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hasty kernel
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How do I spoiletag images?

fervent zenith
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hasty kernel
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Is it enough if I just tag the link?

fervent zenith
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yes

hasty kernel
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There was one more really good meme

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But I cant find it

fervent zenith
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||M I N D H A C K I N G||?

hasty kernel
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Nah another ||snail|| meme

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Did you know ||the snail has a name now?||

fervent zenith
hasty kernel
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Thats also a good one

fervent zenith
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Or this one?

hasty kernel
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It was a meme using the ||shencomix bike template||

fervent zenith
hasty kernel
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Thats a good one

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But yeah the ||snail is called Asnil||

fervent zenith
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Oh, I get is if you arrange ||Asnil|| you get ||Slain||

hasty kernel
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Well its also just ||an anagram for snail||

fervent zenith
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||I know brah, I'm obviously jesting||

hasty kernel
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Apparently it also ||means nothing||

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As in the word

fervent zenith
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Also ||Nails||

blissful charm
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a moment of silence for the caramalized onions i made a mess of

hexed hollow
fervent zenith
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Don't worry bro

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They are in Erebus now

hasty kernel
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Finished the FF7 Remake

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Well that ending explained nothing

serene tulip
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someone name a decent sci-fi movie

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that's not interstellar

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or edge of tomorrow

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or a superhero movie

odd grove
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Hmmm

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I don't know movies

serene tulip
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or was produced before 2000

odd grove
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Other media, sure

serene tulip
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1995

velvet fjord
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tron legacy

serene tulip
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it has been a while since I've seen that one

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but the only thing I remember about it is Derezzed and that JEFF BRIDGES form the tobuscus trailers spoof

wide ember
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the "produced before 2000" part really got me

serene tulip
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well

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I meant not produced before 1995

odd grove
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Wait i know

serene tulip
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I was going on "that's not _____"

odd grove
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Cowboys vs Aliens

serene tulip
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don't make me watch that T.T

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is it actually any good?

wide ember
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I'd watch it if only for the title

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the cowboys better be gay though

odd grove
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Sorry pal

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Mandatory southern blonde chick 😔

wide ember
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what? not even native hawaiian cowboy, or chinese-american cowboy twink?

odd grove
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Anyways the movie is bad

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It's like, i kid you not

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independence day meets every spaghetti western movie ever meets ben 10

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It also feels like John Carter at some points

velvet fjord
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I'm trying to think of pre 2000 sci fi movies and the only thing I can think of is Color Out of Space, and that isn't really sci fi

odd grove
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@serene tulip Anyways, no idea for movies but you should read The Eternaut

wide ember
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The Godzilla movies at and after 2017 then?

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because I did enjoy Godzilla: Planet of Monsters and its sequels

velvet fjord
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I need to watch blade runner 2049

I love the original and have had 2049 for ages but never seen it

serene tulip
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I meant post 2000

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also 2049 is great

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should definitely watch

wide ember
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I watched blade runner 2049, it's unfortunately not as good as the original, but by itself it's decent

serene tulip
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its slow but beautfiful

wide ember
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don't forget painful

faint panther
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I liked Cowboys Vs. Aliens.

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Not a good movie, but quite entertaining.

wide ember
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the implication that the ||most important child is hiding in plain sight beneath the disgustingly evil megacorp leader is both optimistic and not||

faint panther
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I've heard Shin Godzilla is good and absolutely terrifying.

wide ember
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and that ||the AI girlfriend was probably not sentient and was just saying what he wanted to hear||

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||and that "Joe" was implied to be a pre-programmed name to give to her owner as part of the "real human" fantasy||

odd grove
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I just wanna see new stuff

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Most things are reboots or spinoffs nowadays

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Games, shows, movies, all the sam

faint panther
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Ex Machina.

odd grove
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I want some new IPs damit

wide ember
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Mother was an interesting sci fi

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||considering that getting the human child to kill her was part of her plan||

autumn pasture
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hot take: jupiter ascending could have been good if they took out the unnecessary heterosexual love plot

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the worldbuilding and aesthetic was really cool

wide ember
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||Freudian violence was not supposed to be a behaviour integral to human being||

odd grove
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Idk jupiter ascending

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Why was the romance unnecessary?

hasty kernel
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I strongly disliked Blade Runner 2049 tbh

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Its pacing was so incredibly slow

odd grove
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Also tbh i really wanna write

wide ember
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I agree with how Jupiter Ascending could've been great if it was only about lost princess found and made queen by werewolf bodyguard and bees

hasty kernel
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That I was just hoping that the movie would end by the last third

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And it just kept not ending

odd grove
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EVERY teacher i had told me i am great at writing, but i have never made stories myself

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At least complete ones

wide ember
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it's more like, the romance wasn't very... like it felt more mandatory formula behaviour than actually important

autumn pasture
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i'm not straight and i'm bored of every-- yeah

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every movie Has to have a str8 romance and i'm sick of it

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it didn't do anything new or special for the movie, it was just There

hasty kernel
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Im annoyed that we have romance in stories that dont need it alltogether

autumn pasture
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give me a good romance Or give me a movie without romance, don't tack it on

hasty kernel
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Yeah

odd grove
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Usually romance needs a credible chemistry

wide ember
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Pacific Rim had the guy and the girl have chemistry together but it was chemistry for piloting mecha together

odd grove
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But many times media prioritizes "two popular characters get together"

wide ember
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they didn't kiss at the end, they headbutted, it was so cute

odd grove
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That is not good storytelling

faint panther
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Pacific Rim was good, yeah.

odd grove
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Guillermo DelToro is good, yeah

autumn pasture
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yeah that was a good one

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pan's labyrinth is fantasy, but one of my favorites

faint panther
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Pan's Labyrinth is dark.

autumn pasture
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watched it in a spanish class and scared my pants off

faint panther
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Holy cow.

autumn pasture
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tbf it was ap spanish so most of the class was eighteen

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so they figured we could handle r-rated movies

odd grove
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Why spanish class?

wide ember
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it was originally in spanish

autumn pasture
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we were watching it in spanish, and it Is about the spanish civil war

odd grove
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Does it mean i, as a native spanish speaker, would NOT be scared by it?

wide ember
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the name was initially the labyrinth of the faun

autumn pasture
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yeah iirc the spanish is the original

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no, you'd be scared by it

wide ember
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Pan was used to make it more acceptable

autumn pasture
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laberinto del fauno

odd grove
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I know about the movie like i know it's faun and not pan

autumn pasture
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ah okay sorry

odd grove
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But anyways, YEAH romance is handled awkwardly nowadays

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Every show, cartoon, movie, game

faint panther
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Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, can we rip Rise of Skywalker apart?

odd grove
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There's always that one romance

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Everyone did already

faint panther
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Aw, maaan.

odd grove
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And honestly i stopped watching the sequels after VII

faint panther
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I didn't pay for my IX ticket. 👍

odd grove
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Rey is just awful

hasty kernel
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Id say a good example of (though admitively only implied not outright stated) romance is Infinity Train book 2

faint panther
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Didn't pay for VIII either, but I would have paid for that.

autumn pasture
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i like rey more than mr sad man

odd grove
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Who dat again

hasty kernel
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Because it actually has plot relevance

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And works

odd grove
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Oh YES Infinity Train book 2

wide ember
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Rey was okay in the first movie she appeared in

autumn pasture
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i don't Mind romance, but i'm mostly crabby at every show having one and it always being heterosexual

odd grove
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Every single human being ever needs to watch it

autumn pasture
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if you're going to give me a cheesy romance at least make it gay

hasty kernel
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It was very good, yes

faint panther
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Daisy Ridley is awesome and Rey as Luke 2.0 started out great before the plot was lariat in one direction and then double lariat in the other.

