Is gameplay related discussion for old players forbidden in #gameplay-help?

[opaque mural]

i was told to stop when discussing ship exp farming strategy when you run out of backline ships to level, mod stopped me for "personal stuff" and added "no newbie ever going to lv DD for stuff like this"
so old players are not allowed to discuss gameplay related topics? and since this is a topic not yet worked on, people had to utilize the personal experience to form up some meaningful conclusions, yet mod suggested that the topic can only go to #al-general
or if discussion itself is not allowed in gph, please add that in #rules

[sturdy galleon]

(and side question, are players not allowed to get help with faction fleets?)

[thorn shale]

here's my four cents on this stuff:

dfgqsb, old player strat discussion should be fine to do, unless if someone asking for a question goes there. Give related advice, and once that guy is content with that advise, go back to previous discussion.

suchiguma... honestly, at least try to help 'em regarding faction fleet stuff. some of the ppl asking that has that as one of their goals playing the game, as most of you guys could maybe attest (unless if you went for the meta back then). most of the time, after those ppl have achieved that, they'll continue playing the game either way, and will ask more other questions. yes, it's something gph regulars dislike, but the spirit of the channel is to ask gameplay related questions, and getting those answered. even if those questions may be stupid questions.
only time where it's okay not to answer questions if it's not related to in-game mechanics. those get whisked away to #al-general or #off-topic if possible

[stray stream]

Back when I was a regular in GPH, whenever someone wanted to use faction fleets we would warn them about it being not so great or dumb, and if they acknowledge that and still want to do it, we, or at least I, would help them or move it to DMs and help them there at least. Especially back then when faction based fleets were in a much worse place than they are now. But like Oxalis said, "the spirit of the channel is to ask gameplay related questions, and getting those answered. even if those questions may be stupid questions."

It's unfortunate that they responded to a request like that in the way they did, negative responses albeit not as negative as cheekywarship are only okayish if the person is on the newer side is unable to even complete the request that he wants in a way that would work, ex not even having good ships for the faction they want

In light of having threads now, I would imagine certain requests be able to get some help since one problem was it clogging up the main chat if not moved to private DMs. I would also like to mention what Kevo said is false as GPH should still help or at least reason with them about it instead of outright denying any help. GPH and I use to help once we reasoned with them, such as what options they have.

If anything I can only vouch for older gph when I was there, but Suchiguma, if you are a gph regular, I wouldn't know, try to help request like those and those that aren't complete stupid or trolly. And go through the process of finding out where they are in the game, if they have the options to make a good faction fleet, it ain't much different from helping with normal fleets is it? Faction fleets are only stupid if they are newer, meaning they don't have options or are still early game.

[urban fulcrum]

I'm going to say this here, but the faction fleet is usually a thing you need to have to grin PR/DR XP, so knowing a Faction setup should at least be considered to maximize the XP gain potential

[opaque mural]

why is my post NTRed by faction fleet related discussion

[sturdy galleon]

[stray stream]

Usually people will be more specific with something like grinding PR/DR but that goes in hand with trying to clarify and reason with someone about their request they need help on.

[stray stream]

On the other hand, dfg, hats off to you btw, old player discussion should be perfectly fine, as long as it didn't somehow interrupt another discussion or was randomly brought up, and was with another older player. There have been worse in the past. Simply GPH has priority for newer players, but it doesn't mean older players help isn't allowed, it isn't new-player-help after all. It only becomes a problem when the discussion starts to look like general chatting.

I don't know the full context but in the end, it should be discussed with a moderator instead of some retired gphelper

[opaque mural]

thanks man, i believe you were right, they should rename gph to new-player-help if they do want to ban stuffs useless to new players.
and tbh, what we were talking about aren't that far away to mid-late game players, as i'm actually in this status for more than half a year. since the extra coin and oil cap, ship leveling is much more attractive for normal players and being more doable than it used to be, it won't take too long for a lot of them to run out of backline ships to level like me.

