#h1-discussion
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More ranks = more respawns
Aw dang, that's pretty good then
Oh, I thought it meant you respawned with more health
That would explain why I respawned twice in that run
I have an awful memory so I kinda chalked it up to that
Death defying is top tier
I think the wording could be revised, 'cause that's what I thought too @stiff trellis
i think the priority on mirror upgrades early is 2nd dash > health when you enter room > death defy
I'm not quite sure how I'd word it to make it more clear though
I don't have the game open to look at it right now, but I'll try to remember to look at it later and maybe submit to feedback
Btw I'm gonna go test out what happens when you throw a spear on a spike trap then walk onto it
Also I'll try and get pos cast and throw and enemy onto it too
can i quit and come back to where i was?
old spiked collar feels too OP and I don't want to change it to anything else so far
The Achilles one is just bad I think. Even if it had no downsides and was just 20% armor from the front the collar might still be better
and to the surprise of absolutely nobody, it's the stupid idiot skeleton bombers that kill me AGAIN
:((( i hate those pot bastars.......
Naming them pests was a good idea tbh
lost to meg just now :/
i failed to get to her now :/
She's just way too tanky
she isn't hard, she just takes too much time and I got sleepy and die
Ok so putting a spear on spikes and steeping on the trap still sets it off because you pick up the spear
If the spear's on a spike trap and an enemy steps on it or is knocked onto it, the trap won't go off unless you bring the spear back to you
I usually complete the first zone with the shield of chaos. It is very broken for closed and small spaces. But I think the second zone is better with the bow. Any build recommended for the first zone carrying the bow? I'm sorry for my English, I'm using google translator.
then google should feel sorry ๐ค
every time i get to asphodel it feels less like i die because of a lack of skill and more that i die because of the absolute visual mess that goes on there
and how little space i get to move around in
oh in asphodel i have to lower my resolution a bit just to survive it
Ugh got trapped in a room with a "Survive for 45 seconds" and it just spawned a ton of the floating skull spawners
And within 15-20s there were so many of them I couldn't do anything since they stunlock on hit and they ate through 75 health in moments ๐ฆ
dash feels kinda weak aaa
i have bad time dodging big drunk guys
not weak just
i played a bunch of platformer an its kinda strange with timing
All this takes a lot of gettin' use to, And you do get used to it... After a while.
Basically, just mash space bar and pray
The Nier Automata method lol
I feel like the dash is interesting and adds a level of difficulty because you can't just run away you gotta deal with whatever is gunna maul you
Also is it weird that I haven't encountered Aphrodite yet..? I've encountered every other god multiple times
Huh, I got her like every other run, maybe she doesn't like you ๐
Maybe she doesn't love you
Like.. I get 3 Poseidons every damn run, but I haven't gotten Aphrodite at all, in 30 escape attempts
time to buy this beauty
I rarely get Poseidon (and I'm pretty happy about that)
Yea his knockback is good for clearing mobs, but vs the bosses is pretty useless
So its a little frustrating that I keep getting him... lmao
Seems nice in combination with bow
Beaten the first boss with every weapon type now (I'm definitely worst with the bow)
My problem with Asphodel is i cant tell when i can knock enemies into the lava or not, seems inconsistent (I've found the shield clicks with me the most)
I've been using the spear a lot
Spear is funnnnnnn
I actually really like the bow eventhough I am mostly a melee kind of person
@vestal relic Any enemy that floats can't be knocked into the lava.
Powering up the sword's special as much as possible and increasing it's AOE is pretty stronk
too much keys, not enough darkness ๐ค
I'm talking about armored enemies that I routinely kill via that method
Guys i need help, i bought the game and says i own it, but its not in my library and i cant install it
Oh, like if it's possible for your weapon to knock them back? I guess I hadn't noticed not being able to knock people back.
did you try to restart launcher?
I have yes
huh, try to write to epic support, idk if there is anything else you could do
okay thank you xx
Pretty sure if you have shield or Poseidon or the shield you can knock back anybody except the skull spawners.
boons change it
I guess I haven't had enough time to play around with the different boons on it, since I just haven't used it enough haha
any pins or posts with the cast list?
So I have this feeling that our boatman will be more useful than just a shop. As in the first room when you escape you see a little pit that sticks out to the left which looks like a dock. So maybe fast travel in the future?
TBH I would love a confirmation of this if it is true.
Any tips for the first boss? I keep losing and barely do any damage to her.
