#off-topic-discussion

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supple sleet
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No way to remove the paint, hm?

north hamlet
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It depends on the paint, but I've used acetone to strip some before

serene tulip
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I tried scrubbing it with a toothbrush with some denatured alcohol

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but no acetone

north hamlet
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Get some nail polish remover and let it soak for a few mins

serene tulip
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that's how I figured out that it was probably already primed because it was translucent blue under the gray šŸ˜›

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now all the flat spots are clear blue, and the detailed parts are a lumpy gray

north hamlet
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I should try using a toothbrush to remove bad paintwork

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That sounds like a good idea

wide ember
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so is there a way to tell if it's already primed next time, like if you burn it and it does this kind of thingƉ

serene tulip
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I want to play games

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but I'm just so tired

wide ember
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lucid dream playing games

serene tulip
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I kinda had a lucid dream moment this morning

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but like, I still had proprioception of my sleeping body

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so it was really weird

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like, the discontinuity between what I was doing in my dream and what I was feeling about where and what my body were doing was what made me realize it was a dream

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also proprioception is a cool word

analog spear
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Finally moving into college

buoyant frigate
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Nice!

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Does anyone know of good tabletop rpg’s (like DND) that are good for 2 players and one GM?

analog spear
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How good is the chemistry between the players

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I don’t no any game made for 2 but if the players are good enough then standard rpgs will work, in my experience

buoyant frigate
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They’re very good together haha

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That’s true, I could just scale back the challenges for them

analog spear
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You could also give them 2x hp, resources, and 2 turns each round

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But that might be awkward

hexed hollow
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having more party npc's is another option too

analog spear
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Yes I tried a thing where in combat each person controls an npc

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It was a bit wonky tho

hexed hollow
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I wasn't thinking player controlled npc's
moreso GM controlled

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but that's more work on the GM side

analog spear
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I like to try to give players control over their entire team in combat

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One idea is letting the players give general orders to the npcs while the gm decides the specifics

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Something like ā€œattack xā€ or ā€œheal meā€

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Similar to the dragon quest auto battler

hasty kernel
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Id say FATE maybe

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Its very customizable and free-flow, so you should be able to adjust it to any party size

copper lark
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i got enbarr finally im so happy

serene tulip
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is that from that one boss you were going to spam?

copper lark
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yee

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we only had to do it twice

serene tulip
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was it shivas or leviathans?

copper lark
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now we goin through all of them to get all the horses

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leviathan

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whorleater

serene tulip
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Can i come?

copper lark
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we doin it unsynced

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u can join

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we're doin all of them

serene tulip
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like, right now?

copper lark
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we're unlocking them all rn

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you need the extreme trials

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ah- wait

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no nvm theyre all lvl 50

serene tulip
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If I don't have them in my thing, am I allowed to join you on them?

copper lark
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no :/ it wont let you

serene tulip
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on my duty list

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booooo

copper lark
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urianger in the waking sands will give u the quests

serene tulip
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omg midgardsomr is riding on my shoulder

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OK, I have the howling eye extreme now

copper lark
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rn we're doing the shiva one

serene tulip
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and it looks like urianger wont give me another one

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well let me know if you want to do the howling eye extreme šŸ˜„

hasty kernel
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Finally, GW2 has build templates

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No more having to manually switch my weapons

copper lark
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2/6 horsies

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when u beat a trial in 1 minute 28 seconds

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3/6 T_T

magic bane
supple sleet
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@copper lark Are you going for the uber mount?

copper lark
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yee

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grinding titan,,,, i dont think i can do it

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someone please hold me titan keeps yeeting me

hasty kernel
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Unfortunately its a yeet or be yeeten world

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Man how did we survive before "yeet" was invented

copper lark
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AHHHH ok

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i figured out titan extreme maybe

supple sleet
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Yeah there's a tiny line where you don't get knocked off.

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I hated Titan, but it sounds like you're having incredible luck. I've known people who were grinding EX for weeks.

copper lark
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ahh we gave up on the mount for now

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onto ifrit now

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might grind garuda alone for a bit to get the nightmare mount

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oce if u wanna join me when i do that i forgot to @ u earlier when we did garuda >>

copper lark
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We are Not having luck with Ifrit.

hasty kernel
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I guess your hot streak ended

supple sleet
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iirc that one and Titan have the worst drop rates? Maybe? Or maybe it was Garuda? Or maybe I'm making that up. <.<

copper lark
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im so annoyed

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i even tried using the emperors new clothes to appease him

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its even worse

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bc we're trying to get 2 of each

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its only giving us like 1 piece of loot each time

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so thjats probably why

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HOW did nightmare appear before

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NVM WE GOT NIGHTMARE AND AITHON,,,

hasty kernel
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Hm, Cyberpunk 2077 looks good, but it seems non-lethal playstyles are super limited as usual

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Whole skilltree seems to only have "hacking" as something a nonlethal playstyle can use, and Im not even sure it wont have skills that are used for killing

serene tulip
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Dear UPS

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Plz give me my package before 8:00 PM this time

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I don't know how I'm always the last stop

hasty kernel
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I mean if they have to travel all the way to the southern hemisphere, itd make sense to do that as the last stop

serene tulip
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I'm confus

hasty kernel
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Its a pun on your name

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Oce

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Like OCE, the abbreviation for Oceania

supple sleet
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Did you guys catch the CP2077 Deep Dive video?

hasty kernel
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I watched some

supple sleet
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I avoided the 44 minute trailer thing.

hasty kernel
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Only thing I really card about was the non-lethal options

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And they look to be insanely limited

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1 skill line in the whole skilltree that is at all useable as a nonlethal player

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And even that skill line might have lethal skills

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Also the boss they showed was extremely bulletspongy, which doesnt inspire confidence

copper lark
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5/6 horses!

supple sleet
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😮

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I forget, do you lose the other horses when you get the big'n?

copper lark
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i hope not

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if i do ill be real upset

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we were lucky

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got the ramuh horse first try

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then we got 2 nightmare horses and the ifrit horse within two tries

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obv ifrit took longer than that but we got the horses in 2 tries

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we got the leviathan one in 2 tries

supple sleet
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😮

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I wonder if they buffed the drop rates.

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You're getting crazy levels of lucky.

copper lark
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i dont think they have

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we're just mega lucky XD

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my friend isnt collecting the mounts w me anymore, she just wanted nightmare

supple sleet
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Nice

copper lark
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ponies are a 15-20% drop rate

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is that higher?

