99% sure you can.
#pyre
teal goblet
Not many of my pals are into the same games I am..
lime mural
I constantly show my friend amazing games and he just keeps playing Fall Out 4.
spiral osprey
found jan's new sahrian doc 👀 i was looking in the wrong channel, it was in fanworks
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1trJXhG_T7xjgETcJjNUgIvcV8z-hVcfmhI75qUTSg-M/edit?usp=sharing
torn bolt
ooh yeah this!
this was pretty neat, i wonder if there's more stuff in it
heheh, the ipa at the beginning makes me go ' 🤔 wait who says train with a ch'
aaah english dialects
spark cloud
in canada we don't say train we say 'you hear that choo choo moose eh?'
dusky cradle
"Sorry"
pastel gust
Just confirming that yes you can gift Pyre to yourself on Steam if you buy Hades right now!
sharp rivet
@teal goblet hope it isn't too late for you
sharp rivet
👍
crisp drift
The Wiki isn't too expansive or accurate - is there anyone maintaining it I can help flesh it out 🙂
Just finished the game and am still reeling! Can't wait for my GF to do the same and see what end she gets
Also - anyone know who kid_zomb actually is? I am in awe of the writing in Pyre, I want to thank him/her 🙂
spiral osprey
kid_zomb is Greg Kasavin, the lead writer on all of SGG's games. Not sure he's going to be online much right now since it's the holidays though!
dusky cradle
I finished my fifth Pyre run today.
This ending makes me cry every time.
Bound Together is too beautiful.
vernal harbor
I'm just so happy that we can live our fantasy of a peaceful and very successful revolution
that makes a very large system much better
polar nest
Good day to whom I will turn to me did not charge the game after I bought Hedas
polar nest
Steam offers me to buy Pyre, but it should already be in my collection if you visit the Hades page
timid silo
It is not in your collection from what I've heard, @polar nest . It should be in your Steam inventory (where the trading cards are). From there, you can redeem it.
onyx hornet
Yeah my friend gifted me Hades and I got Pyre in my inventory even tho I already owned that game
Gifted it to a friend later
small aspen
@timid silo I'm up to my second round of rites now and my three favourites are tizo, gilman and what's her name grey hair girl because i like running really fast and they are all cinnamon rolls
timid silo
Amazing wonderful spectacular all three of them 
Sir Gilman was my MVP for most of my first playthrough, he's just (nyooom)
Who'd you liberate? :)
timid silo
An excellent boy! 👏
onyx hornet
Ah yes sir gilman very good 
exotic wedge
My favorite is Pamitha
timid silo
Truly an amazing pick 👏
timid silo
That's their secret 👏
heavy hill
I was just reading #fan-works and I heard news that people actually dislike Manley
naturally, this is unacceptable
onyx hornet
Manley is kind of a STICK 🌿
vestal bluff
What’s news to me is that Manley has fans
small aspen
he's great at being ostentatiously insufferable
heavy hill
manley is my favorite because of how terrible he is
wide river
i get sad when people liberate hedwyn first bc it means you miss out on more content of my favouritest boy 😔
For Example,
small aspen
i will have much to look forward to when i replay it
onyx hornet
my favourite part of that cooking scene is when u ask him to decide
onyx hornet
also hedwyn is just a good unit to have around for some rituals
heavy hill
the downside looks super pretty but then you get descriptions such as random mass graves
wide river
and that one field where the crops killed everyone and everything
mild falcon
i hc that all crops do that eventually in the downside
to explain the lack of settlement
small aspen
just finished second rite of liberation
it turns out i'm quite bad and cannot win any rites with titan stars on
or maybe i'm picking the stars that synergise with the enemy too well
or b oth
onyx hornet
Second rite was really hard for me the first time I played
Pamitha was good for that one
small aspen
bertrude is a blessing
third rite is going much better
i'm not great with pamitha
i tend to dive into death too much
onyx hornet
when i charge into 2 ppl as pamitha thats basically a win win for me 🙂
but i liberated her now so im gonna struggle
wheat glade
You get some spicy guilt trips after you use her against her sister.
timid silo
Bertrude!! She's the best
quartz cloak
i have to disagreeeeee
rukey is best, bertrude scares me tbh
wheat glade
Bertrude is a refreshing look at Medusa-lady character... After like 10 years of medusas from HoMM3
small aspen
I enjoy covering the entire field with cast aura
midnight hawk
bertrude is really the best
vernal harbor
they are all the best, all of the nightwings
wheat glade
Gillman is the first among equal.
small aspen
that reminds me
i had the thought that hedwyn is like george washington for the nightwings
quartz cloak
lol
exotic wedge
I lost last liberation rite on purpose
static ginkgo
Hey!
dreamy oak
looks like hades isn't the only supergiant game, that acts weird, when played with nintendo switch pro controller
has anyone had issues with pyre and ns pro controller as well? pressing X (or, well, Y on nintendo layout) on objects takes away control for a few seconds
and B too
so it is barely playable
I hope this will get fixed in both games (maybe there are issues in Bastion and Transistor too?), as a lot of people are getting into Pyre as well as Hades, and it is just not possible to play with my (and not only mine) preferred input device
quartz cloak
what do X or y do?
bc if it's switching character control, theres always a couple seconds delay (i played on ps4)
dreamy oak
There is not a slight delay, there is 10-15 seconds input takeaway
quartz cloak
wow that's longgggg
yeah that's a glitch or something
stray jolt
wallpaper engine on steam and look for perfect wallpaper on the workshop
torn bolt
thanks!
torn galleon
is pyre suposed to be short?
timid silo
Like 18ish hours short?
torn galleon
oh so there is more than the eight scribes rites?
not counting the howler thing i did already
timid silo
Where are you now?
timid silo
Still got a loooong way to go!
torn galleon
okay i love the knight-wyrm
timid silo
Gilman!!! the wyrm the myth the legend!
vestal bluff
Pyre is about 13-15 hours, maybe even longer if it’s your first playthru
timid silo
Tariq!!! 
torn galleon
can i not make Jordi my bae?
dusky cradle
I wish I could make Sandra my bae-
onyx hornet
took me about 20 hours i think?
dusky cradle
But at the very least you can do right by Sandra.
onyx hornet
i took my time
nova fox
I think my first playthrough was about 11 hours, but I did lose a few matches.
torn galleon
speaking of losing the game is really easy, like oddly easy
gritty elk
I think I purposefully lost one match to get bird-woman's sister out, but it's been a real long time
mild falcon
Both bird women could be described as "bird-woman's sister"
mild falcon
Yeah I got what you mean
torn galleon
i am really sad that jodi cant be mommy but oh well
gritty elk
ngl, I only played through once because the first playthrough wrecked me emotionally for like a week
torn galleon
honestly here im sitting and looking at the play button
and i cant bring myself to resume the game
gritty elk
a big part of me wants to, if only to hear the song when the trials start again
mild falcon
I picked up the ost so that's not a problem for me
Do you mean the song "time passes"?