Hydra is never possible wtf
So, stupid question:
How does one save?
I played a handful of runs, quit and it got me back to right after the first run
it should just save after each run
@torpid leaf which weapon?
That's what I imagined
I'm going to try again and if it doesn't I'll ask in tech support
the first time I beat first boss was by taking shield and constatly deflecting her attacks/ramming back
Shield
worked good
How to beat hydra?
with spear/bow running around her in circles to avoid her dash and then attacking her works pretty well
I didn't even try the shield yet ๐ค
Oh, neat, now the game just doesn't launch
I wonder how many zones there will be in total
it's dealing with her and enemy spam too. I probably can do it just without the enemy spam. Whats the best way to avoid the aoe spell?
I hope like 5-7
dash @torpid leaf
guess my dash isn't that great, I get stuck in the explosion. must practice then
double dash can fix that
double dash is indeed great
Hey Guys, Hades has a lot of elements of roguelike? Is this a permadeath game?
what do you mean
Triple dash all the awy
Hey @pure robin ! Hades does have a lot of roguelike elements, but there's permanent progression between runs as well. If you die it's back to the start of the run, but not a brand new start to the game.
I mean, a lot of roguelike games has the same "permadeath" system. So, there are no a checkpoints, when You'll dead You'll start from the beginning
@chilly stump That's okay, thanks
the power progression tho sometimes feels like unlocking things you should have by default after learning game systems
so you can pretend it's permadeath :D
Yay just beat Meg for the first time by spamming my shield throw which had lightning chain
Cool
Am I the only one to never use the cast ?
yeah that should be more usefull i think
cast becomes more useful with certain boon upgrades
@chilly stump Mhm, that's a great option. Will there a crafting in that game?
It certainly seems to take a long time to cast which makes it less useful in some situations, though that might depend on which boon you have
Also I've met the second boss with low life but i dealt him 140dmg with spear backstab he felt it but I died anyway
When they say you don't get out of Tartarus alive or dead, they bloody mean it
Got so close to beating meg
SO BLOODY CLOSE
@pure robin There are some items you can get to upgrade your kit in a run, but I'm not sure if that fits your idea of 'crafting'. If there's something you want to see in the game after you've tried it out, feel free to pop it in the #hades-feedback-closed channel. We're interested in hearing what people think and want!
And she's only the first boss
Ik
I love this game because it doesn't take you for an idiot
Also (Aegis is the best weapon)
Yeah, I haven't had this much fun in a game in a long time
@chilly stump Thanks
huh i have a poor english sadly i really want to help on feedback :c
get that one daedalus hammer upgrade that deals +600% of a deflect
and boom
done
good bye
@jagged beacon Doesn't seem too bad at all! I'm sure you could ask in here and someone could help correct it before you submit it too
I was busy when the game awards were actually live but seeing the trailer afterwards was a really pleasant surprise
The Athena's upgrade that add 20% more damage and deflect lvl up to 5 with 100% more damage is insane for all ennemies after meg
@tidal geyser Yeah surely ! It's been a while since I last spoke english and i've lost everything ๐ข
< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca-e5MrVbVU >
When the trailer was dropped at the VGA
"adds", "deflects", "to", and "enemies", other than that looks fine ๐
yeah bad keyboard for the two last x)
You take no damage from her dash if you dash into her with the shield that's cool
uhuh
i've been trying
succeeding
but i have to be extra careful on the way there
i've got nyx's cloak, but i think red doge's collar could help more
So, do we know what the plan is in terms of how many levels there will be?
i personally like athenas trinket alot
as it just gives you really good boons
and reflect dash is stupid broke
in the good way
also dusa is adorable
I love you Supergiant โค
I got a clear with the spear 
to what point
boi well done
Spear is the best
@brisk trail How do you find your dialogue stats?
22nd/23rd escape attempts
How do you get roles also ? ๐
thanks
@jagged beacon #bot-commands
thanks !
np
what did you use?
With the sword ? Man good job going through all this with this weapon ahah
is it that weird I got my kill with the sword?
So close to beating her!!!!
I got the Blade Flurry hammer and Zeus on attack launch a bolt boon
Gfdi!
Pretty much the only way the weapon is usable
Poseidon bash on shield is just bullying tbf
And deflect bash from Athena is p good as well for swarms if enemie
deflect dash is amaze
Do you think we'll ever be able to choose Xephy's gender?
....xephy?
xephy?
?xephy...