[cunning plaza]

i mean, i already explained to you yesterday. I have never say anything or interrupt anything if ya'll having an actual discussion regarding the question asked or tiny bit of other discussion not related to question. But like i said yesterday, the deeper it go the more leaning toward personal topic, im just reminding you about that and set the DD thing as an example. The prior question regarding this was answered and i don't see any reason to go way way more into detail about all the latter stuff. Feel free if you want to do a further discussion about it in thread as per user question yesterday or go to #al-general. We have seperate channel for these stuff for a reason. Each channel has their own focus hence they are seperate in the first place, if we gonna allow "old player" as you said to just freely discuss stuff not related to question, then i don't see the difference between al gen. So hope that clear anything you asked. If you have anything to ask since my english isn't exactly great either feel free, ill try to make it more clear

[opaque mural]

and i have explained that too, "and since this is a topic not yet worked on, people had to utilize the personal experience to form up some meaningful conclusions", otherwise there is nothing we can use as the basis of the discussion except "i have an idea out of nowhere", which is worse than personal experience imo

and about after the prior question answered part, it's actually my question to nntktt about leveling strategy, i was interested in the topic so started a discussion, and since we both know there is no correct answer to it, no question asked but we just started the discussion directly. i don't see anything wrong about digging deeper after the question was answered, since it's gameplay related, or are you implying we should shut up after answering questions, like machines? and why new players want ask something, they can ask directly, but old players have to use thread to discuss, even after we have just helped a new player, in a related topic? i mean im not even asking for a privilege or something like that...

I'm Chinese so we can switch to Chinese if you want, or we will have to stick to English since i can't read any other language

[cunning plaza]

nah i can't chinese, okay. You might not get what i exactly mean. but this is the 5 example i got from yesterday. Honestly, all these feels like a blog if you know what i mean, i can tell the difference between people doing discussion or leaning toward more of a blog personal. I been in the channel for a while and i know what each people do, i never been the no fun zone type, i let people discuss what they want as long it feels like an actual discussion, like you also been in the channel for awhile, i believe we can agree on this part. Example being is the recent FdG bug and i saw you were discussion about FdG barrage not being active when musashi is taking the damage as flag and this is a fine discussion, but from me the 5 example i gave out did not feel like that

it's all talking about you and nntktt ran out of backline and about it being painful to lv blue dds

i mean it's fine to not agree on something, you can give feedback and ill look into it more, but for me all these feels more of a blog than discussion

im not a person that goes strict on some shit, so like when i just call it out, relax, im just usually reminding people and feel free to tell feedback because im also make error on some stuff

[opaque mural]

well the first and second ones demonstrating what we did
for me riceist's comment implys he did want to avoid painful gameplay and seeking for discussion to avoid it
4th is nntktt raising an alternative way to level
5th is my reply to him about why i was obsessed with MVP control

1 and 2 may look like blogging, but the later 3 don't at all, imo

and the trend was that we were raising opinions based on what we did, then explain why we did it

and no worries, i respect authorities, i will obey any kind of moderation, and no hard feelings
but since this is the place for feedback, i would like to get a clearer answer for that

[cunning plaza]

yeah, okay. It's a fair thing to say and i understood what point you made, thanks for the feedback ill be more considerate on those in the future. Tho 1 thing im still gonna enforce depend on traffic on the channel at certain moment, it's best to keep to focus on answering rather than taking it into indepth discussion but i will still allow it on thread

[cunning plaza]

you are fully allowed to help with faction fleet

it's just impression from what people see about faction fleet = meme = not gameplay help

which not all faction fleet question goes there

[opaque mural]

same here, i would make the discussions less blog-ish, it's true that blogging isn't pleasant to anyone, and i'll try to make discussions more legit, like in question style, and more independent to existing questions

[cunning plaza]

ye, aight do you have other question? if not gonna close the forum

[opaque mural]

not anymore, thanks for the answer