So when you see those blank medals, you jump right back into that level
#off-topic-discussion
restive holly
I never played Hollow Knight, but have always wanted to. It looks fun
odd grove
Personally it's enjoyable
But my advice is, try to finish entering new areas and use map markers at all times
...When you get to buy them
restive holly
xD good to know!
odd grove
In HK is really common to just get lost and wander off
You can find wherever you're supposed to go if you're lucky
restive holly
I'm already directionally challenged, so I'm gonna have a fun time
odd grove
Ya it's painful
Some metroidvanias do that
And worst part is, it's not really something bad, but something that is subjective of wether or not you like it
Personally i like bloodstained, but the first blind playthrough is a pain
Specially since one of the parts requires you to know japanese
restive holly
oh what...well, then. gotta pick up a japanese dictionary now
odd grove
I mean
It's not that really
@restive holly There's a sword you get called Zangetsuto, apparently something like "moon cutter" and you gotta literally cut a moon in half
restive holly
oh! lol i see
fringe sparrow
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/platinumgames/the-wonderful-101-remastered
it started around 1.5h ago
already 475k$
autumn pasture
god damn
i hope someday i kickstart something that gets that kind of response
good lord
autumn pasture
sdgsjf may the 20s treat all of our creative endeavors this well
tardy anchor
🙏 amen
spiral hazel
Hey, wasn't there a straight up 'supergiant' channel a few seconds ago?
Like... RIght above the Bastion channel?
NVM, something weird just happened.
viscid kestrel
if youre on mobile it does a weird glitchy thing
chilly briar
lol I didn't know that platinum games was based in the umeda sky building, i've been there many times
wide ember
umeda sky building makes me uncomfortable
it looks like some hyper abstract bowl of udon
tropic garden
i went up the escalator across that open circle bit
it was a trip
i kept thinking about what it would feel like if an earthquake hit.......
chilly briar
probably does
I used to go there a lot because the overnight bus terminal there was often what I ended up using if I took them or if friends came to osaka
tropic garden
i wanted to take the night bus from osaka to beppu 😔
it filled up really quickly
i just ended up taking the shinkansen there
kyuushuu is a no-man's land for the shinkansen...the main line ends in fukuoka and you have to get on local express trains
chilly briar
I went there once via bus and a few times via shinkansen, found is less stressful using shinkansen and locals lol
faint panther
Maaaaaaan, I wanna visit Japan.
tropic garden
oh i bet it's way less stressful...but the money, cod
tropic garden
i love the shinkansen tho
chilly briar
was like 20% off I think
tropic garden
between osaka and liiiike just outside kobe it's boring af but once you get into the far curve of the seto naikai like around okayama and hiroshima it's beautiful
chilly briar
It was worth the effort of going to uni with like 3 ID's, getting bits of paper, going to a station, getting signed stuff, getting more signed stuff, then getting discount sheets, then getting the tickets
CoNvEnIeNt
faint panther
Dang.
tropic garden
便利だよ
chilly briar
仕方がない
tropic garden
日本の方は便利だね～
chilly briar
as 便利 as pulling your own teeth with pliars
tropic garden
are you out of ginger? because that sounds pretty しょうがない
chilly briar
the pain of transferring money was probably the worst thing I had to do tbh
tropic garden
goremit babey
chilly briar
a friend offered me work if I want to go back for a year or two, which is tempting tbh
takes like 8 months to get a visa though but would be a good wind down lol
severe tulip
anyone else watching the iowa caucuses?
chilly briar
the what
severe tulip
faint panther
tropic garden
i'm trying very hard Not to watch the iowa caucuses.
i do not, after all, live in iowa.
severe tulip
i live about 5 minutes from iowa
a lot of the time google maps sends me over there instead of down the street in my own city
faint panther
I really need to register to vote on Wednesday.
severe tulip
yep, no time like the present
tropic garden
i was registered once...many years ago. i assume it doesn't lapse or anything but i should. check
severe tulip
and especially make sure youre still registered, as a lot of R groups are trying to "clean up" voter registries
it definitely lapses if you have... certain leadership in your city/state
tropic garden
:^)
severe tulip
:p
tropic garden
I live in alabama, believe me i know lmao
severe tulip
oh man, doug jones is gonna need all the votes he can get
tropic garden
severe tulip
i hope hope hope they try and run roy moore again
tropic garden
hahaha yeah i think his time is short lived
it wouldn't shock me to see roy moore win if he ran lmfao
severe tulip
that would be something
tropic garden
it was a fluke the first time
faint panther
You live in Alabama, they probably purge non-R voter registries every 6 months.
blissful charm
i totally forgot buttgieg was still in the race
severe tulip
not really a fluke, they ran a suspected pedophile lol
faint panther
Technically, Babs.
severe tulip
HIGHLY suspected, if you cant win against that then yikes
tropic garden
alabama is very yikes
faint panther
The USA is very yikes.
severe tulip
pete is leading ATM but i wonder if it lasts
tropic garden
it was close, man
severe tulip
yeah, closer than it should be
tropic garden
i wasn't living here at the time and couldn't vote but i watched it like a hawk
severe tulip
well nows your time
apparently lots of ties in iowa, and a lot of precincts waiting to report because of some craaaappy app
and they can use a coin flip to end a tie, lol
copper lichen
Clearly life imitate art because that is exactly how boons in Hades work
crystal maple
fringe sparrow
🌯 with 🍟
unreal bridge
autumn pasture
ooh this is cool
faint panther
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wide falcon
so mine sweeper
wide ember
that one with different sound...
silver maple
idk if this is intentional but its very funny because one of those says pob and i cant stop thinking about that sound
unattainable pob....
somber ferry
i didn’t even notice pob until now omg
sudden torrent
Funny thing is, I pressed it the first so I was like "what?"
north hamlet
There's always a few disappointing ones in bubble wrap
It's just like the real thing
light crag
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wide falcon
speaking of...
light crag
Also, before someone asks: yes, yes it is
upbeat scroll
huh, i think it was impossible without that hint
but maybe just brainfart
2 ambiguities
light crag
Yeah I think it has a couple places where you have to guess
I didn't bother editing it
Because that's not the point
I'm glad the hint helped though
To quote something from like 10 years ago or so
[01:51:49] <Gregan> I got to say
[01:51:56] <Gregan> If ||loss edits|| aren't art
[01:51:59] <Gregan> Then what is really.
[01:52:33] <Gregan> It's gotten to the point where you can identify something just from the vaguest hint of a shape. Isn't that the definition of leaving an impression?
graceful kettle
tall parrot
Sup guys. I have an idea to create sticker pack for Telegram messenger with all these funny ghosts from Hades and maybe other Supergiant games. Is is legal? Where can I find high-res images of such things?
serene tulip
what should I play?
faint panther
Have you ever played Hollow Knight?
serene tulip
I tried picking up the long dark recently
and yes, but I wasn't good at it
Is there a game where I can curl up next to someone and watch them play videogames?
faint panther
There's Twitch or finding a significant other.
sudden torrent
Yeah I can't think of many games that are great for that.
sudden torrent
Or Youtube. Just look up fable 2 full playthrough and you got source material to watch for weeks or even months.
serene tulip
I'm actually listening to game grumps rn
sudden torrent
Well then I think you got something to focus on for a while.
wide ember
game grumps and let's plays are nice but usually won't give a sense of coziness?
serene tulip
its true
sudden torrent
Can listen to Animal Crossing or Stardew Valley soundtrack I guess? Or you need some commentary to listen to?