autumn pasture
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yeah, no shade to daisy ridley at all

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or john boyega, who was robbed for sure

wide ember
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I like romance if it's well-written, which 95% of current fictions are not

autumn pasture
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^

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exactly

odd grove
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I mean, it's better than having the only LGBT character in a piece of media being a non-human (in a story mostly played out by humans)

wide ember
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I'm equally disgusted if the so-called LGBT romance isn't well-written either

odd grove
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Also yeah, Boyega single handely made Finn likable

autumn pasture
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i..........should agree but admit that i'm biased and just like a gay romance

fervent zenith
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God I watched it when I was 5 y/o

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Got nighmares during a week

autumn pasture
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cheesy tropes? they're good if i get to relate to them, actually

fervent zenith
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The Pan's Labyrinth

odd grove
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Also yeah, a big point of romance is that it works the same regardless of what kind of people are on each end

autumn pasture
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oh my GOD THat'd scare you, joyful

hasty kernel
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Personally Im not big on romance in general

wide ember
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children are immune to a lot of horror stuff

hasty kernel
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I prefer platonic character relationships

odd grove
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A good story doesn't really draw anything from the character's sex or sexuality, unless it's a specific plot point

faint panther
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They're also extra susceptible to other horror stuff.

odd grove
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Like, Alien

autumn pasture
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true, but counter: i like to be able to relate to the protagonists and put myself in their shoes, so i'm willing to forgive a little corniness if it's gay, and i don't think that's wrong

wide ember
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platonic or romantic, give me well-written relationships

odd grove
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Did ya know every character in Alien was written without a gender?

autumn pasture
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i do think gay people should be allowed cheesy stories the same as straight people get everywhere

hasty kernel
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Thats fair

odd grove
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They just casted people and picked the ones who fit the roles the best

faint panther
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Yep, that's why Ripley is known as Ripley and not Ellen.

hasty kernel
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If were gonna get unneccessary romantic kitsch

wide ember
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like, the father-daughter dynamic in AI:Somnium Files between Mizuki and Date is so cute, made me want to adopt

hasty kernel
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Might as well make it equal

fervent zenith
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they explicitely wanted the first Alien victim to be a man

hasty kernel
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Yeah thats a good one

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Mizuki and Dates relationship works really well

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Especially in her route

fervent zenith
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Also It heps Date is training Saitama

odd grove
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But alas, even if you don't agree with a relationship or other writing decisions, it's still just a piece in the big picture

autumn pasture
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mhm

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okay, here's a request: does anyone know any video games where the main character is a gay or bi man? or i guess rpgs where you can make yourself a gay or bi man, but i'd almost prefer a game with a predefined character

odd grove
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A story is an everything, and bigger plots with bigger worlds usually focus in context and logic rather than every character interacting with everyone

autumn pasture
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i feel like i haven't seen too many

fervent zenith
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I'm gonna reccomend y'all Haven when it comes out GWvictoriaMeguFace

odd grove
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Stories that do try that usually are garbo

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@autumn pasture Persona 2

autumn pasture
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haven does look good, tho not specifically my request i do have my eye on it

fervent zenith
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TLOU 2 @autumn pasture

faint panther
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TLOU 2?

fervent zenith
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Ellie being comfortable with her sexuality is part of the arc

odd grove
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Tatsuya, MC from Persona 2 is canonically bisexual and the canon romantic path is the one with Jun, his childhood friend

fervent zenith
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The last of us 2

wide ember
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relationship is vital in a story though, and in some stories the setting itself is akin to a character, and the relationship between that and the main character is vital

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like, Magnetic Rose

faint panther
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That's a gay woman, and I don't think 2 is out yet?

fervent zenith
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Her xpac then

hasty kernel
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I had no idea of that fact about Persona 2

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Makes me wonder even more why we couldnt date Ryuji

odd grove
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Well

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They cut dating Yosuke from P4

velvet fjord
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my name is @velvet fjord and I am declaring war on all relationships in media

no more love
no more romantic tension

everyone is friend, enemies, or in-betweens

wide ember
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oh, before Persona 2 published, the executives told them to remove most of the gay elements

hasty kernel
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Yosuke is a prick

fervent zenith
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Gibraltar from Apex Legends is gay

hasty kernel
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I wouldnt want to date him even if I could

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But Ryuji is sweet

odd grove
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Tatsuya literally loved Jun back into existance

autumn pasture
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i do know about gibraltar!! lmao picked up apex specifically for him and bloodhound

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bloodhound is so good. gender

wide ember
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Vellum, the main character took the whole series to finally find an instance of his boyfriend who survived

fervent zenith
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My fav to play is the HackerMan

odd grove
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I play bloodhound because i'm bad at games and can't play anyone else

autumn pasture
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i haven't played in a hot minute, is it still good?

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mood

hasty kernel
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I play Caustic

fervent zenith
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Kung Jin from Mortal Kombat

hasty kernel
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Because I cant aim

odd grove
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Lmao no

hasty kernel
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So I need to make sure my enemies cant aim either

odd grove
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Caustic is cheese

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He can block doors with his water balloons

hasty kernel
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Thats a nice benefit

odd grove
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Play caustic and do that pls

hasty kernel
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But not the main reason I play him

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I do do that

odd grove
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Try it

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Oh k

hasty kernel
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I think in the Fallout games you can make your character gay?

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I vaguely recall it being an option in 2 at least

odd grove
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But, fallout is a blank slate MC kinda game?

wide ember
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and there was a lesbian NPC couple in the intro of one of them (not sure if they survived though)

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in fallout

fervent zenith
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Sean from LiS 2 is bi

autumn pasture
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i consider being gay in an rpg pretty much like............the bare standard for if i want to play it, hah

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ooh 👀

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lis continuing the gay i see

hasty kernel
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Wasnt one of the Borderlands characters bi?

wide ember
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remember the "growing up" achievement scandal from assassin's creed odyssey...

odd grove
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LiS sucks honestly

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Like they want us to feel bad for the girl who kills a man and his dog for no reason?

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AFTER saying "guns suck lmao"

fervent zenith
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Leon from Fire Emblem Valentia

autumn pasture
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i think my favorite is a case like hades, actually, where the character isn't a blank slate, is predefined, and is lgbt. that's the good stuff

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lmao fe...........STILL mad fe3h didn't let me s rank claude

fervent zenith
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Sir Hammerlock a his husband, both in their late fifties

hasty kernel
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Mmh

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Yeah but theyre not playable, right?

fervent zenith
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Oh playable

odd grove
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Gotta love Hammerlock tho

hasty kernel
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Or rather

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Main character

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Which I think implies playable?

autumn pasture
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claude flirts with you!! let me s rank him!!

wide ember
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at least we have Linhardt, the true bi choice who doesn't die in his ending

odd grove
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He hasn't replaced his glasses in all these years, why?

autumn pasture
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i intended playable, yeah

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i do love linhardt but stephen has Two Hands

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i can like both

faint panther
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Does FE acknowledge your second hand, though?

