He didn't need to go Ultra Saiyan to ragdoll Semi-Perfect.
#off-topic-discussion
faint panther
hasty kernel
I thought it was still semi-perfect cell
Oh, right
Because Vegeta had too much of an ego
faint panther
Remember how Vegeta almost throws the W in literally every arc after he's introduced.
hasty kernel
Vegeta is the Genos of DBZ
faint panther
Goads Freeza into transforming early, lets Cell achieve perfection, and then falls to the temptation of a rematch with Goku.
Genos is the Vegeta of OPM.
With less "I'm gonna screw the pooch to satisfy my ego."
"You're not beating me to death yet, this isn't enough of a challenge. AH, MY HUBRIS."
hasty kernel
Anyway Cale was right I suppose, anime is contentious
toxic steppe
Yarp.
faint panther
And of course, he's always #2 or #3 on the Z Fighters' roster at that point and just... Man, I wish I could stand Super's animation.
Maybe I should try the manga.
toxic steppe
Now I feel like an ass just because I enjoy something. x]
hasty kernel
DBZ for me is the worst example because its just numbers increasing
faint panther
Nah, don't.
hasty kernel
You shouldnt feel bad for enjoying Naruto
I have my flaws with it
But it has its strengths
And its not like, offensive
Now if you liked SAO on the other hand ...
wide ember
I can't like SAO at all, why wasn't .hack//wave more popular?
the abridged SAO, on the other hand
faint panther
Didn't religiously cling to popular shounen tropes like SAO probably did?
hasty kernel
SAO abridged hilariously is also just a better story
Because things actually make sense
And they dont even pretent that SAO isnt a terrible game
faint panther
Abridged animes usually try to approach their source stories with a more critical eye.
hasty kernel
Right, but its easy to fall into the trap of just being funny
faint panther
Except for Digimon The Movie Abridged, but that's just the second funniest thing TFS has ever put out.
toxic steppe
Like I said earlier, I don't feel attacked or anything, it's just discouraging to mention something is your favorite and then to immediately have all of its flaws thrust under a microscope in front of you.
hasty kernel
I probably wouldnt be very happy if someone showcased Transistors flaws
faint panther
Sorry, I know that doesn't help.
hasty kernel
If they existed
toxic steppe
It's cool we're all presumably adults here, I know it wasn't the intention.
faint panther
Transistor is pretty unkind in its treatment of LGBT characters.
hasty kernel
I know
Weve had this before actually, I learned a lot that day
Its why I can see it
faint panther
Oh, you were there for that convo, cool.
hasty kernel
I was being tongue in cheek with the "if they existed" comment
Though I will still defend it as one of my top 3 favourite games of all time
toxic steppe
Ultimately everything has flaws in some way or another.
faint panther
It was my favorite for approximately one years.
toxic steppe
Usually when you like something though, you clearly don't tend to focus on those flaws.
hasty kernel
Crosscode doesnt have flaws
toxic steppe
Haha.
hasty kernel
Jokes aside it probably does, Im just not sure what they are
toxic steppe
Well, actually.
hasty kernel
Oh I got one, Lea x Emilie isnt canon
toxic steppe
Wouldn't it be amazing if I proceeded to write up a bunch of flaws about it
I don't even know what it is
toxic steppe
PC or console?
hasty kernel
A Pixel Art isometric JRPG set in a VRMMO called "Crossworlds"
Both
Its even gonna have a switch version at some point
But that ended up taking a long time because its made in Javascript
And its still not done
toxic steppe
I'm checking its website out and they failed to use an Oxford comma where it was appropriate so that's a hard pass
Nah it actually seems interesting.
hasty kernel
Theyre germans
toxic steppe
I'll add it to my wishlist
hasty kernel
Our english is decent
fervent zenith
Someone talking Crosscode and not inviting me 🙃
hasty kernel
But sometimes we make errors
toxic steppe
Hahaha
toxic steppe
It does but I can just buy it straight out
toxic steppe
I like pixel graphics a lot
hasty kernel
If the option is there, why not
fervent zenith
Spoiler ||Lea x Emilie is Canon and will duel at dawn anyone who disagrees||
toxic steppe
I wish Secrets of Grindea actually got the development it deserved but now it's just stalled
hasty kernel
||Ok but jokes aside, the Lea and Evotar Schneider pairing is actually so adorable that I do want it to stay canon||
||Emilie and Lea also have chemistry, but it does feel more platonic||
fervent zenith
Sir, I hope you bring your own duel pistol
Slaps 🧤
hasty kernel
Ive got a BFG, does that work?
fervent zenith
Ye'
hasty kernel
Its funny though that the game already has a carefully crafted pairing that the developers intentionally strongly hinted at
And the fandom just decides to ship Lea with Emilie anyway
fervent zenith
Sir, this the internet, we ship even characters in different mediums
toxic steppe
Shipping is an interesting thing.
hasty kernel
True I suppose, and Emilie and Lea do have chemistry
wide ember
when living ships are involved shipping becomes very interesting
toxic steppe
I'm almost afraid of what a living ship is
When shipping goes beyond the boundaries of fiction then it becomes uncomfortable to me.
hasty kernel
Maybe its referring to actual living ships
hasty kernel
Iunno
faint panther
The body is explicitly an extension, the body didn't have a sophisticated enough computer to house EDI.
She's a sapient ship, as are Culture Minds, but I've tried to read two Culture books and they were opaque.
wide ember
I was thinking of living flesh ships but sentient metal ships also work
faint panther
maybe house her in a custom Geth Prime
Like, shipping my best friend with a girl we both know?
toxic steppe
She was able to experience sensations through the body tho wasn't she?
faint panther
Ooh, I think so.
toxic steppe
I don't blame Joker for his attraction
faint panther
Unfortunately, finding out for sure would involve playing that horrible campaign so I'll just say, sure.
toxic steppe
EDI is ||thicc||
faint panther
Frickin'............. Mass Effect 2.
