Well that definition is "does it cause any noticable loss of sales"
#off-topic-discussion
hasty kernel
Im not sure what other good it can do
Far as I know it doesnt wash your car or shine your shoes
hybrid wasp
Regardless of its actual effect, it likely has a cultural effect where a game on steam is perceived as more secure by incestors and the rest of the money-holders. This in exchange for the minimal intrusion that steam makes on your wishes to copy and spread a product you bought a license for.
hasty kernel
Well, thats an amusing typo
velvet void
lol
hybrid wasp
gdi
delicate light
Albin plz
chrome olive
Well said Albin
delicate light
banne 
hasty kernel
Anyway, based on how many games dont have DRM, and still seem to do fine, I dont exactly believe it has that cultural effect
hybrid wasp
Hard to know without slipping into some alternate universes for a while so we'll have to agree to disagree on that view, as I'm pretty sure that angle has not been studied.
chrome olive
Lightweight, non-aggressive DRM like Steam's certainly stops casual software piracy, fo rone.
hasty kernel
It doesnt though
chrome olive
If the attractions + conveniences of the client outweigh the savings + hassle of pirating the game.
hasty kernel
Pirating is as easy as it was before
hybrid wasp
Keyword casual
chrome olive
Thanks, gog.
hasty kernel
Buying a legal copy is as easy as it was before
hybrid wasp
Extremely casual
hasty kernel
Well, arguably easier even
chrome olive
I used to be a casual pirate myself in my wild, misspent youth.
I stopped because buying legal copies on Steam was more convenient.
hasty kernel
Well, based on studies, youre the exception, not the rule
chrome olive
I'm not speaking hypothetically here. Though I don't claim to be speaking for some huge portion of the gaming public either.
Do you mean taht one study?
hasty kernel
The only time I ever pirated games was when I wasnt sure about them and they had no Demo
chrome olive
Are there others that examine casual piracy and the effects of Steam's copy protection?
hasty kernel
I bought the ones I liked, and didnt buy the ones I wouldnt have bought otherwise
delicate light
Yeah but what about your friends?
hasty kernel
If you mean what my friends do, only 2 ever pirate
One also uses it as a pseudo-demo
hybrid wasp
However, here is where it is worth noting the bonuses that steam provides in exchange for its DRM: Automatic patching, linked communities, fairly simple cloud saving, matchmaking infrastructure.
If someone does not want these features, then sure, I guess steam is a net downside as it stops people from doing literally everything that is possible to do with a digital copy.
delicate light
I, for example, played Pyre from Albin using steam library sharing, and still bought Pyre for myself when it was on sale because I wanted to have my own copy
hasty kernel
The other one is broke as Heck
hasty kernel
When studies are conducted with large sample sizes
It shows that you are an exception
chrome olive
It's still easier to install a game on steam than it is to go to a torrent site, find a copy, scan it for viruses, go through the gog installer rigmarole, scan it for viruses again.
If money is not an object.
delicate light
Ye
hasty kernel
Automatic patching is also done by Epic Games afaik
hybrid wasp
Sure, so they're a better service in your eyes.
velvet void
and what makes up these sample sizes, hardcore pirates that were going to steal the game regardless or casual sharers ?
is what i wonder
hasty kernel
I mean theyre a better service because they take 12% only first and foremost
hybrid wasp
Give them your money, and see if the market moves.
chrome olive
How is any automatic patching strucutre not at the same time DRM?
hasty kernel
If its opt-in?
chrome olive
Unless it lets you automatically patch a copy with unverified ownership
hybrid wasp
Oh, so you can opt out or in of the DRM is the point?
hasty kernel
Also that would be a possibility?
I dont actually know
Gotta admit, automatic patching is not something I ever thought about much
chrome olive
It probably wouldn't be by any sane operater of a digital storefront. To waste resources on unverified customers.
hybrid wasp
It's something I've missed sorely on the rare occasions I've pirated things.
hasty kernel
And Kuri, the way it was split was that over half were people who were never going to buy the game in the first place
And the remaining were almost 50/50 those who pirate and dont buy the game even though they otherwise wouldve, and those who pirate and do buy the game
Hence why the effect is basically unnoticable
velvet void
another thing about those studies is that we need a way to verify those claims. People will tend to say one thing and do another .
hasty kernel
Its a whole field of science
velvet void
People say they will buy a game after pirating but how it that proven
hybrid wasp
https://juliareda.eu/2017/09/secret-copyright-infringement-study/ The study in question. For ease of access.
chrome olive
As far as I'm aware you're still only citing that one study.
hasty kernel
Its the most recent one, and its the only one that specifically included video games
A better question would be, why are there no studies that show that piracy affects sales?
hybrid wasp
That is my issue here, yes. I would like somr replication, I assume it's peer reviewed since EU and stuff.
A simple answer to that could be a low volume of studies in general.
hasty kernel
Basically
Few people have a reason to make those studies
And given what the result tends to be, a lot of them dont want to
delicate light
I wonder though, if there was a truly impossible to pirate game, if that game would have significant more sales compared to others
chrome olive
Perhaps not, but it'd be a lot more attractive to investment.
velvet void
cant say for sure
chrome olive
Which in the case of the malignant anti-consumer DRM like denuvo, is the entire point.
chrome olive
They're putting it in to appease shareholders, not for any real benefit.
delicate light
But even games with denuvo get pirated
hasty kernel
Unless you have some kind of amazing demo system
Which itself costs money
And probably begs the question of "is it even worth it"
Thats the problem, Piracy has been shown to cause people to buy the game who otherwise wouldnt have
I doubt I wouldve bought Mark of the Ninja without pirating it first
hybrid wasp
Well, as you said, sample size.
velvet void
already found some interesting things in the study
hybrid wasp
You sir, have more patience than me.
velvet void
kids 14-17 were oversampled
chrome olive
Mark of the ninja had a demo, though ;p
velvet void
kinda raises some questions about why most of them were not willing to buy the game in the first place
chrome olive
Unless I'm mistaken
hybrid wasp
Looking back though, I feel like we've derailed slightly? Didn't this chat start about why Steam shouldn't be lumped in with malignant DRM?
chrome olive
Kids 14-17 don't tend to exactly be loaded...
velvet void
and it was a online questionnaire
hybrid wasp
Now we've trodden into the massive discussion of copyright harm.
hasty kernel
Back then I dont think it had
chrome olive
I know I certainly had a very limited budget in that period.
chrome olive
Fair enough I guess. I presume this was also before the refund system
hasty kernel
Because lets be real, 2D stealth game is quite unusual
Yeah, it was
It was however good
So I bought it
chrome olive
Yeah MOTN is amazing.
velvet void
all these years taking Psych paid off so i can understand studies lol
velvet void
"Gottem"
chrome olive
You can always be creative with statistics to make the study say what you want it to say. :p
velvet void
but yeah, online questionnaire are good for general ideas and nothing conclusive
we would need more studies for that
so until then we will only be able to speculate
hasty kernel
There has been a couple studies specifically about movies and music
Which found the same thing
velvet void
which leads to me having to find who exactly they got their answers and by which processes and me having to read them
chrome olive
You happen to have links to them?
