technology

[lunar patrol]

the main problem is that even on chips with 32MB+ ROMs, chips older than zen2 can't actually address spaces greater than 16MB

makes it way more complicated than necessary to support everything

[hexed citrus]

@severe falcon I had a exam on that in the 1st uni year

[tame topaz]

Quick question: 16 gigs + APU only. Makes sense?

@lunar patrol makes the MAX boards kinda useless in that sense doesn't it

[severe falcon]

well like we went over logic gates and learned how a CPU is theoretically built over the semester, then went into assembly

[lunar patrol]

@tame topaz they divide the 32MB ROM into 2 16MB ROMs but it's certainly not trivial

[severe falcon]

but there was nothing for the rest of the computer

[tame topaz]

Interesting

[hexed citrus]

@lunar patrol not really

it's still a 32MB ROM

the most layman way to explain it is how you partition a hard drive

physically it's one storage device

you logically split it into 2

[severe falcon]

wait like

[lunar patrol]

i'm aware, i didn't mean they physically divide it

[severe falcon]

is it like the ROM contains the info for how its split?

[lunar patrol]

in any case, even though it's technically feasible to just drop support for older chips, from a business perspective it's fucking terrible to drop legacy support

[severe falcon]

which is the 2nd time they have done it

cuz they did it to older graphics cards a few years ago

[lunar patrol]

the GN video again goes into great detail about how just bc it's technically possible for enthusiasts (such as everybody here), it's a terrible user experience to have to track two branches of BIOS

[severe falcon]

and then suddenly had to make a new driver because jsut cause 3 showed how terrible the old driver was

[lunar patrol]

it's really

1. two branches of BIOS and anger general audiences
2. one branch of BIOS and anger enthusiasts

[hexed citrus]

it's also because AMD doesn't ship the code, diagrams and documentation on how to implement stuff

just the precompiled binaries

it's like "here this is the binary for Ryzen 1st gen, if you want support for it then you add it into the ROM"

with actual source code AIB manufacturers could do some optimization for their boards and reduce the size

[lunar patrol]

AMD AGESA right? is there an equivalent that intel ships or do they actually send source to the board partners

[hexed citrus]

they send source

with a ton of documentation

same for nvidia afaik

and quallcom

[severe falcon]

its really weird that AMD doesnt

"lets make the only people that can actually make our products usable have a really hard time"

[hexed citrus]

idk what's the name of the intel initialization enviroment

also

besides AGESA

you also need the security environment for crypto instructions

AMD PSP or Intel ME

those obviously are kept a closed secret

[lunar patrol]

intel ME
laughs in coreboot

[hexed citrus]

open source isn't always better than proprietary

[hexed citrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e6TJ1MwZI8

[vagrant holly]

that's pretty cool

[severe falcon]

how is winrar even a thing

[vagrant holly]

by selling licenses to big companies

and being a meme

[hexed citrus]

as an engineer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp3xW4uncbk

I tank linus for actually giving credit for the engineers over at intel

[hidden night]

idk why conflict between amd and intel

and which is better

[vagrant holly]

BLAH BLAH BLAH LINUSSHILLTIIIIIIIIIIIPS

[civic stump]

idk why conflict between amd and intel
@hidden night simply bc they basically are the only ones that produces processors

[vagrant holly]

if you're talking about conflict about the 2 companies

that's just how the market works

it's not a bad thing, it's competition

if you're talking about conflict between people who support amd and people who support intel

then that's just how people work apparently

but you really shouldn't side with either

linus himself says it in that video

you shouldn't be buying for the brand

you should be buying for the product

[livid scaffold]

well

fanboys will be fanboys

can't do anything about those so best not listen to them

[desert olive]

powertoys is helpful huh

wonder why it isn't in base Windows 10

[hidden night]

can anyone list ssd name brand and Ram name brand?

also Pc tower atx

[vagrant holly]

ssd:
Samsung.

ram:
gigabyte (usually the best bang for buck and what i personally always choose)
hyperX
TridentZ (what i go for when not worried about budget)

[violet nexus]

HECK

Just downgraded stacked switch from SE12 to SE5

Then after downgrading the configuration is gone

[vagrant holly]

for tower you mean case right? in that case ( get it?) just pick what you like the look of, good brands to look for are corsair and cooler master

[violet nexus]

Need to reconfigure everything from scratch

[hidden night]

@vagrant holly thank you~♡♡♡ Mwah Wuv u~♡♡♡♡

[vagrant holly]

i'm not helping you anymore

rot in hell

[hidden night]

AWWW CMON

I WAN U

I NEED U

[hidden night]

@vagrant holly Samsung 970 Evo 250 already good right?

