#off-topic-discussion

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copper lark
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that’s so cute

sharp grail
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so I asked him “did you get something good in a gacha game”

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and he was like “...yes”

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guilty as charged

copper lark
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AHAH ok mood tho

sharp grail
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I try to stay away from it because like, that gambling for pngs man

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it makes me feel so bad

acoustic walrus
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lu

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l

copper lark
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maybe it’s just me but

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everything seems brighter from 9S’ pov

sharp grail
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he’s a cheerful and emotive guy

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dang I wanna replay now lol

copper lark
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pls let 9S take 2B shopping

hybrid spade
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happy trans day of visibility everyone :) 💙 🌺 ⬜ 🌺 💙

cunning holly
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transburg

tardy anchor
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the donkey kong emote omg

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cute...

somber yoke
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perfect day to have my pfp

copper lark
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donkey kong said trans rights!

somber yoke
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in other news, this turns up near the top of trans minecraft skins

cunning holly
serene tulip
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tempted to buy discord nitro just so I can get that transburger emote

rain mortar
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I love Nitro so much. I am a sucker for collecting emotes

serene tulip
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finally convinced me to add some custom emotes to my server

haughty axle
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any mtg players here?

serene tulip
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Ah Nicol Bolas

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How many times can Wizards make him the big bad before it gets boring?

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(not that I don't love him)

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(i used to have him as the summon elder dragon legend card back in the day)

haughty axle
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this is basically the culmination of all of his schemes since the mending

serene tulip
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they Say that

haughty axle
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well, they're going balls to the walls with this set

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36 planeswalker cards

serene tulip
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jeepers

haughty axle
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33 of which arent even mythic

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i suspect a lot of walkers are gonna die

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especially gideon

serene tulip
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but how are we going to reproach things?

haughty axle
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one of the new planeswalkers seems to be monowhite

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he can reproach things probably

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or maybe ajani can do it

serene tulip
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Ajani's Reproach. Summon four 1/1 cat soldiers, they block target attacking creature.

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that actually would be pretty awesome

haughty axle
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would probably have to be more expensive though

serene tulip
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oh yeah

haughty axle
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or upshifted in rarity

haughty axle
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oh and btw

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war of the spark will have a planeswalker card in each pack

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and 20 of the planeswalker cards are uncommon

velvet fjord
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my lifelong goal has been to get Karn Liberated in mtg
I love artifacts and an artifact planeswalker is super appealing, but costing over $100 is not as appealing

haughty axle
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theres a much more recent version of karn though

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who actually DOES benefit from having lots of artifacts on the board

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im fairly certain that gideon is gonna be replaced some new whippersnapper named teyo verada

copper lark
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@sharp grail i’m having a mental breakdown

sharp grail
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ME

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where are you up to

copper lark
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I GOT TO THE BIT WHERE 2B GOT INFECTED BUT I DIDNT MAKE IT TO THE BRIDGE IN TIME

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i need to be held

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i love the commander

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now i have the situation of: which is harder to sit through emotionally
dragon age inquisition where you’re trudging through the snow
nier automata where you’re infected with a virus going through enemies
or bastion. you all know the scene

hasty kernel
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Yeah, some characters will definitely die

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I hope Jace does

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Jace, Teferi, Bolas and uh

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Idk, Nissa I guess?

velvet fjord
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hnnng now I want that karn

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also kill lilith gang

hasty kernel
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Well, some of the cards were leaked

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And looks like the balance in the set may just be slightly off

copper lark
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@sharp grail oh... nines....

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don’t touch me i’m sobbing

sharp grail
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this is why I was eyesshaking when you said the one time 2B called him nines you were very happy

copper lark
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im@so upset

chilly briar
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the heartbreak gets worse

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actually it's like 30x more screwed up when you find all the intel etc and find out more about 9s

copper lark
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i’m so scared

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i love 9S so much seeing him like this is so upsetting

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how it feels playing this god damn game

sharp grail
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oh hey have you been reading the weapon stories

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theyre like, that distress but concentrated into 4 paragraphs

mystic nymph
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so risk of rain 2 came out recently, and I'm having a ton of fun with it

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still in Early Access, but for those who played 1, 2 is basically 1 with a z axis

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mercenary in particular is so much more fun in 3d

cedar rock
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yea im enjoying it as well!

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its a little bare bones right now but thats what early access is for after all

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i cant wait for them to add acrid, he was my favorite from the first game

mystic nymph
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I'm waiting for bandit

somber yoke
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I'm loving the new levels, items, and enemies they added for 2

cedar rock
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i was pretty skeptical at the jump to 3d at first but i think its translating exceptionally so far

mystic nymph
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yeah it's impressive that it still feels like 1 but plays completely different

cedar rock
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i think a good deal of it is the enemy models and the music, they arent like exact copies but still kinda hint back to the original in a really nice way

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not too alienated but not too samey

mystic nymph
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that and the characters that aren't unique are essentially one to one ports

tropic garden
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Maybe not of interest to anyone but I got to watch Japan announce the name of the new imperial era live! say goodbye to Heisei, and hello to Reiwa!

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the prime minister's gonna talk about the meaning but i'm probably not going to be able to follow it gkdjfgdf

serene tulip
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I love huntress so much

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Nothing quite as satisfying as tossing a glaive and blowing up 12 wisps

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I also like engineer

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that is to say that I don't like aiming

mystic nymph
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Bustling Fungus working with sentries is memey

rain mortar
tropic garden
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doing great work out there, discord

copper lark
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@sharp grail i’m waiting to upgrade my weapons before i check the story but woohoo! can’t wait for that

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upgrade my@weapons fully*

haughty axle
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anybody seen shovel knight showdown?

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looks so fun

hexed hollow
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I have, it looks quite good, I'm looking forward to the kings knight campaign more though

hasty kernel
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Why would you delete the objectively superior theme tho

serene tulip
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And nothing of value was lost

copper lark
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@sharp grail im@sorry for pinging you all the time but i’m sobbing and need to SCREAM

sharp grail
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did you pick 9s first?

copper lark
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no

sharp grail
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oh well that’s worse

copper lark
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im@so upset

sharp grail
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I feel your pain

copper lark
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i was ready to let go of 9S i thought i was gonna put him out of his pain bc of the virus and everything

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i don’t know if i can do that again as 9S

sharp grail
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trust me you should

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but also

copper lark
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i have 4 endings

sharp grail
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what level are you?

copper lark
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61

sharp grail
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ah well. There’s an Easter egg in the other fight but I’m p sure you can only see it below level 60 djdbfj

copper lark
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aw :(

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there’s a wet patch on my shirt bc of sobbing into it and i think That’s the Nier Experience

sharp grail
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it’s still cool to see a video of it, this whole game is mindblowing

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LMAO OH NO

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I told you to get tissues this is a game that makes u cry a lot!!

copper lark
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YEP

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also uhhh can i use the chapter select to go back to the fight or

sharp grail
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ye!

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also make sure ur connected to the network in game

copper lark
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also i pressed start game and i kept my level? owo

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trust me im@connected to the damn network those bodies on the floor have blocked me from one too many cutscenes

sharp grail
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yeah the save always keeps the level unless you overwrite it I think

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gl with the second fight

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don’t give up 💪

copper lark
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i have to go through the damn opening again before i can go back uuuuug

sharp grail
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you can exit out of the game

copper lark
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OH YEAH IM@SHOOK ABT THE 2E THING

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I did it

sharp grail
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you finished everything?

copper lark
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i cant do the

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credits thing

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i rlly relied on auto chips for the hacking bits pls don’t do this to me

sharp grail
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dont give up!!

