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#transistor
little pagoda
little pagoda
Boyfriend's function
little pagoda
Ping (Spark)
full peak
SPARK
little pagoda
I honestly love using functions of characters i like
full peak
hmm
little pagoda
Stubbornly using breach and flood at ten limiters is the definition of hubris is my downfall
little pagoda
Yes
full peak
sp
so
hypothetically
boxer could talk to all those people while he was inside the transistor?
little pagoda
They can't interact if that's what you're wondering about
full peak
and when red killed herself to go inside the transistor the two of them were also stuck with all those people as well?
whaaaat
little pagoda
Boxer can only talk to them a short while after theyve been absorbed, while theyre being sorted
Thats beeb confirmed
And Royce says the whole 'they cant interact' thing
But you can hear the ones you know
And i mean, Red and Boxer definitely ended up together in there so what do we know
full peak
beeb?
oh
been
hahahha
i dont remember the "they cant interact" thing damn
that blows though
their existence must be so lonely then
like
what if they dont age
they stay immortal stuck there forever
little pagoda
Yeahh
Im wondering if red and box being together was the result of their bond or of box glitching the transistor up hshd
Im hoping it was the first
That could mean Asher and Grant are together as well
little pagoda
I wouldn't wish eternal solitude upon any character in transistor
Not even the Camerata
They weren't bad people and didn't have bad intentions, not like that excuses the horrible things they did, but I feel like they've been punished enough
inland mirage
well...sybil had bad intentions
near wagon
also, they could've simply copied those voices instead of murdering them?
good intention yes, punished enough yes, but the method was very not okay
full peak
i feel like they hadnt actually haha
normally id say the ends justify the means but not in the cameratas case
since they were actively sentencing people to a fate worse than death
royce didnt even feel bad about it
inland mirage
I think that's a bit sketchier
I am pretty sure the transistor had to have had the traces of dead people to work
but their "ends" was basically "I want people to stop changing their minds"
full peak
yea exactly
like
its not worth murder
and if its not worth murder then its not worth eternal confinement alone
echo sedge
Afaik they were actually killing people through the transistor because it was better
Also I think they might have actually needed the people absorbed there
Not saying that eternal solitude doesn't sound horrible
But Royce very much considered it heaven
near wagon
by voicing his desire for eternity, he could've had it done in a way or another
no need to impose it on everybody else
calm jackal
Oh, transistor is moddable. It just takes scrolling through their big pile of code
Maybe I should ask that one fellow whomst be modding hades
calm jackal
Yeah a huge part of the code is just a pile of mostly lua scripts
full peak
ahh idk how to mess with those
calm jackal
I made a randomizer in it, so that whenever I exit a level it sends me into a random level instead of the right one
full peak
wouldve been cool to try and make your own functions tho
calm jackal
And also it gives you functions in a random order
I wouldn't know where to start for making new functions, but there's a lot of files I haven't read
Lua is a fairly easy language
little pagoda
hewwo
zenith beacon
henlo
gloomy falcon
i should download transistor again 
i beat it before with the keyboard and trackpad but have a controller now
gloomy falcon
i dont remember my build actually
i was just stubborn about not using a mouse
but i couldnt do the same for hades so ended up getting a controller
calm jackal
Hades doesn't have cool pause button plan out moves...
calm jackal
I love that you can do that
gloomy falcon
I think my build had the dash with pull and apply weak
its been a while i forgot the names
calm jackal
Jaunt (get, crash)
gloomy falcon
Then i would just crash and tap
calm jackal
Crash or purge
gloomy falcon
I think it was purge
im pretty sure i took a screencap of my build way back then, when i get a chance to reopen steam later
Ill go look
calm jackal
Seems neat, make the most out of tap
I guess most of those moves don't require aiming
gloomy falcon
I just remember i liked the mobility
calm jackal
Or like, too much aiming
gloomy falcon
So i upgraded jaunt first
Bec 1. Pls stop firing at me 
- I have a usb and im not afraid to use it
little pagoda
God i love starting turn just to think and breathe
gloomy falcon
yes!!
after a few runs and i got the hang of transistor
I didnt use turn as much for the combat
mostly the breather
little pagoda
Yeah after some time turn is more of a "SO YOU D O WANT A BEATDOWN H UH"
little pagoda
hello im booboo the fool for thinking oh its been ages In Circles isn't going to hurt like it used to
lunar mesa
its even worse for the corrupted version
little pagoda
the corrupted version makes my heart heavy
marble merlin
void(get()*crash()) spark(stuff) pretty OP
prime apex
@little pagoda Yo!
supple shoal
uwu
oak thorn
cull(load) is also great
another really strong combo is help(mask&cull)
sip() deals 150dmg with very little cost plus a ton of backstab from bark() and the damage stacks
all that while red hasn't done anything which allows for even more dmg
calm jackal
One time I tried cull (spark) and that's the coolest looking function
oak thorn
agreed
little pagoda
Ohh i havent seen that yet
In terms of looks ive found tap adds blue fireflies and thats really all i need ahsuf
copper trout
It does WHAT now
I've played a buttload of Transistor and didn't notice that
@little pagoda on an unrelated note, consider: Monty Python and the Holy Crail
little pagoda
Boxer: looks at his body
Boxer: tis but a scratch
copper trout
She turned me into a Process!
A Process?
I got better.
Crack: Red bringing the Transistor to Royce, and getting interrupted by a French guy in armor.
"He's already got one, you see. Oh yes, it's very nice."
zenith beacon
Transistor and Monty Python?
this thing was this 👌 close to being canon
i mean - Red's early walking animation was basically this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/675669630462984241/walk1.png
oak thorn
lmao
zinc rune
🤏 this close
zenith beacon
"Ministry of silly walks" by monty python @copper trout
copper trout
No, I mean, source for Red's OG walk cycle.
copper trout
full peak
Smashing the bowl is Sybil lying to the Camerata about Red being alone at the Empty Set.
[Mr. Nobody gets impaled] "Yeah!" "Uuuhh." x3
copper trout
So I mentioned an idea in fanworks... Amaterasu from Okami, wielding the Transistor.
Because it's like a "paintbrush".
But then I realized: Ammy is white and red, and could almost pass as a Process.
So now I also think of that with a bead string made of Cells.
And as a larger version of a Fetch with admin access... in other words, a Superfetch()
Superuser Red but with a doggo.
