Dusting all the new characters still in contract with movies on the way? Announcing Far From Home before Endgame was out? Please, none of them were going anywhere.
#off-topic-discussion
faint panther
hasty kernel
I mean, to be honest
It wouldve been clear even without that
Its comic books
People rarely stay dead
ornate trellis
@faint panther oh i havent seen infinity war
faint panther
Oh.
ornate trellis
i heard about all the deaths, and said mmmmnot doing that
faint panther
Well, in terms of understanding the MCU (if you like it) afterwards, they're important to see, but Infinity War and Endgame were 6/7 out of 10 movies.
hasty kernel
I mean, I liked them a lot
ornate trellis
honestly in terms of the mcu
ive only really been into guardians of galaxy and thor
ornate trellis
and i guess i also love venom but i dont think goopy boy counts even
hasty kernel
I dont think you can make comic book universes and have them be serious and gritty
faint panther
He does not, no.
faint panther
They did it for two Batman movies.
ornate trellis
ive never really liked avengers and stuff and havent seen much of them
its like
theyre fine i guess
ornate trellis
i did love Ragnarok and the guardians of the galaxy movies
hasty kernel
But once you throw them all in the same place, you start to get elements of "how can anyone take this fully seriously"
hasty kernel
I mean, I think the characters are the highlight of Marvel movies moreso than anything else
But there is always a certain joke-y element to it
toxic steppe
I like them all, but I grew up reading comic books and still read them.
Plus I'm a huge Spidey nerd so to see him on screen in any form is a delight to me.
ornate trellis
spidey is cool
toxic steppe
Imo he's the best superhero, in general.
hasty kernel
Spidey is neat
My favourite hero is probably, hm
I never actually thought about that
I like Booster Gold when he is written well
But thats kind of a rarity
hasty kernel
And I know this will drag my reputation way down, but I actually really like Deadpool
Though he definitely works best with a straight man to work off of
I.e. Spidey
faint panther
I loved the first Deadpool.
Two hours of deeply irreverent humor with a side of some pretty slick action scenes.
toxic steppe
Deadpool is like one of the most widely accepted and loved characters why would that drag your reputation down lol
hasty kernel
In the past couple years there has been a bit of backlash against him and his "random" style of humour
toxic steppe
Has there, though.
faint panther
In some ways, yes.
toxic steppe
Or is it the vocal minority of the internet striking again.
hasty kernel
Hard to tell, tbh
faint panther
But Ryan Reynolds's Deadpool is pretty universally beloved.
hasty kernel
Yeah thats true I suppose
toxic steppe
It's not hard to tell.
hasty kernel
Ironically my favourite version is still the one from UMvC3
toxic steppe
People that read the actual material don't give a dang.
hasty kernel
The one that introduced me to the character
He beats the enemy up with his healthbar
faint panther
I've heard that version is pretty good, but I can't play fighting games.
toxic steppe
Oh man I haven't played Marvel v Capcom in a minute
hasty kernel
Before launching an explosive homerun with his combo meter
Its also the game that got me into anime fighters
Anyway, its easier to say what my favourite villain is, moreso than hero
faint panther
Amon.
hasty kernel
Dr. Doom for me
But yeah, I like superhero movies, but I think in a shared universe, you cant have stories like Demon in a Bottle in them
Just references
faint panther
Avatar: Legend of Korra.
wide ember
oh
hasty kernel
Is there more than one Amon?
wide ember
Starcraft
hasty kernel
Oh
wide ember
but the bird one is the Egyptian god
faint panther
Well, first, he's either a major Egyptian deity, or he's one of the demons from the Ars Goetia.
wide ember
the Ars Goetia one is technically Aamon I think?
hasty kernel
I also liked Slade from Teen Titans as a villain
tranquil cloud
I liked Amon until the backstory reveal
wide ember
like, accent on the first one, not the second
tranquil cloud
I thought it was somewhat lackluster
hasty kernel
Though much of Slade is his voicework
faint panther
Ron Perlman, baby.
hasty kernel
In general I like villains with a calm, possibly even soft-spoken voice
faint panther
"Make it look effortless."
hasty kernel
Where the threat lies in how unthreatening they appear
faint panther
If they never have to raise their voice, never seem to have to exert any effort but everyone is always terrified, you know they're bad.
"We've got you surrounded and you're still very calmly sipping your tea. This is deeply unnerving."
hasty kernel
Yeah
Doom also does that well
Though Doom likes to ham it up every once in a while
wide ember
personally the type of villain that I find interesting in fiction (but frustration in real life) is the beloved villain
instead of fear, their subjects love them
this ranges from Dracula from Castlevania, who is very much loved by Death and God alike and all his suffering come from humans and human decisions
to Gulcasa, who is a very beloved king, but the actions of so-called protagonists drove him into despair and he ended up wanting to revive an ancient evil and thus created the battle that made the protagonists arguably heroes
to Reileen from Altered Carbon, who is very loved by the protagonist but is a shadow of her former self, and ironically she suffered the most when she was a decent person
toxic steppe
Favorite villain, hmmmmm
Does Zuko count if ultimately he redeems?
He's my favorite fictional character of all time.
tranquil cloud
Zuko is an antagonist not a villain
tranquil cloud
I also love zuko
odd grove
Yeah Zuko is cool
tranquil cloud
I mean even when zuko is not yet redeemed, I wouldn’t say he’s the villain
toxic steppe
Yeah you right, he just attacks small tribes of only women and children
tranquil cloud
S3 is best Korra
hasty kernel
Zuko is more of an anti-hero
odd grove
Honestly? The main thing about Korra that sets it from the OG series is...
