#off-topic-discussion

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ionic viper
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mmos be popular

copper lark
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that is correct actually sparrow

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i love having a rotation of

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ruin -> wait 2 seconds -> bio -> energy drain and repeat

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wait- you dont even have energy drain in low lvl dungeons

ionic viper
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yup!

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i have exactly three spells

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and i don't need to use one of them because the fairy heals constantly anyway.

copper lark
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im so sorry

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i went through most of the dungeons as arcanist instead of sch

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then i picked up ninja for a bit

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it gets more fun once you get the shields

serene tulip
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Is there something else you want to talk about @velvet fjord ?

velvet fjord
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no I had just realized that we talk about mmo's a lot

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idc about it was just observing

copper lark
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B) mmo gamers rise up

wide ember
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I can volunteer to add some birds to this channel

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but really where are bird mmorpgs

proper tendon
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I wonder if supergiant related tattoos are considered offtopic šŸ¤”

hasty kernel
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What would a bird MMORPG be?

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I think you could post those in #fan-works

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Or here

analog spear
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Or both

proper tendon
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fanworks is probably a way better channel for it ā¤ Thanks for the heads up šŸ˜‰

wide ember
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bird mmorpg is like regular mmorpgs but you play as bird people

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also there is a bird on my yard fence I waved at them all hey hey hey bird

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oh no by the time I turned my head away to type this and back they left

hasty kernel
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Yknow, strangely enough

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I dont know any MMOs where you can play as bird people

severe plover
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I mean thereā€™s aviary attorney but thatā€™s not an mmo

hasty kernel
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There are bird people in a lot of them

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Just not playable

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I know in GW2 Tengus (their bird people) are the probably most popular demand for a new playable race

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Even though I personally am more of a fan of the Largos

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Hmmm

copper lark
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right now we're trying to get bunny boys

hasty kernel
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Nope, not in wildstar either

copper lark
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perhaps bird people next

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rip wildstar

hasty kernel
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Taken too soon šŸ˜¦

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But yeah, I checked the ones I played

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Nothing

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Lots of cat and dragon people

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Occasionally some fish-like people

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But not bird

analog spear
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Imagine how squishy bird people would be

serene tulip
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can I be a rat person?

copper lark
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bird is hard

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wing hard

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rabbit people are enough like rat people right

analog spear
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Bones get crushed easy

hasty kernel
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See thats the thing Syd

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Theyre not playable

serene tulip
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no

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I'd have to be small

hasty kernel
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But bird races exist in most MMOs

serene tulip
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and have a long hairless tail

copper lark
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exactly

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they only exist for a little

hasty kernel
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Theyre not playable

copper lark
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because feather hard

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the only people to ever get feather physics right was eyepet

hasty kernel
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Eh I mean, making the base model once seems to not be that hard seeing how almost every MMO has them

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Plus its not like Fur is any easier

copper lark
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also ffxiv doesnt really have bird people

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our 'bird' tribe is

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barely bird like

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we have turtle people tho

analog spear
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Tortl!

hasty kernel
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Vanu Vanus are kinda bird-like

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And so are the Ixal?

copper lark
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i disagree

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which is why i said

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barely bird like

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i guess i agree with you actually

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we dont have bird people we have kinda bird tribes

analog spear
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WoW has space goats

copper lark
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also ixal are not bird like at all

analog spear
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What are they

copper lark
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they have feathers but

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gremlins

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stretchy long feathered gremlins

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we have bird dragons in shb

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free fantasia with a 60day code on ffxiv

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pog!

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SOMEONE stop me spending more money on the mogstation please

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the boots on this new attire are so cuteee

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i am SAVING for a level skip

analog spear
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Stop

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That good enough?

copper lark
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you cant stop me from browsing šŸ˜”

serene tulip
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Its probably unoriginal af but I just made a glamor plate with all the emperor's new ______ so that folks can panic at an unarmored tank

copper lark
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omg

hasty kernel
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Oh thats a thing?

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How about a cursed sentence then

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Male Lalafell tank with that glamour plate

copper lark
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im so mad why is the gear for smn so nice

wide ember
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...my own mother just did (pro)noun gender switch on me (used male then female then male again to address/describe me) I don't know what is going on

hasty kernel
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Short-term memory lapse?

wide ember
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at this point maybe my gender is as ambiguous as some manga characters

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to outsiders (and even some insiders)

hasty kernel
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Oh no, you have mastered the Androgynous look

wide ember
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I mean, I know my gender, but people debate and correct each other (sometimes all wrong) over it

hasty kernel
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That is powerful

buoyant frigate
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Hey, speaking of bird games

hasty kernel
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Or possibly annoying

buoyant frigate
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Have yā€™all heard of skater bird

wide ember
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skater bird? now I have

hasty kernel
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No but it sounds intriguing

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Though, wouldnt the ability to fly basically be cheating?

wide ember
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oh yes a round birb that wears headphones

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that is adorable

buoyant frigate
hasty kernel
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Also, I guess they didnt go for "Tony Hawk" because that name is trademarked, huh?

buoyant frigate
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They were just a skater bird

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They said see you later nerd

hasty kernel
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Yknow I wonder

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Why did that song achieve kind of cult status?

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Its not good

copper lark
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Take that back.

buoyant frigate
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Humans tastes can be plotted on a triangle called ā€œgood, funny, and badā€

hasty kernel
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Never Syd

buoyant frigate
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That song is precisely in the middle

hasty kernel
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I wish I could say I disliked All-Star for maximum outrage

tropic garden
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human, seren says, as if she is not,

hasty kernel
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But unfortunately, I do think the song is actually cool

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Oh youre QA now Ven?

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Congratulations

buoyant frigate
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Shhhh Ven theyā€™re not ready to know Iā€™m a catbird

tardy anchor
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its a good song, unovven,

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jhfhfhj you just had to be in the right frame of mind at the right age for avril lavigne to hit right

copper lark
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you know what slaps?

hasty kernel
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Get Lucky but beats 2 and 4 are switched?

copper lark
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coming home from school and playing singstar on the ps2

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singing avril lavigne while your mum is in the back desperately trying to get work done

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yall have not lived

hasty kernel
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Or my favourite meme mix

copper lark
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when i W

hasty kernel
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The best part is the "dadata dadata" part

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Hm, would Linkin Park be considered a guilty pleasure like Smash Mouth?

buoyant frigate
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Hey now,
All Star isnā€™t a guilty pleasure itā€™s a lifestyle

hasty kernel
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Fair

north hamlet
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Linkin Park is definitely a guilty pleasure if it's the older stuff

hasty kernel
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I mean Meteora was their best album

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And I dont care what anyone says, Breaking the Habit is an objectively amazing song

buoyant frigate
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I only know Numb

hasty kernel
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I never liked that one

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Well, I guess I didnt like it much at any rate

buoyant frigate
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Numb was my Middle School

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Too much time watching warrior cat music videos

hasty kernel
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Hm

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Now that I think about it, I think my middle school music taste was basically just the parts of the pop charts I liked

analog spear
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Wait what music videos?!?