I put an example of how strong sword can be in spoilers
Ooops, lol I meant Zagreus. Or are they a real character from Greek mythology?
its a real char
zagreus? he's a Real Boy

nice
niec
never tried dash deflect, but dash electric strike or dash that makes foes weak are quite good
dash deflect is top tier
Man I can only imagine how broken builds get once you get a high chance of upgrading to epic
crit dash/deflect dash are t1, love/bolt t2, replacement t8934216904321876
@fiery pebble get the trinket from athena makes all her boons at least rare and 1 at least epic
i hate the one that make dash dealing dmg but slower
Athena isnt the one Id go for tbh
athena upgrades are kinda useless mostly because you want them primarily for deflect
the bonus damage is nice tho
If i remember Artemis and Zeus are good with spear
zeus is decent
The best upgradeline is arguably Aphrodite
Artemis has one really good boon ,and the rest are so-so
Artemis boons that deal more dmg after dashing with spear
yes thats so gold
that boon is t1 on every single weapon
in combo with the skill that lets you do more damage after a dash its jsut broke
iirc with bow its t1 as well
with sword you need to play similar to spear
you can dash inbetween attacks 2 and 3 of the combo
Whats are the gold coins called again?
obols
Thank you
So who else thinks dusa is best character?xD
Really need to go and check who voices her, definitely a fan
hot take: nyx is best girl
mom.......
Nyx did the deed with your dad.
That take is so hot that it immediately radiates away all the energy it has, creating a violent explosion that wipes out all life within a 50 km radius before it disappears forever.

The training dummy is the best bro
Yeah hes the other option if you don't go for Dusa.
He seems chill
Getting beat up and then still being like, "Hey, you wanna try that out?" when you pick up a new weapon
no joke, skelly sounds and talks EXACTLY like my uncle
I mean, I would be too. If I got paid to stand around and get beat
knowing full well that I'll just come back moments later
bro, I bet your uncle also has a skeleton inside of him 
Cerberus's really adorable too
duuude
Cerberus is the default, you can't even count him.
I think Hypnos is the least likable
Father is default
tru
negative hearts
i never should've given dad an ambrosia
Same tag.
Meg is obviously tsundere
Dusa is the best girl
Dusa best girl
Meg might be tsundere but she also just keeps saying stuff like "this wont change anything" and then she tries to murder you again
dusa is my tiny wife and i'd die for her. i already die a lot but, specifically, i would die for her.
she's dead too though
Nothing worse than having 2 runs in a row where you spawn and Dusa is nowhere to be found ๐ข
Well its kind of her job to stop you
Yeah but she could at least be nice about it
yeah she just calls you a bastard and tells you to go to hell
She could be like "Just business, but we are cool, yknow?"
dusa never says such horrible things
i will protect dusa with my life
i-it's not like i hate you or anything
i really wish zag hadn't told dusa not to clean his room, its a huge mess
I regret giving Dusa all of my ambrosia, because now that I can't gift her anymore I can't have her talk to me twice each time I get back to the house.
But she appreciates you turning in all the contraband
Zag doesn't want Dusa to go in there and see his portrait of Aphrodite 
Meg > Dusa
i finally got enough ambrosia that i got all the keepsakes, now i'm going to throw it all at cerberus, achilles, and dusa

?
i wish i could examine it everytime
nani
oh nice
Everytime I don't see dusa I get upset
what is this blasphemy
Sisyphus > all
nice sparrow
dusa
i already gave achilles 2 of them like a fool
I haven't got artemis's yet rip
i just think hes neat!
Sisyphus is a total bro
listen my heart melted when i gave my first ambrosia to cerberus and the second to achilles
i love....
patch notes
NEW PATCH
oooh, interesting
THEY NERFED SHEILD
@vestal lodge Praise be to you.
OH NO
nerfed the shield ๐
lol rip shield, thank god
MY carry
Did anybody else immediately jump to "Hades wasn't God of Death, though" when they heard about this game?
NERFED SHIELD HAH
hah
RIP PEERLESS PARRY
rip shield lmao
Didn't like it already lul
I didn't like the Shield, it was too broken
that was fast
nah I am big into Greek mythology
But it isnt like they portrayed him as being the god of death
oh, fascinating. shield with no base deflect isn't the way i expected that particular pendulum to swing
but just that you are in Hades, ruled by Lord Hades, and you wanna dip
oh wow im still in the middle of the game.... im gonna get the most out of my shield as i can now
oh gosh i just saw the nerf to the shield
yeah, shield feels loads weaker now
absolutely 100% called for but i'm still ;cries;
and a damage nerf
We already have Hypnos, who is son of Nyx. Thanatos is also her son, so maybe he will make an appearance later in the game.
to be fair the base damage on the shield was a bit daft
Cast that shield into the deepest pits of Tartarus
Now everybody can figure out how OP Bow is!
