Please someone make a "the new fragrance for him/her. Demeter~" fanart 
#off-topic-discussion
tender cobalt
hexed hollow
add a third for them too, chaos needs some love as well 
signal roost
Demeter: The scent of winter
fervent zenith
Cool, bitter and Frigid
fervent zenith
Who here is gonna be patient and get TROY when is free?
strange cedar
Total war saga?
The one SEGA is publishing?
I heard its going to be free for a while on egl
fervent zenith
And for a while it's 24h
In August
Now we can all make Achilles live the rest of his live with Patroclus
Or make their death even more brutal
tender cobalt
Wait wait, where and when is it going to be free?
I've no idea what the game is about but I never say no to free games 
sudden torrent
about free games
fervent zenith
Total War Troy (The one with Achilles) will be free only the 13th of August on EGS
sudden torrent
Sludge Life is free on EGS atm. It's a nice little exploration game. It's a bit crude but had fun playing it.
tender cobalt
I hope Albino will remind us all about that on August 
"Get to know your favorite trainer in a different game!" or something lol
wide ember
"And his hot boyfriend"
fervent zenith
@tender cobalt Bruh half of the internet is gonna remind it to you
tender cobalt
But they won't be albino ๐ฆ
fervent zenith
Just ask the internet to wear a wig
I'm taking the Albino thing to it's logical extreme
||Why you think my name is still white?||
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||wasn't it yellow before?||
tender cobalt
||Hi, I'm Peach!||
wide ember
oh, makes sense
serene tulip
I know this statement is self referential but...
fervent zenith
Don't let us hangin'
tender cobalt
Aye! My platonic love started playing it and he was like "hey, you should play it too!" and so here I am playing it ๐
I'm lv 2 so I'm still a greenhorn ๐ฅ
raven harbor
The day I don't get emotional over content revolving around Gurren Lagann will be a cold day in hell
hexed hollow
same, so has Ghost in a Shell and a list of probably yes many classic anime 
tranquil bay
outlaw star ๐คง
raven harbor
You should watch Gurren
It has some collar tug moments but it has immense heart and soul
tender cobalt
So I'm playing all happily when I slightly turn my head right and I see this tiny spider near me, webbing her way down from the ceiling. And I'm like "aw, isn't that cute?" and then she panics and stars webbing up frantically and I slap it with my hands and go "I'm sorry, but that's the law of the west".
May you find eternal peace, tiny spider 
tranquil bay
isnt the promare movie considered like, gurren but done way better. i havent watched either bc theyve never been on my radar but it was an opinion i heard a lot while promare was showing in theatres
@tender cobalt ive been struggling to think of smth to say to this but thats the law of the west has completely obliterated me through the sheer mental imagery of the event
raven harbor
Promare is stellar but, due to being a film instead of a series, doesn't have the same emotional impacts
They're very similar thematically, but Gurren has more meat to the ideas it puts forward, if that makes sense
tranquil bay
I'll be honest the most my knowledge ever extended with gurren was the memes that were all over at the height of its popularity
raven harbor
It forms a very interesting duology when you take it into account alongside Evangelion
tranquil bay
was never interested in evangelion either ๐
im not sure if i was necessarily picky with my tastes but a lot of the big giants of older anime just never caught my attention
odd grove
guys i've been playing as the demoman lately, really really fun. Any idea where can i buy the fullgameman?
proud flicker
Fullgameman requires the DLC guns to be good. It's better to just stick with Demoman for now.
proud flicker
Eyes are comestic items only, sadly.
proven rock
should i play bastion or transistor first
i have both its just im not sure in which order ill tackle em
proud flicker
Bastion is similar to Hades in a lot of way
Some of the models in Bastion I'm sure are reused for Hades even
Transistor is very different with some aspects of turn based combat
Maybe that difference can help?
proven rock
yes, thank you! ill start with bastion then go into transistor, working my way out of the comfort zone a bit
proud flicker
NP!
blissful charm
bastion's also a good start bc a) is the best and b) it's cool to see where they started and how their style has changed over the games
proven rock
sounds great!
blissful charm
hope you enjoy!
fervent zenith
I did play it @serene tulip I'm interested in that game as it's a sequel to Deiland
serene tulip
I'm hungry
proud flicker
Hi hungry, I'm Fox
proud flicker
You can tell from my avatar
proud flicker
๐
serene tulip
wide ember
nooooo
tender cobalt
Doggo was only offering some watermelon... Alas, doggo will be missed
desert minnow
I canโt believe someone ate fox
serene tulip
I was hungry 
dire root
I don't know where this would go, but here's a game bundle whose proceeds will be donated to BLM and the National Bail Fund Network.
tender cobalt
I neeeed someone to tell me which civilization to play in this new map. I was thinking about a domination victory this time. If not, I might use RNG to pick for me
autumn pasture
what are the options?
tender cobalt
Uhm, let me check....
proud flicker
Civ VI or V?
tender cobalt
VI, and here are the options I have:
- Australia
- Aztec
- England
- Hungary
- Japan
- Macedon
- Mapuche
- Mongolia
- Norway
- Ottomans
- Persia
- Rome
- Scythia
- Poland
- Spain
- Zulu
I hope I didn't skip any.... but the list is still long ๐
hexed hollow
Scythia
hexed hollow
Because it has Scyth in the name
wide ember
and the science boosts help with getting advanced war units faster
wide ember
Zulu then, I remember that he has pillage bonus
tender cobalt
Omg so it's between England and Scythia? Both sound like fun options 
I love Scythia's leader being all "I will make my enemies cry blood over their burning fields!!! But if you are my friend, we can have cake :3 "
The Zulu can build military structures pretty quickly and can form armies way easier than other civilizations, so they are a pretty strong military civilization ๐
wide ember
how much water will the new map have?
I like having a strong navy so if it's between England and Scythia I'd say England
tranquil bay
the last time i played a civ game i had no recollection of anything happening and the entire day had gone by lmao
tender cobalt
I haven't created it yet so I can adjust it to anything ๐
These are their screens ๐ฎ
proud flicker
I recently got into Sea of Thieves so I'm partial to Sea Dog
Of course that has nothing to do with CIV strategy
But...
wide ember
I really love royal navy dockyard, and it doesn't get outclassed late game like horse archers
so it also depends on how fast you are going to dominate your rivals
tender cobalt
Imma start dominating since the Ancient Era and plan to do it throughout the entire game. Uhm, I think I will do it at a normal pace since I still don't have much experience with Domination victory ๐
Scythia's ability is also good to receive a duplicate light cavalry unit of my current era, so there's also that ๐
And their healing passive ๐
wide ember
pangea map + Tomyris would be broken in your favor
hasty kernel
Britih Empire
wide ember
islands map + Victoria would also be broken, but allows you to take your time and you can't start dominating from ancient era
hasty kernel
So you could ask people "would you like a trade agreement with england?"
