yes’m can do
#pyre
lime turret
Ty!
barren topaz
I mean there's a bunch of little variations in each character's epilogues depending on who else ascended
thick carbon
I know the Pam/Tam ones is really good when theyre both libbed
lime mural
that too
thick carbon
I wonder if you just let all the other triumvirates ascend what happens
lime mural
war
thick carbon
Oh yeah
lime mural
@lime turret done ! remember when celeste asks you about your origin and purpose at the gate ? depending on what you pick , the dialgoue changes at the end when you liberate the reader
i thiiink in this playthrough i picked something along the lines of ”contributing to volfred s plan” , so at the very end , the game tells you that the reader helped form the sahrian union
well ,, i hope that was helpful 
my memory s kinda vague
there was nothing special about the dialogue btw , it was rather vague itself
lime mural
actually yeah i remember that’s what happens
its not ur memory, the game is just really vague about it 
barren topaz
I always thought it was weird how vague it is about the reader's ending even if you ascended and told Tariq you wanted to help make things better. Like you'd think they'd have some impact that people would remember
lime mural
i was hoping to see a bit of the commonwealth too ! but nah . all you get is really vague bits and pieces
wait uh.. ”so at the very end , the game tells you that the reader helped form the sahrian union”
is...is that all
legit
all
barren topaz
pretty much yeah
lime mural
it s kind of satisfactory despite the vagueness though
at least we got a clear idea on how most of the other characters end up doing
i wanted to see the commonwealth too 
barren topaz
it's Up To Interpretation (tm) so the player can imagine what all they got up to themselves I guess
lime mural
EXACTLY
all you see of the commonwealth is a... library
bro
i wanna see what s so good about this place
the library’s good enough i guess-
barren topaz
you can see a little bit out of the window
lime mural
you kinda realise it s best to not drag yourself down because that s all you re given and nothing more
yeah ! a bit outside the window
not enough
their buildings were really weird
i just think they re neat
do not , react,, with that emoji
yes’m 😂 sorry
wide river
good morning what a beautiful day to remember that hedwyn has never done anything wrong, ever, in his life
barren topaz
may he live on in glory
onyx forum
he stayed true to the end!
lime mural
morning
onyx forum
🌞 👋
barren topaz
so I'm finally starting to dig into the less immediately relevant lore bits in the Book, particularly the chapter about the titans, and it's certainly interesting all the creative ways the scribes defeated then all. From ramming a ship into it to dazing it with the glory of the stars, to an all out battle spanning seventeen months, to flying down its throat and choking it from the inside, to, my favorite, dropping 16,000 tons of beetle dung on it
apparently Jomuer refused to talk about how he set up that particular trap, though to be fair I wouldn't want to talk about my involvement with 16,000 tons of beetle crap either
onyx forum
scribes: haha wow jomuer how did u
jomuer: 🐶 🤐
barren topaz
I don't even want to think about how big the beetles get in the downside to produce that much crap
thick carbon
Figures the cur scribe would be the poo prank one
barren topaz
ha, Lu Sclorian alludes to it in his chapter about the landmarks. "But Jomuer, in his brashness, felled the monster with a certain flair." That's one way of looking at it? Sure I guess
thick carbon
Ah yes, my favorite Pyre man, Hedwyn Wasthere
thick carbon
Hedwyn Prevailed-Wasthere (he liked both of them)
onyx forum
hedwyn: volfred make me a buisness card
volfred: HEDWYN PREVAILED-WASTHERE: STRIDING THE PATH HIS HEART SETS BEFORE HIM
hedwyn: (thinks its offering cooking classes) thanks i love it i owe u my life
thick carbon
the BEST way to get people into your cooking class
spiral osprey
come to the cooking class! Hedwyn was there
onyx forum
oralech: brighton can you write a sign that says im a doctor, please?
brighton: KICK ME LOL
(years pass)
volfred: hey, you know that says KICK ME LOL right?
oralech: no, i cant read. can you fix it?
volfred: sure.
volfred: HOT DOCTOR HERE
(years pass)
(oralech learns to read)
spiral osprey
it worked and it's true, what else could you want :')
onyx forum
hdjcnfnfmcnx thats just the kind of sneaky planning u expect from 
(volfred signing his name) hm, i would write hot c. volfred sandalwood, but i dont like redundancy in my writings.
thick carbon
cmokin hot cap
barren topaz
I've been reading over a bit more of the Book of Rites and thinking way too hard about the logistics of it specifying there are 40 copies of said book. It stands to reason each team would get 4 copies, 3 for the triumvirate plus one in the event they have a separate Reader, but with there being nine officially recognized teams, that still leaves 4 unassigned copies. Do the Beyonders get a set? Were they left somewhere around Mt Alodiel in the event someone saw fit to create a splinter faction COUGHtruenightwings?
also nevermind that there are clearly more than four copies in the Nightwings' blackwagon...
spiral osprey
Are there??
onyx forum
i think so hmm
like in the blackwagon theres a bunch just sitting around
scribes: (writing the first copy) oh how fun and exciting!
scribes: (writing the 39th copy) 🙃
barren topaz
when everything's still piled on the floor you can only see 4, but when they're shelved there are at least 4 stacked next to each other plus the one that you interact with that's also propped against another one
spiral osprey
🤔
wide river
sorry it's blurry, this is a screenshot i took for conversation template purposes
but yeah you can see six in this shot
barren topaz
there's even another one in the row on the left that isn't always visible, so 7
spiral osprey
ghdjdjchfj nightwings hoarding all the books
onyx forum
maybe theyre in there to prepare for true nightwings
wide river
plot twist, that's why there's been no rites
onyx forum
oralech: (grabby hands towards the blackwagon)
wide river
because nobody else has any books
onyx forum
hfhjfjfhj
spiral osprey
true nightwings show up to that first rite with homemade books
wide river
hey speaking of the book of rites would anybody like a ridiculously large version of the interactable book?
onyx forum
is there writing in them? NO. but there is LOVE
barren topaz
the real reason Oralech infiltrated the wagon that one time
onyx forum
true nightwing's books is a bunch of drawings of angry oralech
wide river
what we didn't see was him stuffing all the extra books down the front of his raiments
onyx forum
hdfjfhjfjhfhm
wide river
also here have Large Booke
onyx forum
oralech wow the demonixation rly got u ur body is lumpy
wide river
barren topaz
nice
spiral osprey
fr i'm going to put this up to
doylist: it was an oversight
watsonian: Scribes is liars sometimes
onyx forum
scribes is a liars sometimes.........
spiral osprey
scribes: we made 40 books, not counting the 10 extra secret books we made for our favorite friends,
onyx forum
listen thers 8 of them at some point u make book after book and u simply loose track
"aw darn we all made extras" "uhhhh stuff em in nightwing pile"
spiral osprey
"never speak of this"
barren topaz
I'd actually believe that
and the copy we read is just inaccurate
Solium writing the 41st copy: Hey Lu, how many of these have we completed so far?
