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It definitely varies! You can run through Pyre really quickly if you're skipping through dialogue, but where's the fun in that?
i did it in one sitting, it took me 15 hours
Right, which is why I included that little bit of extra info. I'm playing through this game really slowly, but are we talking 10h+ or?
15h in one sitting?!
Dude...
i also kinda rushed it towards the end, but i was getting tired.. and i might read a bit slowly
i really, really didnt want any spoilers
I've had almost nothing spoiled, even after a year
i run the fan server, and i used to backread everything
Other than AT or whatshisface and the multitude of ending
wanted to finish the game and be able to be in the spoiler channels before the backlog of messages became too much
also i kept saying ill do one more rite until i kinda. finished the game.
You know it's a good game when it draws you in that easily
I'm gonna go sleep now
Night Mojken!
it is, i think its the only supergiant game i reviewed
Partially to avoid pyre spoilers
even tho transistor is actually my fave
Spoiler Alert: there will be sweet slam dunks
oh yes
I loved the art that Steam put up during one of the summer sales of Pyre literally being a basketball game
yeah!!
I've owned the game since the hour of release and only yesterday noticed that Rukey's tail is actually green
LOL I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT
yeah i didnt notice until it was pointed out to me
but it was like, 5 days max after the game came out luckily
I thought the Steam art was from this meme on the pyre subreddit with the Air Bud poster painted green on the tail
Any chance we'll be blessed with tasty tasty Pyre ringtones?
^^^^^
Tizo noise ringtone would be a NECESSITY if it existed
I could complete the trilogy
I've already changed my notification sound to Ti'zo chirping and it is still the best thing I've ever done
Notifications for what? As I now may want to do that to my phone...
text notifications. It's like Ti'zo fluttered into my room to tell me the messenger imp arrived
My current one is the Item Get from LoZ, but Tizo sounds like a great alternative. His random chirps and the like get stuck in my head when I remember him.
on a similar note I've had my PC startup noise set to the Transistor OVC chime since launch and it still hasn't gotten old
I've been telling myself I'll change the startup noises on my PC for ages, still havnt...
ooh nice one
i did not know that was possible now i am full if regrets
i need to do that but ill forget til im back π¦
:no:
that was dark π’
im at the bottom of the mountain i whisper "rukey was exiled for being out past cur few" to oralech and he demonizes instantly
lmao
he's at the bottom but after hearing that pun he climbs back up just to jump again
A Deluge Festival
I'll be livestreaming Pyre soon, a blind first run, if anyone is interested in watching that
Anyway, starting the stream right about now. Discord will help you find it I think.
I want on stream live performances of Imp noises or itβs all for waste
I'm probably going to miss the pyre stream because i have to work but i'm upset because that's the one i've been looking forward to :(
Are people allowed to record the stream?
People recorded the Transistor one. Right now that's the only way to preserve them
I'm going to try to be up in time for it even though it's insanely early for me, but if other people record it that'd be even better since there will be parts I'll miss either way
Might become a huge file depending on how long they're going to stream though
Movark I'm sorry, that's the only character I don't voice
Mojken, language please
Except for Sandalwood, idos domi that was so cool!!!
thanks π
I'm pressed on time, but I have a feeling I'm approaching one kind of an ending at least. Hopefully I've gotten further than what they will during today's stream at least π€·. Final stream for a few hours, doubt anyone is actually interested, but it never hurts to advertise a bit. π
I have a feeling that I haven't gotten far enough to watch the livestream - I only just liberated my first (Jodariel). Someone make sure to record it all, yeah? Every second of it!

SOON
(spoiler) did you guys let pamitha's sister win
not me
me neither
yeah
i didn't liberate pamitha either, cause it just felt right
that moment really touched me so i was like, ok time to throw this rite
pam stayed down tho.. so i got the second best ending
so how many hours to stream start?
0
it's 9 pst now, isn't it? They're probably setting up now
i can't watch it on my phone can i
is it gonna be on steam or twitch?
steam iirc
time to download steam app
I've made sure not to lose a single fight
Playing on hardest
The snakes were the hardest so far, lost against them twice
Totally didn't save scum to make the people I wanted to ascend ascend >.>
actually, I'm not sure I ever did. but I wasn't on the hardest difficulty
Eh, I did the same in Transistor. It's just the way I like to play
I'm fully aware that the losses are just a part of the story, but I want my story to be of an unbeatable triumvirate that can live up to it's name, and I want that to be earned - which I feel like currently it isn't
I have stopped losing battles
I intentionally lost to the fate, maybe the essence? I forget if you have to lose to let Tamitha go instead of Pamitha
I threw my match against the Essence. I beat the Fate, but I felt really bad about it.
I was a huge softie
give me half an excuse to let you leave and I'll give it to you
What indication did you get that you had to lose a battle?
Pamitha asked me to throw, and I couldn't disappoint my waifu.
Really?
yeah
Yeah
and Dalbert was a cool old cur
truth
I just with it was me instead
It's one of my favorite game moments ever
Orb-wife is only-wife
F r i e n d
B a d a s s
I have two questions, if anyone would be a dear and ask them for me when the the time is right I'd be very grateful:
What's up with the weird paths that the Blackwagon takes? Just for fun? I have to say I enjoyed the suspense of it.
Is Gilman a reference to Claptrap? Even his voice is similar, on top of the personality.
I got you Moj π
No promise they'll get answered! But I will get the questions in.