I have an extremely volatile relationship with that game.
wide ember
I kind of want to date https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/zJsGzUnWgJDPPzUZ7nz8A7.jpg
(well, for my character to date)
faint panther
Ooohh, like a biological being that can survive atmospheric escape, re-entry, and vacuum.
toxic steppe
Thanks for reminding me that I still need to get the friggin Egg for a Living Ship in NMS
Plus there's a frigging giant mech suit now
faint panther
Ever since Star Fox Assault I've wanted General Pepper's jet fighter mech.
serene tulip
I've been a mech fan forever
toxic steppe
Do Transformers count as mechs
If so then I have too
But if not then I wasn't one until I saw Gundam
serene tulip
I'd say close enough
but yeah, piloted mechs were always my jam
friggin' Escaflowne
wide ember
did someone say Escaflowne
toxic steppe
I've been seeing a resurgence in Gundam figures at stores around town here
wide ember
I miss that show
toxic steppe
I'm going to end up buying them all
serene tulip
I used to do so much gunpla
wide ember
dragon heart powered mecha was so unique
faint panther
Well, considering you'd be better giving a dragon power armor if you weren't going to anthropomorphize...
Yes, I would like Iron Dragon, please.
wide ember
in gundam there was a horse that was a gundam pilot so I want a dragon-shape dragon to pilot a mecha too
like, not even talking horse, a regular though intelligent horse
toxic steppe
I also want a traditional dragon operating a mech suit built for a traditional dragon.
They're intelligent so why not
It would be a huge mech
wide ember
should look more dignified and awsome
this is the horse mecha btw: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/gundam/images/9/97/126610.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111121174226
wide ember
can still have the handsomeness of a sport car
faint panther
Sol, was that G Gundam?
toxic steppe
A dragon with a giant rail gun is still awesome
wide ember
and escaflowne had this, though it was piloted by spoiler https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/escaflowne/images/6/6a/Rightside031escaflowne.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20140525232911
Fuunsaiki? yes from G Gundam
hasty kernel
I would like to see a snek mech
toxic steppe
That's probably easier to find images of
Since no limbs
Eastern style dragons in mech would be also cool
serene tulip
my favorite mecha: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516763813790482464/705539981799587929/unknown.png
wide ember
snakes piloting dragon mecha to have arms
serene tulip
sans dragon
toxic steppe
LOL
hasty kernel
The second picture I posted is kind of an eastern style dragon mech
toxic steppe
I like the MG Blitz Gundam.
serene tulip
toxic steppe
I really want to get some figures and maybe even to kitbash
wide ember
oce your first video disappeared while I was watching it
toxic steppe
That was Geara Dogo right
serene tulip
I'm not a huge fan of the super ~Aesthetic~ Gundams
toxic steppe
Nice!
serene tulip
Liking mecha and not liking titanfall is valid but y'all on thin ice tho
faint panther
HA.
I love Titanfall, but I think I was still in anime/TV show mode.
Can't believe we got friggin' Apex Legends instead of Titanfall 3.
serene tulip
Oh man
I would watch the hell out of Titanfall TV show
I suck so much at pilot combat
faint panther
See, I much prefer pilot combat (high octane FPS with lots of movement and room for player skill as opposed to sighting a doorway for half a game? Yes please.) but BO3 is a bad game through and through on PC and Infinite Warfare is dead now.
toxic steppe
Titanfall 2 was a really fun FPS experience
serene tulip
I like titan combat a whole lot because it feels more about positioning
whereas like, pilot combat is about almost pure reaction speed
toxic steppe
I loved the movement.
serene tulip
me too I was just crap at it :<
toxic steppe
F
faint panther
You can carry a lot more reliably in pilot vs pilot than trying to turn a game around after the other guys have three Titans.
faint panther
I skipped 2.
toxic steppe
I skipped 1 lol
faint panther
I don't know why, I didn't even play another FPS during that time.
toxic steppe
TF2 was super fun
faint panther
I almost skipped 1 because I was getting super tired of shooters and MP games in general, but I played one match during the beta and was immediately hooked.
hasty kernel
I think theyre still gonna make TF3, arent they?
Also I never got to play Titanfall
I imagine I wouldve enjoyed it even though I would be terrible at it
I suck at aiming
Even in Planetside 2, the one FPS I play a fair bit, I basically can only play snipers and only on enemies who move predictably or better yet, not at all
serene tulip
oh god I loved planetside 2
I mostly specialized in driving sundies and galaxies
Logistics ahoy
hasty kernel
I play exclusively sniper infiltrator
I tried SMG, sucked at it
Although I do sometimes just go on power knife sprees
People have a surprisingly hard time dealing with a knife-wielding maniac running at them
serene tulip
The only time I'd ever play infiltrator is when NC or TR had the crown and there was fighting in a neighboring sector
so I'd fly my scythe in real high and drop on top of the crown with the parachute thing
and snipe people from on top of the crown with a silenced sniper
hasty kernel
As I said, I just suck at aiming
So being able to retry while being safe is helpful
Though Sniper battles are also just fun
serene tulip
that's the thing though
all their snipers would be on the crown facing one of the neighboring sectors
and I'd just be sniping them from on top of the crown's tower
because they'd not be moving
hasty kernel
But yeah, somehow despite playing video games for at least 15 years, I still struggle with dexterity and aim
I cant do fighting game combos either
serene tulip
I've been playing rivals of aether(smash brothers clone) with a friend of mine
a lot
and like, practice definitely helps because i never thought I'd be able to deal with like, 3 frame inputs and stuff
hasty kernel
Believe me, practice isnt my issue, I played fighting games a lot
Its just that whenever I try to go for a combo I kinda just start mashing the buttons clumsily
I can do simple stuff like a couple Seth loops in BBTAG
And I still am able to do like counter moves
But actual combos are a pain
I guess Im just ... impatient?
faint panther
See, you can do FGC, I can do shooters.
hasty kernel
Ehhh, I cant really do FGC either, Im like the highest part of low level at best
I just enjoy them regardless
Its how I learned to be fine with losing
faint panther
I can't even do basic strings, just autocombos if the game has them.
hasty kernel
Well what Im doing is just a step above that
Its basically "autocombos then press one different button, maybe 2"
I guess at least with shooters you get matched with equal skill level players
fervent zenith
Why the heck there is a Hello Neighbor TV Series?
faint panther
- The IP holders wanted to make a TV show or 2) The IP holders thought they could make more money off it.
hasty kernel
Oh the new legend looks interesting
Cat burglar archetype
Wonder what her abilities are
fervent zenith
Still, pretty bruh moment
wide ember
(as of 2 years ago max gladstone apparently only earned 48k a year)
(that's so little I hope it's more now)
serene tulip
Beer is tasty
fervent zenith
I prefer beef
wide ember
beef with beer
faint panther
Brown beef of various varieties and textures and then deglaze your pan with beer.
toxic steppe
Finally got around to watching the Sonic movie and it's genuinely good
fervent zenith
Thank God they redesigned it
toxic steppe
Right?