Lu: uhh...
onyx forum
lu: twenty
barren topaz
Wait there's definitely more than 40 now, I'll just correct that in this one and say there's more than 40 in my chapter
They had some extra Yslach hide they needed to use up
onyx forum
lol yes
thick carbon
**** yeah brother!!!!!! (oops this is the no swear server)
barren topaz
More adventures reading the book of rites. From the page about slugmarkets: "They lust for coins, for the Imperial Sol, though why, they do not say. We speculate it is a delicacy." Does Falcon Ron eat money???
barren topaz
I didn't need to think about the possibility of slugs digesting coins, Jomuer
spiral osprey
Maybe they like shave them down and use them as a condiment
Way ahead of the curve on bougie food
barren topaz
so like the gold encrusted pizza I heard apparently exists, albeit for no other reason than to be as flagrantly expensive as possible?
spiral osprey
yes
barren topaz
this still frames falcon ron/ slugs as whole in a way I don't think I'm comfortable with, though to be honest the less we know for certain about falcon ron the better
lunar flame
Fav
spiral osprey
These prices are worth getting washed down a river for
barren topaz
monopoly pyre edition, ron is the winner by default, somehow
next girder
@SGG bring us a SGG crossover boardgame
"Do not pass the Shimmerpool do not collect 200 Sol"
wait
Old currency is called Sol
New currency is Lum
Sol-Lum
Sollum
Soliam
Scribes Confirmed for currency lords
barren topaz
omg I never even noticed the new currency was called lum
spiral osprey
It's called Lun, actually - like sol and luna, sun and moon
which makes you wonder about the new currency for the sahrian union lol
stars i guess?
it'd be a little awkward to name your currency after the stars when you watched them all burn out
<Text Id="GoldAlt" DisplayName="Lun" Description="The legal tender of the {$Keywords.Commonwealth} of Sahr." />
the only place you really see it come up in-game is in the settling of Rukey's debt
spiral osprey
valid
barren topaz
I also choose to believe that Soliam's phonetic similarity to sol/lun = sun/moon is not a coincidence. That's a good observation and fits with the symbolism of the game
next girder
The moon: Appears in the sky before sunset
Celeste, from the Gate: TARIQ YOU FIX THIS RIGHT NOW
spiral osprey
the real reason they work different shifts
next girder
An eclipse is just one of them aggressively shoving the other out of the way
weary reef
im here
onyx forum
hewwo
weary reef
catboy ramsay
onyx forum
gordon nyamsey...
weary reef
i say logan did a REALLY good job on voicing him. hes so impactful and petty hehe
onyx forum
YEAHHH he rly did
wide river
rrrrrrreader!!
weary reef
and as a character, i enjoy his weird shenanigans and how he tries to bring the reader down
its kinda cute
onyx forum
it REALY is hhh
lime mural
Muna you get me...
onyx forum
🤝
lime mural
This time a triumvirate of me , kam and muna ”the brightobs”
onyx forum
he rly out there thinking he matters so much to the nightwings and just puts up tantrum after tantrum
gjhjkhlkjhlhlk brightblobs
do ur blobby emote and then 
onyx forum
👏
weary reef
booby? should i call you that? whos your fav? :3
onyx forum
hey hey muna what do u think of...................tariq 
🎵
lime mural
Oh heavens muna isn t it obvious
Im enamoured with the little big garbage man brightom
onyx forum
any size any place any where.............. garbage man
weary reef
booby, i thought so haha ~~ rare to find people who think of him as a fav
in fact i think you’re the second person i met who favors him
and kamila, tariq is such a great character, where do i even begin omg he has the best voice and design ever
he’s just really soft in general i love him
onyx forum
aj is..............divisive jgjkgjkgkjgjk
whether u lov or hate him is valid imo bc hes just so...Like That
AAAA GOOD.......I LOV HIM TOO
weary reef
HEDWYN IS SUCH A GOOD CHARACTER i felt so comfortable every time he talked to me when i first played the game
like i actually felt intimidated by jodariel but each time he spoke to me it felt really reassuring
wide river
excellent
lime mural
SAME
wide river
i can put away the 
then :V
onyx forum
gkjgkhklhlk
lime mural
While we re speaking of jodi.. what s your opinion on her 
onyx forum
🐑 💪 💕
weary reef
she was a bit fierce and got my sensitive fragile self scared! but she grew on me and i quickly started to love her
onyx forum
awwwwww <3333
twilit juniper
what do you think of.......... pamitha
lime mural
Muna you....you cute
weary reef
aaaa//
twilit juniper
i agree
wide river
she lovs u too
onyx forum
aaaAAWWW
weary reef
I LOVE PAM SO MUCH she’s really sweet to the reader and i never felt discomfort with her
ngl she’s rEaLlY sExY too hehe
twilit juniper
DFJJDJDKDKD
lime mural
👀
twilit juniper
same,,,
onyx forum
🐦 💦
twilit juniper
how about,,, sandra,,
digital drum
wrife
onyx forum
tariq also loves u too btw...never 4get supertariqlovers 2k17
WRIFE
oh i didnt tell it here but i found n bought a lil green circle crystal yesterday...........mini wife <33
wide river
get a gold sharpie and draw a star on it for True Wife Status
weary reef
wrife indeed ❤ sandra despite being bossy i loved her from the start and it amused me how she switched from being mean to really sweet and vice versa
but she got me really worried there haha
thick carbon
tariq lovers unite
onyx forum
oooo!!
wide river
we already united!
twilit juniper
@onyx forum i need a picture of that please
wide river
[chants] orb wife orb life
weary reef
:0 that really looks like sandra’s orb
thick carbon
oops dropped the wife
digital drum
onyx forum
i rolled her on the keyboard she has something to say
a9fv
digital drum
i love you too sandra
sacred lark
lmfao saba are we just calling you booby now
onyx forum
sabooby...
sacred lark
sabooby...
onyx forum
sababby............................
wide river
sbooby boo
sacred lark
she is a sababby
wide river
POINTS LOUDLY @weary reef would you like to see a mod i am working on
onyx forum
spell saba would say if she was a witch:
✨ sabooby sababby sbooby boo...............brighton pyre kisses you ✨
weary reef
oh your name isn’t booby sorry @lime mural ;;
onyx forum
HFHJKFGKJGKJGJK
weary reef
sparrow, sure!
sacred lark
sparrow, sidling up in a trench coat: hey. you kids wanna try some mods
onyx forum
hfggjkgjkgkj yes
lime mural
hwat is happenig
onyx forum
magic...
wide river
listen
listen i'm... i can't even refute that
that is exactly how i am
anyway heeeere~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vWRUOqrapY
onyx forum
theyre good mods tho
sacred lark
get em into it early
wide river
(pls forgive the fact that the conversation is clearly taking place right before the final liberation rite,, it's just for testing purposes)
there's a bunch of info on what/why in the description of the video
weary reef
omg sparrow that’s such a well done mod
i wouldn’t have guessed :0 looks like something that is originally there
wide river
yessss
weary reef
so you’ve done this by manipulating(?) the game script..?
wide river
that's always the goal
basically!
the game's scripts for calling certain conversations at certain times can be edited
and i can also add in entirely new lines of text, as well as editing what's already there
for example, i was working on a similar mod that would add an entirely new conversation between mae and tariq, lemme find the video
simple prawn
oh another brighton woobifier? saba why didnt you tag me
lime mural
they just said they were fascinated with his voice and personality idk
onyx forum
gotta stick together....its a cold world out there
🌬 🌬 <- (ppl who like aj huddling for warmth)
wide river
huddled in the cold~ backs against the storm~ the timid and the bold~ keep each other warm~
twilit juniper
gooble gobble
lapis drum
I have always been an avid fan of the
onyx forum
v nice 🍊
twilit juniper
young folio
onyx forum
please stop ing for aj hes getting too powerful. he broke out of the commonwealth and hes on his way here
lunar flame
his hair is floating now of its own accord
lime mural
i like walking into this conversation
onyx forum
hdnfnfnf
onyx forum
just realized the area im in is nihiland.....or does it even matter ............
spiral osprey
"Nowhere" had already been taken as a place name lol
onyx forum
should i shave rukey vote now 🐶 or 
....im gonna shave him just to see what he does but reload the checkpoint hdnfng
HFBFNFBC THE NOISE HE MAKES
lime mural
don t hurt his feelings 
midnight hawk
:(
onyx forum
RUKEY BABEY IM SO SORRY IM RELOADING MY SAVE RN
thick carbon
OH NO.... HES JUST... DOG
lime mural
Just in case he runs out of funds
onyx forum
he prob says he lost it in a fight but rly is just missing a tooth
spiral osprey
tariq is often Someplace Else
arctic fjord
yeah he's hangin with me srry
onyx forum
excellent perfect i wont disturb his date
arctic fjord
mod that replaces Someplace Else with k3lp's house
onyx forum
YES YES YES
dusk current
ask me your quacktions
lime mural
what s.... your opinion on... the archjustice ,,,
dusk current
he..... rude
midnight hawk
rude boy
lime mural
that s true
onyx forum
that s a rude?