π
They were really, really good at answering the questions yesterday, so I'm optimistic. Worst case, it's possible to ask again when there's a lull in chat.
can someone tell them i love pyre very much because i can't do it myself
done
someone already asked why cant you marry hedwyn so the sparrow representation is there
about to start my shift at work and won't be home for several hours :(
EXCELLENT MY BRAND
That was me π
that's what fanfic and mods are for
"egg: sparrow is gr8
egg: sparrow if you're reading this you're gr8
3S-ta: Shout-out to Sparrow, one of the mods in the discord server."
Sparrow, Egg and 3S-ta give you shoutouts
"Thank you Sparrow" - Greg
stop being faster than me!
"thank you sparrow" - greg kasavin, 2018
fjghjdfkhgsd
im egg lol
WHY MUST I BE UNABLE TO WATCH,,
they love and appreciate you anyways!
also someone asked about a pamitha daki and i wonder if her sprite is the right size now
shes long
i would love that
Long daki..
but do they know weeb slang like "daki" tho lol
god I hope someone is recording the stream and caught that,, im crie
um
They have a Tizo
A friend
hfdkgjldsfhg
dakimakura
Body pillow
it means body pillow
are they taking stream questions from here, or where? o.o
me and some others are transferring questions from here to the steam chat
but they're viewing the stream chat for questions
you can use both though cause we can transfer them
got'cha π
would someone be willing to ping me once they hit the first volfred bits? π
sure thing
@twilit juniper I'm maui, btw
404
lol
π
sorry maybe odd question Mojken, but do you read Brandon Sanderson's books by any chance?
What, can a guy not say Storms and Idos Domi withot being a fan of the OTA?
The link or?
someone who says storms and idos domi but doesn't read those books
The only thing I can find is the individual video snippets that it sends for every few seconds
Ah
Yeah, seems unlikely
A mystery worth taking to the grave.
i'm particularly a fan of the quote, "my life would be put into peril if i had to give away all of falcon ron's secrets"
I mean, that is true, but I was promised Deep Falcon Ron Lore
Supercut of Greg saying Deep Lore
i like that they said this means we'll get "more questions than answers"
there's something so fittingly ron about that
Just found out I got the Star Struck achievement without noticing/trying
This game could easily be a bit harder in the beginning
Deep Deluge Lore
EXPERIENCE KORBNESS
YE ty!!
One thing I love about this game so far is that almost no matter what, there's always an answer that fits exactly what I was already thinking about the question
Yeah, just heading towards the Glade of Lu
@sacred lark sorry I'm late he's here
I see the tizo clearly
π
ti'zo: [usual ti'zo noises]
translation: i can't believe it! i can't believe i'm on a live stream!
it's like mike wazowski almost
someone's recording the pyre stream as well, right?
this was the one I was most excited for
booby started recoding it at some point, but not from the beginning
@sacred lark Oralech is the next rite
ty!!
oh no i have to go... someone ask about the nature of volfred and oralech's relationship and report back to me 
does volfred is gay
I have to step out soon as well or else I would
omg i just noticed they're playing with all of the titan stars
against the essence too
RIP
now someone ask how volfred and oralech ended up falling in love 
i need to know
@ pyre stream how many liberation rites have they done so far ,,
What did they say to the first question I'm out of the house
amir is revealing some Pro Mae Strats with throwing the orb and then taunting to teleport to it
im definitely in the mood to play some more pyre now and try that out
I think theyve done 3 or 4
Ive been watching the whole time but I don't remember XD
I see , thank you !! π
I never remember taunts but throwing with Mae is one of my favorite things
when i got her taunt mastery i would taunt at the start of every round
its really good
Erisa and brighton lore 
Aw I'm missing old nightwings lore
I'm so happy that they replied to my question about oralech and the true nightwings 
Ooh what did they say?
hey actually could someone ask greg to maybe talk more about sap culture and what's going on with it that volfred doesn't see eye to eye with manley and his contemporaries? π
i crave that deep lore
I asked if Oralech was trying to imitate the True Nightwings by having an imp (Ti'zo) and a savage (Erisa) in his team and Greg said that that was a nice observation and that he might have either on purpose or subconsciously looked for people that reminded him of his liberation rite
(assuming they can read chat that is)
I asked how the harps do anything without hands
They basically said βdonβt think about too hardβ
Lol
will do @sacred lark
thank you muzeek! β¨
He basically said that Volfred and Manley can't really accurately depict all of sap culture as they're just two individuals and have very different viewpoints on what is best, for them and people in general. Their disagreement comes mainly from their individual differences in perspective rather than a cultural divide. Apologies if I messed any of that up, someone correct me if I did, it's 1am and I am a potato right now
you are a lovely potato and i thank you π₯
here's a question
are the saplings actually their child
I can't watch the stream rn but I wanna know
Manely introduces it as the spitting image of himself, so I think it's literally just an offshoot of the treeSap
their chat just died again but they said they're probably gonna get around to looking at questions on Discord sometime and answering them here
I'll ask it if the chat comes back for them though
yeah, the game describes humboldt jr as an extension of himself
They said they wanted to imply that all the races are all very different types of characters and have different cultures and such, aaaand also that it was probably a good rabbit hole to not go down.
so headcannon away
@heavy hill
I suppose if they answered that then the more unsavory fanfics could quickly rise
I actually don't even know what that could lead to but I guess that's for the best?
i'm watchin yall 
should I be scared to go read fanfics because that was next on my list
I only finished pyre this week, just got it recently D:
so i bought pyre for a friend and sent them this https://i.imgur.com/xtQpIx5.png
Shameless self-promotion but I'm actually writing a Pyre fic
π
It's on fanworks if you want to check it up. We update it weekly (posted by Albin, he's my co-writer)
there are very talented writers in this fandom and you should not be afraid
Mine? I warn you it's pretty long already, and it's about the Chastity... I mean it's about the Reader but... what if they were in the Chastity instead of the Nightwings
https://archiveofourown.org/works/14398980/chapters/33251802 I'll drop it anyway
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the
Organization for Transformative Works
thanks!