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u got this

copper lark
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WOW

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THEIR POWER

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special thanks for OldManYelling if you’re out there thanks for being a real one

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I DONT WANNA LOSE MY SAVE DATA

sharp grail
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you can say no! you dont have to

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you can also go back and do it later if you want to at some point

copper lark
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wow

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this game

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so,,, the dlc?

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is that extra game content or

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oh! it was the colosseums

sharp grail
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yeah, those doors

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oh you did them?

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i forgot it just. comes with the goty now dkfjghdk

copper lark
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yeah skrjmdjdh

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ok so

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i’ve been destroyed

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devola and popola best girls

sharp grail
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ur right and u should say it devsmug

desert swallow
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Oh NieR? Good content

chilly briar
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i rlly relied on auto chips for the hacking bits pls don’t do this to me smh

tropic garden
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me: doesn't write anything for like four months
also me: churns out 2000 words in one hour about the conflict between celeste's gentle, encouraging attitude towards deaths and difficulty in the game, and its really weird passive-aggressive attitude towards using assist mode

well, it's good to be writing again, lol

upbeat scroll
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Why do games have to be sassy about assist mode

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The player knows their ability better than the game does

tropic garden
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you know what gets me
celeste acknowledges that there's a point when you should Stop and Get Help

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like IN THE GAME

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the entirety of celestial hotel is like

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"sometimes there are problems you can't and shouldn't try to overcome"

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and then when i've died 80 times on a frame perfect maneuver i can't nail, the game sasses me for turning on assist mode for 3 seconds

upbeat scroll
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Most of the message in the game is great, but gamer brain kicks in when devs are implementing easier modes apparently

tropic garden
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there's this.......like

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bogeyman

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of the "lazy player"

upbeat scroll
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Simpsons gif "gamers, they ruined gaming"

tropic garden
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i'm convinced it doesn't actually exist, and if it does, it's no skin off the devs' noses

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but every time there's any easy mode in anything it's like there's this kneejerk assumption that if there's an easier option, everyone's going to take it and it's ruining the point of the game, weh

upbeat scroll
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"They just want to be able to say they beat dark souls without having done the hard parts" yeah so what

tropic garden
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exactly!

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who cares!

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like if people want to challenge themselves they will find ways to do so

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generally when people are playing games it's because they want to, you know

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play the game

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they're not dropping $60 on something so they can skip 80% of it

upbeat scroll
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A movie doesn't stop you from finishing it if you're not paying attention

tropic garden
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and if they are, again, who cares

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like, it's not making anybody else's life worse

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and if they don't "get" the game at the end of the day because they, like, didn't experience the difficulty at the level you wanted them to........so?

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i think they still understand it's supposed to be a hard game

upbeat scroll
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There's this one video essay about playing games wrong that really freed me as a dev

tropic garden
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I think I've seen that one actually

upbeat scroll
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You can't make sure the player plays correctly

tropic garden
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As in, seen the thumbnail, didn't watch

upbeat scroll
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And to some extent it's not worth trying to get the player to play correctly

tropic garden
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Right? Yeah, the two points i was making here were like "there are no lazy players; if there are, it doesn't matter anyways; and besides, either players will 'get it' or they won't and while you can nudge them, you can't make them do or interpret as you want"

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2.5 points

upbeat scroll
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No I think you deserve at least 5 points for this opinion

tropic garden
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hahaha 5 cents

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I can see why it's a little hairy in celeste because they consider the difficulty part of the game's message, and it's important to them that that message is conveyed

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but that doesn't change the fact that the player knows better what their limits are and what they'll get the most out of

upbeat scroll
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It's a step forward that the option is there at least

tropic garden
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and honestly i thought this was a little bit weird in the game's themes as well - for madeline, her journey isn't ultimately deadly, since canonically she makes it to the summit. but for the player - we see her die like, hundreds, thousands of times

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and it's like
yikes! maybe you really shouldn't be doing this!

upbeat scroll
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Is respawning just mountain magic?

tropic garden
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they never address it

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so i'd just taken the deaths as being non-canonical

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non-diegetic

upbeat scroll
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Yeah if she had died 100 times she might have mentioned it

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Not to mention the bird that goes
🐦 "↗ dash"

tropic garden
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lol

upbeat scroll
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Sometimes game is not like real life hmm

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Anyway saying that dark souls would be a better game if it had easy mode is cool because

  1. It's true
  2. It makes people so mad omg
tropic garden
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I actually was underwhelmed by dark souls' difficulty, i thought it would be way more unfair
but yes it is a frustrating experience nonetheless

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ppl talk abt it like it's brutal and i'm sitting here like "i died but i still have all my stuff??? this is baby hour"

upbeat scroll
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Dark souls roguelike...

tropic garden
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like y'all have not experienced unfair game design lmao

upbeat scroll
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Yeah dark souls isn't the hardest game by far

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Something about platformers can make them harder than any fps

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Or like, entertainingly harder?

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The big bad in dark souls could've had a billion billion health and that would probably be hardest game, but not any good

tropic garden
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Yeah for sure
I was just like...the aura around dark souls is such that i was expecting something cruel

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Something like, idk, LISA, lol

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Just mean game design

upbeat scroll
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Dark souls isn't out there to piss you off

tropic garden
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I ended up liking it more because it was actually relatively more forgiving than expected haha

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But ultimately it does become a drag so I haven't finished it

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I stopped somewhere in fortress of sen, i think

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Right! It's not there to piss you off, AND it encourages people to work together, which is why I think it's so funny that it's become the like, pinnacle of hard games

upbeat scroll
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"Prepare to die edition"

tropic garden
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god

upbeat scroll
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They play it up, and gamers love it when games stroke their ego

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Gonna make game that's called "only real gamers can beat this game"

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"Because this game is very hard, too hard for fake gamers"

tropic garden
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heheheheh

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Well i have successfully acquired 🍅, so i'm gonna make some dinner now

upbeat scroll
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Recipe:
Tomato in microwave 30 seconds
Take a big bite out of it

north hamlet
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∑( ̄□ ̄;)

tropic garden
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gkjdfgfd it's ok i'm making pasta

analog spear
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As far as the “lazy player” fallacy goes, XCOM2 actually had the opposite problem. The game made some changes to encourage aggressive moves, and in doing so, drastically increased the difficulty from EU/W. Many players where complaining that the game was “too rng based” which is the XCOM equivalent of “its too hard and I can’t adapt”. The one of the lead devs said that his biggest regret was not creating one or 2 “fake” difficulty levels below easy, because they found that many people refused to chose the lowest setting out of pride, even if they would have had more fun and still been challenged

tardy anchor
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oh wow....its so interesting how the point of "playing a game" has shifted from being something thats fun to engage with for so many people 😔

analog spear
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What do you mean by that?

tardy anchor
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like.... a game (in general) is generally understood to be an entertainment but its become Serious Business among videogames

analog spear
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Yea I get what you mean

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There is a lot of gate keeping especially in the community’s for “hard” games

tardy anchor
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ahhhh thats unfortunate 😔

analog spear
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A good recent example of this is sekiro

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It’s an amazing game that makes a few pore game design choices early on

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It’s one of those games that doesn’t hold your hand (which I’m all for) but sometimes you basically need specific items to progress and the game doesn’t really lead you to them at all

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And because it is meant to be a hard game, people will defend this choice by saying that if you want a game to hold your hand, play something else