At one point, i stopped caring
toxic steppe
At the very beginning Zuko is 100% the villain.
hasty kernel
Yeah at the start he is a villain
odd grove
Like, i legitimately stopped bothering about the show and characters
tranquil cloud
@toxic steppe he doesn’t, actually, he threatens to, if Aang doesn’t come with him, and then when Aang breaks his word and escapes Zuko doesn’t go back and fulfill his threats
toxic steppe
At least until Commander Zhao comes in
odd grove
Something that never happened while i watched Aang's saga
hasty kernel
Ive never seen Korra
toxic steppe
It helps to watch it directly off of the tail end of TLA, Ray.
hasty kernel
But Ive also never seen every episode of Avatar
tranquil cloud
I still say he’s not villainous, he is definitely the main antagonist at that point though
toxic steppe
O:
tranquil cloud
He was morally misguided
hasty kernel
Ive seen a lot of them
odd grove
I feel we lost a lot by having Korra not learn the elements one by one
hasty kernel
But like
toxic steppe
I consider an antagonist a villain.
toxic steppe
I assume we have different definitions in our heads for the word 'villain'.
tranquil cloud
Ah then this is a semantic debate
hasty kernel
There is an important distinction between the 2
Because you can have a villain protagonist
toxic steppe
I just mean the dude that opposes the main character.
odd grove
By having her bend like 3 elements right away we lose the equivalent of oh so many books
odd grove
Well, megaming isn't really a villain
tranquil cloud
Megamind 
odd grove
That's the point of the movie
hasty kernel
He is one at the start
toxic steppe
Yeah but why would you want to watch the same show twice in a row, Ray
We already saw the inverse, starting with 1 and learning the other 3.
odd grove
Megamind is the bad guy because he was never given a reason of why should he be more than that
But isn't it weird?
toxic steppe
I like Korra because it starts to tackle some more mature elements.
hasty kernel
Right, but he is a villain protagonist who becomes a hero of sorts
odd grove
That Korra bends to some degree at like 8?
toxic steppe
Savior complexes, PTSD, etc.
odd grove
Not just water
But earth and fire too
THat's a big part
Korra is from the water tribe
odd grove
Yet she had more issues with wind than Fire, her POLAR OPPOSSITE
hasty kernel
Wasnt it stated that the Avatars have different affinities
I mean, thats part of it
tranquil cloud
That was part of her character though
toxic steppe
Air is actually the polar opposite of Fire, not Water.
hasty kernel
Yeah
tranquil cloud
Her personality was more suited to other elements than water
odd grove
No?
toxic steppe
Earth and Water are the opposites.
hasty kernel
At least within the universe airbending and firebending are the opposites
odd grove
It's Air / Earth
tranquil cloud
Earth and air are opposites
toxic steppe
.-.
tranquil cloud
And lots of people comment that Korra is more naturally inclined to earth than water
Despite being born a member of the water tribe
odd grove
She feels more like fire to me
Like remember that Fire Nation dude who used earth bending???
faint panther
She's Earth/Fire.
tranquil cloud
Her water bending style even looks more like an earth bender
odd grove
In Toph's debut
faint panther
It's why Aang had so much issue learning Earth.
hasty kernel
Because you have the peaceful air nomads and the imeprialist fire nation
odd grove
So there ARE people who have a better natural affinity to a single element
hasty kernel
That seems like a perfect opposite
odd grove
Regardless of their nation
toxic steppe
In the show, the only reason Aang struggles with Earthbending is because of his PERSONALITY
faint panther
Yeah, but fire and air aren't thematically opposed.
toxic steppe
Not because the two styles are opposites.
hasty kernel
I mean, you could make the case for making them thematically opposed
toxic steppe
He grew up as an Airbending monk.
The rigidness of Earthbending was too difficult a style for him to grasp.
It wasn't because the elements are considered polar opposites.
faint panther
It was stated more than once that the element comes with the trappings.
hasty kernel
Because as it is, you have airbending and earthbending, both of which are considered defensive and peaceful, be opposites
toxic steppe
When it boils down to the STYLE of bending, Air and Fire are opposites.
faint panther
Like, in show they were talking about this exact thing and Tenzin brings up how Aang had trouble with Earthbending.
toxic steppe
Air is about being calm, Fire is about rage.
Water is about flowing, Earth is about standing still.
faint panther
Firebending circa 100 ASC is about rage, there was an episode about how just rage was missing so much about fire.
toxic steppe
This is discussed when they mention the concept of 'jin' in the show.
tranquil cloud
@toxic steppe I agree his personality is related, but his personality IS especially suited to air bending. Him having trouble with earth due to his personality and due to it being opposite air is both for the same underlying reason
toxic steppe
lol right now we're just working through the same problem the characters had
odd grove
I wish they had gone all the way with the idea of Korra having another elemental affinity
tranquil cloud
@faint panther zuko eventually learns to firebend without rage, from the dragons
faint panther
I know.
odd grove
But as they did it, it felt more like "air bending hard"
faint panther
But to say that fire and air are opposite because fire is anger and air is calm is missing the point.
toxic steppe
Korra Airbent using Fire style moves.
tranquil cloud
Yeah I’m not so much arguing with you as adding a related point
tranquil cloud
Fire can do things other than hurt people
velvet fjord
korra had trouble with airbending with the exact opposite reason aang struggled with earthbending, I thought
mild pelican
earth is about standing grounded and serious. it's difficult for easyminded nomads
tranquil cloud
Air can kill people
toxic steppe
It's a point literally made in the show, I'm not missing anything. They establish 'jing' which has negative and positive traits.