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They have those?

severe plover
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@buoyant frigate GHGGG ok the warrior cats amv comment was too accurate,,,,,

hasty kernel
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Im guessing AMVs

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How you make AMVs out of books I do not know

severe plover
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Youā€™d be surprised

hasty kernel
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Though my experience is that nothing stops AMV makers

supple sleet
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Does anyone have a wifi home security camera that they'd recommend?

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Like one that goes above door, or in peephole, any of those.

analog spear
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No particular model, but make sure you change the default admin password, and you chose a model without any hard backdoors

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If you are looking at one, make sure you google for things like these

serene tulip
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Can I justify littering if the litter I'm leaving is covered in hornets?

north hamlet
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Why are there hornets on your litter

serene tulip
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Spilled some ramen juice on it

silver maple
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howā€™d you spill ramen juice on litter

hasty kernel
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What even is ramen juice

analog spear
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How did you spill ramen juice on the hornets

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If we call ramen water ramen juice, we need to call hotdog water hotdog juice

silver maple
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I hate it

analog spear
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And Iā€™m not ok with that

north hamlet
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I don't think juice is the appropriate way to refer to a broth

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At least call it a tea or something

analog spear
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NO

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hotdog tea is cursed

silver maple
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Does that make soup just tea with the leaves in it

hasty kernel
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Given that tea is just leaf soup

tardy anchor
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chicken noodle tea

hasty kernel
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Wait, does that make stew chunky tea?

tardy anchor
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hmmm depends how thick it is

silver maple
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Campbellā€™s new high protein chicken noodle tea

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Testing nowhere

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... you go to get iced tea at the store and itā€™s just a water bottle filled with chilly soup

hasty kernel
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Tbh, depending on the soup that doesnt sound too bad

north hamlet
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I hear cucumber mint is good cold

hasty kernel
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Food that is more practical to carry and eat on the go

serene tulip
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@silver maple it was the bag from my Togo order.

silver maple
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ohhh

hasty kernel
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Damn, Ramen ordered from overseas?

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You must be rich

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Though Im not sure why you wouldnt order it from Japan

serene tulip
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Going all tadano up in here

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Friggin mobile markdown

hasty kernel
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Also, guess I can mark off "making a pun on an african nations name" off my list

serene tulip
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uganda be kidding me

snow glade
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Why do I get the feeling that if Supergiant made Bouldy plushies they'd sell like hotcakes

serene tulip
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They couldn't get the rights to pet rocks

snow glade
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AHEM

Pet Boulders

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its clearly a completely different thing

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besides they might not even be pet boulders

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they could be advisors, allies, friends, silently judgmental balls of discontent and depression

the possibilities are infinite

velvet fjord
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companion boulders

snow glade
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now that just sounds inappropriate

supple sleet
north hamlet
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one of my friends showed me that

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i feel so much for the interviewer

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you can just see how sick she is of it

snow glade
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Like, good lord how little research do you have to do to conclude that not a single videogame has ever been made or imported into japan

it honestly baffles me how they thought they could say that as if it were truth

supple sleet
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It's staggering. It really is.

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RE the interviewer: Like, she's FOX News, and even she's like, "Wait, what?"

wide ember
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It is probably less stupidity and more a twisted form of power display

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If they can say something obviously false and still keep their authority, and repeatedly so, then their authority is power based rather than reason based, so it displays how much political power they hold and unshakablely so

faint panther
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I'm really confused and disappointed that California elected him.

wide ember
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People voted for him because 1) he was powerful and 2) they didnā€™t want those who want good social reforms to win

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By good social reforms I mean giving more rights to the vulnerable by taking the extra possessions from the rich

faint panther
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Yeah, my next thought was "Oh, right, Silicon Valley."

wide ember
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Gah I canā€™t sleep because of tooth pain, gotta call dentist tomorrow but will probably suffer for two weeks before it gets treated

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Itā€™s the tooth right next to the wisdom tooth

wide ember
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I know self diagnosis is generally not well regarded, but if I look at my tooth and see a small but visible black hole in it, I guess that means the tooth is in a bad shape

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also it hurts so much that I lost 3 nights of sleep

analog spear
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Ok so I know what you meant after rereading but at first I thought there was a singularity in your mouth

north hamlet
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that's probably a cavity

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if you've caught it early it's not a problem

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i got one like that this year

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not much pain for me though so yours might be worse

wide ember
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it feels like have a tiny singularity in my tooth, so maybe it runs pretty deep despite the diameter

north hamlet
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molars are a bit rubbish, they tend to have deep nooks that build up crud

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as long as it hasn't gotten so deep that the soft tissue is accessible i don't think it'll be a problem

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even if it seems deep

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it's pretty hard to make an accurate assessment of the back of your mouth

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just take extra care of your teeth until it gets checked?

wide ember
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I have to wait for 1 hour and 5 minutes before I can call the dentist (it's not opening time yet), maybe I can ask for emergency tooth fix

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I have a track record of bad dental health lol, maybe I don't chew enough gum

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I hope all of you learn from this rant and take cake of your teeth, especially the wisdom teeth and the ones next to them

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they are bugged, where do I press F10 in real life

north hamlet
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if it's what i think it is you'll be fine after like 2 hours of treatment

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and gum doesn't help your teeth

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get an electric toothbrush and make sure you clean the molars especially well, or get the fissures sealed preemptively

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preferably both

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also floss

wide ember
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I don't bleed when I floss okay, I do floss

north hamlet
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the electric toothbrush is probably the best thing for teeth ever

wide ember
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but yes I'll invest in better toothbrush after that

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they are expensive

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my toothbrushes are usually about $2 each

north hamlet
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yeah, that is pretty annoying

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probably still cheaper than dealing with health complications from improper care

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and i know you can buy cheap knockoff replacement heads for some brushes

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they work about as well, just lacking some of the more fanciful features

wide ember
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philips or oral-b?

north hamlet
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i don't think it matters that much, the improvement from manual is huge either way

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but i have an oral b because that's way easier to get and upkeep here

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go for whichever is most economical in time and money?

wide ember
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I wish we learned from crocodiles and trained birds for dental cleaning

north hamlet
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then you would have the cleanest teeth in the world

wide ember
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...oral-b 1000 black is $10 more expensive than oral-b 1000 baby blue

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do I protect my fragile male ego and pay the extra $10 or go for the light blue

buoyant frigate
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Go light blue, itā€™s a very Dental color for some reason so I doubt the judging consequences will be high

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If they are just keep it in the drawer/behind the mirror

somber ferry
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your teeth are more important than masculinity

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also baby blue is a great color

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also also donā€™t forget to floss!!!!!!!