torn galleon
imma download the rest of the games now
vestal bluff
This 👆 I absolutely don’t get, ‘cause I jumped into my second play through about 10 mins after I finished my first one
gritty elk
I'm basically an emotional wreck; you're also valid
lime mural
Everyone plays their games differently.
vestal bluff
Granted, for those 10 mins, I was sitting at the library screen, just kinda stunned
By Bound Together, for one thing, but by the whole story and stuff too
gritty elk
it was also a bit of a grind to actually do the matches, and I sorta didn't wanna do anything but the conversations again
onyx hornet
These characters are my family 
random jacinth
pyre broke me mentally for like at least a week i love the game so much
onyx hornet
I wonder if they added romance options to Hades after the feedback they got from Pyre
lime mural
I feel like competitive aspect of pyre is really interesting, shame they didn't implement online play
i played versus mode pyre with my cousin when it comes out, it was a blast
mild falcon
People around here have set up some online games of pyre
lime mural
how to do that?
native shard
The new Steam feature allows for all local multiplayer games to be played online.
dusky cradle
Bound Together, also known as "How I cried like a baby."
lime mural
jodariel was the first i freed
liked her as a character, didn't like her playstyle one bit
the choice was made for me
feral hatch
jodi's also the only tank you get until you recruit sandalwood(?)
lime mural
what
feral hatch
sorry, keyboard at funny angle while typing
fiery rose
tariq?
lime mural
why would you want a tank
fiery rose
also dude jodariel was indispensible for my play style at least
feral hatch
so when you free jodi you're basically saying "i'm going to control zero parts of the field for the rest of the game"
lime mural
gilman hendrik harpy ftw
fiery rose
i actually liked the crone a lot eventually
lime mural
i'm big on going fast
fiery rose
i never did well with the tree guy
lime mural
i don't remember playing around much with sandalwood
fiery rose
what i never understood is why they had a limited cast for the arcade mode
feral hatch
they patched it out
fiery rose
like you couldn't have 3 gilmans on a team
lime mural
the tree guy from the other team seemed extremely annoying to control so i didn't bother iirc
feral hatch
oh they didnt patch that out
the thing is he is kind of annyoing, but he's also decently powerful when you get the hang of him
feral hatch
yeah but thats like getting a good ending for gannon in new vegas
not the point of the character and also never going to happen
lime mural
ye :(
timid silo
I mean, she's better off than when she started. Sometimes that's all you can do for someone, and it's already a lot.
(I didn't do well with demons' playstyle until you-know-who thoroughly demonstrated to me how to demon)
edgy ledge
lime mural
i don't recall any noobtraps existing
and the game is pretty well explained
mostly enjoy yourself
wide river
you can lose rites and the game will continue anyways
so don't feel like you have to restart if you lose a rite
lime mural
even if you lose the "final fight" it's nbd and you can keep going
timid silo
But if you are having fun with the rites and want to play more/enjoy the challege, you can restart a rite at any point from the pause screen! There's a "restart rite" button of sorts when you pause during a rite
lime mural
does anything special happen if you lose every rite?
timid silo
I don't think so? You get the worst ending.
lime mural
i'll have to try and finish that game sometime
how many rites is it to the end?
i'm at 12 from what i can see
young folio
yes, ||volfred calls you out on not trying||. other than that, not really, the game proceeds as usual and you do get a bad ending
lime mural
aight, sensible ig
static ginkgo
Wait there are multiple endings?
stray jolt
it's more like two shades of the same ending
wide river
three, actually
torn galleon
what if you almost perfect score every match?
vestal bluff
The ending you get only depends on how many of the Nightwings you liberate by the end of the game
So really, only ||7|| of the matches matter in the end
sharp rivet
it's just made much easier if you win others to get more levels
torn galleon
i dont see how anyone would lose a match the game is so ez
or maybe my years of rocket league helped
lime mural
Did you invoke Titan Stars?
torn galleon
huh?
lime mural
After a certain point in the game, before every rite you can invoke Titan Stars, which make the game harder.
Faster enemies, more damage dealt to your pyre, stuff like that.
midnight hawk
the game is pretty easy in the beginning but once you have titan stars you can make it more challenging
sharp rivet
TN all stars gets pretty ridiculous, as I’m sure FailerV1 can tell you
vestal bluff
I actually haven’t finished my True Nightwings, all-Titans-all-the-time run yet
Although it’s definitely pretty hard to win every match with them all on
sharp rivet
yeah, that more or less is what I was getting at. I wanted to do the final Rite with all stars but it was just too hard for me
small aspen
I guess I'm pretty bad if i lose rites when i have no stars on normal difficulty
quartz cloak
go on easy mode
ik im a loser but that's what I did so I could not rage at the game and just enjoy it 😂
onyx hornet
i used easy mode for ti'zos challenge because im terrible at him and he had like no abilities in my first playthrough
that was embarrassing
but i needed to complete all sandra's challenges no matter what
quartz cloak
Sandra didn't even give me all the challenges
i tried to talk to her soooo much she got sick of me and wouldn't do anything anymore XD
dusky cradle
Talk to her more.
She is precious and too good and the Scribes were too harsh on her.
Sandra is like Erin from Sinbad but not as Evil.
The Sass matches.
quartz cloak
i already finished the game and am too lazy to redownload it
onyx hornet
yeah there is a period where she stops talking to you but u keep talking to her and eventually a lovely dialogue happens
quartz cloak
No I kept talking to her
Lovely dialogue never happened XD
cerulean dove
Can you actually unlock everyone who's in versus mode in the campaign?
midnight hawk
do you mean have all the other triumvirates in your team? if so, no
cerulean dove
Like the characters in versus mode can you get them all in the campaign
candid hornet
nope, they are for versus only
cerulean dove
Shoot
Oh well
How goods the game compared to the other 2
Just started it and I finished transistor and bastion
candid hornet
i bought the vinyl because i love the music so much
mild falcon
It's longer than the other two
It's got a lot of lovable characters
You don't play as all the characters in the versus mode but you play against them
candid hornet
i think it builds on what bastion and transistor made so great and unique and then throws in really fun gameplay and character development
all of those characters in versus are in the story and they get expanded on throughout the story
mild falcon
And more than half of them are worth smooching
timid silo
There's an intriguing thematic progression from Bastion and Transistor, I love it. Plenty more character development and just flat-out more characters. It's a populated world.
quiet gyro
burnt trail
hey guys i am streaming pyre on twitch if anybody wants to support. i am the only one there. thank you!
www.twitch.tv/thirstyllama
small aspen
cerulean dove
remote play requires both people have it right?
vestal bluff
Both people need to have Steam, but not necessarily both own Pyre on Steam
Only the host needs a copy
cerulean dove
ok
tall wadi
I saw someone ask about NG+ on the steam discussions
so I'm pretty sure the game doesn't have NG+
basically I'm just going to make it so that when you load a campaign it stores the team (in the global table), then when you create a new campaign it loads the team (up to some changes like unequipping talismans and setting the roster to inactive/not ascended/not challenge complete so the game is less buggy) then cleans up the copied team from memory
I can't read the save from the hard drive without help from SG team but I figure i don't need to do it the proper way if this would be good enough
@cerulean dove Also I notice that you asked earlier "Can you actually unlock everyone who's in versus mode in the campaign?"