faint panther
Jeong Jeong used a wall of fire as a defensive move and Zaheer kills the Earth Queen on-screen with airbending.
mild pelican
guess politics is not the case
hasty kernel
Fire can do more than hurt people, but it cant actually defend, other than as a deterrent
odd grove
Fire can extinguish OTHER fires
hasty kernel
Or better put using the adage of "the best defense is a good offense"
odd grove
How crazy is that?
toxic steppe
Ultimately all we're doing right is just breaking down the incredible nuance of the show's writing.
hasty kernel
Right that part of airbending is a thing though
velvet fjord
in conclusion
avatar is great watch it
toxic steppe
Korra is also super good.
hasty kernel
But its on the level of bloodbending as being rather opposite to the usualy nature of the bending Id argue
toxic steppe
You might be due for a rewatch, Ray.
My initial viewing wasn't wholly positive either.
faint panther
Korra does go places.
odd grove
I have just so many issues tho
toxic steppe
I sat down and rewatched it all in one go.
odd grove
At times it's legitimately good
toxic steppe
All of TLA and LOK.
tranquil cloud
Korra s3 has some of the best animated fight choreography I’ve ever seen
toxic steppe
It's fair to keep in mind that a lot of the times that happened is because of network interference.
odd grove
For example, the whole "sport tournament"
faint panther
Tenzin vs Zaheer 
toxic steppe
Then they went digital only for their last two books.
hasty kernel
All Ive heard is that the love triangle thing was stupid
toxic steppe
And the quality upped a bit more again.
odd grove
I watched during that and the sport thing was useless
hasty kernel
And that Korrasami wasnt hinted at enough
faint panther
Oh, Pro-bending in Book 1?
odd grove
Is introduced things that were left behind never to have importance again
toxic steppe
I like Probending
odd grove
Korrasami straight up didn't make sense
toxic steppe
It was just a device used to root it in a more modern setting.
odd grove
There is nothing out of it that suggets a healthy relationship either
hasty kernel
I do know that the boat scene at the end of season 1 was cool
velvet fjord
Korra is all over the place because they weren't actually sure how many seasons they'd get
which is why the seasons have their own story rather than the overall story TLA had
toxic steppe
Plus it's used as a narrative device p. hard
faint panther
Probending is a decent-enough sideplot that, as the stakes get higher, is rightfully left behind.
odd grove
Mainly cuz neither korra and asami ever interacted that much
tranquil cloud
Korrasami makes so much sense if you watch with it in mind all along
tranquil cloud
They absolutely interact
faint panther
Korra and Asami were penpals during the season 3-4 gap.
toxic steppe
I never felt that, either.
velvet fjord
I didn't like the romance arcs at all in korra tbh
mild pelican
guess, it's like.. TLA is about how to grow from noone as a hero and achieve many things.. LOK is about growing as a human, but losing a lot as well
tranquil cloud
More deeply than korra and either of Bolin or mako
toxic steppe
Korra and Asami were always friendly but there was never any romantic connotations.
faint panther
It's mentioned on-screen once or twice that Korra stopped talking to anyone except Asami while she was healing.
odd grove
It was a love triangle towards a guy that out of nowhere just flips???
tranquil cloud
Asami is the only person she writes letters to while she’s away
hasty kernel
Romance in a story not focused on it is hard to pull off
odd grove
Like how wack is that?
hasty kernel
Hence why I kinda prefer it when its just not a major thing
faint panther
Well by season 3 it was no longer a triangle.
toxic steppe
I've done written correspondence before too but I wasn't romantically interested in my pen pal. x]
faint panther
Cool, you're one situation that doesn't account for the whole of the human experience.
tranquil cloud
They blush every time either of them pays the other a compliment. They get awkward about accidental touches
hasty kernel
I mean
toxic steppe
Are these not normal reactions
hasty kernel
That happens between friends too?
tranquil cloud
It can, sure
odd grove
But we gotta keep in mind what happened between them before
hasty kernel
Less so between guy friends because ironic insults are the way to go there
tranquil cloud
But she doesn’t blush about the other people complimenting her
faint panther
It was very subtextual, but it's visible upon a second viewing.
tranquil cloud
It 100% makes sense if you look for it
toxic steppe
It is if you close your eyes and believe hard enough.
odd grove
Keep in mind Korra literally stole her boyfriend and then they broke up
tranquil cloud
I’ve watched through the series twice
toxic steppe
I liked Mako.
tranquil cloud
I do like Mako but I don’t think he was good as a romantic partner for either of them
toxic steppe
I didn't really need a romantic subplot at all but I liked Mako.
They made up for it tho
faint panther
Mako sucks most of the time he's talking to a girl until season 4.
faint panther
He's a good older brother for the most part.
tranquil cloud
Oh haha the one voiced by what’s her name
toxic steppe
Aubrey Plaza
odd grove
I don't feel all to into most of the main cast if i can be honest
faint panther
Desna.
toxic steppe
And she's like, chasing him over water at mach 10 with mascara trailing down her face
velvet fjord
oh yeah that lmao
faint panther
tranquil cloud
Anyway. Korrasami is my hill to die on haha
It’s so rare to have bi representation
toxic steppe
I like Korrasami after they go into the portal.
tranquil cloud
It mattered to me
toxic steppe
Like it feels good in the comic.
velvet fjord
I didn't like korrasami, I know we just went over it but it came out of nowhere for me
bubbline in adventure time though, that was done well
odd grove
Don't the comics also feature korra being incompetent several times?