dusk current
would be good at selling oxiclean, has the pipes for it
midnight hawk
that s a rude
lime mural
that s a rude archjustice
onyx forum
HFNCNC TRU....
midnight hawk
i would buy oxiclean from aj
lime mural
caitlin.. what s your opinion on Lendel
onyx forum
caitlin....what do u think of.....tizo
lime mural
midnight hawk
lmfao
lime mural
caitlin i like you a lot already
dusk current
😄
lime mural
what do you think of jodi 
dusk current
jodi could snap my spine over her knee and I would eek out a thank you with my last breath
but also she wouldn't, she would hug me with her burly arms and I would cry, because I'd feel safe and loved
somber ingot
thank u for letting my eyes read that
dusk current
welc my pleasure
neat citrus
oh thats a really really really good post op
onyx forum
im so glad ur at sgg
neat citrus
since ur at sgg can u tell jodi i love her
thick carbon
its a well known fact jodi works at sgg
neat citrus
it is
shes been employee of the month for all the months
and she will continue to be employee of the month for the rest of the months
onyx forum
pyre was made about jodi supergiant
thick carbon
employee of the i n f i n i t e
neat citrus
pyre was made by jodi supergiant
somber ingot
can confirm im the frame around jodis photo that hangs on the EotM wall
dusk current
already told jodi you love her, can confirm she loves you all too
dusk current
We're desk neighbors, it's chill
somber ingot
im crying....................
neat citrus
oh i am just sobbing
dusk current
welc! ❤
onyx forum
u ask her to pass u a pencil, she snaps it in half by mistake,
dusk current
Was there... ever any doubt Jodi loves every single one of you?
onyx forum
only doubt in ouraelves....
neat citrus
💍
next girder
I just realized Jodi has no sleeves bc she flexed so hard they just can't hold it together
onyx forum
but now we Know
next girder
Jodariel is a blessing and I'd like to thank the Scribes for her
dusk current
I unfortunately cannot speak to Jodi's romantic availability, that's her private business and I'm a bit too new to have delved into that with my desk neighbor. 😔
onyx forum
aawwww....youll get there
dusk current
office politics, you know how it is
neat citrus
fair thank u very muh
neat citrus
its enough 2 kno that she knos i love her
lime mural
as long as it s not iggy im OK
onyx forum
iggy.....who ig he.............
spiral osprey
Hey Caitlin? Same @ jodi
dusk current
I've yet to meet anyone who differs on Jodi opinion, and frankly I would be frightened of them.
somber ingot
disliking jodi is not allowed
spiral osprey
Look
If you don't love Jodi I'm just not sure you understood the game
(everyone entitled to their own opinion of course ghdkdjgjf)
I love everyone and I love Jodi especially and I feel like it's a cruel trick that SGG allowed me to confess to her JUST so she could tell me no
Why crush my dreams like that
somber ingot
i cried for 20 minutes
spiral osprey
Like, listen. I love Sandra too of course, of course, but. Come on.
If you're going to tell me no no matter what......why give me the option..... 😢
spiral osprey
i couldn't tell anybody else i loved them tho
i love all the nightwings and i never got to tell them
this is just unfair and cruel
spiral osprey
:'(
To counteract this I'd like to emphasize again that even if the blackwagon is bigger on the inside there's no way everyone fits in there comfortably, so between like, the forest and the summit of mt. alodiel everyone would be packed like downsardines
neat citrus
downsardines......
bitter tendon
they can possibly fit four more people inside the orb
somber ingot
i pretty much combined the concept art and the canon design in my head
neat citrus
she has to enter sideways
spiral osprey
Sideways and hunched over
barren topaz
mm, good Jodi appreciation in here
lavish ridge
YES
she is
very good
i cosplayed her at pax east this year and it was a good time
but tbh everyone in pyre is...also very good
regal sigil
My life for Sandra. 😢
rough gulch
Everyone knows Pamitha is the best, even Sandra. 😜
foggy lily
jodi best girl
heavy hill
everyone forgets about umdildhe
lavish ridge
i hear all these names in archduke’s voice now aajsdjgkwka
swift agate
I can feel civil war rising
rough gulch
#pyre @heavy hill I'm afraid she's already in a long term loving relationship with Y*lach.😥
young folio
i would never forget about udmildhe, the true best girl of the game
regal sigil
Dat hunchback. 
young folio
:(
rough gulch
All joking aside, Sandra is the very best.
regal sigil
Yess
copper vault
Jodariel all the way
rough gulch
Shae is the cutest, however.
scarlet kettle
i named her rhae ;w;
copper vault
Fae is the cutest but Jodariel is amazing
regal sigil
I love Jodariel but my heart breaks for Sandra
sacred lark
also at this juncture i would like to throw out some love for everyone's favorite lowkey hot mess revolutionary, volfred sandalwood
rough gulch
She's a perfect cinnamon roll.
open fulcrum
Can we just raise some snakes for the biggest Bertrude of the game?
scarlet kettle
did anyone mention pamitha yet
young folio
i am Raising Those Snakes! love bertrude
scarlet kettle
can we just take a moment to appreciate everyone in this game and how they all deserve love and happiness
swift agate
I fell in love with moon girl
scarlet kettle
also @open fulcrum is your icon kel’thuzad? lol
rough gulch
Sir Gillman is pretty great.
open fulcrum
Yeh, it's a carbot KT
rich sequoia
Everyone deserves all the love ❤
scarlet kettle
yes
so, who did you guys end up releasing? i put off finishing the game for MONTHS because i was so stressed i’d mess up and get a bad ending lol
lime mural
I love the Wyrms
rich sequoia
I released *ae first and I had to go through Jodi making me feel even worse for that u_u
rough gulch
@rich sequoia Well, except Manley and Lendel.
scarlet kettle
i left bertrude, volfred, and moontouched girl behind iirc
bertrude because she seemed chill just in the downside
volfred so he could stay with his demon husband (except i accidentally killed him my first try whoops)
and rhae because i wanted her to stay with almer
rich sequoia
Listen, don't talk trash about my trash tree...wait...
sacred lark
manley and lendel are my faves ok can't even front
scarlet kettle
the dissidents are the best triumvirate dont @ me
sacred lark
or, with your enlightened brain, dark volfred and dark oralech
open fulcrum
None of you know the true depths of Sir Deluge, author extraordinaire.
young folio
splat youre right and you should say it
in my heart.... all triumvirates are best triumvirates
scarlet kettle
i stan barker ashpaws
young folio
we are barker stans first and exiles second!
young folio
hes good i love him
rough gulch
People who didn't free both Pamitha and Tamitha should delete the game.
slender chasm
I had to free Iggy 2nd playthrough
open fulcrum
Yas, free the insecure buff boi
scarlet kettle
ok i freed pamitha but i didnt want to because she was the only character i was good at playing
you could just dunk over the pyre ez
snow kindle
;w;
rich sequoia
Pamitha ended up carrying my games, I think she was the last one I freed
young folio
the people who stayed down in my first playthrough were pamitha, mae, gilman and tizo
scarlet kettle
i freed myself because i’m selfish and i wanted to stay with my bffs
young folio
oh and the reader stayed too
copper vault
Jodi is currently the only one carrying my team so I don't want to free her but also I do
scarlet kettle
i freed hedwyn first but i regret it because i never learned his backstory in-game lol
young folio
i freed oralech
scarlet kettle
i freed jodi second and i cried
i didnt free oralech because i wanted him to be with volfred
young folio
ahah if you play enough times you can learn it :')
scarlet kettle
but I ACCIDENTALLY KILLED HIM
young folio
OH JEEZ.