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my dentist gave me a real hard time about it because while iā€™ve never gotten cavities he was like ā€œyouā€™re definitely gonna get one on this tooth over here if you donā€™t start flossingā€

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not fortnite flossing. that oneā€™s not dentist approved.

buoyant frigate
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Oof I need to floss more

wide ember
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don't worry I was joking about male ego and I do floss enough to not bleed when flossing (except where it's hurting right now, that one bleeds)

somber ferry
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:( oh no

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sorry about that one tooth

wide ember
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turns out the blue one isn't being sold from the actual oral-b store so I'll take black to make sure it's not an off-brand imitation

somber ferry
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oh yeah get your moneyā€™s worth

north hamlet
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Listen to sol everyone, take care of your bitey rocks

buoyant frigate
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Electric is sooo nice, a lot of modern toothbrushes have a timer in them too for 2 minutes with 4 30 second intervals so you actually brush your teeth the right amount

somber ferry
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yeah, i have an electric one, and itā€™s awesome

north hamlet
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Mine only has the two minutes so i tend to brush for two rounds, just in case

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Brushing is boring so i tend to lose focus

buoyant frigate
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It is a pretty menial task aha

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But! Sol it sounds like you have good dental care habits already so hopefully switching to electric will just make your teeth all that much happier

copper lark
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am i gonna watch WoW lore videos despite never playing past level 30

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: )

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y e s

buoyant frigate
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Iā€™m gonna watch WoW lore videos despite having never played the game at all

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I support u Syd

copper lark
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my mum plays wow and always needed ,, h e l p e rs

buoyant frigate
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Incredible...

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I played co-op Journey with my mom once

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For a game that has only 3 controls, she, uh, well sheā€™s out of practice

copper lark
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lmaooo

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i think im really lucky tbh

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my mum plays a lot of tomb raider,,,

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i guess... i have a gamer family B)

buoyant frigate
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ā€œGamers rise up youā€™re late to schoolā€

copper lark
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LMAO

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its both a blessing and a curse because

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its cool that she gets video games

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but then i see her scrolling on tumblr and stuff and im like

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oh god,,

buoyant frigate
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Rip....

hasty kernel
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Sounds interesting

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My parents used to play some videogames, but have stopped since

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Although my dad really liked trine

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So i might get him Trine 4 when that releases

wide ember
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when this generation has children, we would all become the gamer parents

hasty kernel
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Honestly I fear for this generations children

buoyant frigate
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my mom adored super mario bros 3

copper lark
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my dad likes anime instead of video games

buoyant frigate
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when I was little she would play it with us and beat the whole game but let us do bowser

copper lark
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which is a real dangerous one

buoyant frigate
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oh yeah that's risky

hasty kernel
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We know how to embarass them most effectively

buoyant frigate
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I have a friend who's mom likes anime

hasty kernel
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My dad just likes trashy action flicks

buoyant frigate
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we all watche Ouran together haha

hasty kernel
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As in, Micheal Bay levels of trashy

wide ember
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in a few decades, anime would be just like shakespeares and molieres

hasty kernel
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That is the single

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Most cursed

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Sentence I have read all year

buoyant frigate
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by then tho it would mainly be the cream of the crop

hasty kernel
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Or so we wish

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Instead itll be Naruto and DBZ

buoyant frigate
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Shakespeare wasn't the only playwrite of his time, just the most popular

hasty kernel
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"The symbolism of Ninja running"

wide ember
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don't forget one of the popular/trashy ones too

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shakespeare was popular because of his dirty jokes too

buoyant frigate
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you're right, I guess popular doesn't equate to good

wide ember
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so in a few decades, kill la kill would look like fine art

buoyant frigate
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but FMA, is both,

hasty kernel
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FMA will be the diamond in the rough

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At least stuff like Cowboy Bebop is actually legitimately popular

wide ember
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FMA is too sane, too good, too pure

hasty kernel
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And Lupin III, at least in Japan

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Yknow what I wonder though?

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What video games will be seen like the great literature classics?

wide ember
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baten kaitos

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or I wish, probably kojima games

hasty kernel
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Huh

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Yknow, Im not sure I would even mind that

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Metal Gear is just brilliant and insane enough to qualify

buoyant frigate
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I feel like games are going to go through what comics did

hasty kernel
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Oh

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Thats actually a fair take

buoyant frigate
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in that there will be the "big name classics" like certain American Superhero comics

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and then there's going to be the smaller scene of "serious games" and such

wide ember
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final fantasy series is already like that

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and the punk ones are shin megami tensei

hasty kernel
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I was thinking more that despite being older than television

buoyant frigate
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not all games are games as literature though, that's going to have to be a smaller category within the broader spectrum of digital interactive material

hasty kernel
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Comics arent really seen as a serious artform in the mainstream

buoyant frigate
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I wrote a 15 page paper on comics/graphic novels as serious literature

wide ember
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manga kind of is now, in japan, and manga is comic

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in japan and taiwan and china, the fandom is called the AGC fandom, which stands for Anime(ation), (video)Games, Comic

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or was it ACG

tardy anchor
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myst is gona be classic if it isnt already

hasty kernel
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Oh Im not saying they arent art

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Just that theyre not widely accepted as such

buoyant frigate
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Myst is a classic and I need to play it

tardy anchor
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yesssss

wide ember
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACG_(subculture)

ACG (subculture)

The ACG is an abbreviation of "Anime, Comic and Games", used in some subcultures of Greater China. Because a strong economic and cultural connection exists between anime, manga and games in the Japanese market, ACG is used to describe this phenomenon in relative fields. The t...

buoyant frigate
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They aren't widely accepted but they're moving that way

hasty kernel
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I do hope that at some point in the future, SGG will be remembered as studio that made great art

buoyant frigate
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mostly because people are starting to identify comics as education

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i do hope so as well aha

hasty kernel
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Cuz few things hit me like Transistor did

buoyant frigate
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of AAA games though, let's be real, PMD:Explorers of Sky is vastly underappreciated

wide ember
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people cry too much with PMD games so we don't mention them

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they are like the Good Omens of video games

hasty kernel
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I only ever played the DS game

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Explorers of ... time?