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nightmare is 3-5%

supple sleet
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I think so? I know that when my old guildies did it, one horse took them literally over 100 tries. They were at it for like 2.5 hours, but that might have been nightmare.

copper lark
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oh lord

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it took us ages for titan but thats bc we kept dying

supple sleet
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I think that session they never did get it. they gave up and came back to it later.

copper lark
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we're doing it unsynced at level 70 and level 80 though

supple sleet
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Titan EX is well known for being a pain in the rump.

copper lark
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like i showed up there a little garuda was taking us like 50 seconds

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we also did unsynced binding coil but

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the second coil stuff was too hard :/

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we r rlly not having luck w titan huh

supple sleet
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Once you get the groove it's really not so bad.

copper lark
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its more the drop

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i got the mechanics now

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after 50 tries >:((((

supple sleet
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Well, if you spend 5x longer on Titan, you'll be about evened out xD

hasty kernel
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Im shocked, the Shawzin has been out for hours and noone has made Megalovania yet

wide ember
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tomato season harvest is great

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I think I picked enough tomatoes for a week, but I'll eat it in two days

north hamlet
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What kind of tomato?

wide ember
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candy tomatoes

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even smaller than cherry tomatoes

north hamlet
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That sounds pretty nice

wide ember
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they are super tiny, the size of a bracelet bead

supple sleet
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😮

north hamlet
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That also sounds super cute

supple sleet
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Would be good in the cucumber and feta salad I made last night

wide ember
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a cherry tomato is about four times bigger than it

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I unfortunately only have cheddar and smoked cheddar, feta or mozzarella would be perfect

hasty kernel
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Looks like Yakuza 7 continues the tradition of RE7 of having the subtitle of the seventh game be the translation of the japanese name

supple sleet
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yeah smoked cheddar would definitely overwhelm. Maybe shred the cheddar and then chop it a bit to make it small pieces.

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Oh really Uno?

hasty kernel
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And its ... turn-based?

wide ember
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I'll just eat them like candies

hasty kernel
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Yeah, its called "Yakuza: Like a Dragon"

wide ember
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wait, turn based?

hasty kernel
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But apparently the april fools was real

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Its a turn-based RPG apparently

wide ember
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what the heck

north hamlet
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šŸ¤”

wide ember
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...what the heck

supple sleet
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Yeah, not sure how I feel about that, but I'm not near the fan of the game as Ragachak

hasty kernel
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Im just confused

wide ember
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I think "uncomfortable" is a possibly term describing my feeling towards

hasty kernel
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The combat is like one of Yakuzas defining features

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The fact that its ludicrously over the top action with dropkicks

wide ember
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if your game is called Like a Dragon we expect it to be action??

hasty kernel
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Its like, clearly so important

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Why take that away

supple sleet
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If your game is called "Yakuza" we expect it to be action.

hasty kernel
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I also cant say that the graphics match with the turn-based combat

wide ember
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yeah the lemon shove and the drunk lamppost dancing kick are important

supple sleet
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Yeah, it's a weird turn.

wide ember
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that lady with a handbag is ready to fight a thug somehow?

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she's level 46 even

hasty kernel
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It also means the new main character is gonna go through a rough start

wide ember
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I don't know, this feels more like a shin megami tensei spin off than yakuza spin off

hasty kernel
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I mean the UI does have that kinda vibe

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That does explain the repeated dragon quest namedrops in the trailer tbh

wide ember
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no it does not, maybe, I mean it is called like a dragon

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I'm so confused

hasty kernel
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Its a turn-based RPG like Dragon Quest

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In fact you could call the game "Yakuza: Like a Dragon .... Quest"

wide ember
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there is a live action movie, maybe it'll clear some confusions

hasty kernel
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Anyway, whats next, Phoenix Wright but its an FPS?

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Though to be honest, the idea of Maya with a gun is rather amusing

north hamlet
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What you aim isn't the gun, but your finger at the culprit

hasty kernel
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Finger-guns

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Though I wouldnt mind a Yakuza-like game set in the Ace Attorney universe

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There is precedent for Phoenix Wright kicking butt

copper lark
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we just got the worst healer in sastasha

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tried to tank everything

supple sleet
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I usually just let them xD

copper lark
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yeah

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he kept dying

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so we kicked him out :D

hasty kernel
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Quis medicabit ipsos medici?

supple sleet
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Who heals the healer? šŸ˜›

hasty kernel
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Yup

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Though, admitively my latin is rusty

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So I cant guarantee that its correct

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Alright, checked some conjugation guides and it should be correct

copper lark
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I GOT THE HORSE

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ahhh finally

hasty kernel
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I guess you proved the neighsayers wrong

supple sleet
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ā¤ Nice

wide ember
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both are valid

supple sleet
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My favorite mount on FFXIV was Sleipnir <.<

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That I had, anyway.

copper lark
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ohh cost money...

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i need a 2 seater mount

supple sleet
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The car from XV isn't still available, is it?

copper lark
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nah :/ i wish

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thats 4 people too so i could have my whole squad

supple sleet
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They cycle events in and out, it'll likely come around again sometime.

copper lark
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i hope

serene tulip
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I want a comically small mount

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that my comically large roe can ride

hasty kernel
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So, like a small chicken?

supple sleet
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I'm picturing a tricycle. But like, a magitek tricycle.

serene tulip
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I was kinda thinking a moogle

supple sleet
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Now that's just rude.

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Moogles are people too!

copper lark
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pls do not ride the moogles

supple sleet
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^

copper lark
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get a fat cat

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same effect

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or a carbuncle mount

wide ember
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playing as a cat boy um

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not too sure about cat

copper lark
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fdghdfj

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i rlly want the kamuy mounts now but

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i wont be able to unsync to get them :/

supple sleet
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Anyone binging Dark Crystal this weekend?

wide ember
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I'm still too hooked with ffxiv

supple sleet
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What level/class are you now sol?

copper lark
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also r u on malboro :o

ionic viper
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i've been physically unable to play anything else,,

supple sleet
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haha, it happens

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I wish I could do nothing but NMS Beyond, but with work I gotta do other stuff as assignments come up

analog spear
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This entire channel is syd slowly convincing more and more people to play ff14, and it scares me because I think I might be next...

supple sleet
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(Humorously, I got SGG to send us a review copy for Hades, and my boss was all "Yoink, mine.")

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Haha Ichoren. It really is an amazing game, and is truly getting better as time goes on.

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It's like the reverse WoW

analog spear
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Yea but subscriptions hiss

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I might get the trial over break

supple sleet
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Mmmm, fair I guess. But if any game is worth it, it's FFXIV, considering how much free content they add between major expacs.