Now all I need is a big disc shaped object to make into the Reflector. Anyone know any large flat discs?
wispy stratus
flatbread
copper trout
LMAO
I'm imagining a giant Process wolf just beating things over the head with an enormous floating pizza now, thanks @wispy stratus
wispy stratus
and its idle floating animation is it splitting into slices
with cheese stretching between them
wispy stratus
yeah something like that
copper trout
But with goddamn future pizza
Incredible
So out of place alongside the two badass weapons though
wispy stratus
that's how you can tell it's the best one
hot tree
i think cheerleaders have that satellite dish? that's close-ish
copper trout
well, if you're gettin' that weird, Snapshots are circular
Junction Jan's Flatbread is a hilarious one though
hot tree
oh yeah, a snapshot would be better
keep in mind i'm not familiar with this other game, lmao
copper trout
I mean, alright, I'll give some references...
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/okami/images/a/a6/010.jpg
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/okami/images/6/62/011.jpg
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/okami/images/9/93/012.jpg
This is why I want to see a Transistor in there, heh
Oversized sword, ring of floaty beads, and a disc (one of the Reflectors looks exactly like the Zeus aspect, hilariously, and I did mention it'd be funny to see in Hades...)
White and red with prominent black accents is, well... it's Process colors.
hot tree
yeah that's process colors
copper trout
See why I want this to be a thing? :p
Well, I mean, it really comes down to "it'd be frickin' sick to see a wolf running around with the Transistor"
the thematic similarities follow just after that
copper trout
giant fetch who uses the transistor as a "brush" to reshape the world as her canvas
yeah, it's just a few thousand years of technological development off, really
...and considering Okami canonically has super high tech moon people with spaceships, not even that far off
hot tree
i still need to play that game
it keeps getting recommended as a classic i've just never gotten around to it
copper trout
do it
100% worth
It's one of the best Zelda-esque games ever made and it's on every damn platform now.
No excuses anymore not to get to it, the PC port is fantastic
copper trout
[nervously glances at >170]
yeah I get it, but if you ever get the chance, 100% worth playing
zenith beacon
folks
does anyone know what happens if i upgrade mask() with another mask()?
or... two masks?
copper trout
you get this dude, I guess
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/aceattorney/images/2/2d/Mask_DeMasque_OA.png
Mask☆DeMasque
:^)
just kidding I never got that far :c
zenith beacon
i don't get it
copper trout
Ace Attorney joke
little pagoda
Breach (breach, breach) just gives you HACKERMAN
echo sedge
Technically yes because you need to hack the game to acquire that combo 😛
tropic cedar
NG+ my boy
calm jackal
cant put the same upgrade on something twice
tropic cedar
oh, he was indicating slotting it twice
this was days past, but someone wanted to know what mask+mask was. It's just 250% stealth damage
breach+breach adds ricochet to the breach projectile
thin flicker
tropic cedar
and just to go through the list real quick:
||crash: gives itself the vulnerable property
bounce: tertiary blasts
jaunt: each uses recovers Turn() 5%
packet: bigger and stronger
friend: adds a cell destroy chance
bounce: more bounces, no damage reduction
ping: even faster, Turn() cap is lowered
get: max damage improved to 250 (from 150) (this is actually really good)
cull: harder and stronger
void: lasts longer
switch: also deals damage
tap: more lifesteal
purge: contagious
flood: longer and stronger||
spoilers in case someone didn't want to just know?
most of them are pretty boring though
lunar mesa
the jaunt one is really outside the box but it’s cool
hot tree
oooh yeah that's really cool
calm jackal
damn i wanna run that now
jaunt (jaunt bounce)
and then like, help passive for the memes
hot tree
if only jaunt(help, purge) weren't already my mvp
calm jackal
i never got much out of jaunt(help)
jaunt (mask) seems like a straight upgrade over that
hot tree
jaunt(help) is useless against turn users but it's very good for crowds
that combo lets you dash around like mad and do a lot of damage outside of turn
like while it's recharging
though return recharge seems very worth it
hot tree
yess
also am i the only one who used breach a lot through the whole game? i used breach a lot
calm jackal
Crash (breach) was in my build the whole time
It's cool but impractical to line up enemies and hit them all at once most of the time
hot tree
alternatively jaunt(purge, jaunt): don't need illusory doubles if you damage everyone and get turn() faster anyway
also jaunt(purge) is very good for the shielded cells limiter
yeah i liked breach as a long range option through cover too
calm jackal
I think at some point I was running jaunt (tap)
I prefer to use aoe effects against shielded cells, because I usually run it at the same time as doubled cells
It's nice to just tap or spark and pick em all up at once
hot tree
that's fair, i was usually dashing like mad so the purge() picked it all up well enough
calm jackal
Could work
I had purge on switch initially because I accidentally ran the least fun deck
I never recommend that to anyone
calm jackal
I feel like you really get an understanding of the game when you do an all limiters ng+
hot tree
my ten limiter bit for the achievement was mostly me dashing around wildly and screaming
it was easier than i expected tho
somehow
calm jackal
I survived 10lim by running a really defensive set of passives
Bounce passive is essential against men
hot tree
i didn't do all limiters the whole ng+
calm jackal
And tap passive will carry you the rest of the way
copper trout
I don't like some of those limiters.
The one that removes functions is kind of... bleh
calm jackal
Yeah not all limiters are fun
hot tree
-mem is really punishing, so is the one that overloads fxns if you swap your loadout
i did love transistor's system of the codex unlocking different sections when you used a function in each different upgrade slot
that's a bit of elegance i wish they would bring back for hades
calm jackal
Learn about what the denizens go through in their "forced overtime"?
hot tree
heheheheh
copper trout
yeah I REALLY hate overload
and -mem
Same reason people hate No Choice: Making the game smaller by cutting down features is not my flavor of challenge
calm jackal
But what if transistor had no choice
What if you don't get a choice of function on levelup..
I think less mem is fine, leads to more interesting builds
The overload one leads to less interesting builds
tropic cedar
I used a really aggressive playstyle for 10 lims, with get(get,cull) being my murder toy. 250 damage at a distance, especially when you've already voided an enemy? Kills most things. Add cull to your passives as well, and have mask and jaunt to just hide between turns, and it works quite well
It's really annoying when you die even once though, you're not getting back those functions for the rest of the game
hot tree
i wouldn't play ten limiters for the whole game
some of them make the game more fun or strategic but some of them are just a hassle
tropic cedar
Oh yeah, once I did the whole game that way, I got rid of the those shackles, and man does the game get so much more satisfying
Try doing a no Turn() run for example, it's pretty fun
hot tree
i've been thinking about it
ive heard that's an interesting way to play, but i've never tried
tropic cedar
Most of it is not terrible, but creep 3.0s and jerk 3.0s have to be dealt with creatively
stiff crater
i just replayed this and i was so disappointed you don't get anything out of that 6 younglady room
hot tree
they Do tell you to run, iirc
little pagoda
Yall just going and stealing babies and expecting a reward
stiff crater
hey, no. not just that, but also killing the moms
arctic holly
gonna go off on a tangent here, but the reason why I find transistor so compelling. Every other game, there's a cast of relatable characters. From bastion and it's handful, to pyre and it's dozen. And hades as it stands, there are many sympathizers. Fantastically written and developed friends, always at an arm's length. But Red. The isolation that is thrust on you. Everything is broken and warped and there is no help, from anywhere.
it's so badass
copper trout
And yet... the dead have a hell of a lot of personality.