I know it wasn't, but if it had been a whole publicity thing and intentional that would have been 4D level chess stuff
faint panther
Agh, there are so many movies I could stand to see.
faint panther
Detective Pikachu, Deadpool 2, Incredibles 2, Knives Out, Sonic.
Rise of Skywalker was obviously the biggest.
fervent zenith
In case you are curious
-
X-Men: Dark Phoenix, total loss- $133 million
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Terminator: Dark Fate, total loss- $123 million
-
Cats, total loss- $114 million
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Gemini Man, total loss- $111 million
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Missing Link, total loss- $101 million
faint panther
Same.
fervent zenith
I'm not surprised gemini man was such a bomb. Can you imagine the cost of cloning Will Smith and then paying him a Will Smith salary? 
toxic steppe
Excited for future installments because Daniel Craig's character is amazing
faint panther
Wish I'd seen it instead of Star Wars.
toxic steppe
Haha.
I'm still glad I saw Star Wars, as disappointing as some (most) aspects of it were.
fervent zenith
Daniel Craig smugly smiling as he got just in time a new franchise character to do after Bond
toxic steppe
Everybody in the film is great.
fervent zenith
Still buff
toxic steppe
You can tell they had fun making it.
It's like the most Wes Anderson non-Wes Anderson film I've seen too.
The house that it takes place in for the most part is such a character in and of itself.
fervent zenith
I'm just glad an original IP movie was successful for once
toxic steppe
Facts.
I was also glad to see what might be considered a tired formula subvert my expectations.
fervent zenith
Also Missing link failing hurts me because I freaking loved Kubo
fervent zenith
Although Kubo was most appealing
As it didn't look as generic
It was a flop not a bomb
It just barely broke even
toxic steppe
Well that's good that it didn't lose money, at least.
fervent zenith
Yeah
It lost it in cinemas, they broke even thanks to VOD and video
Also seeing the guys do an scene is jaw dropping
summer jacinth
serene tulip
So I'm watching tales from the loop
It's interesting
You would think that odd things happening would be a little more commonplace, ep2 ||oh, we switched bodies, that's cool, time to go to the loop I guess||
serene tulip
serene tulip
wide ember
loki yes
fervent zenith
Loki meh
desert minnow
loki is generally very overrated even if he is a fun character don’t @ me
tranquil oracle
yeeee
summer jacinth
bronze notch
do you guys know if hearthstone is worth getting into? Like is it possible to have a good time as a beginner without paying for packs or at this point is it only veterans?
hasty kernel
Well
You can have fun as a beginner, but you wont be getting any of the good decks for quite a while
And you will always be more limited, especially compared to those who pay
abstract dock
Hello ppl. I'm writing this movie about a poor kid in the middle ages that finds Death (in the form of a young girl) trapped in a secret room in a chapel of a sociopathic priest.
I have two questions:
- If you see this description for a movie, are you getting curious to see it?
- As a sub-theme, I want to have this little conflict between Christian and Greek religion. What is interesting for me to read and do research for in terms of Greek religion and mythologie about death?
When writing this question I just realised how much of an influence Hades has been on this idea lol.
wide ember
Death as a little girl reminds me of SCP at first sight
they sent the agent a gun and he shot Death to... um, cessation of existence? and nobody could ever die after that
abstract dock
Not sure what that is tho. I'll look into it. thx 🙂 Also, you made me realise something that I have to change a couple things in the log line.
blissful charm
hey long shot does anyone here know about growing lemons
wide ember
this is the SCP: http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-3448
abstract dock
@wide ember Ah ok gotcha. Thanks!
wide ember
I've never grown lemons but apparently you need to sprout them inside, grow them outside, then bring them inside if you want?
and since they like nitrogen, maybe planting some beans in its pot could help?
blissful charm
beans is a good idea ty
wide ember
speaking of bean mine is having mildew, time to mouthwash it
fervent zenith
Oh black Skylands seems like a legit game by the demo
wide ember
I do like feeling like a bird sometimes though
those childhood vertical shooter games tend to use this perspective
sudden torrent
that reminds me of was it arma game? Which had this interesting "seagull" view point, which put you into body of seagull flying around
although it was buggy, I was found of way of spectacting.
wide ember
I bought assassin's creed origins solely for the ability to play as the bird
serene tulip
fervent zenith
Me: I wish for more Berserk chapters soon
Monkey paw: K
Pandemic makes idolmaster to cancel events
toxic steppe
@blissful charm There's plant food you can buy that's soluble in water and very nitrogen rich, a single box can last you over a year depending on how many plants you have.
I just got some snapdragons, blueberries, petunias, hula berries, lavender, catnip, and basil to plant today.
The first four are established already and I need to germinate the rest.
As sol said, you can sprout the lemons inside then move outside but if there's no frost where you are you can also just start them outside.
I planted sunflowers about two weeks back and they just all finally shed off their shells today
Super late response but I had a productive day, so.
desert minnow
GRIFIIIIIITH
serene tulip
Bon Appetit live stream that before this explanation from their donor was just doing a whipped cream race https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbJ84xWs8aw
E.G. who can whip a bowl of cream the fastest
Chris smoked everyone
toxic steppe
I got this p. sick cassette tape recorder today
blissful charm
@toxic steppe thanks for info!
faint panther
What third person shooter has the best gameplay overall?
Resident Evil 4?
Control?
Vanquish?