Thats the only part of Civ V I remember vividly
tender cobalt
I like to play on Shuffle map so I get surprises lol
I wouldn't know how my map will turn out but if I'm playing England, I will 100% play on a sea-heavy map haha
I will also try to spawn with tea nearby lol
So I guess we will go with Queen and Country? ๐
wide ember
one of those days, I'm going to finally play as canada and enjoy those ice hockey rink bonuses
tender cobalt
OMG I played as Canada before and it's one of my favorites civilizations ๐จ๐ฆ
They suit my mentality and playstyle so accurately ๐
And their music is awesome~
hexed hollow
Ooh, what does the Canada civ do?
desert minnow
Itโs
Itโs basically canada stereotypes cranked up to eleven
hexed hollow
Lol, i love it
I surely hope the Australia civ does similar
tender cobalt
Yay Canada!
hexed hollow
Noice 
tender cobalt
And my Steam achievements for this playthrough will be:
- For Queen and Country: Playing as England on a Huge map, have a city on every continent.
- Island Hopping: Win a regular game with a Domination Victory on a Huge Island Plates map.
- Oneth By Land Twoeth By Sea: Have an Army of land units and 2 Armadas.
Spawns at a lake 
wide ember
lololol
velvet fjord
religious victories in civ 6 are surprisingly enjoyable
and frustrating if someone else decides to play that way
limber walrus
Russian Religious Victory every time
velvet fjord
I usually do arabia
because you can easily swap to science
chilly briar
this was very odd to read until I saw the civ 6 context lol
wide ember
I'm having overpopulation issue (again)
wide ember
I hope future dlcs allows us to slow down population growth at will
wide ember
I guess I'll have to remove my own farms
exotic latch
So I came across a realization fairly recently.
So croissants get their trademark flakiness from dough layered with butter and folded several times to get those many layers.
Do croissants count as katanas?
::runs::
wide ember
.....................................
croissants are curved and layered, but they are not made for cutting, thus not katanas
so until kiwami makes a kitchen-sized katana out of a croissant, they are not katanas
exotic latch
Indeed.
...a Millwall brick is a newspaper folded over several times to create a weapon.
wide ember
and bread can be made into a knife https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMYKQc-MVIM
(I swear, his handle "ๅงๅ็ไธๅฏฉ่ " is making my dyslexia work up)
exotic latch
Yeah, it's kind of amazing!
A friend just brought up another question: Is a katana a sandwich?
Given that it is layered, edible, and can be held in one hand so as not to interrupt a card game, I'm inclined to say yes.
wide ember
I'm going to need more alcohol
and, don't forget, a katana is a curved blade weapon
so the best bread to make a sandwich katana is probably a croissant
exotic latch
It's all coming together!
tranquil bay
wide ember
I almost hurt myself because I was trying to test a parkour move I was writing but I haven't exercised for a while and am drunk
that was some bad idea
and how do you affix a handle to a sandwich??
north hamlet
wrap one end with paper?
urban robin
squish one end outwards. you have it from here
exotic latch
I mean, nori rolls were invented for the same purpose.
wide ember
are nori rolls sandwiches
you can eat them at card games, and it's carbs with fillings
are bent nori rolls already the edible katanas that we were looking for
north hamlet
i think they are more like wraps specifically
so if a wrap is a type of sandwich then yes?
wide ember
Oxford Encyclopedia says that wraps are a type of sandwich
stiff mauve
Ah yes. my windows failes to boot and to restore itself it deletes firefox and hades off my hard drive. suuuuure windows. why do I even trust the auto recovery at this point lol
exotic latch
Ooof. Sorry to hear that.
Thoughts: Spec Ops: The Line proves that non-Japanese developers (Yager is a German studio) can do a good Silent Hill.
fervent zenith
Dreadout is great and it was Indonesian
north hamlet
@hexed hollow ๐ ๐ ๐
inner idol
happy birthday
serene tulip
Me in retail: "Customers are the devil and I wish they would all burn"
Me in engineering: "Customers are my dumb little babies and I love them and want them to be happy but oh my god they are so dumb"
proud flicker
There is a significant overlap between the dumbest of tourists and the smartest of bears. - Some park ranger somewhere
proud flicker
Happy Birthday Aggy
opaque quail
It is! Depending on where you are in the world. ๐ We're having a back to back/simultaneous mod birthday with Aggy on the 5th and Madcar today on the 4th. Timezones!!
wide ember
oh! happy birthday to both Madcar and Aggy then!
desert minnow
Oh, itโs their bday today?
Happy bday aggy
wide ember
any party events?
magic sentinel
Happy birthdayy ๐
sterile lichen
omg, finally got my xmp profile for my RAM to work properly on my pc
it was running at like 3200-22-22-54 and it was driving me mental
wide ember
congrats
proud flicker
I have no idea what you are talking about but I'm glad it worked out.
fervent zenith
Happy birthday, mates
sterile lichen
@proud flicker haha, thanks. Basically the RAM in your PC has a certain speed and certain timings between when it does each bit of work. My timings were much longer than they should have been and it took me an embarrassingly long time to fix considering i built the computer 3 months ago
also, happy birthday to everyone!
(Please disregard any undeserved birthday wishes if this does not apply to you)
tender cobalt
Heey, let's wish everyone else a Merry Unbirthday then 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdsZT7WKjW8
How I love those 2 merry fellas ๐ฅฐ
proud flicker
Everytime someone links a cartoon I can't help but bringing up this comedic masterpiece
tender cobalt
My deepest sympathies to Rabbit ๐ฐ
urban robin
Supergiant games' warning on their soundtracks: "you should play the game before listening" only exists because they don't want anyone listening to their music without crying 
wide ember
crying instead of singing along
tender cobalt
@proud flicker You know, there are many "-ope" variants to try out ๐
limber walrus
FoxPope, if you're feeling spiritual
proud flicker
FoxHope when I'm me :D
tender cobalt
FoxRope, FoxCope, FoxJope, and more!
proud flicker
I mean I'm always me
tender cobalt
That you always are :3
proud flicker
FoxJope for the winter โ๏ธ
limber walrus
FoxLope when you wanna go far
tender cobalt
FoxTrope when we are feeling literate ๐
urban robin
FoxDope.
serene tulip
Like, I dunno, it's just not like, dark.
odd grove
Eh, i don't think it has a good middle ground either
You know that, the middle point between "happy go lucky" and "amazing story"
Something like, Lord of the Rings but toned down on the dark stuff
wide ember
I just watched the Snowpiercer TV series and I'm wondering what's with all those latina women in high heel type antagonists lately
odd grove
I mean, as a latino? Latinas just really like high heels
wide ember
is it just what netflix is funding or did the suggestion algorithm somehow thinks that I have a thing for ambiguously evil latina women in high heels
odd grove
Dunno, Netflix isn't even all that good now
When they started losing the rights for most good shows/movies they started to become like a second crunchyroll for me
serene tulip
How does scorpia do things with giant claw hands.
wide ember
with hand-assistants I guess (wow this pun doesn't work in english)
(Magic Knight Rayearth got nominated for Eisner Awards yesterday!)
serene tulip
Ooh, what language does the pun work in?
hexed hollow
Thankyou everyone for the happy bdays 
wide ember
(the pun was in japanese/chinese, assistant "joshu" is written with kanji for help + hand)
(I learned that reading yakitate japan)
odd grove
I honestly
Don't know poop about she-ra
Only about the OG show and even then, it's really blurry
Can someone give me an overall objective review on the way narrative is handled?