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When In reality, it’s the games fault for allowing a player to miss a critical item

vocal brook
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So, a mashup artist (who I have nothing but immense respect for, in terms of this one specifically and the genre in general) uploaded an April Fool's video. It's 11 minutes long, worth every second, and has easily over 20 songs in it. It had me wheezing with laughter in the first 4 minutes. WARNING: it does contain cussing, and has some harsh noise in it at the beginning, end, and some transitional moments in the middle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUG19hD_ZiU

somber ferry
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oh man, i see i missed the convo about gatekeeping in gaming communities

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yeah, unfortunately that sort of behavior is common. :(

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the second a developer introduces any sort of accessible difficulty options, people lose it

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i've seen people complain even about the granular difficulty options in celeste, which is wild

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it even affects how i play games on a subconcious level tbh. like i'll find myself picking normal over easy just because of that stigma--which definitely is worse when you're a gamer from an underrepresented gender in gaming in my experience

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really i just think everyone should be allowed to enjoy games thanks for coming to my ted talk

tardy anchor
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youre right!!

sharp grail
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I play games on easy if I don’t think I’ll be good at them and like, when I tell people if they respond with “ew git gud” it’s kinda... discouraging? Like I’m not playing to get frustrated by my inability to progress, I’m playing to have fun and for the story

somber ferry
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YEP

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100% this

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i wish people would consider that their easy might be someone else's hard too. suggesting someone's not allowed to enjoy a game because they don't play on the hardest difficulty is problematic.

elfin umbra
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(from the borderlands 3 teaser)

hasty kernel
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What do you mean "let himself go"

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Are you seeing those abs

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You could grind meat on those

elfin umbra
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by that i meant he's all scarred and all

serene tulip
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deathpacito

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lmao

ionic viper
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thats so sad orpheus play deathpacito

arctic basalt
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siren zagreus.....

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GOD THIS USERPIC UGH

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i activated my own fight or flight response.

tardy anchor
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from far away it kinda looks like the frosted flakes mascot

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your icon not zag

arctic basalt
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...yeah a little bit

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hes grrrreat

tardy anchor
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jkgjkgkgk

arctic basalt
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  • not thanatos
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i saw that

tardy anchor
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:3

tropic garden
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I have, I think, finished writing my celeste essay ablobthinking

serene tulip
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I'm failing so hard at doing things

earnest bay
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General announcement: @sharp grail is pretty awesome.

That is all.

spring creek
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I just need to say: I'm so tired of people losing their mind over timed exclusivity as if it's some new concept that we have never had to deal with before. Just. Gawd. It's so frustrating.

cunning holly
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Okay 🙂

spring creek
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Thanks for understanding. :)

velvet fjord
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pretty sure people are less mad about timed exclusivity and more mad about it being epic games timed exclusivity

forest narwhal
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Well... Epic store looks for me like early acces of platform... Like there is almost nothing polished...

somber ferry
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in all fairness, steam was like that too when it first released

forest narwhal
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Yup

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Well... I thing, Epic store need time to improve platform, fix problems (i heard about data leakages, but Steam also had problem with that) and add forum, option to Mark games, forum etc.

spring creek
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Please don't add forums. I'm happy if it stays just a store front forever.

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Maybe it's just me but I don't tend to use the community features on steam

somber ferry
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steam forum communities are...interesting

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i've found them to be pretty toxic at times

tame wagon
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steam forums are useful for finding bug fixes and guides and stuff

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other than that ur right i don't care for the community

radiant lynx
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Gotta choose:
Better community service, more features and a bloody SEARCH BAR
Or, smaller publication cut, and an assured publicity for the devs

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When in early access, it makes more sense for SG to go for the Epic Launcher. Games cost cash.

sharp grail
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ok but I’m pretty sure epic has a search bar

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because I am pretty sure I have used it

forest narwhal
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Well... I'll wait for full version anyway, because now i have barelly time for eating in home (job + iniversity)

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And probably Will choose gog version if it Will be avaible

hasty kernel
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Meh, the reason people are outraged isnt that its epic

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Its that its not steam

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The fact that so much misinformation flows around doesnt help though

rocky zephyr
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I’ve heard some spiky stuff about the epic launcher

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Stuff like how it sells your data to china’s government and all that jazz

hasty kernel
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Yeah, that stuff is nonsense

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Its basically "A chinese company owns 40% of their stocks, so they must work for the chinese"

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Funny enough, this never comes up with Riot or Spotify

rocky zephyr
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I don’t really believe that stuff but if it’s true they won’t find anything other than my rather...questionable homework

hasty kernel
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There is also rumours about "it has poor security"

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Yet if you try to search for anything, the only story you get is a Fortnite exploit we heard about in January

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That was already long fixed by that point

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That also only worked if you fell for a phishing link

rocky zephyr
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If people are really that scared of that stuff isn’t it just easier to just get an anti virus subscription?

hasty kernel
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That ... would not have any bearing on security

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Security issues are stuff they can do with the store itself, not your PC

rocky zephyr
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Ah

hasty kernel
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I mean what your PC has is also security, and I guess some Anti-virus software has anti-phishing measures?

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But no, this is mostly about stuff thats on their end

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To our knowledge, there isnt anything problematic there though

rocky zephyr
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Welp. The more you learn ig

hasty kernel
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As far as actual problems are concerned, the EGS is rather lacking in features

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But Id argue most features arent terribly relevant

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Cloud saves are, and offline mode are, and I believe those are coming?

somber ferry
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yeah the chinese spyware thing was confirmed false

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but people still believe it

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for some reason

hasty kernel
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Same reason they believe the "it has poor security thing"

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It feeds into their bias

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Its just a huge circlejerk

north hamlet
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yay logical fallacies

hasty kernel
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Honestly Im just glad the EGS isnt as huge of a resourcehog as Steam is

chilly briar
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I actually really like how EGS represent their download and update streamed data with the storage chunks lol

mystic pawn
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I'm not at all bothered by the EGS client itself

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but their business practices are really, really, anti consumer.

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There are a lot of problems with steam as a platform, but as a whole I think it has been a net positive to the gaming community; I cant say the same for the EGS.

somber ferry
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i’m curious—what about their business practices in particular do you feel are anti-consumer?

mystic pawn
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software exclusivity

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be it timed or permanent

somber ferry
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that’s not exactly an unheard of concept

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no one’s mad that blizzard has its own launcher

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it happens on console all the time too, except in this case you don’t have to buy a new console to play the game

mystic pawn
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Battle.NET usually only hosts blizzards own games. I'm OK with that

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but I'm not OK with having to run the EGS to play borderlands 3

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if you want to compete with steam, make a better platform

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dont try to choke it out by buying exclusivity

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what I want is for someone to come in and make a superior alternative to Steam, so the industry moves forward

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Steam has a LOT of issues, and part of the problem is that until recently, they had no competitor to keep them honest

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this is exactly the kind of behaviour that stagnates industries, and I expected better from Epic.

upbeat scroll
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what i really want is for itch to get better, tbh

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it's the most promising contender imo

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but it needs moderation and a working block button

hasty kernel
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I mean the funniest part is that the PC platform with the most exclusives is, well

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Steam

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But its not a problem when its Steam,. apparently

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And the problem is easy, it doesnt matter if your launcher is better than steam, consumers wont switch

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Because whatever improvement you can make is insignificant, and laziness is big

upbeat scroll
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platforms dont die easy, but they can die

hasty kernel
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The main way to combat steam as a result isnt to target the consumers

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Its to target the Devs

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Which, yknow, makes sense

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Thats who the platform has to be sold to

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Consumers are gonna use whatever platform they have to use

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I use steam even though its slow and eats up resources like mad

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But yeah, exclusives are hardly "anti-consumer" unless it requires you to buy new Hardware

upbeat scroll
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problem is that devs go for the biggest platform unless they have other incentives

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thats not really a problem as much as it is "how it works"

hasty kernel
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Well the other incentive is a bigger cut

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Steams rate is downright criminal

upbeat scroll
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itch has the best cut, and you dont see AAA games on there...

