pyre

[lime mural]

"the one who knocks" is weird to parse because now I want Bryan Cranston to voice a character in the next SGG title.

[timid silo]

(the Heralds' ending is muddled and I think intentionally so, so you can imagine what you want. If you want them to return to the stars, sure, they literally say so. If you want them to stick around, the text makes a whole fuss about their songs popping up in the Union and I'd say that kind of supports a

https://laughingpinecone.tumblr.com/post/183498714472/neither-tariq-nor-celeste-were-ever-seen-again-we

[mild falcon]

Damn they jumped into the fountain at the last second

[timid silo]

Also Tariq makes a BIG fuss (for Tariq standards) about "hey Celeste hey let's like, not do what we're supposed to do after the rites end"

[mild falcon]

what were they supposed to do

was there a rite ending protocol?

[lime mural]

Celeste is the sun and Tariq is the moon, right?

[mild falcon]

the last page of the book is glued to the previous one accidentally, but it reads "TROUBLESHOOTING: if the rites are slowing down or stopping, the rites access panel can be found two inches to the right of the big red rock on the mountain... type in the password 12345 and try turning it off and on again. if that doesn't work, replace the fuses"

[timid silo]

Iirc they were kind of supposed to disappear at least until the next cycle of the rites?

And Celeste was stuck on that mountain and never saw anything but the rites. Tariq was changed by all the people he travelled with...

[onyx forum]

hdjdhd i love that pic

just two singers, seles and zariq, nothing to see here

[timid silo]

"We know [ending details] through songs attributed to them" and well. You know.

[polar wren]

https://imgur.com/1wEcF4Z

[onyx forum]

hdjdjgkfjfg

[sharp rivet]

omg

[lime mural]

https://i.imgur.com/n3yFTkZ.gif
Volfred after a bloodless revolution is achieved:

[heavy hill]

https://i.redd.it/yiuu0y560ax31.jpg this in aj's voice

[hidden zephyr]

forbidden knowledge

[dusky cradle]

Now in every game wheere I can name items or things, I name everything after SGG characters.

TF2 especially every single strange item I have is named after someone from Pyre/Transistor.

[mild falcon]

Necrobombicon looks a little bit like a book of rites...

[dusky cradle]

Also, pssst.

Do not forget: Sandra is precious and you should always do right by Orb Wife.

This is a fact.

[mortal hemlock]

📖
🦀

please do not teach the crabs to read

[livid fog]

Will Pyre ever get a console release

[midnight hawk]

perhaps once they're not working on a new game, but who knows

[livid fog]

I have the other 3 games on Steam (transistor on my switch too) but I feel like I want to just wait for the Switch release since I don't play on my PC much anymore

[timid silo]

Isn't it on PS4 already?

[midnight hawk]

so it is

[young ledge]

Sabondias, símadaret.

I do not suppose that linguist ever finished their 'dictionary' of Sahrian?

[polar wren]

Well, I do remember that Ligaratus is "Reader" in Sahrian. And Noxalas is Nightwings. But I do wish we got translations for the phrases that were spoken by the characters. The voice lines didn't always match up to the dialogue exactly, but SG has said they made a semi-functional language with a relatively small, yet impressive, dictionary of phrases. (I also wish we got a map of the Commonwealth, but whatever.)

[young ledge]

Sadly I know both of those. :V
Kinda prefer Pamitha's 'Magaratus' to Ligeratus.

It sounds like magós/magus, ie magician, in other words it sounds like Pamitha is jokingly calling the Reader a heretic.

[onyx forum]

pam's is ligeramis, isnt it? gilman's magaratus

[young ledge]

Right, 'darn,' I got it backwards.

Figures I'd run into a server that frowns on pg13 language someday.

[onyx forum]

yup, rule # 2 keep it clean
It makes sense for gilman tho!!

like him being so IN AWWE OF UR COOL READING POWERS

[young ledge]

"Safe for work" can be interpreted poorly depending on one's profession. I'm used to language policies referring to slurs/ad hominem and such, not vulgarity itself. But I digress.

Also, true.

Ugh, I am going to accidentally trigger that bot so much.

[onyx forum]

it just takes a little more mindfulness is all!

i will say proxy is overeager sometimes tho, its not always the person's fault 😂
BUT IN ANY CASE, so many ligaratus variations and theyre all cool

[young ledge]

I am an redacted. We use the F-word as punctuation. ;_;

[onyx forum]

haha ohhh boy

[young ledge]

I probably have the dumbest reason for obsessively trying to learn Sahrian. hides DnD notes

[onyx forum]

ohhhh youre running a pyre campaign?

[young ledge]

Nim. I'm usually a player, but our DM likes to allow us to run our own sessions on occasion. Let us write into the story a bit, see how we can map etc. I have a thing for languages and music so in cases such as "they say something to you in Draconic" I may use Norse, or Infernal/Celestial will be Chaos Language from NieR, etc. Sahrian has a warm, modal sound to it so I've been wanting to use it a lot.

Also I use Pyre's OST a lot in my sessions.

The White Lute cut is especially good for bard/tavern bits.

Incidentally, Vagrant Song is really fun to sing. 🤔

[onyx forum]

Oooh, fun!!

[young ledge]

Hm. So I would assume that lig- in ligeratus is like Lege (v. read) in latin, -atus seems to be a declension suffix for making a noun out of a quality (literacy -> literate) whereas -amis seems similar to ami- or friendly/familiar? Is Pamitha a reader...? Or just really outgoing?

[onyx forum]

pam's not a reader but she is the most aware of readingpowers, i think, having trained to block them and all! and also is pretty friendly, yeah

[spiral osprey]

it's also been pointed out somewhere that "ligaratus" might be etymologically derived from latin "ligare", to tie or bind (derivative in modern words like "ligature"). in which case "ligaratus" might specifically refer to capital-R Readers in the Rites whose job is to pull the team together, and might not refer to the concept of literacy itself.

bound together and all that

or, you know, it could refer to all readers (Readers and literate individuals) in-universe and just exists out of universe as a nice bit of etymological subtext

[wide river]

ligaratus, ligaramis (pamitha), magaratus (gilman), ligararum (bertrude), ligarestas (volfred)

i can't remember any other variants off the top of my head

[mild quartz]

ohhhhhh noxalas means nightwings? i thought it just meant 'victory' or something

that makes way more sense

[sharp rivet]

Indeed

Also I would really love to see it if someone did manage to make a comprehensive Sahrian dictionary

[midnight hawk]

jan did a pretty good job i think

[earnest roost]

Resumed my True Nightwing run after a year, still can't beat Lendel and his demons...

[mild falcon]

Lendel is the anime protagonist look at his hair

He can never lose

[timid silo]

the third Von Karma kid.......

Commonwealth Edgeworth, Commonwealth Franziska, please /Ace Attorney

[onyx forum]

don't forget thanatos

edgeworth two

[dusky cradle]

Don't forget-

To do right by Sandra.

[vestal bluff]

💚Always💚save💚orb💚wife💚

[dusky cradle]

Facts.

[sharp rivet]

Sandra is correct

[young ledge]

@spiral osprey That would make Bound Together all the more relevant

[dusky cradle]

One of the most thrilling moments in this game is when Volfred speaks to you in English.

Like seriously.
"You are not the only one who can read."
Or something like that, I cant recall the full quote.

[young folio]

oh yeah, i thought i was either imagining it or imagining all the sahrian

[onyx forum]

i too can read, my kin

[young folio]

forbidden though the words may be

[onyx forum]

forbidden though the words may be....

YEAH

[young folio]

SKDJGFHSKJ

[onyx forum]

JGBJGFHJ

[dusky cradle]

Sorry.

His voice.

[onyx forum]

youre right

[young folio]

youre right!

[dusky cradle]

Are you two connected or something-

[onyx forum]

MAYBE SO......

mod hivemind

were bound together

[dusky cradle]

Hey-

[young folio]

the hundred-mods

[dusky cradle]

Will you stay true 'till the end?

[onyx forum]

yesss

[dusky cradle]

Was that a freaking Marco Polo reference?