toxic steppe
At the time it also did feel like it was just a politically relevant ploy they used too, so there was a lot of backlash.
odd grove
Like, in delicate stuff
odd grove
She feels more "unbearably stubborn" rather than someone i can root for
toxic steppe
There needs to be some form of character development.
tranquil cloud
In terms of reacting to people giving compliments, I might get embarrassed from compliments from anyone, but I don’t really get blushy/heart racing unless there’s some interest
sharp grail
I didn’t watch all of lok, but I remember liking korrasami since the beginning, so I’m not complaining lol
toxic steppe
I blush but I'm a male and as is standard I'm starved of most affection, platonic or otherwise.
tranquil cloud
I’m not saying it would appeal to all bi people
odd grove
Mostly because either of them feel like characters on their own
tranquil cloud
Just that it’s nice to have representation, the more examples there are of it the more likely everyone will have something highly relatable to them
odd grove
And what we had from them beforehand didn't even feel as if they had chemistry on a "likable" way
sudden torrent
I honestly couldn't stick myself much to KOR tbh. It's ok. But it's definitely more overshadowed by the last airbender for me at least.
tranquil cloud
I think if it were made today there would have been more hints and it would have gone further
velvet fjord
throwing it in at literally the last five seconds of the show with no buildup at all is weak
not like the best cartoon of all time, adventure time
toxic steppe
Yeah.
odd grove
I just want humane characters, that's it
toxic steppe
But again to be fair none of this is the fault of the writer's.
tranquil cloud
There was buildup, it was just subtle
faint panther
Bryke have gone on the record as saying they did as much as they thought Nick would let them.
toxic steppe
The development of Korra was really tanked by Nickelodeon.
velvet fjord
very, very subtle evidently
toxic steppe
It could have been so much more.
velvet fjord
yeah nick screwed it over
toxic steppe
So I just try to enjoy it for what it is.
odd grove
Bruh have you seen the loud house
velvet fjord
if you try to compare LoK to TLA you'll inevitably be disappointed, because nothing can ever beat TLA
toxic steppe
TLA was lightning in a bottle.
hasty kernel
Yeah Nickelodeon seems to have a penchant for ruining things with executive meddling
tranquil cloud
I have hopes for The Dragon Prince
faint panther
Agreed.
hasty kernel
Also such a shame we never got Constant Payne
tranquil cloud
But ATLA is on a pretty high pedestal
toxic steppe
I do really really really love ALOK though.
Like a ton.
It's not a ten for me but.
Maybe an 8.
velvet fjord
agreed
faint panther
Nah, I'd say it's in the running for best tv show of all-time.
velvet fjord
it's good
faint panther
It's on The List™️.
toxic steppe
Especially the latter two books.
hasty kernel
I cant say Avatar is my favourite cartoon, simply because I havent ever watched all of it
toxic steppe
OH
hasty kernel
But its certainly very good
tranquil cloud
Yeah s3 to s4 was a good call
sudden torrent
I know this is off topic, but for some reason I reminded myself that I still dislike Life is Strange due to this conversation.
tranquil cloud
I only played the first life is strange
toxic steppe
I liked Life is Strange but I just like to emotionally torment myself.
tranquil cloud
Oh I keep meaning to watch that
odd grove
You are not alone Wok
velvet fjord
I wouldn't go as far to say the best of all time because TLA and adventure time are there
but it has some really good moments. Amon is probably one of my favorite villains and the boat scene is still devastating, especially in a kids show
toxic steppe
Is it as good as the pilot, Uno?
odd grove
Life is Strange is a crime towards humanity
velvet fjord
woah
toxic steppe
I saw some stuff when it was starting that it dipped in quality comparatively.
tranquil cloud
I was intrigued when there was a puzzle on the teaser for it
hasty kernel
I think the pilot was fully adapted into an episode?
The first episode, I imagine
But yeah, its really good
I kinda prefer the artstyle they settled with
toxic steppe
Also I like The Dragon Prince, Dama.
tranquil cloud
I was disappointed in The Hollow
hasty kernel
Its a heartwarming show first and foremost
tranquil cloud
I liked Voltron up until Lotor didn’t get redeemed
hasty kernel
Season 2 even moreso
toxic steppe
Which also worked on TLA/LOK.
tranquil cloud
I was SO MAD
tardy anchor
i havent seen any of these but she ra, and she ra is EXCELENT
toxic steppe
She Ra is SO GOOD
hasty kernel
Here is to hoping Season 3 keeps it up
tranquil cloud
Justice for Lotor plZ
toxic steppe
Now I want to see She-Ra art from you, Kam.
tardy anchor
UHHH i prob have somewhere
hasty kernel
Supposedly Steven Universe actually managed to get back from the dip it had
tranquil cloud
He’s like chrono trigger Magus, but in space
sudden torrent
I am honestly worried how are they going to do the third season. First for me was meh, due to how one dimensional most characters, but I view other entries in LiS ok.
odd grove
I hardly believe that
tranquil cloud
But then they went and, ughhshdbrbdh
toxic steppe
What dip, Uno?
tardy anchor
https://66.media.tumblr.com/d97fdd65f50ceb0549d24414c1373d21/tumblr_pirix8tCpH1rdtvsco1_400.png oh! this was from a bit after s1 i think
velvet fjord
I really didn't like SU at all
toxic steppe
I enjoyed SU.
hasty kernel
I recall that the show at some point kinda started to have a drop in quality
toxic steppe
But it did take some heavy convincing from my former housemate.