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Like Hades does?

autumn pasture
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lmao

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fair enough, and no

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i like claude.........perhaps more than linhardt

velvet fjord
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I'm not gay but I can rant for hours about how female byleth/black eagles got preferential treatment for the gay options

odd grove
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Claude is just solid

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But he won't last long with all that blood going into his head

fervent zenith
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There are gamers that always want a blank state as MC other that dont and other that dont care

autumn pasture
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i prefer different ones in different games, but i do think non-blank is good rep

odd grove
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AH yes i am extremely sad about more lesbian choices than gay ones in games

hasty kernel
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There are various fighting games and the like that have gay characters

autumn pasture
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it's because straight men can fetishize wlw but find mlm disgusting 🙃

wide ember
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I like when I believe it's blank at first then oops I'm a demon possessing them

hasty kernel
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But I struggle to think of any linear narrative games with a gay/bi male MC

odd grove
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wlw? mlm?

fervent zenith
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I mean yeah some played for pure fetish fuel for straight people

autumn pasture
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women loving women, men loving men

odd grove
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Ah ok

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Anyways i think it's somewhat ok from that point of view

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Or maybe it's just what the writers like, who knows

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But imo you either make very little choices, or make enough choices to cater different tastes

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Or don't give a choice at all

wide ember
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ok but like, obviously my fetishes come first

fervent zenith
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I personally like in multiple choices when the MC is like you want him to be but the romance options dont

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Like it's not a doll house making game but the romance options have the agency to reject you

autumn pasture
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yes that's the good stuff

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love options...........should actually care............how you treat them.........

wide ember
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I want that too

fervent zenith
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Like in Greedfall where two are bi and two straight

odd grove
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"Please i have maxed our friendship, let me date you"
"That's cute but please let me take a bath in peace"

hasty kernel
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Well

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Usually romance options are kind of on a rail

wide ember
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and not like, you gift them and then throw garbage in their house and then gift them again, and they still accept to date you

odd grove
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Persona 5 does rails too much

hasty kernel
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So the "max out friendship" just happens to also put the groundwork for romance

odd grove
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I just dislike Persona 5's social link system

hasty kernel
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Yeah Persona 5 is an example of that

odd grove
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It's like diet visual novel

hasty kernel
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Really?

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I liked it tbh

faint panther
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Yeah, once you figure out the "correct" responses to a given game's romance plotline you can do just about anything you want and still get them.

hasty kernel
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You dont have much choice, but thats fine, the MC is not a blank slate

autumn pasture
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i'm just selfish tbh. you know how many games have a straight man protagonist? i want a protagonist who's a gay man with only male/nonbinary love interests and you just have to deal with that.

fervent zenith
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My point is that not everybody is a pansexual thirsty for your body that just needs a few gifts to just fawn all over you because you made them 3 favours

autumn pasture
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right

fervent zenith
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But they have TASTES

hasty kernel
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That is true

autumn pasture
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i think love island does that

odd grove
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Sojiro be like: "Haha Akira, you cheated on my daughter"

autumn pasture
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each npc has a "type"

hasty kernel
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When the path to romance isnt a set of pre-determined scenes

odd grove
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That kind of stuff

hasty kernel
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Ah, that

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Yeah that is the one case that is weird

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But I guess they see it as "tradition" or something

odd grove
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I like how they punish you for trying to harem the game tho lol

hasty kernel
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Realistically the outcome of that scenario was Sojiro pulling out a shotgun

odd grove
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Orrr kicking you out altogether

hasty kernel
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Nah

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Thats too merciful

fervent zenith
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It actually surprised me that Jack in Mass Effect was straight as it looked they wanted to do the Butch stereotype

autumn pasture
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yeah >:/

odd grove
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Umm

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Being a butch doesn't make you gay>

autumn pasture
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and a lot of her plotline is locked behind a straight romance

fervent zenith
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It was a good surprise

odd grove
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That's a really bad stereotype

hasty kernel
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Anyway yeah, there is a general lack of gay protagonists in all kinds of media

autumn pasture
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^

fervent zenith
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Because it looked they were being stererotypical

odd grove
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Like, it's just wrong to assume someone is this or that from what they wear

autumn pasture
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i mean. i don't think there's anything Wrong with having a butch lesbian, though

hasty kernel
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Gay side-characters are starting to be more and more common, even in japanese games

autumn pasture
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like yes, it's wrong to assume, but a lot of lesbians look like that on Purpose

fervent zenith
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I knoooow

hasty kernel
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But main characters, not yet

odd grove
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Yeah but saying "she's a butch thus she's a lesbian"??

wide ember
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name me one game with non-blank state camp gay asian character or elegant gay black character though

odd grove
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Ah idk it's just not my kinda thing

fervent zenith
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No, more like 'Ugh, they are doing the butch stereotype thing'

odd grove
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Reminds me of XXX reboot

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God i hate that movie

autumn pasture
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sol, we've got to make those games, for real

odd grove
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It had the Lesbian Sniper. That's her entire character

autumn pasture
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didn't jack literally date a woman too?

odd grove
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Her first line was a "that's what she said" joke

autumn pasture
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i'm p sure she did

faint panther
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It's like, maybe one throwaway line?

fervent zenith
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My Ex-Boyfriend the Space Tyrant

wide ember
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I'm doing my best making my game but I have only two hands to draw and type

fervent zenith
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Has a gay established MC

autumn pasture
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👀

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...........with a name like that,

fervent zenith
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Oh, bloot

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I REMEMBER

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A GAY BLACK MAIN CHARACTER

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Dreamfall Chapters

wide ember
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oh, I have Dreamfall on wishlist but haven't played yet

fervent zenith
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He is gay

wide ember
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I didn't know he was gay

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ok, time to put this game on the priority list

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thank you for this information

fervent zenith
autumn pasture
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that gay camp point and click too 👀

fervent zenith
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@wide ember I think is kinda spoilerish so sorry about that

odd grove
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Eh

fervent zenith
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You dont discover he is gay until dreamfall chapters tho

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In dreamfall the longest journey his sexuality goes unadressed

wide ember
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I wouldn't have bought We Know the Devil if I didn't know there was a transgender character so

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it's important spoiler

fervent zenith
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Although there he is not THE main character but Zoe is. In DC he actually is 50/50 the MC

wide ember
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deutagonist?

fervent zenith
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More liek 25% of the game follows his plot 25% April 50% Zoe

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Each with its own plot more or less separated of each other

wide ember
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what is the term for the 25%-nist again

fervent zenith
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Triatagonist

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April is the Deuteretagonist

wide ember
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thanks, still good enough

fervent zenith
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This is in That game

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In the second he jumps to co protagonist

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Although still has the central importance as Dreamfall is untimately about her

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He just shares the spotlight as much

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Thats because the game are two sagas in one

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The Longest Journey and Dreamfall

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April is the protagonist of the former and Zoe of the latter

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I actually love Zoe as a character

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She is exactly the antithesis of a hero

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In the sense she is not that brave and would prefer to be on home watching TV that saving the world

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But EVERYONE forces her to be one

faint panther
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There's a Mega Man X4 noise in Final Fantasy 7 Remake and it maaaaaaaaay have led me to an inebriated purchase of the X Legacy Collection.

autumn pasture
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hahah

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i think more games should do like hades does and let you romance more than one character, tbh

faint panther
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I've never actually beat 1-3 or 7 and 8, so this will be interesting.

autumn pasture
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schpoon, i hope you like that purchase sober again

faint panther
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Oh, I will, I adore X4 and X5.

odd grove
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I miss talking to demons in SMT games

faint panther
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I used to own the PS2 Legacy Collection (1-6), but me and my best friend growing up just kept blasting 4-6 (because I'm a dork for Zero).

odd grove
#

There are always so many fun lines

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But SMT V won't come out anytime soon

fervent zenith
#

God always that VG appear I wind out the wall of texts

wide ember
#

where are games with wedding photos though

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heck, do my own parents have wedding photos

odd grove
#

No

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In fact, you don't have parents

#

This is a simulation

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You have been deemed unsuitable to keep partaking

#

Extraction in 3... 2... 1...