Mass Effect: Andromeda?
Gears 5?
Does Nier: Automata count?
I haven't played Vanquish on PC, and I haven't played Control or Gears 5, but I'm surprised RE4 is even on this list.
Andromeda is the winner for me.
But I'd put ME3 above it.
I misread a bit.
I wouldn't consider Nier a 3PS.
hexed hollow
Near a tomato plays around with camera angles a bit doesn't it?
faint panther
Yeah, it does.
It's always third person, I don't remember any first person sequences.
But it does go 2.5D and there are the occasional shmup sequence.
True.
Anyone else?
hexed hollow
army of two and army of two: the 40th day where pretty good from what I remember
faint panther
Most of the big third person shooters are slow and cover based, from what I can see.
It can't be that hard to spice up third person shooter combat and mobility.
Maybe increase the speed of your character's strafe?
Allow them to actually jump with some height?
Twice?
hexed hollow
mmhm, RE3R seemed to do well with increasing speed of combat a bit especially with the dodge mechanic (but keep in mind I mostly watch speedruns of RE3R)
faint panther
Andromeda was a movement in a nice direction with jumping and dodges for all characters, but the execution was significantly worse than 3.
@faint panther Control outright lets you fly.
It's super fast, super mobile and super agressive.
I saw the first gameplay videos for Anthem and went "WHAT." and then the game came out.
Just let them make an Iron Man game.
Really, Remedy games seem to mostly be, on a gameplay level, interested in translating the insane speed and mobility of an arena shooter into 3rd person.
He's retired in the MCU, we can get a voicealike, Anthem was quite close. A straight-up choices RPG would even be a cool way to explore Iron Man's darker side.
They've made Control, Quantum Break...
odd grove
I'm bored i suppose
faint panther
Oh, wow, they did the first two Max Paynes.
Wasn't Anthem kind of a mediocre schlog of an actual game?
Yup.
Also, crap, Warframe at least partially plays like a super fast, super agile third person shooter, doesn't it?
It was close to the Iron Man experience, I mean.
At least part of the appeal is it's insane mobility tech.
I haven't played Warframe in 7 years but I've seen some recent gameplay and it is fast.
As for the Iron Man game, just hire John Favreau as the lead writer.
EA and Disney are already buddy-buddy for Star Wars.
Get Matt Fraction or an actual comics writer instead.
odd grove
Anthem did several things wrong
odd grove
For one, the loot is useless
faint panther
That's fair.
odd grove
MANY games nowadays have that "loot is trash" trope
faint panther
See, why not just make a game not based on loot, then?
odd grove
You just got some "rare" weapons that are weaker than your current gear, now sell them for a feeble amount
faint panther
Because then you've lost a microtransaction incentive.
odd grove
Or getting consumables when the game doesn't benefit all that much
In some JRPGs you either get very little loot, our you are showered in several items
Like for example Octopath
In that game most items have straight upgrades, but several unique ones have these big stats with one "but*" at the end
Anyways long story short nobody likes getting stuff just to throw it in the trash
faint panther
Ooohh, Control is inspired by the SCP Foundation.
odd grove
When did that pop out?
faint panther
Pardon?
odd grove
Like how did you suddenly think "Control"
Sorry i'm not 100% what the convo is about yet
faint panther
We were talking about it earlier and I had the page open on Wikipedia.
odd grove
I just like to talk about games
Well so uhm
I just bought Strange Journey
I played it for what feels like 12 hours so far
Started on Expert, gotta say i'm not dissapointed
odd grove
@faint panther wait noooooo 😢
hexed hollow
ni ni Schpoon 
faint panther
Wanna talk to me instead, Net.Ray?
faint panther
Video games.
Specifically, what you think the best third person shooters are, and how you'd expand the genre.
I like fast, acrobatic shooters, bear in mind, so I'm obviously kind of biased.
odd grove
Oh okay so
Third person shooters are on an odd spot
Nowadays over the shoulder is seemingly the go-to for virtually every new game that doesn't fall into a new genre
First we must think about the advantages and disadvantages of third person games
First off, ranged and melee combat are both consistent
faint panther
So combining them both is much easier in third person.
odd grove
Yeah, for example TF2
faint panther
Second, you can much more easily identify and track the motions of the player character.
This is why melee action games use third person, and why Tekken uses fairly close up 3rd person.
odd grove
Using awareness as a "tool" for a game is also a deciding factor
faint panther
Alongside Soul Calibur.
odd grove
Tekken uses third person because it's a fighting game
faint panther
Because being able to recognize your own movement in these games is important.
odd grove
Every fighting game does it because it's part of the balance, to make both players share the same screen
faint panther
True, Net.Ray.
odd grove
In a fighting game, having both players be on equal grounds for technical elements is key
For example one of the things Tekken does very weird is some odd combos that only work on P1/P2 side
faint panther
I'm planning on creating a third person shooter fighting game of a sort.
Is why I'm asking.
odd grove
Well making games is though
faint panther
But also, what are your first disadvantage and second advantage?
To get back to your original point?
odd grove
Well, disadvantage is that it can be somewhat chaotic
For example, in some games the bullets come out from the character's weapon into the target
In others, it's from wherever the camera is in a straight line
This can make cover and peeking interact in rather "interesting" ways
One example of a good third person shooter i can think of is Risk of Rain 2
The game features endless hordes of enemies, and forces you to survive them
Naturally all those enemies mean constant, endless attacks
That's why you're playing in third person, the be aware of your surroundings
However, that is not enough
The game features a move-or-die type of gameplay, and you can't put every living enemy inside your screen
So instead, they use sound cues
Every single enemy and attack have a particular sound effect attached
You can tell it's happeneing and from where in general, allowing you to properly react
This is because awareness goes beyond simple visual cues
Also, a disadvantage that comes from third person games is that the feel playing it has is as strong as what you see
Think of it like this, how would playing Tekken be like if instead of models, you only saw hitboxes?
Now think about Doom, a game that is first person and feels great to play
But the over the top animations are pretty much exclusive to glory kills
That "oomph" is essential in games, but if a third person game lacks the right amount it becomes easily more noticeable than other sorts
@faint panther Does this kinda make sense?