I'll read it on a night when I don't have to be up early, I'm being irresponsible enough already ^^;
It's ok, take your time, just showing your interest already makes me happy ^^
it sounds like a really interesting idea so I'm happy to have a good start to diving into the fanfics π
It's probably the most niche way to get into them but yeah, there's a lot of good Pyre fics in that page, worth checking out
i had to go again someone tell me who the final liberation was ;0;
Oralech, they put up Pamitha
oh he went up??
wasnt sure if they were gonna put the reader instead when they did reach out
ah hold up, Oralech won but
they sent reader up instead
ohhhh ok....oralwood 2gether
thats the reason they cited :''''))))
AAAAAAA RLY????
YEA
ORALWOOD ORALGOOD
AHA


"i was hoping for this kind of outcome" said abt their reconciliation
NICE
i remember greg said once his favorite ending condition is when theyre both liberated
yeah
its the ending i got, so im 
and thus the cycle of the streams comes to a close
That was awesome
the last thing u see before the stream ends is greg picking up tizo
That was great, yep
what was the juiciest falcon ron lore you learned today? Mine was that he would buy a set of wedding rings just for himself
^
I'd never thought about how he always gets places before the Nightwings AFTER we get the flying blckwagon
So however he gets around, it's pretty fast
the implications of that is also a good one
He must've been faking it when we catch up to him that one time
he was testing us
The penalty for taking him on is -5 Glory, right?
He'd put a bet on the other team for that RIte
Crafty ROn, playing on our sympath
y
penalty: TOO MUCH FALCON RON
falcon ron teleports behind you
falcon ron is everywhere at once
"nothing pewsonal, weadew," he says
falcon ron superposition
im falcon ron
when he's observed, his state collapses such that he only exists where you observe him
but as soon as he's out of your sight...
he's probably a time lord
do you mean like nurse joys or like clones
But if you liberate someone, does, say, the Ridge of Gol Ron know all the stuff the Fall of Soliam Ron knows?
'Cause he'll reference it
it's the same Falcon Ron he just happens to be everywhere all at once
theyre a hivemind
β
ridge of gol ron uploads his brain to dropbox β’ and fall of soliam ron does an update
*Ronbox
if you could travel quickly enough between the two locations could you catch another ron before the download finishes
next level technology. Ronology?
god i still will never get over the 5% discount at the end of the game
"great."
i'm so glad they let him be himself
Ron knows what's up
ron is the only one that knows what's up
is he the only character with lines that doesn't have an ending thingy
he has a thing at the end iirc?
every ron ending is the best ending
I'm almost certain he doesn't have an ending... do i gotta replay pyre to see the ron endings
were you at the stream? They saved his epilogue for last
If Bertrude stays behind and Rukey goes up, Ron cuts a deal between them and the MEssenger Imp to sell Bertrude's stuff in the new Union via Rukey as distributor. Ron gets rich
ive missed every stream
Best ending
Friends, it's me, your Amir. Thanks for spending time with us on the Stream and supporting us π
Gwai Taish
Our amiracle
thanks for streaming!!!
γη²γγγ
Thanks for streaming and putting up with all my lore questions!
Thank you guys so much!!
we will support you π΅ to the end π΅ !!
Awesome -- I am going to go fall over now! Have a good evening!
get some rest
π€

good night!!!
no, play it cool
good night! thanks for the great stream!
each ron is part of the bigger picture...
I can really use a nap too. I really messed up my sleep to get up in time for the beginning of this
The omnipotent Ron...
ronnipotent
Heβs the archjusticeβs and the commonwealths biggest fear
the first time brighton had to buy something from ron in exile he just instantly started shaking. it was a premonition...
"Hey what happened to that jittery guy, he get out of here or something?" Ron asks knowingly after Brighton's liberation
ron somehow knows brighton is gonna be aj before he does
Ron can escape the downside but he likes to make everyone think he canβt
he looks up at the sky when volfred's buying stuff like "ah....send that boy my regards, will you, hmm?" and 3 rites later brighton starts voicing and it makes sense
omg
Ron has no reason to "escape" the downside except to herald the end of the known universe. As long as he can keep selling his stock he has no reason to do this however
He created the titans and he can do it again
broke: tariq is yslach theory
woke: ron is yslach
he created the downside itself, and made sure there was no escape but for the one the scribes created
game theory: ron is the most powerful being in the downside
game theory: the reason greg knows so much ron lore is cause he is ron
we know too much
pyre is autobiographical (but only the ron scenes)
that's why Greg's life is supposedly tied to the secrecy of the deep ron lore
Rumor has it if you make Ron be quiet while youβre buying from him youβre one step closer to reawakening the titans
uh oh i quiet him every time
let him be himself
interact to let him be himself
dirty deal is a great song i just wanna jam to it by itself when im in the rop (ron shop) hghghjgj
i'm so glad we know what gwai taish means
riton (Ron titan)
omg good
thank you come again
i figured it was a "thank you" thing lol
also they basically were like "ron has his own dialect of the language"
heavily slurred "gratias"
is that how it's supposed to be spelled wow
oh didnt they say once that ron dialect is like the hewwo of sahrian
sadfjkhdsfjkhjkhsdfa
yeah they did lmfao
i mean it's not straight-up "gratias", it's a close equivalent, but yeah
it's something like gratias, run through the ron-speech generator
lemme see if we have a straight up thank you from someone other than ron...
oh, i theorized sandra's "igriata" is also a version of "thank you"
Stream ended right?
yep
How long was it?
like 8 or 9 hours?
she got most of it but her internet's wacky
i still can't believe they went and played the whole game
we're working on it
Pretty good, thank you in advance
yeah, I missed a lot of stuff where they talk about the old nightwings
I really recommend ripping out the audio if you have bandwidth problems
finally gave pyre a buy, looking forward to trying it this summer <3
yessssssssssssssssssssssss
hope you have fun with it!