They are all distinctive and compelling despite being, well, ghosts.
stiff crater
luna friend
arctic holly
fair enough
little pagoda
husbamd fremd
copper trout
Sword friend.
I mean, come on.
She's not alone because someone's literally always by her side.
arctic holly
yea, but he's seeing all of this for the first time too
||it's why when he is corrupted it's such a frightening moment||
the whole point is them figuring it out together, in tandem.
but me point is, even as a pair
everything is lost and broken and effed
and no friends, no wisdom spouting sage,
no cynic withholding information
like I said, I feckin love it
arctic holly
yiss
copper trout
Yeet
honest rose
Does anyone know if the Transistor Red chibi figure ever return to the store?
wooden sparrow
Dlcwhen
drifting timber
@honest rose I believe they said in the recent AMA the item is now retired.
honest rose
Noooooooooooo
dusky tapir
I feel you, Rain. I feel you. I asked that during an AMA and oh boy I was gutted
honest rose
As horrible a feeling as it is, I'm glad I'm not the only one.
calm jackal
I'm glad I got the cool flash drive at least
full peak
I lost my Transistor flash drive years ago.
inland mirage
I still have mine
although I wish I got the red figure 😔
drifting timber
Me too...would’ve splurged on it if I knew it was going away! 😭
supple shoal
out
stiff crater
I just finished a NG+ to get all the achievements. Now what do I do with my life 
snow hedge
calm jackal
Do a whole run with all limiters...
Run really bad function combos
The game is yours
!
patent marsh
regular or processed?
cedar grove
@full peak please keep it clean! you can read the rules of the server in #readme-first.
copper trout
merry phoenix
I feel like thats a bit of an oversimplification of the Camerata
And I dont think that having a gay character act as a villain is something you cant do
But I do get that the connotations are uh
Questionable
hot tree
basically the main characters are heterosexual, the lesbian villain is evil and jealous and tries to kill the mc's boyfriend out of jealousy, and the gay men are cowardly, morally corrupt, kill themselves in the end, and have a 27 year age gap
there's 'gay people are villains' and then there's 'tropes that have been used to actively hurt gay people'
do i like the gameplay of transistor? yes, absolutely
but you Have to admit some of the writing choices are dubious in the extreme
to be charitable
merry phoenix
Hold on, thats not how I remember the story
verbal egret
ough, that sounds bad
merry phoenix
Pretty sure Boxer wasnt killed out of Jealousy, but simply jumped in the way of the blade meant for Red
full peak
Sybil planned the attack at the Empty Set specifically because she knew Mr. Nobody would be there.
wispy stratus
sybil was big braining it hoping to get boxer killed
hot tree
yeah
i know a lot of people find it meaningful because back in 2014, it was the first game with lgbt characters they had played.
but i...........played the game in 2019.
and made a 😬 face the whole time
full peak
I did not view Grant and Asher quite like that, but I'm also straight.
hot tree
they do canonically have a 27 year age gap
full peak
Sorry, didn't meant that.
hot tree
i'm gay and i found them extremely upsetting
no that's fine, i get it
you didn't see them as villainous, not trying to deny the age gap
wispy stratus
i wasn't aware of the tropes when i first played it, but it seemed more like the lgbt stuff was on the side rather than them trying to make a point of it
full peak
Yes.
wispy stratus
still not great though
full peak
Sybil is not great.
hot tree
it's like. points for trying! boy did you mess up on the implication
full peak
She and Royce are who I've always seen as the true "villains" of the story.
wispy stratus
sybil most likely knew according to her entry in the game
hot tree
like i said. hasn't aged very well in five years
merry phoenix
Also Im not sure I neccessarily have a problem with the age gap so long as theyre not like, 18 and 43
full peak
We never actually interact in any way with Grant, so all we have to go on are Asher's monologues.
hot tree
.........that's a separate issue, but 'gay men have huge age gaps' Is a harmful trope. as a gay man
verbal egret
Because people became more sensitive towards queercoded villains and "slay the gays" tropes.
hot tree
regardless of specific implications
merry phoenix
Ok I didnt know that
I thought the concept of an age gap was the issue, I was unaware of such a trope
My bad
wispy stratus
age gaps do get significantly less problematic when both parties are full fledged adults, but them being gay does make it worse
merry phoenix
Ahh
Ok let me just check how old the younger one was to see if at least that wasnt the connotation
hot tree
like i said, i feel like a lot of straight people, or gay people who played the game in 2014, didn't realize how dodgy some of that stuff is
merry phoenix
Oh thank god he is 28
merry phoenix
Im not sure though I agree with them being cowardly
full peak
...You mean when Mr. Nobody calls them "Cowards"?
And the "battle" with them is titled "Cowards"?
merry phoenix
He doesnt actually, the Transistor does
hot tree
yeah
wispy stratus
didn't asher say it about themselves too?
hot tree
the game ui calls them cowardly
wispy stratus
or am i misremebering
merry phoenix
The Transistor however is also an unreliable narrator
Because its the tool used to control the process
hot tree
the ui after they're defeated is 'cowards'
merry phoenix
They chose to die rather than being fully consumed by the process
full peak
Mr. Nobody is the Transistor. Red's boyfriend, Boxer, whatever you call him.
merry phoenix
Not exactly?