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The trial is the way to go though.

analog spear
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It scares me when I consider the long term cost if I get really into it

supple sleet
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How much do you spend a month on games, generally?

analog spear
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Like 150

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Well I used to

supple sleet
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@wide ember how much have you spent on games outside of FFXIV since you started playing it?

wide ember
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console games or pc games: 0 hours

supple sleet
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There's your math xD

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You'll be SAVING money.

analog spear
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Lol

hasty kernel
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Note: This only works if youre spending a lot of money on games right now

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Also christ why is Microsoft so obsessed with making sure you cant disable their stupid automatic updates

copper lark
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syd <converter of gamers>

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to be fair, everyone ive gotten to play has enjoyed it a lot so tbh i think im doing an excellent job

analog spear
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I actually spend less then the monthly subscription on games

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Fair

copper lark
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the sub does make me feel bad though

hasty kernel
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Same, I spend an average of like, 5€ a month on games

copper lark
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id say get the most out of the 35 free levels on every class you get

hasty kernel
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Which is to say, I buy games every couple of months and spend nothing otherwise

copper lark
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before spending any money bc i didnt do that

hasty kernel
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Holy crap Microsoft is thorough in pushing their stupid automated updates on you

analog spear
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Yea...

hasty kernel
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They created a special subaccount for the system that you cant modify, that also prevents you from modifying any of the update tasks

analog spear
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Dude I swear even if you disconnect from the WiFi they send a guy into your house at night with an Ethernet cable

hasty kernel
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Well thats a non-started, I need internet

analog spear
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That’s the only explanation I have

ionic viper
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hey syd

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syd hey

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@copper lark

copper lark
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hey sparrow

ionic viper
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hoooooooooooooorse

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riding hoooooooorse

copper lark
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RIDING HOOOORSE

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Me with my 7 new horses

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8?

analog spear
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Can you translated

copper lark
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8 new horses

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the music that plays on the ffxiv title menu

ionic viper
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HOOOOOOORSE, RIDING HOOOOOOOOOORSE

copper lark
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you’ve ruined me sparrow

ionic viper
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every time i open the game

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all i hear

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is this dude singing about horses

supple sleet
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lol

hasty kernel
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And they even created a different service that automatically restarts the update service that you also cant disable

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What the hell

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I figured that just not having enough space for updates would make Windows stop, but no

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It just keeps trying to update even though it knows there isnt enough space

copper lark
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microsoft Sucks

hasty kernel
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At this point Im convinced that there is a sinister purpose behind them

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This is way too much effort to just push updates people neither want nor need on them

copper lark
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they’re a big company

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it’s def not innocent

analog spear
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Well I mean security patches are important

hasty kernel
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Not causing my PC to start up in the middle of the night waking me up is also pretty important

analog spear
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Use a flash drive maybe

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Transfer over a few gb

hasty kernel
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Oh you misunderstand, my issue isnt that I cant update

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Its that I dont want to

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It tends to break everything

blissful charm
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i miss the good ol days of being able to put off updates indefinitely

hasty kernel
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Plus there is no good time to update usually

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Yeah

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They removed that option

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And when people found workarounds, worked tirelessly to remove them, it seems

copper lark
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man i wish i’d gotten u all into ffxiv during the recruit a friend campaign

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gib me chocobo feathers

analog spear
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Capitalism

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I always feel guilty using recruit a friend programs

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Even if there is an option i usually don’t mention it

copper lark
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:o why

hasty kernel
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I wish people would give GW2 a chance 😦

serene tulip
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I gave it a chance X'D

analog spear
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Because then it feels like I have an ulterior motive

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I did as well

serene tulip
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I exploit the crap out of my gym's refer a friend program

hasty kernel
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Correction then: I wish people enjoyed GW2 as much as they should

serene tulip
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or at least try to

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because that's some good money

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and I want my friends to be stronk

hasty kernel
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Everyone should adhere to my standards dammit

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Man adhere is a hard word to remember

analog spear
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I wish I could do with mh world what syd has with ffxiv

hasty kernel
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Get people to play it, you mean?

analog spear
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Yes

copper lark
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i also play mh world !!! everyone should

serene tulip
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I played mhw

hasty kernel
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I mean, I would if I didnt like God Eater better

analog spear
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Ok squad up

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Except I can’t nvm

copper lark
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that ones trickier than ffxiv, bc the graphics for ffxiv aren’t as pretty as mhw

supple sleet
copper lark
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i made my ffxiv character my mhw character is that sad?

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LMAO ME

hasty kernel
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Hades needs a cat tbh

supple sleet
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lol Syd

analog spear
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Correct analysis of the situation

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Zag is the cat

copper lark
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thanatos is the cat

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let’s be real

analog spear
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Zag Never stays inside when he should

hasty kernel
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Then let us give Thanatos bellyrubs

analog spear
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Allays knocks stuff over

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Breaks everything

copper lark
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okay u make an excellent point

analog spear
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Even leaving scratching on the floor

hasty kernel
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Anyway, lets see if I can get people to play PSO2 when it comes out here

analog spear
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Pso2?

copper lark
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i might try gw2... however i’m starting my last year of secondary school on tuesday so shadegrief

hasty kernel
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Phantasy Star Online 2

analog spear
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Hm...

hasty kernel
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Its a lobby-based MMO

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Has the best and most action-y combat

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Long been out in japan, were finally getting it localized early next year

analog spear
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I’ll look into it

hasty kernel
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Its very, uh, japanese with all the bad things that come with it

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But the action combat and enemy design is great

analog spear
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(He says, hundreds of miles from a gaming pc)

hasty kernel
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It has a timing mechanic on all attacks and skills

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Where if you press attack or a skill again at the right time

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It does more damage and might have extra effects

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Part of why I love the bow in Hades, actually

serene tulip
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FFXIV Spoilers ||Goddammit moenbryda!||

copper lark
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Uh Oh

serene tulip
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||It'd be funny if Urianger heard and just dropped the whole like, fancy language affectation||

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||"Have you heard" "Yeah, fam, that is not lit"||

copper lark
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||that would be SAD pls they were def dating did u see how she picked him up||

serene tulip
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||Do people doubt it?||

copper lark
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||no lool||

serene tulip
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Dear videogame developers: Practice good ADHD accessibility by making your cutscenes less boring and/or with a 1.5x speed option.

copper lark
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yeaah

velvet fjord
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what, you don't like fifteen minutes of geralt getting out of a bathtub, or seven houre of MGS cutscenes?

supple sleet
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Nah, they're talking about the 42 minutes worth of mandatory cutscenes at the end of A Realm Reborn xD

velvet fjord
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jesus that's a lot
why do games love thinking I want to watch a movie

even warframe's cutscenes dragged on for me, and you actually get to play every few moments in those

supple sleet
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Because FF's are worth it. Mostly.