rich sequoia
Hedwyn was breaking my heart with birb girlfriend and I liberated him to stop the pain ;_;
young folio
volfred was free so i got an ending with both of them in the commonwealth
it was touching
open fulcrum
Hedwyn's back story, aka "I might have gotten my squad killed for some birb tail"
open fulcrum
He's a cinnamon roll don't kill me
scarlet kettle
he is
young folio
Do Not Separate Them
they need to work out some issues and im putting them in the get along shirt until they talk about it
scarlet kettle
lol
upbeat swift
Ah, Pyre, my favorite and least favorite game from Supergiant. It left me very ambivalent
wide river
i would kill for hedwyn and i would die for him
upbeat swift
Pls don't kill and then die, or die and then kill
opal bane
I spent like 60% of the game convinced that Hedwyn was going to betray me or something because he was too adorable.
scarlet kettle
no hes just wholesome
rich sequoia
I had that feeling but with Dalbert
tender geyser
Quick question is spoiler talk allowed? Have a question but don't want to spoil anything for anyone
rich sequoia
It says on the top that spoilers are ok so I guess?
opal bane
Spoilers are allowed in specific game channels but not general chats
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tender geyser
Just read the readme answered my own question lol.
lavish ridge
Yeah Dalbert is the best dog dad
rich sequoia
Dadbert
rough gulch
Dilbert
upbeat swift
Yea, Pyre is an odd one for me, I like it, but at the same time, I don't. I kind of expected some sort of 180 by the end of the game, but that never happens
lavish ridge
DADBERT INDEED
upbeat swift
You also think characters want to mislead you, but that also doesn't happen so much as I'd expect
lavish ridge
everyone in that wagon is my best friend
rich sequoia
Yeah I spent half the game thinking what plot twist it would have, suspecting everyone and then it was like oh, everybody is mostly how they presented themselves first... 🤔
upbeat swift
Especially Sandalwood. Somehow I'm expected to go along with his plan, and he seems like the shadiest guy of the bunch. I have my PLAN(tm)
lavish ridge
The Plan™
upbeat swift
However, the most interesting part of the game is most definitely the interactions between the characters, the soundtrack, and a lot of the little things, like the animations. The choice is also very interesting
but it's also weird in this way;
You never seem to get the full backstory for the characters you send off first
lavish ridge
Mmmmmmmmm I love how the credits song reflects who you liberated
young folio
yeah thats why its a tough choice to liberate people
lavish ridge
YEAH
scarlet kettle
bound together wounded me emotionally
opal bane
I think that's supposed to fit into that theme of "Make your choice and move on with the consequences"
rich sequoia
Yeah, as I said before, I ended up loving all the characters, even the morally questionable ones :_ D
young folio
you want the story but if you got attached, you also want to give them their freedom
lavish ridge
^^^
scarlet kettle
in the end i was ok with the choices i had made but i still wanted everyone to be able to go free
opal bane
I loved Jodi and sent her out first, and missed her the whole rest of the game, but I was still happy that she got out first.
Super bummed I didn't get to see the rest of her interactions with Pamitha though
scarlet kettle
i released hedwyn, then jodi, then rukey
young folio
theres so much in this game
wide river
i kept hedwyn until the second to last rite because i loved him, but wrote an entire gotdang fic about the concept that doing so is really kind of sad
lavish ridge
When I tried the game on my friend’s PS4, I liberated Hedwyn first and immediately regretted it
young folio
has anyone else here done a run where you intentionally lose absolutely every rite?
and also are kinda evil?
lavish ridge
I’m doing hard mode and am currently accidentally losing every rite so does that count
rich sequoia
I wanted to, but I read that not much changes so meh...
young folio
oh a lot changes
wide river
i'm planning on doing that for my true nightwings run bc i'm not good enough to do it otherwise, lmao
rich sequoia
It does?
young folio
and you get everyones stories
upbeat swift
The other thing that's very odd, and maybe that's just a supergiant thing. The downside is described as this horrible horrible place, yet the company you have in the wagon makes it seem like a jolly ol ride; you can barely stay anywhere, most food is inedible even if you attempt to cook it, the many different areas have different problems that make them unlivable. Some parts of Bastion and Pyre are far more depressing on the surface than things in Pyre. You really need to think about it, because everytime Tizo comes on screen, it's like OH MY GOD IT'S TIZO HE'S SO CUTE.
young folio
yeah sparrow it was my TN run too!
lavish ridge
It’s weird because I swear I’m doing better with my True Nightwings on PS4 than my hard mode on PC lmao
upbeat swift
The visuals also make the downside feel somewhat surreal, and not necessarily in a bad way; the colors are very vivid and lifelike
scarlet kettle
like i was playing with the idea of throwing every single rite and seeing what happened but I CANT DO THAT TO MY CHILDREN
lavish ridge
TIZO
young folio
i did all the trials just to refuse sandra, and it sure did hurt
lavish ridge
MY BOI
rich sequoia
Oh yeah, that's a good point, maybe I will. I was planning to start streaming in the next month or so so that could be something I could do. Streamer loses the game on purpose.
scarlet kettle
i never did hedwyn’s trial cause i freed him too early rip
young folio
game overs are a failure of the game designer
wide river
did y'all know that sandra has a modified epilogue if you never interact with the beyonder crystal, even when tariq gives you it and the game tries to nudge you into clicking
lavish ridge
Oh what
wide river
mhm
young folio
oh what
lavish ridge
I didn’t know this!!!
opal bane
That's horrifying
upbeat swift
I believe I lost one of the liberation rites on purpose. Because Pamitha more or less blatantly begs you to free her sister. On second thought, that was a horrible decision LOL.
young folio
spoilers are ok!
scarlet kettle
@wide river what is it???
wide river
it follows the same as the normal epilogue, but when it talks about what might've happened to the crystal....
Others remain skeptical that the Beyonder Crystal ever existed, or, rather, that the visions that it granted were anything other than the result of an active imagination or a fever dream.
Indeed, none of the exiles of the Nightwings ever provided a conclusive account of having encountered this Sandra the Unseeing, nor anyone matching her specific description.
To them, the Beyonder Crystal, if it even existed, was likely just another of the many objects in the Downside best left untouched.
yeah its what i did bc pamitha made me cry so i figured that reaction means i gotta
scarlet kettle
CRI
young folio
oof
upbeat swift
And then if you free Pamitha as well, her sister breaks one of her wings if I recall over their family feud.
lavish ridge
F
scarlet kettle
i took the crystal with me when i left the downside
upbeat swift
Very violent family
wide river
yup, that she does
lavish ridge
That epilogue hurt
scarlet kettle
i just like imagining myself carrying around this big green bowling ball wherever i go
wide river
there's also a very minor text change if you free volfred in the final rite
opal bane
I loved the sorta-kinda-relationship you can build with Sandra
rough gulch
At least they're on speaking terms after the broken wing incident.
lavish ridge
Oh!! What!!
opal bane
My Reader ended up staying with her in the Downside
wide river
and i mean incredibly minor, it's literally just a change of wording
but it's neat that that's something the game accounts for anyway
rich sequoia
I know you're all going to hate me for this, but I took the crystal and tried to sell it to Ron (disclaimer: I ended up really liking Sandra, please don't kill me)
upbeat swift
I was very hurt by two things; the fact that I freed the 3 starting characters (Hedwyn, Rukey, and Jodariel) but that in the end, I can't keep my promise with them because I let Oralech go. And that by separating Sandalwood and Oralech, the latter realizes that the former meant no harm to him and sees what he intended to do, but the both of them never meet again.