Such as, character development and stuff
upbeat scroll
i dunno, most of the characters seem to learn things and improve over time
there's flawed characters and they work on their flaws
tender cobalt
Random Aggy appeared!
hexed hollow
Peah 
tender cobalt
Aggy ๐
tranquil bay
late??? hap birbday https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357344472880644118/718370188235374632/513211868-birthday_bird.jpg
wide falcon
DON'T LET IT NEAR THE CAKE!
hexed hollow
nope not late at all 
ty
tender cobalt
Isn't that a picture of sol with some cake? 
tranquil bay
I don't know, I'm birdkin so I have bird pics
hidden siren
budgie
hexed hollow
Probably ๐ค
wide falcon
oh lol
tranquil bay
s'ok ๐
sterile lichen
Anybody here who has somehow managed to not yet play Portal? I've had a free copy hanging around in my Steam inventory forever that is giftable but all my gaming friends already have it. Free to a good home if someone wants it :)
fringe sparrow
Better graphic, more/better gameplay, and 'artificial' open world.
fervent zenith
Artificial like Final Fantasy?
obsidian timber
I'm not gender fluid, I'm an inconvenienced shapeshifter.
serene tulip
mood
obsidian timber
Yup
serene tulip
shapeshifting is def. my preferred superpower
serene tulip
Omnipotence seems a bit OP for a superpower
and also includes shapeshifting as a subpower
so OK
@obsidian timber may I PM?
obsidian timber
Sure
proud flicker
Hey isn't it Madcar birthday today too?
Happy birthday! (Unless I'm wrong)
But even so, Happy Birthday when it comes.
north hamlet
if they live in new york time zone or later you've missed it
proud flicker
Happy Birthday next year damn it
tender cobalt
They both said they shared the same birthday so Iโd say it already passed too ๐ฆ
north hamlet
one day of error is fine if you ask me tho
time zones are hard
aggy's is 5th sydney time, while madcar's is 4th unknown region
tender cobalt
Yeah, itโs not like you are 3 weeks late like me when phone calling my stepmother
north hamlet
tender cobalt
You know Aggy is from Sydney? ๐ฎ
tender cobalt
Oh my gosh! So you get the chance to bathe in Aggyโs cuteness radiating all over the city ๐
north hamlet
meanwhile aggy gets to enjoy the dark aura of my petty villainy
north hamlet
what song?
serene tulip
the original lyric is amber is the color of your energy
north hamlet
that sounds weirdly familiar
serene tulip
north hamlet
i definitely don't know the song, but there's something about the phrasing
brains are weird
serene tulip
story of my life
tender cobalt
meanwhile aggy gets to enjoy the dark aura of my petty villainy
@invis.dragon#2203 you say that with such an adorable avatar ahdjsnwvzj
north hamlet
Yes, I'm not actually terribly good at it
tender cobalt
If you eat the last slice of cake or the last serving of ice cream from the fridge, then you are doing a great job ๐
north hamlet
In the spirit of small grievances here is a picture of my dinner https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516103377256579072/718528188501721178/JPEG_20200606_041411.jpg
Have you eaten recently?
wide ember
I need food now
tender cobalt
I havenโt eaten yet today D:
Sol, did you see that picture of your cousin with cake?
toxic steppe
You do have prettier colors.
tranquil bay
just woke from a nap but consider red fan parrots
wide ember
I wanna pet the fan part
tranquil bay
north hamlet
tranquil bay
caiques are valid, bouncy lil lads
faint panther
guys pls come sign this petition to open source the cancelled terraria 2 game
https://www.change.org/p/relogic-get-relogic-to-open-source-terraria-otherworld?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_22097302_en-US:v10&recruited_by_id=0a876700-9364-11ea-908d-cda211c0c2bf&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial
serene tulip
wide ember
look at all the negative reviews
it's probably better to just play from the origin launcher
though when I played it from the origin launcher years ago it also crashed somewhat frequently
tranquil bay
the launcher seems to be whats causing a lot of the crashing with steam
functional lol
me looking at my copy of da:o i bought like literally 7 years ago and never so much as installed, whoops
wide ember
it's actually a more than decent game, just not optimized well and etc.
tranquil bay
ive honestly just never gotten around to it, and this point its been so long i never will bc my interest in it has fizzled out haha
i did genuinely buy it way back when with intent to play it and it just never happened for one reason or another
sudden torrent
Don't you still need origin launcher to play these games from steam?
because I remember someone pointing it out
tranquil bay
yes
wide ember
yes but the origin launcher from the steam one is a less functional version of the full origin launcher
tranquil bay
oneshot's p nice
not seeing anything else im personally familiar with to vouch for, ive never really looked at itch.io stuff but seems like some neat stuff at a glance
slim bobcat
i mean, over 700 games for 5$ and for a good cause
pretty sure it includes some rpg systems as well?
tranquil bay
oh yeah for sure a good cause
fervent zenith
It's a bit sad we can't stop seeing this bundles
Like there is always happening something horrible that makes them a necessity
fervent zenith
A mortician's tale is great too
sterile lichen
I'll probably just donate something and not get the bundle. That amount of stuff just feels completely overwhelming, lol.
sudden torrent
I kind of find it odd the bundle contains games that are already out there for free, but it's only strange thing I find about this bundle.
obsidian timber
@sudden torrent Give me that apple of PINE
magic sentinel
can i have uuuh 20 of them please?
serene tulip
limber walrus
That looks dope, do you know who made it?
serene tulip
alas no
sharp grail
heres the source: https://twitter.com/doeantlers/status/1268711259152629762?s=20?
please dont post art without credit here! its always important to credit the artist
tender cobalt
Getting woken up by my neighborsโ drill weee~
sharp grail
D:
limber walrus
Nooo
desert minnow
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
i hate that too
if you're going to start drilling your walls at least have the common decendy of doing it in the afternoon
tender cobalt
Having said that, I hope everyoneโs June is starting well. Enjoy its 1st weekend ๐
limber walrus
Yeah, it's going okay
tender cobalt
Any special plans? Because I donโt have any 
limber walrus
Mm, working on a couple game projects (as in, games that I'm making). Gonna try to get every weapon to 6 heat (FO1+BP1+DC1).
So I guess nothing super special as of yet lol
Oh! Probably going to be starting another campaign in D&D, that's special :D
desert minnow
same, no plans other than playing the update when it comes out
tender cobalt
Hey, making a videogame seems pretty special to me, or making something overall is special. Isnโt it wonderful to create something? You get to stand back and say โhey, I made thisโ ๐
Starting another DnD campaign sounds special and fun too!