velvet void
which i will do
and again comparing piracy as a whole and not linking them to their respective medium is tricky
chrome olive
you also can't have perfect information in these things
velvet void
and if we rely on online questionnaires then the similar problems arise, we need a lot to get concrete answers
hasty kernel
I mean, true
But the other thing is, we cant ever perfectly disprove something
Because thats not how proof works
velvet void
also true
hasty kernel
The lack of proof positive however begs the question
Why do we assume it to be true if we have nothing to support that it is?
chrome olive
Common sense? Though that's not perfect either.
hasty kernel
Common sense doesnt work well at all actually
If it is true, we find something to support it is
velvet void
this is very true
hasty kernel
But quite often, common sense turns out to just be wrong
velvet void
people tend to look for the answers that support their beliefs or is the easier answer to come to
theres a lot of logical fallacies that the common man will engage in their daily life
chrome olive
But re: the studies, I'd want to see a study that had a sample size of hundreds if not thousands, and tracked their game purchasing trends over 10-20 years. Which... is probably never going to happen.
velvet void
again, the studies have given good insight but nothing conclusive
chrome olive
Re: common sense being that if Joe Blow steals a copy of [product] he has zero incentive to ever buy a legal copy of that product in the future.
Other than decency, of course.
hasty kernel
The counterpoint is, most people who would steal a product wouldnt buy it in the first place
Especially if its on such a relatively low price point as a video game
chrome olive
As the seller of that product, I wouldn't make that distinction.
velvet void
even that statement is tricky cuz game prices are varied
hasty kernel
The truth is that both halves have a kernel of truth in them
chrome olive
Nor do these studies check for whether they'd ever buy it at some point in the future when its discounted.
merry wolf
imagine being a little spanish kid and playing through resident evil 4 without knowing english
velvet void
I.E me
had no idea what Leon was saying but all i knew what the other guys were going to kill me
chrome olive
If they pirate it at launch becaus ethey cant afford $60, there is significantly less chance they'll buy it two years from then when it's $20
velvet void
and that they wanted me to look behind me
hasty kernel
Sure, but there is no guarantee theyd buy it in two years when its 20$ either
chrome olive
Also, as the seller, I'd want to deny thieves any access to my product on the expectation they MIGHT buy it at a lower price pointin the future.
Again, as the seller, I wouldn't care if they would never uy it regardless of price. I wouldnt want them using it under any circumstances, unless they've obtained it legally.
velvet void
i feel we gotten to point in this argument that we said all that we had and further discussion isnt going to be productive
cuz we're getting into hypotheticals
although i very much enjoyed being a part of this
chrome olive
Yeah more or less
velvet void
a nice respectful discussion between 2 sides with passionate view points
chrome olive
But yeah to check how likely customers would be to buy a product later at a lower price, if they werent able to pirate it at launch, you'd need something like the study I gave an example of. Tracking specific subjects over 2-3 years
And a second group that was allowed to pirate normally and was also tracked for 2-3 years to see how likely theyd be to buy a legal copy later.
hasty kernel
I suppose what is worth mentioning
Is that Youtube has made most music free to listen to
velvet void
and spotify
hasty kernel
Well spotify technically does pay them as far as Im aware
Whereas Youtube generally doesnt
merry wolf
what are your fav games, guys?
silver wren
Hogs of War
fallow coral
Undertale and Cave story
silver wren
Poured like a thousand hours into singleplayer campaign
fading yarrow
Kentucky Route Zero! Of all times ❤
merry wolf
@fading yarrow hmmm, never heard of it, guess i'll add it to the list
nostalgia wise my fav would have to be Beyond Good & Evil
fading yarrow
It will get a sequel rather soon
fading yarrow
I love how the developers announced the artist contest, everyone could take part as creator of posters and all other graphical objects in game
merry wolf
omg, when they announced that contest thing there were so many people out there calling it a scam
and claiming that ubi is sneakily outsourcing assets
chrome olive
Transistor 
Have they finished KR0 yet?
I remember buying it when it first came out and waiting yearrrrrrrsss for episodes.
faint panther
Well, Ubisoft is outsourcing assets. The concept of that platform (HitRECord) they are using is intriguing as it promises a fair compensation for assets that are eventually used in the game, however you could argue that it is still taking advantage of creators by having them essentially create a large library of assets for free where Ubi can then "shop" for the ones they like.
It's certainly a step up from companies having "contests" where fans send in their work and the price is "your work will be included into the game and you name will be in the credits!" (aka "exposure").
fading yarrow
@chrome olive KY0 is close to being complete, 4/5 Acts out now, +3 free episodes (Interludes), Act V in 2019, I guess
chrome olive
Good god. I think it's going to tie with duke nukem forever by the time they finally finish it.
dusky cloud
Anyone know if Hades will come to xbox?
chrome olive
Only took six years.
dusky cloud
I would assume so, but just thought I'd ask
sour crown
Rayne, check the FAQ
chrome olive
I'd be shocked if its not on all the platforms at launch.
sour crown
We’ve never launched a game into Early Access before, and our players have come to expect complete, self-contained games from us ever since Bastion’s debut in 2011. With Hades, we knew we really wanted to create a game we could develop in partnership with the community, and from talking to the folks at Epic, we realized their store would be the perfect place to conduct our latest experiment.
Our focus during Early Access will be on making Hades the best game possible. If you’re the sort of player who’s open to and interested in experiencing a game like ours take shape over time, you’ll be able to take part in its journey on the Epic Games store. If you’d prefer to wait until the game is 100% complete, we expect Hades will eventually be available on a variety of platforms, once Early Access is complete.```Guess I wanted something more explicit, but sure.
Hate the epic games store. So guess I have to wait to support Supergiant.
faint panther
hey guys just joined the the discord group
velvet void
TEN OUTTA TEN
supple terrace
I made honey mustard and thyme pumpkin seeds.
merry wolf
have you guys ever seen someone say something like: "omg, [some game] ruined ALL THE GAMES for me, there's no way i'm ever gonna find something better"?
kinda silly imo
why compare [some game] to everything else, judge other games on their own merits
spice carbon
Ugh I hate it when people say that
Just cause one game in a franchise is a bit off doesn't mean the other games are any worse
spice carbon
Like I can understand why people want to compare games
But it usually never leads to anything good
supple terrace
I usually only do a comparison to understand mechanics/explain the mixture if possible.
nova pilot
Within-genre comparison is fine
Out-of-genre comparison makes no sense
I can't really say "FIFA 2018 is worse than Civ 6"
merry wolf
i have flashbacks of people from ign's comment sections that complain about totally unrelated games reviewed by totally different people being scored differently
silver wren
Welp, DotA ruined all the games to me TBQH
After a long period of playing I have commitment issues and low attention span
So now I have to force myself to play a game more than an hour at a time
Like I really want to get through morrowind again
But if ten years ago I could spend like 10 hours straight playing it now I have to make like 3 sessions 45 minutes each
During free weekend that is
And while I understand that I might not have time to enjoy it later due to work and plans over next weekend I can't do anything with it
So I basically Yslachpost there, anyway
Not that I don't enjoy it
merry wolf
i think what i really wanted to say is I really hate it whenever a new hot thing like Witcher 3 or God of War launches and so many people claim that this new hot thing is now officially a new peak of the medium that makes literally every other game terrible in comparison, even ones that aren't even remotely similar to those
silver wren
Nah, new games are trash tbh
Graphics gets old if it's not stylized, osts migrate to players, plot is chewed by fanbases so much it gets uncomfortable to even mention it
The game formulas are calculated, risks are not necessary, use the previous succesful game model and you are gucci
Every new successful title is beaten to death by copies
Like it happened to sandboxes and battle royales
merry wolf
companies really don't want to take risks now
silver wren
Yep, the new games are too much of an investment
nova pilot
Supergiant took a risk on Pyre and it was great!