[vagrant holly]

250gb?

that's small, unless you're planning on installing just windows on the ssd and having a hard drive for everything else

[severe falcon]

which is the smart thing

[hexed citrus]

looks at my mostly SSD storage

uhhhhhh

[severe falcon]

no i meant having one small SSD for the OS

and then put everything else on others

[mental coyote]

With SSD prices these days, why even bother with spinning platters?

[vagrant holly]

couze spinning platters are even cheaper

[severe falcon]

cuz 4 TB hard drives are way cheaper than 4 TB ssds

[mental coyote]

And slower.

[severe falcon]

you wont see it

alot of newer games load on the fly instead of with massive loading screens

[vagrant holly]

there are plenty of programs that don't suffer as much from the low speed of the hdds

[hexed citrus]

storing blender/CAD projects on SSD is suicide

[vagrant holly]

like for example, if you record stuff, make 3d models and want your own textures collection and a place to store the 3d models themselves

[severe falcon]

the only time i have ever seen the loading time of a harddrive was when i had an external hard drive that would go to sleep after a minute of not being used

[vagrant holly]

for anything creative, hdd are the ideal mass storage option cost wise

[severe falcon]

i picked up an echo recorder in borderlands 2, and it took 30 seconds to start playing cuz the HDD had to turn on

[mental coyote]

Can't say I do the creation biz. I know you guys do, so fair counter.

[hexed citrus]

also storing things like media on SSD is just a waste

since you either constantly write

or you constantly read

[severe falcon]

and then i realized that an external hdd is the same as an internal one so i broke it open and put it in my rig

[vagrant holly]

wait is it actually a normal hdd with a sata connector inside of those?

[hexed citrus]

not for all

some of them

[vagrant holly]

oh

[mental coyote]

Roll the dice

[violet nexus]

Finally

[hexed citrus]

there's a subreddit that has info on that

[violet nexus]

Done reconfiguring the stacked switch from scratch

[severe falcon]

yeah i got a 3 TB samsung for $120 like 5 years ago
the 1 TB was $90, and the 2 TB was $120

[violet nexus]

I should keep in mind that downgrading will wipe out device running config

[severe falcon]

walmart has some dumb pricing

[hexed citrus]

I bought one of those small samsung portable SSDs

works wonders

[severe falcon]

i have one of those big 500 GB portable flash drives

[hexed citrus]

for flash drives I have 8 16 GB ones

[severe falcon]

cuz unity VR development is horrible

[hexed citrus]

since I know they die fast

[mental coyote]

Think my flash drives are 32 and 16. Haven't used them in ages.

Portable drive's 1Tb, for my backups.

Hell, even phones are getting buff storage, anymore.

[flint bobcat]

@stone wave

Can I get u for a sec

[stone wave]

whats up

[flint bobcat]

I'm building PC for my brother

Is this correct

Like do I need standoffs?

[stone wave]

it varies to some degree based on the case, some cases have standoffs built-in

others require the user to screw them in

[flint bobcat]

Oh I think this one has standoffs

It's like protruded out

[stone wave]

you simply don't want the motherboard to touch the back of the case, aside from the screw holes

cause otherwise it will short and fry

[flint bobcat]

Uh lemme get my model

NZXT H510

[flint bobcat]

Those things right?

[stone wave]

yeah

it might come pre-installed

[flint bobcat]

Aight so I'm good then for those

[stone wave]

or not

[flint bobcat]

Yeah it's not laying on the back

wew, this case is confusing lol

[stone wave]

oh umm move 1 stick of ram

[flint bobcat]

Wym

[flint bobcat]

Ye

[stone wave]

notice the numbering for the slots

its 4231

so occupy slots 1 and 2 or 3 and 4

[flint bobcat]

Right

It's on 1 and 2

Also what are those for

[stone wave]

probably for the m.2 slots

[flint bobcat]

Hm ok

[stone wave]

not entirely sure though

[flint bobcat]

Do the screws come with the motherboard?

[stone wave]

the manual should say what it is

[flint bobcat]

Like for the standoffs

[stone wave]

should come with the case

[flint bobcat]

Ok yeah those are m.2 standoffs

Oh the case?