I had to miss the stream today. What did they say about Oralwood? 
i don't think anything was said but it sounds like it was confirmed that the devs purposefully freed the reader so oralech and volfred could be in the downside together
in today's stream i mean
i still can't believe they marathoned that whole game
I had been hoping they would do that for the exact same reason
well, that, with a side of Hedwyn's promise
Did they break it yesterday? I couldn't watch till the end
the promise was... the reader gets their freedom , right ? 
:o
okay o:
Considering the liberated ones it was a pretty cute ending
you re right ,,,,
(hedwyn's promise is that the Original Team - the reader, himself, rukey, jodariel - will go free)
(he gets sad if only some go free)
They got all of those free
So no sad Hedwyn : D
the most important thing is that manley got liberated
^
They liberated Manley, bullied Dalbert and didn't keep Sandra, that was pretty bad...
Still, Manley gets a bad ending no matter what
manley deserved better 
Manley did nothing wrong... (except, he actually did everything wrong XD)
true ,, he earned the doom 
Still, best part of the stream for me was when Greg validated me for liking trash characters 
o m g HE DID THAT ?!
he validates you for that ; he validates the entire trash-loving side of the fandom 
he really does
I think I asked something like "is it bad that I like Deluge?"
you know kasavin voiced deluge π
I know, I know xD
But yeah, it was something like that even though they wanted to have obvious "bad people" in this game they still wanted to open up for people thinking they might have redeeming qualities, which is something that I actually like about stories, try to give an insight into the villain's mind and make them kind of sympathetic
I always thought that the main villain on pyre is the commonwealth itself and that the "bad characters" in there are just a result of how bad that society is
hello open minded fella π
Yay! π
Its all about commenting on a world gone wrong xD
people turned out bad because of what they went through
Although some are just bad
Look, I'm doing too much insight on Manley due to the fic I'm writing and considering everything, he could have gone with waaay worse things
Like he could have gone full corrupted politician and redirect commonwealth's money to himself
maybe spoiled rich child that grew up with the wrong thought process
yeah, that's basically my take on him
I tend to get salty about a lot of opponent characters getting liberated because a lot of then learn absolutely nothing from the whole experience and continue to be trash, but really why would anyone think this was going to be an effective criminal justice and rehabilitation system?
pyre is the game i know least about ;-; as i couldnt start the liberation trials because of my computer being to old
exile seems to have changed quite a lot since the time of the scribes
I think that's also the point of the game, to realize that you actually need a more... effective rehabilitation system than dumping people against each other in fantasy basketball
looks like now they just throw everyone they donβt wanna deal with down there and go βwell thatβs not our problem anymoreβ
cause that is how you rehbitate people by isolating from society and then they get time to think over what they have done
i agree w not liberating the opponent characters
nightwings earn much more from it
only one worth liberating is Almer
yes !!
The others... I mean, I like Deluge's writer ending but, yeah, most of them barely change or learn anything
Almer's only real transgression was loving his dad
Yeah, but I think he doesn't contribute anything to the plan?
I guess not, yeah.
Same could be said about Barker, though I think that he's actually happier in the Downside
he ends up doing essentially the same thing if he's liberated though
but I guess in the downside he has his packmakes and can't get yelled at for peeing in public anymore
Heck, I should really play through Pyre again
I suppose he also has his mom, I think there's a part where he mentions something about his mom and I was like "are all curs momma babies or what?"
I think that curs in general have very strong family ties compared to other races
I must've missed that. I don't remember him saying anything about his mom
I saw it on the game files, because it's kind of a rare event? (I think it's only during a second liberation rite against them)
iggy upsets me because he's kind of a jerk but he literally didn't do anything to deserve being in the downside
he did his job and got exiled for it
He might have done his job in a... rougher way than intended, but yeah
Punched the wrong person, basically
but still. exile? bit harsh.
exile was a disproportionate punishment for what he did wrong, yeah
I mean, exile is too harsh for 99% of the in game cases
fair point
Shows that, as someone mentioned earlier, exile became more of a way to get rid of someone you don't like rather than a deserved punishment
So just like the real legal system.

It could also be taken as a very harsh rite of passage, seeing how a lot of people in power positions in the commonwealth are former exiles
I mean, I don't think isolating people from society and pitting them against each other for a small chance to be forgiven was ever going to be a system that reliably produces the results they're looking for, but hey
The idea was kind of cute on paper, but yeah, that was doomed to end up badly
you know something thats kinda interesting to me is like, the characters who talk abt their families versus the characters who...don't
it tends to feel like there's either one big relationship that's the focus for the character's arc, or nothing is ever said about their families, ever
The person that Ignarius mentions (I forgot their name xD) we still don't know what's their relationship with him, right?
moira?