silver wren
And it didn't sell quite good
merry wolf
yes
silver wren
Which led to the next game being less artistry and more appealing to wide audience
Everyone likes mythology and rogue-lites
merry wolf
exactly
silver wren
The good thing is that the art side is wholly good old Supergiant
However, I still expect the focus of the game being much wider than currently present, with more characters and stuff
floral osprey
jen zee is extraordinary
cedar rock
agreed!
cunning holly
Metro Exodus and Dying Light 2 are like the only 2 E3 games I'm excited about
Oh and 2077, but that's not coming out for quite a while
velvet fjord
the outer worlds seemed neat
opaque patio
tender maple
Are there any rooms to post gameplay pics in?
neat hawk
atomic roost
replaying 'Jotun' from Thunder Lotus games
haven't actually finished it because the last boss is very tough
but GOOD GAME
atomic roost
those spears keep whackin me
sigh
i have a heavy weakness for mythology-inspired-beautifully-rendered shorter games
i love being able to just look at the game and admire the art
not that other styles aren't beautiful
but ART
upbeat scroll
i got halfway through jotun
it looks really nice but it's easy to get lost
atomic roost
it seems like a lot of developers don't know when to put a map
i think in jotun it was a conscious decision because they wanted you to explore
but there's others that needed it and just...don't have one
tawny cobalt
Legion is the most disappointing show I've seen in so long.
It's just so... bad. Literally every character in the show has at one point did something so unthinkably dumb that it's hard to feel like they are anything other than plot devices.
faint panther
Legion is that show with the unstable mutant with the extreme psycho powers, right?
I think I watched the first season and a bit of the second, but while it was kinda interesting seeing all those weird style elements they used for the show, it felt like it was just getting more and more weirder (and it started out pretty weird to begin with) for the sake of being weird.
Apparently it all makes a lot more sense if you know the character from the comics - at least that's what a friend who's read those told me
surreal hull
Really quick, my thoughts on the Epic Games Store as a continuation from what was brought up and quickly redirected in #h1-discussion - I find it interesting, but that's about it right now. It might not help that they launched the platform with precisely two games on it (not counting Fortnite), one Early Access and one totally new and relatively unknown, but the Epic Games Store currently has very little going for it. It feels like they rushed the marketplace out the door without having everything properly lined up first.
I get they're trying to make up for the current shortcomings with free games simply for using the client, and supplementing developer and publisher revenue streams with a better split in favor of the developer to get a leg up over Steam's current split. I don't think that's enough right now though, and it may hurt the Epic Store in the long term. I walk in to the store, and my first impression is few games. No review system in place for the existing content. Very few launcher based settings options for the game I did buy.
A big, unfortunate thing Epic seems to be depending on is basically bringing the realm of console exclusivity to the PC marketplace. Previously, existing marketplaces were pretty cohesive. It was either Steam, a service that sold Steam keys and DRM free keys depending on the game, and then GOG that sells DRM free keys and focuses on selling older games that aren't necessarily widely available or previously easy to get running on modern hardware (hence the name Good Old Games). Epic is going out of their way though to try to secure games exclusively for their marketplace, with whether these are timed or permanent deals something that is yet to be seen.
Now, Epic isn't the first to try something like this. Origin and uPlay, owned by EA and Ubisoft respectively, have been trying to either prioritize or exclusively release games on their launcher for years with mixed results, often tossing games on Steam after awhile anyways to increase sales. Epic seems to be the first though to be a major, all inclusive PC marketplace trying to secure exclusivity rights to selling particular titles. I don't want to see an iteration of the console wars come into full swing on PC.
upbeat scroll
i don't know how comparable this is to a console war
consoles require buy-in, which is a huge step for people to take
people are generally a lot more willing to just dl another launcher than they are to drop 400 bucks on another box
surreal hull
That's fair, but ultimately console wars are fueled by exclusives. Otherwise its just akin to buying a PC.
upbeat scroll
exclusivity is gross but in this case it's a lot less harmful to people's wallets
surreal hull
Also, I can safely say, I could buy every system of the current gen and not match what I paid for my PC. Console's buy in price makes it pretty acceptable in the long run if we're doing a console to PC comparison.
upbeat scroll
sure, but not everyone has that kinda money to blow
surreal hull
Basically, with PC, I pay $1200 for full access to all games on the existing marketplaces available. On console, I can pay about $1000 for full access to all games on the existing marketplaces available.
With console though, I have the option of picking what marketplace I ultimately support.
The same is true of PC marketplaces.
upbeat scroll
the way i see this hades thing going for me, a linux gamer, is this:
- hades will eventually release on a launcher that supports linux so that the linux version can come out
- epic will release a linux version of their launcher, perhaps better supporting linux versions of their games in the future
- sgg wont release a linux version for some reason
1 is good, 2 is great, and 3 is unlikely
surreal hull
Well, honestly, that seems like a very Linux gamer oriented problem, which makes up about as large of a percentage of PC gamers as Mac users. Focusing on Windows is just smart, especially since most people running Linux are competent enough to keep Windows on board and boot it when they need it.
surreal hull
Competent enough as in tech savvy enough to have a dual boot process set up.
Most people aren't installing Linux if they aren't fairly comfortable with the general OS install/uninstall and set up processes.
upbeat scroll
there's able, and then there's willing
ive got my own reasons
but that's besides the point
surreal hull
I also imagine anyone installing Linux realizes that there are certain concessions being made over running Windows. They clearly are not 1:1 experiences. Although it's nice things are becoming more aware Linux is a thing, it's also not at a point where it's necessarily worth investing development time to make special versions of everything to work on it.
That's why Wine exists though, I suppose.
upbeat scroll
more stuff works than you might think, especially with wine
surreal hull
It's just like, you literally have to use something that basically acts as Windows Lite to run a ton of stuff still. Native support for Linux is almost out the window in a lot of cases with "I'm sure someone will get it working with Wine for us instead"
In the end though, Linux isn't really an argument for the Epic Store existing. They may play nicer with Linux, they may not. It won't really impact whether the store thrives, dies, or exists as yet another marketplace simply overshadowed by Steam.
upbeat scroll
if they really want to compete with steam, linux support is a step they could take in that direction
surreal hull
I'm guessing their method of competition will rely largely on indie developers focusing on the more friendly revenue split. AAA developers will never sacrifice the Steam userbase for a higher revenue split on Epic, which may become a problem for Epic if their big draw is primarily some exclusive indies.
upbeat scroll
hades isn't going to stay an epic exclusive when sgg decides to roll out linux version, unless epic makes a linux launcher, is what im saying
epic games launcher already has an opengl launcher, a port wouldn't be too much of a stretch
surreal hull
It's definitely not a coincidence that, right now, I look at the Epic store, and nothing on it exceeds AA (Darksiders 3), with the only exclusives being from indie developers with Hades all but promised to hit Steam once it exits Early Access.