Guess not
autumn pasture
they likely went to bed, hahah
desert wadi
https://kidsactivitiesblog.com/137828/digital-escape-rooms/ a fun all-ages thing to do
https://kidsactivitiesblog.com/135637/virtual-museum-tours/ also, some museum resources
anyways, i solved the harry potter escape room in about 20 minutes (got tripped up by the last question bc i suck at maps)
vivid ridge
will these escape rooms spend 45 minutes telling me what ice-9 is
while i'm supposedly dying
hushed zenith
Only if they also toss in morphogenetic fields
desert wadi
ah, ya, i played zero escape games but it's been ages
fervent zenith
Something, something, snails
vivid ridge
time really is a rat circle
hushed zenith
Welcome back to Eorzea, then!!!
serene tulip
Anyone on Marlboro with a casual company(?) that needs a tank?
"Who invited these children?"
vivid ridge
time to learn the new boss fights
odd grove
"What is this pop band doing in my office"
serene tulip
fervent zenith
It also implies that with the exception of Matt Damon there aren't men and women in Mars
sharp grail
vivid ridge
I should probably stop the auto renew on my ffxiv sub
wide ember
does anyone know how to plant and grow mung bean sprouts from the sprouts
I imagine it's the same as other plants, wait 14 days for roots to develop and then plant in bigger pot or outdoor?
north hamlet
not specifically, but i think they'll grow in moist cotton balls
and yeah waiting til the roots grow out sounds good
wide ember
I've tried to plant the beans directly before but the sprouts always died from dehydration
so this time they are sprouted
wide ember
finished watching SAC_2045 today, the writing is good, though Mili's ending song freaks me out as usual
wide ember
it was sustain++;, I'll post it in the music channel
Mili is an awesome band, but the fact that they are japanese and hired a canadian means they manage to get some truly horrifying mood mixed in their songs
the resonance level is also way too high
hexed hollow
ty ^_^ listening to it now, I likes
my favorite songs will still be nine point eight and utopiosphere
both of which I've linked in #music
wide ember
I'm been trying to forget deemo and cytus because those games are so sad
though deemo ending was technically bittersweet? since ||the girl wakes up, I think||
||but there was no changing that the brother died saving her||
and I like how deemo allowed me to collect glow stuff to unlock new songs instead of relying purely on beating existing songs or microtransaction
it was truly free to win, the microtransaction was for non-canon additional songs
hexed hollow
||yeah, the girl wakes up, but it's also very sad because she now has to come to the realisation that she has to live without her brother||
deemo is also on the switch, where you get literally all the songs, same for cytus
wide ember
+_+
hexed hollow
it's also on ps4 and plays very very differantly (deemo)
I really want cytus II to come to the switch at some point
I still vividly remember the ending of deemo ||everything was going well, then got hit by a metric tonne of feels with the ending||
wide ember
and ||the song was empty/silent for a long while, then suddenly there was one note||
||and with that one note, feelings||
it really delivered the "this is the end to this story" feeling
hexed hollow
mmhm definitely, I really love the recursion thing in deemo, more stuff to unlock and ||after the 4th time finishing the game you unlock marigold, which is very grandiose and light hearted compared to Fluqour, but also serves as really good contrast to both magnolia and myosotis||
wide ember
||wait what 4th time? I've only done the recursion once so no wonder I've never heard of that one||
gotta play deemo tomorrow, maybe
I'm still laughing over how "call me mommy, just like your fantasy" lyrics overlaps with the team mom Batou's face appearing in the ending animation in the meantime
Batou is the ultimate anime mom, he's honestly my favourite character
bronze notch
@wide ember oh is it something you'd recommend watching? or is only so-so
wide ember
I highly recommend if you've already watched the previous shows, but only so-so recommend if you haven't watched the previous shows
because it starts in media res in a way that a newcomer to the series would feel totally lost
if you are really fiction-smart and can read and absorb the overwhelming details as fast as they throw at you, then I also highly recommend
it's best to watch the 1995 movie first to get an idea, then dive into this one, I'll see if I can do a ghost in the shell marathon here
odd grove
I killed the god of toilets AMA
desert minnow
why
fervent zenith
Ok, new game recommendation
'Whispers Of A Machine' was cool af
If you like detective stories in can be of your tastes
hasty kernel
I still need to play that
bronze notch
@wide ember I've seen and loved the original 1995 ghost in the shell, but haven't seen Stand Alone Complex, I can't find anywhere online to view it
@fervent zenith I got that game as part of a twitch prime free game, I haven't started yet but it seems really cool. Also if you liked that game I recommend you to check out the game "Technobabylon", it's a sci fi pixel point and click set in the 2080s
it's a detective story too, so you might be into that
fervent zenith
Ok I'll take a look thanks
hasty kernel
Well, you could buy SAC on steam, but its kinda pricey
I dont think its on any legal streaming websites
velvet fjord
wasn't it on hulu?
hasty kernel
No idea
faint panther
FF7R spoilers: ||I missed the full "beating destiny" sequence the first time I watched someone play through. This is not good.||
hasty kernel
||My guess is still that they will subvert it. For being arbitraters of fate, the whispers kept messing up the timeline too much||
||Also Aerith is waaaay too shady||
fervent zenith
||FF7R has yet to beat Destiny on sales but it's getting closer||
tender cobalt
||Something something clouds & squalls yada yada||
desert minnow
||they’re totally gonna go for an animesque cliche’d beating destiny lol||
fervent zenith
||Poor Destiny, he just wants to do streams||
somber ferry
@hexed hollow yeah, it's honestly so cool they've done sales on the full dlc suite recently
i remember when they added rin and sagar alongside one of those promos
i had most of the dlc at that point, but i still got a nice sale on them because of it
hexed hollow
Mmhm, i remember buying cytus II when it first released but my phone was a potato then and couldn't run it
somber ferry
i got into it around uhhhhh
a few weeks after ivy was added i think
one of my coworkers at the time recommended it to me
hexed hollow
Niceu ^_^
I got into rayark rhythm games through a good friend who is insanely good at them, started with deemo and binged through that in a few days
somber ferry
niceeeee
i played a bit of voez before getting into cytus, but cytus was my go-to commuting game for the longest time before everyone started working from home
hexed hollow
Niceu, I've only played a small bit of voez and the song selection seemed a bit weaker overall compared to deemo or cytus
somber ferry
yeah, and the fact it isn't optimized for iphone x was a bit annoying too haha
hexed hollow
For me i think the songs of deemo and cytus fit so much more thematically to the games they're in as well as their stories that help tie the songs to the narrative as well
I really like how cytus II incorpoerates glitched songs into story progression for example
Oof that sucks
hexed hollow
Neko is awesome, there is no character so far I don't like 
faint panther
I have not watched his video and I will not comment on other's opinions.