Someday I will get to experience that with friends
limber walrus
Yeah :D right now I'm working on two projects, one of them I'm doing level design and helping with the player controller, the other one is converting a board game I made into a video game
tender cobalt
I donโt speak... that foreign language thatโs there (Russian?)
So you will have to translate for us, Albino
limber walrus
I don't think it's supposed to be in Russian :3
fervent zenith
-
It's Russian
-
I don't know Russian
tender cobalt
Oooh board games! That sounds like fun! I was trying to convince my family to try out Catan but they are more into simple games like Uno lol
fervent zenith
The characters' hijinks left them In Kaliningrad and obviously they understand nothing
limber walrus
Yeah, the game I made wouldn't count as that simple, it's basically a tower defense game made turn-based
fervent zenith
Long Days Gone
I got it in the GDC Relief bundle
It was the only one I was interested
It looks Weeb af but it's Chilean of all things
limber walrus
Aight
tender cobalt
LOL I like it when a game hits reality in that not everyone speaks English everywhere.
So you need bilingual party members to understand others. Interesting ~
fervent zenith
Well, to be fair your protagonists are ||Young people groomed since they are children to firm the army of the Core, an underground state whose military is better than the rest of the world||
The game twist is that your first mission deals ||With your squad falsely dressed as Polish soldiers massacring the Kaliningrad Oblast civilians all to incite a Russian-Polish war||
fervent zenith
||Why did you click this link HeartfulPeach. WHY DID YOU CLICK IT?||
tender cobalt
Becauuuuse I'm a very curious fruit! I can't help it!
I don't think I would play the game anyways but I like the story so far
velvet fjord
tornado warning here woohoo
luckily not close at all but it's raining a lot
tender cobalt
That's so scary ๐ฑ
Praying that no tornado happens at all, or if it does, that it won't cause much damage ๐
velvet fjord
it's florida, we get a lot of level 9 killstorms
I've seen several warnings but I don't know if there has actually been a whole tornado
tender cobalt
Must be tough living in Florida. I know the heat is unbearable but several storm warnings? Ouch...
velvet fjord
oh man florida weather is abysmal
I like rain but the rain here is always hot and uncomfortable, the sunshine is hot and uncomfortable, and there's a hurricane every year lol
tranquil bay
the closest ive been to a tornado encounter was the one year we left nebraska after visiting relatives, stopped somewhere to get lunch, and about like 10 minutes later heard on the radio that a funnel cloud was forming at the town we just left
bright jetty
Can confirm, Florida weather sucks.
tranquil bay
big mood about hot and uncomfortable and hurricanes though, im in the gulf coast ๐คช the weather is just humid and awful most of the year
tender cobalt
OMG Sho, that's so terrifying!
It's like a videogame plot where the catastrophe happens when you just leave your 1st town, except in real life!
bright jetty
So hey I've got a link to a video game bundle that's for sale right now, 742 games for $5, all proceeds go to a good cause. Is it allowed for me to share it here?
tranquil bay
it was linked earlier
bright jetty
Oooooh thanks for telling me that!
tender cobalt
Albino Albino Albino
Cook, Serve, Delicious! 3?! has a small discount now. Should I buy it?
Thanks for asking beforehand too! So considerate of you ๐
velvet fjord
I played a ton of CSD1, I forgot they got to the 3rd one
tender cobalt
I've never played the series but a girl I adore used to play it and I also like cooking themed games
bright jetty
Lol it would've felt really weird to post it on a developer's server without knowing if it's allowed first. ^^; Like, it's one thing to just spam the link on all the fandom servers I'm in, but this server's like... professional?
tender cobalt
We try to keep it civilized here
It still warms my heart to see thoughtful and reasonable people ๐
bright jetty
ahhhh thank u i'm gonna go back to hiding under my rock now lmfao
fervent zenith
@tender cobalt Not my kind of game.
Also you really should start pinging me when you want to ask me something. Because I miss it for hours and I feel bad because I accidentally ignore you :/
tranquil bay
god i havent heard that name in years
tender cobalt
I haven't heard it at all.
Goes to Google
tranquil bay
it was something that was insanely popular when it first popped up
may have been one of the first idle clicker style games iirc?
tender cobalt
And somehow I bump into cookie clicker speedruns lol
Oooh, I see how it is...
Check out this food art
I might buy it if gets a 50% discount sometime in the future. Meanwhile, I will admire the shawarma-looking food from Hades 
sudden torrent
can't wait for people to get their hands on the upcoming games from that festival or at least their demos.
tender cobalt
Oooh, Festival! Thanks for the heads up!
fervent zenith
I can give a quick heads up to worthy demos
wide ember
yes please
sudden torrent
I definitely recommend Golden Light. It's a nice horror rogue-lite with touch of humor.
tender cobalt
That sounds interesting but I'm a scaredy peach 
sudden torrent
meaty screaming items.
almost everything is formed from meat and eyes.
Even weapons are pretty much alive thing.
got all the good soundwork and unsettling scenery of meaty enemies.
tender cobalt
That sounds more grotesque than horror 
sudden torrent
Probably not selling it well since I am not good with descriptions but it's pretty neat with its horror aspect. You can also get it on itch.io rn or gamejolt before steam demo coming up.
sharp grail
oh it looks cool! not my type of game but i appreciate the aesthetic
autumn pasture
it looks cool but too scary for me, hahah
wide ember
I hope there will be games where I can kiss birbs
wide ember
either would be okay
tranquil bay
god I love hato but anyone going into it not knowing what to except is going to get knocked flat on their ass, since there's a lot of psychological horror aspects and it's not just 'lol cute meme bird dating sim'
tender cobalt
Wasn't there a bird dating simulator somewhere?
north hamlet
hatoful?
tender cobalt
I don't know the name, I just bump into weird games sometimes when I'm surfing Steam lol
Oh, you meant the game stephen was talking about, whoops~
north hamlet
that's the only bird dating sim i can think of
i know one about dating dragons though
desert minnow
does it count if you're eating birds during it?
because there was that kfc dating simulator too
an official kfc colonel sanders dating simulator no less
north hamlet
i believe the requirement is dating the birds?
wide ember
yeah platonic or romantic bird dating
just bonding is good too
like, a nomad who bonds to a bird as per tradition of their culture and most find and create positive emotional ties to them as said bond is as important if not more important than marriage
thin orchid
Well, pay what you want with $5 minimum essentially, right?
toxic steppe
Yep, $5 minimum.
thin orchid
pay $5.01
wide ember
there was a different bundle mentioned in the past that included different games in the bundle
both link https://blacklivesmatters.carrd.co/ though so money seems to go to the same place
wide ember
is it normal that impatient girl is in english and the conversation is not
wide ember
oh, this must be one of those games where character realistically speak different languages, I love those
fervent zenith
Ye'
north hamlet
didn't someone post that screenshot yesterday or something?