Ok

[stone wave]

if you need more just order them off of amazon

[flint bobcat]

Ye

I wonder what this is for @stone wave

The 1 standoff

[stone wave]

probably used to tighten or loosen the standoff given the name

[flint bobcat]

@stone wave last question what is this for

Wait

Wtf

[stone wave]

lol

[flint bobcat]

Lemme retake that

[stone wave]

its for the power button reset button and related leds

[flint bobcat]

I need them right?

[severe falcon]

yes

[flint bobcat]

idk how I connect them

[severe falcon]

power button

[stone wave]

did that come with the case or the motherboard

[flint bobcat]

Case

[stone wave]

should be fairly straight forward

the split end connects to the mobo

[flint bobcat]

Is it part of the F panel?

[stone wave]

the case should have a wire that connects up to it

then the split end connects to the mobo

probably the colored portion on the bottom right of it

refer to the manual for the diagram

[flint bobcat]

This?

[stone wave]

yeah if the pin layout matches

again RTFM to be sure

[flint bobcat]

Aight

These are different

@stone wave

Like I connected the power and LED

But now I need to connect to case

[stone wave]

can you not see a cable that matches the pin layout

ive never worked with NZXT cases

but i think

it goes with the one labeled F_Panel

[flint bobcat]

Thanks, everyone is good, finished building

[stone wave]

[violet nexus]

[tame topaz]

Ooh Aria built

[flint bobcat]

Yeah not for me though, I built for brother cause he bought parts

[tame topaz]

Nice

[desert olive]

What did we as humanity do to deserve this? http://kylehalladay.com/blog/2020/05/20/Rendering-With-Notepad.html

[desert olive]

Also I'm so happy this got launched. It has everything on my wish list. No node modules folder with tons of dependencies needing to be downloaded, supports Typescript natively, browser-compatible code, and Web Assembly. https://deno.land/

[hexed citrus]

it has some golang fuckery

such as the dependency cache

and no real way to update said deps

[desert olive]

I'd rather prefer that over node modules folder. My NodeJS projects tend to get really convoluted and complicated really quick.

[hexed citrus]

if you need that level of performance

JS/TS isn't the right language

[desert olive]

not really performance

the maintainability

[quartz atlas]

idk what that is but the art is very cute

https://deno.land

[vast sand]

I like how

my laptop display is only 1080p

but I watch youtube videos at 1440p or 4k if its possible

[subtle hawk]

must supersample

[restive rover]

I like how my laptop display is only 1080p but I watch youtube videos at 1440p or 4k if its possible
It can't be that worse

Me trying to play YouTube video that contains full HD or higher quality (e.g. 4K)

YT was loading a bit longer

Checked the quality setting

Quality: 1080p or Quality: 4K

Me: What the fuck
My ISP that could only buffer the best in 144p: Am I a joke to you?

[zinc meadow]

youtube uses maybe a bit less bitrate at 1080p than you would like so it's not that unreasonable to downscale the 2k or 4k streams

[wary depot]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[hexed citrus]

maybe

[wary depot]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[subtle hawk]

650w should be enough

[civic stump]

i would go for 700w minimum

it's always better to have extra voltage

not too much tought

[hidden night]

650 is enough, higher than that say hello to ye new High Bill Friend

[subtle hawk]

I still don't know whether my pc or aircon is contributing more to the power bill

[wary depot]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[vagrant holly]

650w is enough, but having some headroom is always better, and lucaz talked about the bill, just because a power supply is 800w it doesn't mean it WILL consume 800w, it just means it can supply UP TO 800w, the amount of electricity it consumes depends solely on your components

[vast sand]

Bitcoin miners

"wHy iS mY eLEcTriCity biLL sO hIgh?"

[vast sand]

Lmao

After Nvidia

They gonna create other PC parts

and just dominate everything

[hexed citrus]

imagine thinking AMD can beat nvidia

[buoyant egret]

[vast sand]

What if they can tho

[severe falcon]

theyll have to figure out what a driver is first

[buoyant egret]

I liek this guy Pingable

What an optimistic dude

[hexed citrus]

I'll love crushing his hopes and dream then

[buoyant egret]

[vagrant holly]

ye gaming isn't everything, most of the money is in businesses and other companies buying state of the art server/workstation hardware, so while amd has made a blip in the consumer gpu market (and even then it wasn't exactly a flawless run) they have a long way to go before they can come even close to what nvidia is

[subtle hawk]

the cpu war will just inevitably turn into a circlejerk

AMD fanboys right now are like Intel ones during the FX era

it goes full circle

I just buy what I need and what I think will give me the best value for $

couldn’t care less about teams

[quartz atlas]

ampere, which was announced by nvidia just the past couple weeks was absolutely groundbreaking

amd literally have no hopes in hell

well, that being said, nvidia are using amd cpus for their products

amd's cpu division does work well with nvidia

[subtle hawk]

