#off-topic-discussion

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hasty kernel
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Makes contesting baron or dragon too safe

analog spear
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But full team portals combined with circle of protection made you feel like a swat team

hasty kernel
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Fair but its probably broken outside of HOTS

analog spear
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oh it was a bit broken in hots as well

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At least outside of the us

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IMO the biggest thing hots has going for it is the 20 min matches

hasty kernel
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I liked the talent system and the fact that there was no randomness

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Ironically it was both a more casual, but also more competitive game

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Since you cant have random nonsense deciding games

analog spear
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I like the team play aspect of it, because of the slower kill times and abundance of good defensive tools, fights are generally a bit longer and more interesting

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Also the game is still going, got a new original character a while ago

serene tulip
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I thought the heroes were more creative than average but otherwise I like DotA bettet

analog spear
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Still has a comp scene if I remember correctly

hasty kernel
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Yeah, but the news hurt it bad

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The new character looked cool though

analog spear
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For me it was simply the fact that I’m not often able to budget time for a game that might take upwards of an hour

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If anybody would ever like to try the game let me know

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I have chogall

serene tulip
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Yeah, I haven't been able to play a lot of DotA recently because of the possibility a match goes for 70 minutes.

analog spear
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I never played enough league for it to happen to me but my friend has told horror stories

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Mostly about playing in a toxic lobby of a game you lost 40 min ago

serene tulip
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DotA is actually pretty good at comeback mechanics.

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I know because of how often I throw games

hasty kernel
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Honestly long league games have been rare for a long time

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At this point just reaching 40 minutes is extremely unlikely

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And 35 minutes is already a very long game

analog spear
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Wow that’s actually not that bad

hasty kernel
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Though the longest game I was ever in was 123 minutes

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I think that was 5 years ago

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Long story short, neither team was able to kill the other one, and everyone just pushed out the waves

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We ultimately won somehow

analog spear
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Nice

hasty kernel
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But yeah, league games are pretty fast nowadays

analog spear
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My favorite games are the ones where you keep winning fights by only one person

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I also played a good bit of smite

hasty kernel
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Ah, smite

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Smite was interesting

analog spear
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I liked the 3v3 mode

hasty kernel
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I didnt like most of their champion designs, but some are glorious

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Also, I am still extremely annoyed that they reworked Guan Yu

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He was my favourite god early in the games lifespan

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The new one is fine, but not the same

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Also, I wish LOCO didnt die

analog spear
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Loco?

hasty kernel
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It was a third person MOBA that had some pretty cool ideas

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Land of Chaos Online

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Basically it had 2 defining features

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First, it was 3d, so you had height advantage and the like

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The second was that every character had a total of 10 skills, 4 normal ones and an ultimate

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2 sets of that, I mean

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And you could mix and match

analog spear
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Oh so that was like your pre game build?

hasty kernel
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Basically, yeah

analog spear
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Seems like it could be a bit of a pain to learn, but it’s about as difficult as talents or items so it’s fine

hasty kernel
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Also the bases were quite different, with the "nexus" expy fighting back against you

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You had ways to spend gold to upgrade minions as well

vocal brook
hasty kernel
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Also I think you had 2 weapons you could swap between mid-match

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At least one character did

analog spear
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You ever play paragon?

hasty kernel
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Oh and I forgot another important thing

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You could change heroes mid-match

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Which was a strange and confusing thing honestly, but neat

analog spear
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How did that work with item builds

hasty kernel
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I think you got the items refunded?

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I know thats how it worked with skills

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And no, I never played Paragon

analog spear
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Neither have I and I have no idea what it was like

hasty kernel
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Its shut down, isnt it?

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From what I know, having watched people play it, it was more 3-dimensional than smite

analog spear
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I feel like the issue with mobas is that they’re all so complex and require do much knowledge of the game that people only realistically have time to get into one

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Like if I where to switch to league I would need to learn so many things to get even close to the point where I am with hots

hasty kernel
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Certainly thats true

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Though, it depends what you start with

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Going from league to HotS is probably a lot easier than vice versa

analog spear
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Yea league has how many champions now

hasty kernel
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145 I believe

analog spear
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With reworks happening monthly

hasty kernel
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Oh no, not monthly

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They come and go in seasons

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Currently we have more, its almost bi-monthly

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But more than that, League has more unique mechanics that you dont really get told anywhere

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HotS actually explained most things

analog spear
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I would recommend people just play casual hots honestly, competitive mobas in general tend to become a toxic mess without a team of 5

hasty kernel
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Its honestly not that common for them to be toxic (though it sucks when it happens, and it does happen)

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But yeah, casual HotS is a good recommendation

serene tulip
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worldbuilding idea: a queen has triplets, but which one came out first is mixed up, and the triplets all get along anyways.

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they all demand co-rulership

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so it turns into a triarchy or whatever

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they have children, their children demand co-rulership

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and eventually it just turns into a democracy

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after like, a couple generations

wide ember
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That would be awesome

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Stardust did not have triplets like that but the ending still implies that the many children get along instead of doing the tradition fae thing

upbeat scroll
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it turns into a democracy because everyone in the kingdom is related to that one queen???

serene tulip
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yeah

upbeat scroll
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uhhhh

hasty kernel
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That would take a lot of generations

wide ember
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don’t underestimate marriage

serene tulip
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depends on the size and isolation of the country

upbeat scroll
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you would need a steady flow of immigrants to maintain population and those immigrants would not have rights

wide ember
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blood relation is not required, a family by marriage can become a branch family, this if the queendom is small you get one tree

hasty kernel
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Hm

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Yeah that would work

wide ember
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you don’t always need immigrants that stay isolated, they can just marry in

hasty kernel
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But its still, idk

serene tulip
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Eventually it would get diffuse enough that relations would be assumed

hasty kernel
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7 generations at least?

wide ember
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Less than that

hasty kernel
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Itd have to be a very small kingdom to be less than that

wide ember
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Don’t forget that many family are already mixed before the queen

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So you get ready to integrate bundles

serene tulip
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Cousins start going, "hey, can I get in on that some of that co-rulership?" and they're like, "dude, I'm 1/26, I don't care"

serene tulip
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Blerg

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The makerspace is a bit too crowded today for my liking

supple sleet
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T.T I forgot how much I love playing FFXIV. Got started up again last night with a fresh character. It's so happy.