I already figured it out
Meg > (Nyx = Dusa) > All
is it still op if im bad at the game
PS The In-Game Patch Notes feature a Quote of the Patch. Collect them all!
I had a run where I was doing up to 2100 dmg each shot with the bow
good thing i beat hydra with shield before the nerf lol
nah I'm moving to spear
GO TO BOW YOU JERK
removed Deflect as an innate property
pack it up guys time to go home ๐
how?
I'd just started figuring it out before the patch, now its gonna be clear
Spear best weapon
@vestal lodge i feel like the fun part of balance changes is trying to work out how far to go with nerfing/buffing before it's Too Far haha
spear is insane
really though good nerf, aegis was OP
@hexed smelt That is definitely the fun part!
if you hold down attack and have shield up does it still deflect? @vestal lodge
id guess not
Bow has the +10% darkness also
@jagged beacon that's just random
I unlocked the shield about an hour ago and was real excited for how strong it is, oh well
But I still don't like it though
i've seen it on all the weapons at various points
I really like the bow ๐
Bless up boys the patch didn't change how my run was going
Bow is real strong in the right circumstances, shield was strong all around
I found an amazing seed to speedrun and im glad I didn't instantly lose it
I'm just sad because I had almost beaten the hydra and now have to learn a new fighting style ahaha
they used the word Dank back then? Nice
Spear is the best weapon, change my mind
i took latin years ago they had some crazy words
my mouse still flickedrs on screen crap:/
@sterile peak how fast can you beat the game with your spear, lad. The bow is truly superior
its a good idea to remove the innate deflect.
lol at least spear's special is usable @burnt pond
You dont need a special when you can just kill everyone
we can at least kill a numbskull with it
yeah but you could just charge your bowe
and 1 shot em all
Don't even need the powershot for it.
@sterile peak True, spear is awesome
spear is the most fun weapon
Incredibly fast
I'm having trouble killing enemies with the spear as quickly as with bow or shield?
bow with instant draw makes you feel like legolas, and you can't really beat that
Maybe I will try to start running with a spear. I dunno if it can be faster than the bow though. What are the best boons to get maximum DMG with the spear
I would assume Artemis dash crit with your spindash is good
As bad ๐
It does more damage faster and is easily to move with
So it must be the best then ๐
yes ๐
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even without the deflect i'll still pick shield
sword being second go to
I found the sword to be the worst weapon by far
spear, bow > shield > sword
I dunno, it's just default
sword is the worst imo
Nova smash just seems like too laggy a special to be applicable
but the bow and spear seemed underwhelming to me
But I like the sword
yeah nova smash was garb tho

I'm like really good at getting wall smashes
but it just loses to meg
It sucks
It would be cool if the sword was like the late game carry weapon that had really good upgrades
But was bad at the beginning
spear with deflect on attack is op when she's throwing a lot of projectiles in her second phase
Meg is newest crush and Im okay dying to her ๐
She takes all the projectiles and you take nothing
I just discovered the whole Ambrosia mechanic
this is just a an undercover relationship sim isn't it
Ahha same
it's actually persona 6
@jagged beacon try bow with special deflect one that
Please let us seduce people with Ambrosia
Lookin forward to date Charon
lmao I'm so glad all the gods are snaccs
Right lol
@spice patrol I tried it with Poseidon's knockback on special that was great
Dude like almost everyine in this game is hot af
Seeing Dusa explode when you try to hit on her would be interesting...
I already feel bad enough for making her flustered just by giving her the bare minimum attention
dusa or aphrodite ๐
Aphrodite for me
poor gal, I hope she didn't see the Gorgon skull in my room ๐ค
Aphrodite is straight up r34
when will we get Hades Dating Sim
^that
Let's put this on feedback
Doki Doki Underworld Club
I WANT this
Dream Deities must happen
Newest patch makes it a dating sim XD
๐ถ Dreeeaaaaaaam Deities ๐ถ
They have such proximity with us, the players, I found this awesome that we can have such an impact on the developement
They did this with almsot every other game
transistor was just a strategy game disguised as an action rpg
Pyre was a visual novel with the cover up of a sports game
let us have the dating sim disguised as a rogue like we deserve lmao
why can't i give gifts to Meg? ๐ค
you can
@jagged beacon It's pretty great, yeah
?