I’m still contemplating on whether to wait for 30XX or just bite the bullet and buy a 2070/80 super

[quartz atlas]

30xx

if ampere for b2b is anyth to go by

[subtle hawk]

still rocking that space heater Vega 64

[quartz atlas]

the consumer side will absolutely crush anything we have today

unless amd underdelivers and nvidia has no reason to give good performance

as usual

[vagrant holly]

Nvidia was straight up simping amd when they released ryzen 9

they posted a tweet @ing amd with a pic of ryzen 3900 and a 2080 super saying "they'll go great togheter <3"

[quartz atlas]

the cpu division doesnt affect nvidia, why wont they have good relations

they have had plenty of marketing material together

[vagrant holly]

ye

[quartz atlas]

besides, at the end of the day, amd and nvda ceo are family

literally

[vagrant holly]

ye they are blood related

amd feels more like token competition than actual competition

[quartz atlas]

well, without amd, i doubt we'd have had super cards at the same prices

they can certainly make sure that nvda isnt doing what intel did the past few gens

[buoyant egret]

I miss when PS3s had Nvidia

[quartz atlas]

but they are certainly nowhere close to being actual competition

[buoyant egret]

Now Sony uses AMD

I love my PS3 ❤️

[vagrant holly]

ps3 had nvidia

ps3 also had that funky cell cpu architecture that turned off many devs

[buoyant egret]

PS3 destroys Xbox 360 in every way possible technologically

PS3 had a built in blu ray, you had to buy an HD DVD adapter for Xbox 360

[vagrant holly]

ye but didn't have many opportunoties of showing it because so many developers couldn't or were unwilling to figure out the architecture

[buoyant egret]

PS2 is my favorite console

[vagrant holly]

naughty dog were pretty much the only ones who really understood it

[buoyant egret]

I grew with Gran Turismo and Forza

As for exclusives, they were pretty damn equal

[severe falcon]

who doesnt have the ps2 as their favorite console

best console ever made

[quartz atlas]

nds is better

[buoyant egret]

He

My first console was a Gameboy Advanced

[severe falcon]

handheld =/= console

[vast sand]

Nvidia > Radeon tho

I would like to see AMD's attempt on making a high end card tho

[buoyant egret]

Yeah

[vast sand]

As much as I'm an AMD fanboy

The drivers are buggy

and Nvidia still makes better cards

also

My screen protector cracked

and its those UV light glue thingy

and its

annoying

[buoyant egret]

Lol

Get a new screen protector

[vast sand]

yeah

Its expensive af tho

But

I rather spend more for a good one

I wasted like 70+ dollars because the screen protectors I bought were shit

Bought like 5?

[subtle hawk]

also switch has nvidia

which has good graphics capability considering the size of the console

[vast sand]

Isn't AMD partnering with Samsung to make moblie GPUs

or smth

[quartz atlas]

samsung owns fabs

its not a partnership

its just normal business

nvda leapfrogged amd and bought up a shitton of 7nm and 5nm availability at samsung

they trying to limit amd's supply

[vast sand]

F

[desert olive]

AMD is buggy

I agree

I always get graphic artifacts out of nowhere.

And Relive always failing.

Switched to NViDiA, Shadowplay performs way better and never had any issues with the graphics.

[vast sand]

this is why I have a 2080 Super

[gloomy tinsel]

this thing have 7.5/gb bandwith wth, I feels like 1gb/s bandwith

[shy forum]

http://www.windows93.net

[vagrant holly]

holy shit is that actually windows93 on browser?

that's sick

[buoyant egret]

Wow

That’s amazing

[teal shale]

That was epic

[vagrant holly]

windows 93 doesn't actually exist, that's more of a simulation, still a cute idea tho

[tame topaz]

Surprise GT

[restive rover]

http://www.windows93.net/
Try diving any number to zero on the calculator

[restive rover]

It's rare that you see this "kind" of RAM capacity on a PC

Where mine is
Main RAM Stick: (2 x 8GB)
and some addon RAM stick (1 x 4GB)

[subtle hawk]

nah, that's normal

[restive rover]

Well, most systems were have like 8 or 16GB

and it goes 32GB for the higher-end type of user

[severe falcon]

or 128 if you are aria

[hexed citrus]

256 if ur me

https://yamato.azur-lane.moe/media/asrio.png

awww yiiis

[flint bobcat]

yama is that for your servers or main pc

[hexed citrus]

I wonder

https://yamato.azur-lane.moe/media/ilci4.png

wonderful

[severe falcon]

madman

[hexed citrus]

alright I got hooked

gonna get into FPV drones

[severe falcon]

i like planes better than drones

[hexed citrus]

I'm getting both a FPV drone

and a FPV flying wing

[severe falcon]

is it a horten ho 229?

