#if you re that new prob don t
obsidian slate
I'm a fast learner, avid researcher and competent writer. Vets not bothering writing stuff for new players and new players being told not to write is why guides don't get updated 🙂
You'd obviously want it peer-reviewed for accuracy
pure marsh
why is this a thread 
obsidian slate
Cuz it's not answering a question regarding gameplay mechanics, but still gameplay adjacent
sage pike
if you really want to contribute, you could probably add to Snub's guide, but tbh that's mostly cause Snub is lazy
pure marsh
what gameplay mechanics are you looking answers to ?
obsidian slate
None. Gameplay adjacent, not related to mechanics. Documentation of gameplay help itself.
sage pike
he knows what to change too so. anyways, there's not much point to write an entire guide when the game is rather complex, and there are already resources
pure marsh
the scope of a guide is to teach basics and general guidelines about the game and not to go indepth tto specific mechanics
if you want deep dives theres plenty of resources
obsidian slate
Exactly. I was looking for a "Commonly asked questions" compendium, but didn't see one.
pure marsh
most of the commonly asked questions are answered by bot commands
obsidian slate
There's a FAQ, but it doesn't address all the usual good advice we see in chat all the time
Correct. And we have to hit each command to show them all
sage pike
frankly if you want to write a guide, maybe find someone who's already done one, or write one yourself and ask for peer review. No harm in that I guess, but be prepared for the fact that there's a lot of nuance, with tons of charts/images already available, and guides aplenty
so like, feel free ig, no harm done. just a lot of work when it's kind of already there
obsidian slate
Oh, absolutely, which, as Ren said, is a deep dive. Newbies get overwhelmed by that, and stop reading.
I was more interested in an "elevator speech" version of "Do these things and you're not gonna have a bad time"
E.g. "Maintain 400 cubes to pull for UR" "Only pull 1 light ship per day" etc.
"Don't use Combat Packs for XP"
I don't want to write such a list. I wanted to find one already written, so if you're both so against the idea of writing one, please direct me to one so I can just link newbies to it. 😉
pure marsh
dividing information has its benefits, if you were to compile a list of all FAQ and put them in a paragraph/img most ppl would stop reading halfway and would ask in chat anyway
the people who are prepared to read already have an affinity for optimizing/min maxing so theyll go the extra mile to read resources anyway, the others will just look for the specific answer to their current problem then move on with their day
obsidian slate
Maybe.
And the next time they ask, I'll be able to refer them back to the same document, rather than a different one every time they ask a different question
Same way I send any new player asking about chapters to the New Player's Guide, cuz it walks them right through the main campaign
I'm curious: Why are you so against the idea? You seem to have only joined to argue against the idea of trying to help the community
pure marsh
I am not, my general thought is just usually to find a reason to do something and not find a reason not to do something, its not like I am stopping any1 from writing/compiling such a list
obsidian slate
I guess a "Single, easy list of basic hints to refer new players to" isn't a good reason?
pure marsh
ig if I were to say Id just prefer if the information to be more centralized and there not being 10 sources for the same info which a compiled img of FAQ would only pile on the already multiple resources that currently exist
obsidian slate
As would I. But I wouldn't even know where to start to solve that
pure marsh
theres already conflict and people dismiss certain resources so ur img would need to be community compiled unless it would lead to more chaos
obsidian slate
is img an acronym for a kind of guide?
pure marsh
faq compilation ig would be the better term
obsidian slate
Ironically, any guide I wrote would basically be the dictation of the community, from what I see here in the chat, so I guess it'd be about what you described.
ruby jungle
I'm also not against anything, you're free to create your own idea and try to make it better to the community, but like, imagine you sending a link to a person with 50+ FAQ, just to answer their question about how many cubes they want to UR, which anyone could type 400 and move on
The idea of a compendium is nice, I suppose, gathering literally most of the guides into one place and leaving the link to them, but even then there's the gph chat and the bots command
Some people just come to ask and want a simple answer, others who really wanna go deeper in the topic already went through wiki and other resources before asking
I agree that repeating the same stuff for every beginner can be tiring for some people, but we also don't wanna overwhelm them at their first day or two of the game
pure marsh
these were my thoughts aswell
obsidian slate
I think I see some of the confusion: I wouldn't recommend something like this to every newbie asking a question, the same way I don't recommend the new players guide to every question asked by a sprout username. More of a "Hmm, this person has now asked 5 questions, all of which are answered by that one wiki page. Time to bust that out."
sage pike
if you want to do it, do it. Be prepared for the fact that you'll maybe have to update it. Tbh it'd be kind of like making a compendium of the guides already extant on this server except that's already available through the gph channel if you just ask.
obsidian slate
Wait, can the AL's wiki pages not be edited by others?
obsidian slate
I meant others with an account
sage pike
no no you can update it if authorized
ig if you want a direction: make a list of all the images/charts/resources that are already available and up to date. Alternatively, just FAQ of some very common newbie questions/issues
obsidian slate
OK. Yeah. I mean, if someone sees an error or there's a change to the game and it needs updated, why wouldn't you authorize the change? Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Perhaps it's less a bad idea to write quick tips for newbies than it is to put them on the wiki?
sage pike
pick a direction and do that, don't try to make a general guide
there's already a wiki, already campaign guide, already equipment guide and so on
obsidian slate
Right. So no need to talk about that.
pure marsh
I think its to avoid missinformation/troll updates
sage pike
anyways. once you have an idea go talk with some vets
obsidian slate
Well, yeah. I mean, "read the changes" before just approving them 🙂
sage pike
or contact someone whose guide you want to update (a good deal are out of date prob
obsidian slate
I'll ask a Wiki Contributor about it. I don't want to write a guide--as you've all said, there are plenty. I just wanted a list of "Important Quick Tips For Newbies" to reference.
The game already throws a ton of info at you at the start, and it's very confusing. A short list of "Do This And You'll Be OK" is something I'd have loved when starting.
sage pike
good luck. that'd be pretty neat I guess
pure marsh
best of luck skk 
obsidian slate
I guess...#off-topic would be the best channel to talk to Wiki writers about it? As odd as that sounds
pure marsh
#wiki-feedback looks appropiate
obsidian slate
Yeah, I went there first but no 😦
pure marsh
sounds like feedback/development suggestion to me but ig contact a wiki person directly since I don't think any1 will check out #off-topic for this and it will scroll past