wispy stratus
not exactly
merry phoenix
The Transistor contains the Boxer, and the boxer is the main personality of the Transistor
But the Transistor is still a tool that has subfunctions the Boxer has no control over
wispy stratus
we don't get a real explanation of how the entries are generated, but they aren't in his style
merry phoenix
Yeah
wispy stratus
so it doesn't seem to be the case
merry phoenix
Im also pretty sure he says something like "they stood by the Cameratas goal to the bitter end"
So him calling them cowards would go against that statement
merry phoenix
Lemme just check a walkthrough real quick
wispy stratus
at about 1hr 20mins
merry phoenix
Huh, he does
Ok I missed that, I guess
I do feel like thats also a wrong way of putting it
Given that the alternative was ending up like Sybil
wispy stratus
whether it is or isn't a fair judgement of their actions the implication is distasteful
merry phoenix
Yeah I can agree with that
I did miss all of that, so yeah, fair enough, that wouldnt fly nowadays
Though I imagine SGG also wouldnt write it that way nowadays
wispy stratus
considering how hades is going most likely not
merry phoenix
Or perhaps I just hope they wouldnt
hot tree
i bet they wouldn't, and i bet criticism from transistor (and to a lesser extent pyre) is why
full peak
Just because something might be done better now doesn't mean you can't point at the flaws of the past and say "Remember, let's do better this/next time."
hot tree
agreed, schpoon
merry phoenix
Yeah, I agree with that
hot tree
crit of creators is what keeps them moving forward
merry phoenix
I guess the fact that Transistor is still probably my favourite game of all time is why I might be a bit defensive
And even knowing this I cant really say that my opinion of it changes that much
wispy stratus
the soundtrack definitely aged well at least
stone shoal
with the amount of knowledge gained between then and now, I doubt they would write like that now
wispy stratus
that video gave me an earworm
merry phoenix
Though, it is conflicting
Hm
I wonder if there is a list of these harmful tropes to avoid anywhere
wispy stratus
tv tropes?
stone shoal
tvtropes tends to be a good source
hot tree
also talking to people of the groups you're writing about
stone shoal
but their may be better sources
hot tree
especially if you're a creator, sensitivity readers are important
merry phoenix
I mean TVTropes covers all tropes, and its hard to search for specific connotations of tropes
Thats a good point though
Just in case Ill ever make anything that has a character that isnt Ace
verbal egret
Well, a very controversial women named Anita covered alot of those tropes.
half parrot
imo, tvtropes is a starting point where u can get keywords to google & read further
verbal egret
@merry phoenix
merry phoenix
Oh thats a good one, Unfortunate Implications
Noted
I know of the worst ones, but the more subtle harmful ones are I guess less noticable?
wispy stratus
there's plenty of literature youtubers too so i'll bet it wouldn't be hard to find one who discusses this stuff
verbal egret
But it will just occur occasionally, I think they are asking for a more comprehensive overview.
half parrot
yeah i think deeper dives are a good thing to invest time in, if you're interested, bc a lot is in the context/execution
merry phoenix
Yeah
Again, its just in case I want to write a non-Ace LGBT character at some point
drowsy bolt
It's not quite what's being looked for, but https://www.doesthedogdie.com/ covers a wide range of topics similar to that
inland mirage
super late to the discussion about the "cowards" bit and I'm not super well versed in the subject, but weren't they called cowards more because of their inability to face red after what they did, rather than their method of avoiding it
I feel like mr nobody would have the same reaction if they had just booked it out of there instead of dying
At least, that's how I saw it
wispy stratus
the contentious bit is really the negative stereotype about gays being cowardly
i do agree that it was a comment about them avoiding the repercussions, not about how they did so
copper trout
I mean... it's not like it was used maliciously, though. Intent matters.
There's a qualitative difference between people actively writing characters as malicious stereotypes (like the gay antagonists in Chinese webnovels, who... are pretty consistently presented and narrated as deliberate homophobic stereotypes, by the main character, the prose, and everyone else) and just happening to write character traits that have been used incorrectly in the past.
Trans/nb umbrella here, I speak only for myself, but I personally have no problems with Transistor. I found the Camerata overwhelmingly sympathetic.
wispy stratus
i completely agree, but that doesn't mean it's not harmful without that intent
it is still much better than the alternative you present
copper trout
No, I mean, by my personal standard I am immensely uncomfortable with any special treatment of any sort
Like, the idea of certain character traits or any non-malicious portrayal being "disallowed" is an uncomfortable thought to me.
It may be a strange way to put it, but I value the... right to be portrayed as bad people, just as much as the right to be portrayed as good people, with the full range of character traits.
But like I've said before: Not every character has to be a representation of an entire demographic.
wispy stratus
kind of like free speech?
copper trout
If people shy away from making NB characters antagonists, or even identifiable (not just "undefined" but distinct) mooks, or applying certain character traits, I find it pretty othering
It's just another thing that reinforces "you're NOT like the 'norm' and can't be treated the same way"
fresh raven
sorry to pop in here, but while that is true and lgbt+ folks can totally be antagonists, having them be the first and only amount of representation in your media is kinda
:/
copper trout
Positive discrimination sort of feeling
I don't think it was either of those things, was it
wispy stratus
from my perspective the issue is that people with malicious intent have spoiled certain depictions of groups
fresh raven
in transistor they werent the first i suppose
copper trout
In games I doubt they were either
wispy stratus
so even if there shouldn't be anything wrong it's become that way because of discrimination
it's a subpar solution to a nasty problem, but there's not much that can be done about it in the short term
copper trout
@wispy stratus I'm just not really fond of that reasoning myself.
wispy stratus
neither am i, but unless there's a better way you kinda have to take what you can get
copper trout
To me, it feels like giving malicious groups and individuals what they want - the ability to control what is and isn't acceptable, to make the world smaller for everyone else.
wispy stratus
changing the kind of discrimination still means there's some there
copper trout
I'm not willing to accept that people can just take what they want like that. That kind of thing is exactly why 4chan trolls can "take over" any meme they feel like.
Because they know all they have to do is claim it and people will run the other way
But my point was - this is, indeed, a form of discrimination in and of itself. It's positive discrimination.
At the most extreme some people argue that minorities shouldn't even be portrayed negatively at all, but even without going that far, it's still basically saying - you can't be This kind of bad guy?
fresh raven
i agree that putting minorities in stories as antagonists is fine and good and necessary but using stereotypes about them as part of their villainous being is. bad.
copper trout
This reminds me of the thing about Hazbin Hotel where people were criticizing the author for writing a "Latinx stereotype", but the character was based on her own life experiences...
It's not just the character traits. It's how they're used
wispy stratus
that is true, some things lose their influence when people stop treating them like a problem
copper trout
A) are they meant to make a character less sympathetic and easier to hate? if so, sure, that's a red flag
B) is that all there is to the character? if so, then yes, the character is a stereotype
But neither of those things apply to the Camerata.
