ain't that the mood
#pyre
civic birch
mild falcon
if i release it as i write it I might be more motivated to finish it.. i guess thats the appeal of fanfic
it WILL include my personal ron fanon
it WILL be political
civic birch
PLEASE DO
mild falcon
i promise, for whatever that's worth
lime mural
Any mods that let you pet the cur in Pyre?
onyx forum
hgkjkgkgk
mild falcon
The nasty smells and textures of the pit of milithe may surprise most people, but among crones the experience is bog-standard
civic birch
HEEEEEEEEE
heady karma
Can we get some moor swamp puns?
static parrot
What's a Crone's favorite month? MARSH!
spark cloud
Oh for peat's sake
heady karma
Stop bogging down the flow of conversation
tough hinge
Two moss puns? Y'all are Yslaching
heady karma
we definitely hit critical moss
onyx forum
moss.jpeg
pliant sigil
mind-boggling conversation right there
swift mango
"ok the scope of this idea in my head has increased hugely, so either it'll be a masterpiece or you'll never hear of it again". I FEEL /EXACTLY/ THE SAME with a fanfic I'm writing--about Transistor, actually! 😄
It's, like...so hard to gather up all the ideas you have and actually see them through to completion. My story originally started 2 years ago, so it's kind of hard to continue because I've been away from it, you know?
mild falcon
There's no shame in dropping a project tbh, you don't owe it to anyone to finish your personal projects
That said, I know how I'm starting this story, at least, and I'll get an ao3 invite on the 16th
young fjord
Ah! I'm so happy, the channel I mod for has finally gotten back to playing Pyre 
There's a link in self promotion if anyone is craving some Pyre streaming
civic birch
do we know how long ago the literacy ban was instated? like, in a range?
mild falcon
i mean, we wrote it down, but...
vestal bluff
It's mentioned that one of the Archjustice Androbeleses instituted it
I'm not certain if they gave the year
Sparrow might be able to find it
civic birch
I believe it was IV (or VI?)
and we're currently on IX
but that does raise the question of whether there are Archjustices of other names in between, like Popes.
torn bolt
it was iv, and it was 617 a.s.
and yeah i figure they cycle between them like pope names
and you get a new name when you become archjustice
civic birch
yeah presumably brighton didn't start out Brighton Androbeles
that'd be awfully convenient
torn bolt
especially considering you're possibly/probably? a liberated exile and you're given a new identity anyway when you're lib'd
iirc
mild falcon
i always got a very popey vibe off of it
spiral osprey
@civic birch 200-some-odd years before the game events
civic birch
👍
mild falcon
do any of the wikis have the faceless opponents' names
the characters in the triumverates that don't have art
mild falcon
Instead of adding new characters I'll just give these ones more weight
wide river
@mild falcon
note that vispa/vispaleth and darben/darbenfor in the accusers, given the similarities in names, are perhaps meant to be the same characters, just demonified
blissful trench
Love all the wyrm names 🌊
heady karma
midnight hawk
fae!!!
mild falcon
Neat thanks!!
faint umbra
She's called Fae and I'll battle you in the Rites for this.
torn bolt
no, if you didn't name her chae, you're objectively incorrect
young folio
zhae
vestal bluff
Team Shae 4 lyfe
pliant sigil
i named mine fae
mild falcon
nae 🐴
pliant sigil
-ae im walkin 'ere
thick carbon
Fae or die is my motto
blissful trench
a mysterious changeling child shows up on my doorstep? Gotta be a Fae
(there's no fairy emote?!)
civic birch
Mae is my personal choice but I respect yez
vale oxide
The only considerable names are Shae
this is Xae erasure
in any case can we take a moment to appreciate that Brighton never has any venom in his voice announcing her name late in the game
like he's either angry or exasperated at having to call everyone else on the Nightwings but he holds no such disdain for Xae
stray jolt
rhae because r rolling
midnight hawk
it's because the moontouched girl has done nothing wrong in her entire life and aj knows this
civic birch
"You must cherish the moontouched girl" -- book of rites chapter 1
torn bolt
chae has infinite worth in the eyes of the eight scribes
her glory stat is a nerf for the rites
hollow steppe
I named her Fae because i think it's a pretty name c:
upbeat sage
I named her Fae because Fae is Bae 
hollow steppe
There are 3 types of people: people who name her something because it's fitting, people who name her Bae because of the meme, and people who name her Gae because of the meme
It is amusing to me to hear the announcer shout "GAY" every time i chose her, but i wanted to name her something that i thought was more fitting c:
lunar flame
I chose Fae too haha
young fjord
Xae for life
gentle otter
mae the moon-touched represent
civic birch
Ayyy 👋
midnight hawk
i did gae my 3rd route specifically for aj yelling GAY
civic birch
hehehehee
faint umbra
Fae is the only one where her nickname can both be bad and a compliment. I chose to turn this nickname upside down.
stoic junco
Fae forever!
civic birch
Which epithet goes with "Fae"?
pliant sigil
fair iirc
faint umbra
They used it to make fun of her complexion, but all they did was call her a beautiful lady 
wide river
Bae the Bloodless, Chae the Changeling, Dae the Dense, Fae the Fair, Gae the Gray, Kae the Unkempt, Lae the Lonely, Mae the Moon-touched, Nae the Nuisance, Rhae the Wretched, Shae the Shoddy, Tae the Tattle, Xae the Poxy, Zhae the Zealous
onyx forum
;0;
bae the BEAUTIFUL chae the CHARMING dae the DELICIOUS fae the FANTASTIC gae the GAY kae the KREATIVE lae the LOVELY mae the MOONTOUCHED BUT WE MEAN IT AS A POSITIVE nae the NICE rhae the RESPLENDANT shae the SHINING tae the TERRIFIC xae the XYLOPHONE zhae the ZINCREDIBLE
so jot that down.
pliant sigil
xae the xylophone
onyx forum
okay okay xae the xenial,
pliant sigil
"oh the scribes, i think, i think they want to tell me something" (ting)
onyx forum
HFKCKF THE SCRIBES...THEYRE PLAYING MUSIC
celeste, grumbling: cant let us have anything to ourselves huh
pliant sigil
xae joining the bards during a liberation rite: wait for meeeee (starts making xylophone noises)
celeste: ....how is she doing that
onyx forum
tariq smiles like a proud father hfhjfhj
all of xae's various names but theyre the snow scout pledge from asoue. ae is accomodating, basic, calm, darling, emblematic, frisky, grinning, human, innocent, jumping, kept, limited, meek, nap-loving, official, pretty, quarantined, recent, scheduled, tidy, understandable, victorious, wholesome, xylophone, young, and zippered–every morning, every afternoon, every night, and all day long!
leaden solstice
onyx forum
pae the poetic
civic birch
This is So Much
civic birch
mae is real cute
placid cosmos
pyre was so good ugh 
the worst part abt it is i can’t play it for the first time again
civic birch
hhh i've been writing my Reader's conversation with Jodi when they've decided to liberate her and i'm. 😭 ,
best/worst part of the game imo
onyx forum
😭 !!!!!!
civic birch
oogh I ... can't do it
placid cosmos
i wish i could have gotten to known her better tho
civic birch
esp after that conversation with Pamitha
placid cosmos
i’ve only played once bc i don’t have the attention span for another play through :(
civic birch
:(
placid cosmos
which conversation with pamitha?