That
yeah
yeah, she's not mentioned ouside that one line as far as i know
manley's parents are mentioned like, once or twice, i think
personally i always liked to think it was his daughter
manley mentions them himself, and i...think volfred says something about them when he's doing the scary mind probe lol
I was kind of hoping I would learn more about her on future rites against him, but then it turned to be centered on him and Jodi
unfortunately :/
same
there was a question in a past q&a explaining why Moira didn't have a tooltip popup, but still didn't address who she actually was, so I kept thinking I had missed something, but apparently not
Now I'm thinking what if she was his daughter and by exiling him they basically made her orphan, would also explain why he likes Jodi, she's prime mom material
aww
weird she wouldn't come up in the epilogue then tho
Yeaaaah, I mean, it's still strange that they drop a name like that and then there's no further reference anywhere
I should have asked that on the stream yesterday
yeah
I think the most interesting part of the whole "the system went way too wrong in all this time after the Scribes established it" is that we, the Nightwings, are eventually part of the very same problem as well
as in, instead of being the impartial judges we're meant to be, we manipulate the outcomes to fit our own agenda
it's a noble one, sure, but it's still a perversion of what was meant to be
i dont think the system was ever capable of being 'right', tbh
what i love about the rites is that........for all its big magic, the scribes were just powerful people doing their best, and there are some big pitfalls in the setup
it was a system that depended on extremely high level of idealism in the society that uses it
anything you keep secret and advertise as a secret elite club will attract people who are corrupt
and people are corruptible, so it not flying is not much of a surprise
i think the scribes made the secrecy of the rites, combined with giving power to those who return, its fatal flaw
yeah, exactly!!
yeah anything that requires information to be withheld from the people kinda sets off red flags in my mind
perhaps it was inevitable that the commonwealth, the society established around these principles, would eventually take the restriction of information to its logical extreme with all the burning books
ooooooooh boy i love that
"the scribes would want us to burn books right"
i love. the possibility of scribes bringing about their own ruin.
I doubt they intended or anticipated the course the commonwealth eventually took. They clearly had good intentions, if some questionable approaches that certainly don't lend themselves to preventing such extremes. I ultimately think the Commonwealth's downfall was its own doing, whatever the scribes intended, and that someday the Sahrian Union will too fall, perhaps also to its own corruption, no matter what Volfred intended
yeah!!
oh the s.u. is definitely only going to last so long (and then, i think, the rites will open up again but with bound together replacing never to return)
yeah, the Scribes story sounds like, if you cut out the whole history after they established the Commonwealth, your usual story about fighting for one's freedom
"they got out and they established a system and everything was fine and nothing hurt"
yes!!
how would it work if the rites start up again, assuming the Sahrian Union sticks to its decree to not exile anyone? There wouldn't be anyone in the downside to compete in the rites except natives
ahh
with the "cycle of the rites"........i think what we see as the ""end"" of the rites is the first pause in an even larger cycle
that's one way of looking at it, yeah
the scribes began something that goes on forever, and they have to just, live with the consequences. or be stars with the consequences, but you know
I could easily see the Rites becoming an actual sport some years down the road, too
barker got you covered! >:3
the Khaylmer imps as well
(thousands of years later) (everyones super good at rites bc basketball is the national sport of the sahrian union)
YEAH
i'm sorry but my brain just handed me the phrase "yeet the orb" and then wandered off again so i must share it with you all
thank you for your words
lol
I still think that some people might want to willingly go to the Downside. I know anime is not to be discussed here, but Made in Abyss has a similar setup, a mysterious hole from where everybody knows there's a point you can't come back, yet they still go down there to explore fueled by their curiosity and desire of adventure. In fact, I think that's why Soliam went there in the beginning, chasing some legend, treasure, whatever
...that is an excellent point
yeah soliam went there chasing treasure, because he was greedy
BUT Lu went there out of curiosity
khaylmer: hey soliam there's a really cool thing in the downside, go fetch :3c
soliam: OH BOY TREASURE [leaps into the river] wait no
he literally got bored of the normal world and threw himself into the Downside to study the Other World
What I mean is that even after the Sahrian Union, some people might have their reasons to go to the Downside
thing is, is there anything worth of attention for the treasure hunters
because sure, i can see the researchers getting there
there's always something worth documenting
but after all these years you'd think that the wealth located in Downside/lack thereof would be known
Well, there's Rukey selling "Downside merchandising" xD
right
hey guys not to derail but i just found some resources from the og supergiant server that y'all might want? is it ok if i dump them?
but it's also kind of associated with the cult of personality for the Nightwings
I like this idea that as long as this mysterious otherworld with no escape continues to exist, it's going to have some influence on the society of the upper world. Like, it's just there.
And perhaps some people that really love the Scribes (like *ae) or the Titans (Udmildhe) would want to visit the place where all their stories come from
It's a forever visit though, so something to think about xD
yeah, eventually you /will get some YouTube channels making money off of going into Downside with it just sitting there
Youtube challenge, go to the Downside xD
what resources, Ven?
collection of questions greg's answered in the discord before
whaddup it's ya boi goin into the Dwonside again
No clickbait
ooh yeah, let's bestow that sweet knowledge unto this server
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qxbNfOTgZ3Nd4lxb2BsP8iGNqYVXjgvM3FQASdPaQP4/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vp2QANr0J28Owg3vdPHLfwT90u2qEZ7OJ3MXfUHp-4Y/edit?usp=sharing
A Summary: Volfred was vital to Greg and he's glad the playerbase is recieving him so well; he's one of his favourite characters to write. Bright, Erisa, and human!Oralech don't have fullbody designs, and Moira doesn't have a portrait in order to not burden that moment with e...
oh right my word of geg docs are still a thing that i have
yep!

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with all the questions people have been tossing around recently i thought it would be good to give them a list of stuff that's already been addressed
like my tinychat transcripts from the transistor anniversaries
mhm!
that's some nice stuff, thanks!