They're not one-dimensional Bad Gay People Who Are Bad Because They're Gay
fresh raven
fair enough
copper trout
If they were, I would have a problem with it
But I found them to be quite sympathetic individuals despite doing horrible things, and with a lot of nuance
fresh raven
i actually have never thought deeply about the two who i can never remember the names of (the dudes who kill themselves before you get there) and i have less of a problem with their portrayal, but i still really dislike and feel icky about sybil
wispy stratus
(that's asher and grant)
copper trout
It's one of my favorite games. I think about it a lot.
fresh raven
because the camerata as a whole are not "we're bad because we're gay" but sybil's whole deal is "i stalked red and hated and wanted to kill mr. nobody" (credit where credit is due she did save red's life) but still the predatory lesbian stereotype is there and.. not great
oh same, i would probably say it's my favorite game, but asher and grant are just character's i've never thought critically of
copper trout
Like I said
I'm personally fine with characters having stereotypical traits if they pass both of those things I mentioned
I know SGG has and would never write A)
So that's there
And there is more to her as a character.
As much as it's relegated to backstory... 90% of most characters is backstory.
Sybil was also an intelligent and competent woman in basically every other respect. The version we see is Processed to hell and back, exaggerating certain traits and leaving very little of her behind.
fresh raven
fair enough
copper trout
I found her to be a reasonably sympathetic antagonist. When I played it, I didn't feel like I was supposed to hate her.
If the story had done it such that it conveyed a sense of "you're supposed to hate the scary lesbian", whole different story
But none of the game really felt like that to me. As for the Kendrells... I always did kinda read the cowards thing as Boxer sort of monkeying with the UI.
Because some of the other UI prompts do leak some of his personality
I can't remember what exactly. But I do recall that some of those little hover prompts were a little too playful for an emotionless data sword.
I also quite liked the way this game handled a gender nonconforming/NB character. Subtle and not treated as other.
That may be partly why I don't have an issue with the game - it's the whole package. The overall atmosphere. Does it feel like a world where people of different sexualities and gender identities and ethnicities are treated as Other, or discriminated against? Not to me.
In that context, I think, it's fine to have characters like this. Because the world itself takes great care to establish that it doesn't operate on those biases or seek to affirm them.
If it were missing that sympathy on a base worldbuilding level... yikes. But in Cloudbank, same-sex relationships seem like just relationships, and characters are individuals. The story is all about how loss of individuality in favor of all-encompassing democratization can do harm, and emphasizes that by portraying characters in death with the very uniqueness that was obscured in life.
hot tree
Because the world itself takes great care to establish that it doesn't operate on those biases or seek to affirm them. but the writing still has homophobic tropes in it-- it doesn't matter if the game is setting itself up as not homophobic if the implications and writing undercut that worldbuilding. ultimately, i didn't feel like the good outweighed the bad in that area.
also, very politely criticizing a game isn't 'taking over' or 'controlling what is and isn't acceptable', and comparing gay people criticizing something that affects them personally to 4chan trolls is gross.
copper trout
Okay, since we've reached the level of calling things/people "gross" like that, I'm done, have fun. That goes past "respectful disagreement".
wispy stratus
Haven't we been talking about how stuff makes us feel the whole time?
copper trout
@wispy stratus Sure, but it's a bit rude to be slinging things like that at people in the conversation because you disagree with them. :/
what is going on here?
copper trout
Nothing really.
wispy stratus
it's the usual discussion of lgbt representation and stereotypes we have every other month
zenith beacon
yeah i'm reading through this right now
tropic cedar
Oh yeah, it's amusing how the UI is not always an objective conveyor of information.
By and large it is, but there's the whole "cowards" thing, and then if you get overkill too high, it displays a unique message, like "that's just mean" or something like that
copper trout
There are plenty of random jokes like that in there.
Seems fairly obvious to me that Boxer's having a giggle
tropic cedar
And let's not forget every enemy except like Man is named by boxer
copper trout
It may be a throwback to Rucks saying "Now that's just plain overkill" if you do Mortar Cannon in Bastion btw
That last one
I wonder.
SGG does like those subtle nods to "you're breaking the game stop". Poor Heat Gauge.
supple shoal
Wait there were lgbt themes in transistor whut
final helm
The Kendrells are married...
drifting timber
Ye, they also mention in Sibyl's function bio she had a crush on Red.
final helm
And Bailey Gilande has her gender down as "X", which can be read in a few ways, none of which cis
tropic cedar
ngl, I just kinda initially assumed that they had the same last name coincidently and didn't think about it much further
It's really obvious once you think about it though
Dunno if I'd call it themes though, just nuance to the various characters
copper trout
The very first time I thought they were relatives, but that time I wasn't paying enough attention.
jolly radish
i was so pleased when i first noticed their shared name
tropic cedar
is it common though for people in gay marriages to take one of their names? I don't actually know any gay and married people >.>
jolly radish
i think different people do different things! much like non-gay married folks i would say
copper trout
I legit thought they were brothers or something when I didn't know their ages or anything, though
Rolled 1 on spot check
pulsar lily
Different people do different things, and in this case it also serves a purpose of signaling to the player they are married
tropic cedar
true, the matter is very concrete this way
patent marsh
even if they didnt have the same last name, Asher's messages were very clear that he deeply cared
tropic cedar
The line of "Grant... Grant's not doing so well right now" is a pretty pivotal one, you go from assuming the absolute worst of this guy to really starting to wonder about what he wanted
cuz, iirc, you don't get access to Tap() or Void() (?) until after this point
pulsar lily
I thi k I got offered Tap right before
little pagoda
watch me get annihilated by transistor when i come back because im too used to hades controls
zenith beacon
WOW you can take that post out of context so bad 
full peak
I just finished the game and oh boy is it such an amazing game.
little pagoda
preach
full peak
Theres not multiple endings is there? I hope not
little pagoda
there's not
little pagoda
😔
stiff crater
now play it again 
little pagoda
its okay we're all on the same (paper) boat here
zenith beacon
lööps
full peak
i was in it more for the story than the game
zenith beacon
recöörsion
full peak
it just makes the game harder?
little pagoda
plus i didnt really catch some of the story my first time around so running it a second time has been nice
oh hey do at least start it
zenith beacon
i love that tutorial bit in the recursion
little pagoda
theres not much change but theres a little surprise at the start of recursion
full peak
oh theres mroe to it than just new game+?
zenith beacon
where the game just goes 🍌🍌 and spawns a truckload of those tutorial arrows and then just goes 
- you know the drill *
oh...
little pagoda
The start has two little surprises, the first one kraja said
zenith beacon
😅
little pagoda
other than that recursion is the same, with the addition of Agency tests where you battle yourself
being able to get each function for a second time and combine them like that
and also i think theres a little easter egg of the corruption being heavier than in the first playthrough
little pagoda
oh yeah you get endgame foes right off he bat
huh
little pagoda
yes
little pagoda
i read it on the wiki but when i knew about it i think i noticed it
but yeah recursion is more for like, idk when you feel like replaying transistor
zenith beacon
yeah - about that...