copper lark
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aww

elfin umbra
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about two months ago i posted a picture of my 2-month old kitty

supple sleet
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❤

elfin umbra
copper lark
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SHES SO CUTE!!

elfin umbra
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she's currently going blair witch mode in a corner of the room waiting for me to go to sleep

tardy anchor
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BELGO....UR KITTY IS GOOD

supple sleet
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lil floof

supple sleet
chilly briar
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chonk

supple sleet
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He is such a chonken floof.

vocal brook
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KITTIE

hexed hollow
vocal brook
upbeat scroll
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BREAKING UNDERTAKE NEWS

chilly briar
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what is undertake

upbeat scroll
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Autocorrect mb

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What I mean is UNDERTALE

chilly briar
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oh right, that makes way more sense lol

serene tulip
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I love how like, the first four notes of megalovania are becoming like the first six notes of the mario theme

chilly briar
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damn it, I packed up a lunchbox of parts and stuff for a microcontroller I'm working on programming then left it at home but am staying at my partners for the next while.... I'm a fool

upbeat scroll
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Sans is a gamer

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You were gonna eat a microcontroller for lunch

north hamlet
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It's an important part of a balanced diet

chilly briar
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yeah they cronchy

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if it helps, it's a scooby doo lunch box

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and it's green

north hamlet
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Very good

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It will taste like childhood too

chilly briar
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scooby dooby don't do chomp the gang please

north hamlet
serene tulip
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@chilly briar dope your own silicon!

copper lark
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ME in da2 when i said something that made fenris angry

serene tulip
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Syd: i'm all edgy and brooding now

chilly briar
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almost, it's a node mcu which expands a ESP8266. Once i'm done developing my dev kit for it (mostly support tooling) i'll design the circuit I need after I prototype it and get it printed

copper lark
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i has to pretend to hate a mage, as a mage One time and it was

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awful

upbeat scroll
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I hate mages irl

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Probably would still hate them if I was one

copper lark
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i

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ok..?

upbeat scroll
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You a mage?

copper lark
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in every game i play lol yeah

upbeat scroll
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😠

copper lark
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i can’t help it, we r the best

upbeat scroll
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No! Mages bad

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Cancelled

copper lark
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why tho

chilly briar
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I tihnk ffxiv was the first mmo I didn't roll mage straight away

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went dragoon

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then started becoming a healer

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then I stopped playing because University took over my life

copper lark
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TwT

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that might be me this year

wide ember
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I also played as mage

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The whole easy to die thing created some resonance

chilly briar
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@copper lark what do you plan to study? o:

copper lark
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ahhh i’m in my last year of secondary school atm but i wanna go into character design

chilly briar
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that's cool as! Do itttt

serene tulip
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I swear to Lemaign that I can't trust DPS to do anything

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We had to run halfway across this dungeon to get one of the chain winches

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because apparently I have to get everything

copper lark
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god it’s like the sunken temple of qarn

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when u don’t pick up the statues and have to run all the way to the beginning to grab it

serene tulip
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also literally one person has remembered that limit break exists in the last 3 runs I've done

copper lark
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yup

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limit break isn’t used much in lower dungeons

serene tulip
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I am a bit confused of the philosophy of the dark knights

serene tulip
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OK

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got 8 levels today

supple sleet
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😮

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gj

ionic viper
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@serene tulip “people in power can abuse that power very easily, and when that happens, someone needs to be able to hold them accountable - via sword, preferably”

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aka: justice for the poor, the downtrodden, those who cannot defend themselves

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i would explain further but the 50-60 quests deal with it some more

supple sleet
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He'd have to watch cutscenes 😛

hasty kernel
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Yeah the funny thing is, the more violent a video game is, the higher the odds that players will try to play it as peacefully as possible

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Like the people who play GTA just to drive in accordance with all laws with their own purchased vehicle

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Or me when playing any stealth game

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The worst cases are those stealth games that make sure to humanize your enemies, giving them casual conversations and even talks about their family lives

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I cant justify playing anything but a non-lethal run in those :S

analog spear
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That last part is me with sniper elite 4

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When you tagged an enemy it gave you information about their lives as well

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Like “best friends with (another enemy)”

hasty kernel
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Yeah

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Im still not sure about that

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On one hand, its a neat addition that makes the world and the characters feel more alive

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On the other hand it also makes the people youre supposed to kill feel like actual people

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And thats just not something I can do

analog spear
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Se is good about letting you sneak past people

hasty kernel
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Thankfully most games like that do let you avoid killing people

analog spear
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I think it’s good for the player to be confronted with the choices they make

copper lark
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[points at undertale]

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it seems to fit with the theme here

analog spear
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Even if it’s uncomfortable

hasty kernel
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I just kinda want more stealth games where the enemies are just a kinda mindless horde

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So I can actually play lethal runs again

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Yeah Undertale does do that

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Even has a morality system which doesnt suck

copper lark
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undertale is a good game

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ill never stop saying that

analog spear
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(Bastion does that)

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Rucks even gets called out for it at one point

hasty kernel
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Im sure it is, I just got spoiled on everything before playing it

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So I never played it

copper lark
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dang :/

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i played it when it came out

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i was only baby but

hasty kernel
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I wasnt big on JRPGs or whatever you call Undertales genre back then

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Crosscode had not come out at that point

copper lark
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undertale isnt japanese lol gfjgdf

hasty kernel
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I know

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But neither is Crosscode

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JRPG has become a genre that isnt neccessarily japanese

analog spear
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It is a jrpg tho

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What uno said

copper lark
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mmmmmmmh ok

hasty kernel
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It refers to the specific style of RPG that originated and prospered in japan

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As opposed to western RPGs like Fallout and Elder Scrolls

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And Ultima

analog spear
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I find it funny that because of how that term evolved there can be an rpg made in Japan that isn’t a jrpg

hasty kernel
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Yup

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DmC is arguably a RPG

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Definitely not a JRPG though

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Wait why did I think of DmC and not like

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Monster Hunter

analog spear
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Monster hunter is a monster hunter game

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It gets its own genre

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Dauntless is also a monster hunter game

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But it’s not a monster hunter

hasty kernel
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I know, but its a genre that kinda fits in the RPG category

analog spear
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It’s a sub genre I guess

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Like looter shooter

hasty kernel
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Yup

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Or the anime fighter in the fighting game genre

analog spear
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I also consider smash-like a fighter sub genre

hasty kernel
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Oh it absolutely is