wide ember
I cheat in those using cellphone app - google translate using camera scan
but google translate aren't good enough when sentences are this long and complicated
mild pelican
worst part of translating non-latin languages, is that you have to search for every letter, when trying to type into google manually
glad i got rid of old windophone.. it had very few working apps
greek letters and cyrillic are not that bad, but what about japanese for example?
so.. don't think that counts as cheating
mild pelican
so, if the game mechanic is getting a foreign companion.. then cheating is having a foreign friend irl
and he should watch you playing
velvet fjord
what happens if you change the game language to something that isn't english ๐ค
tender cobalt
The perks of being multilingual ๐ท
tranquil bay
oh german you wacky language, if only i remembered more of you
blissful charm
i enjoyed german a lot when i was taking it, but i was very bad it
mostly i spent the first 2 yrs not studying and then got my 3rd and was like oh heck i have made a huge mistake
tranquil bay
i understand more reading/listening to it than anything else. my mom's side of the the family is german so at one point i could speak a little, but i was never kept engaged with it when we moved to the states since i only needed english for school and stuff so i forgot it lol. still knew enough to pass a german lang class by barely paying attention bc we had a bad teacher who taught us absolutely nothing for two years, so thats both an accomplishment and wildly disappointing bc i did want to pick stuff back up but ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
hasty kernel
@fervent zenith if youre still wondering what the russian says
blissful charm
yeah teachers like that can be really frustrating
hasty kernel
"Please, please help me. I arrived here on a business trip, but now the streets are blocked, and they dont allow me to return home"
Funny that the game gives you the 2 languages I can actually speak
mild pelican
my mom teached English for some time after graduation, so guess i had little choice, what language to pick.. even though our region has several german communities since after the war
hasty kernel
Besides english
mild pelican
guess it could be nice to know at least one language from each major group to understand other relative languages..
fervent zenith
Thanks
hasty kernel
Np
Also eh, it only helps to a degree
I know russian, but croatian for example is already so far apart that I wont understand most of it
Hell, even dutch has moments where Im drawing a blank, and its just swamp german
tranquil bay
yeah dutch is fun bc sometimes i can get a gist of whats being said just based on my broken remembrance of german rofl
hasty kernel
Its always a matter of direction too
tender cobalt
I remember watching a Russian cooking show and despite not knowing what was written on the recipe, I could recognize the ingredients by the sounds.
hasty kernel
There is something like that with finnish and Estonian?
Where Estonians can understand Finnish far better than Finnish folk can understand Estonian
I will understand some of croatian
But a lot of it is just too far apart
tender cobalt
Probably, I'm not sure ๐คท
hasty kernel
Thats just my observation, of course
Ultimately I do have a bit of a knack for language, but I was too lazy to ever hone it
Also, idk about that bundle
There are a few games Im definitely interested in
But putting 750 games into my backlog sounds like a bad idea
mild pelican
i used to think that Czech has some familiar parts with russian.. at least, there are a bunch of words, that sound more.. fitting for things
for some time ago used to think, that i should learn japanese for a change
hasty kernel
Czech is a slavic language
So there will be overlap
Less than Russian and Ukranian, but there will be a bit
Especially given history
I once wanted to learn a language for each continent
But then I just kinda didnt
hasty kernel
For me its more motivation than time really
Also PSO2 finally came out, and Ive been playing a lot of that
mild pelican
there is a new window in a modern steam design.. "Games you might like" with games that people like me use to play
it's filled with games i've already bought
and never launched
hasty kernel
For me its usually filled with games that are just way off the mark for what I want
mild pelican
mostly with games i wanted to play most
hasty kernel
Mostly because it tends to emphasise AAA over indie
Whereas I prefer games that are AA at most
ancient moss
@sudden dome apparently this is what I was thinking of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilty_Gear_2:_Overture
Still never played it
sudden dome
Ah
Overture is the strange child
Because it's not a fighting game and those don't tend to do well in fighting game series
slim bobcat
oh y'all wanted more games? https://twitter.com/SPNKr/status/1269403207014342656
Twitter
toxic steppe
I bought it and I'll probably only play like 2 of the games, I'm just in it more for the charity of the whole thing.
Plus it feels satisfying to scoop something worth so much for at least $5.
wide ember
ID: Invaded got removed from Canadian Netflix, I'm crying (and watching it elsewhere)
wide ember
are you suggesting that I commit region fraud
(I may do that if connecting asia platforms is getting too slow)
what was the point of geoblocking in the information era anyway
limber walrus
Lame attempts at getting more money
north hamlet
Licensing rights
Which is kinda important for things that need money for localisation
Also media restrictions being different in different places
The rest of the time it's a cash grab
limber walrus
That's fair
tranquil bay
ah yes the two most important things on the internet rn according to sponsors, nordvpn and [looks at smeared writing on hand] rash: scrambled legumes
names are power and I shall not Say That Name
limber walrus
Make it a hash and that doesn't sound that bad. Hash with scrambled eggs is a solid meal, and I barely know what legumes are but they probably are edible
north hamlet
beans, lentils, peanuts etc
tranquil bay
yah
limber walrus
Right!! Wait peanuts??
north hamlet
they are not peas or nuts
limber walrus
Next you're gonna tell me that pineapples are berries
north hamlet
THEY ARE
north hamlet
so are peppercorns
limber walrus
Which are neither peppers nor corns
north hamlet
depends on how you define pepper
north hamlet
calling it a corn on the other hand is probably something to do with old word use being generic grain
limber walrus
...I did not think those were finger guns at first
I thought it was a weird shadow dragon thing
And I was like "wut"
north hamlet
incorrect, but could be cool
tranquil bay
tranquil bay
me through whatever I inadvertently started here
limber walrus
I just burst out laughing so you did something right
limber walrus
:D
tender cobalt
I don't know what happened but hey, I love seeing you all merry
north hamlet
limber walrus
Memes, puns, and finger-guns
tender cobalt
What a combo!
hexed hollow
tender cobalt
I'm craving for some walnut cake now 
hexed hollow
that sounds tasty ๐คค
tranquil bay
we have here proof that peach is drawn in by merrymaking. it's like summoning someone by saying their name three times, except random shenanigans instead
limber walrus
๐ ๐ ๐
tranquil bay
tender cobalt
I don't deny that.
upbeat scroll
You ever think about how... cows have 4 stomachs, but they don't even know that
They probably think they only have 1 stomach
sharp grail
do cows think? what do cows think
hexed hollow
๐ค
desert minnow
consume grass
hexed hollow
nom nom nom nom nom
north hamlet
is anyone really aware of what their guts are
desert minnow
Yes we know
north hamlet
organs are weird
north hamlet
indeed
fervent zenith
Welp, finished the EA build of Long Gone Days, now to wait for the Warsaw Chapter
||The Final boss was a cute anime girl||
fervent zenith
FINAL BOSS (Spoilers, duh) ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/351166263772446722/719159020279169055/unknown.png||
wide ember
oh no she's hot
tranquil bay
some good vibes for today https://twitter.com/Dan_and_Nite/status/1269281135927996416
tender cobalt
Sho is secretly a reptile
Well, Albino was right. That game sure is for anime lovers
tranquil bay
im birdkin, birds and reptiles are relatives so same thing really ๐คง
my childhood love for dinosaurs was just leading up to me preferring birds over other animals
tender cobalt
The birds are the word~
wide ember
parrots are cats 2.0
tender cobalt
I will sing a song for @nova idol Here goes!