And I figure if Steam has at least rudimentary Linux support, Epic will match or exceed it, but it just won't make a big difference in the long run. Like with Hades, their FAQ states heavily that Epic exclusivity is hardly a guaranteed thing.
upbeat scroll
indie is a good market to target, i agree, and indie is generally more acommodating to linux in my experience
steam has great linux support btw
surreal hull
That's good at least. I figure Steam has made it a point to at least get good client support on Windows, Mac, and Linux, while leaving it up to devs to get the actual game parts figured out.
upbeat scroll
not to gossip, but I've got a feeling that hades starting on epic is less of an exclusivity contract and maybe more of a power play
surreal hull
I think there may be a bit of an agreement involved, but yeah, I'm guessing smaller developers in particular are gonna make it a point to say "hey, I get more money here, and that matters when I don't have major backers funding my every project"
upbeat scroll
obviously hades won't be epic only, but I'm not convinced it's coming to steam
surreal hull
Though Steam can always come back with the fact that literally if someone is a PC gamer, they have Steam.
upbeat scroll
and that's a good thing to be clear
surreal hull
And it will be very, very hard for a small developer to totally pass up the Steam audience on promises of Epic growth.
That's a huge gamble.
upbeat scroll
sgg knows the demographics better than we do about whether they "need" steam
they'll make (have probably already made) the right decision
surreal hull
In Early Access, I figure sales aren't imperative, so Epic is fine for now and this acts as a good test of its overall viability.
It's at final release when reviews are dropping and marketing is fully happening where sales start to be considered, and this game will be in Early Access long enough to get a handle on whether or not Epic is growing at a reliable rate or if the game needs to go elsewhere.
It's not always a matter of needing Steam, but figuring out if sacrificing potentially thousands of sales is worth it.
Like, maybe a developer can get by without releasing on Steam, but maybe they also want to do better than get by.
upbeat scroll
this is all less than hearsay, I'll just wait and see
surreal hull
I just think that ultimately people are putting a bit too much trust in Epic that they will magically become a giant to push Valve around a bit. Valve has been in the game a very, very long time and is the only marketplace many PC gamers are familiar with at all. There are many, many people that have been exclusively building their libraries in Steam for over a decade. It's gonna take a lot to make Epic more than just another launcher that's kind of inconvenient to hold onto but has a couple games you can't play on Steam.
Their only real advantages right now are:
- The revenue split that will be highly appealing to indie devs.
- That Epic, like Valve, EA, and Ubisoft, can release their own games exclusively on their marketplace.
upbeat scroll
epic does have the big bucks... id bet on them over discord
surreal hull
I don't even count Discord, honestly. I don't even know if most people are aware that Discord sells games.
upbeat scroll
discord would really like you to know that though :P
surreal hull
They try to highlight it, but I have no idea how long it was until I actually noticed the marketplace was there.
upbeat scroll
it's the first thing that comes up when my discord launches
notifications get me, so i knew on launch
surreal hull
My Discord only launches when my computer restarts, and that basically only happens when Windows updates lol
upbeat scroll
their model is interesting but I'm not gonna buy into nitro for it
surreal hull
Discord is just trying to be a catch all for gamers though. Their marketplace and acting as an aggregate launcher is just trying to centralize games and communications in one place. I figure chat functionality is still Discord's major push.
Like, I know of a few people that have bought into Nitro just to use gif emotes.
upbeat scroll
i could see hades going on discord, tbh, but if it launched on there it might have started riots
surreal hull
The only game actually launching on Discord at this point is Last Year iirc. Even then, that only seems to be because they piggybacked off Discord for all their in-game social functions. There is literally nothing social in the game that isn't Discord powered at the moment.
I figure most other people won't bother since I haven't really heard anything about Discord being competitive with revenue, advertising, or otherwise to make their marketplace more enticing than the others.
They would be smart to basically buddy up with Steam.
upbeat scroll
there's a couple exclusives, or "first on discord", but nothing anyone's ever heard of
discord's intentionally butting heads with steam, and if they were to cooperate id think it'd be because one bought the other
steam also offers voip and group chats, so all their features overlap
discord's power is in that it's a social media, and people are on it
surreal hull
Discord is just missing the mark here on why people use Discord. I will never ever think of Discord first when it comes to buying a game. The marketplace is buried behind two additional menu clicks. I have to go out of way to get to it. They advertise their marketplace poorly, they advertise what is good about their marketplace poorly, and especially if I'm basically just a mobile Discord user, I will never ever see the marketplace.
upbeat scroll
I'm curious what discord has for revenue sharing, actually
surreal hull
This is the most I've used Discord on my desktop probably since I installed it.
I would also be curious to know more about the specifics of Discord's marketplace, because if it did offer something truly meaningful over other marketplaces, I might consider it. It just seems to be a bit late in Discord's existence to be trying to pivot, especially when Discord isn't exactly in a critical pivot or die state.
upbeat scroll
the wacky selling point is that for 10 a month you get a big part of the library
surreal hull
It would just be neat if they weren't basically giving you a bunch of games that anybody who has paid attention to Humble Bundle for the past decade has already gotten, if they didn't get the games off a Steam sale for $1 or $2 at some point anyways.
Like, scrolling through the list, I own a huge chunk of that on Steam already largely because of Humble Bundles tossing out indie games like candy over the years.
Especially back during the times when bundles had no tier based unlocks, and you could toss a penny in and get everything.
upbeat scroll
it'd be nice for people who don't already own those games, people who are new to gaming, but those kinds of people arent on discord
surreal hull
Yeah, Discord's problem is that it's a place for existing gamers. They don't do anything to pull in new or uninformed gamers.
And of course, there are tooooooons of console gamers on Discord.
upbeat scroll
seems like discord's cut is the same as steam's, and their refund policy is the same. they can't win unless they present some advantage over steam
surreal hull
In that case, they're basically depending on Nitro, which is a risky operation.
A risk I can't imagine has paid off super well yet.
upbeat scroll
free with nitro can be good... idk
i guess as a cost/benefit it isn't costing them much to run this store
surreal hull
Discord needs to push the Nitro model harder. Like, let Nitro to do more for the average Discord user than "oh look, I can use a few animated emotes", and emphasize that "hey, you also get free games on top of those benefits you can use across your servers"
All I can figure is that their marketplace is just a "something we can do pretty easily on the side" thing so it isn't a big deal if it isn't a crushing success.
upbeat scroll
makes sense
surreal hull
Still gonna forget it exists 90% of the time, so I'll just let it do its own thing lol
upbeat scroll
same
chrome olive
One thing that makes me suspicious of the epic games storefront is the free games every two weeks thing.
At that point I think they're trying TOO hard.
then again it isnt significantly different than humble bundle's "lol have 20 games for 1c" model, or steam's -90% sales
delicate light
I ended up installing the epic store just to get Hades and let's say that my first impressions haven't been very good, especially the way it tried to install Fortnite on my computer without me realizing what I was doing.