[hexed citrus]

kinda

the concept is the same

only instead of a jet engine

you have a brushless motor with a propeller in the back

[weak lintel]

Any tips for converting hdd ext to internal?

I have unused 2TB Ext HDD

Wanna use it for my PC. Like, it needs some case or any adapters?

[hexed citrus]

most likely you won't be able to change it to internal

unless it has a proper SATA interface

[restive rover]

Windows 10 Version 2004 is out on public?

[hexed citrus]

since yesterday

[restive rover]

pog moment

but then... still in lockdown, can't go to a computer cafe to download the iso, stuck with 800MB/day internet, I'm out of options

to download the ISO

Unlike on Linux that provides torrent download for their ISO

[hexed citrus]

the fuck does that change

[hexed citrus]

https://keivan.io/the-day-appget-died/

[buoyant egret]

😐

[hexed citrus]

that's why you never open source everything

[buoyant egret]

Bad idea

For example, Windows should be closed source

[hexed citrus]

nobody was talking about windows

what are you on about

[buoyant egret]

Oh

Thought you talked about ALL software

[austere jewel]

Guys what are your thoughts on Samsung Galaxy A71 ? Could it run AL smoothly with the future update ?

[vast sand]

Yo

1+ 7 Pro great value

Atm

[gloomy tinsel]

So If the processor in U series is for low electricity usage right?

[vast sand]

You can picked used ones for like 300-400USD

U?

Which brand

[gloomy tinsel]

But H series Is for High performance?

Ryzen

[vast sand]

There is a H?

oh

[gloomy tinsel]

3550H for a laptop

[vast sand]

the 4th gen

[gloomy tinsel]

I mean im only using it for Editing

So I got 2 option, getting the 3550H with rx560
or 4700U with vega 8

[vast sand]

U is for Low power usage

so basically for Ultra thins

Like the LG Gram

or XPS 13

H is for balanced

[gloomy tinsel]

performance is a lot decreased right?

on U series?

[vast sand]

Not really

Its designed to compete with the 10th gen intel chips

the one with a G in it

it still packs a lot of power

I rather go with H

series

for editing

[gloomy tinsel]

Iam still confused to buy medium spec laptops

My brain always going Acer nitro 5

[vast sand]

oof

with a Mx250?

[gloomy tinsel]

with rx560 4gb

[vast sand]

560 pretty strong

[gloomy tinsel]

ryzen 5 3550H

[vast sand]

thats pretty strong

[gloomy tinsel]

Pretty strong for medium specs?

[vast sand]

yeah

[gloomy tinsel]

and thats pretty cheap

like 450$ in USD

or 490

[vast sand]

That cpu is pretty good for Multi-threaded tasks

Not so sure about the Rx560 tho

on a laptop

Might be severely underclocked

to maintain temps

[gloomy tinsel]

It got nitro sense. and If I plugged the charger

it said it can max boost the cpu longer

bcuz the fan goes maximum

[vast sand]

yeah

[gloomy tinsel]

It can be set on nitro sense settings too

[vast sand]

on battery the cpu is only allowed to draw the limit TDP set to it

[gloomy tinsel]

I googled it for like 3 month RN

[vast sand]

But if you plug it in it can draw more than its limited TDP

[gloomy tinsel]

so Acer Nitro 5 is the real budget gaming laptop?

Even Im not using it for gaming

[vast sand]

I need to see the specs

can u send it?

Because my friend's Nitro 5 is pretty eh

[gloomy tinsel]

wait a min

internet sucks in my grandma house

https://www.acer.com/datasheets/2019/4876/AN515-43/NH.Q5XSN.007.html

@vast sand there

Also these text. its in my country language so I decided to Copy in english

Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 3550H

GPU, Integrated / IGP: Radeon Vega 8 IGP Graphics

GPU, Discrete / dGPU: Radeon RX 560X 4GB

RAM: 1x8GB DDR4-2400 (Upgradeable, 2-Slot DIMM Max. 32GB)

Storage: 1TB HDD (Upgradeable, 2-slot M.2)

Adapter: 135W

Display: 15.6 ″ FULL HD (1920 × 1080), IPS, 60 Hz

OS: Windows 10 Home

Warranty: 2 years

[Cooling & Upgradeability] -

The striking advantages of the Acer Nitro 5 2019 are in the cooling aspect , and also upgradeability .