Cho-cobo, choco-choco, choco-bo!
Cho-choco, cho-co-bo!
Cho-choco, cho-co-bo!
tranquil bay
oohhhhhhh my god the fact she reenacted the whole scene in her home is just making me feel a lot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljPqUYkEXFQ
discord im begging you to thumbnail that
๐ฅบ
tender cobalt
And so, discord disregarded a poor soul's plea~
tranquil bay
okay since it wont thumbnail its meg's voice actor singing wont say im in love and she does the whole thing in her house, even right down to the final bit of the song where she lays down with a flower fkjdhgkjd
tender cobalt
That I got to watch 
tranquil bay
shes just causally got a bust to admire during the 'check that grin you're in love' line
truly amazing
tender cobalt
I wasn't expecting the Greek Women chorus in there too OMG
This is way better than I thought XD
tranquil bay
YEAH THE PEOPLE PLAYING THE MUSES LMAO
props to the guy wearing whatever that beauty and the beast thing is
tender cobalt
It looks like bed sheets
tranquil bay
thats so funny
tranquil bay
that is one song that is so hard for me to resist
whens our movie night watching hercules
nova idol
I sing all the Disney songs when I shower lol.
Sometimes I sing this. https://youtu.be/i92uMLZAIt8
tranquil bay
OH I REMEMBER SEEING THIS BEFORE im so glad it came back in my recs its so good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_hRfk4VZHs
nova idol
I think the one I sing most often in the shower is Part of Your World.
tender cobalt
We can never have enough of the Muses
OMG I love that song too!
I even sing it randomly during my matches in my MOBAs LOL
Everyone would go like "What the heck?" XD
"Look at this stuff! Isn't it neat?" Kills the enemy adc
nova idol
That reminds me, in FFXI I used to randomly write One-Winged Angel lyrics in chat when I was listening to it (which was like 30% of the time probably).
tender cobalt
"You want a kill or an assist? I got twenty"
nova idol
lol
tender cobalt
"But who cares? No big deal.... I want moooooreee"
nova idol
Look at this trove: treasures untold. How many gemstones can one chamber hold?
tender cobalt
Hades challenge: make Part of Your World suit the theme.
nova idol
lol
tender cobalt
I tried my best, don't judge LOL
Look at this stuff, Isn't it neat?
Wouldn't you think my collection's complete?
Wouldn't you think I'm the god, The god who has ev'rything?
Look at this trove, Treasures untold
How many gemstones can one chamber hold?
Lookin' around here you'd think
(Sure) he's got everything
I've got nectars and keys aplenty
I've got blood and ambrosias galore
(You want some Darkness? I got 24961)
But who cares? No big deal. I want more
I want to be where my family is. I want to see, want to see 'em quarreling'
Hopping' around those (Whad'ya call 'em?) oh - flowers
Killing shades you don't get too far
Flowers are required for jumpin', dancin'
Strollin' along down a (What's that word again?) flowerbed
Up where they smite, Up where they fight
Up where they stay all day in the sun
Wanderin' free, Wish I could be
Part of that world
Holy Moly, that wall of text. Let me edit....
nova idol
@tender cobalt is that how much Darkness you have?
tranquil bay
fell down the unfortunate youtube rabbit hole of disney songs, as is prone to happening the moment you look at even one vid
tender cobalt
Maybe
tardy anchor
AAAAWWWW.....
sacred quiver
When do we get the music video for this?
tranquil bay
someone get to it, chop chop
limber walrus
Peach, you're on singing duty now
limber walrus
Yes!!
tranquil bay
i am seconds away from losing it
bad romance but ancient greek styled, what would that be like
tender cobalt
(You don't want to listen to me sing. You are better off hearing vinyl records being scratched lol)
tranquil bay
clicked on the what is love medieval cover and was immediately knocked flat on my ass the moment i heard what is love? lady, thou woundest
tender cobalt
Yep, you definitely have been dragged to the Youtube Zone. Twilight Zone music plays
tranquil bay
god. god. like on the one hand these are absolutely bloody brilliant and i applaud the effort
but on the other hand the fact they exist and they are something i've heard with my own ears is giving me a crisis
who does this. truly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRIfsFefatg
people really just be out here. doing things!
good for them im proud of them follow your dreams
limber walrus
These are beautiful
tender cobalt
Oh yes! Pretty of talented people, out there hidden like diamonds in a carbon mine~
limber walrus
We do more songs
tranquil bay
speaking of a similar topic, there is a comical point and click on steam by the name of the procession to calvary, and all the art is modified renaissance paintings
tender cobalt
Only if we play it together~
fervent zenith
Meh
tender cobalt
It's a 1-word KO!
fervent zenith
Goddamn why is this so funny?
tender cobalt
I'm with you there. Gave me a good chuckle
odd grove
"Meh" how?
tranquil bay
why is it so dramatic
fervent zenith
If you play you MUST play it with someone
odd grove
I feel it's one of those "play with friends"
tender cobalt
All the more reason to play with yours truly
tranquil bay
well if you host a terraria server ๐คง
odd grove
Peach do we even have good ping together, ever?
exotic latch
If you want a good co-op game? I personally recommend Moon Hunters, Dungeons and Dragons: Chronicles of Mystara, or Tonight We Riot.
sacred quiver
Moon Hunters is a really fun one
Wizard of Legend is also a good one if you like Rouge likes
odd grove
What's even tonight we riot
@exotic latch Almost none of the reviews even talk about the game, and the ones that do say it's short and repetitive, as well as overpriced
exotic latch
I've played it all the way through, and yeah, it's short, you're not gonna have combo videos of it, and 15 is kinda steep if you're not specifically looking for the aesthetic, but I like the aesthetic and I don't feel like I wasted my money (I mean, better than dropping $60 on the latest Call of Duty).
copper lark
i came to say hi and saw another syd
exotic latch
Hello!
odd grove
Eh, i duno
My rule of thumb is that when a game with "good" reviews are mostly about everything but the actual game, i stay away from it
Besides politics are boring
odd grove
I am somewhat of a socially inept person
exotic latch
(yes, politics sure are boring have you looked outside these days)
odd grove
So not too many options
tranquil bay
bold of anyone to think that the vast majority of media isnt influenced by politics of some kind
odd grove
Cathartic? How so?
exotic latch
Because it feels good to see a story where people as a whole (rather than individual heroes) bring down an oppressive system that's oppressive in ways that have direct parallels to things happening today. It has verisimilitude.
odd grove
I honestly feel politic humor works only when all sides are attacked
Otherwise it feels like propaganda
exotic latch
So...okay, where's the other side of this exactly?
