is less impressive since you can just as easily apply the posion with attacks but Zeus just hits hard
Yep just check out the gauge when you get a call
tall cloak
i'm fine with less impressive if it ends up being easier to deal damage! 😛
proud orbit
If you have no other poison it's good
But substantially more useless if you apply poison with other stuff~
latent folio
agree on Dio's call
wicked wind
i don't think i ever took dio's call, it feels very underwhelming
aphro sounds good in theory but some bosses are immune to damage beyond their threshold-activated phases i think so it's really meh
restive frigate
I was wondering, Dionysus' call poison does more damage than boon-activated poison, but when the call is active do all type of poison damage increase?
wicked wind
also i've had her 2500 damage projectile be blocked by a shield guy in elysium and it immediately went to garbage tier
i think no?
i dont use dio a lot but i think each stack deals damage equal to the poison attack that afflicts it
restive frigate
That'd make sense yeah
wicked wind
idk how Supergiant implements it, but its also possible that if the stacks are full then stronger poison will override the weakest ones
it wouldn't be impossible to implement
wicked wind
no idea, but i thought that means its still in development?
limpid bough
oh really?
proud orbit
Yeah gonna come in a later update
latent folio
a question about Are's Blade Rift
Damage Interval: 0.1 Sec, is this apply to all of his call/dash/cast?
want to know how much damage increased by Vicious Cycle
proud orbit
Applies to all of them afaik
static wadi
Good Day people
wind rover
what are the low and high rolls for sunken treasure
latent folio
I heard someone said you can get bouns effect with sunken treasure (ie. pick up gems and get $20 / pick up darkness and get 5hp)
is that true? because I tested it couple hours and it didn't work.
wind rover
oh that's from the uh
renovation effects
there's a renovation that lets you get 5 hp everytime you pick up darkness
likewise for the gems
latent folio
yes, I do have those renovation effects
but it didn't work with sunken treasure
I'll try it if I have chance to meet sunken treasure
brisk trail
afaik the renovation effects only affect gem/darkness/nectar rooms, not pickups
latent folio
ya, that's what I thought after I failed
wind rover
is there a chance to get daedalus hammer from fated authority?
latent folio
yes, but I am not sure if you can get 3rd with fated authority
wind rover
3rd?
latent folio
some people said you can get 2 hammer at most per run.
brisk trail
troves are your friend
brisk trail
75 once you buy the trove upgrades
static wadi
Guys how do you play with melee weapon
Elysium is killing me so fast and hard
especially this wheel thing
as big as little
brisk trail
running the kamikaze chariots into walls kills them if you weren't already aware
best way to avoid them exploding on you with melee
otherwise just never stop moving and use your build to do what you do best
and yes nemean chariots can be a pain
oak knot
or block explosion with your op shield
static wadi
little things with cat noises are not so bad
at least they hit you once
and if you are not fast enough - big one will hit you 2 or 3 times
and it may be 30-45 hp
it's a lot
wind rover
all melee have some form of ranged so i use those for the minichariots
sword with slam, spear with throw/recall, shield with throw
static wadi
it's not that powerful
static wadi
all temple is clear?
wind rover
one more, but i already found the sac and idk if the chance of getting hurt more is worth the titan's blood
oak knot
it's totally worth it
static wadi
i remeber when i had last one way and full hp with 1 death recap
found big satir there and diead(
barren rune
How do you end up banking enough money by that point? 😮
wind rover
by not buying anything throughout the run
i avoid charon like the plague
ayyy got 1500
now just gotta not use a deathdefy
static wadi
why so?
brisk trail
to try and kill the final boss with as much health as possible with their current resources
wind rover
i can probably beat hades this round since i got athena's atk boon a few ago
helps a ton
static wadi
@brisk trail i dont get it
brisk trail
do you know what a dd is?
wind rover
darkest dungeon 
brisk trail
death defiance is something you unlock at the mirror that revives you at 50% hp when you die @static wadi
oak knot
devil dagger
narrow karma
dream daddy
brisk trail
and they're saying that they've got to not die in the final wing of the final level before facing the final boss
so as to have as much hp as possible
is all
brisk trail
what's your first language?
brisk trail
aight, what is it then?
static wadi
i wanted to know why did he avoid charon all game long
brisk trail
to buy an overpriced item at the last shop
static wadi
1500?
brisk trail
yep
brisk trail
grats
static wadi
wp
wind rover
shield is still broken
brisk trail
you'll get better dw
wind rover
it's a learning process
static wadi
mbmb
brisk trail
but spending your cash does help you win a run yeah
narrow karma
I figure once you get good enough to clear somewhat consistently, it's worth it to save coins for the resource at the end
since you want to get that stuff as soon as you can, and it's harder to "waste" your coins on later runs and higher heats
wind rover
"dont spend it all in one place", zagreus says as he spends all 1500 obols in one purchase
wind rover
spam dodge and pray
narrow karma
spam bow special and yeet
wind rover
gods, why do i keep getting the high-end renovs
static wadi
russian translate >_<
wind rover
5k for a bloody shelf
narrow karma
yeah I can't fathom how long I need to farm gems for that one
wind rover
if you need the keys, sure
im partially done with farming keys for now myself
narrow karma
not too bad if you're still unlocking aspects
wind rover
those take a whilew
narrow karma
you will soon enough
proud orbit
Always easier to get more keys than blood
narrow karma
especially since blood is hard to get when you don't even have mirror fully unlocked
narrow karma
i would unlock them all first, so you can try out each style
wind rover
you also get a reward for unlocking all so there's that
proud orbit
Unlock a few and find out which playstyle you enjoy
Most get significantly stronger with upgrades
So find which is fun for you
wind rover
nemesis or bust
narrow karma
lol
static wadi
i rly love chiron aspect
narrow karma
badly
narrow karma
was chiron the seeking special bow? still trying to get the names
narrow karma
I think it's normally only one stack
wind rover
dang
narrow karma
not sure even the boon lets you put multiple at once?
wind rover
i think i remember the boon wording as "doom deals more the more you apply it" or some sort
narrow karma
Your Doom effects deal more damage when applied multiple times.