I am sorry if I can't help much, I am that kind of guy that falls asleep for a nap while listening to SMM2 VS mode highlights.
serene tulip
I can't even like, actively watch things right now
autumn pasture
you should play mutazione or katana zero
that's my verdict
or hollow knight tbh, second schpoon's suggestion
stray spire
katana zero 👌 👌 👌 👌 👌
royal relic
@light crag that minesweeper got me good ngl
light crag
Glad you liked it Kraja
faint panther
@serene tulip i just played through samorost 3 and heartily recommend it, very chill, not demanding, great visuals and music, short and sweet, sounds like what you'd be into rn
coming from someone who absolutely despises point and click games in general if that's sth that worries you
faint panther
idk i've only played thru sam3 and started machinarium but machi had issues imo
is dvorak the music guy? great work on his part if so
heard chuchel was good, looking forward to whatever their next project is, looks different from the rest
north hamlet
Yeah he's the composer for all their games
He has a bunch of free songs on his bandcamp actually
I'll link in #music
spiral mango
First 11 minutes gameplay of I, Dracula: Genesis,
roguelike shooter coming to Steam soon:
https://youtu.be/TC-Pxb86W20
autumn meadow
tardy ore
Possible epilepsy warning? Good cat meme tho
tranquil bay
@opaque quail ah you found hypnos bot, hello 😳
wide ember
me playing mutazione: wow my gardens look pretty but why does the music suck
I shouldn't mix in plants of sounds that totally does not match the rest but they look pretty?
autumn pasture
sdfhjdfgs see i was too conformist to ever do that
i do want to sometimes...............i'm really tempted by all the water plants
you get an achievement if you grow a 'wrong' garden for the plot i know
wide ember
Rebel Gardener?
I'll try that later
right now the garden mode (the one without any story) is my priority
been getting a lot of cool seeds lately, including the blue fern
story mode makes getting some plants harder, though I managed to get that gorgeous willow for miu's melancholia garden
oh yes baby I just got coastal orchid in garden mode +o+
autumn pasture
yessss i love coastal orchid
hey let's swap garden mode seeds
i kind of put that one down
wide ember
coastal orchid is one of the rare Recorder sounds too
autumn pasture
i love that one........good sound
you know what else i love though? crab tree
and garden mode barely has any water in it
wide ember
I have crab tree seeds but I always plant blackpool lily instead
surf guitar is nice but the lily looks prettier
ok I planted crab tree next to cotton grass but now the sounds are weird
"duh duh duh weeeeirl"
wide ember
yes, so delicate looking
autumn pasture
and they sound so lovely...........which is the one with the trumpet i planted in miu's garden
sobs........that sounds so nice
wide ember
I don't have trumpets in garden mode yet (but I think I have it in story mode)
I'm starting to love the wanderlust set too
though proteus' electric guitar ruins the soft mood...
prisma sparrow
Hi!
tardy ore
Mutazione... sounds interesting
It sounds like some kind of Viridi with plot
and I'm down for that
autumn pasture
yeah! that's a lot like what it's like
slightly more complicated viridi with plot
a really, really good plot
also it's just. a beautiful game? like the visuals and music are [chef kiss]
tardy ore
Worth dunking money at full price, not waiting for obligatory steam sales?
dammit, I didn't know it existed two weeks ago when it WAS on sale.
autumn pasture
worth paying full price money 1000%
honestly if this game were forty dollars i would still say that
really good game
autumn pasture
yeah
infinite stuff in garden mode + about 11 hours of story if like me you're a completionist and talk to everyone and collect everything
autumn pasture
i'd definitely recommend it
somber ferry
@primal mango so cool! you might wanna put this in #self-promotion instead, though
gonna delete it for now, but you're welcome to re-post it there. 
primal mango
Ah my bad, I missed that channel. I'll post it there after I finish shoveling haha
somber ferry
no worries! there's a ton of channels here.
wide ember
shoveling? another north american stuck in the snow tempest today?
though really it's too small and soft to call a tempest
just an impressive quantity of snow that I'll have to bother with in about 2 hours
faint panther
Heck the snowstorm is so big that it's affecting us canadians to an extent
tons of snow today here with low visibility
wide ember
many schools closed for the day too due to the risk from low visibility
yet pizza deliveries still happen all day, wish they didn't have to
faint panther
same here for schools, at the very least the debate was up
wide ember
and the temperature would drop to minus 30 celcius overnight... at least it's going to disinfect everything exposed to it
hope animals and homeless people will survive
wide ember
man I'm craving pizza so much now but I can't be the person who orders a pizza delivery in this weather
wide ember
instead I've been reading Samenai Machi No Kissaten which is a manga set in a town much like the mind town from Hard-boiled wonderland and the end of the world by Haruki Murakami but with all the unnecessary darkness and poisonous light removed and there's only elegant food
vivid ridge
hasty kernel
Im surprised its being released in China before the west
Is it that popular over there?
faint panther
@tardy ore No, seriously, what the hell is this? https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/799640/ss_387be51b4d818affe0d52866b01790e40910e3ac.1920x1080.jpg?t=1571813616
Ditto this and this.
https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/799640/ss_83578583d49741335717f59566d2c47f5611b713.1920x1080.jpg?t=1571813616
https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/799640/ss_7edc0e091ef2bce30cef03775e5ca95589e97e3b.1920x1080.jpg?t=1571813616
tardy ore
@faint panther Oh. Just browsing the store? Well, that... is memes.
Pretty good ones. And a cute ghost girl.
faint panther
I was looking at screenshots.
old aspen
What am I looking at. That banana is creepy af
tardy ore
Autosuggest on keyboard: "girlfriend"
It knows me and my thing for ghosts too well for a thing with no learning dictionary.
The banana is hilarious.
Basically though? You are a zombie. That cute ghost over there is the necromancer slash chef who raised you. And you literally are what you eat.
Hacky slashy cooking themed RPGlite. Also the bane of vegans, because everything you eat has a face, even the grass.
sudden torrent
oh yeah I played that game
is fun and somewhat emotional despite the meme-y aspect of it. I can feel the warm aura of homemade game from somewhere in Asia, since it quite greatly shines with the culture!
tardy ore
Yup, it's... I think Taiwan or HK based
sudden torrent
Although it is barebones gameplay wise, it's still lovely the way it is.
tardy ore
The gameplay... I feel like it's the right amount of complexity to work well.
But contentwise yes, it's not very substantial yet
sudden torrent
Yeah, I especially like the bosses.
sudden torrent
it definitely not content heavy, but yeah it's definitely feeling like a relaxing version of Hollow Knight.
tardy ore
Dungeon Munchies
autumn pasture
[laces on my clown shoes] [puts it on wishlist with everything else]
so many games
sudden torrent
I know the feel, bro.
got like 55 games that I want to buy, if to count out some dlcs.
autumn pasture
i don't even want to check how many are on my wishlist
sudden torrent
I wish there was an easier way to get the new trendie games before it is too late and all people already played it and went onto other games.
autumn pasture
yeah
i feel like 'be caught up with your backlog, play hours of games a week, and stay on top of every current trend' is the answer, but that sounds. hard lmao
tardy ore
@sudden torrent No such thing as too late
Why follow trends?