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there's a lot at play

hasty kernel
#

Well yeah, because the whole focus of the site is indies

#

I imagine there is some behind the scenes explanation to further solidify that

upbeat scroll
#

part of it is probably that itch doesnt have drm

hasty kernel
#

Meh, DRM is hardly relevant for AAAs I imagine

upbeat scroll
#

if DRM wasnt a big deal, then all game companies would release games as direct downloads on their website

#

the reason why big devs go on big platforms is mostly DRM

hasty kernel
#

Eh

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Not even Blizz do that

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Mainly because of distribution concerns

upbeat scroll
#

what do you mean by distribution concerns?

hasty kernel
#

Mostly handling the download ... load

upbeat scroll
#

the value of being on steam is a big server??

hasty kernel
#

One of the big ones? Yeah, kinda

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I mean, GoG is DRM-Free, and youll find plenty of AAA games there

upbeat scroll
#

hmm, i guess

honest glade
#

I feel like hating the EGS is kind of the new edgy kid meme, but that's just me. Epic isn't forcing anyone to put their games on their store. Point blame at developers first. As long as they give enough of an advanced notice as to where they intend to place their product, there's little to object to.

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Unlike that one dev who switched their game to being EGS exclusive at the last second.

spring creek
#

The Metro thing was maybe not great

honest glade
#

That was messed up and that was solely their fault.

spring creek
#

I think they were honoring any sold stream copies though.

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So it was like .. Pretty bad optics, but other than that I shrug

honest glade
#

Granted, I'm a little biased, because I love that EGS isn't a terrible resource hog like Steam is. And the UI doesn't make me want to scream like Origin's does.

hexed hollow
#

If this is exodus, they're honouring all steam pre orders

spring creek
#

Thanks yeah that's what we were talking about

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The epic store sells me video games. Good enough.
Is it annoying to have to install another launcher and have another account? Yes. But like... Meh?

honest glade
#

Right? For me, I see it as the difference between going to Rite Aid or CVS to get a drink.

hexed hollow
#

The exclusvity ultimately hurts consumers

spring creek
#

It doesn't

honest glade
#

I have to carry two discount cards with me now. Gee whiz.

hexed hollow
#

Forcing people to use a service some don't want to use

honest glade
#

From a business standpoint, competition between vendors more often than not is a boon to the consumer.

hasty kernel
#

I mean Steams been doing that for years

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Noone has a problem with that

spring creek
#

I remember when Steam first came out.

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It was a bad client

hasty kernel
#

That argument would be stronger if physical copies still existed

spring creek
#

And people haaaaaaaaaaaaaated it

hasty kernel
#

Or there was a direct way to download the game

spring creek
#

Why do i have to install this program to play games

hasty kernel
#

But that isnt the case for the vast majority of games

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You use Steam

honest glade
#

I mean, I'd argue that Steam is still a bad client. It's just no longer AS bad.

hasty kernel
#

Or youre out of luck

spring creek
#

Etc etc

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Epic store is freely available, and sells you games

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Stream is freely available and sells you games

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Origin, battle net, gog, uplay

#

Freely available, sells you games.

hasty kernel
#

Right, and they dont do much beyond that

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Its slightly annoying that you have to have them open to play games

spring creek
#

Just because you the consumer feels that you don't want to install another program does not make it anti consumer

hasty kernel
#

But at least Epics client only uses like 10 MB

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Not 200

honest glade
#

^^^

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(At both of your points.)

hasty kernel
#

Seriously til I got more ram a couple years back, I had to close Steam to play League because otherwise it would seriously stutter

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Granted my PC wasnt great but you get the idea

hexed hollow
#

Making 3rd party games exlusive to one specific platform does though

spring creek
#

Nope

hasty kernel
#

Again, almost all 3rd party games are exclusive to one platform either way

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Except in epics case, they are at best timed exclusives

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Not Exclusive, full stop

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And ultimately, you still can play it regardless hardware (within the sys reqs, obviously)

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This isnt like Console exclusivity where you have to actually buy and have the space for a whole new system

spring creek
#

Are console exclusives anti consumer?

hasty kernel
#

Just to play the game

honest glade
#

That's why I used shopping at Rite Aid versus CVS as an example. Just because CVS is the only place I can get... let's say Graze granola bars, and Rite Aid is more abundant in my area and easier to get to with more products I buy more regularly... That doesn't magically make CVS, as a whole, anti-consumer.

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That logic just doesn't check out.

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It's a unique problem that's attuned to my preferences.

hasty kernel
#

Plus, its about the only way Steam is gonna lower their rates, which is good for the consumer as well

honest glade
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Not how the company performs to the consumer as a whole.

hasty kernel
#

Means Indies have a bit more breathing room to scrape by

spring creek
#

Related: I feel really bad for gearbox right now

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It has to be a million times worse than what Hades and SGG are dealing with.

hasty kernel
#

Eh, it mostly wont have an impact

#

Most people just dont care, as evident by Exodus doing well

spring creek
#

ultimately I agree

hasty kernel
#

Plus tbh the CEO of Gearbox is a uh

spring creek
#

I just mean the "feedback"

hasty kernel
#

Mmh

spring creek
#

Oh yeah Randy can go away

hasty kernel
#

Yknow, I dont know a PG way of putting it

honest glade
#

I hate Gearbox so I'm kind of amused by it. But my dislike of Memerlands and anything Randy Pitchford touches aside, I know the game will still do well.

spring creek
#

But let's not condemn the staff

hasty kernel
#

Yeah thats fair

honest glade
#

Yeah, put more accurately, I have an issue with their CEO and I'm not a huge fan of the franchise anymore. Not the people who put out the products.

spring creek
#

Fair. I haven't played a Borderlands since 2 came out.

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And I could use a game with so so writing and silly guns

honest glade
#

I played 1 and 2 and I kind of felt like I didn't get anything out of 2 that I didn't already experience in 1, so it's just not for me.

spring creek
#

Nothing wrong with that.

hasty kernel
#

I tried Pre-sequel, it was kinda fun but god the heartbeat sound effect in the vacuum was bloody annoying

spring creek
#

That does sound pretty bad

rocky zephyr
#

yo razer better fix their damn launcher

#

i can't login or even open synapse

#

heck even the installer won't work

solid furnace
#

MercySMUG Razer has been going downhill lately.

copper lark
#

anyone played kh and want to help me with sims traits for the characters?

opaque quail
#

Which Sims, current gen? :3c

copper lark
#

yep! sims 4

#

lost my sims 3 disk and my quality of life has significantly decreased ever since

ionic viper
#

sims 3 was fun when i ignored the pudding faces and the intense lag whenever i tried to do anything ever

opaque quail
#

Sora feels like... Good, Outgoing, and Loves the Outdoors. The last one is less direct and more like... I mean look at him, he definitely loves the outdoors.

ionic viper
#

OH i should take some pictures of the sims i made of red and boxer!!