I made a mod for that already
I had fun playing as lendel against the fate but it gets really heavy on memory and the game crashes due to a memory exception
to have so many people in the team
oralech is fun to play as early game lmao
tall wadi
hehe
cerulean dove
?
tall wadi
you have to beat the game to fight him
cerulean dove
Wait post game boss?
tall wadi
final rite boss
tall wadi
he has max presence
cerulean dove
So?
tall wadi
and high AI stat
cerulean dove
Is he in versus?
tall wadi
yes
cerulean dove
What does he look like again
tall wadi
if someone from SG could tell me how to increase the memory the game gets from the C++ thread allocation then I'd be able to play the whole game with every versus member
I actually haven't started playing hades yet, I just noticed it on steam and bought it
I knew about it ages ago but it wasn't on steam then
cerulean dove
Oh
tall wadi
is hades a boss in pyre? Do you mean infernus?
cerulean dove
How hard is he on a scale of one to ten ten is parace lisa
No like the Greek god in hades
Lol
tall wadi
I wouldn't know since I've not completed even as single ascension match
u gotta do 7 to fight oralech
and I only know this cus I was rooting in the code
xd
cerulean dove
Ascension match?
tall wadi
you get one ascension match at the end of every set of 8 rites
tall wadi
it's a long game so idk why people want NG+ mod
cerulean dove
Good
tall wadi
but I'm making it anyway xd
cerulean dove
Because it's supergiant who wouldn't wanna play one of their games again?
tall wadi
with talismans levels and skills
from the last playthrough
I wonder if I'm allowed to tag SG members when the mod is finished
cerulean dove
Wym
tall wadi
like tag someone from the staff so it can become noticed by people who might want to use it
in future
cerulean dove
Tag?
tall wadi
ping is the notification you get when tagged
cerulean dove
Ya but I just call it all ping for simplicity
tall wadi
I'll ask a moderator first before tagging any SG members
cerulean dove
Good idea
But seriously thanks for making mods for great games do you mod any other sg games?
tall wadi
I messed around with bastion and transistor but that was just to give myself every weapon upgrade in bastion, and change the crit multipliers and cooldowns in transistor
cerulean dove
Oh cool
tall wadi
and those weren't mods I just edited the code directly
for pyre I'm trying to make what i do modular so you can "install" it instead of overwriting the base files
cerulean dove
I've played every super giant game transistor and bastion to completion and part way through the other 2 planning to speedrun Hades eventually nice to see a good community
cerulean dove
👍
tall wadi
is where I got the idea
tall wadi
People say that but it's not
titanmode just lets you buy everything from the shop at once and all the titan stars are out from the start
- some AI buffs
it doesn't let you carry on your talismans/money/experience/skills/inventory/permanent stat increases
vestal bluff
But in most cases, unless you've lost all your Liberation Rites, you'll be down to less than 9 Nightwings
Which means you'll have fewer than 3 by the end of the game
tall wadi
so?
the playerteam stores every potential person on the roster the entire time
activation is tied to the story progression
so the content of each person can just be carried over
you'll start a new game with the original 3
but they will have their XP from before and every talisman that everyone had equipped will be in the wagon inventory (+ the wagon inventory from before will be there too)
every person that joins the team will have their XP and skills from before
vestal bluff
Wouldn't this just make the game easier?
You'd also have some people at drastically different levels than others
tall wadi
I'm not seeing the problem
tall wadi
I could make it so the ai difficulty gets harder and the enemy teams get buffs
But that would be independent of actually being in NG+ unless I could get a persistent counter going
tall wadi
but I don't see why that should happen I mean the point is some people wanna fully level up all the characters
so you'd replay it with the same conditions, get other endings and stuff
gather all the talismans without having to purchase the randomised ones from the titanmode market
wide river
one of the downsides to this (or potentially an upside, depends on your view) would be the level disparity forcing you to liberate certain people
tall wadi
I think that means it remains interesting
cus only max level peeps can ascend
you really want to get everyone up to max sooner so you have more choices
wide river
well, not so much that they have to be max level
your highest level people in general
tall wadi
well they need to be max level to ascend
small aspen
they don't
tall wadi
then why does it say that in the code for checking valid ascension status
maybe that is deprecated xd
small aspen
i haven't ascended anyone at max in my playthrough
it just locks out anyone who isn't among the highest in the group
wide river
if you needed max level to ascend the first liberation rite would have no candidates
small aspen
it's probably the thing that checks relative enlightenment
lime mural
checkmate atheists
tall wadi
I have a separate mod that makes it so anyone can ascend
so someone could use that if they found it troublesome
I think they put that in there so that you had to give up your mains
small aspen
it encourages varied play and also adds a kind of resource management
i think it's interesting as a feature, but at the same time the option to not deal with it is interesting too
what would be neat is if you could ascend anyone but more enlightenment means more progress for the plan, assuming that is not already a thing
tall wadi
oh I could do that easily
there's a stat under every character for how much they are worth to the plan
though I've never actually done a liberation rite xd cus it takes so long to get to that point in the game when I keep having to reset to test changes to my mods
but anyway I could just have that scale by some function of XP
come time to ascend
timid silo
oooh could you share that stat please? Their worth percentage?
tall wadi
one sec
team.LiberationPlanProgress
is the final stat
LiberationPlanBonus
is each members stat
so in order of how they appear in your roster
5 - Hedwyn
6 - Jodi
4 - Rukey
3 - Mae
2 - Ti'Zo
4 - Gilman
4 - Pamitha
8 - Volfred
5 - Bertrude
Third highest value after himself and Jodi.
tall wadi
Ti'Zo is clearly the most valued member of the team
timid silo
I am terribly amused by all this (as I may have pointed out before, it'd just be okay if it were an actual variable for unlocking the best ending, but since it's not, it's just Volfred's Opinions Time and it's hilarious)
tall wadi
if it doesn't effect anything I guess whatever lmao
but I was about to say basically there's a calculation where team.LiberationPlanProgress gets increased by the ascended character's LiberationPlanBonus
I could replace that with a function of their XP instead
kinda pointless tho
timid silo
I figure it was a variable for the endings at some point in development and they just left it, and now it's only a bit of characterization!
tall wadi
I wonder what happens if a character has negative bonus
traitor to the cause I guess
btw I think the reader themselves have a bonus of 0
timid silo
Well, you can't access the screen where you see the percentage after liberating the reader so it wouldn't make sense for them to include it?
tall wadi
well like I said I haven't actually done a liberation rite, I got as far as beating chastity xd
so I didn't even know there was such a screen
does it ever max out?
timid silo
It doesn't!