Play games that are good
sudden torrent
that's what I do! But I meant more like an active community to talk about the game
tardy ore
I play my games years after when they're affordable.
Fandoms stay for good stuff
If it's only popular for a while, it's not that amazing...
autumn pasture
that is true
sudden torrent
Because kind of afterwards it does feel a bit "too late to the party" and kind of loose a grasp of "oh woah I can experience this with other people while it's still fresh out in the wild". Though yeah I get it, hence why I kind of buy my games on sales anyway (Hades being one of them, which I am kind of happy that I did buy in time! I honestly liking the community around it and memes/discussion/content that happen in the meanwhile the tension of secret of what's yet to happen and what's yet to be unrevealed by just playing and waiting for the full release).
sudden torrent
hence why I am hoping to cut up in this spring sale with some games (so then I have place for other games to be put on the wishlist, oh the vicious cycle!)
autumn pasture
sdfhgddfh yes
no escape from games
yeah i have multiple new releases i'm excited about this year
tho you know whenever silksong comes out i'm dropping everything to play that
autumn pasture
MOOD
faint panther
Unless something really shocks me next month, the next game I'm getting is DOOM Eternal.
autumn pasture
valid, i'm not a doom player but that seems reasonable
sudden torrent
And like the dev I patently follow has announced another game that I am now too hyped (thankfully it will be in like early 2021, but still mood)
sudden torrent
Inscryption (yes with y) from Daniel Mullins.
the guy who made The Hex and Pony Island and has some interesting small games for the indie jams on itch.io
sudden torrent
I really liked Pony Island and when I got to hear about The Hex I was happy about it and even more so happy I got a chance to test it and get a free copy of the game for that.
tardy ore
But also I just don't really feel strongly about suspense OR the idea of sharing the experience in a non multiplayer game
autumn pasture
that's valid
tardy ore
And if it is MP as long as my partner or a friend is into it, it's enough
autumn pasture
i do, but different strokes for different folks
sudden torrent
Yeah that's understandable
tardy ore
Yeah I get it
Likewise, understandable. I'm just not much for large scale social... anything.
autumn pasture
i've got a new things thing, but if i'm not already interested i won't buy it
tardy ore
Pony Island is great, btw
autumn pasture
honestly, i'd never played a roguelike before hades, i just bought it because i loved bastion
tardy ore
I like shiny new things. I'm just a little detached from "social" kinda stuff.
autumn pasture
mm, i hear that
sudden torrent
I have been in this big need for roguelikes after playing Binding of Isaac, like that feel of
replayability was strong with this one so it was mostly the same for other games.
Except Rads. Rads feels lacking in content in a sense the way it is set up
oh not Rads
RAD
Was fun, but after doing a successful run I kind of dropped it.
autumn pasture
for me, narrative is the most important thing in a game, and my understanding is most roguelikes lack that
whereas hades mostly (but not completely) scratches that itch for me
sudden torrent
I like narrative stuff
vocal brook
Side effect of listening to a bunch of Neil Cicierega on loop: I now have a Folger's commercial stuck in my head
tardy ore
Hex I haven't played through entirely, gameplaywise I liked Pony Island more so far, but it's got that good sense of meta humor
sudden torrent
Crossing Souls was honestly a surprise to me too, despite being entirely about the feeling of 70, 80 and 90s, it knows when to act normally and punch me in the guts with the emotional stuff.
And I liked The Hex a lot for it's meta, first time playing through it all I felt it as an actual love letter to games (although not entirely all of them, since well you can't make a game where it covers everything and does it all nice and dandy) but it did strike an exact feeling of meta stuff and topics I could relate to.
why did I talk about Crossing Souls just out of nowhere? Because I feel like the game is good and it didn't get enough attention.
tardy ore
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1201280/A_Space_For_The_Unbound__Prologue/ I'm quite interested in this
autumn pasture
after spending time in multiple other developer servers i'm increasingly impressed by how organized and efficiently run and moderated supergiant's discord is.
good work to the mods and of course to caitlin.
serene tulip
its actually because ||[REDACTED]||
serene tulip
wide ember
cute
serene tulip
The people sitting next to me at this American bar in America have very strong opinions on the ethics of leaving the royal family.
wide ember
I'm not sure it's an ethical subject?
tardy ore
Well, people call them "the" royal family even elsewhere, so the weirdness is pretty far back
wide ember
almost everywhere else already switched to a different form of gouvernment I guess
though Hawaii lasted long enough to become a joke in dragonball (which I'm still not sure if it crossed the line twice or it's friendly joke)
north hamlet
i don't remember where i heard it but i believe toriyama named the move after the hawaiian leader because it sounded cool or he thought the dude was cool
wide ember
probably both
tardy ore
Hey guys. I think the Super Bowl should sell tickets for 75 cents... so you can get a quarterback.
faint panther
royal relic
somber ferry
oh my god
wide ember
so, Utena was absolutely great as a story
most people who had been in an abuse cycle or tried to pull a person out of an abuse cycle will probably feel it's very relatable
(still side-eyeing their decision to name their OST "Shoujo Kakumei Utena OST XII Barbara Dwarf Star Child Apocalypse ~ Arsenothelus 'Absolute Revival Light and Orpheus' Absolute Hades Darkness" though)
tardy anchor
what absolutely slammed into me like a truck was [HUGE SPOILERS] ||the arena is akio's room bc like. the argument it made that all harmful status quo is to the direct benefit of predators|| was like. OOOOOOFFFFFF
jhgvhjfhjfhj listen j a seazer just names albums whatever my eyes glaze over and i go hehe funky choir
wide ember
ooof, I actually didn't realize that
tardy anchor
||like the pinnacle of all the ways the duelists abuse anthy is.... so the original and ultimate abuse of anthy can continue without disruption of the social order OUCHH||
wide ember
||I didn't realize all directly benefited Dio's image, I thought the room part meant he was the one with the absolute control hence the "absolute destiny apocalypse birth records baptism records death records" during the ascension||
tardy anchor
aahhhhh that could be a part of it too for sure. its all about control
a GOOD thing in those last eps that also hit me hard was ||anthy can only leave when somebody offers a hand but also offers the opportunity to let her fall without grabbing after her. like she can only feel the inner strength to leave when she knows that someone on the other side will be supportive of her choices without being controlling or judging AAAHHHHHHH||
wide ember
||agency is paramount in leaving abuse cycle after all||
tardy anchor
YEAH!!!! and its something that utena had to realize over the entire show
god theres SUCH a good utena edit i have to show you it shows so much hhh leme find it
wide ember
||by trying to become Anthy, Utena was not allowing Anthy having her agency, choice and control over her own self, thus Utena was on the verge of becoming another abuser despite her intentions "you remind me of Dio when I loved him"||
tardy anchor
||yeah!!! yeah and then she realizes when it counts, apologizes for hurting her and then learns and does better by her and THATS what gives anthy that final push to freedom HHHH ;;;; 😭||
||for all the romance that floats between them over the show i love that when (when and not if i hope!!) anthy and utena meet again, theyll have to get to know each other from scratch p much..............i am a sucker for that||
wide ember
||yeah like, Utena wanted to become a Prince, but all she did was being a Martyr, which was Anthy's role and ended up only forming the "twin moons" with her||
tardy anchor
also this is the edit [AGAIN MAJOR UTENA SPOILERS] ||https://aetheling.tumblr.com/post/99486880036/革命-revolution||
||YEAH...... AND LIKE. pointing out the fact that 'savior' is an inherantly harmful role bc it NEEDS people in need to exist, and will CREATE a victim where there isnt one to stay alive||
wide ember
||oh man, I totally didn't realize that "Revolution" could be read this way until you showed me this||
tardy anchor
RIGHT!!! I LOVE IT
wide ember
||my personal opinion is that "savior" is a title that the saved gives to the one who finished helping them and left, not somebody who manufacturers or sustains a victimhood (at this point we have a predator in guise of savior)||
tardy anchor
OHHH.... i hadnt considered that thats a good point!!!