recently i've had less than... pleasant experience with recursion
i haven't played transistor in years and last week i wanted to show it off to a friend
i wanted to show him how nuts some of the functions get later on
but most of my profiles were at the end of the game and one of them was at the end of a... i think 4th recursion or something nuts like that
so i fired that one up and tried to get to the nearest access point to show him all the functions...
and it felt like i was re-learning how to play the game from scratch
but on a super-duper-hard difficulty
i barely made it to that poster cutscene and i gave up
i guess that's on me, but it wasn't really fun
it was messy as hell and i guess i didn't show off the game in a good way
zenith beacon
copper trout
I hate Haircuts.
stiff crater
it's okay you can grow your hair out if you want
zenith beacon
i did, actually
copper trout
Lul
calm jackal
Passive bounce is the only way to deal with haircuts I think
zenith beacon
until my boss was like "yo - this ain't gonna fly, you gotta cut this mess"
and there it goes, almost a meter of cool long hair gone...
i should've donated it or something
little pagoda
Ping is also a very good way to deal with Haircuts
also if i remember Jaunt ju s t as they nuke but thats risky
tropic cedar
notably the game doesn't get any harder after the first recursion is completed
in fact, it probably gets easier given that you should have all 32 levels by then
or 24 or whatever the max level was
I don't recommend replaying the game immediately though, it's amazing how much the illusion breaks down if you do that
I bet you could beat the game in like an hour if you ignored the narration, side rooms, and blitzed through encounters
grizzled heron
stoic plover
this is bothering me
which song in transistor is close to this
I swear one of the background music for the levels is really similar
copper trout
@stoic plover Blank Canvas/Paper Boats?
I can hear a bit of the guitar riff in Blank Canvas
stoic plover
not bad 
I feel like its closer to paper boats (instrumental) and old friends?
I can hear the guitar bit too in Blank canvas
but the rest is far too different imho
stiff crater
The build up at 3 minutes is very close to the climax of Blank Canvas though
copper trout
idk about background/instrumental though.
zenith beacon
wet oar
transistor is just
spiritually inspiring. i'm mostly here to talk hades but i do want to, like, register my love here
surreal rock
Love successfully registered
humble orbit
Transistors been my fav game since it's release in 2014
dusky tapir
Here's a little story. I had 100% the game (and continued to play), and one day, my sister visited me. I played the game with her, since she loves the soundtrack, and when it got to...THAT ending, she went "wait WHAT". We cried at the Paper Boats credit scene and boy she gets why I love this game now
surreal rock
I’ll never forget that moment of “Oh ****” when I realized what was about to happen
dusky tapir
Yeah definitely. Even though I knew what was about to happen, seeing my sister react to it just gives me all the feels.
keen karma
Finished the game again four years after the first time, still the best ever. Now onto NG+ and 100% (and to see Junction Jan‘s different food options).
Also I dunno if it‘s a legitimate strategy, but I started using Spark() along with Jaunt() and Switch() which means I can just spam it everywhere all the time and it works almost too well lol
keen karma
And Jaunt, yeah
keen karma
Yeah I mostly use it to just ‚eliminate‘ like half of the enemies to focus on others, but you can also create some kind of meta game where you make the enemies kill themselves
calm jackal
switch feels like a crutch to me, in the sense that I have a lot more fun without it
keen karma
Oh sure, it‘s kinda overpowered (you can even switch Ladies and Men like wut) but I‘m glad it exists. I‘m just bad at games :D
brazen trench
Listening to She Shines right now, this game's ost is so good
Been a while since I finished my last run-through but I might buy it again for pc to play a third time
keen karma
The soundtrack is absolutely gorgeous. Old Friends in the intro was enough to give me goosebumps. She Shines is just a bonus track and doesn't appear in the game, right?
full peak
Yes, was released some months after the game came out.
stiff crater
Ah yes for the release of the very popular Apple TV version that we've all played
copper trout
She Shines really should be added to the Steam track...
calm jackal
i think she shines was the download music for apple tv?
keen karma
urgh _n C_rcl_s is so good as well
copper trout
Oh yeah. Agreed. I love the Processed songs
inland mirage
She Shines is in the game files by default I think
I have it but don't own the OST
lunar mesa
i believe both the regular and the extended version with all the humming has she shines on it but don't quote me on it
pulsar lily
I know they added it to the Steam soundtrack download at some point, because I have it
keen karma
TIL Red hums the melody of Paper Boats to Blank Canvas
drifting timber
YEAH it hecked me up when i noticed
narratively, it's such a powerful moment too
keen karma
Oh hey, 100% done. Though to be fair, for the 10 limiter achievement I resorted to the spark switch jaunt combo again
oak thorn
how do you even beat the game with all the limiters on
it's like
everything just wont die
zenith beacon
first you slap them with void() (or two) ||or three||
then you de-buff them with crash()
then you stack as much dmg as you can
and finish it off with Cull()
done?
cool
run away, use mask() and wait for your turn to recharge
rinse and repeat until complete()
pallid oak
i actually folded Crash() into Void() and used that extra slot for Jaunt() + Breach() Spark(), to clear those core shields while Turn()'s on cooldown
undone warren
Yeah crash is a must have for any loadout if you’re going with full limiters
night mulch
How heavy do you think the Transistor is?
inland mirage
Pretty heavy but not incredibly so, since Royce is able to place it on his shoulder with minimal difficulty
sour quail
This implies that Red drags it behind her because it looks cooler
Which I am willing to believe
lunar mesa
i mean it can also be symbolizing the weight of seeing her loved one killed before her eyes
wispy stratus
You can move it telekinetically so royce treats it as lighter than it is
Red doesn't have the same level of mastery so she just treats it like a big heavy sword
near wagon
Flourish though
lyric forge
yeah I think it's easy to carry
red just wanted to look cool draggin her sword bf everywhere
when she uses crash she lifts it above her head
manic lava
it's also just really big and bulky so there aren't a lot of good ways to carry it
upbeat sky
wispy stratus
Could be that you can flourish it pretty easily but it still weighs enough that you wouldn't want to carry all the time
And yeah bulky things are tiring to carry even if they don't weigh much
I think it is also said somewhere that there is a difference in how they conceptualise the transistor too which changes how they treat it
pulsar lily
i am entirely willing to believe she does it to piss off the camerata
manic lava
red: oh kill my boyfriend? ill drag your fancy sword on the ground. heck you
wispy stratus
i'd believe it
pulsar lily
what's great is royce actually does have a voice line complaining about it
although it might not actually play in-game? not sure. i know it's in that compilation of all his lines on youtube, anyway
little pagoda
Its not in the game
Great line, though
and you've been dragging it like that. On the ground.