tall wadi
then I bet it could accidentally max out if I scaled the points beyond normal
so best bet would be to scale down rather than up
only max level peeps get their ordinary bonus xd
maybe I could have it so you recieve money proportional to the XP of the person ascended?
idk
torn bolt
well excuse you, volfred. chae is very helpful to the plan
tall wadi
I either name her mae or bae
two extremes of the options you get
but she's called as Mae in the code xd
grr I can't seem to get the NG+ thing to work :(
basically it's not keeping track of the data I stored (sets everything back to nil when I exit the campaign into the main menu)
I wonder if someone from SG could give me a hint on how I could store (on the hard drive where the profiles are stored) a table (let's call it Data) and then load it again using what they've already set up here. Data contains 2 tables and some primitives, and one of those tables contains 2 tables and some primitives for each object in the playerteam teambench.
but I'm extremely hesitant to ask cus I feel like I'd be bothering them
tall wadi
basically cus lua has a bunch of different modules there's no consistent way as part of base lua to do this so it depends on what they got going on
tall wadi
is it possible to get permission to send files @Moderators ? For when I finish this or future mods?
long holly
i've dorked around with the Lua in Pyre. they've shut off all sorts of functionality from Lua on purpose
like, Lua's io table is completely disabled. so reading and writing to and from the filesystem isn't really an option
in terms of table serialization, I highly recommend using Serpent http://notebook.kulchenko.com/programming/serpent-lua-serializer-pretty-printer
@vestal bluff is also knowledgeable about how Pyre's Lua is laid out
vestal bluff
👆This is the main reason that certain classes of mods are so difficult to do
Including your notion of what NG+ should be Magic_Gonads#7347
I’d also suggest, you know, beating the game first, so you actually know what you’re dealing with before you try and mod stuff :P
mild falcon
maybe a pyre randomizer would be easier?
every enemy team is replaced by a random team right before you fight them...
torn bolt
second the 'beat the game first' suggestion
stray jolt
pyre randomizer: you wake up from going down and you see the faces of oralech, udmilde, and lady seagrass
timid silo
I roll to seduce Lady Seagrass and spare her an ungrateful ending
torn bolt
dshfgjksdhfg
what if it rolls a randomized triumvirate for you each time
sghdfhjsgdf adding eight new campaigns!!
stray jolt
ok but consider this: hedwyn in oralech's spot
mild falcon
ok but what about: oralech in gilman's spot, saying gilman's lines
torn bolt
dgsjhdgfhj
saying them but absolutely deadpan
pyre cast plays pyre together and voice acts all the lines
mild falcon
oralech: "THIS KNIGHT MISLIKES THESE HEIGHTS"
torn bolt
HEE HEE
wide river
i did once make some edits in photoshop that put hedwyn in lendel’s place
torn bolt
:0
in 'pyre but you add eight different campaigns for each triumvirate' u get your relevant scribe sending Unimpressed Omens or what have u
lendel: by the scribes HOW!! do i beat those cursed nightwings!!
gol golathanian, leaning in so the microphone makes static: becometh proficient.
torn bolt
what's that one fic where the triumvirate leaders meet their scribes but don't realize it
and then gol just punches lendel in the face
on the one hand, kind of disappointing because i wanted more gol content. but also,
gol just punches lendel in the face
timid silo
I haven't read that one but I should look for it because:
- Gol punches Lendel in the face
torn bolt
let me see if i can find it
here we go
had to wade through lendel/manley to find it 🤢
timid silo
😂 😂 😂 not my cup of tea but I'll give Lendel/Manley this: they deserve each other
Thank you!!
torn bolt
they do, but why would anyone want to read about them?
romantically, i mean
being slightly flip, but also...........eegh
onyx forum
a lot of ppl really loved it jhfhjfhj
torn bolt
the like 'pair any two white twinks' instinct
onyx forum
ghvcghchdcghdh
timid silo
Idk, in absolute terms, I'd read a oneshot trainwreck. In practice, it's practically a given that if someone writes about two characters they unironically care for them more than I would be interested in reading
stray jolt
manley a twink? he'd be more of a trunk tbh
torn bolt
i mean i have some of my own that are like 'i mean i just thought about it one time, haha unless' (this was a lie)
vernal harbor
having troll ship/crack ships is also a thing
I wrote some such fanfics in the past
I am now curious as to if the worst lendel/Manley is better or worse than my immortal
lime mural
Okay, this is a real life "things man was not meant to know" scenario. Let's not start the End of the World.
mild falcon
goffik lendel
torn bolt
i saw some nightwings watching me. i put my finger up
tall wadi
Beating the game is hard to do when you're trying to test things that need the game to be almost entirely reset to test and the checkpoint system doesn't let you do manual changes easily
- I get the gist of how all the systems work just from reading the code
torn bolt
true, but imo beating the game in its base form once is........preferable?
like the base experience of pyre game mode is really good. this is one of my favorite games.
you should do yourself a favor and play it through once.
tall wadi
most games i mod without finishing them, including bastion and transistor
just because I did end up finishing them later doesn't mean anything diffierent, though they are much easier to finish in one sitting.
I usually play games because I wish to know how they work and change things, it's the truest expression of player choice
but anyway, regardless of my motives I'm very close to making NG+ work I just need a way to keep the table in memory moving into the main menu and then loading another save file
but I'm well aware of playing pyre just for the crafted experience, I will do that next time I'm on holiday with just my laptop, I got to chastity then, I'll get further later
But right now, I am more interested in studying the way the game works and trying to make cool things happen with it
But anyway surely there is a way to write since the systems themselves write the profile files? Unless that is done by C++ I don't see how the lua wouldn't have access to it
alternatively if there was a way to read data from a specific save file whie loaded into another I could use that instead
tall wadi
usually I don't make something that can be "installed" it's more private edits to the source or scripts w/ cheat engine. But in this example I'm trying to make it something that another user could make use of besides myself.
wraith notch
Oralech is the best
timid silo
He is!!
wraith notch
Ya hes honestly straight up one of my favorite ever characters
wintry quiver
I avoided him a lot on my playthrough and after reading his after story I kinda regret it
just because he's a hard fight lol
small aspen
i haven't had any issues in rites against oralech so far
but i also haven't fought him much
tamitha on the other hand totally ruins me
wintry quiver
him and any team with imps always gave me trouble
lime mural
Can someone tell me some things gameplay wise about Pyre? Not story, but just tell me if it's good one. I got it as a gift and since I played Transistor in the past and loved it and now I am playing Hades and loving it even more, I want to know how hard/punishing Pyre is, I saw a video and looked like a turn-based game but wouldn't want to play a game that is a fake turn based where you and your team are turn based and the enemies are attacking you/interrupting you in real time.