[onyx forum]

were gonna need a hundred mods by the time steam release for hades

idk that except the like, children's game, sorry

[dusky cradle]

A Netflix series.

It has a character called Hundread Eyes.

Who is like- near omnipotent.

Though blind.

[young folio]

ohhh no it was in reference to a scribe

[onyx forum]

lu sclorian

[dusky cradle]

Well, either way-

Psst. You should definitely watch Marco Polo. I suck at watching series but that one. That one is real good.

I though am biased because history junkie.

[young folio]

the hundred-minds

[dusky cradle]

I wish we could have way more dialogue with Sandra.

I just want to talk to this character all the time.

She has an interesting take on the Scribes and the world in general.

[onyx forum]

hjhfhj everyone thinks the scribes are so cool except whoever got stuffed into a basketball bc of them

[dusky cradle]

Not only stuffed into a basketball

But also blinded

because

"I don't believe this ex-tyrant is good now."

But her Sass.

Oh my god how can someone be so Sassy and still so lovable and perfect and wonderful-

💚 Love 💚 The 💚 Orb 💚 Wife 💚

[lime mural]

Sandra's had 700 years to become Orb Wife.

[onyx forum]

💚 💚

[lime mural]

She wasn't Orb Wife when she tried to kill Soliam.

[onyx forum]

she was orb KNIFE

[young folio]

knife wife

[lime mural]

^

[dusky cradle]

She was Knife-wife

Then became Orb-Wife

call me crazy but both are good.

As long as Sandra is happy I'm ready to anything.

"Reader- please stop talking and jump off that bridge."
"YES ABSOLUTELY WHATEVER YOU SAY"

[mild falcon]

The Scribes remind you that the Companion Orb will never threaten to stab you and, in fact, cannot speak. In the event that the Companion Orb does speak, the Scribes urge you to disregard its advice.

[dusky cradle]

I still wonder how the Reader somehow sneaks the Beyonder Orb past Celeste

Not to mention where did the Reader stuff a massive glowing green orb that has a Scribe-disliking, sassy, lethal and blinded woman in it. Actually, has multiple of those in it.

[mild falcon]

Celeste lets the reader have the orb because the alternative is that she has to deal with her

[dusky cradle]

Okay that-

I like that.

[mild falcon]

Celeste COULD confiscate it but then she would have it

[dusky cradle]

Celeste is already sassy as is, to have to put up with Sandra's sass-
I mean, that would perhaps not be so cool.

And I think Sandra really does not get along well with Tariq or Celeste.

[onyx forum]

tariq and sandra have had lots of wagon time together huh

probably she keeps trying to goad him into saying he hates the scribes and he keeps neatly deflecting

[dusky cradle]

Tariq is the master of curving.

180's the conversation.

[onyx forum]

everything tariq says is about like 5 abstractions removed from what he means

[wide river]

tariq, probably: if i ever say what i actually mean i will literally die

[onyx forum]

tariq: you know how ive lived 800 years? cause i never say what i mean

[dusky cradle]

Sandra, probably: Say what you mean mean what you say. Had it not been for this orb I would have stabbed you already.

[onyx forum]

(john mulaney screencap) "im just going to keep all my feelings right here, and then one day, ill return to the stars"

[dusky cradle]

r/unexpectedmulaney

Now I really need to start applying John Mulaney quotes into Pyre situations.

[timid silo]

PLEASE DO

(I'm not even familiar with Mulaney past the mandatory Tumblr exposure, I just lose it at well-done incorrect quotes from any good source)

[heavy hill]

STREET SMARTS!

[midnight hawk]

or not

[onyx forum]

oof, lets not

[dusky cradle]

The Voice: Reader? Are you harboring a traitor in your ranks?

The Reader: And I said "No." You know, like a liar.

[onyx forum]

hfvhjfvhjfvhjfvhj

[heady karma]

Honestly my head canon for the end of pyre was having an endless sarcasm battle with sandra

with AJ butting in occasionally to tell us which one he hates less

[onyx forum]

awwwwwwww nice

[dusky cradle]

My Headcanon is like, if the Reader goes free, they and Sandra will travel. Beyond the seas and stuff.

I just want Sandra to be as happy as possible SHE HAS BEEN WRONGED SO MUCH.

[heady karma]

"for someone who lives in an orb, you're pretty terrible at getting the ball rolling"

[lime mural]

Tariq: "So Celeste and I did twenty-one plays of Never to Return, and then we waited...But a word about Celeste, and what a genius she was because when we were playing the first seven Never to Returns, she says to me, 'hey, hey, hey wait. Before we drop in another Never to Return. Let's put in one 'vagrant song.' And that's when the Rite went from good to great."

[heavy hill]

"anyway, here's wonderwall"

[lime mural]

-Tariq, getting away with it because almost nobody in the Downside can understand English

[young ledge]

"Well Tariq, this is the last Liberation Rite. For this playthrough anyway. Will be nice to get a break from Never to Return for a few hours."
"To hell with it, here's Paper Boats."

Pamitha: "Ok I don't know what this is but it slaps"

[lime mural]

lol

also, imagine having Pamitha present at the final Liberation Rite because you didn't free her earlier 😛

[young ledge]

Who do you think it was for?

[heady karma]

I mean, sometimes she ||asks you to throw and let her sister leave instead of her||

[young ledge]

I'd just as soon let Barker leave.

[dusky cradle]

I did throw to let Tamitha get out.

Pamitha genuinely just wants good for her sis, and I respect that.

[timid silo]

I thiiink it's a bit more layered than that - there's a lot of guilt at play in whatever Pamitha does, and her relationship with Tamitha is all sorts of messed up 😦

[gilded narwhal]

Hello. I remember there being a way to play True Nightwing mode without beating the game first by toying with the steam launch options, but I've forgotten how exactly. Does anyone know?

[torn bolt]

i don't, but i don't........quite know why you would want to

like imo you should play through the story first the normal way once, you get access to some things early in true nightwing that i think are more impactful as reveals later? if that makes sense?

[midnight hawk]

i don't think it's a good idea to let tam out just to appease pam. you can't do something destructive just to please someone else, especially with how it's borne of guilt

[torn bolt]

yeah

[gilded narwhal]

I've played through this game a million times. That's why I want to jump to True Nightwing mode first.

[torn bolt]

oh okay, different platform

i don't know, sorry

also re: theyn sisters. i don't want to let pam and tam end up on the same side either.

i know some people do that but you know what? i value pam's physical safety more than tam's idea of getting closure 😰

[timid silo]

I would prefer it if they ended up on different sides but I am certainly not going to let Tam out and I have other priorities in the complex network of "people who need to be up", "people who are maybe better down" and "people whose bond I'm not gonna sever if it's the last thing I do or so help me" that informs each of us when we plan our ideal ending :c

[torn bolt]

yeah........ 😔

[timid silo]

so my Pam stays down while Tam is also down :c not ideal but That's The Point in general :c it's one of my compromises.

[torn bolt]

imo my first ending was not.........i wouldn't say those choices were ideal, but i guess they had a certain narrative sense to them that i haven't found anywhere else

[timid silo]

Nice!

I fully embodied the "the risk I took was calculated but man am I bad at math" bird

[torn bolt]

i had hedwyn/jodi/rukey/chae/gilman/pamitha/volfred up, i was down with bertrude and ti'zo, oralech was You Know

dshfjh valid i totally totally save scummed my first time because i was too stressed about making my friends be happy

[midnight hawk]

yeah i think that was pretty close to what i did

[torn bolt]

i'd say maybe reader up and volfred and oralech alive downside would be 'better', but............i didn't know if 89% was a guaranteed success for the plan or if it would really roll that percentage

and i couldn't take the risk

honestly despite how much i love the original group and dislike volfred that ending had a lot of poignancy

[midnight hawk]

god yeah i didn't realize there probably statistic was essentially useless and im like "gotta send volfred up for The Plan"

[torn bolt]

like the framing of 'you gave your freedom'........it's the cinematic parallels

yeah

[timid silo]

I sent up Bertrude for some reason I honestly cannot fathom in hindsight and was like "okay. so. I'm gonna send up Pamitha last and end with Volfred down so he can patch things up with Oralech and also Tariq is around, he's gonna be FINE"

[mild falcon]

He's gonna be better than fine with 2 bfs

[torn bolt]

tbh it's got the kind of trade offs and ambiguity with a mostly happy ending that i consider my first playthrough my canon worldstate

but i feel like reader topside and volf and oralech downside might be better.........if only ti'zo didn't miss the reader :'/c

[timid silo]

and then the ending choice happened and I had to pick Oralech if only to see what happened and Tariq nyoomed out and sorry Volfred 😅

[torn bolt]

that's life, volfred

[timid silo]

...so I immediately started a new playthrough. I like Reader, Bertrude, Pamitha and Gilman down, all things considered! Although the Volfred and Oralech down option has its charm and poignancy.