I guess it's not as negative as I'm portraying, you're asking my take on the validity of Dunkey's take, but I really haven't seen the video.
faint panther
Yeah, most of the people I've spoken to aren't being terribly charitable.
At this point I think I need to put 100 hours myself into it before I talk more about it.
odd grove
It can be tough to differentiate satire from serious points on Dunkey's vids tho
faint panther
Was it a dunkview?
odd grove
Yeah
faint panther
From the few of those I've seen I think those are almost purely serious discussion.
faint panther
Exactly.
odd grove
They exaggerate stuff about the game, but NEVER in a way that's "wrong"
Except maybe on Octopath
Where dunkey completely ignored the main mechanics the game was built on
faint panther
I've seen a few ZP like that, that seemed to miss the point of a game or they were being intentionally obtuse about gameplay and he ripped it for it.
Like, I don't know, ignoring Hammers in Hades and then complaining that weapons aren't powerful enough by the end of the game.
vivid ridge
to be fair octopath is like a boomer jrpg like ion fury is a boomer shooter
tender cobalt
I assume the 3DS is recharging yet again 
odd grove
Peach i have gamed a lot
tender cobalt
That means yes
odd grove
Also i tried to fuse a dang demon just to ive up and use a password instead
I'm still wondering, are passwords cheats or not?
faint panther
Oh man, gamers are just the worst human beings on the planet for their given conditions.
tender cobalt
If it gives you an overpowered demon in the current stage of the game you are in, I suppose so
faint panther
Reading about Ion Fury and the "Controversy" about bigoted remarks from devs and messages and images in-game, and when they were removed because that stuff has no place in a video game, the game was review bombed citing censorship.
odd grove
Uh, what?
Also i just used a password because a quest asked me to yeet specific demons
What's ion fury and why did it get bombed?
Like... bigoted remarks?
hasty kernel
Homophobic messages hidden in the game IIRC
odd grove
Uh?
tender cobalt
Then it's not cheating because that part of the game is really annoying @odd grove
hasty kernel
They removed that, and then the game got reviewbombed because "censorship" or some such rubbish
odd grove
What?
hasty kernel
Oh right, let me take it from the top
odd grove
Is it some of those "the bad guy in the game said a bad thing!!!"
Like for example, this villain says he loves to eat babies and everyone should do it
hasty kernel
Well no, they were hidden messages
hasty kernel
In essence, yes
raven harbor
They also walked back their promise to remove the content, by the way
odd grove
But what was it, even?
faint panther
Homophobic slurs.
odd grove
I think that sort of things ranges from "dark humor" to "boomer humor"
faint panther
No.
hasty kernel
The f slur specifically
Im not going to type it out, but you probably know what I mean
odd grove
French
raven harbor
hasty kernel
Also the devs turned out to be bigots themselves, but thats a different story
But yeah this whole "oh no, its censorship!!1!1!" thing always grinds my gears
Especially because when you have actual censorship
raven harbor
Yeah nine times out of ten it's just people wanting to get away screaming slurs scot-free
faint panther
"We should be free to say whatever repugnant thing we want without consequence."
hasty kernel
Like yknow, LGBT characters being cut in russian or chinese releases
Those same people have no issue with that
raven harbor
No because that's putting politics in muh video games
hasty kernel
That one also bothers me
Because video games are famously an a-political genre
Yknow, apolitical games like Spec Ops the Line, the whole Metal Gear series
faint panther
I hear that one more because they're putting characters who aren't Nathan Drakalikes as the lead or in most any prominent position, usually.
hasty kernel
Bleeding hell even JRPGs have political messages
raven harbor
I think the best one I saw was claiming Bioshock wasn't political
faint panther
Yeah, the racial messaging in Tales of Symphonia got to me.
odd grove
Uhm, you know...
I kinda feel you're giving too much time to hating people who just seem dumb to you
It's just not healthy to focus all that much on that, i'm just saying
hasty kernel
I dont hate people
Well other than Nazis but then again who doesnt
Its just you see this a lot
And it gets annoying
odd grove
People can say "games are political" or "games shouldn't be political" but both statements are right
In the end it's about who makes that game
faint panther
So people who claim Nier isn't political, what's your take on them?
odd grove
Like, look at the deep religious, existential and social themes featured in Megaten games
raven harbor
Right, but the notion that including a character that isn't white or male as the focal point is "political" is ludicrous
hasty kernel
Yes
And the fact that its usually the same people who enjoy games like the Metal Gear series
That makes it even worse
Its a kind of hypocrisy thats just blatant
odd grove
That's pretty silly... But, i think the real issue is that the connection between the two sides isn't as good as it could
raven harbor
I also ascribe to the idea that art, including games, is inherently political by nature, but that's a discussion I don't have the spoons to give or have
odd grove
I'll be honest... people just pay too much attention to secondary tags on people
hasty kernel
But yeah there is nothing "political" about having a main character who isnt a burly white guy
odd grove
They should look for something more intimate to relate to, in a more emotional level
As far as story goes, that is
hasty kernel
I mean I would argue against that idea since you can have art that is apolitical, but if you mean that the art is shaped by the artist, who himself is inevitably shaped by his own beliefs, including political ones, thats something I would agree with
raven harbor
That's along the lines I mean, yeah
odd grove
I feel like fighting games like tekken or guilty gear do those things well
They add characters and fill them with personality, trying to make them from different backgrounds and personalities
hasty kernel
There is a case to be made that there is still a certain uneven distribution in terms of design
odd grove
Every character proves itself to the player, and it's honestly amazing
hasty kernel
Like male characters being wildly different in terms of body build while female characters fit into 2 categories
And the uneven distribution of fanservice
In fighting games
Though its gotten better
odd grove
Tekken fanservices everything
hasty kernel
I still find it hilarious that with every instalment of guilty gear, Millia Rage wears more clothes
raven harbor
Skullgirls is wonderful but boy does it have All Those Problems
hasty kernel
I really like Millias new design tbh
odd grove
It was odd for me at first
hasty kernel
I mean the one game thats better about this is P4A
Because they just wear school uniforms
odd grove
Because Millia's design is the ONLY ONE that came from a pachinko game
faint panther
I was excited about that Gran Blue action game coming up until I saw a bunch of the character designs in Versus.