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I think the popular term is "platform fighter"?

hasty kernel
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I dont like them very much now that I think about it

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Its the fact that you have turn manually

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I keep attacking the wrong side >.>

analog spear
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Yea but it looks awesome when you read someone rolling behind you and hit them with a heavy attack you where charging in the other direction

hasty kernel
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Especially if its a reverse warlock punch

copper lark
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do u ever,, draw something,,, but u cant show it to anyone bc itll spoil stuff for them

hasty kernel
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But yeah, Im just bad at platform fighters

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Which isnt to say Im good at anime fighters but

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I at least can manage the basics

serene tulip
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@copper lark usually my issue is, "Because it will out you to them"

copper lark
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T_T

hasty kernel
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Speaking of which I need to still get BBXTAG

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For Blitztank

serene tulip
velvet fjord
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never got into Isaac or Nuclear Throne
absolutely loved Darkest Dungeon (roguelike status debatable), Enter the Gungeon, and Teleglitch

grave ingot
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I never rly think of those old procedurally generated games as roguelikes tbh! but ofc they are

tardy anchor
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the fact that rogue is a roguelike is v funny to me

sharp grail
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the origin.....

grave ingot
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yeah I never really thought about the name or the origin, whoops

sharp grail
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it’s easy to forget lol

thorn holly
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ohhhhh

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thats why its called roguelike

sharp grail
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hahah see

tardy anchor
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like "oh its in the same genre as rogue" yeah dude it sure is

thorn holly
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ngl this whole time i thought it was called roguelight and was equally as confused

sharp grail
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what was it, that one time

grave ingot
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rogue-lite is a thing tho

sharp grail
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“Is castlevania a metroidvania”

tardy anchor
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roguelite is a branch off of roguelike, i am learning

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YEAH

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ITS....THATS WHAT THE VANIA MEANS...

thorn holly
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wait roguelite is a thing

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and i oop

grave ingot
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yeah it's like, roguelike but you dont have to git gud

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(not really, idk)

sharp grail
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roguelike is the genre name for permadeath+procedural generation, right?

tardy anchor
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which is heavier, a pound of roguelike or a pound of roguelite,

sharp grail
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mhm! Bc it has meta progression

velvet fjord
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roguelites are the ones that keep progression
but since that has become more commonplace the term has started to fall out of usage

tardy anchor
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yeah

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ahhhh i see

sharp grail
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damn gaming terms are like a whole language

tardy anchor
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tbh they are

grave ingot
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the first result for roguelite is "a made up term by devs in an attempt to make the game sounder cooler" smh, people can't resist being snarky

tardy anchor
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ppl say stuff in gameplay n im like.......ok i dont knoq what that means,

thorn holly
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;_;

velvet fjord
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it took me ages to figure out what "soulslike" meant
and even still it seems to boil down to "can you dodge roll, and is it melee"

grave ingot
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do you drop your currency and have to run back to it?

thorn holly
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i've heard another name for that genre but idr it

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soulsborne?

sharp grail
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Knightcore

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Lol yeah it’s soulsborne

grave ingot
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I thought soulsborne was the series?

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From Softwares

thorn holly
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dark souls + bloodborne

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two different games

grave ingot
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although now they gotta smash "Dies Twice" onto the end

thorn holly
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wait are they the same series

sharp grail
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I hate picking up my corpse..... :(

thorn holly
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lol i like that mechanic in hollow knight but thats cuz everythings cute

velvet fjord
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the only real soulsborne game I've played was The Surge

and that's how I found out that I suck badly at soulsbornes

sharp grail
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I’m playing dandara now and due to being bad at video games and also being a hoarder, losing all my currency at difficulty spikes is sad

grave ingot
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Hollow Knight has no business being as cute as it is, and being about bugges

thorn holly
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ikr

grave ingot
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the spiders nest made me itch constantly though

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new challenge, try to jump while not touching the controller?

thorn holly
sharp grail
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Hk is sooo cute

velvet fjord
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I await the day when we stop calling things "turn-based strategies" or "first person shooters" and start calling them "xcomlikes" and "doomlikes"

grave ingot
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I am STOKED for silksong

sharp grail
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bug city bug city

grave ingot
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why not today, Doc?

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i'll sign your petition

velvet fjord
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we march for the gates of the gaming industry

we want less descriptive names! when do we want them? nowlike!

sharp grail
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doomlike is totally a thing but only old doom

thorn holly
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SILKSONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

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sorry

sharp grail
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or like, what’s that game called

grave ingot
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as a kid I couldn't unsee the doom pistol as a tiny empire guy from starwars

tardy anchor
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nowlike? QTElike more like,

sharp grail
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those pixely shooters

velvet fjord
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wolfenstein? quake?

sharp grail
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quake?

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Yeah

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likes

grave ingot
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bring back bunnyhopping

tardy anchor
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from now on when a game is good im calling it a pyrelike

grave ingot
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fun fact, in quake era my mum was in PC gamer magazine as one of the best fps players in the uk

tardy anchor
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Oh NICE

grave ingot
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we played Kingpin tho

sharp grail
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When a game starts strong and turns out to be a massive let down I’m gonna call it life is strange-like

tardy anchor
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AAAAA

hasty kernel
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Gaming terms are wack

grave ingot
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was that the motion capture story one?

hasty kernel
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I also like how there is "soulslike" and "roguelike"

tardy anchor
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heavy narrative surrealist games are kentucky route zero-like, if you can understand them its a kr0lite,

hasty kernel
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But Monster Hunter Clones are just Monster Hunter Clones

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There is no "Monster Hunter-like"

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Even though thats technically a more appropriate description

grave ingot
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oh hecc, the code is cracked

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you're right

thorn holly
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im surprised there isn't one for smash

grave ingot
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although how many MH clones are there?

thorn holly
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smashlike

hasty kernel
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I mean that exists

sharp grail
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even thought there are so many smashlikes

hasty kernel
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But people gravitated towards "Platform Fighter"

thorn holly
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hmm

grave ingot
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smash community won't allow smashlike, they maintain heavily that they are all platform fighters.

hasty kernel
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Just like instead of calling every anime fighter "Guilty Gear-like", its anime fighters

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Including, incidentally, games that arent actually anime

grave ingot
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tekken?

hasty kernel
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Nah Tekken is different