Yep, really interesting for those who joined the fandom later, thanks for sharing!
soul patch π’
it's a soul patch and you can't take that from me
im gonna have to ask jen about that one when she s around again
i hope it s a soul patch
jen zee, pleasde, just say soul patch,
Even after seeing the ending and now reading this, I still would like to think that harps have talons instead of human feet 
oh my god i thought u were gonna say "harps have soul patches"
You've already heard of soul patch Brighton, now get ready for,
spirit strip Archjustice
they lift tariq by grabbing him with their thighs and having him snug against them and I AM,,,,,JEALOUS,,,,
honestly the more I hear about "how do harps grasp" the more I want to believe they just have talons as well
I did draw Xaxiana with talons so... sticking with that π€
in an alternate universe the game Pyre exists but it's about the old nightwings and there's an encounter with Brighton where he asks you if he should shave his soul patch. It's a hotly contested choice among the fans and devs
i vote for KEEP THE SOUL PATCH
keep it!!!
if you tell him to shave he says AND WHY SHOULD I LISTEN TO YOU?? and keeps it anyway
yes
This is going to be more controversial than Rukey's mustache
god he s so sassy i hate him i love him
can you imagine having to, like, share the blackwagon with This Guy
Omg why
bad enough hearing him talk in your head!!
Please someone more talented than me draw Brighton with Rukey's mustache
its too cursed my tablet literally stopped working mid line
ghfjdks
Or..consider. BOTH
AAAAAA
Ok now I'm picturing him twirling his mustache while going RRReader! like a true villain
I mean, we don't know what's under that mask so why not xD
i will Force this to be drawn even if i have to keep replugging my tablet
AAAA HFJHGFJGJK
Thanks π
he twirls too much and the mask peels away from his face and he loses magic wifi
Reader in the Downside getting cut out messages
RRRRREA(freezes) DER
Reader: What? Sorry, you're breaking up, I'll call you back never
HHJFHJGJFGHJ PERFECT
aj, in dreams: RRRREADER!
reader: whooooshhhhhhhh shshshshshshs wow the reception is really bad in here shshshshshshsh static static static
aj: i can hear you saying all that with your mouth.
KAM THAT LOOKS SO WHOLESOME
hfjhfgjhgfjh i wont stop u
good pin
thanks for the wonderful contribution to pyre the video game
your welcome. my name is in the credits now along with a tiny version of this pictuyre
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-that will probably take too long to finish but i ll start now 
π π π π
okay, now I need AJ trimming his beard into a perfect soul patch, exclaiming "And it is done!" after he finishes
Took me a minute to pick up who AJ was.
finally dug up that picture of Brighton to look at his soul patch and I totally think that patch is too dark to just be shading. It's as dark as his eyebrows, it must be
not even going to question why his eyebrows are dark when his hair is blonde, but y'know
good post op 
π π π° β£
You're a special boy!

Hedwyn birthday!
I feel ashamed of having remembered Manley's birthday and not Hedwyn's...
Don't be ashamed, Manley is a god
Thanks, someone understands me 
upvoted
manley is best boy
πͺ sacrelige
i kid, i kid. every character is the best character to somebody out there
but hedwyn is best
of course
Hey guys so i have an oppertunity to do a presentation about Pyre and I need your help
what do you think i should talk about? i get around 20 minutes
it's about player choice
it's about feelsβ’
it's emotionally exhausting, honestly
the combination of narrative impact and gameplay impact makes me care, i guess
hey it's ok, i udnerstand
I'll probably get crucified here for this, but on my first run, I made Jodariel feel bad because I called her scary
i did that too but i thought it would actually have a positive response
so i felt pretty bad
what kind of presentation? What are your guidelines?
the "[character] will remember this" from other story games is a nice reminder that sometimes your actions have consequences, but "Jodariel gets -1 glory" has a totally different feel
@barren topaz there's a local discussion group that meets once a month to discuss about games, and they choose a different game each time. in september they will have a meeting about Pyre. usually there are two 20-minute presentations in any subject related, like last time the chosen game was VA-11 HALL-A and they talked about the cyberpunk aspect of it.
So I need to choose a subject related to Pyre and build a presentation about it
It would be both talking and a slide
around people who have played it, presumably? it's not an advertisement?
yeah it's for people who played it or dont mind spoilers
they give enough time for people to play it before the meeting
a lot's been said about the use of music in Pyre and I find that really interesting, but it more depends on which aspects you find interesting. Game design? Narrative? The way it doesn't really fit into any conventional gaming genres?
honestly i've seen so many analysis videos and listened to probably everything sgg had to say about the game, so i'm pretty lost on that one
i thought about the music but i don't really know how to present it without copying from youtube creators
when i beat transistor i almost immediately jumped into the ng+, ready for more of that gameplay and all that. I haven't really touched pyre since, because everything ties up so neatly, no matter what you ended up doing.
transistor has an ending, but pyre has an Ending
y'know
hmm yeah i understand
One of the things I noticed about that is that Transistor left me like wow that's a bittersweet ending while Pyre has a... happier ending (I got the full pacifist one) but I felt really sad because I was like I'm not going to know anything else about these characters. Maybe you could talk about the way it makes you feel attached to fictional characters and care about them as if they were real, which is also why liberation rites feel so hard because you have to choose someone you like but if you do you don't know anything else about them.
how does pyre top the ending of transistor, that features gur znva punenpgre'f qrngu? what is it about pyre that puts the cherry on top
also, i guess you could talk about how pyre makes use of concepts unique to video games to tell a story. most of the thought and creativity that went into writing pyre would've been lost if it was an anime or book or something
I think Pyre's strongest point is how you as a player feel like you belong to the game. It's made like a visual novel but unlike a visual novel you don't reach to the characters, they're the ones that reach to you and choosing who you want to know more about is done by being "mean" to them by not liberating them
through liberation, you lose a potentially good player in the rites or whatever, but you also lose a lot of character development, a lot of story.