That's not a true turn-based in my opinion, would like for someone to clarify this before I start downloading.
wide river
if the video made it look turn-based then i have no idea what video you watched
lime mural
Been a while actually, can't remember, unless I am mistaking it with something else.
wide river
it's literally fantasy basketball and a visual novel nailed together
wide river
(nailed together makes it sound like it's shoddily done, and it's not)
lime mural
Fantasy basketball? What? lol
stray jolt
its... a lot
lime mural
oh
stray jolt
it's basketball with rpg and fantastical elements, plus visual novel
wide river
you control three characters and have to get the big shiny orb into the enemy's net pyre without letting them dunk the orb in your own net pyre too many times
lime mural
Ah, gottcha, and the visual novel part is because we get to have 2D characters talking to each other with the text and all.
Interesting.
Not 100% if I will like it or like it as much as Transistor or Hades, but will give it a fair try.
wide river
of the three prior games pyre has the closest artstyle to hades imo
agile kettle
If you liked transistors story and atmosphere
and maybe got attatched to the characters
then keep going for sure
because without giving any spoilers
the story is incredible and you will reach a point that will make you go
"wow that was the intro"
wintry quiver
pyre is as hard as you want it to be, there's multiple ways of making it easier or harder on you. on harder difficulties it's quite a deep game
vestal bluff
Can confirm. Easy is quite easy, but it def goes up to 11
abstract rune
Pyre is probably my favorite supergiant game
Like the artstyle mixed with the stoey is so good
Also the concepts and set pieces
Not to mention the music
devout jewel
guess ill try to actually finish pyre when i get home
continuing my playthrough after a long brake feels hard, maybe I should just start a new one
lilac gale
I just want some clean recordings of Ron Falcon's voice lines so i can set them as my ringtones
small aspen
can someone explain how gilman's valiant return works?
i seem to be having some difficulties with it
sharp rivet
iirc if you kill a foe as Gilman while one of your other allies is banished, one of your allies return. Or, if it's the other one it's when your other two and gilman are all banished, gilman instantly respawns
small aspen
should be the latter of the two
i don't think i've ever had it successfully trigger though
avenging aid on the other hand has been great
mild falcon
It's meant for really aggro play I guess
hollow plinth
someone termed pyre as "basketball purgatory" a while back and it's my favorite summary of the game lol
hollow plinth
i mean, even steam: https://66.media.tumblr.com/b3a14b926b4e44b0cf64c1b6540571a6/tumblr_p01ibnH2R41svy4rgo1_1280.png
dusky cradle
To me it's the "I love Sandra" simulator.
hollow plinth
absolutely valid
dusky cradle
The truth is.
mild quartz
i'm just about to start another liberation and Hedwyn is like, my best exile but also realy want to free him
oh well, guess he's going home
hollow plinth
i love how pyre makes you love the characters so much you wanna set them free
lime mural
"I would die for Pamitha and so she needs to be free, but she is also one of my best players. Hm."
just started playing this game
cursor seems wacky
mild quartz
i just did the speech, so i probably only have one or two more liberations left, so i'm thinking pamitha and Volfred
i think it's the tip of a pen
wide river
it is!
dusky cradle
I would die for almost everyone in Pyre.
hollow plinth
too bad they all can't be free at the same time :' )
dusky cradle
But mostly Sandra.
hollow plinth
best girl
stray jolt
my speech was:
get
bertrude
out
(preferably with volfred but that hasn't worked out a couple of times)
lime mural
Meg>Sandra>Red
dusky cradle
Meg and Sandra > The rest.
stark jay
Meg=Sandra=Red
I appreciate them all for different reasons
hollow plinth
yes
small aspen
finished my first campaign 
lime mural
pyre is one of my favorite games ever
hollow plinth
@small aspen congrats!!
small aspen
thanks 
stark jay
Nice!
timid silo
How'd it go? :)
small aspen
ended up with gilman, tizo, volfred and bertrude at the end
manley and tamitha won their liberation rites
the last rite was super close
lime mural
I tried Pyre today.
Don't know what was I expecting or what I was doing to be honest. lmao
The game's good and feels very fresh, but I don't really get the crazy love in the first sight feeling, like I did with Transistor and Hades.
small aspen
the characters really expand as you play
the characters really expand as you play
they should grow on you as you get to know them better
they should grow on you as you get to know them better
hoary forum
Pyre is admittedly a slow start. (Which I didn't particularly mind, but that's a rarity even for me.)
So it takes getting into a bit before... getting really into it.
timid silo
it's got a lot going on so I think/hope there's something for everyone at some point, but I fell in love right then and there... the tone of the dialogue and worldbuilding, something about the narration clicked for me!
hollow plinth
Same. I like playing visual novels and i was already hyped before its release, so I loved pyre immediately. But that love grew exponentially as I played more
unborn copper
@lime mural I also got into Transistor and Bastion more quickly than Pyre, but I agree with what others said that Pyre has a slower build-up than its predecessors. It may require a little more patience, but both the story and gameplay will continue to get deeper throughout the game; it's a steady climb
quartz cloak
I know
lime mural
shes probably gives the best hugs
quartz cloak
I just remembered the rules and didnt wanna get banned or something
IKR
I love horns in general, but she has such beautiful ones
dusky cradle
Also, some of the songs in Pyre make me instantly bawl my eyes out.
Bound Together is one of them. But "New Union" also has that effect on me, for some reason.
If I could wipe my memory and play this again, I would do it in a heartbeat.
Now that I am going to Military service for the next month, I'll have time to write and dig deeper into Pyre. I want to do a full on analysis of it.
faint umbra
Well, New Union is also one that's close to the end. Might explain the tears. But yeah, those tears are the reason Pyre remains the best SGG game for me, despite the fact that Hades is shaping up to become another masterpiece.
steel dust
Friendship ended with Child of Light, now Pyre is my best friend
torpid niche
tough hinge
I believe it does!
dusky cradle
Also I like how "New Union" starts off with the melody of Vagrant Song. Shows that the characters, while started out as Vagrant- now have found themselves in an Union, and with purpose. No longer are they alone, but they are Bound Together.
wind cedar
Hello, after i completed Pyre i got picture of all heroes after titles does it unique to my choices?
timid silo
Hello! The pictures are always the same. What is unique to your choices is the final song where the heralds sing about the Nightwings and of course, in much greater detail, the endings 🙂
wind cedar
Thank you!
wraith shuttle
Just started playing pyre and I gottasay for some unquestionably strange reason the characters and interactions remind me of dungeon of the endless
mild quartz
can't decide between gilman and Ti'zo
quartz cloak
both
mild quartz
final rite
quartz cloak
ti'zo
mild quartz
ima have to go with Ti'zp
quartz cloak
or none
mild quartz
zo
quartz cloak
ORALECH
mild quartz
lol no
quartz cloak
huhhh
||he helps peeps if you let him out tho||
sharp rivet
||If you are one exile away from peaceful revolution will he make it succeed?||
timid silo
Depends on who you have up and down and whose bonds you care for the most. ...that said, Oralech :B
lime mural
Gilman.