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Not sure what its called

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I was thinking Skullgirls

sharp grail
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I’m gonna start playing exclusively kr0lites

hasty kernel
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And UMvC3

tardy anchor
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there are a lot of games inspired by myst but they usually just say it n not get called mystlikes 🤔

grave ingot
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um did anyone play the animal skullgirls

hasty kernel
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Speaking of which, Phoenix Wright for Smash, and I might be convinced to play Smash

tardy anchor
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alma...good

sharp grail
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starting with.... kr0 now that I actually own it lol....

tardy anchor
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hfjdjfjg ull love it i think

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i rly should replay

hasty kernel
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Hm

sharp grail
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when I finish the bajillion games I’m in the middle of

grave ingot
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omg, phoenix wright in smash. "OBJECTION" and it turns into a debate

hasty kernel
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I mean I guess similiar to UMvC3

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Have the down b be evidence collection

sharp grail
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my adhd be like hmm today I will game. No not this one. No not this one. No not this o

hasty kernel
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And if youve got enough, the objection

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Have B be Gumshoe coming in like "whooooooooooooooooooop" and knocking the enemy over

tardy anchor
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attorney game but without certain elements of pheonix wright........wrightlite

grave ingot
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rats, it gets worse when you buy all the $1 humble bundles from the past 3 years and look at ur steam library >:c

sharp grail
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I’m ashamed to show my “currently playing” category on steam bc it’s Abysmal there’s so many games in there

hasty kernel
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Is avian attorney a wrightlite then

grave ingot
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oh wait u did that too i bet

sharp grail
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lol yes

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wrightlite.....

hasty kernel
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Oh my god

tardy anchor
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hold up isnt later alligator in like two days

hasty kernel
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Dangan Ronpa is a wrightlite

tardy anchor
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IT IS

hasty kernel
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We have cracked the code

sharp grail
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where’s the overlap tho between uh

grave ingot
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alligator?

tardy anchor
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yeah it looks SO GOOD

sharp grail
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Aviary attorney and hatoful boyfriend

grave ingot
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me: googling alligator with curiosity

hasty kernel
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Later Alligator

grave ingot
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it's just alligators, thanks google

sharp grail
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what genre is this

hasty kernel
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Thats the title

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Hm

sharp grail
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Bird

hasty kernel
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Birb

tardy anchor
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birdflight

grave ingot
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I am looking forward to untitled goose game

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so much!!

tardy anchor
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yessss

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gooselike

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genre where ur an animal that causes trouble

sharp grail
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Aviary attorney is actually really good y’all I’ve never played ace attorney but I really enjoyed it

grave ingot
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lemme start developing one and capitalise on this trend

tardy anchor
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GOOD

severe plover
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That’s just my real life

grave ingot
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would it be a goatlike tho, b/c goat simulator

hasty kernel
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Thatd be a goatlike then

grave ingot
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Uno ❤

hasty kernel
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Ninjad

severe plover
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Oof nice

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I’ve seen parts of aviary attorney and it Slapps

grave ingot
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Omg my alligator, this game looks the nicest

hasty kernel
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I kinda dont like the ... artstyle?

grave ingot
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of aviary attorney or later alligator?

hasty kernel
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For Avian Attorney

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Aviary Attorney

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Its stylish

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It just isnt my thing I guess?

grave ingot
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Oof yes it is VERY stylish, but thats gonna be SO much work to do in that style

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I remember watching a video by an artist lamenting his choice to do such intricate linework

tardy anchor
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speakin of stylish games have u seeeeen gorogoa

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its Good Stuff

hasty kernel
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How about a Doom Wrightlike

grave ingot
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oh wow!

hasty kernel
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You could call it

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Devil's Advocate

tardy anchor
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EEEEYY

grave ingot
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OHHH

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Get on kickstarter, phone the developers, secure the IP

hasty kernel
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I have absolutely no ideas beyond the pun name

grave ingot
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thats what the kickstarter is for

hasty kernel
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Which granted is basically half of what makes a wrightlike

grave ingot
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hire an idea person

hasty kernel
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I am usually an idea person

tardy anchor
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it sounds adorable tbqh......demon cort solving evil crimes

hasty kernel
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I just dont know how to combine doom and phoenix wright

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Hm

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Would you go with the "even evil has standards" approach

tardy anchor
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and then you....shoot....the evid.....ah, its danganronpa

hasty kernel
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Or the "you cant do that to demons" approach?

copper lark
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danganronpa doesnt exist

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things are better that way

tardy anchor
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then we can make it

grave ingot
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it's just a fever dream?

tardy anchor
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the gamg invents damganronpa

velvet fjord
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"They are rage. Brutal. Without evidence. But you...you will be worse. Law and order...until they are prosecuted."

hasty kernel
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Syd, did you play DR3?

copper lark
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nah

hasty kernel
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Youve seen nothing yet

copper lark
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the fandom has made me hate it a little so

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im strugglin

hasty kernel
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Yeah it was a uh

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Controversial game

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The funny thing is I remember exactly 2 things about it vividly

copper lark
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i like to believe nothing came out after dr2

grave ingot
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oh was it yucky?

hasty kernel
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The token evil teammate who is the best one of the series (screw Nagito)

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Nah?

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Alright, so the controversy is not a controversy in the sense of "it has offensive characters/comments"

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For one, because the series, being japanese, unfortunately had those before

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Its more about uh

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The funny thing is you cant even try to explain it without getting spoilery

grave ingot
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I'll google for the tea

hasty kernel
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Lets just say that it made specifically people who are fans angry

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Anyway the other thing I remember is a huge plothole in the first chapter

copper lark
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danganronpa is gross in general tho

hasty kernel
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That made me certain that the mastermind is someone completely different

copper lark
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i think i got halfway through the first chapter of dr3 and i just

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:/

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im not into it

hasty kernel
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Thats odd

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The first chapter is before the trouble starts

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Im just kinda sad there wont be any more DanganRonpas

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Especially because of the music

copper lark
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yeah the music is the best part

hasty kernel
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Idk I think the artstyle is

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Its very striking

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Especially for Leon

tardy anchor
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ok i just read the plot of v3 and this rocks

copper lark
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the art is unique

hasty kernel
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Huh, thats a more positive take than Ive usually seen

tardy anchor
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i can see how itd make ppl angry but as s1 who hasnt been attatched to dr since dr1 it seems VERY fun

elfin umbra
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we really are jumping from one cursed franchise to the other in this channel huh

tardy anchor
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hdjdkfkfjc

copper lark
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what else can we jump to

tardy anchor
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"curselikes" new genre

elfin umbra
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CURSELIKES

copper lark
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curselikes.