Like, you can't possibly be arguing to have a both-sides treatment of people living under crushing poverty and ultra-rich people buying multiple luxury yachts off their stolen labor.
odd grove
Pal, i ain't talking about capitalism
I'm talking about politic humor
Like, jokes about presidents and ideologies, not actual events
exotic latch
How does that apply to Tonight We Riot?
Because Tonight We Riot is talking about capitalism.
tranquil bay
i genuinely dont know how to tell you that nearly every aspect of our lives are affected and influenced by politics, even right down to the media we consume, games, books, movies, ect :/a
exotic latch
Fair enough, but politics won't stay away from you forever. It's more than elections, more than political parties. That was the big lie we got taught. Staying in your lane's a valid response, and honestly more sensible than a lot of folks tend to do, but trust me when I say that getting educated about the issues that are affecting people today is something you might wanna consider, at least in the future.
odd grove
It wasn't a joke
I have a tendency to be overly empathetic, but, with everyone
I believe justice is a two way street, however i also have severe anxiety
And, idk how to say this but i've been told i have depression symptoms on top of that
odd grove
With all the stuff going on, i still cannot bring myself to hate or be against a group of people, i hate the idea of suffering and injusice, that's what makes me a centrist. I just want an outcome that suits the actions of EACH SINGLE PERSON
fervent zenith
Politics? In my videogames?
visibly shocked
odd grove
I don't care about politics, but when people celebrate violence and aggression against people "because they are the enemy", that's off limits for me
fervent zenith
To be fair, some game companies are at fault
exotic latch
Right, but that's a false choice, because like, if you're sympathizing with the oppressors and the oppressed, there's half of it just...uh.
odd grove
It's simply against my beliefs
placid talon
Sometimes you have to accept that not all sides can be pleased with an outcome, and don't always deserve to be. To take an example to the extreme, how do you compromise with a nazi?
exotic latch
This isn't about "They're the enemy," man!
odd grove
Well, if i ever met a nazi?
I would try to know "why"
Isolation breeds a complex of superiority
Most of these people that hate others don't really talk to those they hate
I think, if they learn about how people different than them live their lives or what drives their actions, they might find relatability
Honestly, i don't think anyone is above (or below) treating someone with respect and overall humanity
It just takes time, and lots of optimism
Just my two cents, the way i live my life, or try to at least
Point is, i think everyone has a chance to turn a new leaf
tranquil bay
just because people have a chance to doesnt mean many of them want to
its not as simple as just believing theres good in everyone.
odd grove
That's why you don't resort to violence "because"
placid talon
I think that that is a very optimistic outlook, and it's very sweet that you are willing to put so much faith in people who are extremely hateful, but what do you do when the Nazi doesn't budge and insists on voting in politicians that actively repress your rights? That try to harm you?
odd grove
I don't believe there's good in everyone, but that everyone can find it
placid talon
At a certain point, you cannot tolerate intolerance.
exotic latch
...I feel like you're ignoring the reasons why people are being violent.
tranquil bay
again, not everyone wants to. and maybe those that are bad perceive their own actions as good. so what then?
exotic latch
Like, riots aren't happening "Just because."
odd grove
I still think pacifism can achieve more
They happen because it's what they have at hand
fervent zenith
Reminder Philando Castle was killed in Minneapolis too. People there are fed up
tranquil bay
change, such as changes to civil rights were not achieved through pacifism. pacifism gets people killed too.
placid talon
Pacifism has a time and place, but if you do not resist people who have no sympathy for you, you're only going to let them have their way with you.
exotic latch
I have been repeating over and over again that he who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honour by non-violently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden. He has no business to be the head of a family. He must either hide himself, or must rest content to live for ever in helplessness and be prepared to crawl like a worm at the bidding of a bully.
...
Though violence is not lawful, when it is offered in self-defence or for the defence of the defenceless, it is an act of bravery far better than cowardly submission. The latter befits neither man nor woman. Under violence, there are many stages and varieties of bravery. Every man must judge this for himself. No other person can or has the right.
- Mohandas Gandhi, a very problematic person with his own issues, but when he is saying violence is not to be dismissed out of hand...
odd grove
Gandhi, himself, said that pacifism was used because it was all india had left, and they would have used the atomic bomb against england if they had one, despite whatever he said. I don't agree with ALL his actions, but i learned enough
tranquil bay
your outlook is noble but its not feasible
placid talon
Those in power will not cede that power without a demand, and if that demand doesn't have teeth, there is no reason for them to capitulate.
Just look how much effort was necessary to guarantee a 5-day work week and child labor laws.
Look at what it took to abolish slavery in America, and we still struggle with racism in this country to the present day.
I think that your approach works exceptionally well with children and the open minded, and it's how you build a future with tolerant people.
odd grove
America isn't the only place with racism, it's still a world thing
placid talon
But you need to also recognize that some people will never change.
odd grove
America just has a different grade because of the sheer diversity within the country
exotic latch
If you think diversity is why racism exists...
odd grove
No, i did not mean it that way
placid talon
America has a different grade of racism in our country for extremely complicated reasons that cannot be boiled down into a single sentence.
exotic latch
Yeah, though, that's kind of thing here. People have to want to change. There have been deradicalized Nazis and such, but they never came out of it because of "oh, I never thought of that before." People embrace fascism because it gives them something they've been missing in their lives. Belonging, a sense of purpose, camaraderie, an easy outlet for their frustrations and anger.
For them to leave, they have to feel that fascism will not give them what they actually want.
odd grove
I am not from the US, so i can't know for sure what is it like in the US
But my country has it's own share of discrimination, although based less on ethnicity and more on nationality
Argentina has a tendency of being very blunt and disrespectful, sadly
exotic latch
Ah, I got a friend from Argentina too.
odd grove
Most people are wiseguys full of themselves
exotic latch
Small world!
exotic latch
Indeed, and he has confirmed as such.
odd grove
Like, not long ago a woman tried to rob a grandma in her house...
For 250 pesos and a pack of spaghetti
She choked her, for that
All in front of a kid, even
Argentina's issue are argentinians
There are books about it, even
I guess that's where my ideology comes from. Argentina's issue can be legitimately fixed by mutual respect
exotic latch
Right, but let's take this into account: capitalism puts all its value on profit and money, and makes it so that people who can't contribute to the system for maximum profit (for the people at the top) ought only be given the freedom to starve.
Why is the social situation in Argentina and elsewhere so desperate that people are willing to perpetrate that kind of horrific violence for 250 pesos and a pack of spaghetti?
odd grove
You wanna know why?
The left
They ruined the country
During the 20 years or so they governed
Peronism was the bane of argentina
Then kirchenirsm buried it
They literally say they fight for the poor people
All they do is give away a free laptop, pay families for having kids and then add taxes to basic life needs
They actively try to make lower classes more reliant on the state, so they refuse to vote for another government "because kirchnerism cares"
Even other left parties fall behind them because they are a legitimate joke
exotic latch
I'm looking at the basic tenets of Peronism and this doesn't seem like more than the trappings of leftism to dress up right-wing nationalism.