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Goodbye

fervent zenith
#

FFXV has Weddings, photos but not wedding photos

wide ember
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||yeah the photo at the end is the one you picked, not the wedding photo or group photo||

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||which means you can choose a photo of your friend clipping through the car's hood or something||

#

millennials and gen z just don't have that big money to throw a wedding anymore 😔

fervent zenith
#

or a photo of the ||mechanic's cleavage||

#

You could also choose a photo of the Dress and she would shed a tear.

wide ember
#

oh, didn't know some photos could have special effects

hasty kernel
#

||Or a picture of Ignis cooking||

fervent zenith
#

Only if you choose a photo ||of the city of the wedding||

hasty kernel
#

||Which is rather redundant because he is already a snack||

fervent zenith
#

You know what also becomes redundant?

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||His glasses||

wide ember
#

too soon

odd grove
#

Huh, we're having Tekken talk it seems

fervent zenith
#

Something hilarious about FFXV development

#

Final Fantasy XV's main cast were designed ten years of Development Hell before the game came out, and as a fashion brand collaboration, too - meaning the outfits could not be altered heavily.

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Ok o what happened when It released

wide ember
#

so what was the Strong Male Character thing though

fervent zenith
#

This meant that when the game came eventually out in 2016, the main cast was all still dressed for the fashion trends of 2006

wide ember
#

there was a very naked male character that appeared briefly during some days and then the internet was seemly purged of that final fantasy character

hushed zenith
#

Oh, Mobius Final Fantasy.

fervent zenith
#

while Artdyn was designed much later, His outfit is clearly meant to come across as bizarre, bohemian and anachronistic.

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but incorporates mid-10s elements. The result of this is that Ardyn ends up being more fashionable than the supposedly hip protagonists, who are a decade behind him

hushed zenith
#

That was actually a really solid mobile game, and really F2P friendly, but its service period is coming to an end and it'll be pulled entirely next month. so RIP

wide ember
#

I see, I'll try downloading Mobius overnight then

#

so who were the fashion sponsors for FFXV?

fervent zenith
#

Japanese Brands I suppose

#

Also Lunafreya Wedding dress was designed By Vivienne Westwood herself

wide ember
fervent zenith
#

Which you may know for making punk mainstream or for being a Jojo character namesake

wide ember
#

Prada, Louis Vuitton

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ok my bad the link I posted was across the series, not just FFXV (that's the second half)

fervent zenith
#

Roen

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By the way what is hilarious is that Vivienne Westwood is adressed by name as the designer IN-GAME

#

Also this

wide ember
#

this game is surreal

#

and who paid whom? square-enix ot vivienne westwood or the other way around?

fervent zenith
#

SE

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For Westwood SE for the rest the brands

wide ember
#

ow, must be expensive

#

I can feel empathetic wallet pain

fervent zenith
#

oh

wide ember
#

I thought I saw you mention that the noodle sidequest had the VA's bad takes

raven harbor
#

Well now I need to know what sound effect from X4 is in FF7R

fervent zenith
#

@wide ember Bot said I was spamming

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And deleted my comments

#

:/

wide ember
#

...bad bot

hasty kernel
#

To be fair

#

Ignis is pretty fashionable

fervent zenith
#

Well, he is a Royal Butler

#

He is the one who takes more effort in being fashionable

wide ember
#

purple leopard shirt...

fervent zenith
#

Ffxv showed us that Bromance>Romance

wide ember
#

leopard shirt is so out of season these days though

hasty kernel
#

Though its funny that the original mafia plot is still reflected in their outfits

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And designs

fervent zenith
#

Ardyn is actually meant to look like a Shakespearean actor

hasty kernel
#

Ignis has a pretty stereotypical Yakuza getup

fervent zenith
#

With a white concertina-pleated shirt, bell sleeves, and floral motifs

wide ember
#

yakuza... suddenly the leopard pattern makes sense

hasty kernel
#

I admit its only a guess

#

But originally the FFXV guys were part of a mafia

fervent zenith
#

Also his laser cut shaving wasn't really that possible in 2006

wide ember
#

they have magic though

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magic cut shaving

fervent zenith
#

Yeah my point is that he looked anachronistic

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Compared to US

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But now he looks more stylish that the kinda tryhard MCs

wide ember
#

in canada, we are more of the elegant-cosy-simple taste?

fervent zenith
#

My favourite part of ffxv is when you go to the lighthouse with Iris

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And you take detours by the way

#

It really felt like they were enjoying the travel for the travel sake

#

I also liked the day/night cycle giving the game genuine urgency

#

||Specially when nights become longer and longer||

wide ember
#

||what happens now that the royalty is dead?||

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||since the entire cast died||

faint panther
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||they can abolish the monarchy as all dynasties should be||

fervent zenith
#

||Noctis did that for you||

#

Also ||The other Bros and the survivors still live||

wide ember
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||I didn't understand why all the weapon ghosts/ex-kings attacked him when he sat on the throne||

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||only the part where he let them kill him so he could do the purification||

fervent zenith
#

||It's him committing suicide so he can kill ardyn in the afterlife basically||

wide ember
#

||you'd think sentient weapons would be against this, since he is the last heir||

fervent zenith
#

||ALL they did culmined to that moment||

wide ember
#

||and couldn't any of those ghost do the ardyn purification?||

fervent zenith
#

||Where ardyn would be the keystone ton end the demons once for all||

wide ember
#

it was such a huge gambit, weren't there any other person who could've done this?

#

at least the remaining world would be safer, unless you provoke a baby bird

fervent zenith
#

Because Bahamut is an arse

#

Really that's the explanation

wide ember
#

I accept this explanation

faint panther
#

I'm pretty incandescently salty over the fact that every single gamepad has built my brain to input movement on my left hand and actions on my right and every friggin' PC platformer (whether it's IWBTG, Hollow Knight, or Mega Man) wants me to control movement with my right hand on the arrow keys and actions on my left hand.

#

And I friggin' set MMXLC to Fullscreen, why in god's name is it windowed!?

fervent zenith
#

Just rebel against the system and use the track pad instead

faint panther
#

I'm on a desktop.

wide ember
#

plug a dance dance revolution mat to your desktop and use that for movement

faint panther
#

Nope, this is an absolute trainwreck and I refuse to entertain Capcom.

#

I'll give XLC2 a chance, but if I can't rebind movement to WASD it's going in the trash along with 1.

fervent zenith
#

Use the donkey Kong bongo drums

faint panther
#

How terrifically unhelpful.

fervent zenith
#

Doing my best GWvictoriaMeguFace

faint panther
#

Nope, X Collection is trash on PC from top to bottom.

#

What a shame.

odd grove
#

How trash @faint panther

faint panther
#

I did not even enter any games, I am inebriated and all kinds of cantankerous, give it 119 minutes of gameplay on Steam before you write it off.

#

It wouldn't let me change keyboard controls from the main menu so I didn't even give it a chance.

#

If it can change controls from each individual game I'd play them.

tender cobalt
#

Does it support controller?

faint panther
#

It does.

tender cobalt
#

Why not try that?

faint panther
#

I've put hundreds if not thousands of hours into the X series on controller.

#

I want to try it on keyboard.

tender cobalt
#

Seems you will have to get used to inverted inputs then 😅

faint panther
#

Nope! I've got plenty of other games to play before I have to learn that.

#

(thanks for checking in)

blissful charm
#

i'm writing a thing wherein the main character plays poker and im dying poker is so complicated

sudden torrent
raven harbor
#

Huh, dug into MMXLC because I could have sworn you could rebind controls, and turns out you sort of can, but not to the extent where you can swap the arrow keys in. So can confirm to avoid that purchase if that would affect you, and not a great look on Capcom's end.