lavish ridge
Did you know that if you ring the dinner bell too much while Rukey’s still in the Downside he’ll eventually get pissed and take out the thing that makes it ring for the rest of the game
upbeat swift
Bad decisions were made
wide river
you can't sell the crystal, no.
lavish ridge
Good
rich sequoia
In my defense I'll say that she encourages it xD
young folio
i love how immersive this game is
rich sequoia
When she said "you could find someone interested in buying it" I was like omg Ron
lavish ridge
gwai taish
young folio
in my first playthrough i didnt think once about keeping a character because gameplay, i was just in full MY FRIENDS NEED THEIR FREEDOM mode
rich sequoia
Spoilers: you can't sell her
young folio
and i was freeing people based only on the plan and how well they would do up there
upbeat swift
Pyre is an odd one, because while there's a lot of negative things I can say about the game, there's a lot of things that I really like, whereas Bastion and Transistor, I tend to be a lot less ambivalent. Mayhaps that's the result of having this odd experimental gameplay, that's what makes the game special by all rights.
opal bane
So this is probably a stupid question, but is it actually possible to complete Volfred's plan of freeing someone to "match" each Scribe? I don't remember how many people you can free vs how many Scibes there were.
young folio
..until i threw a match for tamitha because pam asked nicely
opal bane
The whole "So and so was praised as So and So reborn" thing
I'm planning a replay soon
young folio
no, you cant free everyone :(
wide river
also if anyone's curious as to what the minor change is:
if you free someone who isn't volfred (this text just uses the reader for convenience)
They found the Commonwealth in a state of unrest. Spurred by the efforts of [number] liberated exiles, Volfred Sandalwood's revolutionary Plan had incited the masses. These exiles, and the starless sky, portended the return of the Scribes.```
if you free volfred:
```That night, Volfred Sandalwood returned to the Commonwealth. He was to be the last. The stars had faded, and the cycle of the Rites had run its course.
He found the Commonwealth in a state of unrest. Spurred by the efforts of his agents, Sandalwood's revolutionary Plan had incited the masses. His arrival, and the starless sky, portended the return of the Scribes.```i freed myself and not volfred because: 1. i wanted one reader to go and one to stay 2. i wanted volfred to stay with oralech and 3. I WANTED TO KEEP MY PROMISE TO MY BEST FRIENDS AND IM SELFISH AND WANTED TO SEE THEM AGAIN
lavish ridge
You can’t free everyone but the Plan will be successful if you free someone every Liberation Rite
wide river
well, the plan's always successful
lavish ridge
Volfred and Oralech need to be together always imo
wide river
how many nightwings you liberate dictates how violent it is
upbeat swift
You can't I think. There aren't enough liberation rites. The book explains a lot about the scribes, but some of it is a bit wishy washy. I don't know if the book is supposed to be an accurate re-enactment or some embellished story.
I'd go with the latter
scarlet kettle
yeah the ”bad ending” is a bloody revolution iirc
opal bane
I freed Volfred and Oralech ended up dying. I felt awful, but I thought the Plan was the most important thing.
scarlet kettle
i accidentally killed oralech because i won the rite
opal bane
Yeah. I REALLY wanted to let him go, but all I could think was "Can I take that risk?"
upbeat swift
Oralech is a filthy cheater, just like the other triumvirates!
They all cheat on the liberation rites, it's unreal
opal bane
Who knew that NBA Purgatory Simulator 2017 could be so complicated
lavish ridge
tbf tho, he HAS been practicing the rites for a long time
onyx forum
he WAS nerfed. he fell off a mountain how much more nerfed can you get gjhgjkgjkgkjg
lavish ridge
nooooooooo
upbeat swift
lmao
opal bane
"While you talked to your friends in a wagon, I studied the rites."
upbeat swift
poor oralech getting dunked on
onyx forum
if he were any more nerfed hed be dead
scarlet kettle
oh wait
onyx forum
no no...today...he is doing the dunk ing
scarlet kettle
autumn flax
scarlet kettle
they are so badass
wide river
@lavish ridge you're welcome 📝
upbeat swift
I really don't know what was the idea behind the book. Other supergiant games also tend to make you play stuff "after" it happened, but Pyre turns that up to 11, and you have a whole book of "HERE'S ALL THAT HAPPENED", and some of it seems more interesting than what happens at the moment. I can't help but feel that's a very conscious decision.
lavish ridge
IT’S SO GOOD
wide river
here is the large version
onyx forum
ty sparrow for and
lavish ridge
I think the book is more like “you don’t NEED this to enjoy the game, but if you like worldbuilding, then here’s something for you”
scarlet kettle
interact to tell him to please be quiet
lavish ridge
i love the discount he offers you before the last rite
with the confirmation text of “great.”
upbeat swift
I find that line kind of weird. I always thought that to enjoy supergiant's games, you need to read the dialogue to get a grasp on what's going on. For instance, in Transistor, you have to use the abilities you get to get extra text on characters in the game, and sometimes this text is a good indication of why things are the way they are, or why certain things happened.
autumn flax
i never told ron to be quiet, what happens if you do
gloomy sphinx
Ron.... have you guys sold your talismans by accident?
scarlet kettle
he bes quiet LUL
lime mural
he just stops moaning
scarlet kettle
and you can click him again to make him awake again
young folio
i dont think i sold them on accident
autumn flax
I figured he'd get upset and not gimme good deals if I bothered him
lavish ridge
Nah
scarlet kettle
if you tell him to be quiet you will catch my hands
let ron be who he wants to be
lavish ridge
He just sleep
young folio
but i had a playthrough where i got a ton of money and never bought anything but stardust
lavish ridge
I also love that one part where if you help him out your stats go down
wide river
make it rain?
gloomy sphinx
It cannot be returned, you need to repurchase it
upbeat swift
I guess the biggest difference between Pyre and the other games' text is how impersonal the book in Pyre feels. You're reading on this big legend that kind of relates to the environment, but not the characters themselves sothereof, I also mentioned something about the book feeling like it's embellished.
young folio
oh i forgot i cant upload images hold on
upbeat swift
The world in Pyre is very old. You travel around and you can see the carcasses of these giant titans, which are supposedly the cause of a bunch of the natural disasters that make the land unhabitable.
scarlet kettle
and they are hella cool
young folio
scarlet kettle
my favorite one is the scorpion, the spring of jomuer i think
young folio
this is the most money i got in a run
upbeat swift
And it makes you wonder whether the titans actually existed in the form they're presented as in the book, or if they were written as fables to explain these natural phenomenon.
That's a bit rich I suppose considering the exiles follow the stars to play fantasy football rites
young folio
i think that was a reason i liked pyre so much
scarlet kettle
well i dunno where else you could find a giant scorpion skeleton if it didnt exist
young folio
for once, youre not the leader of something, or the cause of something big happening
but youre part of it
scarlet kettle
i think thats a common theme in supergiant games
upbeat swift
The titans did exist, but the way you read about them feels more like you're reading about a legend, and you can't really say whether the weather sucks is because of the titans or if it was likened to the titans due to how impressive they are size-wise.
hexed pagoda
So essentially I want to talk about how Pyre sets up a really neat situation where, no matter what you choose, you have a bunch of stories that work really well as thematic parallels to each other.