[torn bolt]

honestly it's not that i want oralech to die, i just think that........the direction where he does makes sense

i had a really cool setup too where we fought everyone's rival on their own liberation rite

and the volfred/oralech final rite liberation stand off is intense

-- okay, not exactly though, because i sent hedwyn up first and that was the tempers

maybe we fought the accusers on jodi? idk exactly 😅

[lime mural]

I let exactly zero enemies go. Wasn't it not-so-subtly implied that most of them would cause MORE damage if any of them ever got back to the surface? Tamitha's a pretty nasty warmonger and no matter what you do she'll paint Pamitha as the villain, so best to get Pam away from her sister.

[mild falcon]

What about the fate though...

[quartz cloak]

FATE

[mild falcon]

I,m jjust,,, a litool dogie...pwease llet,,, my son go pwease

[lime mural]

Oh, wait.

[quartz cloak]

actually, they have a good ending if they stay in the downside

[lime mural]

See, I knew there was one or two decent people.

[quartz cloak]

Especially if you keep Xae there

[lime mural]

Fae, Ti'zo, Bertrude, and I think myself stayed.

[quartz cloak]

I made Xae, Gilman, Bertrude, and myself stay.
None of them really wanted to go back up that much, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[torn bolt]

i've heard gilman's downside ending is okay

honestly i really liked chae's ending topside........she becomes a religious leader and inspires people :'}c

proud of my daughter!!

[mortal hemlock]

I think best ending is to free Jodi, Rukey, Hedwyn, Gilman, Pamitha, Volfred, and Oralech. Ti'zo Bertrude, ae and reader are chill with staying.

[torn bolt]

i mean, that depends on how you characterize your reader, doesn't it

[nova fox]

i wanna go hoooome

[timid silo]

Ti'zo and Oralech are tough to split though :c and moreso ae and Jodi, for me

[torn bolt]

nvm oralech, ti'zo and reader :(

being apart from anyone is hard but ti'zo and hedwyn specifically feel bad if you're not around

[dusky cradle]

Sandra's freedom is what matters the most to me.

Be it free in Exile or up in the new Empire.

[mortal hemlock]

I mean splitting Tizo and Oralech might be sad but so is splitting up Hedwyn and Jodi, or Volfred and Oralech, etc. I'm going for the least disagreeable option. You can't free them all.

[young ledge]

I have no intention to let Tam out. Pamitha tried to reconcile and Tam reacted by being more 'dog' than 'bird' if you know what I mean. She can rot.

[mortal hemlock]

Also, she... you know, wants to kill everyone in the Commonwealth.

[heavy hill]

The first time around, I liberated my reader

But I lost against Oralech, so I had to do it the """evil""" way by manipulating him

still feel bad

[midnight hawk]

i don't think you have to manipulate him? i don't remember the specifics but isn't there something like "reach out to him"?

[onyx forum]

yeah, theres a way to be nice

[heavy hill]

oh whoops

[lime mural]

@mortal hemlock I reallly didn't want to separate Bertrude and Volfred; Bertrude is okay with staying but really just wants to spend time with Volfred and vice versa. IMHO, best ending is Volfred, Bertrude, Ti'zo, & Oralech stay in the downside, w/the Reader, Jodariel, Rukey, Hedwyn, Gilman, Moontouched/Vagabond Girl, & Pamitha sent back up.

[dusky cradle]

@lime mural Don't forget Sandra.

[lime mural]

Oh of course. Take Best Sassy Woman with you wherever you go.

[sharp rivet]

Never forget Sandra

[lime mural]

I assumed that was a given 😛

Only change I'd make to that, Bananarchist, is swap Volfred and Bertrude with the Reader and Fae.

[lime mural]

Send Volfred and Bertrude up and let the Reader and Fae remain in the Downside? Nah, fam

Volfred and Bertrude are 100% okay with staying down. (My) Reader wanted to be with Rukey, Hedwyn, Jodariel, etc., and Fae spending time with Jodi is 10/10

[timid silo]

Volfred's entire life work is bringing about a peaceful revolution, he may rationalize that his dream is bigger than he and it's cool if he doesn't get to see it happen but I wouldn't say he's 100% okay with staying down?

[torn bolt]

ultimately though there are a lot of people who aren't 100% cool with staying down (most of them?) so like

shrug emoji

[timid silo]

Oh of course - it's impossible to make everyone completely happy, it's the whole point of making us choose.

[dusky cradle]

Of course I felt bad not having Hedwyn complete his promise of us all going free but, I think it was okay for the Reader to stay in the Downside, if it meant the Moontouched girl/Vagabond Girl got to go free.

[quartz cloak]

i kept xae with me because of how she'd spoken saying she liked it more down here

[dusky cradle]

I just didn't want her to be alone, after all I had freed Ti'zo before.

I didn't want either to be alone.

[quartz cloak]

I sadly didnt lose to The Fate

So I kept her with the son

[dusky cradle]

I didn't lose to the Fate either, the only one I lost to was Tamitha on purpose to free her.

[quartz cloak]

I didnt lose to a n y o n e
i almost lost to the withdrawn purely because uldimithe(?) scared me

[sharp rivet]

Umhilde has that effect on readers

[dusky cradle]

Funny- The theme that plays when you visit the Beyonder Orb is called "Forbidden Knowledge".
And Sandra is the one with the not-so positive views on the Scribes.

Hmm..

[west harbor]

I just assumed cause literacy and all mention of the scribes was forbidden, and she literally lives inside a book ABOUT the scribes

[mild falcon]

No she lives in a soccer ball

[dusky cradle]

In a soccer ball that she was put in by the scribes.

[mild falcon]

No wonder she hates em

[dusky cradle]

Well they also:
-Enslaved her
-Blinded her
-Made her forever serve the rites and scribes- which she hates.

[mild falcon]

I misread that to mean that she hates the rites too, she's the kind of person who calls all athletics "sportsball"

[dusky cradle]

Well, she is doing what she is doing not out of choice. It can be assumed she does not like the rites one bit.

At least she does not voice it like she does.

[dusky cradle]

Oh also-
At the end of the game, well- later anyway. The Vagabond Girl quotes the book of the rites. Without ever actually having read the book, or even having the ability to read.
Methinks, or me speculates- and probably many before me have as well, I'm basically re-inventing the wheel here but; Does the Vagabond girl actually have abilities to become a reader? Like Volfred or the Reader themselves. She obviously is in some sort of contact with the Scribes- would make sense she could read.. or at the very least, learn to.

[torn bolt]

oh on the list of characters who could develop large r reading i think chae is absolutely up there

i also think pamitha can small-r read

the highwings don't have a literacy ban

in fact, we know that highwing soldiers are trained to withstand mental stress and interrogation, and she seems to be able Specifically to hide her intentions from the reader, or get them out of her head, so i think it's very likely they're trained against readers specifically as part of that

but i don't think she'd try to develop that skill herself........i think having that kind of influence would make her uncomfortable 😰

[onyx forum]

yeah......

id love a scene wher e the reader invites her to the book and she says no thanks

[torn bolt]

no thanks!

pam: [opens a cupboard] [the book of rites is there] we hafta leave

[onyx forum]

jdkgkfkf

[torn bolt]

okay also that vine but it's reader and then aj

[onyx forum]

khkfkdkfkcncjg

[torn bolt]

[sees archjustice in the cupboard] we have to leave

[onyx forum]

hhhhhhhh pam also not Reading bc she feels its another crime against tam

https://closecaptionvevo.tumblr.com/post/143970896252 also. aj and reader vine

[torn bolt]

oh GOOD

hey do we know what the age order for pam and tam is?

i always pictured them as twins, i guess, but i'm biased

[onyx forum]

HUH. i....think?? tam is older?

