#can I get some help with fleets for the
nocturne tide
main fleet
vang
I seemed to not deal enough damage before the shield and my vanguards die before I can destroy the shield
rich stream
fdg nj dork - aegir helena unzen
enty avp haku - anch kazagumo sirius
monarch wv howe - azuma anshan chang chun
hood owari odin - heinrich sanfran drake
anti med setup
most bb need radar with loaders to shoot before shield with low tech rld
shooting after shield not possible unless manual for bb
cv can go fast or slow depending on ur tech and setup so adjust accordingly
nocturne tide
that's quite a bit different than what I ran, let me try this, thanks 
should I go 457s or champagne gun for bbs?
my tech is 12 rld
rich stream
champy
assuming they are +13, if not u can go 457 on the non helena comps
and forego autloader for white shells
nocturne tide
I see, so for +13 champagne I'd pair the HPFCR with black shell?
rich stream
no ud pair with hpfcr and autoloader,
idk if non oath 12 rld is fast enough even for nj
dork would prob want 457 either way
howe comp idk either
prob not fast enough either
nocturne tide
ohh, that purple loader
rich stream
but yea autoloader only if u want to auto, if ure willing to manual then u can use shells
nocturne tide
i'll try the hpfcr + shell first and see how it goes
rich stream
i call it manual but its just tapping auto off when they are close to loading their shells then tapping auto on again when shield expires
nocturne tide
ok right, the howe team is way to slow, gonna try autoloader now
azuma was dead by the time the shield spawned anyways so I can't really utilize the manual tactic 
rich stream
oh yea strength delets vang 
could try replacing change there with jda
nocturne tide
even with 457s I only get the 3rd salvo off from WV before the shield 
are we aiming here for 3 salvos?
rich stream
ur vang dies?
nocturne tide
yep the vang dies soon after, but my Howe and Monarch only get 2 salvos off with 457 and double shell
champy + hpfcr and autoloader was too slow even for WV
rich stream
run radar
or do u only have 1 ?
they all should have radar up
to help u fire before shield
rich stream
white
nocturne tide
do I need that much hit?
rich stream
its just better
u only take fp over hit for rly low eva bosses
which harbiters arent
but if ur black shells are +13 and white not then take black
nocturne tide
I see
enty with ryuusei is 0.7 sec quicker than AVP and haku
do I beacon these two?
rich stream
mby, they could be 2 fast
are u manualing ? coz u want ur cv around 23s air launch
and within 0.2Xs within each other
if auto
nocturne tide
yes, I'll manual the cv fight i guess