hasty kernel
Both visually and narratively
velvet fjord
which is a shame because Rebecca Sugar wrote some of the best AT episodes
tranquil cloud
I liked SU but haven’t gotten around to watching SU future
tardy anchor
odd grove
I have a friend who is a die hard SU fan, who actually liked the diamonds redeeming themselves after admitting it was silly, and she says that Future is completely uncalled for
hasty kernel
But I didnt follow it closely
toxic steppe
I haven't watched Future yet but I'm excited for it because again
TIME SKIP
My favorite narrative device
lol
tranquil bay
hey this is abrupt and i hate to divert your lovely ongoing topic but does anyone remember the old starburst berries and creme adverts because someone just reminded me of them and i wish i hadnt remembered and now i wish for everyone to suffer with me
hasty kernel
Oh hey, I liked Penguins of Madagascar
tranquil bay
sharing is caring
hasty kernel
A very silly show
faint panther
I don't remember them.
velvet fjord
Penguins was actually better than the movies, change my mind
hasty kernel
But a very fun silly show
hasty kernel
I mean it was, yeah
toxic steppe
A little song and dance
tranquil bay
yes
toxic steppe
HAHA
sudden torrent
I am honestly waiting for SU to end so that once it does I can actually know if Future's ending did way better than the previous season's ending.
tranquil bay
dressed in green
hasty kernel
The penguins were the highlights of the movie
tardy anchor
i really like su, i feel like... for ten minutes i get to live in a world where we can all fix major issues with a song and a hug. like i dont feel like the diamond redemption is realistic in any way but i enjoy getting to pretend it could be ykno
toxic steppe
What does he say again
hasty kernel
And they amped it up to 11 with the show
You might not want to watch SU Future then Kam
toxic steppe
Uno are you being satirical right now
hasty kernel
No?
tardy anchor
oh im watching it and im loving it!!
hasty kernel
The penguins were great
tardy anchor
i love the way theyre delving into his issues
velvet fjord
who would be satirical about fact
hasty kernel
No Im unironically saying that I loved the show
tranquil bay
cursed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYX_zhlTDr8 @toxic steppe
you're welcome, now i leave
hasty kernel
It helps that the german dub was also really good
faint panther
Yeah, I'm not watching that.
tardy anchor
but the way su is, i also feel confident that they;ll relsolve his issues too
toxic steppe
It's actually a hilarious commercial, Schpoon.
odd grove
Idk tho
tardy anchor
it tends to like....raise very good questions and not the most nuanced answers imo. but i think thats fine.
tranquil cloud
From what I’ve seen of SU future it looks kinda dark
hasty kernel
In general german dubbing is surprisingly good
tranquil cloud
Thematically
odd grove
I feel most cartoons rely on the same baselines to make what essentially is the same story
sudden torrent
Only thing I know about SU future is that copypasta, meme edits of him being in stress and Steven uh pink.
velvet fjord
you feel wrong?
tranquil cloud
Does anyone watch Dark on Netflix?
toxic steppe
Well most stories are essentially the same story, though.
tranquil cloud
It’s a German show
hasty kernel
Still, its kinda odd that we dont get a lot of shows like Avatar
faint panther
Someone once said that the old Quizno's singing potato might have been a curse on all of us.
tranquil cloud
Time travel sci fi
toxic steppe
It's all about that jazz
faint panther
I'm not taking that chance with another one.
toxic steppe
Those were surreal.
odd grove
Not battles for the country, the planet and all that
tardy anchor
honestly look how far deep i am in hades, i see a cartoon person with family problems and issues theyre ignoring and i slurp that right up every time
toxic steppe
Hahahaha
hasty kernel
I guess a show like Avatar is just too ambitious for any network nowadays
odd grove
I want more localized conflicts
Something that does not give you an excuse for not allowing the hero to lose
hasty kernel
Watch Infinity Train
toxic steppe
It's almost like these storylines can be related to as a product of a 90's because that seems to be inherently linked to growing up in a dysfunctional household.
odd grove
I already watched and loved infinity train
toxic steppe
For me, at least.
odd grove
Both
sudden torrent
I want something like Iconoclasts to step on my heart and scar me for a week or so tbh.
odd grove
DO IT
toxic steppe
I didn't realize IT had 2 seasons at this point
tardy anchor
but chapter 1 in enjoyed VERY much
velvet fjord
did anyone watch Hilda on netflix? my sister was watching it and it looked pretty cute
toxic steppe
Hilda is good!
odd grove
JUST WATCH ITTTT
hasty kernel
Do it, Season 2 is also really good
hasty kernel
Though it goes a bit darker at points
velvet fjord
I should watch Infinity Train
odd grove
Yes
hasty kernel
Because its not actually available here
toxic steppe
lol
odd grove
You should
sudden torrent
[I am probably the only one who experienced Iconoclasts in one sitting for 10 houre, but it was worth it].
velvet fjord
eventually I'll type Train correctly
toxic steppe
We'll pretend it never happened.
odd grove
Infinity Train gives me hopes for western animation
toxic steppe
And I commend your effort.
velvet fjord
hasty kernel
But yeah, I wish we got something like Avatar again, a long, story-focused show
odd grove
That we can get more than just a coat of paint over the same skeleton of a story
velvet fjord
gravity falls...?
sudden torrent
Eventually I should pick up watching stuff again but as of right now and about 1-2 years I haven't watched anything.
hasty kernel
Id argue Gravity Falls wasnt very story-focused?
toxic steppe
Have you seen Young Justice?
hasty kernel
Yeah
sudden torrent
toxic steppe
Unfortunately cancelled
hasty kernel
I liked Young Justice
toxic steppe
But very good
odd grove
Young justice was cancelled
odd grove
And i mean hopes because it happened recently
tranquil cloud
Gravity falls becomes very story focused
toxic steppe
Again? Was it brought back?
odd grove
Like geeze i ain't saying no western animation is good
toxic steppe
Oh
odd grove
It's seemingly getting a new season
toxic steppe
I don't think it was cancelled again then.