[torn bolt]

i don't remember seeing it in my playthroughs

she's Got an older sibling vibe i guess

[quartz cloak]

yeah ive always assumed tam is older

[onyx forum]

yeah that could just be how i saw it

[torn bolt]

they also just have a very twin dynamic

[onyx forum]

hdngngn do harp twins share an egg

[torn bolt]

not in a 'OoOooOoh Twins' way in a realistic---

[onyx forum]

or do they just happen to hatch at the same moment

[torn bolt]

🤔

i............did not think of that.............

[onyx forum]

bc like. when a bird lays eggs or a cat has a litter theyre siblings not twins

[torn bolt]

YEAH.............

and for a brief moment i was so caught up in the euphoria of projecting my experiences onto a fictional character that i forgot we lived in a world where birds existed

[dusky cradle]

Do.. Do Harps lay eggs?

[torn bolt]

see i don't know about that either

but apparently birds CAN have twins from the same egg, although it's rare

https://www.quora.com/Can-birds-have-identical-twins

[onyx forum]

bird twins and they name them rhyming names to celebrate

[torn bolt]

and there seem to be multiple sources about this too dshjfg not just one quora answer

[dusky cradle]

But they are Harps- human and birds.
So eggs or not eggs.

[torn bolt]

AWFUL.........theme twin names is the worst thing you can do to children

[dusky cradle]

I mean-

As a person who has twin friends and has a rhyming name to my own sibling.

It isn't that bad.

[torn bolt]

god i'm a twin and if i had a rhyming name with my brother i would lose it

or a set name, or a themed name,

[onyx forum]

hey speaking of. do imps lay eggs. are they more bird or bat

[torn bolt]

i feel like it comes down to where you fall on the 'treat them like separate people' debate

hmmm.............

i would say live birth

parrot imp behavior is Very good, but they do look like they have fur (??)

[onyx forum]

wyrms? definitely eggs

[torn bolt]

baby imps........

oh yeah

[dusky cradle]

Apparently, if my Mother had known she would have three sons, she would have named us after the guys in the Finnish version of "When the Robbers came to Cardamom Town."

Wyrms are mentioned even to have eggs in the game.

[torn bolt]

okay that's slightly cool

[onyx forum]

oh yeah!!

[torn bolt]

the question is if wyrms have hard eggs like reptiles, or soft ones like fish

[onyx forum]

i assumed soft

[dusky cradle]

If the wyrms are in water, I assume soft.

[torn bolt]

i think that makes more sense, but they are technically related to bog crones

albeit distantly

oh man what if bog crones with leathery eggs, like crocodiles

[onyx forum]

soft bog crone eggs

OOH

[dusky cradle]

Bog Crone shoes.

Bog Crone s h o e s.

[torn bolt]

NO..............THOSE ARE PEOPLE.........

[timid silo]

By which they mean that bog crones make shoes out of anyone even vaguely entertaining the opposite idea

[torn bolt]

djfgsd yes

[dusky cradle]

But they are like snakes, right-

[mild falcon]

bog crones make shoes out of their favorite late relatives to remember them

[dusky cradle]

They have many.. feet?

No wait-

They have one big tail that they slither with-

But a boot on that.

[torn bolt]

they can make belts

with lots of pouches for alchemy components

[mild falcon]

bertrude: volfred, my good friend. after i pass, please make me into a nice purse, and bring me around where ever you go, so that I will still be with you

[onyx forum]

jfkfkfncnvnvn

[dusky cradle]

ASkdjfhskjdf

Volfred: I'll turn you into a book.

[onyx forum]

they can make it out of shed skin its fine!!!

[torn bolt]

oh that's also true

[dusky cradle]

Okay also why is Hedwyn so

[mild falcon]

bog crones shed....... dont shedding animals usually eat their shed?

[dusky cradle]

Kind and amazing and literally the definition of "Things going down but it's okay since we are happy together"

[onyx forum]

bc hes wonderful

[dusky cradle]

He is-

[mild falcon]

he does it to keep the horns away

[dusky cradle]

And I am a Selfish reader I did not want to set him free.

I wanted to spend more time with him.

[timid silo]

Shedding animals who may have more use for a pouch than for food maybe don't eat their shed!

[onyx forum]

bertrude, halfway through eating her shed: nnnngggghmunvh munch munch
reader: um
bertrude: wouldst thou want us to save some for a pair of shoes
reader: um its ok

[timid silo]

If Volfred goes first he can become a... a book, I suppose?

[onyx forum]

😭 he can........

not without a full chop tho i guess ;0; at least let him take root in a big old tree way

[mild falcon]

bertrude: munch munch munch
hedwyn: oh so youd rather eat dead skin than my cooking huh >:(
bertrude: oh, no offense intended...

[dusky cradle]

Bertrude: munch yum
Hedwyn: You know I had food right th-
Bertrude: Stop flirting with me GOD I like Volfred.

[mild falcon]

lmaooo

[onyx forum]

hfjcncnf

.....gilman eating his shed, much more obviously

[torn bolt]

hedwyn: he's gay though!!

oh absolutely

[onyx forum]

bertrude: we have DREAMSSSS, thou knowst

[torn bolt]

oh apparently sea snakes shed their skin more than land snakes

so gilman eating his shed regularly

[onyx forum]

by the time bertrude does it its not even weird

[dusky cradle]

Gilman just munching on his skin half the time

[torn bolt]

apparently they (sea snakes and presumably wyrms) have to shed regularly to stay healthy and disease free for swimming!

i've learned multiple biology factoids over the course of this conversation

[dusky cradle]

Ok but

Because it's almost four AM.

I should remind you that Sandra is perfect.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[mild falcon]

...do you think saps eat their "shed"?

like, the pieces of bark that must come off of them

[torn bolt]

nah, i don't think so

saps clearly have a different setup for getting nutrients than plants do, because they're mobile and have complex intelligent

that comes with different nutritional needs and eating habits presumably

[dusky cradle]

I think Volfred would just discard it.

...or make bark boats out of it to put down a river.

[mild falcon]

bark boats, floating on a stream

and it would seem

[torn bolt]

very funny

[mild falcon]

that theres teeth marks in it

[dusky cradle]

Volfred, while placing a bark boat down the stream: I don't think the system works.

[wind minnow]

Hi! I just picked up Pyre on sale to try out Remote Play with friends tonight, but a warning popped up when I clicked Versus saying that it will contain potential spoiler characters/environments from the campaign. Should I be worried about this and try the campaign for an hour or so beforehand? Thanks!

[onyx forum]

you totally should! pyre has an amazing story

[wind minnow]

Okay, thanks!

[lavish ridge]

it's one of my favorite games because of the story! i definitely recommend playing the campaign first

[wind minnow]

wow this announcer tutorial guy is kind of a twerp huh

[mild falcon]

Get used to him lmao

[dusky cradle]

He'll be around lmao

But

In his weird way

He is likeable.

[wind minnow]

oh whoops
looks like I won't be playing this tonight, I thought it supported more than two players
It's deffo a fun game but I was setting up for a four person thing tonight, can't wait to continue tomorrow though

[stoic junco]

I love how we the community actively try to rationalize and define vague concepts barely (if at all) present in the game's lore. It's a lot of fun to participate and to watch!

[timid silo]

That's the best thing about fandom 😄 and does Pyre ever lend itself to it!

[long holly]

One of my favorite fandoms honestly. Too many likeable characters in the game :)

[lime mural]

Ultimate Marvel-style SGG multiverse visual novel when?

End the game with a concert with all of Darren's and Ashley's characters.

[mild falcon]

Still thinking about if falcon Ron and junction Jan meet

Would they kiss

[lime mural]

Sybil falls in love with Ron, Red is equally relieved and offended.

Everyone falls in love with Ron.