And I'm trying to remember how all of the character arcs can play out
the focal point of what I'm going to focus on is Tariq and Celeste
they represent the sun and the moon and can only meet during the eclipse (the liberation rite), and it's unconfirmed as to whether they end up defying destiny basically at the end
and a lot of the other character arcs mirror this
scarlet kettle
its unclear even what they are as well, since during the end credits song they say something like “we return to the stars”
hexed pagoda
I kinda think they're literally mortal avatars of the sun and moon, given how old Tariq is supposed to be
but that's just speculation
Anyway, Hedwyn's arc has major thematic parallels, as does the Reader's if they engage with Sandra
Trying to remember if there are any others that kind of fit into that
upbeat swift
In the same way that the scribes are the original exiles. Each of the scribes has a chapter that they wrote in the book, but it seems like each one of them fells a titan singlehandedly. The scribes feel more like a religion that exiles would tell each other.
lavish ridge
that’s the vibe i got from it tbh
pyre has a lot of religious parallels from what i noticed
upbeat swift
The book seems more like a set of instructions for the reader to eventually become a voice for the rites, to instruct the exiles on the path to freedom.
lavish ridge
some of the garb they wear in the rites is similar to what a priest would wear
i noticed this when i was at church for easter actually
wide river
i mean, that's exactly what the book is
lavish ridge
fantasy bible
wide river
the book is supposed to guide the one who reads it into becoming a better person
remember, literacy wasn't banned at the time the book was written
upbeat swift
The scribes are mostly orally transmitted legends. I think of it like the old folk tales in Europe. The Wild Hunt (no, not the witcher you silly people!) is a fairly common legend that was passed down and interpretations changed throughout territories. Over here in Quebec, it became "La Chasse-Galerie" or rather "The Flying Canoe", whichever way you want to look at it.
wide river
the scribes intended that those who were exiled would carry the teachings of the book back to the surface and share them with others - hence the focus on those who return to the surface being worthy
upbeat swift
Yea, another thing you can see is how all the members of the nightwings get offered these lofty positions in society when returning from exile, all of them refuse, even the shadier ones like Rukey, who would otherwise take advantage of it.
bitter tendon
somewhat apropos of this, i just saw on twitter a image of a manuscript written in gold on black vellum -- i legit thought it was a screencap of the book in Pyre at first glance
upbeat swift
That does look very similar!
hexed pagoda
I'm shamelessly stealing the idea of a prison dimension where escaping grants you social status
completely different context/tone, but the concept is just too good
upbeat swift
I suppose the design of the books is also very interesting, much like these old manuscripts, the book of rites seems to be made out of rigid or at the very least extravagant material.
wide river
it's bound in the hide of yslach :D
young folio
and yslachs blood is the ink, no
upbeat swift
Well, I mean, you can drink the blood of christ and consume his body. Doesn't mean what you drink/consume are either of those things really.
lavish ridge
actually catholicism is weird and does believe you are actually eating the body and blood after they’ve been blessed at mass
upbeat swift
But the fact that it lights up and is somewhat magical gives credence to that idea, even if it's left up in the air
wide river
the exact quote is: They later used Yslach's own hide and ichor to bind the Book of Rites.
upbeat swift
I'll throw in some LEDs in a book and proclaim that it's made by a godly entity!
Magic
lavish ridge
that’s the spirit
upbeat swift
If anybody at supergiant reads this and I'm very wrong, I will be embarrassed for ages.
wide river
in greek mythology, the gods were said to have an ethereal fluid called ichor in their veins instead of blood
tariq's eyes are compared to the bindings of the book of rites, too
young folio
upbeat swift
Tariq and Celeste are something of interest to me
they both have instruments and sing the various deeds of the triumvirates
which leads us back to the legends being passed down orally I suppose.
hexed pagoda
They're MIA in between rites though, right?
upbeat swift
And they complete the astral theme by representing the sun and the moon.
lavish ridge
Ooo
upbeat swift
Seems like it, yea, they vanish and are left ambiguous
hexed pagoda
I'm like 95% sure the condition for a liberation rite is the eclipse because of this
upbeat swift
We do know however that Tariq has been with the Nightwings since before Sandalwood was around.
The other thing that's interesting, I suppose
Is how the exiles look up to the stars for guidance, while being liberated is also related to ascension.
Becoming one with the stars, something along those lines, since people returning to the commonwealth usually don't come back down.
subtle robin
@hexed pagoda The thought never occured to me that it could be they meet during an eclipse, and now that you said it I love the idea
halcyon lily
thats like an ecilspe every night tho?
hexed pagoda
It's a neat take on the common mythos of the sun and moon being lovers chasing each other across the sky
halcyon lily
when the rites begin?
hexed pagoda
no, only the liberation rite is an eclipse
halcyon lily
ah
twin pecan
@halcyon lily I think they mean when it's a liberation rite
halcyon lily
ye ok
twin pecan
Dang, beat me to it lol
wide river
the liberation rites specifically occur under a "blooded" moon
twin pecan
But that means the end of the cycle is marked with LOADS OF ECLIPSES
upbeat swift
Red moons are caused by lunar eclipses
twin pecan
Just imagine the headlines in the Commonwealth that month
halcyon lily
amazing
subtle robin
and eclipses are symbols of the fall of an empire too so... there's a lot of contextual symbolism going on
wide river
blood moons have also been associated with the end of the world, so
hexed pagoda
and yeah, I think something about when the rites occur is related to a peculiar lunar cycle
upbeat swift
Was the empire afraid of exiles coming back to the commonwealth? That's a strange thought.
or the commonwealth rather.
Literacy was banned for a reason, but I can't quite remember why
hexed pagoda
I don't think they were afraid of people coming back, no
because normally the people who did return would become like the speaker (forget his name right now)
upbeat swift
I wouldn't think so, because the commonwealth looks over the rites, the voice that is.
Brighton is the archjustice
I think that was it, yea
worn spire
literacy was banned due to the invention of the printing-press, i believe
hexed pagoda
he was one of Volfred's teammates
most exiles who returned integrated back into society with their new revered status
didn't really cause much trouble until Volfred intervened, I think
upbeat swift
Actually, as I recall
Literacy was banned before the printing press was invented
But I'm not sure
winged tide
I thought it had been banned some time before that?
upbeat swift
I recall Sandalwood being exiled because he used a printing press to print anti-commonwealth material
winged tide
I think he was exiled for using a printing press, period. The idea of making his own books. Though...it wouldn't surprise me if they were stuff to spark the revolution. He's already well-known for not liking the Commonwealth.
upbeat swift
Yea
The Nightwings sending back their exiles is a massive issue for the commonwealth. They already have the impending war to take care of, and from my understanding, the returning exiles are so well regarded that the best the commonwealth can do is give them lofty positions in society, likely because that's the treatment they give to returning exiles, but also probably to lure them away from Sandalwood's goals. The voice makes it rather clear that he knows about Sandalwood's machinations.
wide river
literacy was banned two-hundred years prior to the game, "in response to growing unrest"
caused by the invention of the stamping-press, which had led to a proliferation of what were seen as dangerous ideas
volfred was exiled not specifically because of using one - he was exiled because he trash-talked the commonwealth, the literacy ban, and the war with the highwing remnants
reef sleet
by order of archjustice androbeles IX all literacy is banned in this channel henceforward
lime mural
im writing
kind scarab
readme
tardy moth
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signal sonnet
Hi there! I was curious if people have had any discussion about Pyre's multiplayer mode?
twin pecan
My partner and i use it to settle disputes. I wish there was an iOS version that allowed ad-hoc networks so readers could face against each other anywhere they meet
signal sonnet
That'd be cool! One of my old roommates is currently working in China, but he got super into the game around the same time as me while over there, and we spent a lot of time talking about different teams and strategies. Still haven't gotten the chance to actually play with him, but I'm definitely interested in trying when he gets back.
opal bane
I literally forgot there was a multiplayer mode.
reef sleet
Oh man I would love to be able to settle arguments with "see me in the rites" and just go for it lmao
twin pecan
I love multiplayer mode, with enough people we could even create tournaments. In this day and age, I also appreciate the intentional choice of local multiplayer
radiant spoke
Pyre tournament meetup?
abstract gull
I only know one person IRL who lives anywhere near me that plays Pyre too
but hey if you guys wanna do Pyre LANs 👀
twin pecan
We may cars and Internet, but if you're looking to participate in a rite with a friend you gotta see them in person. Nice cultural touch that transcends the game
signal sonnet
I think it was more a financial limitation than an intentional choice. But I would love to set up a tournament
Maybe at something like PAX?
twin pecan
Finances probably did dictate more of that @signal sonnet thanks for grounding me back to earth 🤗
upbeat swift
Pyre wouldn't play nice with latency.
radiant spoke
This is true...
twin pecan
PS4 Pro hates titan stars and matches that go on too long
upbeat swift
If you add latency to the moves themselves, the game would play horribly, it's somewhat timing sensitive
If you add compensation, a lot of wonky stuff will happen, again, due to the fast pace of the game
signal sonnet
mmm. I don't think the game is that twitchy/timing sensitive compared to most online games.