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||so the prince figure that gave Utena courage was legit one for a long while because the memory of him did boost her self-confidence... until a dependence was starting to form, and then Utena rejected him by punching the floor, graduating from him||
||this kind of instance is a legit savior because they are like a living school that allows you to learn to be strong enough to discard it||
||while the adult Dio is... 100% abuser and predator, he's a school and magical castle and arena that demands your pain and blood and suffering to his benefit, not yours, and won't allow you to leave||
||heck, even if you can leave he'll milk you for all your worth before you leave||
tardy anchor
||AAAHHHH.....GOOD READ TBH I LIKE IT!!! i love the noting that utena's prince was fine as a source of strength until it weakened her its MUCH food for thought
also like. NOT to get too into the specifics of her arc bc its much too heavy to discuss here but im so glad nanami like. realized she has to get the hell out of the path she was getting down or she'd get really badly hurt like. ive seen a lot of meta abt how shes poised to be the next one to leave and break free of ohtori and im like. you go you funky little mean teenager
saionji and touga are waaaaayyyyy sucked in beyond belief, miki could go either way, but after nanami maybe juri's next up?||
ok i have to get goin for a lil bit but GOOD TALKS GOOD TALKS
hasty kernel
Always interesting when you enter a chat and it looks like the CIAs files
This is about Revolutionary girl Utena, right?
tardy anchor
yup! final ep spoilers mostly
hasty kernel
Ive never seen it, but heard a lot of good things about it
hasty kernel
I know, but my backlog has a backlog
tardy anchor
bc utena is linked here i will chime in with huge, huge content warning for abuse of many kinds to say the least and id rather not delve into specif warnings bc its too much for here, but it is a VERY heavy show, do not go in unwarned
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I mean, the sport cars kind of really distract from that though
tardy anchor
idk, the presence of wacky surrealism doesnt take away the presence of its disturbing material imo? but yes, LOTS of cars
autumn pasture
funny, i didn't get to the cars part
but i only got like. two episodes in
kam we should watch utena together some time
also 'my backlog has a backlog'=same
tardy anchor
oh the cars are in the last arc
autumn pasture
ahhh that makes sense as to why i didn't get to them
autumn pasture
is there a new incarnation of rabbit?
wide ember
yes but let me finish cooking
autumn pasture
valid dsjhfghdjsg i wasn't suggesting utena night Right Now
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ok the new rabbit is Kast: https://kast.gg/message-to-rabbit-community.html
don't think my old rabbit account works though
a friday night or weekend night could be good?
(no I didn't think you were suggesting it tonight but I had Kast in my browser history so it would be fastest for me to fetch it)
autumn pasture
ooh okay i will check out this new rabbit
wide ember
watch2gether might be better quality though
yeah watch2gether doesn't require installation and seems to be faster
it's kind of funny that a psychological fantasy like utena was popular to make at its time because many of the creators had to read the german coming of age story Demian as mandatory reading at school and kind of developed a complex for it
wide ember
it wasn't exactly bad, it did broaden their horizon
but the concept of god in that book did go against everything Japanese's concept of god was
hasty kernel
Im just saying that with it being german literature that is mandatory reading
There is a 99.999% chance the literature in question is bad
tardy ore
Lmao
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how much do you hate your own culture like
hasty kernel
I dont hate my culture
wide ember
german romaticism was world famous (though most refuse to read it)
hasty kernel
But the thing is that the good german literature doesnt get read in school
It was influential, sure
But it wasnt good
I had to read a total of, hm
30-ish books over the course of the whole thing?
wide ember
not wrong, sorry for my assumption
hasty kernel
2 were good
Well, rather, 1 was good
One was ok
"The Judge and his Hangman" was good
tardy ore
Confession: I despise reading classic-era bildungsroman stories.
tardy ore
@wide ember what about god/s, I'm curious as to how that might interact with Shinto as a belief system
blissful charm
faust took like 60 pages to get good
hasty kernel
As opposed to english, where mandatory reading we had was largely actually pretty good
Thats a good way of explaining Faust, yeah
tardy ore
Then again, I hate most of these... didactic/allegorical stories, as well as capital R Realism
blissful charm
oh i like kafka
blissful charm
the trial slaps
tardy ore
It's at least not realistic
But only really read Metamorphosis
Demian sounds like a story I would hate reading.
hasty kernel
I read Metamorphosis, and hated every second of it
tardy ore
One of those pretentious sounding ones.
blissful charm
it's a lot better than metamorphosis imo
hasty kernel
See I believe you, but that also isnt much of an accomplishment
tardy ore
In university, I had to read Araby in what, four separate classes.
I loathed that story by the time it hit the second or third.
hasty kernel
Now there are good german books
Neverending Story, Momo, All quiet on the Western Front
But so much of what you read in school is just drab, missing the point of being a book in favour of trying to be clever
blissful charm
oh momo is awesome
hasty kernel
Yeah I love Momo
tardy ore
Neverending Story!
hasty kernel
We actually did a Momo play in school
blissful charm
i read that in German and neverending story in english
hasty kernel
That was pretty fun
wide ember
the school read weren't as much missing the point as sounding like listening to your depressed friend rant on for days until you wonder why they were your friend in the first place
tardy ore
Fantasy is often better... ironically, for a genre about make-believe, it is usually not as pretentious.
Not trying to sound like it's imparting some unshakable world-altering truth
wide ember
good fantasy isn't make-believe though, it's a magic mirror
tardy ore
Being slightly facetious, sorry
wide ember
good fantasy encourages introspection
hasty kernel
I think Fantasy works really well as a framing device because it lets you abstract the world a bit
Complicated becomes simple
tardy ore
Although I personally enjoy stories that are NOT reflective of the real world, but rather dedicated to creating another world and committing to it
hasty kernel
And a good philosophy or a good message does not get lost when simplified
wide ember
meanwhile, why I said school material sounds like depressed friend is because they are often very insistent that truth is ugly
tardy ore
And not simplification either
I like fiction where it's, say, simply not about humans or their experiences.
hasty kernel
See Discworld, which was satire of a lot of real world concepts
tardy ore
The more alien it is, the better
hasty kernel
But through the lens of an absurd fantasy world
tardy anchor
imo the best fictions are not realistically accurate but emotionally accurate
wide ember
fantasy as test run of what our world could be is definitely good on paper, but when people try to apply it...
tardy anchor
i dont care how much the worldbuilding "works" , i care if the feelings resonate
wide ember
it's not the fault of the author but humans tend to remove important bits when appliying
emotionally accurate is a good thing
tardy ore
@wide ember I mean that applies not only to fantasy but to all theory vs praxis.
hasty kernel
A good example again is Discworld, the world is absurd and if you think about it too much doesnt make much sense
But the people are real people
tardy ore
See also, Marxism
hasty kernel
You can believe that someone like that would exist
tardy ore
Discworld is a masterpiece.
hasty kernel
Even the most shining idealist like Carrot
wide ember
I wanted to say Marxism but I didn't, because ouch
Carrot is a rarity nowadays
at best we get Moist
tardy ore
Pratchett was one of those rare authors who could pull off a truly convincing "humanist philosophy" angle in a fantasy novel without being preachy (usually) or pretentious (never).
hasty kernel
Carrot was always a rarity, but thats also part of the point, you dont need to be a Carrot
tardy ore
Also, I mean
hasty kernel
Its enough to be a Vimes
tardy ore
All ideologies in practice
Because large groups of people don't all stick to plans the same way.