Then tried to pay with my credit card (immediately failed even though I never had problems on steam) and I got a message saying they were taking my funds for my "protection" (????)
delicate light
No idea, I checked my bank account and they actually didn't take anything so I don't know why they showed that message
Also if you get your account's password wrong twice they block your account for 2 hours (learned that the hard way) which again seems a bit excessive
sharp grail
did you manage to get the game, koishia?
I had trouble with buying it with two different cards and it didn’t work until i did it through paypal
I have a feeling at this stage it doesn’t let you buy anything unless you save your card details or have them on the account already, because when I tried the cards I always clicked “don’t save” but paypal saves automatically
brittle jetty
saw someone with a similar problem, i think, but they somehow fixed it, or it fixed itself
cunning holly
Epic games store also doesn't have any achievements / playtime tracking
2nd one is much more annoying
delicate light
@sharp grail managed to get it with paypal, yes. I did click on save my card details but didn't work so I have no idea, still I see I'm not the only one with that problem
pallid shard
@cunning holly Yeah I agree with that, it definitely seems like the launcher could have used more time/effort in the kitchen before launch
Kinda seems like they placed too much emphasis on the initial library over function
cunning holly
I totally see the need for a competitor for steam
But at the same time... it needs to be actually half decent
: (
pallid shard
Even GOG's launched in a better state
And that was supposed to be optional
Epic better roll updates over the next few weeks if they want the client to remain relevant
surreal hull
Fully agreed. There are tons of missing things right now. I didn't have any issues making a one time payment personally, but all other criticisms stand.
warm basin
Why do they have an issue with allowing people to review games? That seems weirdly fingers-in-ears-la-la-la anti-consumer, no?
cunning holly
What do you mean?
warm basin
Oh the Epic launcher
cunning holly
I guess they don't have a review system yet?
sharp grail
does origin and uplay have reviews btw?
i vaguely remember gog having them but i dont remember about them now
cunning holly
yeah GOG has reviews
cunning holly
correct
sharp grail
i know, but do they have options for reviews
pallid shard
The issue with the Epic Launcher is that it's barebones at its state
It's hard to tell what do they have planned
sharp grail
it looks like they basically got it out as fast as possible so theres not a lot in it rn
you cant know for sure if therell be reviews in the future or not
pallid shard
Yeah they kinda relied more of the "look at our library launch"
warm basin
I don't think a company that only publishes their own things in their own launcher would do reviews since you know why you're going there
sharp grail
thats fair
warm basin
They said they weren't going to do reviews, did they?
sharp grail
ah, i didnt see that then
cunning holly
The UI for the store looks pretty but it doesn't have the features to back it up
And free game every 2 weeks is pretty cool I guess
sharp grail
i didnt get if its free for 2 weeks or free to keep
warm basin
Clarifying: they said it was going to be opt-in
So if you want your game to have the ability to be reviewed you can opt in, or I guess if you don't like your reviews you can turn them off?
cunning holly
Nah it's free for a 2 week period alma
sharp grail
i see, that makes MUCH more sense
pallid shard
Yeah, would be kinda weird if it was permanent with the current game numbers
pallid shard
Library
surreal hull
The store currently has two non-Epic games last I checked with more "Coming Soon". Basically, the store was launched with no games, no features, with marketing shoved in at the Game Awards to give the impression that the store was ready and here are exclusive offerings. Not "all we actually have is two exclusive offerings and Fortnite".
cunning holly
also exclusives on game stores 
When it isn't even their game
At least they're planning to launch on other platforms
warm basin
PC is no longer a 'platform' apparently
cunning holly
🤷
surreal hull
Also, opt in for reviews, if that's a thing, is super dumb.
warm basin
Bad enough OS exclusivity is a thing
surreal hull
A platform that supports Early Access at the least should require reviews.
pallid shard
It's what drives the market
cunning holly
Competition drives the market
Not exclusives
You can be competitive without exclusives
cunning holly
Even though many use them to be competitive
warm basin
The same hardware exists underneath the OS. The games can all run on the hardware. The OS is already a barrier, but that's a whole different discussion
Cross save / cross buy / cross play is cool, except a phone / tablet is a terrible platform for 95% of games
merry wolf
when pick a new game to buy what is the main thing you guys look at aside from the price?
tardy anchor
art vibe
nova pilot
Replayability
merry wolf
like, a few years ago i simply went for whatever felt "the coolest" to me, i had a pretty bad taste i think
right now i would say i pick whatever looks the most unique
nova pilot
OK, well, I thought you meant reasonable reasons
"The coolest" is the way it is for everyone!
merry wolf
i'm really into games that give you an unique experience, like Catherine or RE Remake or Pyre
candid sparrow
I dont really look at the main thing. I guess i just look at the whole thing and decide whether i like it or not
Other times i'll take a chance with something im iffy about
Like i just bought kings field iv last week even after hearing that its super outdated. But im in love with it now lol
candid sparrow
Yeah its its supposedly the precursor to demons souls
And it really is super outdated. But i still love it
sharp grail
honestly because i mostly use steam, when i pick a new game to buy i look for short games
i go for the short walking sims with mixed reviews when theyre cheap bc i more often than not end up liking them
and since theyre so short, i just finish them in one sitting if i can and then i dont feel guilt about adding yet another game to the backlog
mystic nymph
dang why did we have to get a DS1 remaster instead of DeS remaster
candid sparrow
^
mystic nymph
I mean I know the reason is that DS1 is the more popular game by quite a large margin but I'd have quite liked to actually play DeS
candid sparrow
DeS remaster + the 6th archstone plz
upbeat scroll
Mostly what I look at is how much time I can sink into it
merry wolf
people say that there is a certain science behind color usage in media but i wonder if the same thing applies to character names, for instance most leading characters in star wars have really short names
mystic nymph
I usually don't buy a game unless its from a dev whose work I like or if a friend recommends it to me
faint panther
someone buy me hades thx
velvet void
Were it so easy
unreal bridge
Could people refrain from using super-flashy animated emojis here on discord?
Oh nvm I found a way to turn off animated emojis
unreal bridge
Tacoma is discounted quite a lot, and I've heard it's good, even if I haven't played it myself
https://store.steampowered.com/app/343860/Tacoma/
opaque quail
(Can confirm, Tacoma is a wonderful time!!)
merry wolf
fabulous
tardy anchor
oh CUTE
merry wolf
i hunt on XBO
cursive orchid
ah i play on pc
hasty kernel
God Eater is just better Monster Hunter
royal kestrel
@cursive orchid I WAS for most of this year. I eventually moved on, but had a great time playing through the tutorial (plus about 80 hours post-Xeno)
cursive orchid
@royal kestrel nice man! which weapon did you use? Played some today got a lil rage going on lol. Doara the Exploara sucks to fight with melee
royal kestrel
HH like the whole time
cursive orchid
HH? Ah I am working towards building one today actually, I went Hammer for low rank then went to bow cause Nerg is scarey up close, now I play CB
faint panther
Anywhere I can get a raw png of the green hades logo?
hasty kernel
Oh darn, I thought God Eater 3 was coming out in 2 days, turns out its only in Japan
Bloody Japan
candid sparrow
im about to softmod my ps2 so i can play fan translated japanese ISOs
i
really wanna play shadow tower abyss on my ps2
north hamlet
north hamlet
Upon further inspection the mouse is only worth about the price of shipping
Still pretty cheap though
quaint thicket
velvet void
Oof
faint panther
Ain't that forbidden by trade laws ?
naive pike
no side numpad
what's the point
I play too much dota to not need the numpad on the side 
north hamlet
I was gonna say you can do fine without one, but then i realised i suck at dota
harsh basin
I feel like DOTA is opaque on purpose.