hasty kernel
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Alright, so ||I didnt mind the whole "its all a show" thing mainly because it doesnt mean that the earlier games didnt exist in their own canon, but the mastermind was rather very weak|| (V3 spoilers)

elfin umbra
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anyway uuuuh danganronpa is very gimmicky

hasty kernel
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But Ill talk about the plot hole that bothers me to this day

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||In the first chapter, during the conclusion with the whole comic thing, the fact that the music masked the murder method was specifically pointed out||

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||Problem is, the murderer had no way to know that the music would be there. It started long after they planned the murder||

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||Which is why I thought the murderer was the mastermind, which honestly wouldve been way more interesting||

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||Since the mastermind played the music and is the only one who couldve known itd be playing. But instead, it just kinda gets ignored||

elfin umbra
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i was way too much into danganronpa in 2016-something

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i watched the anime as well 😔

hasty kernel
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I was into the unholy trinity of Danganronpa, Homestuck and Zero Escape

copper lark
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homestuck

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thats the cursed thing we can jump to now

hasty kernel
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Whats there to talk about tho

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The prologues been out for ages

copper lark
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friendsim

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j u n e e g b e r t

elfin umbra
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why are you like this

copper lark
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im not even into homestuck

hasty kernel
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Shame

copper lark
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im having to absorb it through a friend

hasty kernel
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I mean I guess Im not that into it

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But it was a good webcomic

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At least when I still understood it

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Also Terezi is cute

elfin umbra
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i dont much about zero escape but it looks to be the more... reasonable of the three

hasty kernel
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I mean

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Its kinda like Danganronpa but more murdery

tardy anchor
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tisi MORE mmmmurrrdery???

hasty kernel
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Im pretty sure accross all of the possible timelines, usually every character in the zero escape games dies

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Usually multiple times

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In a variety of gruesome ways

severe plover
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Oh I’ve half wanted to read the homestuck prologue but I read the ending so long ago I’ve kinda forgotten

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Also it’s Long ooooof

hasty kernel
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Yeah its real long

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I thought it was good, but it was pretty controversial

severe plover
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Hm really

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Maybe I’ll check it out idk

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I mean not today I’m busy but Eventually hah

hasty kernel
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Mmh

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There was even a big hullabaloo about whether or not it should be considered canon

copper lark
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haikyuu... the boys.....

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they....... im gonna cry....

hasty kernel
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I have no idea what that is

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Also why does it look like all 4 are from different anime alltogether?

copper lark
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volleyball anime

hasty kernel
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Ah

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But seriously, is it just me or do they look like they are all drawn in different artstyles?

copper lark
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my fav anime... they r just my boys..

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i mean

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i think its good the characters look different

hasty kernel
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I can agree with that

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But if you split them apart

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I wouldve totally imagined its characters from different anime

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Well, minus the clothes

copper lark
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MY BOYS X 2

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AAAA

hasty kernel
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Damn, how can you make a Volleyball anime without any cute guys

copper lark
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😬

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anyway

dusk narwhal
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Homestuck? In my Supergiant Server? It’s more likely than you think.

copper lark
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FJDKSFSD

hasty kernel
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I guess number 11 is kinda cute

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But that hair just doesnt work

copper lark
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i wanna punch him but like

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lowkey

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maybe youd like oikawa lol

hasty kernel
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Those eyes are unnerving

copper lark
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hes just a pretty boy

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good

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thats his whole

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thing

hasty kernel
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He gives off a Nagito vibe and I dont like it

copper lark
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they do have similar personalities

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aside from. nagito's

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insanity

serene tulip
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we live in a society

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bottom text

copper lark
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“we live i

in a society”

serene tulip
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I Can Be Your Angle Or Yuor Devil

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I really wish I could make the peace(victory) sign

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please tell me there's a way I can get that emote

copper lark
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i WISH

hasty kernel
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How can you have the peace sign if you are the warrior of light

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Checkmate

copper lark
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i dun get it

hasty kernel
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Yknow, warrior, as in someone who fights in a war

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The thing antithetical to peace?

analog spear
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Has war in it

copper lark
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oh

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ic

upbeat scroll
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peacier of light

hasty kernel
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I mean it doesnt just have war in it, its where the word comes from

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The funny thing is that soldier, the term we use nowadays for the people who fight in wars comes from the term for a warriors pay back when warrior was the term for that

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Its a wack switcheroo

hexed hollow
wide ember
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I’m going to want a cat if this continues ;-;

hasty kernel
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I guess cats and birbs isnt neccessarily the best mix

wide ember
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what bird is closest to being a cat that I can legally have

upbeat scroll
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Abyssinian catbird

wide ember
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This bird is overdoing their eyeshadow

upbeat scroll
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Several unrelated groups of songbirds are called catbirds because of their wailing calls, which resemble a cat's meowing

wide ember
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yes but I can just teach a parrot to meow

upbeat scroll
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it's easier to get a bird that already meows, no?

wide ember
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that is totally correct but where is the fun in that

upbeat scroll
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a meowing bird is its own reward

wide ember
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plus I can teach a parrot to roll over and show belly like a cat

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(and claw your hand like one)

supple sleet
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😮

upbeat scroll
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have fun with that

hasty kernel
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Im talon you, the clawing part aint a good idea

wide ember
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(I will be trying to get a fruit tree and lure catbirds next year)

upbeat scroll
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are there some in your region?

wide ember
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look the clawing part makes the belly showing all the better

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I think I have catbirds technically in the region, there are some in North America

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Yes in my city too

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They are called moqueur chat

serene tulip
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OK

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I have made it to level 43 before I ran out of Rested

supple sleet
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Tataru is bae.

That is all.

serene tulip
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truth

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The Scions don't deserve her

wide ember
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which is better: reptilian dragon, bird dragon or fish dragon?

serene tulip
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I like the first two

supple sleet
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The second one is foul, the third one seems fishy... definitely reptilian.

faint panther
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Are the Gundam vs games any good?

hasty kernel
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By bird dragon, do you mean a dragon with feathers?