copper lark
#

i agree with that caitlin

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sora is a plant boy 100%

ionic viper
#

riku should have the gloomy trait

opaque quail
#

Riku.... okay I was TOTALLY considering Gloomy. I also feel strongly about Self-Assured, Ambitious, and Family-Oriented for him. 🤔

#

Kairi... Neat, Romantic, Cheerful? Oh man the urge to play Sims rises by the second.

copper lark
#

for namine i got art lover, clumsy and gloomy? im still a bit ehh on that one

tame wagon
#

goofy............

opaque quail
#

Goofy... Evil blobhyperthink

copper lark
#

his name is foygoox now, he got norted too

opaque quail
#

Foygoox is the funniest possible name, Foygoox the Norted One

#

wait

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Foygoox, the Norted Hound

#

Also a Bloodborne 2 boss

copper lark
#

oh my god

tardy anchor
#

foygoox?????

opaque quail
#

Goofy + X, the Organization XIII naming convention. 😄

#

I guess technically it'd have to be Foygox maybe.

copper lark
#

aw yeah

copper lark
#

xion traits,,, help

opaque quail
#

I never played the game she's in 😔

copper lark
opaque quail
#

But I like the idea of the various aspects of these kids sharing a trait or two, if any of them work? 🤔

copper lark
#

hm,, perhaps

#

i think she could also be loves the outdoors

ionic viper
#

hey speaking of making game characters in the sims

#

i knew i still had these two saved somewhere

sharp grail
#

ur sims pics are always so neat

ionic viper
tardy anchor
#

powered couple

olive junco
#

HOLY cell I figured it out!

#

Cloudbank is the sims

#

And the process is that glitch where the censor blur spreads across the screen!

ionic viper
#

i mean

#

that's not a glitch

#

that means you pirated the game ;P

olive junco
#

Your right i got it mixed up with the glitch where the pixilation doesn't end when they put the clothes back on

#

Idk I don't even play the game just heard about it

rocky zephyr
#

Dakimakuras are just adult teddy bears

serene tulip
#

remember, kids, take your anti-oxidants or your bones will rust

buoyant frigate
#

Rusty bones is how u get squeaky joints

rain mortar
#

Rusty bones are the leading cause of corroldsion

tropic garden
#

The japanese season of drinking and staring pensively at cherry trees is in full swing, and happened to coincide with lovely weather so guess who's been ~hanami~

lusty ridge
#

Cool I just drink and stare aimlessly at nothing.

tropic garden
rain mortar
#

Same, Dino... Same

lusty ridge
#

Beautiful pictures though!

#

I only drink water though, gotta stay HYDRATED dangChug

rain mortar
#

I'm drinking and staring aimlessly at my computer monitors

#

I am drinking something that contains water

tropic garden
#

technically it's probably even mostly water by volume!

rain mortar
#

Truth!

#

In a large number of democratic societies that's good enough to just straight up be called water if you were voting for it

tropic garden
#

Reward for biking the 40 minutes to get here

rain mortar
#

Looks tasty!

honest glade
#

Yum

buoyant frigate
#

You earned it!

chilly briar
#

I want dat renkon

somber ferry
#

NICE

chilly briar
#

heyyyy uhhhhhhhhhh chuckun nugguts?

#

I want

#

'em

rocky zephyr
#

dumb thing i just thought about: vol 1

#

what if supergiant made a fighting game

civic sun
#

theyve shown a good understanding of combat volfredthink

rocky zephyr
#

K I D A S G U E S T C H A R A C T E R

olive junco
#

We need Kid as DLC in Rivals of Aether

#

And maybe Red

rocky zephyr
#

smash clones don't really count but yeah that would be cool

velvet fjord
#

supergiant's new game, Bicycle, a rhythm based fighting game romance visual novel

honest glade
#

...Now I want someone to make that.

vocal brook
#

I'd play that, but only if there's a unicycle I get to date

#

I assume from the name it's a dating sim where the romance options are wheeled forms of transportarion

cunning holly
#

When is bouldy getting their smash invitation letter

copper lark
#

bouldy and isabelle pull up to the smash arena together

#

don’t mess with them they’ll mess you up the most

tardy anchor
#

isabelle walks on bouldy

#

like some kinda spinning ball circus trick

tame wagon
#

isabelle can pick up bouldy

copper lark
#

she can

#

100%

rocky zephyr
#

Bouldy’s side b would simply be sisyphus rolling him like that indiana jones boulder

unreal bridge
teal plume
#

i'd die for them

unreal bridge
#

• x •

teal plume
#

this is gunna make me CRY I love it thank you

unreal bridge
#

😊 ♥

tame wagon
#

babieeeeee

buoyant frigate
#

The Cagle cats are a blessing... (and the human who oversees them runs a webcomic so u should defs look her up)

somber ferry
#

would die for all of these cats

north hamlet
#

ฅ'ω'ฅ

tame wagon
#

Seren what is happening to your avatar

copper lark
#

wait thats so cute

rocky zephyr
#

KITTY

#

h they're so

#

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

#

my heart

buoyant frigate
#

How 2 get Seren avatar:
Step 1: open Snapchat
Step 2: open Jen Zee Art
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit

rocky zephyr
#

here's a pic of my son being handsome

teal plume
#

HANDSOMEST BOY

rocky zephyr
#

the boye thanks you for the compliment

teal plume
#

pat him for me and tell him i love him

buoyant frigate
#

Such a good boy!!!!

rocky zephyr
#

okie

north hamlet
#

High quality birb

teal plume
#

I came here for sgg and I'm getting animal pics and I couldn't be happier

rocky zephyr
#

pats son and gives him S E E D for extra content

teal plume
#

Thank you so much

rocky zephyr
#

no problem

copper lark
#

HES A HANDSOME BOY

rocky zephyr
#

in the old narrator's voice: "the small bird appreciates the compliment and gives out a loud tweet as a sign of content"

teal plume
#

there is nothing that can describe my emotion towards this Good Bird

rocky zephyr
#

PUPPER

north hamlet
#

Here is my derp

teal plume
#

OH MY GO D D IBMLO VE

north hamlet
#

I thank thee for your kind gift of birb

rocky zephyr
#

VDBJDBDBVJSDH CAN YOU PAT HIM FOR ME

north hamlet
#

👍

teal plume
#

ME TOO PELASE PAT

rocky zephyr
#

shower him with love and treats

teal plume
#

ye s sss

rocky zephyr
#

ight uhhhhhhh

#

what hobbies do ya'll have? (lol i'm that desperate to find friends)

north hamlet
#

Vigea games 😛

teal plume
#

straight up died for a couple minutes but those are hella

rocky zephyr
#

thanks

north hamlet
#

(╯✧∇✧)╯

#

I started learning how to paint dnd minis last year

rocky zephyr
#

i'm planning on making a hades themed build one day but i don't know what mobile suit to use as the base design

teal plume
#

I just draw and play video games 😔

rocky zephyr
#

there's nothing bad in that lol

teal plume
#

I am interested in modelling and coding though, so hopefully I find time soon to try it out

rocky zephyr
#

i've been wanting to get into coding for some time but never got the time to do so

teal plume
#

I tried a while ago w unity and a tutorial but I haven't picked it back up since then

rocky zephyr
#

oof

north hamlet
#

Coding is neat

#

I've done a tiny bit

tribal crag
#

Source for the following info is: https://archive.fo/fH0CN

I've also personally verified this behavior on my end using Process Monitor. It is 100% truthful information.
I hope that SuperGiant games strongly reconsiders doing business with the Epic Games Store until this malware-like activity concern is properly solved.