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And I mean, it's a story focused game, first and foremost, imo.

copper lark
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not when it’s your 100th run of the praetorium

supple sleet
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I thought those ones were skipable after the first time?

copper lark
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not the praetorium

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bc the cutscenes are like 7 minutes long each

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so new people will get locked in cutscenes if they wanna see the story

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same with castrum medi something

supple sleet
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Ahhhh so they made them mandatory for everyone now? Hahaha

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Sorry, that's kind'a funny to me, as one of those people who got dusted because I was watching them <.<

copper lark
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aw man

serene tulip
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me seeing anyone ride by on a fancy horse: "Is that Syd?"

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15 quests before I can Dark Knight!

supple sleet
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Woot. ā¤ DRK pretty hard.

copper lark
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agh

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oce i’ll help u get some horses today if u want

rapid hatch
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Any of you guys know your way around hardware computer stuffs?

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My GPU cooling fans do nothing while playing(recording games.

forest narwhal
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Modern GPUs turn off fans, when it's not needed to use them

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If you have low temperatures on GPU, it's normal

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Otherwise there could be problem with configs, fans, power line, fan controler, cables

rapid hatch
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@forest narwhal I had my computer open and checked the temperatur as I was playing and recording Hades.

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It was almost too hot to touch with no fans running.

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When I start the computer or turn it off, it spins very shortly

forest narwhal
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Ok, check temperature on GPU durning playing with I.E. HW Monitor

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But Hades itself shouldn't load GPU significantly

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  • What GPU It's?
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@rapid hatch

rapid hatch
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GeForce RTX 2070

forest narwhal
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So it is kinda bored

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And probably use less than 10% of it's power

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So just check, GPUs temp don't exceed like 60-70 degrees

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Or check, does under bigger load (like modern AAA game) fans starts spinning

rapid hatch
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I don't think I got any big Triple A games on my computer for the most part.

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I will keep it in mind.

supple sleet
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I'm running a 2080 and my PC is mostly idle right now, but the fans are spinning away fine.

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how old is the card?

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and who is the manufacturer?

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@rapid hatch

rapid hatch
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It's an Nvidia card. The computer I bought like....1 or 2 months ago?

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2 monthsish

supple sleet
#

So NVIDIA actually manufactured? It's not like EGA or some other brand?

rapid hatch
#

Before I answer that question, let me repeat that I don't understand a thing about these things.

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"there are other Nvidia card manufacturers than Nvidia?"

supple sleet
#

So, NVIDIA is the patent holder, but they license production out.

rapid hatch
#

I see.

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The computer was pre-build, so I can't give you an exact history on the parts sadly.

supple sleet
#

ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, Zotac, EVGA, these are all manufacturers.

#

That's fine, that should mean it's under warranty, yes?

rapid hatch
#

It is, yes.

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The computer says Hyrican when I turn it on, does that help?

supple sleet
#

It does, somewhat.

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So this is a common issue with those manufacterers.

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Enough so that google predictive text saw the question coming

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Did you buy it online or in a store?

rapid hatch
#

In a store

supple sleet
#

I'd take it in and explain the problem.

rapid hatch
#

Hmm. Okay.

supple sleet
#

Like I said, it should be under warranty if you only got it 2 months ago.

rapid hatch
#

Yes, it is. Thanks for helping me out

supple sleet
#

And if it is running hot, it could cause long term wear and tear on your entire system that could cost you major money.

#

šŸ‘

hasty kernel
#

It could be worth swapping out the fan for a different type, if its possible

#

Usually pre-built computers have pretty shoddy fans

supple sleet
#

And video cards are -amazingly- easy to replace, so don't feel intimidated if that's what it comes to. Just follow directions in the manual or find a YT how-to.

rapid hatch
#

Still hope that it doesn't come to that, but I will keep that in mind as well.

copper lark
#

my armour rn would protect me from anything

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nothing could even touch me

supple sleet
#

So armor. Much protec

hasty kernel
#

Yeah graphic cards are actually nicely modular

#

If only the rest of the PC was like that

supple sleet
#

Wish I could get you guys on our forums to share your screenies and stuff.

copper lark
#

forums scare me T_T

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speaking of screenies tho

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i never sent this here

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the best place in the whole game

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prove me wrong

supple sleet
#

Okay, if you don't post that to our forums, I might (and give you credit)

copper lark
#

fhgfd yknow what fine

supple sleet
#

ā¤ ā¤

rapid hatch
#

I tried MSI afterburner now.

ionic viper
#

no thank you

rapid hatch
#

Not because I want to overclock but because apparently, it enables some way to control the fan.

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It is actually spinning as long as I have that on.

supple sleet
#

Well that's good DD!

#

The issue is potentially a driver thing then, tbh

rapid hatch
#

I installed the most recent drivers, among other things before I tried that.

supple sleet
#

Or a driver/hardware interface issue

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nods

copper lark
#

oooh

hasty kernel
#

Do bows in FFXIV not have visible strings?

copper lark
#

yup

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its there

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yup as in- they do

hasty kernel
#

Oh I see

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Its blurred out

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I just noticed that a surprising amount of MMOs I played had bows without strings

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And Im never sure why

copper lark
#

too small to include i guess

hasty kernel
#

Plausible

ionic viper
#

also, animation

hasty kernel
#

The particular weird part is that some of them didnt have bowstrings, but had shell casings flying out from guns

supple sleet
#

animation is where my mind went.

analog spear
#

Magic energy strings that only appear when you go to fire are cool

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Kid Icarus really sold me on that idea

wide ember
#

I have yet to see even one rpg, mmo or else, include a flatbow, so I am putting flatbow in most of my creative projects

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casing flying out of guns is just particles but string needs its own animation/physics so bow string is harder

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re: ffxiv screenshot, I play on lowest graphic settings and tiny resolution, so I don't think I can contribute screenshots

hasty kernel
#

Whats a flatbow?

supple sleet
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Just a bow that doesn't have recurve

wide ember
#

it's a bow that stays flat when in rest, only curves when pulled

supple sleet
#

It's the most basic and original of bows, using a long mostly flat stave

wide ember
#

the stays flat version is even rarer now

hasty kernel
#

Huh

supple sleet
#

Yeah, virtually non existent. They're not really aesthetically pleasing most of the time, I think. Though they would generally be easier to travel with, as they could be readily secured to a pack.