But it probably would have been an ineffective use of developer resources to focus on making online multiplayer
twin pecan
It doesn't have to be as twitchy or time sensitive, but i know in multiplayer when I'm playing against a Madden fan because they'll set up screens and other moves that may lean on timing and execution more than somebody else just trying to clean the field and waltz the orb
brave sphinx
They had a pseudo-tournament for pyre last pax, so it's definitely possible
radiant spoke
Interesting on the madden observation. I've sorta gotten a glimmer of an idea of strategies like those but mostly end up waltzing the orb, as you say, after clearing the board.
twin pecan
I like to drag plays out and then strike when my opponent starts getting sloppy defending their Pyre
I play more like a soccer team lol
(recovering midefielder though so it's what i know)
abstract gull
I played stupidly agressive until the final moments
where I was left with the more defensive characters like Bertrude and Sandalwood
I also abused Ti'Zo's special talisman
it was busted
twin pecan
I found Bertrude's talisman busted. Especially in the glaze where her aura ignores all those pesky roots!
Glade*
elder prairie
exept when you zip into a demon 400 times..... skill sometimes lacking
abstract gull
happens to the best :D
though I think the most issue I had was against the chasity in the last fight against them, where they regen half their HP mid way through
like wtf
elder prairie
the hardest for me was the essence's final gambigt
twin pecan
Lol need more Commonwealth friends @abstract gull😉
elder prairie
"aaaaand we start halfway up the court now, have fun with your full offense lineup"
random swan
i wanna do my fourth playthrough eventually
elder prairie
because gillman, pamitha, xae is not a good lineup against hyper agressive harps
twin pecan
@elder prairie that sounds like a glass canon lineup! I miss Xae's talisman, she could literally run right through a triumverate
elder prairie
yeah,,,,, pamitha's was my bread and butter going thru the fist time
abstract gull
mine was ti'zo :D
again, busted
I never really used fae much though
her style just didnt fit mine
elder prairie
yeah..... for me xae was a means of just jumping clear across the entire board....
scenic lotus
props to anyone who can use ti'zo well i could not get a handle on him
abstract gull
I was really into Rukey, he was my favourite character to play with
And then I sent hin away first rite cause 🙃 🔫
I am a genious
scenic lotus
I also liberated Rukey first and the longer I played the more I regretted that lol
elder prairie
rukey went home first becuase I he was not my style in the rites
gillman was just better for me
scenic lotus
LOVED GILMAN
I was definitely about the speed game. gotta be fast and just nyoom around everyone
elder prairie
eventually my stratagy became gillman/pamitha take turns rushing the pyre and tizo and later jodi for defense
strong warren
I remember ti'zo being my ant-bird blimp, also hands down best quotes and interactions
twin pecan
nyooms around the chat
elder prairie
and then I started going for 100% and all that went out the window because flying over stuff becomes a lot less viable once the AI learns how to do anything
abstract gull
Gilman was great
elder prairie
super slither bertude was really good too
abstract gull
I mostly used Gilman/Ti'Zo/Jodariel
scenic lotus
no lie sometimes I said "nyoom" out loud when I did a particularly good maneuver around someone
abstract gull
I NEVER LEARNED HOW TO USE BERTRUDE TILL THE VERY END
Like I barely used her but then I saw how OP she was
And I was like "I missed out"
scenic lotus
Bertrude was also very clutch 👌
abstract gull
At the end she made up for my inability to use Sandalwood
elder prairie
yeah.... i didn't bother until i started fudging around in VS for the "master conductor" achievement....
scenic lotus
Sandalwood was so hard for me to use he wasn't even worthy of being liberated in the last rite lol
i barely used him
elder prairie
which..... dificulty 5 with 6 titan stars..... that sucked
sandlewood is a defensive char... and very very good at that
scenic lotus
yeah, i just couldn't get used to it. like i said more about the speedy players
abstract gull
Yeah I couldnt ever really play defensively
scenic lotus
no defense for me i was always balls to the wall
twin pecan
He is hard to master but a great way to misdirect people. I would put his sapling in a lane just to get the other side to focus there and then just nyoom along the other side with a gilman or Xae to the Pyre
elder prairie
yeah,.... it was once I ended up playing on true nightwing Ye olde "just rush it" strat beame dubious
and got replaced with one defense one hedwyn one rusher with the "respawn when plunging" talisman
scenic lotus
ooh solid
abstract gull
Have yet to play True Nightwing, maybe I will this summer
elder prairie
Hedwyn for the “sacred bond” trait
The “run over where your guy got banished and res them” trait
Gillman worked for that role with “avenging aid” in case of banishment sickness
(Assuming you didn’t forget how hard he is to steer and send him careening into an aura 200 times........ enjoy your freedom lendel....)
random swan
so how many runs of pyre have you done?
elder prairie
3 completed 2 in progress
scenic lotus
i've only done one but i'd love to play again
elder prairie
has anyone managed to 100% it?
twin pecan
Yes, that is my first platinum trophy
random swan
ya!
elder prairie
achievement wise..... this was my first and only 100% on steam
tardy moth
I loved Pamitha/Gilman/Volfred, and once I did Hedwyn with the anti-harp classing it was BEAST.
*ae and Ti'zo were strong seconds, but it took me a while to get the hang of them
Timing *ae's jumps was... dificil
twin pecan
@tardy moth it took halfway through my second run to get the hang of *ae's jumps (best way I've seen so far to faithfully represent this character in conversation)
tardy moth
Same same. I didn't really use her much until my second run, but once i got the hang of it i grew to like her
And Khaylmer's Anklet is so crazy OP, as is Triesta
heavy hill
so what's the verdict on how we describe Xae, do we use Stowaway or Moon-Touched Girl or _ae
thick carbon
I think most people have used *Ae, but honestly anything ending in ae is understood
onyx forum
the old server used ae!
silver dawn
I've seen *ae, which is easier to type for me but always seems like I'm correcting myself on something.
onyx forum
or *ae, yeah
silver dawn
In the context of the world itself, I recall the character herself not being overly fond of 'moon-touched' as a descriptor.
heavy hill
ouch tariq and celeste kinda immortalized the name she doesn't like if that's the case
silver dawn
I do have a question, if anybody in here can clear it up - how does the geography of the Downside in relation to the world above actually work?
Is it just at the bottom of some impossibly immense escarpment, atop which lies the Commonwealth?
heavy hill
I don't think we really know, since you can see the stars from the downside
I think the river you get cast down is a portal to the Downside, which is another dimension(?)
silver dawn
Yeah, that's why I went with 'escarpment', rather than 'underground cavern, a la Echo Bazaar'.
The other reason I think it's not, like, a separate plane of reality has to do with the means one particular exile uses to try and return in the epilogue.