#

Epic Games Launcher has proven to commit malware-like activity and illegally obtain confidential Steam info without disclosure/consent of the end-user. This happens once the Epic Games Launcher is installed and BEFORE any attempt to 'link Steam Friends' via the GUI itself. Even after doing the link, the file itself is NOT accessed again. They grab all the info they want the first time.

Specifically, the file is 'localconfig.vdf' in the Steam directory. You can open this file up in a text editor. It contains your Steam friends, games owned/played, and other highly-personal data that isn't usually disclosed to 3rd-party companies.
I do feel that Epic Games is being owned/run by Tencent (let's be real with how much influence they have in China; got the Epic CEO by the short-hairs) and this is only one of many malware-like activities that the launcher has done and I believe Tencent may attempt to do even worse in the future (based on their stained history with online gaming and numerous Steam reviews/complaints by Chinese players).

I do not feel it is in the best interest of SuperGiant games to associate themselves with a company and games store/launcher that feels this violation of consumer/user privacy is acceptable (not to mention a violation of GDPR and dozens of USA laws regarding malware activity). I strongly urge SuperGiant games to consider revoking their Early Access on the Epic Games Store and instead do it on Steam/GoG/Humble/etc. There are many opportunities to do things in a way that doesn't treat users like garbage. The customers are the reason SuperGiant Games still exists. No amount of money/bribery should take that trust away. Be better than the other devs who have sold their soul to the devil in Tencent; after all a company based in China doesn't need to care about following laws in other countries if they exploit a company like Epic Games to do it instead.

#

That is an attempt to hide what they did and also grab it before Steam realizes the data breach.

I'm not sure Epic even knew what they wanted to do with that file yet, but they knew that they wanted to grab it while it was available in clear text.

Why bother making a copy of that file??? (which contains all your friends, every game you own, when you last played, etc) I suspect they didn't want access it more than once for fear of getting caught which they now are.

Also, hopefully Steam will properly encrypt this file to keep other nefarious companies from accessing this data.

Further info: The timestamp of the stolen copy of localconfig.vdf ( C:\ProgramData\Epic\SocialBackup\ *.bak ) is 1 minute after the timestamp of C:\Program Files (x86)\Epic Games\ so this information is taken right at launch, possibly even during install.```
#

Even those who aren't tech-saavy can go check the timestamps of the relevant files in their respective directories and confirm this information for themselves.

#

Regarding 'friends import' PR response by Epic Games:


I just went through the whole procedure of linking Steam to Epic via the Epic launcher so it can add friends and guess what, it didn't access that file once.

Their entire justification of copying the file in their press response is for the friends functionality.

And yet it isn't used during linking to Friends.

I use Procmon a lot, I set a filter for that file and confirmed when I accessed the file through command prompt that the access showed up, so I know it didn't miss the access.```
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Procmon = Process Monitor, an official Microsoft-approved utility for analyzing processes in Windows and other programs to determine file/network access.

hasty kernel
#

God this again

#

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times

#

Long story short, the guy writing it didnt know how electron-style browsers work

#

Almost all of that list is how they work

#

And the only reason it looks for that steamfile is for the friendslist to give you the option of importing it

#

If you check what they do, that is the only part of that file it retains

copper lark
#

is it rlly supergiant off topic chat if we don’t have this conversation at least once a month

upbeat scroll
#

oh speaking of epic game store did you hear about how it steals your social security number and sells it to the martians?

#

epic game store grinds your bones to make its bread

copper lark
#

oh god how could it

#

i’m boycotting epic games store now

teal plume
#

omg not my bones

somber ferry
#

bone hurtin juice

tame wagon
#

nooo my bones are DRM free

copper lark
#

steam: i heard you were using epic games as a launcher for your new title.
supergiant: st-steam it’s not what it looks like!
steam: I WONT HESITATE 🔫

tardy anchor
#

hgjbjkhgvjkhkhgvjkgjk

hasty kernel
#

Wait Litvac is a mod now?

tardy anchor
#

mhm!! give her a warm welcome gilmanlove

copper lark
#

!!! congrats

hasty kernel
#

Congrats

#

Man Ive not been much in this discord lately

copper lark
#

me either

hasty kernel
#

Whats the ETA on the next update again?

tame wagon
#

congwat

rain mortar
#

May 7th

hasty kernel
#

Thanks

#

Been occupied with studies and gungeon and various single-player gmaes

copper lark
#

i’ve been preoccupied with. um.

#

i don’t have an excuse i just suck at being active rooKek

hasty kernel
#

Also man Gungeon is hard

#

I dont even finish it without any of the challenge things most of the time

#

Hades made me complacent

somber ferry
#

hello!! is me!! am mod!!

cunning holly
#

👋

somber ferry
#

thank you for the congrats ✨

teal plume
#

🎉

vocal brook
#

🎊

serene tulip
#

Can @somber ferry even be a mod if she doesn't have a name with the theme?

somber ferry
#

uh oh 👀 💦

tropic garden
#

she's new 😦 she just got here

#

you better step on it gkdfjgfd

somber ferry
#

i feel like i had a good name before and just FORGOT IT fgjhgdfklgfd

tropic garden
#

to be fair a lot of the other mods changed back to normal names so

serene tulip
#

D:

rain mortar
#

Litvacation-from-themes

tardy anchor
#

next patch we can get in formation again i guess hjfvhjfhj

tropic garden
#

venlysium? elysiven

serene tulip
#

OcAlectoctopus, there, can I be a mod now? 😛

desert swallow
#

Is that a Hyper Light Drifter icon I see? 👀

serene tulip
#

Yes!

desert swallow
#

🙌 NICE

serene tulip
unreal bridge
rocky zephyr
#

K I T T E R

somber ferry
#

baby!!!!!!

tardy anchor
#

oh i feel you

tame wagon
#

im baby

somber ferry
#

same

serene tulip
north hamlet
#

corg?

#

very cute

earnest bay
#

I write.

It's a hobby, and I'm writing for a small VN that may or may not ever be published.

This past week, I was working on a storyboard for a story I wanted to challenge myself with.
Just a storyboard, I thought, no way in hell could I actually write this.

Now i'm looking at it, in all its glory, amazed that this has become something I have the ability to plot and write....

I just wanted to say this somewhere, to get it off my chest.

buoyant frigate
#

That’s awesome!

ionic viper
#

🎉 👏 👏 👏 🎉

rocky zephyr
#

@earnest bay p sick

copper lark
#

my dog got back from the vet an hour ago and he hasnt moved off of the sofa and hes grumbling at everyone

#

ive never seen him so grumpy its kinda funny

faint panther
upbeat scroll
#

someone recommended to me a korean drama called W

#

watching the first episode right now

#

jumps from lighthearted to grim really fast

#

love this metafiction stuff

limber horizon
upbeat scroll
#

as long as the future isnt electron...

limber horizon
#

That's the point of PWAs

#

no need for crappy wrappers ;)

upbeat scroll
#

i guess ill keep an eye out

chilly briar
#

js is the future 🤓

#

(jk I hate js but at least you can edit literally anything that extends webkit / chrome lul)

#

being able to target web assembly is pretty exciting for platform agnostic development though, with languages starting to support it

#

like rust

copper lark
#

aaaaah bleaching my hair and oh babpy! it hurts

chilly briar
#

what colour you going?

copper lark
#

id say pink but

#

its kinda like,, peach maybe

#

im redoing my roots

#

bc its loooong overdue

#

im also playing ffxiv again and i missed it so much rooCry

tropic garden
#

i've never bleached my hair, i'm always anxious i'd mess it up >>;

copper lark
#

thats my worry every time i do it

tropic garden
#

it'd take a double-process too

#

my hair's real dark

copper lark
#

the only time i messed my hair up was when my sister did it

#

yeah,, my sister has black hair

#

her hair cant grow past her shoulders any more

#

but she also did A lot to her hair

chilly briar
#

I miss ffxiv

#

I wish I had time for it

copper lark
#

i wish i had money for it :(

#

they have 7 days free for old accounts

#

i missed my miqo’te

#

hm

#

my hair is a little

#

jacked up

#

actually it’s okay just kinda patchy i think my colour dye will fix it

tardy anchor
#

hope it shows up well 🙏 !!

hasty kernel
#

I wish FFXIV wasnt a sub-based MMO

#

Or had better combat

#

Or both, really

copper lark
#

i like it 👉👈

#

i wish it wasn’t sub based tho

unreal bridge
#

Anyone else excited about the first actual image of a black hole?