sharp rivet
that's how I finished the game
mild quartz
yeah, it took me ages because i don't play pc much
cerulean dove
Lol
pliant sigil
liberating ti'zo, the nightwings member who contributes the least to volfred's plan, and ONLY ti'zo just to have him witness the bloody ending of the game
and also because he's the only one born in the downside so you're basically kicking him out into hell
silk wyvern
Beat Pyre for the first time recently, as part of my Supergiant marathon. Loved the world and music but towards the end I felt the game got repetitive. Liberating all the characters I loved and being stuck with characters I didn't care about made me lose interest for a hot minute.
mild quartz
I also freaking love how much Bound Together and the whole game is customised to your choices
like most of it is just text, but stuff like the composing of the speech make it feel so much more peaceful
silk wyvern
I can super see the replay vaule of the game but I don't imagine going back to it soon, seeing that I also have Hades now. Probably play Pyre again when I decide to do another Supergiant marathon.
mild quartz
same, its the kinda game i could see myself playing in a few years to remember it
silk wyvern
Or probably play it again when my buddy wants to play a basketball game that isn't NBA Jam.
wraith notch
Pyre is religious basketball
silk wyvern
That what really sold me on the game.
faint umbra
I'll probably do that too at some point but I already have 5 playthroughs done. First one, max difficulty one before True Nightwing was added, max difficulty one with True Nightwing, Evil Reader one and Best Ending one.
abstract rune
Evil reader?
faint umbra
Have Rukey shave his moustache, lose every single Liberation Rite (if at all possible, try facing the worst characters for them), and ||force Oralech to let you leave so you're the only free Nightwing and he commits suicide||.
wide river
😭
torn bolt
okay i object to rukey's mustache being included in this
rukey genuinely looks better without his mustache
torn bolt
he looks sketchy and less friendly with it and without it he's a nice young man!
mild falcon
the canonical rukey emoji has the stache
torn bolt
it happens to be wrong then
faint umbra
You're definitely the one who's wrong there. Rukey is objectively better with it.
small aspen
all rukeys are valid
can we not love him for what is inside
that is, a stingy tryhard
vernal harbor
compromise: have rukey donate his mustache to hedwyn
torn bolt
no
....................................sir gilman feels a need to emulate the great wyrm scribe more closely and rukey donates his mustache for that purpose
abstract rune
Pyres artstyle kinda reminds me of gigantics
fading dove
omg gigantic was the game that made me really want a pc and then once i got one it was dead
young ledge
I finally realized why the mandolin riff in Night Howlers sounds so nostalgic
Probably not an intentional thing, but I love it
harsh briar
looking back on the steam achievements in Pyre, so many I missed out on... I was able to 100% Bastion and Transistor but Pyre just whooped me for some reason. Maybe I'm just less good at this type of game?
vestal bluff
What ones are hardest for you to get?
Pyre's definitely a pretty unique game, there aren't that many like it out there
tranquil ivy
what? didnt we all grow up playing wizard basketball visual novels?
torn bolt
they'll open up to you more as you progress through the story and have more conversations
lime mural
but im already at the point where i must free one of them
and hedwyn is under 3k exp
didnt know i needed that
torn bolt
oh man
it's possible to free people without learning their backstories
and i'm pretty sure if you include nightwings + other triumvirate leaders, it's not possible to get 100% of the story
you can always replay another time!
timid silo
Can confirm. The lil plot things with the other leaders come after this point, and after this point you'll likely have freed at least one Nightwing, missing out on their personal lil plot thing
("Throw the lib rite" is not, and I repeat, NOT a valid option 
)
torn bolt
djfgfdgf
i mean, i'm fine with losing a lib rite to a superior opponent, but i think throwing one intentionally goes against the spirit of the competition
sharp rivet
What about freeing tamitha on an alt pt to make Pam happy
wide river
no because tamitha sucks >:c
sharp rivet
Rude
They are all either good children or misguided children we do not pass judgement
We simply appreciate them for who they are
torn bolt
i mean. i think tam's intentions are to go topside and Do Bad Things
the only person i could conceivably see throwing for is the fate. MAYBE ||oralech||
otherwise freedom for the worthy and tamitha can beat me if she wants it
sharp rivet
I’m not saying I continued that alt
But I did it to see Pam happy
Also don’t @ me ||drinking with Pam is best pastime||
lime mural
as if im restarting
ive backed up my save, gonna train hedwyn
so he can be the first one freed
timid silo
I'd understand Tam if it led to a better outlook for the sisters, actual long-term making Pam happy, but that one's a horrible goose through and through and I get the impression that Pam's feelings were misguided in that regard. She's speaking out of guilt.
wide river
i freed hedwyn in the second-to-last lib rite because i was too attached to him to let him go ;-;
torn bolt
i freed him first and then missed him the whole time lmao
gentle otter
I was planning on freeing him first but he had some inner monologue that was like 'please just let me stay and help my friends'. I didn't have the heart to send him that fast.
hollow plinth
I also saved Hedwyn as one of the last. I couldn't bear to send him away so soon
rapid furnace
I just realized, I bought Hades one day too late, to get a free copy of Pyre with it 
But I gotta try it out, it looks amazing!
lime mural
how do you unlock bertrude?
stray jolt
keep playing the game
lime mural
lmao, will do
torn compass
where can i talk about localization mistakes?
tough hinge
For Pyre and any older games you should send an email to support at supergiant
Since the team’s focus is on Hades right now bug fixes in other games are a super low priority rip
timid silo
If you just wanna vent, here I guess? I'm always curious about loc issues
torn compass
what is vent?
midnight hawk
to talk about a problem
torn compass
and what is btw their mail?
hollow plinth
You could probably use the contact form on their website.
lavish ridge
Twitter
lime mural
so i just did one liberation rite between the harpy sisters
my harpy asked to lose
do we gain anything if we lose that rite?
mild falcon
oh yeah thats a really memorable moment in the story
mild falcon
i think the story goes interesting places on both branches
dusty drift
any advanced tips?
I'm trying to beat big beefy boi
and i'm not saying i did
but i might've turned on all titans
mild falcon
i dodnt know anything, but it would help to post who you have left
dusty drift
everyone but rukey at that point
wintry quiver
do you still get the true nightwing achievement if you lose every single match?
timid silo
Oralech personally awards it to you, for services rendered to the actual True Nightwings, instead of Steam unlocking it 😂
tranquil ivy
oh yes
long holly
This game is all about what it means to lose
wintry quiver
I was doing very well in true nightwing mode until I got to tamitha, now I'm at my second consecutive loss
wintry quiver
at least I won the first liberation rite
unborn copper
How different is True Nightwing mode from the normal mode (standard difficulty)?
wintry quiver
heavy hill
my favorite change in TN is the "no restart" (although that can be easily cheated around) and early Feats of Glory
in the regular game imo, feats of glory comes in too late because by then you have the much much better scribe talismans
unborn copper
I don't fully understand what "cannot load checkpoints" means in-game. When ARE you allowed to reload the game (presumably you don't have play it all in one sitting)?