#

I had a similar issue with the Zero/ZX Collection, where you can't actually adjust the volume in the application.

uneven scaffold
#

hey guys

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i have a question

#

so, i wanted to try another action-roguelike, any recommendations?

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maybe dead cells? i am not sure

raven harbor
#

Dead Cells is real good

uneven scaffold
#

is it fun?

#

got a lot to do in it?

raven harbor
#

From what I remember, it's also gotten a lot more fleshed out since the last time I played it

uneven scaffold
#

ah, cool

#

i may as well give it a go

raven harbor
#

Crypt of the Necrodancer is also action-packed, if you like rhythm

uneven scaffold
#

no, i am bad at rhythm

#

my mom said i can buy one game as long as it's under 30 dollars USD

#

so i was thinking of dead cells

raven harbor
#

Wizard of Legend and One Step from Eden are also strong options

#

Are you on Steam or a console?

uneven scaffold
#

steam

raven harbor
#

Yeah both of those are good if you're looking for something top-down

uneven scaffold
#

what is one step from eden?

raven harbor
#

Mega Man: Battle Network, but a roguelike

uneven scaffold
#

i am looking at a trailer for it, but not understanding what's going on in it

raven harbor
#

Basically you and enemies are on a 4x3 grid, you pick up new spells and abilities, and you have to weave and dodge and use your spells effectively

#

Part action, part deckbuilder, with a bunch of characters

uneven scaffold
#

hmm, sounds interesting

indigo walrus
#

I could recommend Dead Cells, I've easily put 100 hours into, would be more if it wasn't for Hades, which I'm hyped about 😉 DC is a very good game, good humour, great fighting mechanics, you will have a lot of fun with it

uneven scaffold
#

i bought it and am playing it right now

#

made it to a place called the ramparts

#

so far

indigo walrus
#

that's great!

toxic steppe
#

I'm in the final two chapters of FFVIIR ;w;

uneven scaffold
#

i made it to the black bridge

#

and almost beat the first major boss

#

died though

indigo walrus
#

and it was your first try?

#

you're are better than me when I first tried... you will beat him in no time 😉

uneven scaffold
#

yup

#

he got down to 20% or so

#

he started jumping and slamming like crazy

toxic steppe
#

He tends to do so.

#

He doesn't have too complex of an attack pattern though so you should get him soon.

#

I haven't played DC in a minute, but my roomie has been playing the hell outta it lately.

#

Hades ruined other rougelites for me.

hasty kernel
#

Oh hey, I overtook Cale in playing the FF7R

#

Youre about to get to the controversial parts

toxic steppe
#

Now, if I haven't played the OG is it really going to be all that controversial to me?

hasty kernel
#

Hmm

#

Depends on your exact perspective

#

Less in some ways

#

More in others

toxic steppe
#

I'll definitely let you know when I finish it.

#

Because I am deeply invested lol

hasty kernel
#

👍

toxic steppe
#

I'm* sad I'm close to being done.

hasty kernel
#

Personally I have a number of gripes

toxic steppe
#

Now I have to wait who knows how long for the next part(s).

hasty kernel
#

Mostly because some things dont make sense and others arent really explained

#

And I dont like some of the implications

#

But

#

I cant go into details because you know

#

Spoilers

toxic steppe
#

I did just find out the ||nature of those dementor things|| finally.

hasty kernel
#

Ah

toxic steppe
#

I thought that was pretty interesting. I think it'd be more significant to me if I could compare when they were showing up to the original moments, though.

hasty kernel
#

||Yeah thats one of the ways in which it would be less controversial to you||

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||I wanna say more, but Im not 100% anymore how much still gets and doesnt get explained||

toxic steppe
#

||There's this line Aerith says not too long after you run back into her at the church about "changing fate" and so I thought that maybe, these mad lads might actually NOT kill her this time around, but if those hooded figures show up so you CAN'T alter fate, then that's probably out. :(||

#

Y'know, unless.

hasty kernel
#

Oh yeah a word of warning

#

There will be boss fights that suck

toxic steppe
#

Like in this last little bit?

#

Are they as annoying as Hell House?

#

The other night I got so angry at the Pull Up minigame hahaha.

hasty kernel
#

Oh that minigame was weird

#

Also, depends

toxic steppe
#

I kept either tying with Jules or he'd beat me by ONE pull up.

hasty kernel
#

My issue is that its a long boss fight

#

And if you die

toxic steppe
#

You start at the beginning phase?

hasty kernel
#

You get knocked back all the way to the beginning

toxic steppe
#

Oof.

hasty kernel
#

Oh and it has a stage that uses a lot of undodgable and unblockable attacks

toxic steppe
#

What level were you around then

hasty kernel
#

So you will probably die a couple times

#

36 or more, I dont remember

#

I eventually beat it

toxic steppe
#

Well I have Lifesaver on Barret and he's a tank rn so he'll likely help during those moves.

hasty kernel
#

My recommendation is, make sure your pray materia is leveled up enough

toxic steppe
#

I just pop that on him immediately during any encounter and it's so clutch.

#

Plus I have Pray and Magnify x Healing on him.

#

And the Materia that extends beneficial effects.

#

So I can toss on a super long team wide regen

uneven scaffold
#

@indigo walrus beat the first major boss on second try, third run

indigo walrus
#

nice! I wonder how's the second boss gonna be for you

fervent zenith
#

They confirmed that in FFVII-2 ||Vincent and Yuffie WON'T be optional||

#

You think that's good or bad?

toxic steppe
#

Even as a spoiler I have no idea what that means lol

#

Are they optional party members in the original?

#

My roomie was telling me about Mr. Valentine last night

fervent zenith
#

Yes

toxic steppe
#

Said he was the edgelord character

#

Had his own game that's a FPS apparently

blissful charm
#

yeah dirge of cerberus

uneven scaffold
#

@indigo walrus i am amazing

#

i killed the clock tower boss first try

fervent zenith
#

You know where you recruit Valentine?

#

IN A COFFIN!

uneven scaffold
#

i parried so well on his charge move

fervent zenith
#

Edgelord af

#

Both were pretty obtuse to get also

toxic steppe
#

I know Yuffie because of KH

#

Dang

desert minnow
#

doesn't that essentially translate to "FF VII is one of our most popular games and we're gonna milk it for all it's worth"

toxic steppe
#

I'm not complaining.

#

I love JRPG's and missed it the first time around, so.

#

They can inject as much FFVIIR into my veins as they want

hasty kernel
#

I think Im indifferent about it?

#

Maybe Vincent gets more to do in the narrative

#

And Yuffie shouldnt have been optional in the first place

toxic steppe
#

Vincent is involved with the Turks and Prof. Hojo isn't he?

#

I'm sure he'll probably be plot important.

hasty kernel
#

Yes, but not really in the original plotline

toxic steppe
#

That reminds me.

#

I really have no concept of understanding of where the story is going at all yet lol

#

I'm going to finish the game so I can better discuss it.

hasty kernel
#

Mmh

toxic steppe
#

I keep forgetting that this part only accounts for like 10% of the original plot because I've been playing for almost 40h and it feels like I've accomplished more in the grand scheme of things.

hasty kernel
#

They expanded it a lot

toxic steppe
#

But in-game it's been like, what? A few days?

hasty kernel
#

Though I would argue they also added a lot of padding

#

I mean thats JRPGs in a nutshell, isnt it?