I just mean the first time.
That's hype!
velvet fjord
I'd argue that it starts story focused as well, it just doesn't dedicate 100% of each episode to progressing that story
toxic steppe
Yeah, dang, it really is hard to recommend Western animations on a similar level to Last Airbender.
hasty kernel
The ending however was polarising
hasty kernel
Even anime Id argue often doesnt do what Avatar did
sudden torrent
I should probably find something and pick up for watch, but I always keep finding out about something after they aired and basically spoil myself with YouTube recommendations.
hasty kernel
The story is rarely focused from the start
toxic steppe
Oh I'd definitely argue against that.
odd grove
But anyways
hasty kernel
And instead just goes wildly off-track
odd grove
I need some shows to watch
hasty kernel
There are definitely anime that do that
odd grove
I want only the finest narrative
tranquil cloud
I haven’t watched most of it but I heard good things about kipo and the age of the wonderbeasts
hasty kernel
But even stuff like One Piece goes just about everywhere
sudden torrent
Or I can continue reading Stone Ocean tbh
hasty kernel
Though I do almost like One Piece
tranquil cloud
Also Hilda is great but short and not as large in story scope
hasty kernel
Hence "often"
Not always
Anyway, One Piece would be a better if it werent for the artstyle change post-timeskip
toxic steppe
I've seen more that are like that than aren't.
I watch shorter anime, though.
Definitely not something like One Piece.
sudden torrent
Hilda was alright good, but I dunno it didn't stuck to me like other shows for whatever reason.
odd grove
It's a slice of life manga with an actual long term plot
tranquil cloud
I really love the first three eps of Hilda in particular
odd grove
It's odd
hasty kernel
Even with god knows how many chapters/episodes
tranquil cloud
Even if you don’t watch the rest
hasty kernel
It still finds new and cool things to do
odd grove
Like rosario vampire
toxic steppe
I'd watch it if it didn't seem like such a monumental task now.
tranquil cloud
I could watch those first three repeatedly
odd grove
But far more fun
hasty kernel
But yeah, artstyle is a big ehh
hasty kernel
Like, the changes to Nami and Robin are so much worse
velvet fjord
yarr, a fool ye be
toxic steppe
Aye
odd grove
At least it ain't like Dragon Ball
hasty kernel
Not that I would ever say it was good, exactly
hasty kernel
Yeah Dragon Ball is a mess
toxic steppe
I assume you're referring to Super.
hasty kernel
World Trigger is good
odd grove
No
hasty kernel
Eh, Id argue Z was already kind of a mess
odd grove
Dragon ball as a whole
toxic steppe
Dragon Ball and Z are fine up until Cell arc.
faint panther
No, Dragon Ball was a big from Z forwards especially, probably some in Dragon Ball.
Freeza isn't great.
tranquil cloud
Demon Slayer is good, anime-wise
toxic steppe
Oh you're talking animation wise
odd grove
Like goku's backstory is that he was sent to the planet earth to destroy humans
hasty kernel
Though my main issue is the fights in Dragon Ball
Its a show very focused on its fights
toxic steppe
I pay literally no attention to animation quality in anime.
hasty kernel
But its fights are boring
toxic steppe
I'm there for the story.
odd grove
But he got hit in the head and became dumb and good
Buuuut the broly movie retconned that
tranquil cloud
Demon Slayer has a good story AND the animation is freaking gorgeous
hasty kernel
On a sidenote, if you like good story, I can recommend the Legend of Galactic Heroes reboot
odd grove
Now he was deemed weak, and got a superman-esque last resort before vegeta exploded
hasty kernel
Its a very good anime
toxic steppe
In the case of Dragon Ball Z, ultimately at the end of the day
odd grove
I wanna watch Trigun
toxic steppe
I'm just there to see Goku go Super Saiyan
faint panther
I'll say that Dragon Ball Z Kai does much better on the pacing.
tranquil cloud
Especially bad or especially good animation can make or break something for me
faint panther
Their first DBcember, top 24 moments?
toxic steppe
Like it started as a parody but the things they do
tranquil cloud
But middle of the road it tends to be a background feature
toxic steppe
Just genuinely made it better.
hasty kernel
Putting less emphasis on the fights
faint panther
"You knew it was going to be here. It had to be here."
hasty kernel
And ironically that does indeed make it better
toxic steppe
Like Piccolo having Nail in his head
hasty kernel
The characters were also better
toxic steppe
That's genius
hasty kernel
Yeah
faint panther
TFS's Father-Son Kamehameha is the best ending any form of Dragon Ball has had, change my mind.
odd grove
Y'all are sleeping on the anime of the season
hasty kernel
Or Goku being irresponsible and mostly clueless
odd grove
Iruma kun
toxic steppe
And their version of the SSJ2 Teen Gohan vs Perfect Cell fight was honestly better than the original.
hasty kernel
But incredibly competent when it comes to fighting
toxic steppe
And that moment is the highlight of the series for me.
odd grove
I kid you not, it's really a good watch
hasty kernel
And also genuinely caring
toxic steppe
It sucks Gohan didn't become the main character like he was intended to.
hasty kernel
Or hell, Piccolo as a whole
faint panther
"You peaked."