#

im just 📳

somber ferry
#

it's so much brighter than i expected it to look!!

hasty kernel
#

I know a lot of people like it

#

But it just feels so bloody slow

vocal brook
#

It's SO COOL!

copper lark
#

not to uh toot my own horn but

#

😎

vocal brook
#

Verified Cool Dude™

serene tulip
#

can someone contextualize that for me?

copper lark
#

the thing i sent?

#

i finished a dungeon in an mmo, played healer for the first time and 3 people gave me a commendation

#

3 people being,, everyone else in the party

tardy anchor
#

thanatwos

hasty kernel
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Oh yeah, apparently the FF guys are working on another MMO

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Hopefully this time with good combat

copper lark
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why,,

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like another ff mmo?

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or seperate

hasty kernel
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From what Ive heard, no

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Something seperate apparently

copper lark
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phew ok

hasty kernel
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Not that it matters much

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Its not like a new MMO would mean FFXIV goes unsupported

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FFXI still gets updated regularly

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For some reason

honest glade
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I've been enjoying my time in FF14-- kinda. I have issues with it... I've hated the combat since 1.0 because I'm unfortunately a Legacy player who was spoiled by games like PSU and Tera. It's questing system obviously pales in comparison to TSW's (because EVERY MMORPG's questing system pales in comparison to TSW's). And the story, while better than others, still has a handful of annoying characters and contrived nonsense.

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But I enjoy the world and the overall style of the game. That and I'm a roleplayer, so I get a lot more out of my time/experience than someome who just grinds their gear, raids, and flutters elsewhere.

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My guild's main game of choice used to be GW2, but the content trickles in so slowly and/or inconsistently that it's just not sustainable for us.

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Some of us still play the new updates when they launch, but those are quickly completed and then there's nothing else to do, so we leave.

hasty kernel
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Eh, I found that there is a lot to do in GW2 even past the content

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But its all so free-form that its hard to keep a whole guild motivated on it

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GW2, for better or for worse, is a game you can take a break from, and pick up and play later without losing out on anything

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But yeah, FFXIV is beautiful, has a nice world and the character models are nice to look at

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Its just not great as a game

honest glade
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Well, for me, I've completed every map/jumping puzzle/dungeon... I've done all story content... Made the legendaries I care to make... Have every class leveled and geared (except Guardian because I hate it)... Made my ascended sets... Got all my crafting classes done...

copper lark
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im weak for ff GWqlabsKek

hasty kernel
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Well, that is a lot

honest glade
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I got the griffon and the roller beetle. Not the warclaw because WvW bores me to tears... Raiding in GW2 has always been something I've been against the concept of and hate the implementation of... Then PvP is just not for me...

hasty kernel
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Idk, I enjoy raiding and fractals, but fair

honest glade
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So for me, there's nothing else. Unless I forced myself to run Fractals.

hasty kernel
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Though there is the side story stuff

honest glade
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Which I've done in the past, but they offer no rewards I care for.

hasty kernel
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But yeah, I guess you just burned out on GW2

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Though, does FFXIV really have much more to do?

honest glade
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It doesn't. From a gameplay perspective, I've exhausted both games. But like I said, I roleplay, so I kind of get to "extend" the use of my time in a game by running tabletop-esque storytelling sessions.

hasty kernel
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Ah, makes sense

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I suppose FFXIV is a nicer world to roleplay in

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Since its not on continuous brink of destruction

honest glade
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It's why TSW's quest design was so highly lauded to me, because I'm a strong advocate for narrative content in my games, and that was the only MMO to capitalize on that focus... Too bad the rest of the game was... Yikes. An unoptimized mini-disaster.

hasty kernel
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Even though GW2 has the Asura

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And FFXIV does not

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Ergo GW2 is scientifically proven to be superior

honest glade
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Lalafell as a concept are a disaster.

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😂

hasty kernel
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How so

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My only exposure to them is Shantotto in Dissidia

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And she was great

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No wait, she was a Tarutaru which is apparently different?

honest glade
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I'll die on the hill of arguing the Tarutaru are separate enough from Lalafell to have their own identity.

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But that's besides the point -- I'm not a fan of childlike animations/voices being given to a race meant to be taken seriously. Asura act like the adult braniacs they are. They're delightfully weird and neurotic.

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Meanwhile Lalafell are over here rocking from side to side, waddling, and squealing like toddlers and whatnot... And for a period of time, we had two as major villains. It's like... This looks like a potato child with a moustache... Even if I think of it from the perspective of an in-universe character, it's not intimidating.

hasty kernel
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Oh I suppose they make for poor villains

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Though it feels a bit like DnDs rock gnomes?

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A small, very friendly race that have an almost childlike joy in everything they do

honest glade
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I just find it to be... creative dissonance when a developer obviously wants something to be taken seriously, but then they give it qualities and characteristics that promote the opposite intention.

hasty kernel
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I mean it can work

honest glade
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It'd be like if Hades was sitting up on his throne giggling and twiddling his thumbs, or skipping around the House while humming.

hasty kernel
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That dissonance can amplify the creepiness though off the top of my head I cant think of many examples

honest glade
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If written well, especially if you're going for a psychopath, I understand how that can work. But it's painfully obviously that's not Square Enix's goal with Lalafell.

hasty kernel
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Mmh

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Anyway, Asura are the best race in MMOs

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And theyre so cute too

honest glade
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I like Asura, I have 4 alts that are Asura. I wish that some of the people who played them weren't, uh... Doing things that give them (or any short race in an MMO) such a bad rep.