civic birch
oh i forget that's not necessarily in everyone's game
there's one you can get with jodi & pam on the way up Mt. Alodiel, where Pamitha is like. just rips into jodariel
young fjord
Jodi and Pamitha were so good
civic birch
"oh, we all know you'll be anointed first :) isn't it obvious? you're old and slow, and everyone pities you"
civic birch
YEAHHHHHHH
i just. i can't do that to jodi
& i don't think she'd want to be sent home with Her Kids still downstairs
onyx forum
WHAT I NEVER SAW THAT ONE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 
onyx forum
HHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
placid cosmos
i love u pamitha but oh man
placid cosmos
things i don’t regret: leaving sir gilman in the downside
young fjord
I loved Pamitha, even if she wasn't a Nice Person
placid cosmos
pamitha was pretty and that’s all my gay butt needed to like her
she’s pretty and could beat me up
civic birch
pamitha "just so you know, 'if' :) our Reader chooses you ... I truly wish you luck :) so you'll be free of me, and i'll be free of your horrible attitude"
like jesuss christ
onyx forum
pam is so complex and deeply knotted up inside and i 😭 for her. also shes pretty and im gay
placid cosmos
me
civic birch
yeah same kam!!
onyx forum
when you liberate pam and she goes 'genuinely i intended to not live this long so idk what to do now' IM 
!!!!!!!!!!
placid cosmos
i’d date pamitha but ,,, sandra is my homegirl
SANDRA...
civic birch
sandra good ... i love orb wife
placid cosmos
the moment i saw on tumblr that sandra’s orb was in hades i bought the game 
onyx forum
hhhhhhhhhfffff sandra rolling down to the underworld with nobody left for her
civic birch
😭 don't do this to me
onyx forum
the reader has gone to better places, sandra cannot reach those stars. she may as well be dead, and settle into any afterlife she can.
placid cosmos
hey kam
placid cosmos
why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?
onyx forum
hfjfhjfj thank u....because i have hands and a keyboard uou
placid cosmos
this hurts
my reader can never die
they’re currently in the underworld searching for sandra
they just don’t know that she’s in the princes room
onyx forum
zag, with all the tact of a wrecking ball: have you been in love?
sandra: shut up, boy.
zag: you wanna...tell me about them?
sandra: they are not among your shades, i am sure. i, and those lost to me, are from somewhere else.
zag: well no i meant.......if you want. to just, talk.
sandra: don't make me laugh.
she shoves her ghostly projection back into the orb.
onyx forum
YEAH!!!
civic birch
honestly i took the opposite tack to "reader cannot die" which is ... reader figures out how to free sandra so she can pass on with them when the time comes
she deserves ... peace
wide river
OOF i just found that text for the jodi/pam convo
placid cosmos
I LIKE THAT
civic birch
reader, regarding sandra's orb with a hammer: fuck the Scribes, actually,
onyx forum
JHFGFHJKGHKGJKGJK
no no you gotta put the orb in warm water and she hatches
like a dinosaur shaped sponge in a lil capsule
wide river
+ You join Pamitha on her brief expedition to find anything of value dropped by those who tried to scale the mountain but did not succeed.
Jodariel: “Wait. I shall be joining you.”
Pamitha: “What, now, I get two chaperones? But, sure, I'm game, whatever you wingless are into.”
Jodariel: “Be silent, little bird, and fetch those trinkets and be done.”
Pamitha: “My, so full of bitterness! You really ought to make the most of these last, precious moments that we share.”
Jodariel: “And you ought not to mince your words.”
Pamitha: “Oh, please. We all know you're going to be the first one out of here. So why not quit your constant frowning, for a change?”
Jodariel: “I, the first one out of here?!”
Pamitha: “Of course! It's plain the others pity you. You've been here longer than the rest of us, by far! Besides maybe that Volfred, though he seems plenty happy here, making his speeches.”
Jodariel: “How dare you... how dare you to presume. Nothing is decided as of yet.”
Pamitha: “Oh, no doubt, no doubt! Though, if by some coincidence you do end up selected for the honor, I just want you to know something.”
Pamitha: “I truly from the bottom of my heart do hope we shall prevail on your behalf.”
Pamitha: “Because, that way, you shall be free! Of me at least! And I, in turn, shan't have to suffer any longer your hideous attitude, toward me and everything.”
+ At that, you intervene. Jodariel's eyes burn with fury. But then, she calms herself.
Jodariel: “...I shall see you at the wagon, Reader.”
+ Pamitha scoffs as Jodariel storms off.
Pamitha: “...I swear, that one. Well, moving on! There's something sparkling down there. Be right back.”
+ She swoops out of sight, leaving you alone there on the mountain.
+ Pamitha soon returns with something that lay long-forgotten in the rocks below.
blissful trench
WHat the hell PAM??!
wide river
i've never gotten that conversation before
mild falcon
ok but what if zag in desperation asks sandra how to leave, and she starts explaining the rites
he lights a fire and tries to cast some auras around it
onyx forum
"when the stars align, as they say" "what are stars" "nevermind"
civic birch
HFJSU DDT BDHD
pliant sigil
sandra: wait where am i
zag: the underworld
sandra: oh, you mean the downside, right
zag: uh i guess? thats one way to put it
sandra: oof
faint umbra
Sandra: why is this guy singing about you getting eaten by the Titans? They've been dead for ages.
thick carbon
Zag Achilles and Cerb triumvirate being trained by Sandra...
young fjord
There's only one true Triumvirate in the Underworld... Meg, Alecto and Tissy 
dusk current
Would Cerberus........ be his own? 
young fjord
Caitlin with the hottest take
onyx forum
I THINK DOGDOGDOGS SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONDUCT RITES
wide river
play fetch with the celestial orb
young fjord
Cerberus never dunks on the enemy's Pyre, though, He just hogs the orb and won't drop it. He cannot be banished
mild falcon
im totally willing to buy that cerberus is literate
thick carbon
Cerbs presence starts at 99
fluid flax
"Who then shall conduct the rights?"
...
...
...
"Reader... I have tolerated many things from you, but having three heads of the same beast as your whole triumvirate!?"
vernal harbor
as long as there are three masks in the game right
civic birch
3 cur masks should be doable
young fjord
Curberus
fluid flax
If one head has the orb, do the other two get to keep their auras?
young fjord
That's part of why he can never be banished
civic birch
Concept: molten milithe jerry-rigged an enchantment into the blackwagons by which, no matter the roster, the correct masks to field a triumvirate will be theres
mild falcon
...but ron entered the blackwagon at some point
fluid flax
What is Ron?
fluid flax
Hmmm. That'd make sense
mild falcon
common theory is that it's a race that exists only in downside
cool 🆒 theory is that "falcon" ron is actually the harp prince in disguise
young fjord
Isn't it mentioned explicitly somewhere in the lore?
fluid flax
I don't think we really saw anybody else who didn't have a mask type, right?
civic birch
ron and ron's dad, but i believe he's described as (& there are mentioned to be) "denizens of the downside" besides Imps
mild falcon
aren't we all denizens of the place we're in
civic birch
i mean
fluid flax
That is... Accurate, I suppose
civic birch
people (besides imps) native to the Downside
there are a lot of things in pyre that like. are never really addressed in the game but I really wish they were because they imply So Much about the setting
mild falcon
there's a lot of descriptions of settings that imply or state non-rite inhabitants of the downside
civic birch
like the idea of there being any sort of sapient society in the Downside, which is now being used as a catch-all garbage dump for anyone who pissed off the Commonwealth?
fluid flax
Kinda funny that in a game with that much lore packed in (Via the book) has so many questions left unanswered
mild falcon
(like australia)
civic birch
just getting the refuse of a socie -- AUSTRALIA, YEAH,
mild falcon
falcon ron is equiv to a talking kangaroo
civic birch
i mean
there were like. people. in australia. when europe started shipping its criminals there
mild falcon
yeah thats true, there's probably weird implications to real life comparisons
but that's the case with "race" systems in fantasy systems all over
civic birch
yeah, they get real weird real fast, because I don't think the devs were thinking about the implications of "the Downside has people indigenous to it living there already"
i don't ... think imps are? slaves?