[lavish ridge]

and his 5% discount

[long holly]

I have a Red figurine on my desk here at work. are you suggesting I should get a Ron one, too?

[vestal bluff]

yes

[long holly]

[vestal bluff]

[long holly]

haha

[onyx forum]

i think ron and skelly should bond over their strange accents

[vestal bluff]

👏 Let 👏 them 👏 be 👏 them 👏 selves 👏

[dusky cradle]

👏 Let 👏 Sandra 👏 be 👏 free 👏

If there is a Sandra figure- I'm getting that ASAP.

[long holly]

omfg yes

are you thinking: something orb shaped, or Sandra herself

[onyx forum]

orb necklace....imagine

[long holly]

i feel like sandra is already is grabbing my throat sometimes

[dusky cradle]

Both.

I could use the orb-

Or I could use Sandra herself.

But in the names of Miguel and Tulio:
"Both. Both? Both is good."

[long holly]

<both_is_good.gif>

[dusky cradle]

Both is good.

[onyx forum]

what if something like https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558120740050698240/647249819609595935/snfig.png?width=600&height=600

[dusky cradle]

Once my friend is done with her job, I am comissioning some Sandra/Reader art.

Or just Sandra.

Because there is not enough Sandra stuff.

[onyx forum]

niceee

[long holly]

is that a sandra figure coming out of an orb?

[onyx forum]

yes!

[long holly]

tbh it reminds me of a christmas ornament

[dusky cradle]

I had the same thought too.

Yo imagine that

[long holly]

tis the season

[onyx forum]

pyre tree....

[dusky cradle]

The reader using Sandra as a xmas ornament.

[long holly]

SGG stars are very holiday-like

[dusky cradle]

Or well, the orb.

[long holly]

pyre stars, too

Sandra would be pissed i'd imagine

[dusky cradle]

"Reader- when I asked you to take me with you, I did not mean like this. Put. Me. Down."

[long holly]

knowing she's being used like that

haha

[vestal bluff]

Orb tree-topper would be top tier

[onyx forum]

that sap you spend time with is being uncharacteristically quiet.

reader: no, no, that's a real tree

ooooh ohoho.................8 triums+true nightwings.........hey you can make a menorah out of this

[long holly]

oh dear

[onyx forum]

☎️ hello mr volpin props do i ever have an idea

[long holly]

actually, the holidays always reminds me of Pyre because that's the time of year when i first played it

[onyx forum]

aawww!!

[dusky cradle]

I really, really want to make a deep analysis of Pyre. Like a full-on three hour video-essay. Ala Joseph Anderson.

[long holly]

there's a lot to work off of!

[dusky cradle]

But before I do that I should play this game through another.. three times.

And finally finish up the True Nightwing mode for good.

[long holly]

pyre + holidays https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/525544401619910678/647252085657698305/image0.jpg

i've kept this thing all year heh

[dusky cradle]

But so much is happening so I probably have to push the thought of even writing a script for the analysis, until I get free time in the military.

But I really, really want to do an analysis. Call it a passion project.

[long holly]

do it!

it's such a good game

[dusky cradle]

Also-
That Red figurine is looking real nice. And that card is perfect.

[long holly]

sooo much to talk about

yeah :]

[dusky cradle]

Making a Sandra/Orb figurine would be a real moneyprint.

I would throw cash so fast.

[long holly]

i can imagine her smug face showing the hint that she's pleased with this idea

[dusky cradle]

She almost always has a smug face.

her sass is unrivaled.

[long holly]

even more smug

true this

[dusky cradle]

Now I'm thinking about Sandra the Grinch with that kind of a smug look.

[long holly]

heh

[onyx forum]

the grinch who stole THE READER'S HEART

[dusky cradle]

Too true.

Now waiting for that Pyre dating sim where I can romance Sandra..

..or the Orb.

Both are fine.

[long holly]

i'm legit guilty of drinking extra moonshine in a feeble attempt to get to talk to Pamitha more >.<

[onyx forum]

pam is

[dusky cradle]

Okay, I have to admit to that too.

[long holly]

it's also fun thinking about reader+hedwyn

[dusky cradle]

I did that.

way too much.

[long holly]

;]

[onyx forum]

the more time passes the more i love and appreciate pam

[long holly]

i've learned to really like Tam too

[dusky cradle]

If my reader had a liver- he would've died by the time I liberated Pam from sheer alcohol poisoning.

[long holly]

i like their story

[onyx forum]

yeah

[dusky cradle]

You pinged the wrong me.

[long holly]

@dusky cradle

[dusky cradle]

There we go.

But everyone in this story is so lovable I can't.

[long holly]

tricky. thanks

[dusky cradle]

My poor Finnish heart.

I'm not used to these feelings.

Literally everyone in the Nightwings was so precious.

[long holly]

having crushes on extremely likeable video game characters? :)

it's a thing

[dusky cradle]

Without a doubt.

[onyx forum]

yknow who needs so much love. celeste

[long holly]

ok yeah

[onyx forum]

i care her........

[dusky cradle]

Absolutely.

Without a doubt.

[onyx forum]

shes so lonely!!! i care so much about her!!!!

[vernal harbor]

We unfortunately have not spent much time with Celeste

[long holly]

i like girls who are musicians, like me >.<

[onyx forum]

cuuute

[long holly]

heh

[onyx forum]

get urself a herald gf

[dusky cradle]

Also the person who did the art for Celeste and the character design deserves a big ol' raise.

Like a big, big raise.

[long holly]

Jen Zee !

[onyx forum]

who, jen zee?

[dusky cradle]

A morbidly big raise.

[onyx forum]

i think we should make jen zee the archjustice of the universe

lmao shes actually online rn

[dusky cradle]

If they did Sandra too-

[onyx forum]

i hope shes seeing this

[long holly]

Playing Hades

[dusky cradle]

Then I am absolutely on board.

[long holly]

it's all Jen AFAIK

[dusky cradle]

Yup.

There we go.

[onyx forum]

yeah! all the 2d art was her

joanne's only in hades

[vernal harbor]

One woman art team for 2D...

[dusky cradle]

Absolutely astonishing.

And to do such a fine work, too.

I am in awe.

[onyx forum]

RIGHT??

shes so cool

[long holly]

:)

[dusky cradle]

That is real cool.

If I could curse to emphasise how cool that is, I would.

[onyx forum]

we understand uvu

[long holly]

Are you willing to go to the downside for that

[dusky cradle]

Does it mean I get to spend time with Sandra?

I'd exile myself.

[long holly]

;)

[dusky cradle]

Oh man, not too long and I'll get my hands on Hades on steam.

[onyx forum]

"i can totally read please exile me!!" "you....can?" "yes whatever maybe just put me with sandra"

[dusky cradle]

I should stream my first moments, I am going in completely blind.

[onyx forum]

ooohhhhhh have fun!!

[dusky cradle]

I have kept myself 100% spoiler free.

[onyx forum]

NICE

that takes a lot of self control, good for you

[dusky cradle]

And gameplay free too- only seen a few stills and that's that.

Trying my hardest not to.

That "Hades" section just above looks so, so tasty.

[onyx forum]

hahaha for sure

[dusky cradle]

"Yeah I can read so much I have also printed books."
"Why?"
"Don't ask questions-"
"You know that the punishment is exil-"
"I SAID DONT ASK QUESTIONS AND DO IT."

[long holly]

:o

[dusky cradle]

There has to be stuff written with Reader x Sandra.

Somesort of conversation post-Pyre.

Anything.

[long holly]

i'm positive there is

[onyx forum]

oh im sure!! you should check ao3 sometime, im sure ppl have written fics.

[long holly]

Jodi too

I’m literally wearing my Pyre shirt today ...

[dusky cradle]

If I wasn't so lazy and only have inspiration to write at 4am, I would write too.

But I will have to look into it.

Also, I have had Vagrant Song on repeat for days.
It is so nice, especially now since we got snow here in Finland- really nice mood tune.

[long holly]

Aw nice

[timid silo]

@dusky cradle apparently Sandra/Reader is the third-biggest Pyre ship on AO3, after Volfred/Oralech and Hedwyn/Reader!