hasty kernel
Piccolo is just great in DBZA
tranquil cloud
I went through a massive dbz phase in high school but haven’t watched it since
odd grove
Everyone did
hasty kernel
Also I wish Naruto stayed more like it was at the start
odd grove
That's fin
tranquil cloud
I have an embarrassing sketchbook full of dbz-esque drawings
hasty kernel
Like, Naruto up until the Gaara fight was actually good
faint panther
Both Naruto and Bleach went downhill when they started turning into Dragon Ball Z.
odd grove
But can you imagine the world where instead of DBZ we have Jojo's?
odd grove
Think of it
odd grove
They came around pretty close enough
hasty kernel
Mine is probably One Piece, but I cant say that its very good
Just that its got a lot going for it
Its creative
toxic steppe
I don't know how to quantify how good an anime is tbh
I think Naruto is good but it's because of what it did for me
It's hard to step away from that and try to separate it.
toxic steppe
I didn't watch the filler.
odd grove
Haha get rekt m8
faint panther
I enjoyed the crap out of Naruto at times, and there's some really cool moments/fights.
hasty kernel
Though I may be biased because One Piece is a rare case of Ace representation
toxic steppe
There's a website that tells you every single filler episode.
odd grove
Remember that time that one naruto game had a tekken character
faint panther
But I don't think it was that great as a work overall, you know?
tranquil cloud
Not Shonen, but Yuri On Ice has a special place in my heart
odd grove
So tekken is technically canon in the naruto universe
toxic steppe
Oh.
I can answer this!
Boruto means Bolt.
Neji means screw
He was named for his uncle.
Also it rhymes with Naruto.
faint panther
Oh. 
hasty kernel
... wait there was an actual explanation?
odd grove
...It's Bolt in Engrish
toxic steppe
Nope.
faint panther
No.
hasty kernel
But yeah, Luffy being canonically Ace is nice
hasty kernel
Rare to have any ace character in anime
faint panther
ohgodI'msorry
toxic steppe
Naruto is the name of those fish cake rolls in ramen.
hasty kernel
Let alone as a protagonist
toxic steppe
And his last name means spiral.
Hence the insignia.
Shippuden means Hurricane.
Which is a giant spiral.
hasty kernel
But yeah, my problem with Naruto is that it goes the DBZ route of power creep
And the story becomes absurd after a while
toxic steppe
Yeah but it looks cool.
hasty kernel
The choreography also suffers as a result of the power creep, even if there are still good fights here and there
toxic steppe
Haha.
tranquil cloud
Isn’t that like a standard feature of shonen anime?
odd grove
It's a deformation of his father's name
toxic steppe
Like Madara vs the entire United Shinobi Alliance
hasty kernel
Not neccessarily?
odd grove
Isn't that weird?
odd grove
Naming your son like you, but different
hasty kernel
Maka, Black Star and Death all become more powerful as the story progresses
But not to an absurd level
Hell, theyre arguably still weaker than the strongest characters that get established early
faint panther
Gonna make a Trope, The Z Line: When your once-low-key anime starts approaching Dragon Ball Z levels of zipping around and blowing stuff up, you've gone too far.
hasty kernel
Hero Aca is also a good example
faint panther
By the end of the Freeza Saga, we just take everyone at their word that people are getting faster and stronger.
faint panther
And I agree, why just settle for poor writing?
toxic steppe
It's the industry standard.
hasty kernel
Or hell, FMA
That also has power progression that doesnt become absurd
Now, I should note
faint panther
Just because the standard sucks doesn't mean you just keep consuming the work.
toxic steppe
I'm not disagreeing with you.
toxic steppe
It's just nothing you or I can influence.
hasty kernel
Hell, thats technically some fights in One Piece
In particular CP-9
Which is often seen as one of the best arcs
hasty kernel
Water 7
toxic steppe
Pirates
hasty kernel
Long story short
odd grove
Ok for real
hasty kernel
The story escalates from that point
hasty kernel
Anyway, Water 7 is an arc where they come up against the world government and a secret agency called CP-9
Their main gimmick is Rokushiki, a martial art in-universe, that involves flash steps, slash kicks and finger pistols (literally)
hasty kernel
That works
Mainly because its shown as something special
And it has its own sets of weaknesses
Anyway, I wish someone would make a Naruto Expy, except they stay more grounded after the Gaara vs Rock Lee fight
flat prism
I am so 
ing rn
Cale if you're reading this I got a huge chunk of the story done, thanks to Almighty Greg's tips from the Qa
@toxic steppe
upbeat scroll
.
Finally
🧪
Second aid
errant pagoda
stay indoors
or dont
im not your dad
you can spread the black death if u wanna
faint panther
Probably don't though.
flat prism
just replay Pyre for the Nth time
serene tulip
serene tulip
I wish I could scale font size and standalone emoji size separately
flat prism
imagine if we got book releases of supergiant games 
although transistor is the only game that can work in a book version since it doesn't really have story choices, yet the other games do. Pyre has a ton of versions, bastion has spoiler: ||evac or restoration also save or leave zulf|| and i dont know about hades
tranquil cloud
@flat prism choose your own adventure stories
flat prism
in book form?
serene tulip
Someone hasn't read enough goosebumps
serene tulip
its a series of children's horror books
some of which were choose your own adventure novels
serene tulip
Some children like being scared
flat prism
i-
serene tulip
like, scary campfire stories n stuff
serene tulip
but yeah, they took the form of, "If you touch the glowing crystal turn to page 45, if you try to leave go to page 60"
flat prism
eeeeeeeeeh
dunno about that
my co-devs asked me if i was planning to release our currenet project as a novel lmao
and it piqued my interest
some assassin's creed games have been turned into books
tom clancy is also an author
and idk, it would feel very interesting to portray cloudbank through this medium
sudden torrent
I imagine Cloudbank story would be greatly performed by a blog post sort of website of soon to pass away blogger.
flat prism
ooooooh
sounds like a really good fanfic promt
i'd take it up if i wasn't busy with my current proj
serene tulip
but what happens if they don't order the mystery pizza from junction jans?
flat prism
sudden torrent
Whenever I think about games I always sort of wonder how they could be expended lore wise. I always like the picks up in games with lore in them, but I sort at the same time don't like them since at times I feel some small pick ups have too much lore on them to process properly.