mild falcon
could the scribes be considered colonizers?
civic birch
i think they're like. working dogs. companions, symbiotes, cohabitants with jobs
mild falcon
the land itself resists colony, what with the wildlife and the evil plants
civic birch
it's a mutually beneficial relationship
mild falcon
if an imp can be a scribe, then it's weird to segregate them the way we dont with harps or demons
kinda like the awful idea of "house elves" in hp
lime mural
It was sorta implied that Tizo is an especially intelligent Imp, but there are tons of other Imp scribes so I guess he's just ordinary after all
mild falcon
ha'ub before him was also intelligent
and anyway there's plenty of imps in the rites
civic birch
ti'zo is said to be "the first imp since ha'ub" to conduct Rites, but that doesn't make any sense, since Udmildhe has two imps with her, as does Oralech
mild falcon
ti'zo has been in the game for a long time
civic birch
i'm willing to believe that most imps can't/won't/have no desire to conduct rites though
vernal harbor
ti'zo was there with the first group of the blackwagon
lime mural
Then why isn't he max level when you get him? Dang I feel cheated lol
vernal harbor
imps did bet money on the rites though
civic birch
he's rusty, like volf
civic birch
i ... would put them at, like, parrot-level
mild falcon
can parrots read and write?
civic birch
partly because parrots & avian intelligence are My Special Interest
lime mural
They seem to be intelligently human, but maybe emotionally shallower?
mild falcon
can parrots bet money on sporting events?
civic birch
listen. they're fantasy parrot-tier.
mild falcon
I don't know what that means, i havent read a lot of fictional parrots
civic birch
there aren't any, really, i'm just saying they're "parrot-tier with some setting-appropriate liberties taken"
vernal harbor
real life parrots have words in their own terms that describes emotions that we don't describe
civic birch
if humans just turned up in a region predominantly populated by birds, and started conducting weird sports rituals at routine locations, i have no doubt that the local parrots/crows would start betting on it.
vernal harbor
and they have concept of zero, can understand what mirror is, can bluff
civic birch
parrots, pigeons and crows are Like That.
lime mural
I'm p sure Tizo can't read or write. If he could, then he might as well be the Reader lol.
civic birch
crows can understand currency!
ha'ub could read and write, so ti'zo is theoretically capable of learning
lime mural
Ahh
vernal harbor
crows can also decide to destroy an unfair bargaining system
though, while gambling might look unfair to some, a large number can still find it fun
mild falcon
maybe imps are like the toys in toy story
mild falcon
pretending to not be intelligent so they dont have to do anything
civic birch
the other thing about birds is that, while they're very capable of intelligence in ways we recognize/accept as intelligence (linguistic/problem solving), and in some respects MORE capable than humans (pigeons outperform humans at recognizing forged artworks!), a lot of their core processing (sensory, emotional, motor) is built on different foundations
we haven't had a shared ancestor in like ... 210 million years, at least
i think imps are like that
also the setting in Pyre is so weird that I'm willing to accept that imps are like. ambiguous between "literal vertebrate animals" and "allegorical fairytale species"
Pyre does a lot of cool things with metaphor and themes and, for once, I kind of prefer to approach things from narrative logic rather than biological
mild falcon
tindersnauf: hmm hmm it looks like your imp is admiring the finest piece in my collection, painted by f. lignum vitae.
ti'zo: hate to break it to ya pal, but it's a fake lmao
vernal harbor
when hedwyn fell for a harp and our harp pamitha supported that decision, so the races were maybe held as equals by most, except the ones in charge in the commonwealth
if human and harp can fall in love, what of imp and another species?
also I really cannot tell if they are races (can interbreed) or species (cannot interbreed)
mild falcon
ignoring the biology, that would be something interesting to explore
civic birch
humans and harps allegedly also share a much closer common ancestor, though it's again not clear if that's literally true or an allegory/fable
or both -- again, pyre can be unambiguous like that
mild falcon
the term race is used throughout the game i think
young fjord
I guess it depends just how avian the harps are, if you want to get into biology
mild falcon
the distinction between "nomads" and "savages" was a bit uncomfortable to me
makes sense for gameplay i guess
civic birch
yeah, not a fan of that one 😬
i like ... the idea of humans having separate classes for "conforms to society" and "won't/can't conform to society", and it's supported in lore, but "savage" is ... a very loaded term 😬
mild falcon
nomad is a bit close to "noble", and this being heritable...
civic birch
is it heritable? i took the class difference there to be. well. a class difference.
mild falcon
they're races
civic birch
(class in the game-mechanical sense)
civic birch
i don't ... like that. honestly. i know it's distinguished in the roster, but it's not clarified, and it doesn't make sense to me
so i prefer to headcanon otherwise
mild falcon
yeah there's some really nasty implications
perhaps the idea comes from the scribes, to count 8 distinct characters
but the scribes' positions as arbiters of truth and nature isn't really questioned
civic birch
¯_(ツ)_/¯
the fact that mae and hedwyn (also almer, lendel, etc) both wear the nomad mask in rites suggests to me that they're the same ... species, biologically speaking
i also think. that pyre is using "race" in the DnD sense rather than the biological sense. so trying to apply biological rigor to a conceit of game mechanic doesn't seem necessary
mild falcon
biological arguments about pyre are probably not based in solid grounds i guess
using the term "race" to describe distinct humanoid creatures, as common as it is, has some nasty implications
vernal harbor
the commonweath authories are implied to be huge bigots
mild falcon
oh yeah, and that's definitely worth talking about
civic birch
also khaylmer is the iconic "savage"-class character and there is ... zero implication or reason for him to be of a different population than gol golathanian or soliam murr
for that matter, "demon" and "human" count as separate "races", even though a demon is just a human with prolonged Downside exposure and depression
mild falcon
i hadnt thought about demon / human when i made my assertions
civic birch
asdf neither had i, that occurred to me just now
spark cloud
oh my god.........all demons have depression.....
young fjord
At what point does a mutagenic transformation deviate from the originating species, though? RE: Demons
civic birch
¯_(ツ)_/¯
it's magic
at a certain point in: re pyre i'm willing to just call things magic/fairytale logic
spark cloud
the hints that there are uniquely demon practices and traditions like changing your name
mild falcon
that's all biology, so we wont get an answer until the sap equivalents of mendel and darwin show up
spark cloud
IS HE A PEA
civic birch
THAT'S ... actually not that weird considering my preexisting sap headcanons
spark cloud
no wait peas aren't trees
spark cloud
he has idk, pea pods on his head
civic birch
he has peapods on his shoulders like volfred has his bamboo
spark cloud
pea pod moustache
civic birch
just got a lil garden up there
also yeah all demons have depression (& my theory is that transformation is died to the drop in Hope stat/rise in Presence)
(which is, in turn, tied to a human's shifting feelings about their sentence/their crime)
mild falcon
maybe it's the other way around
everyone depressed in the downside grows horns
(and tail)
spark cloud
like i'm fascinated by where the name change tradition came from. like is that something prescribed by the commonwealth to further outcast demons, or something demons adopted to embrace their new selves
civic birch
yeets myself into the downside
mild falcon
what was jodariel's name before?
civic birch
i think it's something demons started doing, and also not universal (Oralech didn't, for example)
spark cloud
also like i can't see oralech having changed his name
we only know darben -> darbenfor and vispa -> vispaleth
civic birch
he's cited as "Chief-Physician Oralech" in some of the flavor text so we know he didn't
just stick another syllable on the end it's fine
spark cloud
ignarius is said to have changed his named but we don't know his old name
mild falcon
I'm willing to believe that some names aren't changed
spark cloud
jodariel it's unknown, maybe she was just jodi before
civic birch
aww
vernal harbor
for those who did change, do their human names become the equivalent of deadnames?