I do like how in the 200 whatever million permutations of the ending, there are no "good" or "bad" endings. They're mostly satisfying in their own way, but there's also tradeoffs of all your choices, like how not everyone can go free, some people are going to end up apart, but most characters find ways to be happy wherever they end up and who they're with
i gave up nae pretty early on, and i felt bad reading about how she ends up not being just an inferior hedwyn and ends up being good. but everyone has a character they liberated early.
I remember on my ending I liberated Oralech and then, since it was pacifist, he just went up there and was like... ok. I felt that was kind of... disappointing and felt bad for not liberating my reader, so I reloaded the game and did that instead, then oh boy... wasn't expecting that turn xD
I guess I didn't really sympathize with him, like yeah, I understood him and I liberated him because I felt that it was the right thing to do, and expected him to do something impactful for the revolution so then it was kind of lackluster...
I think I like better the endings where he stays with Volfred and Ti'zo, even if it's on the Downside
Unless you get a non pacifist revolution he doesn't really do much in the Commonwealth, and it was kind of heartbreaking how Ti'zo and Volfred try to talk to him and be reasonable on the final rite
i mean, i failed against the fate and the tempers on my first playthrough
i was so mad and sad and i felt like i was actually letting down my team when we lost to the tempers because i didn't sympathize with ignarius, but i felt really good about losing to the fate because i did like dalbert and almer
I felt bad for winning against the fate
When Dalbert does that sad howling in the middle of the rite I was like omg my heart...
oh no ;-;
i will definitly replay pyre just to experience these moments again, it's been a year since i last played on my own (i did play with a friend not too long ago)
And even if they win it's still sad because now Almer is apart from his dad and he doesn't know what to do with himself on the other side
That too :_ D
When they lose they're like, you know, at least we're still together, that's what matters
Almer is such a good son ; ^ ;
in my playthrought almer and *ae got together
i was so happy for them like they are my children
I'm glad they get to be friends in the end
I regret not doing that, I liberated *ae first so I didn't get almost anything about her
oh, also the fact that you can only liberate those who are qualified which are the top level characters means that you have to make a sacrifice both in your relationship with the character (you know a lot about them and have a close connection) and gameplay-wise
Ah yes, that's also interesting, to liberate someone you need to play with them a lot which is probably because you like their playstyle and they kind of carry your games, but then only the ones you're good with are available for liberation
It really plays a lot with the concept of having to get rid of those who you like, either gameplay or story wise
yeah that's a really interesting and complex gameplay element, having to make that choice
okay then π you guys gave me a lot of good points i could talk about
and no matter what you do you end up with a broken heart and lots of used tissues
Good π
i have tons of time to make this so feel free to keep discussing and i'll keep up with it
I mean, good for Alternate Drifter, not good broken heart xD
i'm still stuck playing my 3rd playthrough because i can't bear the loss any more ;_______;
Seriously, I remember I stayed looking at that ending screen for minutes being like nooo I can't believe this is oveeer
Then finding out how small the fandom is broke my heart even more
same!
well i dont know why but we used to be barely 3 people here in israel who knew and loved the game, but because of the steam sale a lot of my friends are buying the games and i'm very happy
i hope my presentation will help others to get into it
I don't know anyone in my country that likes it, or in Europe for that matter (a part from my bf who is the one that got me to play it)
as someone who played the game when it was already almost a year old, I was surprised and delighted there was still a fandom at all
My friends don't seem to want to play it no matter how much I try to get them into it xD
I got a couple friends to play it \o/
I joined the fandom at the beginning of this year and it was basically seeing everybody moving onto other things
Now since the official discord opened it seems to be more people around, I never managed to get to really talk to others about it till recently soooo...
haha so when the game came out and i cosplayed Jodariel i had a photographer take some photos at a con, and i didn't know her at the time
she's known in the community as the best photographer but she doesn't release the photos for a long, long time
we became very good friends and it's been almost a year since then and i only got 2 photos from her (the one in my profile pic is one of them) and now she started to play Pyre and she said it's given her the motivation to edit more of my photos lol
there's always the Reader
she said she wants to do a gijinka (human version) of Ti'zo and I think it's brilliant
I would like something to go with my boyfriend xD
just draw a star on a cloak and maybe a Book and that's all you need
*ae and almer?
that would be adorable
I also wanted Hedwyn and Fikani but he says that he's not precious enough to be a good Hedwyn
Another option would be him as the Reader and me as Sandra
whaaaat what do you mean not precious enough!
that would be so cool tho
i dont think ive seen a fikani cosplay?
Sadly he kind of looks more like Lendel xDDD
hahahahaha
there's no good references of Fikani, all we get is a face shot
oh NO
I was also considering him being Lendel and me random Accusers nomad xD
at least he's not a manley
Look, he does a pretty good Manley impersonation, it's scary
Sometimes we kind of acted parts of the fic we wrote to see if it felt right, with him voicing Manley and I'm like thanks I hate it
how can you live with that monstrosity
OMG
that's so cool tho
I know right xD
Lendel's looks and Manley's voice is less scary than Manley's looks and Lendel's voice
When he reads all this he's gonna kill me xD
I like Manley though so it's ok
We're living together so I'll just tell him when he wakes up
"hey baby, you should go check out the mean but loving things i said about you in sgg"
I mean, he already knows everything I said but it will still be funny to see xD
now everyone in the discord knows his little talent
We were kind of considering recording some parts of the fic with him as Manley and me as the Reader
Ahh please yes
that would be cool
Now that we know that there's people interested in it we might do it! I felt a bit hesitant because I'm not a native english speaker so I do have a strong accent
But if people don't mind that then it's ok :_ D
well, you could say everyone in Pyre has some kind of an accent
That's true, I'll say it's Sahrian accent
if i made a pyre demake, would yall play it
Demake?
it's where you remake a game and retain all the core mechanics, but basically nothing else
Not sure I understand but I'm up for trying new things
the best example might be gang garrison 2, where they took tf2, made it 2d, and took out the alternate weapons and stuff
i guess removing nuance is the gist of it
So pyre but it's just the rites?