You can give her a gift once you beat her and die
She only comes to the House of Hades if you beat her in the previous run
man I haven't even managed to get to any boss yet
I am really bad at roguelikes
But I really love playing roguelikes
oh I just killed her but did not start another run yet ๐
I just played for like 8 hours straight and managed to get to the second level ๐
#notaddicted
Oh dang I keep getting to meg and she keeps beating the crap out of me
@wet reef same
is it me or the shield is op af and all other wpns arnt comparable
It is, though it was just nerfed in the patch
Not sure where it falls on the tierlist now
why not buff the other wpns instead of nerfing it : /
I just unlocked it and thought the same thing
tbh its still strong
Probably just reacting to the feedback early
is the bow still a total ass?
why not buff the other wpns instead of nerfing it : / cause game would be too easy that way?
well its not easy with op shield
bow and spear is already super awesome imo
They didn't even nerf it that much, they just removed deflect and lowered its astronomical damage
Can always tune things more, there's still like 1.5y to go to release
1.5 years?????????
well it is early access
yea
these games need some time
At least people keep saying this will be a long run
i wonder tho i unlocked all gifts already
it's early access and that's the usual time in between sgg releases so far anyways
maybe add the option to change wpn after killing first boss
Only reason I bought it is because of the long wait to full release
second zone is actual hell
@dire wave that would screw with boons
well uh
that's what it's supposed to be
Those bombers 
Hey guys
Ugh I hate the skelebombers yeah
Should I get Hades
Or wait for it to go on Steam
You should
yes you should
(Yโall didnโt even see the second option ;-;)
no need
lol
the game is dmr free so wathever
theres some bias
Yes
i still didnt buy it
Exactly what I was expecting @dire wave
question was:
should I wait more berfore I play and pay less to devs?
it will cost more on release?
(Epic gives a bigger cut to SGG)
don't think so, but dunno
if yer into roguelikes and supergiant's writing you should get it
Main character boyo is such a delight
no its just that epic gives 88% of the income unlike 70% of steam
they said it will be 20 on release as well
^^^^
Pros:
- More money to SGG
Cons: - Different platform
- Fortnite
tho steam did change a bit their economy stuff right?
something like, the more succesful the game the less money steam will take
having a concurrent of steam is great
or the opposite
I'm not sure sgg reaches that many sales, steam changes are for aaa
I don't like Fortnite, but it's not a bad game
O o f
is fortnite only available through epic store
Seeing Fortnite next to Hades when I log in hurts a tad
yes kiddo
i don't like fortnite but couldn't care less about using the launcher it uses?
yeh thats a big base then
how is it in your library?
dont hate on fortnite its cool ๐ฆ
๐ค
I played it the day it came out and then uninstalled but I can never remove it
^
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Steam is the launcher of Bad Rats, and i don't see yall hating it
I'd have to buy the game again though? :D
Wait, shield doesnt get deflect from bull rush anymore, right?
yes ๐ฆ
wat
Well, that was broken
i cant stand and deflect forever now?
So Im not surprised
rip
Not sure about granting bull rush deflect, but Athena's boons give it I think?
yea Athena
- Shield of Chaos: reduced base damage slightly; removed Deflect as an innate property (Athena's Boons still can give it Deflect)
Ya
Probably not
it was from pos like a double knockback
was lit
wow, didn't even thinked legendaries existed
yeah every time u knock back an enemy they get knocked back anjother time
Oh yeah I was pretty hyped when I saw my first
so sick
I had one from the r34 love goddess that could turn enemies to your side with Weak
wicked
i wanna 100k shadows to have 100% epic all the time
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so wait, does shield only do bull rush now?
Could someone really quick explain what Sysphus does?
good luck on that
the deflect was my favorite part.....
so guys, how long until someone posts aphrodite r34 into #fan-works
no
I give it a week at max
weirdos
r34^2
[a polite, modly cough]
r1156?