(I mean, no leftist would admire Benito Mussolini)
exotic latch
So...it's not "the left."
odd grove
The left voters vote for peronism
exotic latch
That's not what "the left" is.
exotic latch
Leftists in general have a checkered opinion of electoralism. Noam Chomsky appreciates the value of "defensive voting," wherein you vote for the candidate who is less likely to impede your progress, but the basic idea of the actual far left sees electoralism as a sham to pacify the populace.
exotic latch
(We got those here too)
odd grove
No, they are bad
exotic latch
(but since they're white, they're okay by police)
odd grove
What?
Eh, police is an odd case here
We have underpaid, overhired cops
Instead of getting gear, they just get more cops and pay them 600$ or so a month
I'm sure they buy their own vests, too...
exotic latch
Going back to electoralism, though, if you're voting for a leader, you've already submitted to a hierarchy with remarkably few conditions to protect you. Leftists do not accept the idea of submitting to any leader "because that's how it's done." This applies to senators, presidents, parents, police, teachers, etc. All submission can only be valid if conditional, consensual, and fully informed.
When things get that bad? Leftists do not vote in leaders. They organize and enact the needed change directly. That's the principle of direct action.
odd grove
You just don't get it
Argentinians are a different kind of deal
This is a nation of laziness
People are zealous over everything
Some people voted for Kirchnerism just because they would get state funded "free" football
We went through several dictatorships
Argentina refuses to work without democracy
exotic latch
Okay, like, I live in the US, but I was born in the Philippines and you wanna talk to me about "a nation of laziness"? Are Argentinians and Filipinos biologically predisposed to not care? It's cultural. That's a function of the political system working as intended. That is not leftism, and accepting defeat on that really won't bring any lasting change.
odd grove
Hell, you can bet i want to make a change
However argentina is economically crippled
And as long as people want the kirchner, a literal mafia, in control
Argentina won't be able to do much
exotic latch
Indeed so.
odd grove
It was thanks to people like them argentinians work with USD and not local currency
Just during their goverment we got like 3 new higher value bills
exotic latch
(It's probably also because of economic pressure from the US. Maybe not, but I wouldn't be surprised)
odd grove
Argentina is indebted to the world bank
exotic latch
Yeah, that'd do it.
Hardly the only place, too. That's how dire the situation is.
But even in those conditions, accepting defeat or seeking compromise with oppressors isn't exactly the way forward. Compromise is what gets you in debt with the world bank.
odd grove
Thing is, argentina has a story of not trusting itself
One of our older presidents straight up said importing stuff from other countries was better than manufacturing it ourselves
We could have industrialized and not be at mercy of other countries, but when argentina started to rely on others, they simply didn't stop
Argentina isn't healing soon, but due to the nature of the issue, it CAN be fixed, but it's as easy as moving a mountain
Long story short, Cristina Kirchner was the worst thing to ever happen to argentina this century @exotic latch
exotic latch
I mean, I'm not gonna comment on more than what you're giving me, and my cursory research isn't exactly thorough enough to make me comfortable enough to respond?
exotic latch
That is evident.
odd grove
And worst part is, we kinda got used to it
To the point we can actually try to thrive somewhat
Sadly the current goverment the people push has no interest in fixing us
I swear i'm this close to studying politics...
exotic latch
Take care of yourself, go at your own pace, but I think it might be, in the long term, helpful if you were to understand more of what forces are at play, both at home and abroad.
odd grove
How so?
exotic latch
When you lack familiarity with things that end up shaping your life, it's easy to fall for, like you mentioned, propaganda. If all you can take into account is their tagline and their surface ideas, you have no real platform on which to build a real understanding of what people are saying.
This actually ties in to fascism. By Umberto Eco's estimation, and one that's borne out by examining the philosophies of fascists in the past and today, is that fascism is constitutionally incapable of accurately estimating the capabilities of their opponents, because the bedrock they've built their ideology on is based entirely on image and presentation.
odd grove
Yeah, but the end goal of every single ideology is totalitarianism. That's what stays on my mind and one of the reasons i'm politically centrist.
placid talon
No it's not, lol
odd grove
I feel it's better to choose the course as it evolves
exotic latch
....The fact that that's what you think really makes me redouble my assertion, man.
It could also be a bit of a language barrier? But you do have a point that dogmatic ideology will end in totalitarianism.
exotic latch
Horseshoe theory is...not a thing, man.
odd grove
No, look
It's just a simple quote
The ultimate end of any ideology is totalitarianism, Tom Robbins
placid talon
Tom Robbins was an author of fictional dramas. His quotes shouldn't be used as a basis for any sort of informed political decisions.
exotic latch
This isn't to say that I axiomatically shouldn't, but I would like to know why his opinion matters.
exotic latch
Why does anyone's? Because of research and understanding. If you think people say things and you should follow them just because that person said so, you're already a fascist in all but deed.
placid talon
It's based on the context of the conversation, isn't it? Syd and I are not just offering up platitudes without any supporting evidence or conversation.
odd grove
It's not because tom robbins said it
But calling me a fascist for... agreeing with a quote?
Isn't that a stretch?
placid talon
It's because the quote is factually incorrect at a glance.
But you're taking it to heart
odd grove
I said i have medical orders to stay away from politics
placid talon
And that's a reason to base your political ideology on an obvious falsehood?
placid talon
I can't follow your line of reasoning.
You're telling me that you're a political centrist, and that quote is what stays on your mind to help you keep that ideology, right?
placid talon
All the more reason to study politics ๐
Or, rather, all the more reason to study the history of your country, so you can make informed decisions when it comes to politics and not fall prey to propaganda.
odd grove
Look, we have lots here
Learning the history of argentina is a serious matter here
We went through 6 dictatorships
Argentina takes itself seriously, all the censorship that happened and the lives lost
People were stripped from their lives, their kids scattered and given new names
Many are yet to be found and told their real identity
exotic latch
Honestly, I wasn't even gonna say the history of Argentina. Like, that's more specific than what I was thinking,.
odd grove
But again, an issue with argentina is the pople themselves
Even i admit i'm dumb in several areas
They covered up an unwinnable war with a football game, and it worked
placid talon
Well, to be fair, we elected a reality tv star over a seasoned politician because...
exotic latch
I think that your hate is somewhat misplaced. Not that a complacent populace isn't like...infuriating, and certainly not helpful, but blaming poor people for the manipulation of government isn't...I don't know how helpful that is either.
placid talon
Well, who really knows.
Propaganda and outside interference is the short version of that story.
odd grove
I ain't blaming the poor people
I'm blaming the people
Literally all of argentina has this issue
They aren't complacent, they are blind
odd grove
What???
exotic latch
Wouldn't be the first time.
odd grove
Eh, honestly argentina has weird terms
exotic latch
Like, I'm not making assumptions!