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Quicker/easier to string, too.

hasty kernel
#

So if not in use, its just a long plank?

supple sleet
#

more or less. Might have a grip carved near the center.

wide ember
#

well, I say flat but it's really relative, it's usually not a full flat plank

supple sleet
#

^

wide ember
wide ember
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ok we posted the same kind

hasty kernel
#

I guess RPGs dont tend to have them because theyd require a different model

wide ember
supple sleet
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That one's strung though

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The lack of flatness could just be the tension of the string.

wide ember
#

true, but it is at rest-ish

#

we need to pull that string off

supple sleet
#

I think generally, there's always going to need to be SOME curve to the bow when at rest, or the string would slip off.

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Or at least out of place.

hasty kernel
#

So, ironically the closest GW2 has to a flatbow, is a bow called the "Zenith Recurve Bow"

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Then again, the game has something called a flatbow that definitely isnt one if Im getting it right

wide ember
#

I feel like the name got switched

hasty kernel
#

I think they just went for names that sounded good

#

Regardless of accuracy

supple sleet
#

Yeah, that second one is absolutely a recurve bow.

wide ember
#

bladed recurve bow

hasty kernel
#

There are a couple that are kinda like the not totally flat flatbow

#

Although, is this a flatbow or a recurve bow

wide ember
#

longbow

hasty kernel
#

Isnt it a secondary distinction?

wide ember
#

the bow has curves near the hold, it's visibly not string tension

#

longbow and flatbow don't have the same origin

hasty kernel
#

I see, makes sense

wide ember
#

longbow is usually descended from British Isles I think?

#

if my memory serves, longbow was designed for war, while flatbow was designed for hunting

supple sleet
#

I believe Wales for longbow, tbh.

wide ember
#

longbow is very high penetration, to pierce armours

supple sleet
#

Aye. No accuracy needed, they'd rain arrows.

wide ember
#

flatbow was ease of travel with and something else that I can't remember

hasty kernel
#

This is probably the flattest bow in the game

#

Ah

supple sleet
#

flatbow would have been designed for short accurate straight flights.

hasty kernel
#

Yeah I have no knowledge about bows, always been more of a melee guy

supple sleet
#

That's what you need/want from hunting bows.

hasty kernel
#

And air-firearms

#

And gunblades

#

Gunblades actually existed, in a way

supple sleet
#

The gunblade class in FFXIV is stronk

hasty kernel
#

And they were as stupid as you imagine

#

This is a real weapon someone used

#

Unsurprisingly, made by the US

wide ember
#

I feel my IQ dropping looking at that picture for some reason

#

what the heck is that it's like some SCP

hasty kernel
#

Its a gunblade

supple sleet
#

it looks detachable, like a bayonette.

hasty kernel
#

Its not

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Or rather, I cant say about that specific model

#

But the standard Eglin Cutlass Pistol was not detachable

copper lark
#

gunbreaker strong

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but scarily squishy

supple sleet
#

Really? My boss loves tanking as GB.

copper lark
#

healing them is scary because they have superbolide

hasty kernel
#

Looked it up, that model isnt detachable either

copper lark
#

i mean! its fun

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but

#

i think its squishy bc they have alot of support abilities

hasty kernel
#

This one is actually more practical than the usual version of pistolswords

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Which was just a sabre with a pistol awkwardly welded to the side of the blade

#

As for how you were supposed to aim it, and how it was supposed to not destroy the structural integrity of the sword, no idea

copper lark
#

perish

#

i like gunbreaker solely bc it reminds me of the red queen from dmc4

#

like. i can imagine those gunblades revving up

hasty kernel
#

Yknow whats a ridiculous weapon I wish more MMOs had?

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Chain-sickles

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Or the Meteor Hammer

wide ember
#

I don't know about meteor hammer but chain-sickles is something

#

looks cool in fiction but in real life is just asking to hurt yourself

hasty kernel
#

Meteorhammer is also a chain-based weapon

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2 steel balls connected via chain

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Used in some martial arts apparently, though its mostly just showing off

#

Oh real chainsickles exist, but theyre a bit different

wide ember
#

normal whips already have weight on the tips to I could see meteor hammer as overdoing the weight

hasty kernel
#

See, swing a sickle around on a chain makes no sense

#

Theyre cutting weapons, not piercing weapons

#

Best case scenario they ricochet off and do minor damage, worst case scenario they break

#

The real thing is just one sickle connected to a weight on a chain

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You slice with the sickle, and use the chainweight to entangle the enemy or their weapon

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Strangle them

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Or just clobber them as if it was a flail

supple sleet
#

They were originally used to thresh wheat.

hasty kernel
#

Sickles you mean?

supple sleet
#

chain sickles, even.

hasty kernel
#

I dont ... think so?

#

The chain isnt very good for threshing wheat

supple sleet
#

They allowed for a huge arc, almost like a western scythe.

hasty kernel
#

Unfortunately no

supple sleet
#

lol okay

hasty kernel
#

The cutting area didnt increase for one

#

But moreso than that, sickles fly poorly

#

Also wait, arent we talking about reaping here

wide ember
#

don't be specist (kingdomcist?), wheat and human have the same soul and life in value

hasty kernel
#

Uh, I dont get it

#

But yeah, the regular kamas were used for harvesting, which made it a good tool for ninjas, who predominantly disguised themselves as peasants

#

Weapons that arent suspicious always had that edge

#

Pun entirely intended

wide ember
#

that is straight up assassination though

hasty kernel
#

Well yeah

#

Ninjas were also assassins

#

It wasnt actually their main role

#

Far from it

#

But sometimes it was their role

#

Really, real ninjas were rather mundane and boring

wide ember
#

are assassinations technically part of war or is it apart

hasty kernel
#

Both, I think?

#

If you mean "is there a specific term for assassinations in war", as far as I know there is not

supple sleet
#

There was no place for assassination in Bushido. It would have been considered highly dishonorable.

wide ember
#

who actually follows bushido though

hasty kernel
#

Samurai

wide ember
#

you can get away with it if nobody knows that you were the one who hired that ninja

hasty kernel
#

Sometimes soldiers

supple sleet
#

Bushido literally means "Way of they that practice war"

hasty kernel
#

Ninjas never followed Bushido

wide ember
#

ninjas were mercenaries, somebody hired them to do most of the killings

hasty kernel
#

Mercenaries and spies, yup

supple sleet
#

So it wouldn't have been considered a part of "war" by the people of the time. Probably it'd be considered more politics.

wide ember
#

so if a samurai hires a ninja and doesn't dirty his own hands, he keeps the honour, doesn't he?

hasty kernel
#

Interestingly, there have actually been instances of samurai hiring Ninjas to do the work they themselves cant do

#

Well, whether or not thats how its interpreted, I dont know

#

But fact is that some Samurai did do that

#

And they were actually part of war, their primary role was espionage and sabotage after all

#

Theyre even explicitely mentioned in some military strategist ... uh

#

Guides?

wide ember
#

they were also bodyguards

hasty kernel
#

What would you call it

wide ember
#

escort?