inland mirage
the cut lines make me feel like royce was meant to be a larger part of the game rather than just kinda...showing up to exposition during the nonstop Man() fights
pulsar lily
kind of wonder if all the camerata were meant to have bigger roles at one point
grant especially, the imagery in the trailers and even in the early parts of the game kind of plays him up as the big bad and then he ultimately doesn't even have a speaking part
i love the game but it's so short it's like it almost didn't have time to flesh out the cast other than red and boxer
and royce. they actually did a great job with royce given how short his part actually is.
inland mirage
on one hand grant not getting to do anything due to ||his suicide|| was actually kinda interesting to me given how they set him up
on the other hand, I do really wish we got more of the Camerata throughout the game
little pagoda
I was scared of Grant for the entire game up to that point
And when that fear turned into ||nothing, a void (pun unintended) after seeing what had happened||
I just left the place in silence sorta wide eyed
pulsar lily
I was biting my nails on the way up, fully expecting ||a double boss fight|| and i think what actually happened hit the harder for it
little pagoda
^^^^^
lunar mesa
yea
it hit harder that these people that seemed unbeatable || killed themselves|| in the end to avoid the process
jolly radish
royce can lift the transistor because royce is a jock
lunar mesa
hes a twink that is a coding gremlin
he literally lives away from everything just to be around the transistor
jolly radish
god i wish that were me
lunar mesa
the first part or second part
jolly radish
yes
rare moth
royce lifting you?
lunar mesa
i can tell you from first hand that being a coding gremlin is both the worst and the best thing ever
copper trout
Red, dragging the Transistor: <:
Red, also dragging the Camerata by extension: :>
icy heron
Sybil ||crawling on the floor after the yellow orb explodes in her boss fight|| was just...
I cannot describe how bad I feel when I dealt the last hit
Ouch. Just ouch.
copper trout
Red is just making abstract art with the edge of the giant circuit board sword.
Guys.
icy heron
but the mark never stays
copper trout
You know how the Transistor is referred to as a brush, and Cloudbank the canvas
Maybe she just took it literally
Alas, it doesn't last long enough to doodle dongs all over Royce's lab
twin summit
royce is an eboy with a cyberpunk aesethetic
icy heron
too tired to be an eboy tho
he sounds like he's dying inside, the constant smoking doesn't help
twin summit
sounds like an eboy
icy heron
fair
rigid linden
hi i have a question about transistor on Steam being drmfree. i was trying to find out info about it in a game dev site. i was under the impression that steam requires the drm wrapper for all games released on steam. so that all games would be drm. how is it that some games seem to be drm-free?
like this one
pulsar lily
@jolly radish crouching nerd, hidden jock
but the real question: is a nerd/jock hybrid called a nock or a jerd
wispy stratus
I would go for jerd, so as to avoid confusion with the actual word nock
Which i suspect many nerd/jocks would know from mediaeval warfare recreation
zenith beacon
I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED
someone's been talking about muh boy Royce 
Royce {
with a name like that i bet he has a pretty cool and fancy looking signature
keen karma
At what point do people decide to go for a fancy signature
lunar mesa
royce would definately have a fancy signature hes so extra
keen karma
using the transistor as his pencil
zenith beacon
a transistor pen - i like that
zenith beacon
you know - a thing that ||transi-stores|| the ink
little pagoda
.
zenith beacon
little pagoda
Im going to hit you with the ferocity of a sugarhighed child that found a stick
lunar mesa
i don't think its possible to stop kraja
zenith beacon
i'm unstoppable
kinda like the process but punnier
copper trout
What kind of Process are they, exactly?
Seems like by the end of the game they were mostly a Process of elimination.
zenith beacon
oh my god 
i'm so proud of you @copper trout
grand aspen
thats amazing
elder prairie
https://twitter.com/ivyfriday/status/1240859243491864577 i know the supergiant twitter retweeted this, but i made some arts of my fave mathematician architect...he's so good
rare moth
oooohhh i saw this earlier, i love it 🤩
lunar mesa
i love it so much
little pagoda
HE
lunar mesa
grumpy boi
twin summit
arm-
little pagoda
nerdmaster supreme
pulsar lily
oh ho, the crystal twitter
just gonna coincidentally bump into this follow button here
full peak
sybil reisz is a simp
twin summit
this was a take i wasn't expecting but
inland mirage
hey he's not wrong though
drowsy garden
HAHA
little pagoda
I had to look up what that word means
drowsy garden
but is auden a simp 
drowsy garden
its like a niceguy, but instead of berating a girl they just kinda demean themselves to look better in the girl's eyes
usually in an attempt to get laid, but not always
inland mirage
if you or a friend have done any of the following
- been nice for the express purpose of pursuing a relationship
- intentionally humiliated yourself in order to win approval
- used a technomagical sword from outside reality to murder her boyfriend
- been accused of "simping" by others
evaluate your behavior, you may be a simp
near wagon
- tell her that you've saved her as she comes at you holding the sword with her dead boyfriend inside
drowsy garden
sybil is such a tragic character doe :c
near wagon
when a ploy backfires, the one who was previously holding the gun can't be really called a victim
drowsy garden
i think that's debatable and i don't sympathize with sybil just because she failed
near wagon
the failure makes her deserve a bit more sympathy
drowsy garden
true, but that's not where all of it comes from personally
near wagon
because she did not want to create that much harm
here, the ideal outcomes for Sybil were 1) auden punched the sword into the ground, exposed the camarata, but sybil got to come out on probation thanks to having foiled the camarata's plan, Red falls for Sybil for saving the city or 2) Auden died by sword, Sybil elopes with Red or convinces the camarata that she doesn't need to be killed after all, Red falls Sybil for saving her
but the actual outcome was, well, the game
lunar mesa
thats pretty gross
drowsy garden
well the lore is very ambiguous in that we don't know if they were being killed or not. or if they were even real to begin with
near wagon
they were conscious, so they were real
maybe only in data form, but still real in-game
drowsy garden
hmm
im inclined to agree but i could totally see a debate just on the realness of cloudbank
but were they killed?