#

Most of the time the events play out over the course of a few days

#

Or if not, then you have a lot of timeskips

toxic steppe
#

I love me some timeskips.

#

I don't think the time thing is a bad thing I just have gotten so wrapped up in it that I forgot there's a much larger picture still.

#

Like I just got done ||saving Aerith from the Shinra HQ, and she mentioned there's a bigger baddie and I didn't CONSIDER there being another primary antagonist outside of Shinra||

hasty kernel
#

Well

#

Normally that would hit harder, but ||the game kinda gave that away as early as chapter 2||

toxic steppe
#

Plus I'm wondering wtf is up with that ||Jenova thing and why Sephy/Cloud called it Mother||.

#

They mentioned something about a ||calamity from the skies? Was she inside the meteor that wiped out the Ancients?||

hasty kernel
#

Incidentally these are ||things that the original answers||

toxic steppe
#

The thing is I have zero patience for turn-based.

hasty kernel
#

Fair

#

Im just surprised you managed to be able to avoid all plot details

#

Its quite hard in the day and age of pop culture osmosis

toxic steppe
#

The only one I know is ||Aerith dying||.

#

Because it's like the biggest event in terms of pop culture.

#

I never played any FF games until XV came around.

#

And my only association with Sephiroph and Cloud came from the Kingdom Hearts games.

#

So I thought Cloud was just some edgy pretty boy and Sephiroph was just a hard boss with a ridiculously large sword.

hasty kernel
#

Admitively not entirely inaccurate

toxic steppe
#

It turns out that Cloud is an edgy pretty boy but there's at least nuance to it.

hasty kernel
#

He is also not that edgy

toxic steppe
#

Yeah he's less edgy and more just cold/distant.

hasty kernel
#

He is more of an adorable dork

#

He is adorkable

toxic steppe
#

I really do like him, I wasn't sure if I would since when I attempted to play FFX I almost immediately noped out because I hated the MC and the voice acting was...

#

Grinding.

hasty kernel
#

Mmh

toxic steppe
#

Tidus sucks.

hasty kernel
#

Im surprised at how much I liked Aerith this time around

toxic steppe
#

I'm MAD at how much I like Aerith, that's why I hope ||they subvert expectations and don't kill her off this time||.

hasty kernel
#

Mmh

toxic steppe
#

I also really like Jessie. ||So Chapter 12 destroyed me a little.||

hasty kernel
#

||Yeah in the original she barely gets characterisation, she just dies||

toxic steppe
#

I saw a cute vid around release of the VA for Aerith playing and hearing her voice work for the first time and just bursting into tears.

#

Did ||Biggs die in the OG too||?

hasty kernel
#

||All 3 of them do||

toxic steppe
#

Ooooh dang.

#

So ||they save Wedge this time??|| That's wack.

#

I'm most excited to see the differences in plot once I finish.

hasty kernel
#

||Yeah, the whole underground lab sequence isnt in the original||

toxic steppe
#

Interesting.

#

Where on the timeline does Advent Children take place?

hasty kernel
#

After the original FF7

toxic steppe
#

Ahh so after the entirety of its events?

#

Dang.

hasty kernel
#

Yup

#

I think its non-canon now though

fervent zenith
#

||In the original timeline still is||

#

Hilariously what saves in the Plate Section ||Wedge from that fall was that in the original iirc they didn't have the grappling hooks||

hasty kernel
#

||Well, thats assuming the original timeline matters to the remake exactly||

#

||And yeah thats an example of the whispers failing to "maintain the timeline"||

#

Hence why I think ||that whole part is bollocks||

toxic steppe
#

||They only care to maintain the timeline if it's a character that actually matters that's trying to influence it, hahaha||

#

||I do wonder why they kept him alive out of the trio, his entire personality so far is just calling Cloud 'bro' and making-jokes-about-eating-because-he's-fatTM||

hasty kernel
#

||Nah thats the thing, even then they dont really care||

#

||You know how Sephiroth kept appearing early? That doesnt happen in the original||

#

||He doesnt appear until the end of the midgar arc||

#

||But they didnt stop him||

toxic steppe
#

||You mean his appearance's when Cloud keeps holding his head? I assume they didn't show up then because it's just happening in his mind, up until they're at HQ nobody even physically reacts to Sephy being around||

#

||Speaking of, immediately after that happened nobody even mentioned it? They all got split up because Sephiroph cut the bridge and nobody is even like "Holy crap, was that Sephiroph the famed war hero?? The hell is he doing here?"||

#

Honestly all the moments where Cloud is having those visions make me laugh because it happens like, easily over ten times and every time Tifa or somebody else is like "Cloud, are you okay?" and he's like "I'm fine." and they just keep going but in reality if your friend kept groaning and stopping to hold their head/stare off into space after the second or third time of them telling you that they're fine, you'd be like - "Uh, the hell you are! What the actual heck is going on?"

wide ember
#

it's to cater to the gen z and millennials

#

they probably just assumed that it's part of his PTSD or SOLDIER stuff and that he knows about it to keep going

fervent zenith
#

||In the original game Sephiroth only appears TWICE in the entire game||

#

||The rest are all Jenova pretending to be him||

toxic steppe
#

That's an interesting factoid.

fervent zenith
#

||In this one is not true apparently||

#

||As Jenova powers seems VASTLY different||

#

The one thing everybody seems to like is that they made all easy bosses hard

#

As there were 3 bosses which were a joke on difficulty and they made them challenging

toxic steppe
#

I'm guessing Hell House is one of them.

fervent zenith
#

Hell House wasn't a boss period

#

It was a normal random encounter, but more powerful that the rest

#

The wall market was lamost nothing in the original

#

The three enforcers are new characters as is Leslie

toxic steppe
#

Leslie was in one of the movies though, right?

fervent zenith
#

He was in a book

toxic steppe
#

Ahh.

fervent zenith
#

Along with Kyrie

#

The colisseum thing was new

#

No, the three amped up bosses are the scorpion, the airbuster and a boss I think you haven't touched yet

toxic steppe
#

The Coliseum feels inspired by Kingdom Hearts

#

It wasn't surprising to find out that it's the same writer.

fervent zenith
#

Scotch and Koch hilariously are old characters

toxic steppe
#

Those are the announcers?

fervent zenith
#

Yeah

#

I still can't see how Kyrie is a tomboy

wide ember
#

japan has different notion of what is a tomboy

#

it's like how Misty from Pokemon was called a tomboy

toxic steppe
#

We didn't really have much time or opportunity for Kyrie to display tomboyish traits, but in aesthetic alone, yeah, definitely not tomboyish.

#

What she is, tho, is a certified hustler.

wide ember
#

Kyrie is also a gender neutral name, isn't it?

toxic steppe
#

I dunno, all I know is I was mispronouncing it in my head and the game made me grossly aware of that when Cloud said it.

#

I was thinking it was like said like Kairi is but that's the friggin Kingdom Hearts doing me wrong

fervent zenith
#

We got enough from her to determine she is a jerk, tho

toxic steppe
#

Nah she's just an OG

fervent zenith
#

I mean she badmouths you just so maybe she gets money

#

and then she screws you over after saving her life

toxic steppe
#

Though to be fair ||her grandmother is a notorious robin hood-esque thief|| so I'm wondering why she's chosen the route of being a punk, especially for something like gil.

#

And even then, when you first see her and she's badmouthing Avalanche, she only asks for FIVE measly gil from onlookers. If you're going to hustle, at least make money doing it.