Yeah guys dont lewd the goddess of love and sex
6
30 minutes
N
there are 1392 online members and I don't see 1392 aphrodite fanarts
Mine is hanging up in Room
If Tumblr didn't end itself we'd have some fanart of her within a day
can draw a stickwoman aphrodite r34 if you want
tumblr isnt who we need yo
we have newgrounds
but good luck wading through the other content of the actual goddess aphrodite
and whatever portrayals she may have had in media
I know at least one person is already working on a Hades fanfic lmao
First one to find (or make) lewd art of her gets a pat on the back
Harry what is rule 35
Ah yes, of course
If it doesn't exist yet, it will be made
Things starting with the word "p" (not sure how profanity free this place is supposed to be)
Now rephrase it to sound like you are the Lord speaking in the old testament
That's 34. 35 is if someone points it out, it will come into existence without anyone doing anything
nah he said the right part
who needs aphrodite when we have hypno,
don't ruin hypnos for me
Only real answer^
who cares about Dusa when we have Meg?
I give permission for Dusa and Aphrodite but Hypnos is not to be sullied
People that do not like to be emotionally abused ๐
Dusa is better than a million Megs
Megs > Dusa

i mean it gotta be someone's fetish
Meg's probably already sullied tbh
I mean aphrodite was the first one sullied
She is literally already nude in the agme
SMH artists
Remember OUR r2. Keep it clean. Our games are suitable for younger players. Please keep your language safe-for-work accordingly.
Ya'll are... dangerously close
haha
But what about the naked woman ๐ค
Anyway how fast do you guys think this game can be beaten
I think if you were able to turn down the particles and such so you didn't have slowdown when you crit a mob for 600 (which leads to your screen exploding) it could go down to 10
10:30 ish
I was able to get 12, and I had probably the BEST case scenario
I think it can be good but I just wish it was either toggleable or we had an accurate in game timer
Cuz right now I am using realtime
And with spear, you're in slowdown 40% or so of the time lol
I wonder how many runs it took to get to the 12 min run though?! Like can't be 12 mins from the very beginning of the game, right?
Just that's the fastest run so far?
How so?
Like... was it your first run ever?
yeah ok so the run itself was 12 minutes, not the playthrough
how long until someone does a no-mirror run
I mean im sure you could
But it is BORING
No mirror no BOON
thats what the real stuff is
well actually you cant
I can't get past Meg in run 1
because yoiu cant leave a room without taking the pickup
No mirror means no double dash
And triple dash is 
Wait what, a full run in 12 minutes?
Triple dash is the best thing ever
And then there is me, barely beating Meg on my 40th run.
i only beat meg when
epic zeus dash and three? power ups
who needs weapons i can smash spacebar
awwww i almost got meg this time :c
To be fair tho the 12 minute run was probably the most lucky I ever got with boons
zeus dash is good ? never tried it, I really like his cast
I got an epic aphrodite to start with, 105% extra dmg
and then dash crit, then extra damage on weak foes and extra crit damage, and then I got tripleshot from daedalus hammer
then i beat meg again and died and couldn't gift her because of a scene ๐ญ
Yeah thats ruff
wait
the same happened to me FeelsBadMan
12 minutes?
Even worse when that scene is with Dusa and nyx, stealing away my waifu ๐ฆ
wait you can gift meg??
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/346569125 here is the video of the 12 min
Yeah after you beat her the first time you can gift her
If its not ok to post that I can delete it mods
seriously dino?
yeah im just strugglin to gift meg again
because i cant beat her ๐
200% damage is nothin to sneeze at
woahhhhh
ehhh I'll take the +25 health all day
By the way, do you use the gate much if you are a spear/bow user?
or even shield I guess
my man orpheus letting me take the shield and
stand far away smashing my Q key
What if you just dont get hit :^)
Not anymore I guess
not getting hit in hades
The shield just got nerfed
yeah
Shield still defends
but before that tho
It's not 100% dead
when you could deflect, did you use your cast?
wait, nerfed?
Spear I use gate sometimes, depends on the run
I just leave mine at 1 single cast, since I dont need it
Im not saying the shield is dead
i have not used the shield as a shield yet
I run quad cast, because sometimes it's useful, and if you get ares cast it becomes insane
Though I havent tried it after the nerf yet
I mean.. it deflects automatically so no need
Ares cast is t1
did they really patch the game already??
Yes?