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I dont remember

buoyant frigate
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yes that's the one in the same gen as sky

hasty kernel
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I wasnt all that impressed by explorers of time

buoyant frigate
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blue/red, then time/darkness/sky

hasty kernel
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It was fun, it was decent, but it didnt really stand out

buoyant frigate
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how long ago did you play it?

hasty kernel
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Lets see

wide ember
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PMD are one of few thoughtfully done isekai works though

hasty kernel
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I want to say 11 years ago?

wide ember
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sounds more like blue/red

hasty kernel
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I got it just after it released, which was july 2008

buoyant frigate
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yeah it came out 2007 aha

hasty kernel
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I can agree on the Isekai thing, even though that doesnt mean much

wide ember
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time and darness did come out in april 2008

hasty kernel
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Isekai is basically "wasted potential, the genre"

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Im in europe

wide ember
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so maybe it was time or darkness after all

hasty kernel
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We got it a bit later

wide ember
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oh

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july 2008 indeed

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the first isekai were pretty cool though

hasty kernel
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Im gonna have to ask what the first ones were

wide ember
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like the traditional Wizard of Oz by L. Frank Baum in 1900?

hasty kernel
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Oh

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Thats uh

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An interesting take

wide ember
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in japan it was Twelve Kingdoms that started/codified the first batch of isekai literature though

hasty kernel
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Does that technically make Peter Pan an Isekai?

wide ember
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if we don't count all the invited/kidnapped to fairy type stories

buoyant frigate
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what is isekai

hasty kernel
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Stuck in another world, basiclaly

buoyant frigate
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ah

hasty kernel
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Could work as a "fish out of water" kind of story

wide ember
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isekai is when a person from a world like us gets tossed in a fantasy or just plain different world

hasty kernel
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Yknow, adapting to the unfamiliar, and learning to deal with it

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Instead ends up being trashy wish fulfilment 95% of the time

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See: SAO

wide ember
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wizard of oz is technically fitting all the modern isekai tropes, including becoming all OP in the other world

buoyant frigate
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that sounds like a really broad genre to generalize...

hasty kernel
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I always hated that trope

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Youd think so

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But despite being so broad, its legitimately mostly that

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Guess it just sells better

wide ember
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it takes no braincell to read, and you get wish fulfillment

hasty kernel
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Personally I kind of want an Isekai where a great and powerful magician gets stuck in our world

wide ember
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it's the junk food of literature

hasty kernel
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And has to adapt to being a powerless nobody

wide ember
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oh, we have that

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the devil is a part-timer

buoyant frigate
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isn't The Devil's A Part Timer

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yeah

hasty kernel
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Ah

wide ember
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the anime is rather well made

buoyant frigate
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it's a comedy anime, is dumb but also very fun haha

#

my friend and I binged it all in one night haha

wide ember
#

there's also Majin Tantei Nōgami Neuro

hasty kernel
#

I see

#

Well, I wouldve gone for a more regular slice of life, but that works

wide ember
#

Neuro is a demon who came to our world to eat mysteries, but since his body cannot adapt he gets weaker and weaker

#

there were several others too, can't remember

#

Saint Young Men is technically reverse isekai too right?

hasty kernel
#

Thats the one with Buddha and Jesus, right?

wide ember
#

yes

#

they should not be using their powers in our world and must live in a cheap apartment

#

but if I say Saint Young Men is reverse isekai manga, then Good Omens would be reverse isekai novel

#

and I don't know what do about that

copper lark
#

my friend is obsessed with isekai

#

she cantwatch any of my recs without complaining that its not an isekai

hasty kernel
#

Please tell me at least that the Isekai she watches arent bad

copper lark
#

nah

#

her favourite anime is the rising of the shield hero (?)

hasty kernel
#

That one is supposedly alright?

buoyant frigate
#

So today I learned: pumpkin spice Greek yogurt was a mistake

serene tulip
#

lol

#

I can definitely imagine that being weird

somber ferry
#

oh

#

oh no

buoyant frigate
#

The sourness of the yogurt just really doesnā€™t play nice with the pumpkin and spice

supple sleet
#

Late to the party, but have you folks heard of LitRPG/GameLit? (In response to Isekai)

buoyant frigate
#

No, havenā€™t :0 what is it?

supple sleet
#

*points to #self-promotion * I actually wrote an article about it, easier to just point you towards that.

buoyant frigate
#

Kk

supple sleet
#

But the tl;dr is: It's a genre of fiction where people are inside video games. Usually VRMMORPGs, but sometimes "portal LitRPG" ends up being very similar to Isekai

hasty kernel
#

So, basically SAO

#

Except potentially not horrible

supple sleet
#

Some of it is like that, yes.

#

It's a pretty broad genre at this point. Most of it is also self published and unpolished, but some of it is really fun.

silver maple
#

Does Ready Player One technically count

hasty kernel
#

Well, not ... exactly?

#

Youre not stuck in it

supple sleet
#

That's Isekai's rule, that's not a rule of GameLit.