near wagon
that's where I can agree that it's ambiguous
since death appears to just transfer them to the country
lunar mesa
i thought that only the people asorbed by the tranisitor go to the country
drowsy garden
no, the people absorbed go into the transistor
near wagon
Asher and Grant killed themselves and Asher said see you in the country anyway
drowsy garden
like the royce fight had the containers
well, ig even if they didn't die, it's effectively an entire removal of agency
near wagon
so it's effectively like killing
drowsy garden
mhm
although auden sometimes did things on his own no? i cant remember
so perhaps they can exert their will on the world sometimes
regardless, absorbing people not very good morally
near wagon
yet there seems to be a copy... how to say that
the auden in the country and the auden in the transistor might be two different copies of the same person
transistor is also like a flash drive, isn't it? it might be storing copies of those people, as seen in with the containers... unless
little pagoda
I aim to please :'D
lunar mesa
KRAJA
finite wigeon
Shows Kraja the... Transis-Door
lunar mesa
i’m never gonna win
am i
inland mirage
guess they're gonna get away with this, are they
little pagoda
ITS TIME TO STOP
finite wigeon
But Hammer Time is the Kid's thing, not Red 
lunar mesa
analog gate
But maybe it's Red's turn() now
little pagoda
lunar mesa
reds coming for y'all
little pagoda
I'd let her 😍
woven spruce
oh god that ^^^ reminded me of a convo i had the first time i played transistor
cuz my friend gifted it to me on steam when it was like,, 2 dollars
"i love red i would let her stab me with the transistor"
"lianna don't come back penetrated by a giant sword pls"
grand aspen
little pagoda
does nothing, takes the entire turn planning time
tears makes the enemy feel bad
its like a worse Swich(), they dont fight for you, they just stare at you like 😦
lunar mesa
its the opposite of the switch
little pagoda
much like switch this one also doesnt work on bosses
lunar mesa
its a stun move then
little pagoda
wouldnt it be funny if you could Switch Royce though.
lunar mesa
i would do it just to piss him off
little pagoda
OH BUT THAT WOULD MAKE HIM SO MAD
lunar mesa
and even then i think he would be more curious of how you did that rather than mad
wispy stratus
i think the first one would make him go hmmm and the second and third and fourth ones would make him progressively more annoyed
lunar mesa
yea
little pagoda
"I don't feel that way about you, red!!!"
woven spruce
switch()ing on royce? honey throw a calculator at him it'll go faster
calm jackal
get him one of those nice programming calculators.... he'll fall in love for sure
lunar mesa
you mean a graphing calculator?
calm jackal
No, one where the number buttons go all the way up to F
lunar mesa
which part?
inland mirage
the part they linked, probably
lunar mesa
WELP
IM STUPID
also
this was before the launch of transistor so it could be the earlier verison
kinda like ursa idea or Bard Duet
stiff crater
jesus that was almost 7 years ago
lunar mesa
oh crap
untold fjord
@lunar mesa in video it's much more simplistic, maybe that's why i liked it. definitely an earlier version, but my favorite version is this one hands down. so natural and so raw, i love it.
foggy berry
i just got here and cried for 30 minutes straight in front of my friends in voice chat thank you for making me die inside
what i meant is that i finished the game and then started crying
im gonna keep crying now
little pagoda
It really does
full peak
As I like to say "On a scale from 'I don't want to go,' to Paper Boats, how gross is your sobbing right now?"
lunar mesa
'I don't want to go,' ?
full peak
The tenth Doctor's last words before he regenerates.
lunar mesa
ah
i don't watch doctor who
full peak
I've seen very little but that scene was brutal.
little pagoda
I thought you were talking about infinity war for a second
keen karma
If you like sobbing at the end of games, try RiME, To The Moon and Finding Paradise :)
inland mirage
man I tried To The Moon and just could not get into it
it's less of a game and more of just watching a story
even by VN standards
keen karma
Yeah it's not perfect, the 'gameplay' has some weird quirks too
Oh you mean that, sure that's not everyone's cup of tea. I love those walking simulators
For more game-y games, there's Senua's Sacrifice and Bioshock Infinite (which includes Burial at Sea 1+2, imho the best DLC out there)
lunar mesa
i still need to play bioshock
keen karma
I envy you, it's a journey for sure
little pagoda
TO THE MOON REALLY HURT
fading robin
Can anyone help me find (or just tell me) the first few notes of Coasting from the soundtrack? I wanna use it as my town tune in Animal Crossing. ☺️
twin summit
on it
devout ledge
I'm working on it too! It feels difficult to translate into such a minimalist format but I thiiiink it can be done in a recognizable way? 🤔
twin summit
D F A F Bb D F D A
A C# A C# D G D A
the last A being high
@fading robin
did the best i could being away from my computer
fading robin
That rules you guys are the best
Now how do I tell if the notes are sharp or flat? 😳
twin summit
sharp is #, flat is b
fading robin
No I mean in AC, sorry
twin summit
ah, don’t know, don’t have the game
devout ledge
yeah unfortunately they don't differentiate in game
fading robin
Ah well I'm unsure if it even accounts for that then
twin summit
could try to transpose to an all natural key
devout ledge
the beginning of my very rudimentary version is:
D rest F rest Low A F rest
Because I was trying to account for the guitar opening feel. 🤔
fading robin
It's tough when all you have to with is like 2 measures
twin summit
let me try to transpose it real quick
devout ledge
Okay here's a super stripped down version to try. All notes are in the mid section.
D rest F rest A F rest B
rest F rest F rest B F rest
I think I better captured the general "tone" of the tune rather than the exact notes, but there's a lot of fun guitar stuff going on to choose between. 🤔
fading robin
Yeah for sure. I guess it isn't as sinple as I had hoped
twin summit
A C E C A A C A E
E B E B A B A C
this isn’t exact cause if i directly transposed what i had before, i’m gonna have an accidental no matter what
so i had to replace those notes with another chord tone that was natural
fading robin
Hmmm... It's not quite sounding like how I hoped, so I may go with a different song
Any songs that have highly memorable notes that only span 2 measures??? Haha
I'm going with the Wii theme music for now, haha
Thank you for your help @twin summit and @devout ledge ♥️
devout ledge
Np! Sorry I couldn't make it happen! The Wii music is a great choice. 😄
inland mirage
there's a site called nooknet that has a bunch of songs, they might have something
lunar mesa
ultimate guitar tab is also a good place to find songs
oak thorn
ultimate guitar tab is also a good place to find songs
songsterr is vastly better imo
if you're on pc you get a virtual instrument playing through the tab as well which is very helpful
sometimes the tab isn't 100% accurate especially with super fast shred sections but it's mostly small things you can figure out with ear
little pagoda
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