heady karma
unborn copper
@heady karma okay thanks, that makes sense. I guess I usually only saved after rites though, so that doesn't seem like a big game-changer to me. Is there a specific scenario/strategy that that restriction is meant to prevent?
small aspen
You can't redo anything, like conversations, purchases or rites
The game autosaves after things like that
unborn copper
Thanks @small aspen , I guess I didn't realize that was possible to begin with 
small aspen
i think that's kinda the point of the whole game, not undoing what goes wrong
they give you the option to do it, but ideally it doesn't matter in terms of progressing
faint umbra
I love True Nightwing. I play it by using all Titan Stars from the get go. Makes for an amazing playthrough.
unborn copper
@faint umbra yeah, that sounds really intense, but does it seem repetitive after having completed the game on normal settings?
wintry quiver
I took a 2 week break after finishing the game on normal difficulty and true nightwing is not being too repetitive. But I'm skipping a lot of dialog I have already read
faint umbra
All stars on completely changes the game. It goes from being a walk in the park to "Hades is actually a very easy game compared to this" real fast. I've done 2 TN runs. In each I had roughly a 50% win ratio.
wintry quiver
I'm already losing a lot with only 4 titans enabled, no way I'm playing with them all
long holly
you find yourself getting better and better with practice... soooo satisfying when you win after pushing yourself with just one more titan star that you didn't think you could beat
faint umbra
To start winning you just need to finally unlock Sir Gilman. He's crazy strong against overpowered AI
long holly
yeah he's ridiculously quick, which can be just what you need against a super advanced AI
long holly
i always find myself slipping into the pyre anyway heh
wintry quiver
the chastity just completly destroyed me, damn
lime mural
I lost once and then like a coward turned off Yslach for the final rite.
faint umbra
Coward.
Final rite is fine for me with all stars on. The real hard ones are Accusers and Withdrawn. Accusers have huge presence with those demons and Withdrawn have those darn Imps.
faint umbra
That's the point of those rites. They force you to choose one of the three most experienced on your team. Makes it harder to make that decision. But you have to. For their sake.
wintry quiver
oh that's how it works? I'll keep that in mind next time lol
long holly
some of the most painful moments in any game i've ever played are the heavy decisions you have to make in Pyre... can be an emotional experience
combined with the fact that everyone is so likeable... it's a super tricky decision, always
wintry quiver
I'm more worried about keeping my star players right now xD
faint umbra
It's part of what I love in this game. Gameplay affecting story and story affecting gameplay. Not a lot of games do that.
You can win the whole thing easily with just Gilman on your team. Who even needs a whole triumvirate 
wintry quiver
in the end it was useless to worry, tamitha is gone now
lime mural
Uh oh.
wintry quiver
I'm about to do the final liberation rite with 6 victories and 19 defeats. Didn't win a single liberation rite after the first one 
I really suck at this game, damn
small aspen
Oof
wintry quiver
the reader on this playthrough was a such an useless guy.. managed to lose most of the rites and then in the end manipulated oralech into letting him escape
lime mural
You didn't.
mild quartz
what difficulty?
mild quartz
oh fair enough, i played on normal or whatever it's called and i just equiped as many pyre restoring abilities and trinkets as possible
wintry quiver
yeah on normal I had a 90% winrate or so
mild quartz
only lost liberation rite and maybe 2 normal ones
and that was tamitha so i didn't really mind
graceful bridge
Is that game good enough like transistor or bastion
I want to play but i dont like mechanics so
wintry quiver
The gameplay is pretty different from the other SG games but I actually like it a lot
vocal widget
jesus i just got to the point where you can choose from more Exiles and since i had to not use someone i decided to not use Hedwyn since volunteered. After the ritual i found him in wagon saying "i guess we have to make some hard decisions". i think i have depression because of not using him :/
vocal widget
Hedwyn was like "idk if it was more intense on the "battlefield" or on the sideway" however he was happy we won 😄
night locust
I lost exactly one rite when I played through and it still haunts me
Liberation for Pamitha against the Withdrawn
solid ridge
What haunts me is the fact that I lost one liberation to Tamitha on my first playthrough. This wretch doesn't deserve it and she completely wasted it in the end. I also regreted almost instantly not liberating Oralech but that was easy to correct due to the save point.
pliant sigil
I managed to win all liberation rites fairly easy but the one that gave me the most trouble for some reason (besides the ||true nightwings|| one) was against tamitha
Yeah girls lets move to the center of the arena and if you dare take one step forward I will slam the orb into your pyre before you can even say mashenta foish
wheat glade
Tamtam is the worst.
pliant sigil
That one image of children menacingly t-posing a kid into a corner? That was tamitha @ me
timid silo
It took me a few attempts to master the Harps-butting timing but once I got the hang of that, Tam was the easiest... they got the orb, I got there right on time to banish them and I could manage my material advantage. (Difficult mode, haven't tried TN yet)
brisk dove
Greetings and a quick question! Who should I talk to (on the team) in order to receive more information regarding the localization of the game?
By that I mean, myself localizing the game into one of the currently unavailable languages. (italian) I'd rather talk more about it in personal messages though.
spiral osprey
You can use the contact form on our website - https://www.supergiantgames.com/contact/
As far as I know, there aren't any rules saying you can't localize the game on your own, though. You could look at the files used to localize into other languages with grammatical gender - Spanish, maybe? - and see about fitting Italian in that way. I don't foresee any issues replacing the text since Italian uses a standard Latin alphabet, so you shouldn't have to add font support or anything.
brisk dove
That would be great, unfortunately while I may start working on the translation on my own, I would also STILL need to talk to a member of the team, as I wish to do this as part of my University Thesis and would thus require their official permission.
spiral osprey
I see - yeah feel free to reach out then! I don't anticipate that anyone would say no.
brisk dove
Great! Will do so, thank you very much for the quick help.
spiral osprey
No problem! We're a little busy right now with a patch release coming up for Hades before too long, but I'm sure someone will get back with you within a few days.
brisk dove
Message sent! In the meantime, I'll be digging through some files. Thank you once again!
vestal bluff
All the game’s text is contained inside some .xml files, in a folder called text I believe
safe cape
Does anyone know if there exists versions of the Pyre songs with just Ashley's singing?
mild falcon
i think the best pyre rip out there is a file floating around called "noxalas.7z"
if you dont have any luck with that, you can use the transistor ripping tool on pyre and look for it yourself
vestal bluff
There exists the beta version of Never to Return, which is an Ashley solo
sharp rivet
Where can that be found, if at all?
vestal bluff
The ‘Tube
The lyrics and the instrumentation are a bit different, but it still slaps
dusky cradle
Hey-
Just to remind y'all:
As it has been a while since my last reminder:
Remember to appreciate and love Sandra.