[dusky cradle]

And in my humble opinion-

[mild falcon]

people be lovin hedwyn....

[dusky cradle]

The best ship.

I will die on this hill.

[timid silo]

https://archiveofourown.org/works?utf8=✓&commit=Sort+and+Filter&work_search[sort_column]=revised_at&include_work_search[relationship_ids][]=17971467&work_search[other_tag_names]=&work_search[excluded_tag_names]=&work_search[crossover]=&work_search[complete]=&work_search[words_from]=&work_search[words_to]=&work_search[date_from]=&work_search[date_to]=&work_search[query]=&work_search[language_id]=&tag_id=Pyre+(Video+Game) I'm not into reading about blank protagonists myself so I haven't read them but, here!

people sure be lovin hedwyn!! That one surprised me! I'm happy Hedwyn is getting some love! (Hedwyn/Fikani is also listed btw)

[dusky cradle]

Hedwyn is a smile I want to protect.

But Sandra is just someone I need to protect.

[young ledge]

I shipped Jo and hedwyn for the longest time before I understood their mechanic dynamic whatever that word is for how two individuals click.

[mild falcon]

When the first characters you meet are "guy, girl, and dog" it's easy to make assumptions based on previous media you've seen

[young ledge]

It was more her protectiveness of him and his casual issuing of commands

"Alright, Jo, you know what to do"

[dusky cradle]

I found Jo and Hedwyn had a very mutual relationship of respect. Like.. two workers or, long time friends who never had any serious feelings, or if they had- never brought them out.

But Jodariel has this aura of respect and pressure about her. But perhaps she wasn't always like that.

[mild falcon]

The scene where I understood jodi was the one where she asks if she's scary

Broke my heart

[onyx forum]

jodi is his mom and i love that about the two of them :''))

[dusky cradle]

Also Hedwyn fell in love with a Harp, right?

[onyx forum]

yess! fikani!

[dusky cradle]

That is some romeo and Juliet stuff right there. Forbidden love. God this game is a gift that keeps on giving, I keep imagining scenarios about this game constantly. All the time.

Hedwyn and Fikani would be such a cute pair. I can imagine Fikani just covering Hedwyn with her wings while talking super sweet to him.

My headcanon is that Harps are lowkey all super wholesome.

[wide river]

yeets myself directly into the channel YES HELLO DID SOMEONE MENTION HEDWYN LOVING HOURS

[onyx forum]

🕥

[wide river]

hedwyn loving hours are all hours becase i am always love the boy

[dusky cradle]

It's always love Hedwyn hours.

But it's always love Orb Wife Hours, too.

Never neglect Sandra.

[young ledge]

Hedwyn was the first I sent back

Even if it pissed him off

In part because I figured he'd get Volfred's plan rolling nice and early, but also because I wanted him to have as much time as possible with bird-lady before then 😉

[dusky cradle]

I did the same most did, Jodi first.

[lavish panther]

oh my god im mid game i still havent sent heddy back

he's,,,, too nice and cool

im selfish

too P r e t t y

[dusky cradle]

I feel that too much.

I AVOIDED SENDING HIM BACK.

I ADMIT.

[lavish panther]

u get it 🤧

[timid silo]

Who have you sent so far? 🙂

[lavish panther]

Oh I sent rukey first bc I love him but his mom misses him 🤧 & then jodi iirc?

I’m not very far I was planning to send Rae next

I’m sending them back based on character story not gameplay so I’m really pranking myself tbh

[timid silo]

Rukey first is starting to look like a chess opening 😂 I think I did the same the first time, Rukey-Jodi-ae!

[lavish panther]

I loved rukey but he also like, he was too good for the caravan

I wanted him to go home and get some rest

[wide river]

i sent hedwyn home second-to-last and felt so bad about it that i wrote a fic about it lmao

[long holly]

in my first playthrough i sent Hedwyn back at the first liberation rite. this game is brutal and awesome when it comes to the decisions you have to make

[vestal bluff]

In my first-ever Liberation Rite, I sent home Jodi, 'cause she'd been there the longest

(and I also agreed with Sandra that she was kinda slow during the Rites, so... that too)

[long holly]

heh

[dusky cradle]

Later I would miss Jodi in a gameplay sense, due to her large aura being so useful.

[long holly]

ti'zo's got hella presence too, for his little size

[timid silo]

I love how that can be seen as a bit of characterization too

[long holly]

yeah! lots of little details that make this game great rather than merely good

[dusky cradle]

But while Ti'zo had a lot of presence, I um..

I had liberated him too.

[long holly]

aw heh

[vernal harbor]

liberation is for the best, isn't it?

more fresh food, less silt porridge

[dusky cradle]

But

Less of my favourite crew.

[mild falcon]

Question of the evening... if oralech fell off again and got a 3rd set of horns, where would they go

[long holly]

Sprouting upwards like antennae

Coming out of his back like a stegosaurus

Or porcupine or whatever

[vernal harbor]

middle of the head like a unicorn, but splits into two?

[mild falcon]

oh thats real sick

[long holly]

Oh dang

[lime mural]

Finally got all achievements in pyre

[young folio]

yayy congratz 🎉

[lime mural]

Took me a while tbh

i think the hardest one was the ai with all the stuff put onto them

[young folio]

i heard you could cheese that one, but i THINK i did that one before i knew of that.... it was a bit of a challenge but i think i did it pre-pam talisman nerf so she was super op

i actually found pyre the easiest game out of the three to 100% i think, transistor limiters gave me quite a bit of trouble, and im just... not very good at bastion at all LOL

looking forward to see what the hades achievements are 👀

[heavy hill]

Scribe's Champion I accidentally completed on the no-show rite

[young folio]

.....actually i might have done that now that you mention it

[lime mural]

Wooow.

Anyone got any 🧀 in here?

[young folio]

but im talking about the vs mode one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odrRVtBL2bg&feature=emb_title

this person did videos on these back then haha

[lime mural]

I've always wanted to do informational videos like this, and then I realize aaall the editing and work involved and just went back to no-lifing my various games

[lime mural]

Does steam remote play work for pyre?

cause id wanna like finally 1v1 someone

I've heard it's not bad.

id wanna 1v1 someone

like

for fun

Finnally have a pvp mode for pyre

[vestal bluff]

Join Rite Club

Check the pins

It's a little league we wanted to run back when the Parsec software was the best we had

But there are definitely folks (myself included!) love to 1v1 people

[lime mural]

oh heck yeah

[vestal bluff]

Now, I myself haven't done Remote Play yet

[lime mural]

neither have i

[vestal bluff]

Parsec has worked for us so far

But yeah, later in the day I'd be down to run some matches with you!

[lime mural]

ping me when you feel like it

to run some matches

as for now im going to do master rank 5 against the ai with 1 pyre health with theirs being 250

[vestal bluff]

do all titan stars

[lime mural]

yes

all of them too

[vestal bluff]

👌

[lime mural]

its been like 0 games ive won

[vestal bluff]

[lime mural]

I have 1 pyre health

its like 1 mistake then i lose

[mild falcon]

just dont make any mistakes

[lime mural]

yes

great idea

I'll just turn off the ai

😉

tbh the ai does some nasty tricks

[vestal bluff]

they're clever

[mild falcon]

learn from them

[vestal bluff]

But they rely a bit too much on the "give your opponent the orb and then cast your aura at them" trick

They get sorta predictable

True for any AI, I suppose, but you learn the tricks over time

[dusky cradle]

Okay so, I comissioned that Sandra half body piece from my friend, I'll be sure to post it once she gets it done!

[dusky cradle]

What Dialogue really hit you guys in Pyre? Like- what quote from whom?

[timid silo]

Generally speaking, the way it consistently stays both solemn and heartfelt is amazing for me. It's a tone that's hard to find played straight, let alone convincingly, for me.

Specifically, (gestures at Volfred). More specifically, his freedom speech. And the Reader's big speech! I wish several of its possible endings were widely understood references because they've really stuck with me

[young ledge]

I suppose when Volfred ||Speaks to you in English for the first time||. It was haunting.

[dusky cradle]

Okay, I agree with Volfred speaking English for the first time was touching.