I think zeus, poseidon, and ares cast are good
Probably the most important thing in taking a cast tho is if it is rare/epic
if it doesnt get a good boost in damage, I usually dont bother
damage + aoe is important in a cast
Ares cast is great because it provides insane kiting
Oh now that I look at this run again I could probably get it to sub 12 if I dont waste as much time
I think Pos is best
yea normal cast are really bad i think
Hey guys - Sorry for noob question - is the mirror the form of permanent progression between runs?
yeah
you get darkness throughout the run and you can use that to get upgraded stats
and those stay with you forever
i take artemis cast because i am bad at aiming
Do you use KB+M or controller
thanks - but stuff like weapon upgrades dont carry over?
thats just practice
I almost always use controller on Supergiant games. Since they usually design the games for controller, the autoaim is SO generous
they do not
@torpid lagoon correct
I personally like Zeus cast because bouncy lighthing
Thanks ๐
Artemis cast means you aren't picking up another Artemis boon
Yeah zeus is good for aoe clear
With zeus, you can clear a room full of skulls
@shrewd flare Zeus with the dash lightning thing is fun
Also true, but I get this option far too rarely
How many weapons in this current build? the ones we see in the equip room?
@burnt pond so I beat meg last night right. give her my gift etc. expecting to go straight through to zone 2
my god the disappointment was real
hahaha
Haha
yeah thats unfortunate
It's a roguelite, you're going to start at the start everytime
yeah I didn't realise that
Unless something specifically grants you the ability to do otherwise
its rough out here
Sometimes you get shortcuts, like in spelunky
@torpid lagoon Yes, only four weapons in total
So now the next thing to discover
lol Bow special + Ares is cool
Do you always go through the same # of rooms in a run before you get to the boss?
I'm sure they will add shortcuts in as the builds go on
Yeah thats good for kite
surely not
especially if the game is as huge as it seems to be
Adding shortcuts is a double edged sword
I've noticed that sometimes its less than before
if you take them, you are probably going to have an even harder time
Since you lose out on X amount of boons
yh less boons etc
so say I get to meg one run, might take me a bunch of chambers, the next time its less chambers
Also fun fact, if you do too much to the hydra as soon as you spawn in
he just instantly summons the first round of heads
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i've not got that far yet
first time i got to hydra he melted in 5 seconds so i have absolutely no knowledge of the fight ๐
the bomb squad guys have been smacking me around
whats your least favorite mob?
IS another thing updating?
restart launcher
Another epic games game
click on the red queue button and relaunch the epic games launcher if it persists?
like 4tn8
@cunning shard those fkn pink stone things
same
wow they've put out 2 patches already?
my god they're horrible
@cunning shard skelebombers
The hardest enemy for me is the crystals because I have to immediately dive them
pink stones tick is so fast
@patent epoch yeah they suck major
pink stones, or the blue stones in second area. i ran in to a blue one that shielded 10 armored heads, i got infinitely stunlocked. feelsbadman
Skelebombers are fine as long as you keep moving
For me its the skull piles in the second area, where both they and the skulls they spawn have armor
^
Zeus has the best upgrade to deal with those stones. A thorns effect for 88 damage
or the skeletons in the second area, because they can get you if you arent smart with yoru dashes
it was more annoying when i had only 2 dashes and not 3
I dislike taking thorns boons
armored crystals makes me cry
pink crystals are super annoying early on
man if you get a swarm of crystals on you without shield you're done
The blue crystals that make impervious enemies?
I hate those since they block all my arrows
the first time i got the Max health upgrade - i thought it was permanent
rip
hahahaha the dream
lol
Hah that wouldve been crazy
imagine my goddamn suprise when it wasnt -_-
Pink crystals just need you to dive them asap, they're annoying but can usually be dealt with safely
:(((
Yeah
i can dream
dash around the crystals, their beams move very slowly
^
so they cant spin and getcha
im going against Meg, wish me luck ๐
hey, is sword bad or not?
Most valuable stat to upgrade first you think?
sword is Not Great imo
@torpid lagoon second dash, then heal when you enter room, then death defying
Sword is bleh imo, too many recovery frames
you mean the mirror upgrades, @torpid lagoon ?
I rank my weapons shield > sword > spear >>>> bow
@hexed smelt yh
sword special is trash
death defying > heal imo
SMH these bow haters
@burnt pond cool thanks
second dash and a death defiance are the most important to get first
Bow last wtf 
@tepid wedge but one death defying is 20 hp, whereas you can get that in 6 rooms with max level heal, or 10 with level 2
@hexed smelt i haven't got death defiance yet - is that like respawn?