civic birch
that puts another spin on hedwyn (+ rukey) still calling her that ... that's cute
i don't think it's 1-1 like that
spark cloud
i'm only against oralech having changed his name because i could not come up with an old name that doesn't sound stupid
civic birch
message redacted because i'm actually not sure it's server-safe
spark cloud
STOP
civic birch
I WILL NOT
civic birch
like, for some people it's probably kinda like a deadname, where it's a painful reminder of a past life, and they'd HJKLFHDKJSHLGKJFS
OREILLY
- they just don't want to hear it
spark cloud
this is venturing into my hc territory but they drop the part of their title they get on exile
the deserter, the liar, etc
and it's like symbolic of shedding their crime or whatever
civic birch
for other people (jodariel?) it's like ... a Trusted People thing. like a nickname or an informal name.
spark cloud
but anyways yeah demons are trans icons
civic birch
also i'm of the opinion that some of their changes recede on liberation but others are permanent
horns (& hooves?) shed but skeletal changes remain
spark cloud
you stay buff as hell you deserve it
mild falcon
(jo is the start to a lot of masc names, soo)
civic birch
(it's also the start of a lot of feminine names ... )
mild falcon
oh hmm
civic birch
also speaking of demons
is it confirmed that "moira" is ignarius's daughter?
or was that just a headcanon i saw somewhere?
mild falcon
ive never heard that
vernal harbor
^
spark cloud
probably hc
mild falcon
sounds neat tho
spark cloud
there was a really good fic on ao3 with that assumption
civic birch
asdfg that's probably the one
i like it, anyway ...
it's nice + adds some character depth to imagine Ignarius as a dad
vernal harbor
I wish ituka would make a pyre doujinshi
vernal harbor
a big name pixiv doujinka
she got popular in english social media thanks to her tiger and bunny doujinshi, and her fame reached tumblr and LJ that way
she loved discussing emotional and religious details in her works and wrote high quality stuff
civic birch
:0
vernal harbor
I went on a tangent, I just love good quality fanworks okay
civic birch
mood 😔
vernal harbor
I want a fangame (or canon microgame but that's unlikely) where we can actually interact with the titans
civic birch
mm yeah
mild falcon
kiss all 6 massive pecs
civic birch
my stand, [SHAX SIX SHOULDERS],
vernal harbor
...was that a bird pun (shax being a bird demon)
vernal harbor
[Shax] is depicted as a stork that speaks with a hoarse but subtle voice; his voice changes into a beautiful one once he enters the magic triangle. - from wikipedia
civic birch
huh! wild
vernal harbor
I'm kind of a bird fanatic and folklore hobbyist so
mild falcon
wow, ars goetica, thats a deep cut
that must have been where the titan's name came from at least
vernal harbor
might be a coincidence because none of the other titans' name came from that book, and the bastion gods were also using original names instead of references
mild falcon
i guess it's just a syllable
vernal harbor
the dead body is too ambiguous, but in pyre it could be a giant bird with fangs
vernal harbor
...that is indeed six shoulders
civic birch
we see a visual of the Titan on the titan stars
vernal harbor
I'll log in my game tomorrow and check
mild falcon
yeah ok that looks the same as the bird with arms to me
hollow steppe
Wait... he only has 4 arms... how does he have six shoulders >:/ 
NO
I SEE THEM NOW
I am enlightened
mild falcon
Is there any evidence of dogs and birds in the Commonwealth or downside?
civic birch
🤔
vernal harbor
considering the curs, this might be kind of...
onyx forum
sparrow im not gonna ping u but u know whats up
lone mural
I just spat out my drink a little
onyx forum
curs with dogs...
civic birch
A cur having a pet dog would be kind of like a human having a pet monkey but if monkeys were domesticated, which is a weird proposition
But not ... that weird all things considered
onyx forum
yeah
lone mural
Honestly though, i would love to know more about the wildlife that does actually survive the downside cuz there's probably some freaky poison bog frogs and i wanna see them
onyx forum
what if dogs are illegal
lime mural
Time to move, then
lone mural
Illegal dogs 
civic birch
DOWNSIDE WILDLIFE
DOWNSIDE WILDLIIIIIIIFE
Catch me flinging myself off the top of the Sclorian to document that sweet sweet biodiversity
onyx forum
jfjfkfkfjfjg
mild falcon
Commonwealth endangers local bird wildlife by shooting down anything that flies
onyx forum
NOOO KDKVMCKG
lone mural
I'm here to draw all these weird mushrooms
onyx forum
"is this a pigeon"
civic birch
"is this a pigeon" but it Is a pigeon and it's "is thIS A HARP SPY???!!!"
mild falcon
I mean, they'd probably suspect butterflies too, as paranoid as they are
onyx forum
:3
wide river
🔪
civic birch
"Naturalist who wouldn't shut up about Commonwealth conservation until they flushed me for a moment's quiet" is my pyresona
wide river
should probably explain what we're talking about there huh
onyx forum
hdkfkvkgkg i hear dogs in pyre and i go AH..........THE GOOD OL DAYS....SPAROW KNOWS WHATS UP,
wide river
who wants to see the time greg destroyed me on twitter
civic birch
Yes
onyx forum
ITS BEEN OVER A YEAR....WROW
civic birch
Ahs HD jfjdj hhhg
mild falcon
I guess it's a pretty common question to ask
cold tundra
that titan star is a jojo reference
mild falcon
"Where do harps go when it rains"
vernal harbor
bird is a very umbrella term like "mammal" but dog and cur... very specific
can you imagine a harp's full wingspan though
considering the harps that we see are the clipped exiles
onyx forum
YEEES
mild falcon
Does clipping affect wingspan?
wide river
depends
vernal harbor
if you do the modern, real life clipping for pet birds, it's just removal of feather tips, so the wing has the same length but is thinner
wide river
from my understanding, clipping can be doen mildly or severely
and then there's pinioning
which is permanent, irreversible, and involves amputating a part of the wing
vernal harbor
but if you do the duck clip, it's the equivalent of chopping off your hand, but your hand is as long as your forearm
so your remaining wingspan would be less than 2/3 of original
mild falcon
duck harps
wide river
the thing is, i don't think harps are pinioned, because their wings are still a normal shape
wide river
apologies for the shoppy picture, i can't be bothered to extract frames properly all transparent-like
now that i look at it, that does look sort of stubby compared to how i might expect a wing to be shaped....
vernal harbor
it does look possibly pinioned
onyx forum
big wingspan for huggs
vernal harbor
see how there's transparency where the fingerbones should be
who has the picture of the scribe harp statue?
wide river
i'm putting this under a spoiler jsut in case y'all don't wanna see a duck with one wing halfed (it's not gory it's just. Wing Missing)
i either already have it ripped or can rip it v quickly
wide river
and pam's portrait
vernal harbor
so the harp exiles might had been pinioned, but just not as much as what is done to ducks
wide river
yeah... enough that they can't properly fly, but not so much that they can't flap about in rites
mild falcon
Imagine how good a properly flying harp would be in rites
wide river
(honestly part of me just assumes the commonwealth doesn't actually know how to do pinioning because the idea of it being totally permanent and irreversible just makes me Very Sad)
mild falcon
Fly 10 feet up and just kobe into the flame
vernal harbor
if we have prosthetic arms can they have prosthetic wingtips
wide river
i mean apparently tamitha can, so
After a surgical procedure, Tamitha could fly again, almost as well as prior to her exile.
vernal harbor
that's the evil sister though, I hope it's not grafting the bones of another duck clipped harp onto her
if I were in the pyre world though, I might not even get exiled, I might have just been killed for trying to approach a harp, possibly by the harp
mild falcon
Just put yourself into a catapult and launch yourself
vernal harbor
it's not about the flight, it's about the loaf
see, when birds loaf, they are very borb
do harps loaf/borb when they rest
mild falcon
You loaf harps
wide river
i made a secretary bird harp once
a duck harp does not seem too far out of the question
wide river
baseball hats
mild falcon
Lmao
civic birch
Harps DEFINITELY loaf, because that is So Good.