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Because definitely that

copper lark
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tataru best lalafell

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then krile

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then pipin

ionic viper
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no love for papalymo here i see shadepensive

copper lark
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yknow he’s there

serene tulip
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I like Papalymo almost exclusively because Yda

copper lark
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broccoli birb

hasty kernel
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Borbcoli

wide ember
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broccolirb

serene tulip
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Fray is so disappointed in me

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I'm all like, "I'll help you trader" and fray's all SMDH

ionic viper
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🔪 i would die for and kill for fray don't you dare say a negative word about them >:0

buoyant frigate
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Jumino Kart got me like lazyrainbowplz

wide ember
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I think I tried that minigame like three times before giving up

wide ember
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I feel like stardew valley could do with more birds, like adding guineafowl and turkey

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and ducks

copper lark
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ducks r in stardew valley :3

wide ember
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I somehow forgot them, thank you

copper lark
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the cutest...

hexed hollow
wide ember
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I wish I can become rich enough to get a real life pond and breed ducks in there

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(ended up opening stardew valley and playing it)

serene tulip
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My dream house has a natural pool/pond in it

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in its courtyard*

supple sleet
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snerk

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I'd love one of those houses with a central atrium

serene tulip
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So basically I'm thinking mine would be mostly round, in an earth-ship design, so its kinda one long hallway into different rooms

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And each room has windows overlooking the pool courtyard area

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and you can open them, like, the entire house

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like window wall/doors

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and all the windows can fold up to create awnings and open that space up

wide ember
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sigh why aren't we in the idealistic post-scarcity society that we read about when we were 6

serene tulip
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because about 100 individuals figured that they can't win if there aren't losers.

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so they went about making a bunch of losers

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and keeping losers losers

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and extracting as much as possible from the losers

supple sleet
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That sums it up so succinctly it should be taught in school.

serene tulip
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Its a shame that even suggesting these 100 folks pay their fair share is controversial in the US.

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although a lot of them live in Russia and Qatar

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and UAE

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and china

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and Saudi Arabia

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maybe not Qatar

wide ember
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that is very accurate, but I have no financial or political power to change it, so I'll also just continue to the task of designing my dream house that I'll probably not be able to get in real life

serene tulip
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My favorite conspiracy theory is that Vladamir Putin is actually the richest man on earth by far

velvet fjord
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it's sad that the only people capable of pushing back against the rich and powerful are the rich and powerful

hasty kernel
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Hmm

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He has the most assets

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But probably not the most wealth, that would actually be fairly easy to trace

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Not that it matters, dude is a madman and leader of a kleptocracy

serene tulip
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I would back a military coup so hard if they promised to do something about climate change

hasty kernel
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I would not

serene tulip
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"I wanna be a dictator" "no thanks" "I promise to do something about climate change" "OK, sign me up"

hasty kernel
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The last time a military coup kept its promise was probably in ancient greece due to honor culture

serene tulip
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lol

supple sleet
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Technically the US was founded on a military coup.

hasty kernel
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Wasnt it more of a revolt?

supple sleet
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Doesn't that depend on who you ask?

hasty kernel
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I guess

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I just thought it was more of a peoples uprising

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Rather than the military deciding they want to be the leaders

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Then again I have little idea of americas history prior to WW2

serene tulip
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I think that if the leaders of the revolution were formerly in high military positions in the previous leadership its technically a military coup?

north hamlet
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A coup d'etat is any sudden change in leadership i think

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And a revolution is a sudden change in society

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So i guess they're not that far off

hasty kernel
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Apparently a coup is just a form of revolution

north hamlet
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But i wouldn't say that the military was a part of the uprising in the usa

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That was the people making their own army

severe plover
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👀👀👀👀 hi has anyone read on revolution by Hannah Arendt

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I only say that bc it parses what y’all r talking abt in the beginning

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Early American history is. My. Jam.

north hamlet
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I have not

severe plover
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Darn it

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Curse word

velvet fjord
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gosh dangit edward

hasty kernel
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Ive heard of it

severe plover
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I really recommend it it’s dense as heck but it’s really good!!!!

hasty kernel
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But supposedly it kinda mischaracterized the russian revolution

severe plover
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It’s a Hard Read Oh My Word but

hasty kernel
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No idea

severe plover
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Oh I’d bet

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I read it a while ago but it doesn’t focus on Russian rev too much

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Talks mainly abt am rev & French rev

hasty kernel
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Cant imagine it would

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Its not a revolution thats considered important and it was a pretty bad mess

severe plover
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Hehsgdgc yeah she probably mentioned it very briefly then

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That’s rough

hasty kernel
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Oh my parents got out of russia before I was born

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Country has gone to hell multiple times over

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Sucks but what can you do

north hamlet
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The french and american revolutions are more directly linked so a book focused on both together makes sense

severe plover
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Yeah it’s super good!!!!!!!

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Such a good book

supple sleet
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Washington did serve in the military before the Rev war though. As to the rest, everyone is a civilian until they pick up a weapon and decide to be a soldier.

severe plover
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Lmao yeah ok the French and Indian war was a wreck

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Still surprised Washington didn’t die 10 things in that, those were some crazy odds

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I’ll admit french & Indian war isn’t my forte but I adjacently know it

supple sleet
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Which is probably why he took on such near mythological stature and was essentially a shoe-in for first prez.

severe plover
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Oh yeah during the am rev yeah

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During French and Indian he was no one

north hamlet
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He was also absurdly humble, that does help

hasty kernel
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He seems to have been reasonable by the standards of his time

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Cant imagine he would be happy about the current state

severe plover
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John Adams elected him to commander in Chief &c. And whatnot

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Well I doubt they would be at all tbh

supple sleet
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he was a major, wasn't he? Which isn't a general sure, but isn't "No one". But he earned his reputation DURING that war.

severe plover
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Very Jackson-esque shudders

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Oh I meant he had no reputation going into the French & Indian war

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I,,,, I don’t know so much abt washington tbh John Adams is my guy

supple sleet
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Right, yeah.

hasty kernel
#

Anyway, the polish national hymn perfectly encapsulates the slavic feeling about history in the last couple centuries

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It starts with "Poland is not yet lost"

north hamlet
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What does it end with

severe plover
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I ironically have to dip out of this convo bc ive got a history class rn heh

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Also sorry mods for cursing abt Hannah Arendt I just love her ohohooho

north hamlet
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What's the class on?