Capitalism cough cough
I'm more of a Vimes myself.
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I wish I could be Vimes
tardy ore
@tardy anchor Personally, I lean more toward worldbuilding.
But...
Emotional detachment lul
hasty kernel
I like worldbuilding because its fun
tardy ore
So that's naturally what I gravitate to
hasty kernel
But a pretty world with empty people still feels empty
Shame dialogue is so hard to write
tardy ore
I do like emotional depth in stories, but I hugely prioritize a coherent world and mechanics
Again: I am a huge fan of secondary worlds
Things, places, people that are as Other as possible while being believable
hasty kernel
Huh, are you german by any chance?
tardy ore
So I enjoy stories from the perspectives of nonhumans, that try to convey an experience that isn't familiar without making it yet another metaphor for humanity (ugh)...
No
Philippines, Chinese but can't speak it
hasty kernel
Ah
tardy ore
Anyway. Worldbuilding wise. Brandon Sanderson is the king in the modern era
hasty kernel
God I havent really read any proper book in so long
tardy anchor
oooh i read some of his books a while ago, i really liked them
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usually people mention Le Guin when we speak of worldbuilding with very alive people inside
tardy ore
He does succeed partly because he also manages to balance interesting character dynamics
Also, on that note
Sanderson's approach to diverse characters?
It's a LOT like Supergiant's
A lot
tardy anchor
huh, what do you mean by that?
hasty kernel
I should read, but I fear that modern technology has ruined me
tardy anchor
its been tooo long fpr me to remember sanderson's approach lol
hasty kernel
And now I lack the attention span to sit down and read
tardy ore
They just happen. They don't need to be called attention to or paraded around for praise.
People are diverse, it's just a fact that not everyone is from some homogeneous group
It's an interesting part of life that shouldn't be hard to just... do.
tardy anchor
ohhh!
hasty kernel
I did think of writing a book, but I feel like video games are a more interesting medium for storytelling
tardy ore
It's like - Zagreus is bi, but he doesn't exist to be bi, he exists to be Zagreus, who happens to swing either way
Another story I feel captures that idea perfectly: Gunnerkrigg Court
Possibly one of the best traditional webcomics ever
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Gunnerkrigg Court is good in that aspect but the Coyote wanting to experience death arc was stale for me
tardy ore
It's got both fantastic worldbuilding and fantastic character dynamics.
I haven't gotten to that part though
I got up to some time after one of the robot ones.
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the robot ones are still very good
tardy ore
Dunno how it's been lately, but the older content is easily top tier writing-wise
And the world is just... so good
wide ember
I can wholehearty agree to that
tardy ore
I like Siddell's perspective on nonhuman characters and mentality
The residents of the Forest just have a fundamentally different perspective, the robots are unique and always a pleasure...
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the fairies too
I'm not sure if I should count them as forest folk or court folk because so many came to the court
tardy ore
The fairies especially are interesting
Really a good exploration of how morality (and mortality) are relative concepts and all that
Speaking of.
Death is my favorite Discworld character by far
hasty kernel
For me its a 4-way tie between Death, Vimes, Granny Weatherwax and Vetinari
tardy ore
Oh damn. You raise a good point.
Death>Watch>Witches books in order of favorites but they're all very close and all are great
wide ember
it's Vetinari and Moist for me, though the ancient postman golem will always have a special spot in my heart
hasty kernel
Moist is also very good
tardy ore
Unrelated, but anyone into webtoons
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I used to collect stamps so for me the Post Office books are my favs
hasty kernel
Of those 4 Id say Death is the most humerous and the most sage, Weatherwax the wisest and most reasonable, Vimes the most human and Vetinari the most "perfect"
wide ember
yeah there was a really good korean webtoon
Vetinari seems like a... what was the term
tardy ore
Which one?
wide ember
you know the kind of gay who is otherwise functional until a specific scenario happens and the being gay part overrides all and they just freeze in place
tardy ore
Also, Vetinari is... well, pragmatism incarnate
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Vetinari is not exactly gay but he gives off that vibe
slim bobcat
disaster gay
tardy ore
"The most important thing for a ruler is to be necessary"
He is inevitable, in the exact way Thanos wasn't
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useless lesbian was the term
but he wasn't lesbian
point is, he's like the male version of Queenly Mask
hasty kernel
Pragmatic is a good way of describing Vetinari, yes
tardy ore
He is the Man and he has the Vote, lmao
hasty kernel
But also meticulous to a fault
wide ember
perfectly perfect until he could take off his mask
tardy ore
Always loved the little jokes
wide ember
which is unfortunately almost never on-screen
tardy ore
On another note: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is good
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(in-text?)
tardy ore
Always loved the sandwich maker bit
hasty kernel
Everything is planned, and every plan has multiple plans within it
Anyway I should go to sleep because its late
Even if talking about good books is enjoyable
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good night
hasty kernel
Good night to yall
tardy ore
Cursed Princess Club on Line Webtoon
A charming and funny story about "unconventional" (read: not traditionally beautiful, or literally cursed) princesses and self-love
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Estancia (http://webtoon.daum.net/webtoon/view/estancia) was my favourite korean webtoon for a while
as for webcomic, the rice boy comics, especially the new Vattu series, are pretty good
tardy ore
The main character here is an "ugly" princess with a creepy witchy aesthetic (she gets cobwebs and possums instead of birds surrounding her), who has to work through some self-esteem issues... but her family is loving and supportive and it's just wholesome.
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and same for Kill Six Billion Demons
tardy ore
Also, she reminds me of what a humanized Dusa would look like
She's just as cute and all-around sweet.
tardy ore
No, she just looks odd. She isn't magical, as far as anyone knows.
But she's adorable. A great baker and a kind person.
wide ember
venom doesn't require magic though
wide falcon
Cool
tardy ore
Also, technically it would require magic for humans to be venomous
wide ember
the magic one was the Mekakucity Actors
I'm pretty sure gene manipulation can make human venomous too
wide ember
Galaxy Riders: Cake and Kamikaze was pretty girly but had sci-fi like surgery so worth a shot
tardy ore
It's nothing explicit
But also on the subject
Imagine Meg and Zag having this conversation
I mean, she probably bites
wide ember
the art style is still too girly for me though, do you have something with women in their 30s-50s and is drawn in black and grey ink
I have been digging through random manga to find hidden gems last few nights and now I don't want to see artistic representation of young girls for at least a month
(I did end up finding Samenai Machi No Kissaten this way but oof)
tardy ore
I don't really grok things like "girly"...