#

Many people consider RPO as GameLit, yes.

hasty kernel
#

I see

velvet fjord
#

sao abridged is the only way to watch sao and no one can change my mind otherwise

supple sleet
#

But I really am not one of them. If you did a venn diagram, there would be a lot of overlap, but it'd be in the 2 circle section, not the central 3 overlap, if that makes sense?

hasty kernel
#

Yeah SAO Abridged is actually kinda good

#

Helps that it turns it into a comedy and makes the main character as unlikeable as his actions portray him as

velvet fjord
#

also there's a bastion reference in episode 2

it all ties together

copper lark
#

sao was like my second anime i ever watched

#

So i hold it dear to my heart

hasty kernel
#

We all make mistakes when we are young

copper lark
#

but. oh man kirito wyd bud

hasty kernel
#

Honestly with SAO Id say the basic concept, and the first 10-20 minutes are actually good

#

The rest is horrible

copper lark
#

someone painted kirito on one of the doors of the art rooms

#

at school

#

asuna? is that her name

#

best girl

#

the first season really isnt that bad

hasty kernel
#

It really is

copper lark
#

you just have to pretend most of it isnt happening

hasty kernel
#

Like

#

I can get over the countless plotholes

#

The fact that the base plot doesnt make sense

copper lark
#

doesnt it

hasty kernel
#

The fact that the author likely hasnt played MMOs before given how awfully SAO the game is designed

velvet fjord
#

I'm not a huge anime fan but saoabridged has so much better writing than the actual thing imo
there's a lot better character development and the ending actually makes sense as a commentary on game design

supple sleet
#

Alright, let's avoid making blanket statements about something being objectively bad when someone offers a different subjective opinion.

hasty kernel
#

But the way it treats its characters is a big yikes

#

Yeah the plot doesnt make sense

#

I mean, hell, why did the bad guy do what he did?

copper lark
#

why does any bad guy do what they do

velvet fjord
#

I loved the fact that ||everyone is trapped not because of malice, but because the developer is incompetent and just panicked about release dates||

copper lark
#

th at would be me

hasty kernel
#

I mean, they usually have a motivation or reason

#

Even if that reason is evil

#

In SAO, he doesnt have one

#

Im not sure the writer himself knows what the reason was

#

And yeah, SAO Abridged really drag that through the mud

#

And actually gave us a reason that is stupid, hilarious but also makes sense

copper lark
#

if this is ur complaints abt the first season

supple sleet
#

@copper lark Apparently because vidya games told them to. <.<

copper lark
#

oh boy dont watch the other 3

#

lmaoo

hasty kernel
#

I mean I watched the GGO anime that came out recently

#

I actually reasonably liked it

#

Because it was just about people playing a VRMMO as a form of escapism

#

Having fun, finding friends

copper lark
#

shakes as i play ffxiv def not as escapism

hasty kernel
#

Well not everyone does

#

But it makes for a better story

copper lark
#

that was sarcasm

supple sleet
#

We're getting so close to legit VRMMOs. I'm putting it at 10 years.

copper lark
#

i dont have nearly 800 hours on this game for funsies im afraid

hasty kernel
#

But yeah, straight up a quote form the big bad of SAO season 1

#

"Why you ask? For a long time, even I had forgotten. Why did I do this?"

supple sleet
#

We're interfacing electronics with the brain in amazing ways.

copper lark
#

its s cary

hasty kernel
#

If you mean VRMMOs like that

#

I doubt itll ever happen

copper lark
#

i really dont like VR headsets theymake me feel sick

#

and the fact its becoming a common way to play games gives me anxiety lol

supple sleet
hasty kernel
#

Straight up brain interfacing requires us to know the full effects, which in turn means we have to know how the whole brain works

#

Which were far off from

copper lark
#

i blame black mirror for all my paranoia tbh

supple sleet
#

Nah, it doesn't require the whole brain at all.

#

Only the sensory areas, and we're getting really good at that stuff.

hasty kernel
#

Oh you dont mean quite like SAO

#

Hm

#

Well, I suppose, but that leaves the issue of the whole vision/motion disparity

supple sleet
#

We've created technology that can restore limited sight to the blind, hearing to the deaf, and touch to amputees.

hasty kernel
#

Yeah I knew of the first 2

supple sleet
hasty kernel
#

Big issue is still vision/motion disparity

supple sleet
#

We've already got electroneuro interfaces. What scifi essentially calls "Datajacks"

wide ember
#

There was actually a game lit isekai where the video game was used to heal the protagā€™s brain damage

copper lark
#

Not to be that person but technology to help climate change could be cool

supple sleet
#

@wide ember Yeah there's a couple of those I think. There's several where people get uploaded after they die.

hasty kernel
#

Syd, spoilers

copper lark
#

im right tho

hasty kernel
#

Also syd, that tech would be cool

#

You are, yes

#

Buuut

#

The thing with climate change is we cant magic it away

#

Just gotta reduce emissions

supple sleet
#

Reducing emissions at this stage isn't enough.

copper lark
#

i already regret bringing it up

wide ember
#

The protagonist was one of the engineers of the machine for the game and after almost getting assassinated he was put in it for neuro recovery, and was stuck until heā€™s healed, then he found out it wasnā€™t a machine that mimicked photoreality, but a karmic/Akashic calculator

supple sleet
#

Anyway, time to make some coffee and breakfast.

hasty kernel
#

I mean, its not enough to fully fix it

#

But its enough to soften the blow

supple sleet
#

No, but it does need to happen.

#

Yeah

copper lark
#

Anyway

wide ember
#

Also the early .hack anime played with that, hospitalized girl played as male protagonist and we donā€™t find out until the end

supple sleet
#

Also sounds vaguely like Lawnmower Man. šŸ˜›

wide ember
#

And she turned bisexual

hasty kernel
#

Thats

wide ember
#

*out to be

hasty kernel
#

Ah

#

Ok

serene tulip
#

are we talking about deus ex human revolution where There was some cool climate change technology ||that also somehow was a mind control antenna? I'm not sure what exactly was going on there||

wide ember
#

Phone auto correct, no she was never monosexual

hasty kernel
#

Yeah it just sounded like the game implied that changing sexuality is a thing

#

Which is uh, not the case and kind of dangerous to say

#

Also I dont recall Deus Exs plot fully, but ||Wasnt the climate change part just a front for the true purpose?||

wide ember
#

I remember it as front too

#

ok I'm on PC now I'll just clarify the .hack//sign thing: in the game and for the first part of the series, we get this meek boy protag tsukasa and strong girl love interest, but at the end of the series, we find out the protag boy is a ill girl in a hospital who was kind of assigned male by her father, and the girl love interest is a girl on wheelchair

#

so basically kind of the original san junipero story but neither of them dies, they are both young and disabled but they are going to be okay in real life from now

copper lark
#

I dont remember san junipero oops

#

uh

wide ember
#

the black mirror episode

copper lark
#

yeah i know hfsjkbfdg

#

OH

#

I DIDNT WATCHTHAT EPISODE

#

thats why

wide ember
#

same couple dynamic really, meek lesbian girl meets strong bisexual woman

copper lark
#

how i want to live tbh

wide ember
#

but san junipero is a downer compared to .hack//sign ending

copper lark
#

not suprising

#

its black mirror

wide ember
#

(.hack//sign is more meek bi meets strong bi)