Which all imply some degree of physical contiguity (is that a word?) between the worlds above and below.
heavy hill
yeah
We never really learn too much about the commonwealth at all except bloodborder and the war
silver dawn
Yeah.
elder prairie
i may be wrong here but when it follows the last exile liberated in the rite against oralech it actually shows that exile become a star
upbeat swift
I don't think that's ever explained outside of anecdotes. We know the imps can somehow get a message across, but you can't exactly fly back to the commonwealth, which leads me to believe it's not just a matter of ascension. I'd like to think the passage between the downside and the commonwealth is more akin to river styx than anything else.
But we know if Hedwyn stays in the downside that his lover comes down from the commonwealth. I think moving down is incredibly easy, moving up not so much.
silver dawn
Yeah, that much is clear.
elder prairie
it also seems kinda like it looks like you could make it on your own because of what manley does tho he fails
silver dawn
And yeah, I do recall that panning shot making me raise an eyebrow.
thick carbon
the downside is just covered by a giant sheet of paper so when entering or exiting it looks like a star but it’s actually a giant bio dome
silver dawn
'course, in the realm of 'how does that work' the shimmer-pool just raises more questions, given that it's capable of exerting some degree of selection on the folk that step into it.
upbeat swift
Pyre's people aren't that technology inclined either. They mostly seem to rely on some divine forces.
Even though the blackwagon does fly, I doubt it "flies" very high.
silver dawn
(inasmuch as all one people we hear who tried to ninja loot the spot drowned as a consequence)
elder prairie
science isn't going very far either with the ban on literacy
silver dawn
...which raises further questions on what would happen if a wyrm tried it, since they're amphibious.
upbeat swift
The difficulty to get to the commonwealth might be explained in two ways
elder prairie
so.... yeah, it would appear the shimmer pool is magic in some way
upbeat swift
The first one would be the terrible weather conditions of the downside
elder prairie
again with the liberation rite vs the true nightwings... i'm pretty sure celeste has a line about "it doesn't have enough energy" to send everyone free... just the one
upbeat swift
The second one is that it's simply a passage akin to river styx, which would mean that the downside and the commonwealth are just on two separate planes of existence, or that said passage is just impossible to go up in. One way you could explain the imp messages is that imps probably drop the messages part of the way through.
silver dawn
They do.
tardy moth
But at the same time it may be unrelated
elder prairie
yeah, harps are stated to get "clipped"
tardy moth
/sorry mobile reading is hard
silver dawn
I think the only thing we can entirely conclude is that mojo of some variety is at play here.
elder prairie
and wyrms are stated to not be able to swim back
so it's either a river styx sorta thing, a waterfall or both
tardy moth
I've always wondered if it was some sort of "journey to the center of the earth" alternate world. A la the actual jules Verne novel
silver dawn
If the separation is only physical (i.e. infeasibly huge escarpment or underground cavern or what-have-you) then mojo's needed for the stars and weather and suchlike to be present in the Downside; otherwise, the nature of the place is explicitly magical.
tardy moth
And not. Whatever movie adaptations I haven't seen
silver dawn
@tardy moth - yeah, I was thinking that too, although that might be because I like Spiderweb Software's Avernum remake series, and that immediately sprang to mind as a consequence.
elder prairie
not familiar with that story
tardy moth
There are known connection points, but it could also be some sort of like, defined boundary spaces as well
Like a lintel under mistletoe at midnight sort of thing
elder prairie
for me this sounds a lot like the common slippery slope dimension in fantasy
silver dawn
There's broad similarity of premise - big (like, world-encompassing) empire has conquered world, uses giant underground cavern as a dumping place for its undesirables.
tardy moth
^^^
elder prairie
once you go in you can't really come out save something real special
silver dawn
In that case the portal in is one-way, and finding a way out is explicitly one of the win conditions of the first game.
elder prairie
actually.... this might be in the book
silver dawn
(because the Empire has a vested interest in keeping the place sealed)
elder prairie
in some way shape or form
elder prairie
true nightwing mode all pages are unlocked
silver dawn
...oh boy, time to get dunked on.
tardy moth
I dint recall it mentioning it in the fulltexts of the book of rights that I've seen
@wide river has datamined a ton of the text assets, and all the book of rights was one of those things, iirc
silver dawn
(I was an enormous baby and didn't flip any of the Supergiant Risk/Reward Difficulty Toggles (TM) so there was a big empty section in my book.)
tardy moth
But it has been a while since u went back and read, so.
silver dawn
Worth a look!
wide river
yes hello who ping()
tardy moth
You have the fulltext if all the book of rites pages, yes?
upbeat swift
It's probably left ambiguous because it adds nothing to the plot, it's one of those things that's better off to the imagination of the person playing it. The implication in the book is that the shimmer-pool, which is the waterfall that allows exiles to go through, came out from a titan
silver dawn
Another thing Pyre reminded me of (and I explicitly used this to describe the game) was 'Sportsball road trip through Exalted hell', so it being a different plane of existance doesn't seem wholly odd.
wide river
yes
tardy moth
Also I totally did the cheat and turned on all the titan stars during that one rite where the other team autoforfeits because I Am Cheap
wide river
that's not just an implication
elder prairie
@tardy moth yes! that is a lifesaver
tardy moth
And it got me all the titan pages which was gr8
elder prairie
i have the full text in front of me now trying to read thru
wide river
· 'Tis no mere myth that from the Archbeast's eye the Shimmer-Pool emerged, the sole means of freedom from this land.
tardy moth
You can't get the achievement that way, though xD
o7
it looks like there are multiple ways in but one way out for nonnative soecies
Which would actually make sense if you considered the Downside as almost a fae realm?
upbeat swift
We talked about that earlier, the book recounts legends. It's very hard to determine whether the shimmer-pool comes from an eye or not.
silver dawn
(fortunately, the Exalted party that was the Scribes came through and cleared the place out some)
tardy moth
The titans and imps, as native "fae" so to speak have boundary-crossing abilities
wide river
the book was written by the scribes and recounts their journey through the downside
tardy moth
Demonification is just the slow change as to u become more Native, but you'll never truly be 100% fae
And so while fae can free-cross boundaries from fae to real, non-fae can only cross real-to-fae
Which makes sense as there are multiple downside entries, but only one exit
silver dawn
Works as well as any other explanation I've come up with!
...are there multiple entries into the Downside? I thought it was River Sclorian or bust.
tardy moth
The river Schlorian, the undswimmable pathway that Ores used in the sea?
tardy moth
I think there is maybe one more.
wide river
the "western drift" travel node says in its flavour text that the edge of it skirts the sea-dominion
silver dawn
Interesting.
wide river
there's also
- Dominion Abyss
Only wyrms of the Sea-Dominion are permitted passage here.
+ An undersea border believed to link the Downside to the other side.
That's the first one I was thinking of
But western drift too
Abd if course whatever the inps do
elder prairie
umm.... does it say anywhere saint triesta, the harp scribe .... were her wings clipped because i'm not sure they were
looking at a passage here, "My own wings, I once theought that they could take me anywhere, and then they took me here where I am bound"
upbeat swift
It's said to be written by the scribes. The scribes are also defined by centuries of oral legends. The celestial landmarks are where those titans were felled. There are also only 40 books from what I recall, which the Nightwings seem to have many of. They need to do a certain ritual to begin the rites. Some of these titans are absolutely massive, it's hard to believe one individual from any of the races defeated one for each.
silver dawn
I suppose that's what made the Scribes what they were! They're clearly made of rather sterner stuff than your average representative of most of the people we see.
(more to the point, most of the titan-kills that I recall seeing described seemed to involve shenanigans of some kind.)
Ores went Call of Cthulhu on Plurnes, it took his entire army to take down Endriga, Triesta invoked mojo to drop a train on Xilvias...
(some sceptre?)
The only real 'beat the stuffing out of it' solo kill I can think of is Ha'ub going all RULES OF NATURE on Shax.
(or at least some approximation thereof)
(I count an impromptu 15-thousand ton dung ball as shenanigans)