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But they're neat.

hasty kernel
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If you mean what I think you mean

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Then Asura of all of them shouldnt really be a problem

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Theyre not like Elin

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God I hated Elins

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And 2 very fun classes were restricted to them

honest glade
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That's one part of what I meant. I dunno what it is, but trolls and "creepy people" tend to be attracted to short races since they see them as meme fodder. Doesn't mean everyone who plays them is like that, obviously, but it's kind of annoying to see. lol

hasty kernel
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Ah

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That makes more sense

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I just like Asura a lot, and most Asura players Ive met were nice

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Which, given how arrogant and self-centered Asura are is rather ironic

honest glade
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I stopped playing Tera before they released new classes. Glad I stopped playing it when I did... But I appreciate it for showing me a battle system I loved.

hasty kernel
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I played it pretty much only because of its combat

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But when Reaper and Ninja were Elin only

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Yeah no

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Everything about Elin is just creepy

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And the excuse of "theyre actually totally very old" really doesnt work when everything about them goes against that

honest glade
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I actually played an Elin, but I was a Berserker, so she was covered in armor at all times.

hasty kernel
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Even the voice just bothered me

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On the other hand I liked the Castanics

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Because at least early on

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They were equal in terms of how shirtless they were

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I even made sure that my Castanic Dude did not wear any armor that would cover his beautiful abs

honest glade
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I had a Castanic Priest, but looking back, I wasn't a huge fan of how they were... Uh... Very not family friendly, is the terminology I'll use.

hasty kernel
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Yeah thats fair

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But on the other hand, shirtless buff demon dudes

honest glade
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My favorite race in that game were the Amani. I thought their design was neat.

hasty kernel
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Speaking of races that weird me out

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The new FFXIV one

honest glade
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Those ugly Hrothgar? XD

hasty kernel
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No those are fine

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They are budget Charrs, but theyre at least respectable

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No, the other race

honest glade
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Viera? Au Ra?

hasty kernel
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Viera, thats the one

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The weird bunny girls that look like theyre straight out of TERA

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Didnt help that the reveal trailer thingie had them prouncing around in lingerie

honest glade
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In all fairness, FF12 predates Tera, and that's the game they're from.

hasty kernel
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Yeah I meant more style-wise

honest glade
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And their outfits are the costume of the major Viera character from that game

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So it was a pure marketing move

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I don't LIKE it

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But I get why they did it

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I honestly wish they didn't add a new race at all for this next expac.

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I feel like they should've done one or the other, made them completely polished with both genders, then release them one at a time.

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They could've just brought the other one in for 6.0 or 7.0.

hasty kernel
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On one hand Im glad GW2 never added another race

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On the other hand Im sad we cant play Largos or Dredge

honest glade
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I know a lot of people want either Tengu or Largos. I'd be interested in seeing either of those... but I doubt they'd make another race.

hasty kernel
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At this point almost certainly not

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Im not big on Tengu

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But Largos are interesting enough and have a very cool aesthetic

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And Dredge because the Dredge are awesome

honest glade
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I like the idea of Dredge being tiny little Russian mole people who weaponize sound, but I hate fighting them. Annoying little buggers.

hasty kernel
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Theyre also the second-most technologically advanced race

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After Asura, obviously

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Though even the Asura respect their tech

honest glade
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Really? I always considered Charr number two because of what the Iron Legion makes.

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That's why the Pact was so effective. Asuran ingenuity and Charr industrialization.

hasty kernel
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Charr tech is pretty good, but its mostly in line with Dredge tech

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The difference is that Dredges soundtech is both unparalleled in its ingenuity, and in its effectiveness

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Or in other words, given the resources the Dredge could build anything the charr can, but not vice versa

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That was more about the Charr having the resources and available tech

honest glade
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Fair enough.

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Now if only the Dredge weren't so annoying to fight. 😭

hasty kernel
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Honestly they never seemed all that annoying to me

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Biggest thing was their daze, but even Raptors are worse in that regard

honest glade
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I'm the opposite. I don't mind Raptors because they don't stun me or knock me down like Dredge tech does.

hasty kernel
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Wait, Dredge can stun?

honest glade
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And it's never just a few Dredge. It's always a Dredge area. And you have to go through the whole thing to do... whatever it is you must do.

hasty kernel
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Oh, the suits

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Those stun

honest glade
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Stun, daze, etc. It stops me from doing actions.

hasty kernel
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Right

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Raptors Daze

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I think all of them do?

honest glade
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I've never noticed. Maybe I kill them too quickly.

hasty kernel
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Yeah they do this like screech attack

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Which dazes you for a couple of seconds

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... oh my god I just got a Dredge pun

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Dostoev Sky Peak

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Dostoevsky

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As in the author

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I never got that

honest glade
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Hah. Sneaky ANet.

hasty kernel
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I mean most of the Dredge puns are obvious

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Moletariat

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Molenin

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But that one was so subtle I really never got it

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On a GW2-related sidenote

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There is a hummingbird mount now

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Its so frikkin adorable

copper lark
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need... gil

vocal brook
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It's freakin Pig time, babey!

tardy anchor
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🐷 ⏰

upbeat scroll
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OINK

royal kestrel
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That seems like a good card

nova pilot
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God card more like

upbeat scroll
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cute image i found Online

somber ferry
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love it!!!!

velvet fjord
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wow that card looks so broken lol

upbeat scroll
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wait, does the card go back to your hand even if it dies when you attack

serene tulip
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@upbeat scroll I would assume it does.

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unless its removed from the game

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er, exiled

hasty kernel
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Nah

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If it dies, it doesnt go back

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Also, its the red standin for Hazoret since she aint eternalized

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Also its funny that the forerunners are stronger than the actual razeboar

serene tulip
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it doesn't say anything about the card being in play

upbeat scroll
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return to hand could mean from graveyard

hasty kernel
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Doesnt have to

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Its probably one of the subrules in the rule document, though I cant be bothered to look it up

serene tulip
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If the raze-boar dies do you still return the creature to your hand?

hasty kernel
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But long story short, it only returns to your hand from the battlefield

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Yes

serene tulip
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are there other cards that have had the same effect which would have had a ruling?

hasty kernel
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A couple

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Red White Nahiri Im pretty sure does it with her ult

serene tulip
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ok

copper lark
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exiled volfredthink

serene tulip
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still, ambiguously worded 😛

hasty kernel
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Yes because the actual base rules cover it

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Magic is jank in a lot of ways, but this makes sense

serene tulip
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sorry for leading you astray, thecakeflavor

vocal brook
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Also, Ilharg actually does work very well with his Forerunners which is nice

hasty kernel
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The Razorhoof Boarhemoths have a purpose, yay

serene tulip
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I like that he costs 5 mana

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mono-red aggro made me so mad when I played

hasty kernel
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Mono-red Aggro is magic at its purest

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Well not really but its close

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On the other hand, that 5 mana planeswalker who shall not be named was a mistake

serene tulip
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Jace the Mind Sculptor has a CMC of 4

hasty kernel
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Jace hasnt been in standard for years tho

serene tulip
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yeah, I'm old.

hasty kernel
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JTMS was also a mistake tho

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Youre right on that

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He was way worse than the current one too

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But its still bad

vocal brook
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Folks.... I've never built a non-green deck in my life, but Ilharg calls to me

serene tulip
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So, I picked up arena a bit ago

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and built a Dimir deck

limber horizon
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I JUST SAW PEOPLE TALKIN ABOUT CAGLE AND IM JUST thinking about how many times i've requested red on a patreon stream and i.... want my baybey girl.... drawn

serene tulip
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that not only made you discard your hand and large chunks of your deck

limber horizon
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i wonder if she's even played ityet

serene tulip
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but also stole a bunch of your stuff

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and... I feel like the amount of joy I had playing that deck says something about me as a person

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but I'm not sure I like what it says....

hasty kernel
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Nothing wrong with a little evil

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So long as you dont splash white mana for the planeswalker that shall not be named

chilly briar
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@copper lark i missed my miqo’te
What a mood

copper lark
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i just love her

cunning holly
faint panther
chilly briar
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Home sick atm and I decides to get a ez mcdonalds meal, they forgot to put the chicken in the McChicken... I have a sad bun now lmao

tardy anchor
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its just a mc... 😔

chilly briar
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Lol they were just as confused

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Awkward

tropic garden
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not only were they just as confused, they were confused as