Gender stuff is kind of a blank for me, can't help there
wide ember
I used that term for age pool though?
tardy ore
Oh. I don't register that much either while reading
Not really very attentive to age groups either
Just a me thing.
What you want doesn't sound common on webtoon either
Or like. Anything I'm familiar with in comics
stray spire
man i feel you its so hard to find media with like cool older women
especially anime and manga
wide ember
right? it's a forgotten audience/representation pool
sure they exist but kind of rare
there's middle aged man with a 5 o'clock shadow everywhere
or little girl who hadn't hit puberty
stray spire
thats part of why i enjoyed black lagoon i liked the gun nun
but i haven't seen/read it in forever
wide ember
but middle aged women or non-binary character would catch my interest right nwo
oh yes
stray spire
she's old though not middle aged i guess lol
wide ember
black lagoon was pretty good
stray spire
idk a lot of nonbinary characters unfortunately
vocal brook
Yeah :/
stray spire
inukashi from no.6 is one of my favorites, thankfully they live and are pretty cool
wide ember
at least older women have higher chance of survival, like the self proclaimed house wife from fullmetal alchemist
stray spire
kinda biased tho cuz i love no.6 😔
wide ember
no.6 was awesome
stray spire
other than that i can't think of many off the top of my head
wide ember
obviously we need to write/draw them now
wide ember
I don't know how straight cis people work so all my characters are not that
stray spire
i feel u
most of my ocs are guys though because i'm gay and i like to look at them 😢
wide ember
I feel like ranting on this because in manga and anime there is often this huge gay = feminine thing
which annoys me to no end
vary the bodytypes please
tardy ore
@wide ember straight cis people are... people? idk that's just how I always thought of it
I'm neither of those things but I honestly just pick these things as I go along when writing
wide ember
but people and people are different
tardy ore
???
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different individuals do not have same perspective
one man who think it's very okay to sleep shirtless with a woman platonically as friends but another may become scandalized by the very idea
one man may think it's okay to kiss another man as friend but another might hate it
tardy ore
That's individual, key word...
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the individuals did not grow their perceptions from a void though
tardy ore
It's not something that's really covered by some general label like straight or gay
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there is a culture from which they are grown and cultivated
I don't care about the labels, and in my works I don't use the terms as we use to label ourselves or others when it comes to that
but I care very much about the culture
tardy ore
Which is a complex thing with many factors...
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I will not go "this is complex so I'll ignore and pretend it doesn't exist"
I will try to understand it, get it?
tardy ore
No one said that?
Please don't read negative interpretations into things like that, thanks
Point is that "straight cis people" aren't aliens, there's no such thing as some sort of universal Straight Culture that's completely foreign if you aren't
Like, I'm about as binary as Master Chaos (very very not) but I can write male and female characters if I want to.
wide ember
I think you didn't get what I mean at all, so I'll put it this way: I do not understand millionaires
I do not understand millionaires, how they think, how they see things and people, how they decide to live their lives
because I've never been a millionaire
millionaires don't have one culture either
but I've seen them, stepped in dwellings that cost over a million, listened to them talk, saw the way they live
and while I understand that they are people, I understand that they live a very different life with a very different view from mine
arctic basalt
i think i see what you're saying sol, it's just very far removed from your lived experience?
wide ember
thank you, that is what I mean
and I want somebody to come forth and share their lived experience if possible
arctic basalt
sure, i get where you're coming from i think!
wide ember
if I may push it a bit further: the past me and the present me are different as well
the past me felt that arizona tea was brisk and sweet, while present time me feels the same drink is overwhelmingly sweet
but I know that difference because they are both mine
when it comes to another human, it's easy to know there is a difference and there is a similarity, it's very difficult sometimes to know what exactly it is, and harder to verbalize
any human can feel lonely, that is almost universal, but the expressions can be so different
imagination alone cannot possibly fill all the gaps
right now, the market for fiction is saturated with voices of young girls before or during puberty, teenages boys and grown man nearing 30 or past, I wish there are more about women in their 30s or 40s, or men in 50s-90s
tardy ore
@wide ember I mean, it's not that "I don't get it at all". I simply have a different perspective. It's kind of uncomfortable being addressed in this way - it has come off so far as having multiple things presumed about my position. Just letting you know.
This isn't meant in a hostile way, just asking for a little more consideration.
Will respond in detail after I eat.
Anyway. I personally believe that through several factors (including observation and analysis, interacting with people whose experiences differ, reading other people's stories, a mix of everything is best) you can write a convincing character that happens to be distanced from your own lived experience.
blissful charm
i think there's a difference between writing a character outside your group (like a straight person writing a gay character), which is fine, versus writing from outside your group as that group (a straight person writing about what it's like to be gay), of which i am not a fan
tardy ore
I personally am so detached from gender and the learned behaviors surrounding it that I genuinely struggle to intuitively understand the concepts, even though I'm well aware of them in an academic sense. But it would drive me absolutely insane writing my dozens of characters as non-binary all the time, so I try to write a mix.
wide ember
thank you babs, that was a point I wish I knew how to verbalize
tardy ore
@blissful charm I don't like that approach at all to begin with. I don't write representatives. I write people.
blissful charm
i don't understand what part of my response you're referring too
tardy ore
The latter
wide ember
"writing from outside your group as that group" is the thing I was trying to avoid
tardy ore
I don't think of it in those terms at all when writing.
My philosophy, that applies to my writing specifically, is that I'm not attempting to represent any experience in a generalized sense
blissful charm
minority groups often have common experiences
all groups, really
there's also like, what culture dictates how various groups should and shouldn't act, bow they're expressed through media
tardy ore
I write an individual's experience as it pertains to themselves and the narrative and the other characters, not in any attempt to present my narrative as a representation of what a group's "shared experience" is supposedly like.
Because I don't wish to claim an authoritative voice on such things.
But then, I write maybe 90% secondary world fiction
blissful charm
but you can't ignore the way culture shapes groups and say you're writing above that, because no one is free from that. and even writing sci fi or not earth stuff, everything has some kind of influence
tardy ore
And personally, as an individual, I have very few of these apparent shared experiences and have minimal sense of collective identity, so I have to write those things via research. Otherwise I'd be banned from writing at all.
wide ember
listening to others is research
tardy ore
As much as possible I try to talk to people whose experiences are different. As long as it's not in bad faith.
I said that above
@blissful charm I didn't say "above" either. No one is claiming any such thing.
People who do write ridiculous, pretentious novels full of high-handed nonsense about universalizing human truth and experience™️
Which is exactly why I loathe most such novels
See prior conversation about mandatory school reading.
blissful charm
yes and that's fine but my point is if you want to write about a group other than your own, that's fine. research, consult people, etc, that's good. but if you're writing about what it's like to be in a different group, that's really hard to do because there are these intricacies that can't really be fully understood by someone outside the group. which im not saying you're doing necessarily, but this is a distinction im making wrt writing about groups outside your own and when it works and when it doesn't
tardy ore
Like I said, I don't do those stories!
I write characters who are different from myself as POV characters, but I do NOT present their experiences as representative of "what it's like to be demographic x"
If I didn't approach things that way I would have a very narrow pool of protagonists indeed - basically myself - and that sounds horrifically egotistical.