But to me, you already know what it is:

When Sandra asks you to take her with you. Or when you stay with her in the Orb for a moment and she says "Thank you."

[onyx forum]

-celeste and tariq talking at the last rite crush me 😭
-"And in the darkness, for once, she does not feel alone"
-"mere distance cannot separate our spirits" and "the stars have not vanished, they have joined us"
-"aye, in a manner of speaking. he gave me a sense of purpose i thought lost" ITS SO SWEET, ALWAYSSS
-jodi hugging ae ;;;;;;

[dusky cradle]

Okay Celeste and Tariq is super heartwarming.

But Sandra though-
"Now let us go. From this place."

[timid silo]

In a manner of speaking, Tariq!! (Hedwyn looks at the Reader like he's on the office)

[young ledge]

You call her Ae?

I kind of assumed she was "the moontouched girl" when spoken out of the context of an individual playthrough

[onyx forum]

she has many naemes

i call her ae bc its short and quick to type and doesnt require picking a prefix!

[young ledge]

I suppose

I called her Gae (don't give me that look) in all honesty because I was curious if the game would berate me for it. Kinda grew on me after a while, oddly enough.

Fits her chipper personna well enough

[onyx forum]

ive called her gae too in one playthrough!! its cute

[young ledge]

Oh, did I do something wrong? I let her crush go because I intended to release them both and she got really depressed

I felt so bad I save-scummed

"No one wanted this"

[onyx forum]

aaaawwww!! yeah, i find it so interesting the way characters connect to each other

on later playthroughs, it feels like playing a rubik's cube to plan who i want up/down

i dont think you did anything wrong, the game just asks you to make tough choices sometimes ;;

one time i let tizo go first to plan for a tizo+volfred+oralech topside, and tizo ||got so depressed up there, and tariq got all sad too||, and i was like nooooo trust me i have a plan!!!!

[timid silo]

Planning is contagious!

[onyx forum]

i have a disease called thinking about plans too much, and its called being a genius

[dusky cradle]

It's called being the Great Mastermind

[onyx forum]

🎤 volfred saaaaaandaaaaaalwooooood

[dusky cradle]

Saw his plans turn to action- he stayed true 'till the end.

Discord sings: Bound Together when?

[young ledge]

I'd be down, but I can only sing in Korb's range.

[dusky cradle]

I meant more like through chat but

[young ledge]

Oh. Better at singing IRL than typing. Dyselxic, also keyboards aren't really made for these hands anyway.

Also, Pyre is the main reason I'm saving for a mandolin.

[mortal hemlock]

kam im going to copy paste that into a stickynote and save it to quote latter

for when my friends make fun of me for being indecisive

[onyx forum]

youve got volfred vouching for you now, you cant go wrong

[young ledge]

Oh yeah. Vagrant Song is surprisingly fun to sing for being such a moody song

[lime mural]

ah yes depression song

[young folio]

ok there we are

[lime mural]

the achivments just took

alot of work

it was like do a then b

and in the campaign

[young folio]

i personally used my TN playthrough as my excuse to do my fail-all-rites playthrough, which was fun

[lime mural]

i never did a fail-all-rites

but what happens?

[quartz cloak]

i didnt achieve the full thing XD
I just went on easy and normal
But the problem was, I didn't know how to look at opponent info, so that didnt hel[

[young folio]

well, you still get to the liberation rites. but i failed those too

you get a bad ending

volfred actually calls you out on it and asks you if youre even trying

[mild falcon]

volfred rude

[lime mural]

volfred a tree

[quartz cloak]

lol

[young folio]

its not rude! i was not trying. lol. hes right. poor nightwings

i went out of my way to lose, i planned carefully to not even get that no-show right since its a technical win

[mild falcon]

what do you have to do to avoid that, again?

[young folio]

not fight anyone more than 3 times, iirc

but its been a while since i played

[lime mural]

ive been trying the steam remote play

and it works great

(if only the game had an actual pvp mode)

[quartz cloak]

I used ps4

[lime mural]

Gonna bring my PC over to my best friend's house one day and make him play all my games.

haha

i wonder how they will do?

what difficulty?

cause transistor is forced ng+

and pyre lets you choose same with bastion

and pyre can reck someone who doesnt know what they are doing

[mild falcon]

you can go into settings -> profiles and start a new game from scratch in transistor

[lime mural]

oh

but your previous game D:

[mild falcon]

there's 5 save slots

[lime mural]

oh

i had no clue

Eh. I probably won't play Transistor again except to show other people.

Have you 100%ed all the games?

No.

The only game I've ever played to 100% completion is Armored Core 4.

But as for Pyre, all SGG games, he's gonna eat them up because they're so visually and musically peerless.

[young folio]

i have 100 hours on transistor but pyre was probably the game with the most actual replay value before hades came out 🤔 theres an absurd amount of content to see in it

[lime mural]

pyre looks absolutely stunning

but bastion has grown well

aged*

[young folio]

ive played it like, 4 times and i dont think ive seen everything?

[lime mural]

oh?

[young folio]

theres just a lot of small events and variations

you never know

and most people will only play it once

[lime mural]

yeah

i mean 3.6 have replayed transistor

[young folio]

its just amazing how much of a different experience two people can have playing the same game, when you think about it

[lime mural]

yeah

i mean its how people perceive that game

[young folio]

but also like, for example, some people will never face the essence in a liberation rite, and for me that moment was one of the best in the game when i first played

i just. love this game

[lime mural]

why is that?

[young folio]

when pam asked me to let tamitha win i ended up throwing the rite for her bc it like... got to me lol

but maybe some people will never see that, or maybe people dont feel the same, theres lots of different experiences you can get out of the same moment

[lime mural]

I, uh, did not.

[young folio]

haha see

[lime mural]

well pyre is practically theo nly game like that

and hades

transistor and bastion not so much

[young folio]

yeah i watched one of my favorite streamers play this moment and he was like "what, no, i wanna win!" and he did. i just got very attached to the characters

[lime mural]

I 100% freed Pam and in my mind stared at Tamitha and thought "You could be free too if you weren't a xenophobic warmonger."

It shocked me how venomous Tamitha was.

[young folio]

the nightwings everyone sends up are different, their reasons for doing it are different, etc

[lime mural]

yeah

[young folio]

in conclusion: pyre good

[lime mural]

all their games are good

Falcon Ron is a gift to us every day.

[mild falcon]

there's an argument to free everyone eligible for liberation

even udmildhe, if you look how she ends up when she's free

she kinda just ||gets bored of yslach and gets lost||

or thats my hc anyway

[lime mural]

Not Manley.

Not Tamitha, or Lendel.

[mild falcon]

not tamitha? i said there's an argument, not necessarily a good one

[lime mural]

She plotted to reignite (or violently end) a war that was being defused.

She tries to do just that again if you free her.

I get where Alma's coming from, Pamitha's request is powerful, but Tamitha is a war criminal.

[mild falcon]

was that war being defused?

[lime mural]

Commonwealth vs Highwing Remnant.

[mild falcon]

its not really a defusal if one side loses

[lime mural]

That's true.

The war was winding down, and freeing Tamitha means a whole lot more people will probably die.

I'll be the jerk if it means innocent people live.

[mild falcon]

well, what do you think the commonwealth would do to the harps once they win

[lime mural]

Freeing Pamitha increases the chance for a bloodless revolution.

[mild falcon]

well, yeah

[lime mural]

I admit I attached myself very firmly to the Plan.

[mild falcon]

the game justifies the plan a lot

im just saying that, outside of all the context, making the war keep going is probably better than letting the commonwealth take control of the remnants

[lime mural]

. . .

Why on earth would you ever make an intentionally ill-informed decision? You know that Tamitha would wreck the Plan, and that the Plan is the best bet for the Commonwealth.

[mild falcon]

in retrospect, the plan does work nicely, but there's no way to tell that in advance

tamitha plans to destroy the commonwealth, so does volfred

[lime mural]

You're stripping incredibly vital nuance out of the situation, and if you keep it up I'm gonna log off for the night.