Rite Simulator 2018
Versus mode xD
Barker's post game basketball
like, instead of having 7 different kinds of characters, each with a variety of different stats, I'd have large, medium, and small
Basketdog.
yeah ill make em all dogs if youd prefer
i think i already have dog pixel art somewhere
It would be nice to make it as Barker's post game thing
it's basically
large: demons
small: imps, curs
medium: literally everyone else
But no one has different abilities I suppose
that's literally the team you start with
large do more damage and have big aura but are slow, only medium can shoot aura, and small go fast
med counters large, large counters small, and small counters med
wow it's almost like a game design
lol
also no character can jump, jump is replaced by a hum button that any character can do to hum to any song
or howl, i guess
interesting choice...
I'm gonna figure out whether i can make this game before i start asking for VA's or whatever, but it seems like y'all are good at that
I see Koishia has been giving me sweet compliments about my looks and voice xD
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Hey, who tuned in to see the Pyre stream a day or two ago?? π I did!!
IT WAS AWESOME!
does anyone have the font from pyre?
yes actually!
if you go to Steam>steamapps>common>Pyre>Content>Win>Fonts>en, you can see a full list of fonts used in the game
the vast majority, if not all of them (i think?) are free
p sure the textbox font is alegreya sc
are the non-free ones owned/created by sgg?
nah. don't think so
they may all be free tbh i just haven't checked them all and don't want to make unfounded promises
actually crimson text may be the standard textbox font? i could figure it out if i dug through a little bit but uhhhh @wide river which is which again
font gremlin to the rescue
i will project myself into your home and fill all your shoes with sugar i swear to god
what did i just walk into
ANYWAY,
on the sgg fans server sparrow's nickname has been pain imp
for like
ever
because they deliver gutpunch fic
yes indeed
but on sgg fans server i'm a mod and sparrow isn't
and i have the power to change people's nicknames
sparrow just called themself a font gremlin and i thought that would be a good update π
i feel like iβm missing so much Deep Loreβ’ from the og server
whether it's worth catching up on or not is really a personal preference lol
anyway @mild falcon which font in particular were you after
like from where in the game
sorry back
the part where you choose the triumverate and settings for pvp mode
oh, forgot, cant post pics
that's Alegreya SC, by the looks of things
yeah, i think it is
i posted the link up a little bit, past the old server lore lol
it's a free google font
looks good, thanks
pyre primarily uses Alegreya SC for headers, titles, stats, that sort of thing; Crimson Text for the main body of text in the biographies; IM Fell in dialogue (specifically the DW Pica variant i think but i could never get a 100% match regardless of which i tried); DK Northrumbria for the main body of the book of rites, but Kells SD for the title of each chapter of it
DK Northumbria is also the font used for the titles of the triumvirates on the victory screen after a rite
ok maybe the font gremlin moniker is accurate 
listen, i spent so long sitting in photoshop trying to pixel-by-pixel recreate screenshots
lmao
i feel like i've earned that name
if each mod gets an "x gremlin" name will it be even enough to go thru jcncnfmgm
if sgg disaproves im kidfing if theu dont im serious
i dont think we should gremlin here but nothing is stopping us from gremlinning in soup
i have to be lore gremlin though
π
anyone else Thinking about Deluge on this night
all ways
never
weve covered the entire spectrum of things you can think about
gilman has 4 emojos and deluge has none
Youβre absolutely right. We need a Deluge emote.
2 states of mind: thinking about deluge and avoiding thinking about deluge
thatβs it
are spoilers allowed in this channel
just checked the rules seems like its cool
i just beat pyre
loved the game
does anyone else feel like the oralech fight was a little disappointing
i was hoping for some kind of 3v1 boss fight version of the rites
hm
would've been weird to totally throw away some mechanics for the final boss
i mean they have done weird stuff with the mechanics
still dont know never got that far as my computer is way to old to run the game so i could only do until liberation rite
like when you first get the girl and your fighting the waves of enemies
sure, but that's a tutorial
true
final bosses should be a test of the skills you've made throughout the game or whatever
i guess
now that im done im interested in what characters were other peoples favorites
they should release stats on which characters were most commonly left behind
rukey and tizo was my favourites
although i liked all of the nightwings
and liked the characters in general
i liked tizo and jodi a lot
and sir gilman
the character design in the game is amazing
i sorta really liked barker and his gang as its sort of like me in being an anarchist sorta
http://venhediss.tumblr.com/post/143257338036/getwhelmed-hedwyn-go-ahead-pal-ask-anything
this post was made right after the first thirty minutes of Pyre were demo'd and i can't believe hedwyn just ALWAYS brushes you off like that lmfao
boy didn't change a bit
i remember thinking "oh that's just there so they can cut off the demo at a convenient point"
but, no,
the only person who never pushes you to the side is manley
what a sweetheart
always keeps his promises
god i love how wrong we were about everything before the game dropped
remember thinking sandra was just like a normal character because we only saw her in multiplayer and we thought iggy and barker were members of the beyonders
i only caught pyre 10 days before release and thought jodi was a dude