hasty kernel
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The chorus

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Which is the usual unity thing

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Except with it being unity under the leadership of a historical general

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It has a lot of references to polish history

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But yeah, slavic history is basically an example of "it can get worse"

north hamlet
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Basically all of european history after the commonwealth collapsed can be described as people making a mess in poland

hasty kernel
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Kinda

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On a sidenote, apparently I cant discern american accents

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Exchange students arrived at my university yesterday, and I chatted with a couple of them

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One of them was from Texas, and I wasnt able to notice that

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The other was from brazil, I at least picked up that he is from south america

north hamlet
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I probably wouldn't be able to tell a texan from another american too

hasty kernel
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Yeah but you would be able to tell a texan from a brit I imagine

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I thought she was from somewhere in southern england for a bit

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Also apparently I have a british accent

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Mustve picked that up when watching british telly

north hamlet
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You say telly, so I'd believe that

hasty kernel
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Also it seems students living with their parents is more common worldwide

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They both do, and most people they knew do

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Yay, I dont feel particularly singled out

north hamlet
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It's been increasing over time in most places

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I think it's caused by living or specifically housing expenses going up but i can't quite recall

hasty kernel
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I think it differs from student to student

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Many just live close to universities

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Perhaps because their parents lived close to them and found work there

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For others its the increased expenses, or the lack of certainty when living on your own

wide ember
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when a nano suite is $700 a month, I think living with parents becomes almost mandatory if you are not very well-off

chilly briar
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morning all

wide ember
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though if normal people who are not students can rent nano suites for everyday living, and I have cheaper ones nearby like $500 a month, I'd totally live in one

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morning

chilly briar
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what'd I walk in on

hasty kernel
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Man timezones are wack

chilly briar
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lol when I was studying I spent more time on campus than out of it

north hamlet
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REVOLUTION

hasty kernel
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The usual off-topic conversation

chilly briar
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especially in my last year

hasty kernel
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Going from revolution to exchange students

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For me its the uh, opposite

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At the start I was at the university nearly every day

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Nowadays Im hardly ever there

chilly briar
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get up at like 8, campus by 9, leave at 7 or 8pm to get something to eat maybe, stay until 3 or 4 in the morning. Repeat for 10 months

hasty kernel
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I should be, but my sleeping schedule got messed up real bad, and 2 hours travel every day is just exhausting

analog spear
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My university is literally twice the size of the town it’s in

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So there’s not really anywhere to go

wide ember
#

my university had a cemetary in its backyard

supple sleet
wide ember
#

I mean, so did my highschool

north hamlet
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Why are there so many cemeteries

wide ember
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and also untouched woods

analog spear
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Let’s see

hasty kernel
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The city around my university is pretty big

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The good part is that the university has a good location

analog spear
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My elementary school was literally in a marsh

hasty kernel
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Or everything else does, perhaps

chilly briar
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lol the university I went to in Japan had a tomb

analog spear
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Yo

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That’s some dnd stuff right there

hasty kernel
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Its got a card shop for YGO and Keyforge, a burger place and a japanese curry place, a good Döner place if you dont have time or want to save money, and a supermarket all within 5-10 minutes of walking distance

chilly briar
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Well, a kofun, which is basically a tomb

hasty kernel
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If I were to just live there, itd be extremely convenient

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But then Id have to live on my own

wide ember
#

kofun is way cooler than just a tomb or cemetary

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ooo is doner the grilled meat with spice inside thing?

hasty kernel
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Kinda?

wide ember
#

so , the untouched woods have plenty of fireflies and stuff, and the cemetery was cemetery, so my student life was never boring, it was ghost stories all the time

hasty kernel
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Its like a big inverted cone of stacked seasoned meat

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Like this

wide ember
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yes that's it

hasty kernel
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And then you slice of essentially big flakes of meat

wide ember
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they mix spice with the meat and cook it like that, and slice it to serve

hasty kernel
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Stuff them in a flatbread, with some salad, onions and the like

wide ember
#

it's kind of rare here so it's considered exotic

hasty kernel
#

Its like the definitive german fastfood

chilly briar
#

living on your own is pretty nice

hasty kernel
#

Yeah here you find multiple döner places even in small cities

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In my university city there are 6 close to one of the university locations

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It might be, I find it utterly terrifying

wide ember
#

you get so much more privacy and freedom when you live on your own

chilly briar
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I lived with 3 others near my uni (5 minutes from my house to the department I was in lol) and god it was a mess. I moved out for a year and back in and they hadn't cleaned once lmao

wide ember
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also you don't have to deal with that ^

analog spear
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Yea but 4x the people is like 1/2 the cost

hasty kernel
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The thing is, Im satisfied with my privacy while living with my parents (the fact that I dont have guests ever helps with that)

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And Id say having to work every day would give me less freedom

chilly briar
#

I live at my parents place at the moment as a halfway point, moving back into my own place in October bless

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my partner and I are

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can't wait

hasty kernel
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I imagine its easier as 2

wide ember
#

meanwhile living a small apartment by yourself is a lot more costy, but it's probably cleaner, and you can party, and if you earn enough it's not a big deal

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2 is a big gamble sometimes

chilly briar
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We'll get a person to fill one of the rooms but it'll be mostly us for now since I'm doing some renovations

analog spear
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It’s only probably cleaner if you are in the top 50% for cleanliness

hasty kernel
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Yeah

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Anyway, Ill probably have to try living on my own at some point

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But Im trying to delay that for now

analog spear
#

You can live with someone else but just never talk to them

chilly briar
#

It's a lot easier to care about keeping it nice and clean when it's your own place

hasty kernel
#

I am mildly paranoid

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That would not work

chilly briar
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You can live with someone else but just never talk to them

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Sound stressful

wide ember
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it's best to be or become friend with roommate so you get support bonus

analog spear
#

Yea so my roommate has his sleep schedule shifted like 3 hours from mine

hasty kernel
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Thatd be an issue as well

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But again, main issue is that I cant know if I can trust them

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And I also cant sleep with my bedroom door closed for some reason

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Kind of a bad combo

analog spear
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They can’t murder you

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If you murder them first

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I mean

chilly briar
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I used to have to leave mine open for my screamy furry baby

hasty kernel
#

Sound logic, but no

wide ember
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if they murder you then you can't pay your part of the rent

analog spear
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^

hasty kernel
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Paranoia is not rational

analog spear
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Safety through capitalism

hasty kernel
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Not even mild paranoia

wide ember
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is the screamy furry baby a cat or a dog or a bird

analog spear
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WHAT?