She deserves it all, and much more.
strong maple
The early version of vagrant and never to return are so fantastic
ivory leaf
Can someone give me a spoiler free explanation of pyres plot and setting that is more detailed than the one on steam?
vernal harbor
you are in a fantasy australia, and you play a sacred ball game against other exiles to go back to civilization, and the more of your teammates go back the more peaceful the inevitable revolution will be
the ritual ball game is a mix of basketball and american football, and come in practice-ish games where nobody will be freed so it's okay to lose those, and the critical ones where you have to win to let go a teammate
who will go back to civilization
ivory leaf
makes sense. I heard u have to throw games. on purpose to get her endings?
Good endings I mean. Can’t type
stray jolt
nah, not really
dusky cradle
Nope.
stray jolt
but i will say that the game doesn't have a game over state, so no matter if you lose or win you keep going forward
dusky cradle
The game has a heavy topic of personal responsibility and decision making.
vernal harbor
I'm not sure which character you mean, but there are way too many possible endings and many of them are good, and if you lose against a very bad person the revolution will be more violent
dusky cradle
You get to "pick" when you win and you lose.
Of course skill is involved, but if you want to throw games then go ahead. But it is not necessary one bit.
Not lore or gameplay wise.
vernal harbor
yes, as Solid said, you can pick, so if you like the other party you can let them win
stray jolt
imo if you do play the game, i recommend just playing at your natural ability, no resetting if you win or lose
dusk current
I agree, even when a loss might be a bitter pill. 
vernal harbor
there is an achievement for being a horrible flying wagon driver though
dusky cradle
Though I for one only threw one match on purpose, and I think we all know which one.
vernal harbor
we all have a personal favourite match to throw
(not an accurate assumption at all)
dusky cradle
Well-spoilers are okay here.
I threw the one against Tam.
Liberation rite, that is.
ivory leaf
I’ll play the game eventually since I got it for free
heavy hill
you...threw the tamitha rite? 👀
that's a definite first
vernal harbor
I never believed Tamitha's perception for one moment, so the only sympathy I had for her was from Pamitha
(Pamitha was also an unreliable narrator, so dig the truth yourself)
heavy hill
and also she is very clearly, at the least, not entirely devoted to the idea of peace
severe quail
I wasn't trying to throw that one but under the circumstances... lost
I'd say maybe half or a little more of the other teams are sympathetic enough to consider helping, and some of them will help you
Unfortunately, there aren't enough rites to get even all of your people up, so of course throwing any means even more of your people are stuck below forever
mild falcon
Throwing to tam might be a bit valid, I can't imagine anyone throwing to manley
wind cedar
@strong maple Where can i find early version of vagrant? I can't find that one.
lime mural
I remember I got past the first liberation rite in Pyre a year or so back but then I realized I got way too anxious about the idea of possibly failing one rite and not being able to send all the people up so I haven't played it since 
timid silo
You can in fact restart Rites! There's even a specific "restart rite" button if you pause the game during a rite!
I understand the philosophy of "just keep going, that's how life is, game's built around losing" but I was bad at rites and also found myself unexpectedly enjoying the challenge.
From that perspective, since there's a limited number of Rites in a game, I got to play more and rise up to its challenges and had more fun save-scumming to hell and back. People who get anxious about getting a worse ending may also have more fun that way.
lime mural
Yeah but then I feel bad about it since it doesn't feel as much of "my game" any more
with my choices
i'm planning on doing a full restart on it whenever I get back to it, probs
timid silo
Makes sense to do a full restart, I think? There's a lot to enjoy narratively once you know at least what you know past the first lib rite, you can work toward sending up who you want to send up first, and get back into the gameplay dynamics.
lime mural
Yeah, I'd feel weird hopping into it after the first lib
and i'm kind of hoping the gameplay will be more intuitive with a controller too, tbh
timid silo
Speaking as someone who played on PC, tried the very first rite with kb+m and ran away screaming to grab the closest controller: ...probably, yeah 😂
lime mural
yeah, it didn't feel the best. controller makes more sense in theory
i love the game so much though, even from my brief time playing it
i just cant seem to get back into it o:
cobalt elbow
truth be told keyboard set up is just a secret hardmode
timid silo
I'm told people who are actually good at keyboard controls get more precision that way. I'm not. No idea how I can blindtype rather easily but end up wrapping my fingers in a bow whenever I try wasd controls but whatever. Controller feels much more intuitive to me.
lime mural
i only got a controller this christmas alongside Hades so I'd say i'm more proficient using the keyboard overall but some games just don't make thaaat much sense on it
timid silo
I'm a console player at heart, begrudgingly turning more and more to PC, and I'm ever so thankful PS4 controllers are Steam-compatible!
lime mural
Hah, I get that. And yee controller support's lovely
cobalt elbow
funny thing I played through all supergiant games with keyboard
even though I can use my xbox 360 controller
torn bolt
hah, i only got decent at video games once i started using a controller
i need something i can hold
strong maple
@wind cedar look up “ursa idea”
Ursa was the pre release name for pyre, if I’m not mistaken
Also, the early version of vagrant lives on in pyre still, but only the instrumental. I think it’s called New Union
wind cedar
Oh, okay, thank you, thought that's another song.
severe quail
Could always just do your first playthrough letting things go however they go, and then play again using save scumming
heavy hill
that's the best way\
midnight hawk
i also played all the sgg games w a keyboard only, no mouse
olive kestrel
There's a part of me that wants to forget all about pyre just so I can play it again for the first time.
midnight hawk
well actually it was laptop track pad too. but that's just hopes ive been playing games since like... forever. i never use a mouse
vestal bluff
Absolutely mental
vernal harbor
kb no m
mild falcon
if you have a gamer mice you can probably play pyre mouse only
defeat manley and pick your nose at the same time
sharp rivet
I mean.. you only really need uhhhhh 4? Buttons to play mouse only, 5 to do it to the fullest extent of control
mild falcon
Hmm, with creative binding of the scroll wheel....
sharp rivet
didn't think of that
cedar python
My fiance and I are checking this out after it passed us by and I'm already really happy with being able to choose how you're referred to in game
Once again I love supergiant's character designs
vestal bluff
If you're playing this with your SO, something that's a ton of fun is to voice-act the game together
Me and my gf did this and it was really entertaining
cedar python
yeah we like doing that too
So far there's a lot of really interesting ideas, I'm pretty intrigued
wide river
not gonna lie, part of what drew me to the game is the fact that it lets you use they/them
timid silo
I love the tone it sets from the very beginning.
earnest tangle
I'm very excited about the upcoming making of Pyre, I'll wait this one to watching all makings of in a row 👌
cerulean dove
I feel like I'll love this game when I play more of it
small aspen
today i learned that accuser was used to refer to defendants in trials by combat
the triumvirate suddenly makes a lot more sense
magic fog
valid totem
folks...
oop - looks like i cant post screeshots here
yes - look at that dorky little critter 
oh it's so goofy - i love it
meeting that imp felt like a random encounter of sorts
i wonder how often he's gonna pop up
valid totem
Hold 🅱️ to Implode
i wish i had that button prompt irl
just go skreeeee and wreck everything around and respawn three seconds later
valid totem
aaaaand i just lost with the essence by literally just one point
their pyre had 1 hp left