#

black mirror san junipero was actually celebrated for being a lot more cheerful than more black mirror episodes

#

but it was still a black mirror episode so it was a bittersweet with heavy bitter

wide ember
#

subject change: thanks to pet the dog twitter I learned that you may be able to pet the bird in skatebird in the future

#

we need a can you pet the bird twitter

copper lark
#

i would be playing hades right now but

#

it seems i have a crippling addiction to ffxiv

glass sparrow
#

How does one get roles

copper lark
#

#bot-commands :3

glass sparrow
#

Thank you ā¤

copper lark
#

check pinned in there

serene tulip
#

Petty things I'm still mad about #43: that one time I was playing multi-player civ 6 and my friend declared war on me because I just wanted to scoot my ship past her cities so I could explore.

ionic viper
#

@copper lark that's a mood, you realise how hard it was to put down xiv so i could go hades

copper lark
#

t_t

#

so close to finishing shb tho.. its killin me

supple sleet
#

BTW, Queen Latifah as Ursula might be the best thing this year.

copper lark
#

shb music is giving me ace attorney vibes

#

im enjoying it a lot.

wide ember
#

I just played hades for way too long

tardy anchor
#

same

ionic viper
#

hey @copper lark i'm curious - what's your favourite shb music track? or ffxiv in general

copper lark
#

ahhh i cant remember the name of it

#

it plays in la noscea lemme find it

#

i also like the sea of clouds theme

ionic viper
#

it might be a really generic response but my favourite track overall is answers and my favourite shb track is either the main theme or a long fall

copper lark
#

thats fair tbh

#

my fav shb track is probably the titania theme

ionic viper
#

we're both wrong tho

copper lark
#

and the rak'tika greatwoods theme lol

ionic viper
#

clearly the best shb track

#

LA-HEE

#

YEAH

copper lark
#

FSDJHKGFDGFD

#

i found it!

#

this place is part of the scholar questline and both the area and music are really pretty

#

makes me miss ARR : (

#

the inn theme is also very good

ionic viper
#

ahhh yes

#

the miniboss theme for FATEs is so good too

copper lark
#

i havent done many fates ill be honest

#

and. i also had music muted for all of stormblood and heavensward

#

full permission to hit me

#

ohh relistening to the titania theme

#

i need to redo that trial but nerves

#

....... time to get my glamour prisms out i dont wanna look at this anymore

serene tulip
supple sleet
#

I swear we need a channel just for FFXIV stuff xD

copper lark
#

ohh hell yeah oce

supple sleet
#

Not that I mind it, we just talk about it a lot ā¤

copper lark
#

I apologise

#

ive found that im using here to vent all my ffxiv stuff bc my ffxiv partner is away for 2 weeks lol

supple sleet
#

Like I said... I'm not objecting, and no apology needed. I just like things in neat categories, and it's a great subject.

copper lark
#

yeah

#

but i suppose it doesnt have a place seeing as this is a supergiant themed chat lol

supple sleet
#

Well, it IS Off-Topic channel. shrugs It was meant as an off-cuff comment, not a criticism. I'll shush.

copper lark
#

OH im osrry i didnt mean it like that

#

youre fine fhgjfdgdfg

hasty kernel
#

You mean your former girlfriend?

copper lark
hasty kernel
#

... I guess that was not the best phrasing

#

But she ended up replying I take it?

copper lark
#

yeah

hasty kernel
#

Thats good

wide ember
#

I just hurt my shoulder opening a bottle of ramune drink

#

this design is so pointlessly difficult to open (and impossible to re-seal) for modern time

north hamlet
#

I know some brands just have normal screw caps

#

Also a larger volume of the stuff

#

My fear when i open them is pinching my hand between the top of the bottle and the push tool they give you

copper lark
#

opening ramune is half the fun????

north hamlet
#

I love the old fashioned design too, but it is pretty risky

#

My favourite part is when you can get the glass ball out at the end

copper lark
#

w

supple sleet
#

Apparently free float day at A&W

serene tulip
#

@copper lark did you get my mail?

wide ember
#

I'm pretty sure we are not supposed to get the glass marble out but now I'm tempted

north hamlet
#

It depends on the make of the bottle

#

With the sangaria brand it's quite tricky, which is a shame because i also think it's the tastiest

#

I think the kimura ones have the ball in a screw on cap so you can take it off and get the ball after

#

Otherwise you have to fight through the plastic or glass the hard way

copper lark
#

i did oce! ty for the pillbug lmao

copper lark
#

TFW all the duty roulette hero in need things are tank

#

T_T

copper lark
#

I THINK Im on the last shb dungeon

#

im not enjoying the boss

#

i am not on the final shb dungeon rooFeels

serene tulip
#

@copper lark FFXIV needs more gay plz

copper lark
#

this is true

#

however

#

we have nb rep in shb

ionic viper
#

if you think about it, the fact that the trailer/ā€˜canonā€™ warrior of light is a dude makes the fact that so many of the male npcs fall in love with the wol so much better

blissful charm
#

@serene tulip pg server dude

copper lark
#

yeah

#

canon WoL is a chad tho

#

i want to punch him

ionic viper
#

no heā€™s not i want to tuck him into a warm bed and give him a mug of tea to drink

#

He Needs To Rest

copper lark
#

gfgfiughfkjbfng

serene tulip
#

@blissful charm you know how PG movies have a buncha hidden adult jokes in it?

#

I feel like acknowledging the existence of what I said is like that.

#

I may have alienated myself from my FC because I may or may not have posted pictures of two guys H*lding H*nds to their NSFW channel

copper lark
#

i dunno where the healer questline starts

#

and i cant finish shb until i do it : (

#

I FOUND IT

#

400k gil and nowhere to spend it

#

life is hard

serene tulip
#

You could buy me archaeodemon horns >.>

#

but I already got mine

#

so

copper lark
#

hmm

ionic viper
#

......i have like 1.2mil and i donā€™t know where i got it all

copper lark
#

chokes

ionic viper
#

i ended up w like 600k in the trial and then suddenly even more money happened

copper lark
#

oh heck moonfire faire starts today

serene tulip
#

uuugh

#

I hate running dungeons as a tank for the first time

copper lark
#

yeah ;; itsucks

#

thats why i could never play tank

ionic viper
#

flashes back to the time i had to do brayflox's longstop for the main quests and i had the genius idea of queueing for it as a tank

copper lark
#

F

serene tulip
#

That's the one I'm on right now

#

I'm scurred

#

maybe I'll level up my lancer so that I can go through as Deeps first?

copper lark
#

i hate brayflox's longstop with a passion šŸ˜”

#

ive run it twice

#

and hated every moment

#

the caster gear from there is nice tho

#

just yall wait until the dungeons with unskippable cutscenes

#

whew

serene tulip
#

Why do those even exist?