As I said - I don't have much of "a group" to identify with. Trust me, I've checked, and I don't share a lot of the experiences that are supposedly common to my demographics. But I'm not about to commit to solipsism or stop writing.
north hamlet
i feel like you're all disagreeing without actually disagreeing
also i appreciate how much thought you're all putting into being respectful to the experiences of others
wide ember
we do all agree on that fiction is better with diversity, we just differ in methodology
I'll resume my utenaposting now
the german coming of age demian was quoted in utena, specifically the part about the shell of the world
||fitting when the coffin metaphor popped up eventually||
it's a microcosm where day to day things are different, but the status quo is always there, so essentially things do not change, they just rotate into a coffin like the spiral staircase
kind of like Transistor's Cloudbank but much more painful and there's plenty of actual malice on top of the harmful acts and ignorance
so to break out was important, but Demian had at least 3 main symbolisms: the bird that needs to break the shell, ||the god that was created by mankind and must be defeated in order to receive blessing, and the figure of cain||
||god that was created and must be defeated seems to be Dio but where is Cain? both Akio/Dio and Anthy have a marking on their head, but that's not where Cain symbolism is is there?||
tardy ore
I have watched neither JoJo nor Utena, and yet years of memes have conditioned my brain to recognize Dio as Dio Brando.
tardy ore
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/500/248/50d.gif You were expecting Dio... but it was me, Dio!
sudden torrent
I was haunted by JoJo memes and references so that I could finally escape them I just watched the whole series (anime, I am keeping myself away from manga, since it's not as much well talked about) and afterwards I get it all now I have benefit of sorts. Though I must say. Series in aspect of seriousness is not as strong as say comedic. that's possibly the most that I could enjoy. give it 7.7/10 for series 5/10 for fans obsession with it.
tardy ore
...-2.7 just for the fandom?
sudden torrent
I mean I get the thing with liking something, but yeah due to it's size I sadly can't escape the bad apples of the fandom, but can understand their love for it, just that it can get uh yeah BIZZARE.
wide ember
I would have liked homestuck a lot more if not for the fandom too
by the time I learned of JoJo's existence I have learned and avoided most of the fandom
though from afar, it seems pretty fun, all those people with their own inside jokes
tardy ore
The secret to enjoying media fully is to separate the fandom entirely from your perception of it. Galaxy Brain
wide ember
I wouldn't have enjoyed Tiger and Bunny without the fandom though
tardy ore
Or at least, just ignore the parts you don't like.
wide ember
the show itself was decent, but the fandom was what really made T&B shine
tardy ore
Don't interact with what you don't enjoy. If you like participating in a fandom, do that and enjoy it to the fullest, but keep it mentally separate from the quality of the show. At least, that's how I think of it and it may not work for everyone.
(It's not really seriously a prescription, it's just how I live.)
sudden torrent
yeah I do my best to avoid the bad parts of fandoms, but sadly as moderator on another server I do have to face it and what I learnt that people who play roblox tend to break the simple rules, minecrafters are just nasty in game and uh lego star wars pfp people are another tale.
tardy ore
Well, yeah, if you're in a position where you have to actively regulate people's behavior, that's an occupational hazard.
But as a fan, consume what you enjoy, and don't consume what you don't enjoy.
Personally, to a large extent, the same goes for content creators. I may not like JonTron as a person, but I had a laugh at the Flex Seal videos. I don't like Neil Cicierega either, I've found him to be kind of a prat about certain things, but Lemon Demon's still an important part of my childhood. The memes part.
wide ember
the fandom behaviours are often not from a void, sometimes the fiction or its author encourages certain behaviours
tardy ore
But also often just because people gonna people.
wide ember
I don't think minecraft was encouraging or disencouraging any, but some content do encourage harmful thinking or behaviour
it's pretty important to be conscious of such things
it's very reductionist to say people are gonna people or people are people
wide ember
I'm not sure what you are arguing against
tardy ore
If the content does it, then enjoy it critically, without internalizing the harmful patterns. If the creator does it, screw 'em.
I'm not?
I was just stating a thing that is sometimes true
I took your response to be the same thing: stating a thing that is sometimes but not always true
wide ember
so what was the point of your replies?
tardy ore
To present the rest of the situation that was not stated?
wide ember
look, I'm going to sleep, maybe you need to rest too, I can't know that
tardy ore
Look, you've been coming off as abrasive and borderline accusatory consistently for several conversations.
It is the afternoon for me.
I've been trying to be patient.
wide ember
well, I'm off
north hamlet
I know it's not my business but it seems more like the two of you are consistently misunderstanding each other
tardy ore
I believe I'm understanding perfectly fine. I'm extremely sensitive to aggressive tone in writing.
It is my field of expertise at the moment.
north hamlet
With the amount of re-explaining i think is going on i don't believe it's the case
But at the same time there's so much information and opportunity lost in a communication format like this
Not to mention individual differences in style of speaking and writing
Btw are you a linguist or sociologist or something?
tardy ore
Writing, but with quite a lot of experience with literary analysis and criticism, textual analysis, a side of sociology.
north hamlet
That's pretty cool
tardy ore
Naturally, I've studied quite a bit about tone in writing.
north hamlet
I have a casual interest in stuff relating to the mind, but I've never really gotten into writing as a field of study
I think I'm more of a sound and picture person
tardy ore
I'm aphantasic. I don't get mental images.
Only words and concepts.
But I've always been hyperaware of certain emotion and intent cues in writing, which compensates for my near-total deficiency in reading body language.
Or spoken tone.
north hamlet
i'm not terribly good with spoken tone either
which is interesting when i can pick out different vowels and consonants fine
as well as having decent pitch and background exposure to tonal language
i also had this strange experience when i realised i'd gone from not being able to recognise timing affecting speech at all to completely getting it over the span of a few years
tardy ore
My being basically tone-deaf is why I can't learn Chinese regardless of how much my parents want me to.
autumn pasture
man i really hope this game reaches all of its stretch goals 
it looks like such a cool project
wide ember
more gay gardening? 👀
wide ember
exploration without extermination will hopefully become a genre/norm in near future
autumn pasture
yes
i'd love more games like botw, too
botw's world and atmosphere was really something else
wide ember
I still haven’t tried it, I better do
Heard that there’s cooking mini game and friendly dogs
autumn pasture
yessss the cooking minigame is so fun
also lets me live out my fantasy of owning a house in one sidequest
wide ember
owning a house? 👀
autumn pasture
it's a nice survival/physics simulator with puzzle dungeons and combat
yeah in one of the villages you can buy a house
and keep some of your stuff in it/there's a hearth for cooking there
wide ember
Ok this game is in my high priority backlog now
wide ember
I saw someone play it when it came out but since we couldn’t figure out how to pet the dog I didn’t think it was that good
presence of cooking and house ownership tho
autumn pasture
not being able to pet dogs is its only flaw
wide ember
“I want to own a real life terrace-balcony-sunroom how do I get the half million dollar for it” is my driving fuel for wanting $20 cozy gardening game right now
autumn pasture
yeah...........whereas $20 for a video game
hasty kernel
Exploration without Extermination, do you mean Outer Wilds?