#

I find over 2k gil in random containers!

fervent zenith
#

Spoiler from the book

toxic steppe
#

I don't blame her for stealing Jonny's wallet tho that guy is an idiot.

fervent zenith
#

||She becomes a better person on it but her grandma passes away of illness||

toxic steppe
#

Oh dang

#

||Does she take up the mantle of the Angel?||

fervent zenith
#

||She becomes a detective with Leslie, Evan And Fabio||

toxic steppe
#

Oooooh.

#

What's the book called?

fervent zenith
#

The Kids Are Alright

toxic steppe
#

I'll have to check it out!

wide ember
#

for a moment I thought you were trolling but it's actually called that

fervent zenith
#

This probably means Evan could appear in the Remake sequel which is interesting as he is (Spoilers ahead) ||President Shinra's illegitimate son||

wide ember
#

it's $50...

fervent zenith
toxic steppe
#

Oh it is super similar! With the addition of a cute hat.

fervent zenith
#

By the way I actually think the book i important

#

as it solver something the game left unaddressed

toxic steppe
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||Dude I just realized that Cloud's almost-final-words to Jessie were "You owe me a pizza." and that speaks volumes to Cloud's character hahaha, the poor tone-deaf idiot.||

fervent zenith
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The book confirms that Leslie (Spoilers again) ||Found his Fiancee alive||

toxic steppe
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Ooooh.

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I'm glad!

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I'm noticing that the theme of reunion seems to play a big part in the game.

fervent zenith
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Again the fact the game involves so much of the book makes me think they will put the plot of it in the middle

toxic steppe
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I think ||Sephiroph even tells Cloud to join him in 'Reunion' so it goes deeper than I think I am even aware||.

sudden umbra
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Cloud isnt tone-deaf as much as he is just a dork with the guise of being edgy

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i think

serene tulip
toxic steppe
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I guess he just really didn't want to ||accept that either Jessie or Biggs were actually dying in front of him, because when the latter tries to tell him about a message for Leaf House, Cloud is like "Nah, bro, you have to tell them yourselves" before he can even say what the message IS, and then he DIES, and Cloud doesn't even tell anybody at Leaf House?????||

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||So in one instance he didn't even let the man get his dying words out, essentially, and in the other the only thing he could think of to combat his pain was "You still owe me a pizza". RIP||

fervent zenith
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You know someone is gonna die when he tells you he teaches orphans in his spare time

toxic steppe
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Haha.

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It's a little cold-blooded, especially when the Leaf House teacher BLATANTLY tells Cloud that Biggs was her mentor so it's not like he doesn't know about the connection.

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It's like, dude, you run into her not long after it all goes down, and you don't even mention it?

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Also shout out to when you find ||the same teacher in a back alley in Wall Market, wearing a Honeybee costume||

fervent zenith
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Look! It's Biggs

hushed zenith
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To be fair, Cloud not ||dealing well with death and grief and choosing instead to shut down or pretend it isn't happening|| is pretty consistent for him.

toxic steppe
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I thought it was Charlie Sheen hahahaha

fervent zenith
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Biggs was based on him

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To the point that Biggs references the movie Platoon

toxic steppe
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I'm just wondering ||who/what tf Cloud is if he wasn't actually a SOLDIER, Hojo mentions something but then gets cut off||.

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I mean I know all the answers are out there and have been for like years lol

fervent zenith
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That's the biggest twist in the game

toxic steppe
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Hype.

fervent zenith
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Well apart that ||Cloud looks great in the dress||

toxic steppe
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Fr.

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I just wish they had done something else with his hair instead of tacking on braids lol

wide ember
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||Cloud looking good in a dress is never a twist||

toxic steppe
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I mean his mother is BANGING and her hair is like identical to his.

wide ember
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||you can tell from his face||

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I wish cloud's hair was put in a ponytail

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yes I do have a ponytail fetish

hushed zenith
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I hope you enjoy seeing the story when it comes out, Cale! It's been great seeiing people get into it for the first time without the context of the original.

toxic steppe
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It's been really fun!

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And exciting because FF is such a huge franchise but I was never really on the bandwagon until XV came out.

fervent zenith
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Final Fantasy VIIR also got now a great Bromance

toxic steppe
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My only exposure before then was some FF characters being in KH.

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Is it the Cloud x Barret bromance

fervent zenith
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RedXIII and Barrett

toxic steppe
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Hahaha.

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Dude Red XIII is so cool and I'm so curious about him

fervent zenith
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No, seriously each of their conversations is great

toxic steppe
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Him being a dog/cat thing that is sentient with that anime hair makes me think he was like, a person before that was turned into XIII via Hojo's experimentation.

fervent zenith
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Monsters talking in FF are pretty normal

toxic steppe
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||This is only furthered by the fact that he has a XIII tattooed on him, and you meet at least two hooded dudes earlier in the plot each with a different numbered tattoo on the same shoulder||

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That could be coincidence tho

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Who knows.

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The plot of these games is a wild ride

fervent zenith
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Those numbers were numeral though

toxic steppe
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Yeah. The numbering is probably just a Hojo thing that he does for various different experiments.

hasty kernel
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My favourite part of the remake

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Is that Barret is now afraid of heights

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I can relate

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||Seriously the path to Sector 5s reactor made me very uncomfortable||

fervent zenith
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So, I gave a suggestion to the game devs of other game and they implemented it 3 days later. God some people are great lol

wide ember
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what was the suggestion?

fervent zenith
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Gimme a sec

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@wide ember

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This was also on the menus btw

wide ember
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that does look much better after the fix

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good job!

fervent zenith
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Yeah, they are still in early Access but the game has notable progress

wide ember
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meanwhile my own game project... it's been almost a year and I'm still slowly drawing pixel arts

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they must have a team of people for that

fervent zenith
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Well it's a 12 people team iirc correc

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For an 3d indie game

wide ember
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12 is a good number

fervent zenith
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Although now they are hiring an animator if they didn't already

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To help with the faces

wide ember
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paid position?

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though to be fair, facial animation is very optional

fervent zenith
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Yeah, of course

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Here is the thing that's the thing people criticize the most

wide ember
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so they hire one, that sounds great, they really are taking the feedbacks to heart

bronze notch
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i just finished the true pacifist run of undertale, that was so sad :((

wide ember
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that reminds me, when is deltarune going to come out

sudden umbra
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ch2?

wide ember
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yeah

sudden umbra
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to quote toby fox, and by extension andrew hussie, "when it's ready"

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id estimate either this year or early next

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just depends on the scale he's going for

fervent zenith
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Actually here a have an image which shows when it's coming out

sudden umbra
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toby is probably too busy learning japanese and being weeb to work on his game smh

bronze notch
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i've heard that it could come out within the next 3 years

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as much as i want to play it i'm chill with waiting however long i need as long as toby thinks it's ready

fervent zenith
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Also all that pressure

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That guy has set on some people an impossible bar

sudden umbra
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i'd imagine the pressure doesnt get to him too much

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the pressure to create good content has been around him since his homestuck days

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if he can make anything after UT, he'll be fine

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that would probably have been the critical moment

odd grove
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He was busy with his work at gamefreak tho'

wide ember
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I'm still surprised that deltarune correctly decided to target the niche group of "nerds who, when they were boys, had a crush on the tall bully girl"

odd grove
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It makes sense he wanted to prioritize working on big industry titles

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Eh, my class' tall girl wasn't a bully

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Can't relate

fervent zenith
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Remember the internet during undertale release?

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Wild times

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Ok, gonna play troubleshooter

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The artstyle is a banger

wide ember
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mantra are you like a professional game reviewer or something that's so many games

fervent zenith
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No, why?