#

I've been skipping all cuscenes since that one for Ifrit lasted like, 2 minutes

#

~The Bowl of Embers~

#

and I was like, "my party is actually waiting for me so, I'm, uh, I'm gonna just go....."

#

Then the fight itself is almost shorter than the cutscene

copper lark
#

they exist because

#

people would rush ahead

#

locking new players into cutscenes

serene tulip
#

don't lock new players either

copper lark
#

by the time they got out, the dungeon was finished

#

yeah but

serene tulip
#

add in a "watch this cutscene outside of the dungeon" option

copper lark
#

theres the time it takes to skip the cutscene

#

it caused issues

serene tulip
#

Also my title is bug girl

#

and this amuses me to no end

copper lark
#

i w a n t t h a t ti t le

serene tulip
#

You have to have the Off to the Races acievement

copper lark
#

me and this other guy got softlocked in this 45 minute dungeon

#

epic

ionic viper
#

actually you can rewatch cutscenes

serene tulip
#

All you have to do is participate in a sanctioned chocobo race

copper lark
#

you can but

#

help us

#

please

#

the others dont know

ionic viper
#

yes how dare people want to see the story

copper lark
#

i think we might be trapped here forever

#

thats not

#

what we were saying

#

huh

#

OH NO WE'RE DUMB

#

THERE WAS ANOTHER THING WE COULD HAVE USED

ionic viper
#

you can rewatch cutscenes in the "the unending journey" in the inn rooms

#

that's what i was talking about when i said you can rewatch cutscenes

#

on the other hand, i don't really mind people watching them in the dungeon

copper lark
#

yeah

#

i dont mind either

#

the issue is the cutscenes in these dungeons

#

theyre like 5 minutes long

#

so if someone skips and someone else wants to watch it

ionic viper
#

ah, fair enough

copper lark
#

its gonna cause big issue

#

thats why im not mad theyre unskippable

#

i just think it could have been done better

ionic viper
#

yeah iirc there's like two specific dungeons where they're unskippable for the exact reason of "new players need to watch this for story, older players just want to go go go go"

copper lark
#

yep

#

thats the msq duty roulette

#

they increased the exp given from those dungeons so older players will still want to play them

#

i get like 15 million exp from one run

ionic viper
#

to be fair, in...... thousand maws of toto-rak? i think that's the one with the big scorpion boyo at the end? i actually missed the entire final boss because i wanted to watch the cutscene

copper lark
#

yeah :/ some people are really mean abt that

ionic viper
#

i heard the little twinkle noise that meant the boss arena was going to seal and i was just like "nah i wanna watch this"

copper lark
#

its harder with the thousand maws tho because it sucks you in doesnt it

ionic viper
#

yeah

#

i guess i was just stood there

copper lark
#

you can teleport to sealed areas in these dungeons

#

which is good

#

in raids u can too

#

but you get automatically taken to alliance A's point

#

the worst part abt these dungeons is the voice acting

ionic viper
#

i did the quest earlier where - hang on, oce's further back than this, i'll spoiler tag it - where ||it turns out marques is cid||, and the old church dude in that cinematic had the WORST voice acting

copper lark
#

LMAO

#

voice acting is significantly better in hw

ionic viper
#

yeah

#

i'll miss taliesin jaffe as thancred and gideon emery as urianger but sacrifices must be made russiasalute russiayell

copper lark
#

i was so shook when i heard gideon emery

ionic viper
#

YEAH

#

like you're telling me this NERD is voiced by fenris?????

copper lark
#

LMAO

#

they may both be elves but thats the only similarity

#

for example

#

i wanna kiss fenris

#

i wanna kiss urianger but then kick him in the shins

ionic viper
#

hm. fair

serene tulip
#

lol, so none of my party wanted to do any of the extra treasures

ionic viper
#

yeah they usually don't

serene tulip
#

but I still got cavalry cuirass and greaves

copper lark
#

im guilty of doing that im sorry

serene tulip
#

I mean

ionic viper
#

i still can't believe how urianger changed in shb to be honest

serene tulip
#

I don't blame them if they already have better gear

#

but cavalry gear is way better than what I currently have

copper lark
#

it is a bit odd to me?

ionic viper
copper lark
#

i dont think i can say much

#

because i really dont want to spoil you guys

ionic viper
#

to this

copper lark
#

hes uh

serene tulip
#

why can't I dye it

copper lark
#

hes lookin pretty hot there

serene tulip
#

my cavalry gear needs to lose weight

copper lark
#

you cant dye most unique stuff

serene tulip
#

they need to be able to diet(hahahahahahahahahahahah)

ionic viper
#

i think some of the low level stuff has higher-level versions that can be dyed

copper lark
#

haha 4 stage boss fight now

velvet fjord
#

hey guys

#

croc gloves

copper lark
#

i want them

ionic viper
#

more compact arr story

copper lark
#

** wo n d e r fu l**

ionic viper
#

"hey, so, i know you just killed titan, but i need you to go get cid some tools."

copper lark
#

i hope they bring trust system to pre-shb

#

lore prevents that tho

ionic viper
#

aw but i want to team up with my fwends :c

serene tulip
#

how do I level up in my grand company?

#

I'm tired of being a private third class

#

and also I've maxed out the little scrip things that gave me

copper lark
#

FATEs give you thingys

#

oh

#

lol ask for a promotion

#

uhh

#

i cant remember what its called

#

what company are you under

serene tulip
#

oh hey

#

I'm a flame corporal now

copper lark
#

hell yeah

serene tulip
#

turns out you can get pretty far with 10000 thingies

copper lark
#

for a guy with a 5 minute monologue

#

his fightsure is quick

serene tulip
#

ifrit?

copper lark
#

nop

#

also oce

#

u can set it so it automatically skips cutscenes youve already seen

#

you mentioned skipping that cutscene alot

serene tulip
#

where do I do that?

copper lark
#

erm

#

in one of the settings,, ,somewhere

#

probablky under gameplay

serene tulip
#

I found it

#

Friggin' lazy DPS folks

#

wait 15 minutes to get into a dungeon

#

only to miss the call

copper lark
#

lmaooo

#

dps queue times are half the reason i main healer

#

AHHHH

#

IM LEVEL 80

#

thank you ffxiv very cool

#

AHHH i have a new faerie...

serene tulip
#

lol

copper lark
#

ive unlocked moonfire faire for 5 minutes and im already tearing my hair out

serene tulip
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what is that?

copper lark
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seasonal event

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parkour challenge is the main event tbh

serene tulip
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where do I go to do it?

copper lark
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upper decks of limsa

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then you have to have costa del sol

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everyones arguing over battered fish

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god this is a disaster

serene tulip
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what do you need battered fish for?