I assumed the Harp thing was tenotomy, which is surgically reversible. the novel art looks pinioned but the spRites don't
Pamitha also gets her wings restored if you liberate her iirc
wide river
it doesn't say that she does
if you have both pam and tam on the same side - whether liberated or remained - tam attacks pam and afterwards she always had an injury to show for it
vernal harbor
tam is the type of person who tries to fit what she knows into what she wants to see instead of trying to understand and see things as they are
I've crossed a few of that type in real life, she's realistically written
she wants to see herself as this martyred underdog who is still willing to save the world from its own madness, and will pin people who show her love as the villain because she knows she'll never have to pay any consequence from doing that
vernal harbor
but they glorifying their own sadness, hence the martyr part
I've been pam for a while in life, so I will never let tam go to the commonwealth
at least not until the revolution has been completed
mild falcon
It's good to keep abusers far away from their targets
vernal harbor
it's not just keeping abuser away from their targets, but having someone like that nearly worshipped by the populace and at the head of a revolution? I'm do not believe that's a good idea
civic birch
She doesn't exactly head up the revolution, right? Even if she's liberated and takes part in the assault, it's not like she takes Pam's place in the union ...
I still agree with you but I'm.
vernal harbor
not the head head but definitely on the front line enough
civic birch
Hard to call her an abuser, too, when she'd be perfectly happy to never see Pamitha again
vernal harbor
she's not in the union because she does not take the same kind of approach as pam
well, she's not the control type abuser who would try to trap their target in their clutch for sure
but she is definitely the type of person who pins those who love her as villains because that's how she boosts her ego
and won't try to understand things, and prefer to force fit the info to her belief
basically, I feel tam is entirely against the spirit of the scribal tradition and won't let her shape the revolution, but once the commonwealth is fully restored she's welcome to come and see we can do things differently and still get a very good result
(of course, the above is just my opinion, supergiant may not have thought that way when the pam tam sisters were written)
civic birch
Yeah. She's not a good person by any means, but I wouldn't describe her relationship with Pamitha as abusive ... I think she's even fairly justified in feeling betrayed, since Pamitha did. Y'know. Get her captured/mutilated/exiled. That wasn't Pam's intent, but it is ... still her responsibility
But she holds that grudge deeper & more violently than is warranted. And honestly I think Pamitha would accept an "I understand you didn't mean to do me harm, but here we are; go away forever"
But Tamitha is ... so convinced that Pamitha betrayed her deliberately and with malice.
vernal harbor
pam went to commonwealth after the ambush plan was already exposed, tam claimed that she was captured because of pam when tam's plan was already exposed
pam tried to negotiate a better outcome, which came in the form of exile instead of death after the clipping
civic birch
Huh. Guess I misremembered that sequence
vernal harbor
tam insisted that pam was the one who betrayed her and exposed the plan
but if you talk to pam, the plan was exposed and then pam went to beg for mercy
civic birch
Huh
That's ... kind of disappointing, honestly. I liked it better when I thought it was more complicated.
vernal harbor
both are unreliable narrators, of course, so you can believe that pam only thought the plan was exposed, and her going there was playing into commonwealth's plan and confirmed that there was an ambush
mild falcon
How do harps usually get exiled, if this is an exception? The Commonwealth seem happy to execute harps
Are all the highwing remnants from tam's ambush?
vernal harbor
they did mention that there are so few harps because most of them got killed
civic birch
😬 😔
vernal harbor
no, highwing remnants are the remaining of the Resistance force to Commonwealth, but are not necessarily part of Tam's entourage
though the number of them are so small that they know most of them by name
civic birch
I like the headcanon that some generations back there were Harp citizens in the Commonwealth, but after the CW decided to eradicate the Highwing Remnants, it also began to exile harp citizens en masse
Hence why they seem to have more organization, even hints of a society established in Black Basin
wide river
i don't think the commonwealth ever actually executes people
it seems much more likely to just throw people into the river
same result, for most of them
but then they can claim they're showing mercy
civic birch
w/o written history and with oral history tightly controlled, about a hundred years later the Commonwealth Harps have been mostly forgotten
vernal harbor
but many harps did die to the commonwealth, and hedwyn did say that fikani could have killed him there
wide river
i too have read that fanfic, bird ;)
vernal harbor
and from some hedwyn conversations, you learn that commonwealth did have a mutual kill thing with the hignwings
wide river
i mean, there's a difference between combatants being killed and governments giving a death penalty
civic birch
IT'S BECAUSE IT'S GOOD
wide river
IT IS
mild falcon
They told jody to execute children, they totally would have executed adults
vernal harbor
so they kill during war but only exile its own citizens? plausible
right, thanks for the jodariel thing
(also please send me the link to the harp fanfic)
wide river
if the commonwealth executes prisoners/citizens then how would pam, tam, hedwyn, or jodi end up in the downside?
vernal harbor
in real life, countries with death penalty don't just kill all prisoners
civic birch
I mean, they might've both been killing each other, but the CW definitely ... like ... the CWs condition for "we stop killing harps" appears to be "we run out of harps", while the Harp condition appears to be "leave us alone and give us some of our old territory back maybe? So we're not stuck in the freezing damn mountains"
It's not an even scenario
wide river
the commonwealth seems to place a high enough value on appearing merciful/'just'/'good' or whatever that i could absolutely see them exiling prisoners and being like "well, we didn't kill them, so it's all good"
mild falcon
What did those harp babies do that warranted death penalty? Maybe it's up to the discretion of the local authority
wide river
between the river and the dangers of the downside i'd wager a lot of those exiles die anyway but at that point the commonwealth doesn't care
vernal harbor
considering how real life people did to children of the enemy faction, I'm not surprised
mild falcon
Exile when cw wants to seem merciful, execution when cw wants to seem powerful
civic birch
I think it's a matter of. "Captured enemy combatants" are fair game for whatever but higher-profile prisoners (like tam/pam) get the """Commonwealth mercy :)"""
Arrested citizens just get exile
wide river
yeah
mild falcon
I'm not sure tampam are high profile?
vernal harbor
tam was high profile, she was described as have lead many ambushes
mild falcon
Maybe pam made her plea for mercy publicly
civic birch
Also there's the issue of ... captured Highwings gotta be restrained and transported all the way to wherever CW dumps exiles, then go through the ritual, then get punted, which is a lot of trouble to go through, especially for a highly dangerous bird person who is presumably violent & liable to escape
A lot easier to just. neck snapping sound effect
vernal harbor
harp are bird-like, so they have relatively fragile bodies I assume?
hollow bones and all
when you tie a bird, even an eagle, into a bird burrito, they can't move
mild falcon
Hedwyn gives big hug to fikani... crunch
vernal harbor
now I'm trying to imagine a demon/harp couple, with the assumption that being buff is the norm for demons
mild falcon
I'm imagining it too, but I don't think I can describe it here
wide river
mild falcon
I feel like tam would hate iggy, but maybe that's just cause I do
But maybe he'd fuel her ego in the way she likes
civic birch
Tam would murder Iggy in a heartbeat
Birds are pretty tough, though; their bones make up hardiness with flexibility. They're stronger than you'd think
mild falcon
I'm writing some fanfics, if only pyre had some sort of book that contained all the lore in it...