odd grove
And became the main one
hasty kernel
Actually UNIST is pretty good about this
raven harbor
I'll be honest, I thought GBFV was going to do Ladiva dirty, but giving Arcsys and the parent company (whoever owns Granblue) credit, she's handled remarkably well past the incredibly early content
hasty kernel
There is exactly one female character I would call fanservice-y
And even there its not like full-on Litchi from BB
odd grove
I mean tbh
Mori just loves his anime tropes
Also, he tried to make both Nanako and Dojima playable characters in P4A
Atlus, confused, turned him down
hasty kernel
Mika is basically wearing a swimsuit
odd grove
Isn't she supposed to be the happy go lucky kid with negative IQ?
hasty kernel
That does not have much relevance to her character design
odd grove
I just... don't see anything wrong with it, not even in a fanservice way
hasty kernel
But yes
odd grove
Exposed navel ain't really new in fashion
hasty kernel
Again, its basically a swimsuit, on the youngest character in the cast
Its not as bad as some other examples I can think of
But its not good either
odd grove
Well, that's japan for you i guess
hasty kernel
Unfortunately
odd grove
I feel you would love Strange Journey
The ultimate social commentary in any SMT game ever
Puts Persona 5 to shame several times
hasty kernel
Possible, though Im not a fan of that gameplay if Im seeing it correctly
odd grove
It's a dungeon crawler
raven harbor
I mean, P5 is also usually considered the worst of the three modern Personas, so I feel like that's not a high bar to clear
odd grove
The encounters are "random"
odd grove
P5 focuses more on society
hasty kernel
Weakest, yes
odd grove
Ah, combat
hasty kernel
But given that theyre all pretty good
hasty kernel
That doesnt say much
odd grove
Even Phys ones
hasty kernel
For what its worth I do think Persona 5 is the weakest one, largely because the story at the very end kinda falls apart a little
Probably has the best overall cast though
odd grove
P5 literally loses everything past the first palace
Because it's doomed to fail in story due the persona formula
It's always like this
You beat a big dude, then a new teenager appears, there's no name on the box... but with a huge portrait next to them
fervent zenith
That reminds me to a joke about Bigoted gamers
hasty kernel
Basically my one big gripe with the P5 plot is the ||bigger bad||
odd grove
P5 is just wasted potential
hasty kernel
||The big bad works pretty well, but then you have a deus ex machina||
odd grove
For example, they "steal hearts"
hasty kernel
I wouldnt go quite that far
fervent zenith
My big gripe with P5 is ||No Sae Romance||
odd grove
Does that mean whoever they stole hearts from, becomes automatically good?
hasty kernel
The plot falls apart at the end, but only at the end
fervent zenith
Why live?
odd grove
Are they even the same person?
hasty kernel
||Sae is like 10 years older and in a position of power||
||Thats too uncomfortable a dynamic||
odd grove
But you can date Kawakami
fervent zenith
The steal hearts is metaphorical, they steal what was corrupting them
raven harbor
Isn't that like, a question several characters ask several times
odd grove
Which is literally the same dynamic
fervent zenith
They steal the medal that made the teacher so bitter on his fall of Grace
odd grove
So if they steal what was corrupting them, and now they are like "OH MY GOD I'M A MONSTER" that means they will never do wrong again
hasty kernel
The only time I saw the "teacher and student falling for each other plot done well is in Persona 3
hasty kernel
Mostly because they werent aware and when she finds out she does immediately note how awful this is
fervent zenith
The thing is. The guys are such jerks that cause death and misery that it's seen as the best option
odd grove
It's about a gamer and a gamerette finding love
fervent zenith
That's Why Sae and the fanboy don't get their heart stolen
odd grove
Yeah i know it's symbolic
hasty kernel
The culmination to the ||first big bad|| does too
odd grove
But they sorta lobotomize someone to create a "new person" out of them
hasty kernel
But then it feels like the writers went ||wait, what do they have to do now? We gotta shoehorn a fight against god somehow, this is persona||
odd grove
Yet they don't feel like working more around such an interesting concept?
hasty kernel
Thats not how I interpreted it
raven harbor
I mean, they literally question whether this is okay several times
odd grove
It's just odd
hasty kernel
||The igor twist was good, but it leads into something so uninteresting||
raven harbor
The person in question also just happens to cross the Godzilla Threshold every time to justify it
odd grove
They essentially take a monster and replace it with a broken doll who pays for the crimes of someone who is virtually dead
hasty kernel
Again, not how I interpreted it
Theyre still the same person
Its just that the thing thats been gnawing at them quietly was dragged out into the open
fervent zenith
I think you are overthinking it
hasty kernel
They became aware of the horribleness of their own actions
odd grove
Hmm, makes sense as well...
fervent zenith
They get OVERWHELMED by regret
hasty kernel
Yeah
fervent zenith
Like you inserted conscience in a sociopath
odd grove
People can change, too
fervent zenith
Society moves on
fervent zenith
Net.Ray. p5 acknowledges it
hasty kernel
Just that they moved on from that
fervent zenith
Some don't get the heart stolen and changes
raven harbor
Man, I wish I could like P4 more than I do
hasty kernel
But thats the philosophy of rehabilitation vs punishment
odd grove
Yeah, it's true
fervent zenith
Guys one thing
odd grove
Punishment is more to set an example...