Plus it is always useful, whereas death defying is contingent on, well... death
if you take a hit that kills you, you come back with 20 health
Yeah rune
yeah but death defying also keeps you alive
Dino but if you go into a boss fight with max health, your heal per room was wasted
other issue tho
death defying has saved my bacon so many times
6*3=18
locked behind 6 keys
so?
Why not both guys ?
i get keys like candy.
death defying is fantastic, especially if you get the item that gives you death defying from shops
18 < 20
death defying is pretty much an extra 20 hp permanently
check this out
except it can't be healed
7 rooms
nah it's better than that
also just like if you are full hp it is wasted, so is death defying if you dont die
and i'm bad at the game and do die
it depends on the person probably
yeah but its a contingency plan
but eithe rway
i guess
you should dual spec into them
I like the skill element with that Sweet Spot shot
if you get hit a lot, you take it
I used to love Breaker's Bow back when I played Bastion
death defying is more than +20hp because if you take 10 dmg when you have 1 hp you will still have 20
breaker's bow 
@shrewd flare !!!!
Huh?
breakers bow โค
Sword would have been so much better if for example we could hold down LMB while running and then release it for a knockback attack
supergiant really do love their sweet spots
that's the beauty of being able to choose your own upgrades and respec freely between runs - you just shift things about as feel right
epic zues cast or zeus thorns ๐ค
On shield... one time I got a hammer upgrade that made attack deal 300% damage without knockback. That was the most busted run I've ever had.
one of these days i'll dump darkness into infernal soul and try out a cast-based run
cast is great
all the casts
I hated breakers bow
then cast
Because it was so slow
lets GO
yeah epic cast is insane
I ran pike/repeater
especially zeus one
im coming for you meg
nothing worse than getting a regular cast upgrade and it goes from 40 to 46
big room clear
"Hello darkness my old friend" has an entirely new meaning now
Pike because it was busted, repeater because it provided the range and didn't lock me down
Either way for upgrades they get more expensive the more levels you put in it
Alright im gonna hit the sack - catch you fellow jailbreakers later
what's your favorite room reward
so you will probably just dual level
any why is it double boon
Duchess did you try closing the launcher (and making sure the process was dead)
lol
On the very start I was like "eh, no boons again, hello darkness my old friend... oh wait."
Yeah doesnt work like that
There are ways to manipulate what your starting item is
but if you want to run the same loadout you cant change it
until you die and start a new run, that is
from patch notes "+ Reduced the max scale of damage VFX (it could get silly...)" does anyone know what this was about?
this run has given my nothing but boons
I will show you a pic ohelig
it's safe to assume that all the hooded characters will eventually get their unique designs, right? :V
Meg killed me
f
do you ever just run on to all the spikes in a room
yeah, w/ this game we wanted a big colorful cast as in Pyre, though the portraits and other details take time...! We appreciate your patience on that. Jen reserves the right to continue iterating/updating so you may see some of the existing designs get adjusted.
Hypnos' look came in literally just days ago -- he was the last to be updated
characters like Sisyphus have designs that are pretty far along but weren't polished enough to include at launch
It's from a dev, not me
oops wrong c/c
"Re: hooded portrait discussion further up -- while the hooded portraits do represent characters whose looks haven't been finalized, doesn't mean no one will have hoods eventually. We agree characters like Charon and Nyx most 'fit' with the current hooded look.
We have specific ideas about the designs of those characters and will get to them as part of our updates during Early Access.
Also note how Athena blinks her eyes while other characters currently do not; we expect to add more details like that in some cases or at least experiment with them."
this one
hypnos looks amazing
@tulip veldt here is a gif of the crazy damage VFX https://gyazo.com/dd202d9b02d9f95edb990f5da95eb056
lmao
look how big those suckers get
nuked them
lmao
so basically when you do that with every shot in a room, you just have your retinas burnt out
and your game slow down
That was extra laggy since it was in slow mo
i didn't realize the hoods were placeholders at first and feedback-ed about them and I feel bad bc as soon as I played like five minutes more it became clear lol
TBH I didn't realize it till now
Who else has them? Sisyphus, Charon, Nyx
Are they all?
Artemis
Orpheus
Orpheus yeah
Orpheus (or whatever his name is)
ok i see now that makes sense
I honestly thought it was just part of their characters
Artemis is the most obvious one
Nyx and Charon, self explanatory
And Orpheus, being only a head, wanted to hide the lack of a body with a cloak
wait, what hooded figures
But yea Nyx and charon might stay like that
just to confirm, meg is a love interest right?