fluid flax
Yeah, seems like kind of an oversight on the devs' part.
vernal harbor
maybe it's less an oversight and more of leaving us the space for imagination
iron spoke
yeah not having a book full of lore was one of the smartest development moves they made with pyre
vernal harbor
this makes so many fanfics canon compliant it's great
midnight hawk
sgg has always been very much into keeping things open ended and allowing the reader to draw their own interpretations and conclusions
it's not an oversight by the devs, it's a choice
civic birch
(the. the joke is that pyre canonically does have a book that contains all the lore)
midnight hawk
oh rip
vernal harbor
(sure, but it's also canonically by a bunch of unreliable narrators)
mild falcon
the idea that the scribes arent perfect is mostly subtext i think
vernal harbor
it's a supergiant game, all characters are very flawed
civic birch
yeah, it could be better conveyed, but the idea of anyone being a 100% incontrovertible narrator in an SG game is ... doubt
that's not how SG games work
vernal harbor
nothing is 100%, it's supergiant, everybody is realistic in the sense that they make the type of mistakes that real people could make
the scribes were relatively honest and good people, but as that quote goes, "a honest man will tell you what he thinks, give him a mask and he will tell you the truth"
mild falcon
but they did have masks...
civic birch
hehee
i don't ... like that quote, but i do agree that like. the Scribes are ... historical figures
mild falcon
yeah but they're also religious figures
mild falcon
theyve described how the rites work and they arguably imply that they designed those rites
civic birch
they had several very skilled magical engineers with them, I mean, Molten Milithe bound a quasi (hyper?) real eldritch abomination from another plane of reality into a form that could be defeated
religious or historical, they had limited information and a deliberate agenda, and even if having a copy of the Book (their actual, personally written word) negates some of the issues with information preservation/transmission, and ... one of the themes of pyre is how knowledge & systems can be distorted/corrupted through time
mild falcon
through will and power, they assert themselves as the universe's arbiters of justice
their systems decide who is good and who is bad
civic birch
and we don't have to ... accept that. in fact we're encouraged not to -- their Age is ending
it's ... based on the systems they set up some 800-odd years ago, but the Commonwealth has perverted the ideals of the Scribes beyond recognition, too
civic birch
and the Scribes didn't realize that, because they were flawed, despite operating with the best of intentions
in a thousand years or so the Sahrian Union will be nearly unrecognizable, too
that's just what systems do
mild falcon
i guess it's fair for criticism of systems to fall mostly on the commonwealth, a system that is maintained by bad actors, instead of the more powerful but unmaintained rites
it is important for the characters to denounce the commonwealth as unfair
but it is perhaps unimportant for the rites to be called out?
civic birch
one sec
spark cloud
listen, strange stars lying around in the downside distributing orbs is no basis for a system of government
civic birch
😂
mild falcon
everyone knows the commonwealth is unfair, but volfred's unique assertion is that it can be beaten
spark cloud
if i went around saying i was the archjustice just because i lobbed a ball at some moistened wyrm they'd throw me down the river
midnight hawk
bless you jan
mild falcon
volf doesnt declare the rites as a system that should be defeated. is that because it cannot be defeated, or is it because volf is gaming this system
storm fjord
totally gaming the system
civic birch
i think it's because the Rites are just the tool established by the Scribes
mild falcon
and i guess, to what extent is volf gaming the system
spark cloud
he's also very religious
mild falcon
he's religious to win
midnight hawk
i'm not so sure about that
civic birch
i'm not sure ... how one calls out the Rites, themselves. they're just ... a tool, a process. their purpose can be upheld, or exploited, or both simultaneously by different actors, or both simultaneously by a single actor -- the Plan arguably holds truer to the principles of the Scribes than any triumvirate has to a good while, while it definitely also exploits the Rites to a specific end
they were established by the Scribes, who were flawed
they were exploited by the Commonwealth, which is flawed
but the Rites themselves ... ¯_(ツ)_/¯
mild falcon
the rites hold a lot of bias
civic birch
y ... es?
spark cloud
he's pragmatic yes and would game the rites for his goals but he i don't think he would disrespect the rites
civic birch
i'm not arguing otherwise
mild falcon
what are you arguing?
civic birch
just that I'm not sure what you're getting at. the Scribes set up the Rites, and they established a flawed system; you can criticize the Scribes for their lapses in judgment and foresight. the Commonwealth exploited the Rites to reinforce its own power; you can criticize the Commonwealth for its greed and corruption. but the Rites themselves are just ... machinery that does what it does regardless of the input
spark cloud
the merits of ball-based government
civic birch
I'm saying there is nothing to criticize there, it's like ... like criticizing a computer for planned obsolescence rather than its designers
vernal harbor
^
mild falcon
the rites outlived their creators, by design
spark cloud
eh the rites are infused with enough cultural and religious significance that it might not be just a tool
mild falcon
to the extent that it is a machine, it is a flawed machine that should be replaced, to the extent that it can be
vernal harbor
the scribes only gave it limited power and was meant to run out and not be able to throw people up to the commonwealth after a certain number of rites had been conducted
spark cloud
you can criticize the meanings fused into the ritual
civic birch
oh i never thought that was the case sol; i thought it was just ... entropy
rather than something built-in on purpose
all things fade, a system unmaintained will eventually fail, that's just ... ¯_(ツ)_/¯
what happens
mild falcon
does "pyre" presuppose that the rites are unbreakable? if the scribes are people, then their power is mortal, what they establish is replacable by mortals
civic birch
i ... think that's exactly what Pyre's themes suggest, yes
vernal harbor
you are right that I assumed the meaning, a certain person did feel betrayed at it, so from his reaction I assumed it was at least partially planned
spark cloud
it's not explained why the rites ended
the characters have their own theories but i do think they come off as just. theories
mild falcon
are the scribes gods? what does it mean to be a god?
vernal harbor
I thought pyre referred to funeral pyre, a ritual of death of your older self
since the central figure of the scribes was a man who was very selfish at first and gained his morality through the underside journey
and the 7 other scribes were assassins sent to kill him
spark cloud
especially bc most of the characters are like "uhhhh must be oralech's fault" and i'm like please. use your brains i implore you
mild falcon
it's worth considering that maybe volfred's actions kill the rites
civic birch
Please Use Your Brains
mild falcon
without the commonwealth, there might not be a reason to exile anyone. the system is dying because it's obsolete
what are the rites powered by, and how can that power run out?
vernal harbor
it could be tied to the revival of the titan stars?
since the scribes killed the titans before creating the rites, so maybe they used the dead titan souls as fuel
spark cloud
the scribes said screw this we're done
vernal harbor
so when the power started to flow back to the titans...
civic birch
i wish the revival of the titan stars / hints at the return of ys**** had been followed through more
because I thought that was a super interesting narrative thread, and the fact that it eventually comes to ... nothing? was pretty disappointing
spark cloud
we're packing up our heralds and heading out.. good luck
mild falcon
if you free udmildhe 100 times you unlock ys#### mode
civic birch
hjgkfldskhj
vernal harbor
I'm definitely using the titan as fuel for my fanfic, though nobody ever confirmed that
spark cloud
idk i don't see how cosmic horror fits into the rest of it
if the titan stuff was more prominent than it was i think it would derail the story
mild falcon
i think the cause-effect is the other way around, the weakening of the rites strengthens the titans
vernal harbor
that is also plausible
civic birch
i just feel like the return of the titan stars should have Meant Something narratively, whether it played into the ending/cycling of the age, or whether it was something more dramatic. they're such a big deal and such a presence in the Rites/lore I feel as though they should have had some relevance to the "present day" plotline as well
mild falcon
the death of the titans created the rites, the death of the rites recreates the titans
civic birch
not even necessarily ys#### as cosmic horror but like. some of them were just Real Big Monsters.