wide ember
it’s there somewhere in my to-buy backlog
hasty kernel
You should play it, its very good
Unfortunately there is no game like it, so Ive not been able to capture that feeling again
wide ember
make one
autumn pasture
☝️
hasty kernel
I mean the funny thing is I kinda thought about it
Buuuut the "list of games I want to make" is too long as is
And there is a similiar concept for a JRPG that focuses on exploration I wanna do at some point
wide ember
fuse them together
autumn pasture
fusing projects together is fun
wide ember
pull a cloud atlas
make them very different stories of different genre linked by the reincarnation of the same soul
hasty kernel
The thing is I cant fuse a JRPG, a game genre that explicitely focuses on grinding out enemies, with the non-combat exploration slant of Outer Wilds
I can have a JRPG that has non-combat exploration in-between, but thats part of the idea
And personally I think having too many styles of gameplay in the same game can be clashing
Or as ProZD puts it
wide ember
I think most people hate grinding so
hasty kernel
It depends on the framing
I hate grinding when its a gate you cant overcome that makes you go out of your way to grind up enemies
But a well-designed JRPG is designed in a way that simply doing the combat encounters you, well, encounter along the way is sufficient to progress
Youre still grinding, but youre not going out of your way for it, its just what you do as you progress
wide ember
And there’s devil survivor where if you fuse smart you almost don’t need to grind
Innana with almost capped magic stat...
hasty kernel
Oh yeah I still need to finish Devil Survivor
Gotta dig up my 3DS and the charge cable
autumn pasture
aw, i still think well-fused multiple gameplay styles can be fun
hasty kernel
Absolutely
But its a tricky balance
One example I really liked was the Asterix and Obelix XXL series, in particular 1
Normally its a kind of Action RPG, and most of the game is played that way
autumn pasture
asterix and obelix have video games?? oh man
hasty kernel
But it also had slide sections where you simply slid down a slope trying to collect legionnaire helmets and avoiding obstacles
And various platforming sections
Oh they have a bunch of them
autumn pasture
damn
hasty kernel
Theyre of course very dated visually now
autumn pasture
mm, naturally
hasty kernel
And sound-wise too
But I really enjoyed them a lot
1 is unfortunately not on steam, but 2 is
2 was particularly hilarious because its full of video game references
For example this guy
He is called "Larry Craft"
Or this recurring enemy
If its ever on sale on steam, I recommend it wholeheartedly
upbeat scroll
that looks like a screenshot from second life
hasty kernel
Anyway Im also running out of Action JRPGs to play
tender cobalt
Have you tried Valkyria Chronicles?
wide ember
play raidou kuzunoha series
hasty kernel
Im not sure I would consider it an Action JRPG but as a matter of fact I have bought 4 and emulated 2
Im just kinda debating whether I should play 1 first (which Id have to buy since I dont have it) before playing 4, or not
wide ember
you do perform attacks in live time
though it isn't a real action jrpg
a real one would be like nier
hasty kernel
I was thinking more Ys, but yes
Id play Nier but I cant run it on my PC
I guess I could just get it for PS4
But yeah, Id call it more of a turn based strategy game with real time elements
wide ember
even on PS4 Pro Nier Automata can scream
as in, the disk just makes a very loud sound as you play
and careful that there is a blocker type bug when you fight Eve
hasty kernel
Well Im using Remote Play so that shouldnt be an issue
wide ember
hopefully, though the Eve bug will still be there
wide ember
mutazione is really giving me the satisfaction that I had when collecting trading cards or pokemon but without the "buy the other game to get full pokedex" part
autumn pasture
i wish there were an achievement/way of knowing when you'd gotten all the seeds in garden mode
strange terrace
@loud heart risk of rain (and its sequel) are both multiplayer roguelikes (just putting it here since it's offtopic)
loud heart
@strange terrace yeah that would be the closest to a real multiplier rogue lite i guess
Im waiting for spelunky 2 too
faint panther
Yo, Spanky 2 is happening!?
loud heart
Sometimes this year
wide ember
too many games for one man's lifetime nowadays
tardy ore
just clone yourself 4head
sudden torrent
They are so many games out in the wild
When will someone make a game about managing buying games
And managing time to play them
tardy ore
steam sale simulator
wide ember
beside steam, itch.io has tons of interesting indie games too
managing time to play them is a point, because at this point I wonder if I'm a gamer or a novice game hoarder
sudden torrent
I stay away from itch.io tbh for my own good. Regional pricing is one and another I don't want to see games that I will possibly never ever finish since they are just beta versions. 
tardy ore
image: a dragon made of glittering lines of code sits atop a hoard of game launch icons.
wide ember
there's also gamejolt
tardy ore
oh no
wide ember
many games on gamejolt are not just full game length, but also free
sudden torrent
I knooow.
wide ember
there used to be new grounds and kongregate too though they were flash games that were theorically less time consuming to finish
until kongregate introduced the "play games to win collectible cards" and it became a time sink
tardy ore
bleh, yeah
sudden torrent
Newgrounds still up, just that suppose it got different a bit slight.
wide ember
newgrounds at one point was overflown with novice games because schools were suggesting using it to host their homework games
tardy ore
F
wide ember
which made finding decent games a bit harder, so I left
since at the time kongregate and steam were becoming better at promoting better games
still, to find really surreal games, the place to be is still itch.io, gamejolt or the expanse of the internet
OFF was a very interesting game, as well as Middens
you have a talking gun, and if you shoot people with the gun, they also grow a gun, and in turn they can shoot others and others will also grow a gun
the gun is a vicious parasite
vagrant sun
is anyone here a Dark Souls 1 fanatic?
loud heart
Not fanatic but yeah
autumn pasture
i've watched it with my brother! great game
haven't played it myself yet because the camera controls make me motion sick
vagrant sun
just wondering where someone that's hardly ever played DS1 should start
I watched various speedruns of Souls games over the years but only played the original DS1 for about an hour, not really understanding anything
finally caved in and bought DS1R, and now I'm stumped on character creation cuz I don't know what stats do, what starting items do, etc.
I do know that I wanna play magic
autumn pasture
uhhhhhhh i can refer you to my brother, maybe? he does live a timezone over from me so it'll be a while before he's awake
we played a sorcerer on our playthrough, yeah
i feel like ds1 is one of those games that you have to look up guides for
vagrant sun
I was just hoping there's some universal guide for noobs that you could look up
vagrant sun
not exactly what I was looking for but thanks. I looked up the starting items in the wiki, so covered on that front. Now I'm wondering where I could look for an optimal stat distribution guide.
also, it seems there's no way to reset your stats in DS1?
autumn pasture
no, there isn't
i think if you looked up for example 'ds1 sorcerer leveling guide'? or whatever class you were interested in starting out as
vagrant sun
I'll see to it. Thanks!
autumn pasture
no problem! dark souls is a great game, hope you find what you need
sudden torrent
uuuh
something something
don't do dex builds
or whatever these memes I have been witnessing before my eyes.
ionic viper
https://twitter.com/dustyexner/status/1226959481243746306 help i'm being called out
Twitter
hasty kernel
Wait, is it actually possible I have ADHD
ionic viper
it's possible! there's a lot more possible symptoms for adhd than the stereotypical "young boy who will not sit still in class" you see in most media
autumn pasture
oh hell i'm being called out too
tardy ore
hot take: ADHD is Attention Deficit High Definition