DOTA, TF 2 and Counterstrike are all games that seem to not want to be played.
I find Factorio less obtuse.
slim marsh
on a side note: this discord made me realise how messed up my current discord chat language is 
sharp grail
honestly i also swear a LOT usually but this server is breaking that habit
marsh cloud
Oof, I tend to keep the swearing to a minimum but hanging out with Australians all day makes it rather difficult.
somber yoke
I only swear in person, I think it takes too much effort to text swears
candid sparrow
I cuss like a sailor
zinc karma
tbh i swear constantly in chat but usually only in private servers? i try to be politer in large servers since i don't know people v well 😅
slim marsh
swear words are easy and fast enhancement words in usual gaming chats. cause "awesome" sounds not as intense as "f* awesome"
hexed hollow
I'm much the same Samus 
and yeah, aussie's do tend to swear like drunken sailers
moreso in regional area's than the city
supple terrace
I tend to self-censor as a middle finger to my Tourette's syndrome... >_>
That and it's funnier to yell "GO EAT A COOKIE" instead of other things.
marsh cloud
Ahh that's fair
supple terrace
Biscuit eating truffle is another one I've yelled.
marsh cloud
I mean...Handsome Jack from borderlands 2 really didn't like swearing and that for some reason stuck with me.
Ohhh that's good
Glad to hear you've found words that work.
supple terrace
Biscuit eating truffle munching bleep's one, as well as one time I miiiiight have hissed "butterscotch" at a mistake.
I still swear, but it's like...
Not quite as often.
Using the word fudge isn't nearly as pleasing to me, though.
solemn sierra
An acquaintance unironically bought a katana and asked if it's okay to open carry
Smh
My kitchen knife's probably sharper
wooden furnace
I dislike people that buy katanas unironically
sorry let me correct myself, not generalising here
I dislike the people that I know that buy them unironically
my ex's dad had like 5 in the living room
and an axe in the loo
solemn sierra
I told him I cringed
marsh cloud
Isn't it illegal in most places to just carry weapons like that?
wooden furnace
depends where you live I guess
p certain you can carry them in texas
saw an article a while ago but idk
yeah you can open carry swords in texas as long as it isn't like a school, prison, hospital etc.
"We won't stop until Texas is as free as everyone thinks Texas is," quote from "Knife Rights America"
faint panther
@sharp grail Gratz on mod btw
solemn sierra
Texas seems like a fun place, alas, my travels have only taken me as far as north carolina from the east side
and ohio/michigan I guess
the great lands of nothing
velvet void
Woo
wooden furnace
I'm stuck in the good old UK lmao
solemn sierra
New Jersey is baby land because
wooden furnace
where the pound is worth even less to a dollar now
solemn sierra
you can't fill your car fuel yourself
solemn sierra
then you've got maryland which is the final boss because
velvet void
Living in Florida is like being in a alternative dimension
slate pike
when has the water level ever been the final boss
velvet void
>Tfw you're below water level
i always figured maine hid the secret final boss
solemn sierra
Then you've got virginia which is
a whole lot of nothing
guns I think?
and the navy
slate pike
that way, you can bring your american party and your canadian party together for one final showdown
the navy is maryland
annapolis, to be specific
solemn sierra
There's a lot of navy in hampton roads
wooden furnace
all I know about america is Virginia is identical to Fallout 76
maryland has cookies
solemn sierra
There's also a church every half a mile instead of a tim hortons
as a canadian that is very concerning
slate pike
michigan has that, too
solemn sierra
mostly the fact that they don't serve any donuts
slate pike
there's an astonishing amount of churches
wooden furnace
what even is a tim hortons
slate pike
like a biggby
solemn sierra
it's a bad dunkin donuts
velvet void
You're thinking of Chicago, @wooden furnace
marsh cloud
Ahahah
velvet void
It's pretty much a wasteland there
marsh cloud
I honestly don't really know with America
Seeing as I'm from the mythical land of New Zealand
solemn sierra
Vermont is nothing too, it's long dangerous roads in the winter.
wooden furnace
I have been deceived
slate pike
ooh very nice
wooden furnace
Maryland Cookies are apparently a UK only brand
velvet void
Youve been bamboozled
slate pike
don't get to talk to many oceanians
solemn sierra
Massachusetts is where the people start talking funny
wooden furnace
with the recipe being brought from US
marsh cloud
Welp it me. From down under under
velvet void
All I know about New Zealand is what I've read from the TF2 comics
wooden furnace
kiwis
marsh cloud
lol
slate pike
i know exactly one aussie and one kiwi from the protonjon server
marsh cloud
Wait I need to see these TF2 comics
slate pike
that is it
solemn sierra
Ohio is interesting because
slate pike
stop
solemn sierra
Apparently the currency used in Cleveland is VHS tapes
wooden furnace
lmao VHS tapes
marsh cloud
Ahahah
wooden furnace
also
marsh cloud
They'll be golden soon
solemn sierra
They also have a massive water park in sandusky
solemn sierra
rip
marsh cloud
Ouch
wooden furnace
big question, how similar are australia and new zealand
slate pike
very different
marsh cloud
They're pretty different
hexed hollow
very differant
slate pike
you've seen new zealand, or at least a part of it, if you watched lord of the rings
wooden furnace
bc they're geographically close and that's all I know lmao
marsh cloud
Like if you call any kiwi a Strayan they're sure to get offended
Yeah
NZ is much greener
hexed hollow
i really don't care 😂
wooden furnace
oh also when I think of australia I think of this
slate pike
australia is 40% desert
marsh cloud
Australia has a much bigger population xD
wooden furnace
dang no attachments
hexed hollow
I'd go as far as to say it's 50% desert
marsh cloud
But no one lives in the middle
solemn sierra
like two of them!
slate pike
and 60% murderous mutant animals
wooden furnace
does new zealand have the spiders with health bars??
hexed hollow
nah
marsh cloud
Nah
wooden furnace
good
solemn sierra
There's california, and then there's Nevada, there's also Arizona but it has bark scorpions
so we don't go there!
marsh cloud
NZ is tame with the animal life
wooden furnace
and no mana bars either
hexed hollow
australian spiders have multiple health bars
marsh cloud
although I had a huhu beetle bite me the other day
wooden furnace
or kangaroos that choke your dog out
slate pike
ooch
marsh cloud
Yeah and Wombats will do your car in if you hit one. Not the other way around.
slate pike
yeh
hexed hollow
Wombats are a literal ball of muscle
slate pike
i'm pretty sure a wombat could bench a mack truck
hexed hollow
they can move pretty damn fast too
solemn sierra
We have not much up here in montreal. The scariest thing is probably huh
people
people are scary!