vernal harbor
I believe they were deliberately left vague as per the Bastion gods
or the nature of the Cloudbank and the Country
civic birch
Cloudbank and the Country have bearing on the immediate game plot, though
as it is, the Titans ... don't
vernal harbor
fair
civic birch
they exist in the lore and the scenery but they have zero bearing on the game
vernal harbor
well, there's the additional challenge for bonus exp
civic birch
Volfred even says something like "calling upon titan stars may give you more power ... but i would beware doing so" and that's just like. never relevant ever again
vernal harbor
the crone might have mentioned it again at some point
civic birch
it has no mechanical/plot importance
vernal harbor
it's flavour and no impact on ending you mean?
mild falcon
the weird part of the titans to me is their asymmetry
vernal harbor
because the rites locations are often dead titans
spark cloud
it's not the only thing in a sgg game that's just flavour and has dubious plot relevance
mild falcon
they don't follow the patterns of the scribes, there's more than 8 of them
vernal harbor
some scribes killed two titans
civic birch
they all cooperated on the Archbeast
vernal harbor
they do make the universe feel much bigger, it's good worldbuilding
civic birch
yeah, and i don't even have an issue with flavor, it's just ... why do i care about the titans? why do they matter to me? they're cool, i guess, they're big monsters, but ... they're set dressing
vernal harbor
liminal key maybe?
civic birch
and they're established as So Much, and there are those hints towards ys#### returning, and it all just ... comes to nothing
vernal harbor
liminal key in the sense of "this is a fantasy, none of the events happened in real life or plausible future, focus on the emotions and social comments"
and "this is set in a liminal time, a time of change"
spark cloud
kinda just feels like cosmic horror genre convention to me
lowkey unsettling feeling that something earth shatteringly horrific will happen
vernal harbor
that's what I mean by key, it calls forth a certain expectations in the audience
spark cloud
and there's literally nothing you can do about it
vernal harbor
it's bit like the intentionally bad props of doctor who
spark cloud
it isn't totally out of place, i feel like it has some relation with demonification
maybe not a direct link but it's like, part of the general bad vibes from the downside
civic birch
does it? i ... never felt that connection. you have a point though.
spark cloud
sometimes it's so pretty you forget it's supposed to be a terrible place
but then oh right just being in it long enough turns you into a sick demon
vernal harbor
huh, now that you mention it
civic birch
honestly, something I really like about the Downside is that ... I very much feel that the Reader's life improves with the Nightwings
many of the Nightwings I feel. get a chance to live happier, stronger, freer lives in the Downside than they did topside. or are able to create change & find fulfillment upon liberation because of their time there, and the bond formed there
despite the fact that it's this purgatorial hell dimension
the Commonwealth ... is just that nasty
vernal harbor
that is the original meaning of purgatory, isn't it?
the place for people who were not perfect saints but also not full on evil, and it's the place where you can leave if you receive the love of god
(hedwyn's cooking skills, however, never saw the love of scribes)
civic birch
he DESERVES IT
spark cloud
he's not a bad cook he just has bad ingredients u_u
vernal harbor
btw do harps cook or do they regurgitate food into the mouth of their family
spark cloud
oh no
i imagine you're just a bird pecking on your keyboard pretending to be a human
vernal harbor
did I ever pretend to be human
spark cloud
but occasionally make slip ups like "haha when you regurgitate food for your young am i right fellow humans"
vernal harbor
I love walking on the ground fellow humans
mild falcon
did i stumble onto another bird-only discord server...
civic birch
🐦
spark cloud
i believe you are also a bird
mild falcon
i was reading the titan fight logs, and it turns out matriarch triesta has a holy scepter
spark cloud
bird stick
mild falcon
seems like something that shouldve been mentioned more than once
vernal harbor
yeah that's a bit fanservice
mild falcon
lmao
spark cloud
the scribes are basically a level 20 d&d party you can't change my mind
civic birch
also iirc it's the imperial scepter of sahr, so like. at what point did she obtain that
spark cloud
wait you're telling me the emperors of sahr all had a laser shooty stick
vernal harbor
I don't know, but if you hold a pen or spoon and a bird sees that, it will belong to the bird
like, the god Enlil had this tablet of destiny, and his bird took that
mild falcon
without reading, the people of the commonwealth are unable to "level up"
vernal harbor
they also don't have the pen to write the new level anymore
civic birch
i can absolutely second that, sol
torn bolt
scribes are absolutely a level 20 d&d party
did the emperors of sahr know how to Use their laser scepter or did triesta figure out 'hey this thing can shoot lasers' some time after she obtained it
vernal harbor
soliam didn't even do anything significant until he became a demon so he probably didn't
and I wonder if triesta first took it because it looked like a nesting material stick
and then hey this shoots lasers
mild falcon
the story of the scribes would be a cool dnd campaign actually
vernal harbor
harps don't have hands, so I kind of wonder how she holds it, does she hold it with her feet like parrots, does she hold it in her mouth like crows, or does she hold it like female lovebirds carrying nesting material in her tail-feathers
mild falcon
harp/wyrm solidarity is not reminding anyone that they pick things up with their mouths
spark cloud
telepathy
torn bolt
i like the image of her waving it around in her claws
story of the scribes is actually a great campaign setup...........you all meet searching for this fallen emperor whom you've sworn to kill
vernal harbor
but he has already become a guilt-bearing depressed trans
so your racially diverse group now band together to kill titans for freedom of all
vernal harbor
he can write and read unlike most of you
spark cloud
they can all write!! >:0
mild falcon
did the scribes learn to write in the downside?
vernal harbor
the emperor knew how to read and write and taught that to the imp as act of gratitude
not sure about the others
civic birch
Literacy wasn't banned in Sahr, so presumably they all could read and write
They all wrote portions of the Book
The literacy ban was an invention of the Commonwealth about 600PS
vernal harbor
were imps banned from it back in Sahr though, or were it just the Accursed?
what is even an Accursed?
spark cloud
there are no imps out of the downside
no wait what i mean is
there obviously are but they don't live in the commonwealth
messenger imps can get up there somehow
but if you liberate ti'zo he's a big deal
and people are like oh my god what is that
nobody knows what an imp is
vernal harbor
very cute is what
mild falcon
imps are commonwealth cryptids
vernal harbor
<s>like real life black swans and new zealanders </s>
mild falcon
maps_without_khaylmer
vernal harbor
bless the imp titan who choked him (gender?) out
vernal harbor
I was referring to the ancient expression of black swan as something that sounds plausible but doesn't exist
they end up existing, the people saying that were just not well-traveled
civic birch
hee
vernal harbor
I wonder if the name Sahr Empire is based on the term for desert
"a dialectal Arabic word for "desert", ṣaḥra (صحرا /ˈsˤaħra/)"
mild falcon
Sgg has answered questions about their language inspirations
vernal harbor
is it this one? https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/08/02/noxalas-ligaratus-inside-pyre-language/
spark cloud
"Like Tolkien before him" wow high compliments
vernal harbor
I mean, how can we not be in awe of the craft used in supergiant games?