hasty kernel
Personally I wish I could like P3 more than I do
fervent zenith
I was talking about C2077 with friends
hasty kernel
But the main group youre with are just not interesting
odd grove
BUT DEMON FUSION IS A PAIN
hasty kernel
Junpei didnt become unteresting until the second half
I didnt like Yukari, Mitsuru or Ken much
raven harbor
I think the story being really interesting trumps the characters being interesting from 4, for me
hasty kernel
Akihiko is meh
fervent zenith
Joseph Anderson made me love P5 even more tbh
raven harbor
Plus I was really let down by how certain aspects were handled
odd grove
"Protein"
hasty kernel
Shinjiro is great but ||you know||
fervent zenith
The 'Protein Lovers' gym
hasty kernel
I liked Persona 4s story a lot
hasty kernel
But I have a soft spot for it because it has a type of villain that I think is rare
raven harbor
I really wanted Atlus to not be cowards about those two
hasty kernel
The realistic irredeemable one
raven harbor
But here we are
odd grove
But alas, Atlus won't allow
hasty kernel
Yeah sadly canonically Naoto is either oblivious or not interested
odd grove
It's just ridiculous why they aren't together
hasty kernel
Its never exactly stated which of the 2
odd grove
They have two different sides of the "same" problem
tender cobalt
I don't think Naoto is oblivious. She's an ace detective, after all
fervent zenith
P4 has the rare ||fuel Station attendant|| villain
hasty kernel
She is very intelligent
odd grove
Naoto is also canonically a killjoy
hasty kernel
That doesnt mean she cant be oblivious
odd grove
Also people can be smart and love-blind
raven harbor
It felt like they were going a very different route for Naoto's arc and that, in domino, dumpstered Kanji's, in my eyes
hasty kernel
She is noted to be not very good at reading people
fervent zenith
Can we agree Anne is worst girl?
odd grove
I literally have a higher than average IQ and can't tell when i'm being hit on
tender cobalt
I'm actually glad they aren't dating because friendship~
hasty kernel
No? Ann is perfectly fine
raven harbor
Or rather that they didn't go where I thought they were
fervent zenith
Ann is like... So unremarkable
odd grove
Ironically Ann isn't as popular in Japan because she isn't as japanese
Also Ann suffers from "first girl syndrome"
She's as vanilla as it gets, to the point of insipidness
odd grove
She ain't as bad as Yukiko tho
hasty kernel
For that matter "first girl" in P4 was chie, sooo
No but like, Ann is not exactly breaking new ground
hasty kernel
Its the "kind and compassionate girl who has good looks but wishes people saw her for what she was underneath her good looks" archetype
But played out well
hasty kernel
And she gets actually good character development
Including in her dealing with guilt at failing to stop it
fervent zenith
Bruh
hasty kernel
You know what I mean
odd grove
Bruh momento
hasty kernel
If anything I found Makoto less interesting in P5
fervent zenith
I said ++++ing a shotgun lmao. My apologies
odd grove
Makoto is just diet Sae
Also every single one of you should play Persona 2: Innocent Sin
raven harbor
Atlus are cowards who won't let me date Ryuji
fervent zenith
What about the photographer, the hippie and the doctor?
hasty kernel
Though I figure Makoto just has the misfortune of having a bad first impression
Also yes, let us date Ryuji
You mean the reporter?
fervent zenith
Ye'
odd grove
Why date Ryuji when Morgana is a human now
hasty kernel
The doctor is alright, but not romantically because no
fervent zenith
I call her hippie because she looks like one
odd grove
Now he's finally useful for something
raven harbor
I have only a slightly higher opinion of Morgana than I do of Teddy
hasty kernel
Didnt care for the Fortuneteller
odd grove
Teddy is better
hasty kernel
Also because Ryuji is actually a good guy
And Morgana is just kinda there
Like Ryuji looks cute and all
raven harbor
I vehemently Do Not Like Teddy
odd grove
Why does Ryuji get bullied by a simp cat again
hasty kernel
But his biggest asset is just that he is a genuinely very good guy
odd grove
He saved most phantom thieves from certain death several times
raven harbor
Ryuji is an idiot but he's a good idiot
odd grove
He's Yusuke level Epic
fervent zenith
Most important love interest here ||https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/toranosuke_yoshida.png||
hasty kernel
I would argue he has the strongest moral compass of the phantom thieves
Oh hey, thats the best confidant
odd grove
Reminder: Yusuke lead the investigation before Naoto joined
raven harbor
Yosuke?
hasty kernel
Also I would somewhat disagree with saying that Ryuji is an idiot
fervent zenith
Ryuju is laid back
hasty kernel
He is book dumb, yes
raven harbor
He's brash and passionate, which makes him come off dumber than he actually is
fervent zenith
It's not like he can't think he just doesn't bother
hasty kernel
But he actually comes up with good plans
And has shown great quick thinking
Anyway the best part is again just how genuinely nice of a guy he is
fervent zenith
Yusuke is more of an idiot. He is knowledgeable but street dumb
odd grove
Meanwhile morgana be like "Lady Ann, i have already made my donation"
raven harbor
Yosuke would be better if he wasn't Like That to Kanji
Or just Like That in general
hasty kernel
I didnt like Yosuke much
odd grove
!?
raven harbor
Same
hasty kernel
He is the worst of the main secondary male protagonist
hasty kernel
He is a selfish prick
fervent zenith
fervent zenith
Akechi SUUUUUUCKS
hasty kernel
Junpei is a lot better
raven harbor
The dating sim is why you play Persona
vivid ridge
no pesky school life
fervent zenith
@vivid ridge ^
odd grove
Junpei literally loved a girl into the good guys
vivid ridge
only p o w e r
fervent zenith
I love it
odd grove
How can you hate him
odd grove
Is "Sounds like toothpaste" a weak start?
raven harbor
I have one issue with Junpei and it's nothing to do with his character or arc lol
vivid ridge
that's still going on huh
odd grove
My issue is that Portable's ending wasn't canon...........