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as in escort mission, taking a person from point A to B

hasty kernel
#

Guides doesnt seem right

#

No I mean, like, books on strategy

wide ember
#

tactician?

hasty kernel
#

Guides makes it seem more mundane, I think there is a specific word for it

#

I just dont know what that word is

wide ember
#

war tactician or strategist

hasty kernel
#

No I meant the books on strategy, not the strategists

wide ember
#

or strategem, the book about war strategies

#

oh

hasty kernel
#

Yes thank you

#

Stratagem

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Or books on stratagems, whichever

supple sleet
#

Books about war strategies? Like Sun Tzu? <.< I'm only seeing half this conversation which makes it difficult. I'll just go back to gaming.

hasty kernel
#

But yeah, real ninjas were pretty boring for the most part

wide ember
#

I wonder what makes a text based platform like discord have message lags

hasty kernel
#

He means that he has blocked me for ... some reason?

#

He didnt like me correcting him on the Kusarigama thing, but Im not sure why

#

Oh and to ruin one of the cool aspects of Ninjas

#

They didnt use Shurikens a lot, and the ones they did were basically just iron darts

wide ember
#

...so naruto was actually correct on that aspect

#

along with the naruto run

hasty kernel
#

Oh those were Kunai

#

Theyre the japanese multi-purpose tool

#

Mostly for gardening and masonry, if you can believe it

#

Same idea as the Kama

#

Tool that is inconspicuous that you can use as a weapon

#

Real ones had a little bit of an indentation, to be used as a spade

wide ember
#

I see

#

the opposite of the japanese great sword

#

so there is any cooking tool used as assassination weapon?

#

so far it's all masonry and farming

hasty kernel
#

I mean

#

A knife?

wide ember
#

well yes but knives for cooking and stabbing are usually not the same?

hasty kernel
#

You can use cooking knives for stabbing

#

And back then I dont think there was much of a difference

#

I guess there were daggers

wide ember
#

I almost only use chinese cleaver, santoku and tiny fruit peeler knife and all three have reduced stabbing effect so you don't stab your own foot out if you drop it

#

I'll look up ancient cooking knives

hasty kernel
#

I see

#

I mean, I dont know cooking utensils very well

#

I suck at cooking

copper lark
#

P LS help i think im addicted to the kh gacha

hasty kernel
#

Dont play the KH Gacha

hexed hollow
#

what is the KH gatcha?

copper lark
#

but they made it so the gacha game story is important to the plot of the main games

#

kingdom hearts union x

wide ember
#

what no isn't gacha system getting banned in most countries

hasty kernel
#

I ... actually dont know

hexed hollow
#

the US probably

hasty kernel
#

Weve had Valve and EA get their lootboxes banned in belgium and the netherlands

#

But Im not sure Gacha games were included

hexed hollow
#

not sure about the rest of world except Asutralia

hasty kernel
#

Lemme check

hexed hollow
#

where Australia is doing literally nothing

copper lark
#

maybe thats why khux story is reaching its end

wide ember
#

because pokemon games' team rocket casino got replaced by this card flip game

hexed hollow
#

NBA 2k20 will totally be rated G in aus

hasty kernel
#

Most of the world is slow in this regard, unfortunately

#

The EU has talked about it, but only Belgium and the Netherlands have actually taken action

#

They also arguably werent thorough enough

hexed hollow
#

"G, General, Online Interactivity"

copper lark
#

im 4% of the way through khux story,, and im level 301 ..... pleas ee

hasty kernel
#

Alright so some gachas are banned in Belgium/Netherlands

copper lark
#

end this pain

hexed hollow
#

both Fifa and NBA2k20 are gonna rake in a tonne of money anyways

#

because of the die hard fans who purchase every variation of sportsball 20xx every year

hasty kernel
#

Wait, Syd

#

Arent they doing the same "clever" thing as they did with the χ-blade

velvet fjord
#

why can't devs just be smart and make money through mtx without loot boxes
it's not like people don't buy them

supple sleet
#

idk, after they added microtransactions halfway through the 2k19 season, people got pretty upset.

copper lark
#

wdym

supple sleet
#

oh wait

hasty kernel
#

Where its basically a greek letter that looks like x and instead is pronounced "key"

supple sleet
#

It was the commercials

copper lark
#

oh yea

supple sleet
#

On 2k19

copper lark
#

its the 'chi' greek symbol

supple sleet
#

People were justifiably off the hook with that crap.

hexed hollow
#

the ad for NBA2k20 sure is something

supple sleet
#

No, I mean -in game- ads.

copper lark
#

its dumb and i hate it the χ-blade is the peak of kh stupidity

supple sleet
#

Before each match.

hexed hollow
#

ahh yeah, now I follow

wide ember
#

oh no

supple sleet
#

Unskippable commercials.

hexed hollow
#

that was a trainwreck

wide ember
#

ok so the in game ads was what swordart online abridged was satiring

velvet fjord
#

tfw you download ublock origin for your games

hasty kernel
#

Also is it like a prequel thats canon, or continuation thats canon

hexed hollow
#

I wouldn't be surprised if their were in game ads in NBA2k20 by default

velvet fjord
#

also I choose to believe that sao abridged takes place in fantasy Anthem

hasty kernel
#

Eh, Anthem isnt badly designed

#

Its just kinda empty

supple sleet
#

If there was Aggy, at least people would be forewarned.

#

2K added them in to people's previously purchased game halfway through the year.

velvet fjord
#

one could argue that being empty is bad design, especially for a game in development as long as its competitor has been released

hasty kernel
#

I guess

wide ember
#

we are in the beginning of the dark age of video games

hasty kernel
#

But its not actively harmful design

#

Id argue that beginning came uh

#

8 years ago?