slate pike
don't quote me on that
wooden furnace
same here in the UK
solemn sierra
construction as well
velvet void
The people in Florida are scary
solemn sierra
construction is very scary as well!
slate pike
canadiens aren't scary
wooden furnace
druggies mostly where I'm from
hexed hollow
Australian's aren't scary either
wooden furnace
in town centre at noon
marsh cloud
Yeah Strayans are...strayan
hexed hollow
nah yeah, yeah nah
marsh cloud
cool as
wooden furnace
all the ones I've met just seem like UK peeps but with cooler slang
slate pike
Michiganders are only scary if you go too far southeast
marsh cloud
I think the thing that is interesting amongst AU/NZ is the amount of slang we share
and the differences in slang all the same
Just some things I don't understand
like why you call Jandals, Thongs
slate pike
i'd say what i know about that slang, but then i'd be the kangaroo jack movie
and nobody wants that
marsh cloud
xD
hexed hollow
😂
marsh cloud
I haven't seen that in a long time
wooden furnace
the true term for jandals is flip-flops, I'm afraid 😉
slate pike
it has not held up
marsh cloud
But I may recommend Crocodile dun dee.
But like Jandals because they're Japanese style Sandals xP
slate pike
so clogs?
wooden furnace
clogs are made out of wood tho
marsh cloud
it's mostly for the bit that goes between your toes to hold them to your feet
slate pike
yeah, the sandal saddle
hexed hollow
jandles are pretty cool
marsh cloud
Slang is great
wooden furnace
smh
hexed hollow
marsh cloud
Oh man there was that really Australian slang post I saw a long time ago
solemn sierra
according to the vgas all video games are made here or something
marsh cloud
and you have to sit there wondering what is going on
slate pike
geoff keighley really wanted canada to be repped
solemn sierra
and nobody can speak english properly
slate pike
that's all
marsh cloud
Oh that's right
velvet void
I just remember hearing Chris from Sleepycast talk about the druggies that lived near his flats in Dublin
And how non human they spoke
marsh cloud
And "Another Canadian company"
"They're also Canadian btw"
solemn sierra
great country btw
wooden furnace
wait do australians say boot or trunk or something else for the compartment at the back of your car
velvet void
They do
hexed hollow
both
marsh cloud
boot I believe
wooden furnace
and yeah there are druggies in town centre where I live that are straight up zombies
they dont even talk
velvet void
I have an Australian cousin to confirm
marsh cloud
I guess it's interchangeable
marsh cloud
Say whatever is easiest in that sentence.
velvet void
He called the trunk a boot and my sister had no idea what he was talking about
solemn sierra
I swear all the devs from here looked like they work in the nearest coffee shop
wooden furnace
hmmm
slate pike
listen
wooden furnace
thats true
slate pike
darren's mutton chops are immaculate
hexed hollow
I'm kinda jelly of them honestly
wooden furnace
I theorise that it is the true source of his power
slate pike
it's totally his "chops"
cedar rock
I heard if you listen to his entire discography you instantly grow as mighty a beard as him
but thats just rumor
wooden furnace
all the way throughout the night
slate pike
well hey i'm already there
wooden furnace
on loop
solemn sierra
I'm used to scene people, not beards.
slate pike
i have a big ol' beard
wooden furnace
get it in mutton mode
slate pike
but i don't feel like i've harnessed that korb magic
solemn sierra
KORB MAGICS
wooden furnace
I have one further question for you non-UK folk regarding slang actually
slate pike
yuh
solemn sierra
slang?
marsh cloud
yessim
solemn sierra
someone got SLANGED OUT
slate pike
whoa i blinked
wooden furnace
lmao
hexed hollow
lmao rip
solemn sierra
get slanged
slate pike
GG
cedar rock
lol
slate pike
does that mean djibouti is also a banned word
solemn sierra
apparently slanging is "attack (someone) using abusive language."
that's interesting
wooden furnace
yeet
marsh cloud
I don't recall any rhyming slang.
slate pike
this binch empty
wooden furnace
as an example
marsh cloud
At least where I'm from
wooden furnace
"apples and pears" instead of "stairs"
slate pike
what
wooden furnace
it's from east london
slate pike
what in the darn
hexed hollow
their isn't really much rhyming slang
wooden furnace
"cream crackered" = "knackered"
solemn sierra
There's a lot of quebec slang but, there's a lot of value judgement I can put on that
slate pike
uh
wooden furnace
you're all missing out
hexed hollow
that's more alliteration though final
slate pike
do you mean "cream crackered"
solemn sierra
It doesn't really rhyme, it's a lot of local words, or words that people made up used in the most shortened way possible
slate pike
from my understanding, "knackered" is already a colloquialism
a dialectical exclusivity
solemn sierra
so if you don't know what it is, it sounds like a jumble
hexed hollow
yeah, australian's tend to shorten words as much as possible
slate pike
pretty sure that's an internet thing in general tbh
wooden furnace
I meant cream crackered also yes
marsh cloud
What is knackerered short for? I just thought it meant...tired.
wooden furnace
it is 2:31 am smh let me off
marsh cloud
Ahahah
solemn sierra
In some places it's regarded as the "uneducated people language"
hexed hollow
exhausted
wooden furnace
either or
marsh cloud
Ahahah
marsh cloud
I mean in NZ we have "Munted"
slate pike
bail
wooden furnace
run away very fast
marsh cloud
Meaning something is very broken
slate pike
we use "book it" occasionally
marsh cloud
Yeah those make sense
wooden furnace
"peg it" is another
rustic orchid
Hey anybody here play Warframe? I need some advice
rustic orchid
Well I just got to Outworlder in Fortuna, nothing major just trying to figure out the best rewards
solemn sierra
that seems oddly specific lol
rustic orchid
Well I’m not sure about half the stuff they sell here & how much of a pain it can be to get...
wooden furnace
Warframe brings back bad memories lmao my entire account got wiped after 100 hours in and I gave up
rustic orchid
Warframe is a grind fest sooo yeah.. -_-;
marsh cloud
Ahh, yeah it's usually grab a mission from inside fortuna. And after you've done it clear out one of the camps and get a higher tier mission you get out in the orbis.
hexed hollow
I used to play warframe, the grind got to much for me
slate pike
i'm playing a metric butt-ton of persona
rustic orchid
Ha
marsh cloud
I've been trying to play FFXIV again but I have nothing to do xP
wooden furnace
Smash has been getting me recently, Hollow Knight is a big one atm too
cedar rock
I love warframe I haven't gotten too much into Fortuna yet. Just spent most of my time doing sick kickflips
best addition yet
marsh cloud
Yes K-Drive is great
rustic orchid
But yeah my options are kit gun parts, ore prints or Moa parts
velvet void
D A B
marsh cloud
If you want Garuda you'll be best investing in the ore blueprints
Just work towards what you want first I guess
solemn sierra
I'm just doing little things in XIV, I gotta finish my jill hard game in resident evil remaster
rustic orchid
Well I was thinking of buying her with plat. :p
marsh cloud
Ahh yep.