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I'm just hobbyist

wide ember
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and trouble shooter is the game you said you'll tell your children that it's xcom few days ago, right?

fervent zenith
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Ye'

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I've been playing videogames 20 years now xd

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Let me check how many games I got on steam alone

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490

wide ember
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that's strangely less than I thought

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though your ps and portable consoles must also have in few hundreds

fervent zenith
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Well yeah but only a hundred games or so

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Lol first menu and I find a typo

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No wait, 3

wide ember
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ouch

fervent zenith
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I think there are 6 typos or more

wide ember
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they have the same auto-correct as my phone and pc apparently

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and english is probably not their first language

fervent zenith
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I can see it

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There is also a demo of an interesting game I wanna play later

fervent zenith
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Lmao

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The Catastrophic Disaster

hasty kernel
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To be totally honest

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Such a kind of generic name is totally what I would expect

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If such a thing happened in the real world

upbeat scroll
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some sort of "calamity"

fervent zenith
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I heard it was a disaster

desert minnow
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lol did they rip blazblue off by making the main lad the spooky calamity

fervent zenith
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I don't think so

hasty kernel
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Nah, not convoluted and incomprehensible enough

bronze notch
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I'm trying to work my way through my backlog of games, which one would you guys recommend playing first: To the Moon, Ori and the Blind Forest, Pyre, Iconoclasts, or Divinity Original Sin II

tropic garden
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to the moon or pyre

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i don't know iconoclasts, but pyre or to the moon are the shortest games on that list

bronze notch
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@fervent zenith that paradise killer game reminds me of a pretty obscure anime from a couple years back called Nanana's Buried Treasure

tropic garden
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divinity original sin 2 is a 60+ hour commitment

fervent zenith
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Never heard of it

tropic garden
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and honestly i wasn't...that...impressed with it. the combat is fantastic and highly strategic but the writing is uhhhhhh

fervent zenith
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Pyre is always the correct option

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Even in unrelated questions.

tropic garden
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I'm Not Biased Or Anything but i agree lolol

bronze notch
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yeah i've kept starting and stopping divinity because it has these moments where you feel great and that you know what you're doing and then suddenly there's this huge roadblock that you have NO idea how to overcome

tropic garden
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where are you at?

bronze notch
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seems consensus is pyre lol, i'll start playing

fervent zenith
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Bruh, this is a SGG discord. I think it was obvious the answer xd

bronze notch
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in DOS i believe i'm off the island with my source collar off, and i've done a couple missions to progress the story part i believe. Though this was a couple months ago, not sure exactly where i left things off before i took a break

tropic garden
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you got off the island! that's honestly. doing pretty good, haha

bronze notch
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yeah i spent like 11 hours there and i'm sure there's still a ton of stuff i missed

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i like how much content there is, but it's really overwhelming

fervent zenith
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That's why with some exceptions I avoid long winded games

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The prospects of dozens of hours of play stresses me out

bronze notch
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yeah i can't do it

toxic steppe
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I finished FFVIIR.

faint panther
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Thoughts on ||plot ghosts?||

sudden torrent
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||The Ghosts of the past, present and future, but time changing. ||

toxic steppe
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Well I never played the OG so honsetly.

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||I really have no strong opinion on them one way or another, though the ending did leave me like, super confused and with so many more questions than answers x]||

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That's to be expected, though.

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It's not really an 'ending' since it's the first 10% of the overall thing.

sudden torrent
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||From one standpoint they did have to do something to make the plot somewhat unexpected for the old players, yet from another it's surely confusing for the newcomers. In the end I feel like it had weaker effect on being serious with the plot despite the fact how serious the game tried to look like, comedically it did well. Also why the hell did they add in these robot hands that you had to control and use to just pass them?|| I feel like also the game tried too much on slowing down the pace between action stuff it had with talks and all like that, there definitely lacked pace in that.

toxic steppe
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Here's what I'm wondering. ||Near the end you see the plot ghosts showing them a bunch of flashes of things, presumably the future and the past. I recognized the pool in which Aerith dies in there, at least. But Aerith also mentions that they take a piece of her whenever they touch her, whatever that means. What I'm wondering is, is the inclusion the of the plot ghosts and their interaction with Aerith making her aware of things that have already come to pass? She knew Cloud was an ex-SOLDIER right away, she very early on makes a comment about 'changing fate' which is exactly what they do at the end, and when she touches both XIII and Marlene they like, see something. What is she showing them? After she showed Marlene she calmed down instantly, and then Aerith put her finger to her mouth. What does it all meannnnn||

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I thought the pacing was fine, personally.

odd grove
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Uhm this is all nice and dandy but idk what are you all on about BUT i wanna chat soooo...

toxic steppe
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Hahaha.

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FFV7 Remake stuff

odd grove
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Final Fantasy... 57?

toxic steppe
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FF7R*

odd grove
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FF7Remake is not a "remake" tho

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Remake implies that the same game was done from the ground up

toxic steppe
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Bruh I didn't name it that so I'm not going to argue the semantics of it

odd grove
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FF7Remake is closer to... A reimagination

toxic steppe
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That's just what they call it

odd grove
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I know but as a lingo nerd it makes me boil with metaphorical rage

signal musk
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omg

toxic steppe
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Well after the ending of it I'm thinking it's not even a reimagining but a sorta sequel.

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Some Dark Tower-esque shenanigans seem to be afoot

sudden torrent
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Like I definitely know there should be some lore and plot drop between the action, but it felt too long at times with how much slow walking there was, at least I think they should only leave that to the important pieces of the plot or give the player ability to speed up in such parts, since not all really are there for the whole showcase of the plot.

toxic steppe
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||Apparently there's a book being translated rn that has canon information and it seems like multiple/alternate timelines may be a thing, considering that ending scene shows Zach not dying during his last stand||

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||I'm not sure I even understand the full implications of them beating Destiny, either. When they did, that explosion was seen by Zach as well as people in MIdgar. Did they like, release the hold Destiny has on the timeline(s)? I think it means that things are now going to start seriously deviating from the OG timeline.||

odd grove
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Well uhhh

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I might have a big brain but i'm also tired so i can't follow you quite

faint panther
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||I expect the major story beats to remain the same with exceptions.||

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||The path might vary, but we'll visit Nibelheim, the Golden Saucer, etc.||

toxic steppe
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||From what I'm reading, with all this new Ultimania information being translated people are thinking that it'll stick to the main beats but that an alternate timeline involving Zach will become intertwined as well.||

faint panther
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||I really really really really really want Part 2 now because whaaaaaat the hell does Zack's presence mean now?||

toxic steppe
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||Also saw somebody say that the Golden Saucer allegedly has enough content to just be a whole game in and of itself if they wanted.||

faint panther
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||at least it will simplify the love triangle if Aerith lives||

sudden torrent
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This all reminds me the fact Final Fantasy was supposed to be an important part of Kingdom Hearts.

faint panther
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I wanted a Midgar world so bad in KH3.

toxic steppe
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||I really hope she does live, so we can get Aerith x Zach and Cloud x Tifa and everybody wins.||

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Haha Leslie reminds me of Riku/Yozora

faint panther
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But then it released and I heard there weren't any FF characters.

toxic steppe
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Well we got Yozora who is like

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Based on the OG Noctis

sudden torrent
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peeposnug Kingdom Hearts really just became Disney world the game.

odd grove
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Kingdom Hearts is weird

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The focus so much on disney characters

toxic steppe
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Yeah I'm wondering what direction it's even going now, it's the start of a new trilogy

odd grove
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But have you SEEN a regular average joe know about KH?

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Like there is no mainstream market

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It doesn't help with newcomers that KH is one of "those" games

sudden torrent
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but also

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||You owe me a pizza. ||