wide ember
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codex's reason to leave door open

analog spear
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Oh ok

wide ember
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ok see, getting a pet when you live alone is nice because they become alert when a stranger gets too close

hasty kernel
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I dont trust myself to take care of me

wide ember
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though dogs often bark at seemly empty spaces

hasty kernel
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I certainly dont trust myself to take care of a pet

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Especially since I kinda dont like dogs, so itd have to be a cat

wide ember
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cats are nice

analog spear
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Dogs are dumb but actually useful

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Cats are smart but only good for pest control

wide ember
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meanwhile geese are perfect

hasty kernel
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Optimally there would be bodyguard bots

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Or friendbots

analog spear
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And half the time cats kill the family of cardinals that flock to your house every year and DAMN it still mad piper!!!

hasty kernel
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Or friendbots that act as bodyguards

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Thatd be nice

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Or we can eliminate sleep

analog spear
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But sleep is good

hasty kernel
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I dont agree

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I hate sleep

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If it wasnt literally neccessary, I would forego it

cinder blaze
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Robot cat bodyguard. There we go.

hasty kernel
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Shut up and take my money

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Id also accept Robot Snake Bodyguards

chilly briar
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It's my giant floof of a cat

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he's the size of a small dog

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when he stands on you it's like little knives stabbing you

hexed hollow
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Can we see a photo of your floof of a kitter? klinkO

analog spear
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Pls ^

sharp grail
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yo, have you guys seen the new humble bundle

hexed hollow
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Nope anything good/worth checking out?

cinder blaze
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Ooooh, that's tempting.

sharp grail
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yeah i bought it already

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thats a good one

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i mean i had borderlands but that mid tier is okface

cinder blaze
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Got Tyranny already but Pillars of Eternity though...do want.

chilly briar
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This is Panther

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old photo though soz for quality

sharp grail
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now that is a floof

cinder blaze
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Regal and adorable.

north hamlet
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Bacon

chilly briar
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8kg of small-dog-sized screaming power

hasty kernel
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Oh he is cute

hexed hollow
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Soooo cute klinkO

hasty kernel
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His fur must feel nice

chilly briar
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yeah if you're allergic to cats my place is a bad time lol he's super floof

analog spear
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While we are on the topic of cat pics do you guys mind if I show mine

hasty kernel
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More cat pics!

analog spear
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How do I copy image links on mobile

hasty kernel
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Press and hold on the link, click select all, click copy

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At least on android

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No idea about iOS

wide ember
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it's the same on iOS

analog spear
wide ember
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short hair?

analog spear
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Yea

chilly briar
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keeper of the cupboards

analog spear
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I’ll see if I have a better one

chilly briar
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first of their name

hasty kernel
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Everyone here has black cats Ive noticed

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Nice to see black cats getting the appreciation they deserve

analog spear
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She has a white stomach bug you can’t see

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But*

wide ember
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black cats are cool, they are invisible at night

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though that makes tripping over them easier too...

analog spear
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Perfect color for murdering all the cute Marsh animals we get 😦

hasty kernel
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Yknow, I wonder would "yin" be a bad name for a cat like that

analog spear
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That would be pretty good

wide ember
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yin as in yin and yang or as in the time?

hasty kernel
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As in yin and yang, yeah

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Since its a black cat with a white belly

chilly briar
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Milk and Coke

copper lark
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legend dairy

chilly briar
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Salt & pepper

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Fried & chicken

hasty kernel
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I almost want a kitten just so I could him/her "my little catastrophe"

wide ember
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yin time is 3am to 5am so it would be cool too

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btw I was apparently born during the chicken time/hours

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I wonder if my fateful love for birds is related

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if I get a cat I‘ll name them chicken

hasty kernel
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Well they do say "you are what you eat"

supple sleet
wide ember
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welp

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so, I'll go back to imagining the perfect cottage house with pond and birds and maybe cats

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I swear the best part of writing a novel is imagining all the houses as a form of escapism

analog spear
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I mean as far as gambling goes 2k has a point

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As anyone who has ever farmed for loot in an rpg knows all too well

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Most games contain some sort of rng loot system that could be considered gambling

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Just because 2k portrays it for what it is dosent make them evil

chilly briar
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You could argue treasure chests with a low spawn rate are a form of gambling ¯_(ツ)_/¯

hasty kernel
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Mmh

chilly briar
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People legitimately don't purchase any kind of insurance because they consider it gambling too

hasty kernel
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Well, in this case the game shows it to you as gambling, no?

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That does make a difference

analog spear
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I mean don’t get me wrong I’m not a fan of 2k

chilly briar
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That's true, context is important

hasty kernel
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Random gear drops to me dont feel like gambling because of the simple reason that it doesnt look like gambling, and you dont spend any currency to do the "gambling"

analog spear
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But the game is jut being honest about it, at least from what I can see

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Yea I guess

upbeat scroll
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the difference to me is whether you can immediately spend more money to get more drops

analog spear
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But it’s still the same principle , In both games you put in time(to grind money or to do a raid) and get a certain chance of a desired outcome with a high probability of failure

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If you can spend money then it’s definitely gambling

upbeat scroll
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im pretty sure putting real money in is a core feature of 2K's NBA games

analog spear
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I think it isn’t at least for this random chance thing

hasty kernel
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The way its presented does make a difference

analog spear
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Well I mean in rpgs you know it’s chance based as well

hasty kernel
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The fact that its basically slot machines in the game does make it actively evoke gambling

analog spear
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Oh I am with you that it tries to resemble gambling, and that to a certain extent it is

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I’m just saying that most other games have basically identical gambling mechanics that are better hidden

upbeat scroll
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in NBA 2K19 you can spend real money on virtual currency for "card packs" that have low chances to give you good cards

analog spear
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Yea that’s gambling

upbeat scroll
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since they've put gambling in previous games, I wouldn't be surprised if they put gambling in this new game

analog spear
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Was 2k19 flagged by the esrb for gambling

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(Unable to lookup atm)

upbeat scroll
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the esrb is "self-regulatory", it's run by the game companies. they're not going to flag stuff as gambling if they can avoid it

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nba 2k19 is e for everyone, no descriptors

analog spear
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Was it tho