rustic orchid
I have enough just waiting on a discount
I would like a Moa & Kit gun but like.. without trying em I have 0 idea what’s worth getting
marsh cloud
Am I that person that seems to play a bit of everything o:
rustic orchid
yeah me too
marsh cloud
Yeah I can't help with Moa or kit guns
rustic orchid
rip. X_X
slate pike
i play most things
marsh cloud
Hyde best char btw xP
wooden furnace
resident evil also brings back bad memories bc of the voiceover
marsh cloud
At least he's my go to in UNIEL
wooden furnace
and the dialogue
slate pike
i just develop weird tastes in favorites
wooden furnace
"you were almost a jill sandwich"
marsh cloud
lmao
rustic orchid
I feel like That’s been mentioned before but thanks yeah he is
slate pike
for instance, there's this one game i played about some kid and a hammer
marsh cloud
I was playing DMC1 and the camera angles ohhh boy
slate pike
what a weird game
wooden furnace
yeah
trash game imo
same as that one w the red hair lady and the sword w the sexy ass voice
marsh cloud
she had a voice? lol
wooden furnace
also fantasy basketball with fire
slate pike
and that one about oregon trail but it's basketball
marsh cloud
xP
wooden furnace
lmao
anyway, I must skedaddle for it is v early in the morning, good morning/afternoon/evening/night, fellow kids [insert Steve Buscemi here]
slate pike
oof
marsh cloud
It's been so long since I've seen them
tropic garden
@verbal peak Croquis Cafe!
It's a youtube channel with hundreds of life drawing class videos
Including ones focused on hands, facial expression, head angles, etc
verbal peak
Yoooo thank you!
solemn sierra
resident evil remake is so much better than the original
slate pike
prepped for remake2?
solemn sierra
I don't know what to think of it yet.
I don't like the idea of Mister X being an outlast-type guy
RE1 translates into REmake well because it has the same gameplay idea. Remake2 is a whole different affair
lilac jackal
A little bit off topic here, Who has listened to The Adventure Zone podcast?
slate pike
my sister, but not i
slate pike
delicioso?
faint panther
I'm excited for the RE2 remake
slate pike
it is tuesday, after all
solemn sierra
and so far mister x looks real boring, all he does is walk around. I know that's what he does in the original, but his shtick is mostly that he came busting through walls like the Kool Aid Man when you backtracked, and the camera angles along with the control scheme made it unnerving.
faint panther
Just played RE7 this year
I know I can expect RE2 to be different, but im excited nonetheless
slate pike
that kinda sounds like what nemesis would do in 3
solemn sierra
But Resident Evil 2 wasn't exactly the most stellar game either. It tries to follow Resident Evil 1's formula by splitting the police station in two, but it's very linear
hexed hollow
RE2 remake looks good
solemn sierra
Nemesis is a far scarier enemy than Mister X, Mister X just walks around
Nemesis will run straight at you and grab you
hexed hollow
haven't played it before
slate pike
i have not played RE1-3, so i wouldn't know
hexed hollow
so it will be interesting going in completely blind
faint panther
Jack was pretty scary
solemn sierra
Let's say that Nemesis runs about as fast as your character, and sometimes carries a rocket launcher.
faint panther
But after a bit it just got tiring
solemn sierra
He'll often spawn in very inconvenient places
solemn sierra
You can fight him and stagger him temporarily, doing so will net you some reward, but he's hard to fight.
slate pike
are the regenerados just reincarnated mister x?
solemn sierra
Regenerados?
solemn sierra
No, Mister X's shtick is different, he's extremely hard to down.
He mostly serves as a jump scare. He's nowhere as proactive or aggressive as say, Nemesis is.
well, depends on your ammo I guess
slate pike
i mean, the regenerados' entire gimmick is walking up slowly and down-smashing
solemn sierra
Nah, Mister X's thing isn't just walking up, he walks somewhat fast, and he can smash through walls.
It looks like you'll have to avoid him in the remake while also handling other enemies
The regenerators' gimmick is that you had to figure out that they had weak points or you would unload tons of ammo on them
and you had to kill them because they were annoying to avoid
Resident Evil 2 is also the game where you started having 5-6 zombies in one room, instead of 2-3. It was a lot more gun happy.
Resident Evil 3 turns that up even higher
slate pike
how bored were you
cedar rock
thats a lot of waving haha
slim marsh
wasnt me
opaque quail
The same person has done that since the welcome channel started, @pastel phoenix !!
A juggernaut of hospitality. 👏 👏 👏
slate pike
would you say they're a
bastion
of hospitality
slim marsh
cedar rock
mfw
pastel phoenix
I end up behind whenever there's a big announcement and people flock to the server
candid sparrow
nova pilot
Give this fellow all the 👋 s
pastel phoenix
It just seemed like the thing to do
nova pilot
Godspeed my dude
pastel phoenix
It started in a small server before we set up a welcome bot, but I didn't stop adding the reacs. It just seemed more friendly when they were there.
And given the atmosphere in this server, it just seemed to fit, so...
limber horizon
https://adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro/suggestions/34146058-linux-support
adobe did the whole "point people to the petition forum and then ignore their suggestion" thing for a linux port of premiere, like the linux community has always been used to, except the linux community bit their ass with it and signed it en masse, making for the most highly voted suggestion on their uservoice with a lead of more than four times the votes of the second highest voted option
merry wolf
do you guys have pinterest accounts? :v https://pin.it/hyortpfvd3ojt3
sharp grail
I dislike Pinterest since basically everything there is a repost
velvet void
When you think about it, life is a repost
cerulean cloak
we are all reposts on this blessed day
velvet void
Actually have a Pinterest for DnD stuff
unreal bridge
I too dislike Pinterest a lot for the same reason, and especially because people who repost there usually don't ask the creators for permission, and most of the time don't even source properly to the original or at least the creator's page.
tardy anchor
👆
past agate
Hi everyone. Has anyone covered or remixed Hades music yet? I can't seem to find anything on youtube
unreal bridge
@cedar rock Lovely icon!! 💖 👏 😊
cedar rock
haha thank you
a friend of mine touched it up a bit to be a little festive xD
the monochrome yellow picture of Red was always my favorite
haughty axle
i think we need to add big chungus as an olympian god in hades
legendary boon turns you into an absolute unit
chilly briar
@sharp grail yeah my dislike of pinterest comes mainly from the fact that all the posts are uncredited works, like if you're going to republish / repost it, give the artists / authors some actual credit for their work 💢
pallid shard
One thing I hate about Pinterest is that it clutters my reverse google search whenever I try to find an art piece's source
pallid shard
All I ever did was bad MS Paint memes so I guess I'll never feel that pain
Still annoying tho
I always like finding new artists
chilly briar
I used to post a reasonable amount of stuff to deviantart like 10 years ago
I found a site last year that was selling prints of some of the stuff I made with sales stats that were public
around $30,000 gross profit of prints sold using images I made
pallid shard
Goddamn
chilly briar
Stats could have been fabricated though, regardless if true or not, pretty scummy
oak shoal
is dead cells worth it people?
candid sparrow
Its fun
supple terrace
Yeah, I hate dealing with pinterest for that reason too, and with what's happening with tumblr, there goes that too.