and considering Tolkien refused to teach his students correctly and mumbled to the chalkboard as he wrote stuff to deter his students, I think I like supergiant's doings a bit more
spark cloud
i can't judge sahrian's merits as a conlang though since there's no published source on actual grammar or anything
vernal harbor
some of tolkien's students did become big name authors too so I guess his tsundere way of teaching worked
sahrian is very good language in the sense that it feels real
as a new language it's immature but as a simulacrum of a language, it is very well done
I guess the article's writer is just a huge fan so hyperboles were used
mild falcon
I mean, lotr started off as a place where Tolkien could show off his conlangs
Maybe pyre started out the same way
vernal harbor
I'm so looking forward if this happens
LGBT+ friendly codifier of new fantasy
the future shall be one of acceptance and celebrations of our many colours
fluid flax
Hah! I actually got 'Noxalas.' I heckin' thought it was too convenient that the roots matched up.
civic birch
I understand why the whole issue of liberation is kept secret, but at the same time, the idea of it not being kept secret makes some very interesting aspects to explore
I think it would better justify the Commonwealth's claims of "mercy". Look, we've not only offered you exile instead of execution, but we've given you a chance however slim to return in glory!
the idea of a society where a chunk of the upper echelon is liberated ex-convicts, and this is known ...
status differences between the liberated, and those who inherited or were promoted into high-status positions?
stigma on liberation, on discussing the process of the Rites? doubts about the fitness/competence of someone who's lived their whole life topside? rumors about what liberated authorities' crimes might have been before their records were scrubbed ...
topside awareness of demons! & what it would mean to be someone who was convicted, exiled, profoundly & visibly changed by exile, and returned nonetheless
(since if liberation isn't secret, there's no need for the transformation to reverse topside; that's a detail I've always been a little cranky about)
mild falcon
maybe that's what it was like before they banned reading
it would make the commonwealth seem like a meritocracy
hot cradle
does anyone have any tips on how to actually be good at the rites? i’m playing on the easiest difficulty and i still rely on reload-scumming to actually win anything.
placid cosmos
are you playing with kbm or a controller?
hot cradle
kbm
onyx forum
-redo ur controls as much as possible until you find a good combo
-demon jump is ur friend
hot cradle
i can’t figure out how to coordinate multiple team members at all. my strat all the way up until the first liberation rite has been sending players out one at a time.
like i know how to switch but if i leave someone close to the enemy team they just die immediately
onyx forum
yeah...
hot cradle
and i don’t really know what to do with jodi other than keep her gigantic aura near my pyre as defense...plus i stacked her with items so she raises the health of the pyre by a lot
hot cradle
also, story-related question: do jodi and the bird girl (i forget her name, sorry it’s been a few months since i last played) ever start to get along? i really want an all-girl team
stray jolt
^ and they're actually pretty strong together
civic birch
My fav strategy early on was to pick a fast runner (rukey, gilman, pamitha) and just kinda yeet them across the field
Talismans to increase Pyre damage
torn bolt
ti'zo and pam are helpful because the ai on reduced difficulty has a hard time with flying
if you're getting banished a lot, talismans to increase your hope/high hope teammates are your friend
hot cradle
jodi and pam also need to kiss
torn bolt
try to clear all the scribe trials sandra gives you even if you have to come back to them or restart a lot-- they teach useful strategies for each class and the talismans they give are really good
civic birch
👍
spark cloud
tizo talisman op as hell
torn bolt
and upgrade your talismans if you find ones that work well, the fully upgraded nomad/imp specials and prayer beads are really good
yeah ti'zo with lvl 20 ha'ub's wing is an mvp
spark cloud
the AI is not great at blocking flying imps
torn bolt
worse than blocking harps definitely
also the imp mastery that opens a portal where you're banished is Useful
spark cloud
idk if pamitha's talisman is still good post nerf
i always go for ti'zo's Max Dunking Power skill tree
torn bolt
it's pretty good i just forget to fly in like half the time and get no use out of it djdgdh
yeah what are people's favorite classes/builds? i only got into pyre in january so idk what the Meta(tm) is
spark cloud
there's not really a robust pvp scene
i think someone tried to set up an online pvp tournament a while back
torn bolt
how can you do that without an online versus mode?
spark cloud
some hackz
torn bolt
:0c
spark cloud
idk some software that lets you do that i'm pretty sure it's nothing shady
spark cloud
it's just remote controlling local versus mode
torn bolt
nice nice
wispy zinc
This is still my favorite SG game
The music and atmosphere was awesome
Cant wait to buy hades once it rolls out on steam
hot cradle
....i should really finish pyre someday instead of just playing hades for the 200th time
fading ridge
The game is about zoning if you're having trouble and are good at visual learning I recommend doing vs matches and piting the AI against itself. To the guy who was having trouble.
vestal bluff
We had intended to have a tourney at some point but the latency of Parsec prevented it
fading ridge
I would love to host a competition but I would require a lot of logistics which I have planned but no time or money currently.
vestal bluff
It works alright if you’re geographically close, but it’s too far from perfect over longer distances
fading ridge
Logistics is more than just the physical location, there's a lot of micro and macro management involved plus legality. I doubt it would be much of an issue but a little paperwork goes a long way to solving problems.
You are right though, I would imagine you'd have to find a town that is steeped in video games that would make it worth the effort.
Otherwise you'd be advertising out of state.
vestal bluff
No, Parsec is a software that allows us to play online against eachother
fading ridge
ohhhh I never heard of this. I'm sorry.
fading ridge
But I mean like, I had a dream once that I organized an event and decorated the interior of our convention center in the style of pyre.
vestal bluff
There are people who can host you for matches provided your internet is good enough
fading ridge
I might be, I'll check it out but my internet has been shakey.
vestal bluff
We’ve got detailed requirements and instructions on a channel in the server
I would play with you to show you how it’s done, but I’m not in my usual location atm
Someone’s probably around though
Anyone else who’s interested, please, feel free to check out that invite link above!
civic birch
I had a dream that was basically Pyre except I the Reader a) already knew the Nightwings and b) (violence) ||had my skull bashed in with a rock and got thrown off a cliff while they watched||
Survived tho. Thanks dream logic
mild falcon
Wow, just like our pal oralech
midnight hawk
bad ending pyre the dream
civic birch
OOF
tired dew
Unused Pyre Vocal Songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d4dZYEACwQ
onyx forum
HELL yeaj
tbh tbh tbqh i feel like the unused pyre bits are like.....spices to the game......not canon per say but they definitely have substance in my feel of the pyre universe
civic birch
👀 👀 👀
torn bolt
god i really want to find full versions of
you know when you're about to go face each triumvirate for the first time after the first lib rite
and someone briefs you on their leader's backstory
and there's a special version of the theme that plays
those
onyx forum
AHHH YEAH...
oh god i know theyre out there Somewhere
i think it was a reddit post?
torn bolt
oh man
mild falcon
There's a zip file bouncing around called noxalas with a whole bunch of ripped trax
torn bolt
okay update, i found it but it doesn't have path to glory :((
vestal bluff
Myself and @long holly are gonna represent the home team at trivia night this evening!
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/478711601248075777/580226715985510401/image0.jpg
onyx forum
hell yeah, good luck!!
mild falcon
...better hope lendel doesn't show up
long holly
vestal bluff
(not jkjk lol we’re getting destroyed)
vestal bluff
(update: we got destroyed lmao)
spark cloud
r i p
orchid gust
F
stoic junco
F
onyx forum
F
spiral osprey
F
sudden owl
F
young folio
F
lime mural
F
fluid flax
F
civic birch
F
midnight timber
F
thick carbon
I pray every day I’m gonna wake up to a notification that Brian polygon unraveled the book of rites but I know it’s so far out of my grasp
onyx forum
hhhhhhhhhhh
civic birch
Oh my god PLEASE
mild falcon
with little hand drawn pictures of the titans