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I have the culinary to make it but none of the ingredients

copper lark
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quest

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each one you give you get a token

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im planning on buying them from the market board

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id buy them from the market board now until losers inflate the prices

serene tulip
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I'm gonna buy haddock from a merchant and put it on the board >.>

copper lark
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the outfits really cute

serene tulip
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Popotos are the only one you can't buy from vendors for pretty cheap

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excuse me while I go harvest a bajillion of them

forest narwhal
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Hi

copper lark
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o/

forest narwhal
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Anyone have some experience witch 27" QHD monitors?

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Preferable IPS/VA displays

serene tulip
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lol there are a lot of people harvesting popotos right now

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@copper lark how many battered fish do folks need?

copper lark
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1 battered fish = 1 token

serene tulip
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and what are the token costs of things?

copper lark
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for a jacket thing its 2 tokens

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most things are 2 tokens

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nothing is more expensive than that

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im still offering fish oce fhbsdjgdfb i have like 6? now

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5*

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whoops

serene tulip
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nah

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I'm gonna make my own

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and give em to my FC and stuff

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and sell them

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you can have some if you want

copper lark
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ty ur a dear

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im good tho

serene tulip
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I have 42 popotos

copper lark
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sigh

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im gonna buy everything from the vedors

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oce! where u at can i test something w u

serene tulip
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I'm in eastern thanalan harvesting popotos

copper lark
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ah ok

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nvm

serene tulip
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I'm in limsa now

ionic viper
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okay i'm filing a complaint, can the shb menu theme stop kicking my ears whenever i launch the game

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i launch the game, tab away to check discord while it loads, and SUDDENLY A CHORUS OF VOICES

copper lark
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FGFDDJGKFD

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ive spent far too much time procrastinating at moonfire faire

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but why does it feel so good to be here

serene tulip
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oof

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I forgot that culinarian has weird math

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so I bought enough materials for uh. 800 salt apparently

ionic viper
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i refuse to level culinarian

serene tulip
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its the most useful crafter tho

upbeat scroll
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Level 99 culinarian can craft "whole stuffed camel"

serene tulip
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Um... I didn't know I needed that

ionic viper
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JUMPING PUZZLE? :C

copper lark
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it gives you literally nothing

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its easier to make the battered fish and hand in 4 of those

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than do the jump

serene tulip
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oh wow

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I can't quick synthesis battered fish?

ionic viper
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okay the hardest part of the jumping puzzle is other people

serene tulip
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@ionic viper are you on marborolfo?

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cuz if so I can give ya some battered fish

ionic viper
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no

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i should really work out how many items i want

copper lark
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i have gotten everything ngl

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except the fireworks

serene tulip
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"The first to win 4 fair tickets will be the winner" the catboi says to the lady carrying 58 battered fish

copper lark
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fjbrbrfk

serene tulip
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oh my god I have to turn in one at a time?

ionic viper
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i'm just gonna get the apparel

copper lark
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yeah

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i got the pool too because me and my friend just really want a pool

ionic viper
copper lark
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spriggan is lit as ever i see

ionic viper
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aaand second complete of the jumping puzzle

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honestly it's not that hard

serene tulip
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don't mind the lady in the heavy plate armor just straight up floating on her back in the ocean

copper lark
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DOES ANYONE wanna help me beat up urianger

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ive had it

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im gonna go feral

serene tulip
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puts a little enclosure with food and water dishes out for feral syd

copper lark
serene tulip
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I'm so sore right now x.x

arctic basalt
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rull excited about borderlands 3 lads... that is all

copper lark
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havent played any borderlands games

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but im excited too

silver zephyr
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They are reall damm fun, you should try them out

upbeat scroll
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Someone just said shaquille o neal in airport loudspeaker

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Maybe it's prank

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But maybe it's real

silver zephyr
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After 550 ish hours in BL2, i kinda maxed everything out and still enjoy the game a ton

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@upbeat scroll one way to find out

copper lark
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ahh i really dont like first person shooters.. i would play them

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my friend gifted me bl2

upbeat scroll
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I've got a plane to catch I can't just run around finding shaq

arctic basalt
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also sorry what's the cartoon network show with the like... blue and pink bunny critters

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because I seem to be watching a FULL ON FF7 parody

tardy anchor
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gumball?

copper lark
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gumball would def do that

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but they arent bunnies

hasty kernel
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Amazing World of Gumball

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And yes, they did

copper lark
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wait

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they did do that didnt they lmaooo

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i forgot

hasty kernel
wide ember
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tumblr again

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I sort of miss it

hasty kernel
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Its still around

wide ember
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yes but not the same

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only a hollow shell of its former self

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a webcomic that gets over 100k views and 21k followers would only get like 41 likes+shares now

hasty kernel
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Eh

tardy anchor
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hjgvjfhjfhjfhj UWU...

hasty kernel
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I cant say I noticed much of a downtick in activity

wide ember
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I can link you to the comic if you want to see the difference yourself

hasty kernel
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Most webcomics moved to their own site though

wide ember
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that one has tumblr as its main/own site though

copper lark
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^^ check, please! did that

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oop

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arrow blocked

hasty kernel
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Well, maybe its just not as popular as it once was

wide ember
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ah yes the gay canadian hockey comic

hasty kernel
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Homestuck isnt the titan it once was

copper lark
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check please used to be so good rooFeels

wide ember
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homestuck ended

copper lark
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yeah homestuck isdead

wide ember
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modus operandi basically stopped updating

hasty kernel
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Even before it ended

wide ember
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I miss the whole "monday monday monday! bench press your mom! it's modus operandi!" posts every week

hasty kernel
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Also, Homestuck is the only webcomic with a proper continuity I ever read

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"Proper continuity" being a very loosely defined term

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Yknow what I miss?

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OC Tournaments