But outside of games is where I think real magic starts
Like imagine pyre like stylized book, that surely would be expensive to make, but it definitely would be a fun to experience something from such settings in hand contact.
flat prism
true
book of rites physical release when
@ greg
anyways
when you say "expended lore wise"
autumn pasture
i want a book of rites book so bad..........
flat prism
you mean making up new things from scratch or trying to improve on/expand what's already there
yo stephen
did you check our update 
sudden torrent
Nah like giving the players or consumer sort of context or info on the world and the setting. New things from scratch I feel can be good, but only really if they to touch up and revisit old stuff for something new upcoming in the series.
flat prism
is that a why y or a yes y
wok i'm taking notes since i'm writing a game rn
and lore is going to play a part in the whole thing
i'll ask a small question: how do you think worldbuilding and lore can be given to the player without feeling like info dumps
obviously exposition is out of the question, unless done really well
stephen i'll take that as a yes
autumn pasture
i've always liked the dark souls approach, but maybe that
's just me
chunk up lore in item descriptions and npc conversations
flat prism
i really like the game world itself can tell a story without needing words
small things that make the world feel organic
autumn pasture
mhm
flat prism
stephen
small q
have you done some weird privacy thing on discord because you're not showing on the right bar
autumn pasture
lmao it's called invisible mode
flat prism
ooh ok
been making progress btw, worked out the majority of the ending and the whole team is feeling pretty 
right about now
flat prism
same
yea guess the Greg(tm) spreadsheet approach is making waves across the scriptwriting community
wide ember
after the lockdown there will be so many good quality stuff getting published
serene tulip
Look, all I'm saying is that if you told me that there was a musical with a character named Lazar Wolf I would not think it would be set in russia in 1905
wide ember
I mean, there are even black people in russia, and even back then, so why not
apparently Alexander Pushkin, the famed Russian poet, had in his ancestry a black man who started as a slave but later rose to black Russian nobility: https://cupola.gettysburg.edu/ghj/vol8/iss1/6/
so Lazar Wolf is more than possible?
his family could have came in the aftermath of the great Russian westernisation
tardy anchor
lolololol lazar is like. elazar right
and wolf is a last name... i was here like 'idk it sounds pretty european' and then it clicked LASER WOLF
anyway who is this guy
wide ember
I'm guessing this is about Fiddler on the Roof
come on, it's not proper westernization unless lasers are imported
tardy anchor
lmaoo yeah i cannot think of a more "oh, of course" name for someone to have in that then lazar wolf
toxic steppe
They put up the whole uncut fight.
In the ep it cuts between other stuff happening.
Figured I'd share here since we were discussing it the other day.
Enjoy 13 mins of amazing sequence
hybrid hare
oh hey, fiddler
i hear it's got a few iffy themes about it but it was my intro to theatre and stuff
faint panther
I'd like to see the Aang/Ozai fight cut with just the Agni Kai.
You get a lot of the siege of Ba Sing Se and Toph + the normiesSokka and Suki bringing down the rest of the fleet.
odd grove
Sokka is a chad
tranquil cloud
You... don’t like Sokka?????
velvet fjord
they are normies because they can't bend
don't understand how anyone could dislike sokka
tranquil cloud
Maybe like book 1 ep 1 Sokka who is a bit of a sexist douche, but Suki makes him guzzle that respect women juice pretty early on
toxic steppe
Sokka is amazing.
honest glade
I think y'all are misinterpreting what they were saying.
I'm not sure if you guys were referring to Schpoon or Net.Ray, but neither of them are saying that don't like Sokka.
Calling Sokka a normie isn't an insult... it's just describing what he is. And Net.Ray is giving him a compliment.
winged mesa
if only aang had cut off ozai's tail during the fight he could've unlocked a cool new weapon
honest glade
True.
odd grove
He is a vital tactical asset
Besides i'm 30% sure he's the reason people learned more sciences in the future
honest glade
I wish I could remember the video essay title, but I remember watching someone on Youtube once do an exhaustive breakdown of why Sokka is honestly the most impressive member of the cast. He gets as much development as Aang as a character, and is one of the most intelligent and observant characters in the show.
odd grove
He beats magic dudes with a damn boomerang on a regular basis
honest glade
Like, for example... I'm pretty sure Sokka is the first member of the main cast who manages to out-manuever Azula in a direct confrontation.
He's amazing.
odd grove
Is there a meme of Sokka drawn as that "Yes" chad guy
tranquil cloud
I guess it’s the “chad” thing I thought was an insult.
honest glade
You need to spruce up on your meme-fu.
odd grove
@tranquil cloud Shall i show you a meme example of the Chad?
odd grove
...That's exactly what it is
It's this very powerful dude who has a lot of self confidence and can do anything he commits to
faint panther
Sokka is amazing, I'm just being cheeky.
odd grove
Imagine making a princess fall in love with you after 2 days