I just took it to mean the second time deals more damage, etc.
wind rover
huh
narrow karma
haven't done a doom run in a while, maybe I'll test it out next
static wadi
blade rift looks cooler for me
static wadi
and ares+artemida duo is death for everything
wind rover
the ares/aphro duo is just a better poison
static wadi
well
lament hare
Engulfing Vortex > Flame Wheels
static wadi
it's the only duo i played in this version tbh
and i won with that
no weapon
only cast
proud orbit
With the doom stacking thing, the damage increases by about 10 for each other doom
Aphro/Ares duo is a worse version of poison btw its pretty weak
The plus side of it is it keeps privileged status active
But it doesn't do that much damage since it does 25% damage each time
So if your doom does 100
It'll do 100 then 25 then 5 then 1 and expire
proud orbit
It really sucks
narrow karma
oh wow that's worse than I thought
proud orbit
I've posted feedback for it to be buffed
narrow karma
I assumed it would be 100/25/25/25
limpid bough
oh mb
narrow karma
delet delet
limpid bough
im sorry
wind rover
hay dees
proud orbit
Noh worries
proud orbit
Yes or it'd be easier to ask in gameplay or spoilers where spoilers are allowed lol
wind rover
lmoa chill, it's the name of the game
static wadi
btw in russian he called Aid
proud orbit
But yes for the Ares/Aphro I assumed it would keep doing 25%
How disappointed I was
proud orbit
They always ask 5/10/15 depending on biome uwu
wind rover
static wadi
how does last mirror skill works?
proud orbit
Fated Authority?
noble plinth
you can alter chamber reward
proud orbit
When you go up to a door you can press G to reroll it into a different one
noble plinth
but there are some limitations
proud orbit
Or whatever the game pad bind is
narrow karma
each rank gives you a little dice thing, the same one you get from upgraded keys
noble plinth
like two groups of rewards, the thing from the first cannot be altered to the the thing from the second
wind rover
when it says "gain x hp", is it like, a perma +x to your health pool or just restore x
wind rover
nice
static wadi
wait wait
narrow karma
usually max HP is a regular heart, while healing is a heart with green specks
static wadi
if next room has some reward i dont like
i can change it for some other random reward?
narrow karma
yes.
noble plinth
yup
but again
there are some rules
there was a picture in one of the channels
wind rover
that's fated authority, yes
static wadi
does this thing have charges or what?
noble plinth
yup
narrow karma
each rank gives you one roll
if you roll to another thing you still don't like, too bad, you used up that first roll already
you can roll it again tho
like Darkness > Key > Nectar
wind rover
oh wow, this is a very specific duo-boon
noble plinth
but these ranks are pretty expansive
1k for first, 2k for second and so on
so looks like it's better to upgrade mirror for boons rarity first
indeed
wind rover
ye but i actually need to aim to utilise hestia
and gotta say, so far she's doing better than expected
proud orbit
Both are great on hestia
wind rover
i took the boom boom
proud orbit
I've been leaning towards piercing more lately
boom is good for aoe
the only reason i take piercing is ||it pierces brightshield and thesus's shields so you don't have to hit them in the back||
proud orbit
naughty
proud orbit
lol
explosive shot is good still
since it triggers off your empowered shot too
makes it a small aoe
latent folio
does anyone know how much darkness you can get from killing last boss?
proud orbit
i'm not actually sure
narrow karma
i think they give 40?
latent folio
if I remembered correctly, 44/96/144 darkness are for 1st~3rd boss
wind rover
by that logic it'd be around 200? more or less
proud orbit
that makes sense to me
wind rover
but you can just farm darkness from the rotating darkness boon, so
proud orbit
you just farm darkness by playing the game
builds up pretty quickly
especially if you upgrade it
then you'd be taking it for the hp too
wind rover
dont have that yet cause the game doesnt want me to heal
proud orbit
healing 
latent folio
I don't need to farm darkness, but I am writing some guides for people in my country
a lot of people want to know the best way to farm darkness when they start
proud orbit
well what alfeyo said is a good idea too
narrow karma
yeah, if you're asking then you're likely still new, so it would be good to explore the rotating bonus weapons instead of sticking to one
wind rover
i always rotate to where the boon is, keeps from stagnating the gameplay experience
sticking to one wep makes it boring fast
wind rover
proud orbit
cleared 33 yesterday and am tryin 35 now
wind rover
tirplenade rail or bust
proud orbit
the triplenade is gud
narrow karma
I'm still new to this type of endgame
the increasingly pricey collectibles are more what I'm used to
narrow karma
one of these days I'll hit 5k gems
and then they'll all see how much I love to read
wind rover
i think there's multiple 5k renovs
narrow karma
oh no
proud orbit
if you have revenge boons they trigger automatically every few seconds
they're boons that activate when you take damage
proud orbit
if it's offered to you, then you have one
it's not offered unless you have a revenge boon
it can be any revenge boon
perhaps "After you take damage, your foe is struck by lightning."?
proud orbit
Aphrodite has a Weak inflicting revenge boon too
wind rover
can aphrodite's call charm asterius into fighting theseus
proud orbit
yes but charms last for veri reduced durations on bosses
wind rover
how veri
proud orbit
veri veri
static wadi
oh about theseus
when he call for gods help
it's help of some god u dont have boon right?
proud orbit
yes
static wadi
and is it possible to have all usual gods boons?