#

When Valve introduced lootboxes to the west

supple sleet
#

I prefer to think we're in the renaissance of niche/indie games.

hasty kernel
#

Were more in the peak

supple sleet
#

AAA games can, generally, go dunk themselves.

hasty kernel
#

At least, I hope its a peak followed by a decline

wide ember
#

dark age of AAA games and renaissance of indie games, like how medieval times were the dark age for europe and golden age for the orient?

hasty kernel
#

Well, if were talking like 12th century medieval times, I guess?

velvet fjord
#

indie games are up, aaa are down

we're in a time when cdpr breathing gets hailed as the new messiah of aaa gaming

hasty kernel
#

Ok to be fair, if Cyberpunk comes out the way it looks, it should be a legitimately good game

#

Im not fully convinced yet, and disappointed at the limited non-lethal options, but it does look promising

#

Overall I guess AAA games are down

#

All the big good studios either came crashing down or lost key developers

velvet fjord
#

yeah I'm hyped for it
I just get tired of the constant circlehandholding for the company

I think the last AAA game I bought was xcom 2

hexed hollow
#

the game ain't out yet, so exactly what options for both non-lethal and lethal can't really be extrapolated from what's been shown

hasty kernel
#

Well

#

They did show the skill tree

supple sleet
#

I think the issue is that the bar has been cut so low, Dr. P, that Cyberpunk shines above the rest merely by contrast.

hasty kernel
#

It had 4 non-weapon related options

#

Of which 2 were specifically about killing

supple sleet
#

@hexed hollow They just released a 14 minute deep dive video yesterday

#

That showed two of the potential builds.

hasty kernel
#

1 is hacking, one is athletics

#

The other 2 are the killing ones

#

And even hacking likely has skills specifically for killing

velvet fjord
#

tbf the source material wasn't very nonlethal friendly either
it's not deus ex

supple sleet
hasty kernel
#

I recall pacifist being a specific option in Cyberpunk 2020s character creator

supple sleet
#

I liked the Shadowrun plethora of non-kill options, tbh. You could definitely white hat that game.

velvet fjord
#

shadowrun hong kong is one of my favorite games

#

especially with how you can ||talk away the final boss, just like og fallout||

hasty kernel
#

Thats that xcom-style game, yeah?

velvet fjord
#

yeah

hasty kernel
#

Personally not a big fan of that gameplay style, but I liked the artstyle of SR:HK

velvet fjord
#

made by the original creator of the shadowrun/battletech ttg's, iirc

supple sleet
#

I was a 500 dollar KS founder for SR Returns <.<

hasty kernel
#

Thats neat

supple sleet
#

One of my favorite settings of all time.

hasty kernel
#

Im surprised we had so (relatively) little Cyberpunk stealth or action

#

It seems to always gravitate towards turn-based

#

Though I guess were getting Astral Chain

#

Which is kinda cyberpunk

supple sleet
#

And yes, Jordan Weisman was an original designer/writer/creator for Shadowrun

velvet fjord
#

way I see it is that it's very hard to make a cyberpunk stealth game without being called deus ex

#

same way that everything is a "soulslike" now

hasty kernel
#

I mean technically its hard to make a historic stealth game without being called Assassins Creed but that didnt stop people

#

But I guess Cyberpunk is more niche in general

#

Now I still wonder if WotC are gonna come out with a cashgrab Netrunner card game to cash in on CP2077

#

They gotta have revoked the license for something

velvet fjord
#

ngl I'd buy a netrunner video game
I love the card game

hasty kernel
#

It was so good

#

I mean it still is but it's hard to find players now

#

I wonder though, what kind of game would you want it to be?

velvet fjord
#

either a straight adaptation of the card game a la MTG Arena or maybe, wild idea, a slay the spire-esque roguelike?

hasty kernel
#

Hm

#

A runner starting from scratch, picking up daemons and discarded gear along the way

#

Could work

#

You would lose the asymmetry a little though, because it's hard to make the corp side work

velvet fjord
#

yeah

hasty kernel
#

Actually, I guess you could have the corpside be the reverse, continuous fights in which you weaken the runner leading up to a final showdown

supple sleet
#

We are seeing a lot of StS clones out there though, and I aint even mad about it. One of my favorites is for mobile, came to Steam later, Night of the Full Moon

velvet fjord
#

StS clones seem to be all the rage

I'm still kinda miffed that Griftlands became one

hasty kernel
#

Tried phantom rose, currently too flawed

#

Looking forward to one step from Eden though

#

StS with battle network gameplay

#

What was Griftlands again?

velvet fjord
#

Griftlands is Klei's new thing, egs only though

it was going to be a strategy game where you can talk people down rather than fight them, sorta like Renowned Explorers, but now it's turned into a StS roguelike thing

hasty kernel
#

Ah that one

#

It looked like it still had that conversation gameplay, was that changed?

velvet fjord
#

I think it still has that

somber ferry
#

i’ve been considering picking it up for a while. looks really interesting. love the character designs and art style too!

#

i’ve never played sts or any other game like it though so i have no idea if i’d actually like it, but i was definitely intrigued

velvet fjord
#

I am a fan of the art style

hasty kernel
#

Klei certainly has a distinct artstyle

velvet fjord
#

klei never skimps on their art

hasty kernel
#

Loved it since Mark of the Ninja

#

Also, you could try it and refund it if you find you dont enjoy the gameplay

#

At least I think that's an option

velvet fjord
#

does egs have refunds?

hasty kernel
#

Yes, I believe so

#

14 days of purchase, less than 2 hours of play

#

Same deal as steam, basically

supple sleet
#

In my Indie vs AAA studio article, Klei and Supergiant are the two I specifically reference as proof that Indie is too broad a category, considering some of the games that are on Steam. Basically I refer to those as shovelware anymore.

velvet fjord
#

problem is that we don't really have a term for anything that falls between the two categories

hasty kernel
#

I guess you could call studios like SGG "Indie-A" studios, but that sounds silly

#

But yeah, Indie is a spectrum at this point

supple sleet
#

There's been some movement to call things AA or Triple-I

hasty kernel
#

But getting people to split up the spectrum and use new terms is hard

supple sleet
#

And the other half of the problem is that the gap between the two categories tends to be pretty expansive.

hasty kernel
#

I'd also question if it's really neccessary

#

AAA also is a spectrum, and those terms have both been mostly useless

#

They can at best tell you the funding

#

Or perhaps the scale

wide ember
#

scale makes more sense

sharp grail
#

@faint panther have you played nier automata? it has an incredible OST

faint panther
#

No. Thoguh my friend highly recommended it. I should one day.

serene glacier
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yeah i should too

sharp grail
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are you alright with "music spoilers?" ill give you one of my favorite tracks

faint panther
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Anyways, what I was talking about. It's like.. the way the powerful bass-noiise kicks in whenever Oralech speaks in Pyre and it susually just the strings during narration in his scenes. Wish more games did little genius things like that.
Also yeah go ahead shoot.

serene glacier
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yeah dynamic soundtrack is great

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portal 2 did it too

faint panther
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Thats the word. Dynamic.

serene glacier
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whenever you go on gels or over bridges it adds a specific motif/element to the track

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and then valve stopped making singleplayer games so they haven't really used that tech since

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rip

velvet fjord
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and that printer malfunction on the faith plates

faint panther
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What a shame. Only other game I've played that really comes close to it is Furi with the way songs are matched with Boss Phases and the Narration.

serene glacier
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printer malfunction mixed with a posessed hard drive

velvet fjord
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turns out that song was actually the sound of them deleting the source engine

serene glacier
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of course The Friendly Faith Plate is basically straight up industrial

sharp grail
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one of my favorites from the ost, but its all fantastic

sharp grail
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the fact theyre not in any real language really adds to it imo

faint panther
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Yeah im loving it

sharp grail
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the game's deeper than it seems

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just... agh, so good, i love it. first one's ost is pretty great too

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Songs That Make You Instantly Cry

serene tulip
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FFXIV 7th Astral Era: ||Taledji Adeledji sends his regards||

vocal brook
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Why is the Grey Prince Zote fight so hard

:(

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I can beat every other boss in the boss rush easy, but I can hardly ever get past Zote

serene tulip
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||awww alphinaud looks so sad||

supple sleet
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Do you know why, Oceloctopus?