So just, lemme know now.

i never let volfred go

i just didnt trust him

[mild falcon]

i mean, whatever, if we're not gonna go anywhere in this conversation

[jovial cairn]

I just dredged up an old site I made to display all the Pyre versus mode characters and their stats
It uses a bunch of ripped art assets though - Worth trying to make it available publicly, or will it get taken down?

[vestal bluff]

Who’s gonna take it down? I don’t think Supergiant would do that, the wikis for the games have used assets before without a problem

[dusky cradle]

Okay I still get emotional after replaying this game.

This is like my third time.

And Sandra still pulling my heartstrings.

[faint crown]

I can't replay the game at all. It's too damn sad to let go of people.

[dusky cradle]

It is.

[long holly]

definitely some of the most difficult challenges that have ever been put forward to me as a player of video games, have come from Pyre

and it gives you a whole new perspective on what it means to 'win' or 'lose'

[mild falcon]

Pyre is the dark souls of basketball visual novel games

[long holly]

'wizard basketball with reading' as darren put it once

who would have thought that would turn into an emotional and gutwrenching gaming experience

[lavish ridge]

fantasy nba jam

[long holly]

when i hear 'basketball' and 'jam' together i immediately think of Space Jam >.<

that was .. a movie

and i just had the rather blasphemous idea of Pyre but with Looney Tunes characters

[deep urchin]

chewing noises nyeeeee, what’s up Reader?

[long holly]

you forget to take the left turn at albuquerque and end up in the downside

[stray jolt]

did someone say space jam

https://soundcloud.com/almightyjanitor/knights-of-the-jam

[long holly]

oh my dear what

[lime mural]

nope

nope

nope

[vestal bluff]

Yeeeeees

Get the other one too

https://soundcloud.com/k3lp/not-earrape-every-never-to-return-at-once

[lime mural]

oh no stop this

please

[long holly]

do i dare

[vestal bluff]

It’s worth it

[stray jolt]

is the unused beta version in this too

[vestal bluff]

No, it’s not

That would’ve been pretty cool tho

[long holly]

people are so creative

woah this is rather trippy

[vestal bluff]

yeah this whole Soundcloud is full of this stuff

[long holly]

i'm on soundcloud... does that mean i have to make a silly Pyre remix song now

[vestal bluff]

yes

[long holly]

o_O

[onyx forum]

yes

[long holly]

welp the votes are in

[lime mural]

for

?

[long holly]

i gotta make a silly Pyre remix song now

by popular demand

[timid silo]

Please do!

[vestal bluff]

So, I happen to know that @long holly is, like, an actual real musician, so if she ends up doing this, I reckon we're in for a proper jam

[long holly]

:P

i don't usually make silly music but let's see what i can do, when i get home from work

[junior geyser]

old memes time https://66.media.tumblr.com/f7994a1b56d5664050ff6b430c9c23af/tumblr_p7jzn0G3lf1s3ts9po1_540.jpg

[onyx forum]

reads this in aj voice

[junior geyser]

HGFLKHGKFLG

[aj voice] rrrreader. you are cancelled.

[onyx forum]

[aj voice] OH PEE LITCHRALLY GOT
eeeeEEEEeeeexiled
TO BASKETBAAALL PURRRGATORY
by the government....
for being ABLE to RRRRRREAD.

but go off i guess

[junior geyser]

DFHKLGHFGKLF

[lime mural]

i can hear that

[onyx forum]

good

[lime mural]

Im pretty sure

it is legit impossible

to win against max level ai you dont choose what they are, 4 masteries, 200 hp on their pyre, 10 on yours (itll be 1 with the titan stars activated)

any map

Prove me wrong

[heavy hill]

all titan stars enabled?

[vestal bluff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/478711601248075777/648708688671932436/Justice_105e.wav

[heavy hill]

or is there a specific setup for that

[lime mural]

all titan stars

every single one

[vestal bluff]

• max level ai
• you dont choose what they are
• 4 masteries
• 200 hp on their pyre
• 10 on yours (itll be 1 with the titan stars activated)
Do I get to choose what I am?

'cause if so, then I can do it

[lime mural]

yes

[heavy hill]

part of me is tempted to try thi

[lime mural]

you can

choose who your team is

not theirs tho

[vestal bluff]

yeah

[heavy hill]

but I am nowhere near as skilled as Failer so I'll let them handle that

[mild falcon]

what build would you pick

[lime mural]

i wanna see this and know how many tries

record it

[mild falcon]

thats what im curious about

[vestal bluff]

It depends on their build

AIs are terrible with Saps and Wyrms

[mild falcon]

oh yeah i guess there's counterpicking involved

[vestal bluff]

AIs with all Titans are quite strong with Nomads, Harps, and Crones

Nah, no counterpicking

Just observations

[mild falcon]

do they usually build a team to their strengths, or pick randomly?

[vestal bluff]

If I end up facing off against Manley, Volfred, and Gilman, then I could win without getting hit once

There are certain 'positions' characters play

You want 2 on offense, with at least 1 who can throw-score consistently, and 1 on defense

Throw-scorers include Curs, Savages w/ Quick Fling, and Wyrms (even though they don't play like it)

You'll almost always jump-score with Harps and Crones

Imps and Demons are excellent on defense

the quickness of their sprint move catches opponents by surprise

With all Titans on though, you don't want to do the Demon thing where you just chain though all your opponents with Relentless Vigour

Ya gotta resist the temptation to try to go on the offense

Saps are OK on defense only because they can screw with the AI a bit

only now I realize you said "they" ...meaning the AIs... and not how I pick a team

yeah they pick randomly

[long holly]

You’re next level

[vestal bluff]

maybe at Reading, but not at reading

[torn bolt]

failer, if you pull this one off you should absolutely record it

[long holly]

He does all titan stars all the time

[vestal bluff]

Well, just 'cause it's possible doesn't mean I'm gonna actually do it

[torn bolt]

oh i know, he's also whupped my ass in rites club

aww, fair tho

[vestal bluff]

It's a "never tell me the odds" kinda situation

[long holly]

Rite Club!

[vestal bluff]

🙌

Speakin of which, from my experience recently, I've learned that Steam Remote Play is about as good as Parsec. Maybe a little worse, but it's hard to notice
Latency isn't bad, and is pretty consistent, but slightly higher than where Parsec is, given a strong network
I'd say it's a suitable replacement, and since it's Steam, so many people have 'built in' to their systems already

[torn bolt]

yeah, i never did manage to get parsec hosting to work on my computer, so that's good news

when i tried playing pyre vs mode with someone over remote play beta it didn't work either, to be fair

[vestal bluff]

hmm

this can help
https://www.speedtest.net/

So, if we assume the Parsec and Steam technologies have about the same req's, you ought to have your internet download speed above 10Mbps (and not using a Mesh Wi-Fi or Ethernet-thru-powerline system) for best results

[mild falcon]

do speedtest.net but set the test server to one that's close to your opponent

[torn bolt]

oh hm

let my try that, i was going to say my internet speed was fine

[vestal bluff]

If you're trying to be the host, then you should have ~10Mbps upload speed for it to be comfortable

[torn bolt]

no, that's also fine. huh

[vestal bluff]

[torn bolt]

neither of them would register the other person's controller input but we troubleshot that one too

i'm just supremely unlucky w technology tbh

[vestal bluff]

Hang on, how did you troubleshoot?

with this?: https://support.parsecgaming.com/hc/en-us/articles/360015190691-Controller-Drivers

'cause this is a step that folks'll commonly forget

or not realize they need to do in the first place

But the Steam way doesn't require this, so that's one fewer barrier to entry

[torn bolt]

yeah, with those

yeah, hopefully the full release of play together will work better?

[vestal bluff]

Play Together is indeed out of beta!

https://store.steampowered.com/remoteplay/

[lime mural]

Ok well it is possible to do all my things

🙂

challenges*

[vestal bluff]

I would've recorded myself doing it, but I only got 8 seconds of blank screen...

[lime mural]

heh

i mean it hard

make it an achievement

[rugged field]

Is pyre coming to switch also?

[lavish ridge]

afaik there are no plans at the moment since the team's focus is on hades, but maybe some day!