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OF COURSE NOT.

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Story skipper.

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sighs and looks at FFXIV Dangit... they won't let an account that has subbed use the free trial features. <.< Gonna be 55 bucks to get back into FFXIV with Shadowbringers.

supple sleet
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@copper lark There's a big ol' whale on sale on the Mog store šŸ˜› 2 person flying mount xD

ionic viper
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personally i’m quite tempted by the Actual Goddamn Motorbike

supple sleet
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Yeah I was eyeballing that too. <.< But since I ended up dropping 85 dollars on the game today, decided against it. Turns out you can't buy game time from the mog shop if your account is steam linked

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So I spent 30 bucks trying to get the gametime+phial of fantasia deal

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Got the phial. Can't cash in the game time. Can't get a return because I cashed in the phial.

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Not. Amused.

ionic viper
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oh, yeah, that. i specifically got the game on steam to make it easier for me to buy game time :V

supple sleet
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I don't get it, you can do anything else with codes, like items and stuff, but they won't let you do game time.

sharp grail
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no avoiding proxy swear ban, please banne

supple sleet
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Gah, sorry.

sharp grail
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banne rescinded chunky

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since proxy doesn’t catch it, it’s not an automatic delet, so it’s a harder habit to break in the server I bet

supple sleet
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Much. Especially since it's something I actually say in RL, a lot, so my brain puts it into my "speech patterns" when I'm typing.

hasty kernel
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I assume that its part of the steam agreement Valve and FFXIV have

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Or rather, Valve and Squeenix

supple sleet
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You still get 1 free Phial of Fantasia through the story, right @sharp grail ?

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Or do you even play FFXIV? <.< soz.

hasty kernel
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I wonder, how did "soz" come to be

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Usually with internet slang there is some logic behind it, like "gratz" just being congratulations shortened to congratz, then the con gets dropped

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But Im not sure how you go from sorry to soz

supple sleet
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Sorry
Sorries
Sorriez
Soz

hasty kernel
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Huh

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I cant say Ive ever heard the term "sorries" before, but that makes sense

hexed hollow
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I blame Australia and they're love of shortening literally everything

hasty kernel
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And yet your countries name is long

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Can you imagine if Australias name was officially changed to "Oz"?

hexed hollow
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yes, but we don't refer to ourselves as that most the time, it's either 'Straya or Aussie depending on context

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or Oz, that one does happen

hasty kernel
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Hell, if the country was just called Oz, Id move there just to be a stage magician

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Calling myself "The Wizard of Oz"

copper lark
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@supple sleet i wiiish i could get the whale or the moogle balloon

supple sleet
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Yeah, Moogle Balloon is a great 2 seater. It's also on sale. šŸ˜›

copper lark
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they’re still so expensive tho :/

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i’m v broke atm i just got a new pc lol

hexed hollow
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sends help It may take anywhere between 3 weeks and the heat death of the universe to arrive

copper lark
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thank u

north hamlet
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Will thoughts and prayers do?

copper lark
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they r appreciated in this time of need T_T

ionic viper
hasty kernel
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Huh, I cant open the image

hasty kernel
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That works

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Weird error

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Also nice, Civ 5

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Preferred victory type?

north hamlet
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Science and diplomacy

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I'm pretty good at turtle and moneymaking

hasty kernel
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Im a big fan of science as well

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Diplomacy felt a little hit or miss with the AIs though

copper lark
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i guess they never miss huh

hasty kernel
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Ok where the hell does that meme come from

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Ive seen it pop up a bunch lately

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And I dont get it

copper lark
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it resurfaced bc of the pokemon masters game

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the og meme is bc of tik tok

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its a song

hasty kernel
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Ah

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Ive just seen the Jojos version

quiet lake
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Good old Civ V

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My problem with Civ V is that the early phases of the game are the most fun?

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Exploring the map, founding cities, nabbing resources, developing tiles with your workers, meeting other civs.

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The late game slog to achieve a victory just isn't as amusing for me... šŸ˜…

hasty kernel
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Yeah I can actually agree with that

north hamlet
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Yeah, later in the game it's also harder to turn the game around

hasty kernel
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But it isnt really possible to make a game of just that phase, I guess

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My issue is that lategame if youre not going for a military win condition there isnt that much "gameplay" I guess

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And fights in civ 5 arent terribly interesting later on?

north hamlet
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They're only kinda interesting when you mess with the settings and go all in on them

hasty kernel
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Mmh

north hamlet
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But early game is still better

hasty kernel
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The big issue is that there often isnt enough space to do like, outmanouvering and other such strategies

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And its mostly just the guy with the bigger numbers wins

north hamlet
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You just kinda ram the enemy with a blob of units

hasty kernel
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Yup

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Or you pull a Ghandi

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Thats still my favourite bug turned feature tbh

north hamlet
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It's pretty great

serene tulip
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980 hours on DotA 2. You child.

copper lark
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yall r scary

hasty kernel
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Ive got like 8k hours in league

copper lark
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[small gasp]

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ive missed you....

analog spear
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2-3 hundred hours in heroes of the storm

hasty kernel
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Shame about that game

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It had some good ideas

analog spear
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Yea, talents where so cool

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Also cho-gall is the coolest character in any moba change my mind

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Endless hours of fun with a friend

hasty kernel
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Idk, Arthas is pretty cool

analog spear
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Ktz is also pretty chill

hasty kernel
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He is pretty rude though, giving everyone the cold shoulder

serene tulip
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I liked zag and probius

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I would love them in dota

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Particularly zag

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But we kinda have her in nature's prophet I guess.

hasty kernel
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I dont think theyre very similiar?

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Wait, you meant with the Nydus network?

analog spear
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Don’t talk about nydus network you’re giving me flashbacks

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I ended up maining medivh, and I think portals are something that would be fun in most mobas

hasty kernel
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Probably too disruptive in league