Looking at the cooling system capabilities provided to it, it seems natural that the Ryzen 5 3550H processor is given a slightly higher TDP configuration ( 42W 'Long' Boost, 50W 'Short' Boost ), allowing this processor to boost for longer , while maintaining a high clockspeed .

Acer provides a fairly abundant upgrade slot , there are 2x SODIMM slots (1 already loaded 1 DDR4 chip), and there are 2x M.2 ( 1x M.2 SATA, 1x M.2 PCIe / NVMe )

It is strongly recommended to upgrade RAM , at least by adding one 4GB RAM chip, making the system run in 8 + 4GB Dual-channel mode .

If you are buying a unit with HDD as the main storage,  adding SSDs is also recommended to make the system more responsive ( there is an M.2 nvme Gen 3 x4 slot for high-performance storage options)

[vast sand]

yikes tho

no SSD?

[gloomy tinsel]

there is an SSD version but its not 1tb like the HDD.
its only 512gb

[vast sand]

oh

[gloomy tinsel]

• it adds you 40$

[vast sand]

U might want to get an upgrade

SSDs are worth it

They reduce boot times by like 90%

My laptop boots in like 3 seconds

[gloomy tinsel]

Im going for HDD version, then buying a big SSD

[vast sand]

ah

wait

[gloomy tinsel]

thats good enough?

[vast sand]

i reccomend getting the ssd

since win 10 will be pre-installed

so win10 will be pre-installed on the SSD

[gloomy tinsel]

ssd version then Getting big HDD?

[vast sand]

yeah

u dont really need a large ssd

[gloomy tinsel]

Oh

[vast sand]

mine is 512GB as well

still has 200GB

[gloomy tinsel]

Also Im not a type of hardcore gamers too

And about upgrading ram

[vast sand]

get 8gb then upgrade to 16

[gloomy tinsel]

Should I go get 16gb of 8gbx2 with the same hz?

[vast sand]

try to get 2666

or higher

[gloomy tinsel]

the laptop got 1 8gb 2666

from stock

[vast sand]

ye just stick another 8gb

[gloomy tinsel]

But if it different manufacturer. it should be a problem or no?

[vast sand]

depends

it might work

it might not

probably not

since laptop motherboards have less flexibility

yikes tho the adapter

[gloomy tinsel]

but its fair enough for budget laptop

or you got a recomendation?
but up to 700$ in price

[vast sand]

yeah but its a 560

hm

it should be fine

tbh

120hz?

[gloomy tinsel]

its fine

[vast sand]

o

oka

yeah other than that i would say its pretty good

[gloomy tinsel]

it can go 700$ n up, bot not going more than 800

[vast sand]

i got my laptop for about 1k USD

[gloomy tinsel]

if it a bit more than 800 maybe i would take it

[vast sand]

has a i7-9750H

GTX 1650

[gloomy tinsel]

Oh wait Acer Nitro 5 have that series too maybe

[vast sand]

Yeah i would say the laptop you're buying is pretty good

[gloomy tinsel]

Im gonna check

[vast sand]

for itss price

[gloomy tinsel]

Yes there is one with the same specs as yours
Idk about the motherboard but its the same I7 and 1650

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://store.acer.com/en-id/nitro-5-an515-54-77yu&ved=2ahUKEwi-7-rwoNvpAhVSeX0KHW69DPEQFjABegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw38AOWcYGlfEV4xJhEzdVqN

@vast sand You can check it?
the Acer nitro 5 with production code AN515-54-729J

My internet sucks

maybe its my Chrome. I will always stuck mid loading

eh

Acer Nitro 5 AN515-54-773E

Wrong product code sry

[vast sand]

https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model/NH.Q7MAA.006

tthis one

is good

[gloomy tinsel]

Acer Nitro 5 really got tons of Variants

Geez

[weak lintel]

Before convert from hdd ext to internal

Now.

Cuz this ext HDD isn't even used mainly, so I'll put it into my pc

[vast sand]

this one

is good

4600H

strong for editing

[gloomy tinsel]

Wait I never seen that

4600 is better than I7 7950?

[vast sand]

Yeah

[gloomy tinsel]

this is the I7 series spec tho

maybe sorry for the spam

Laptop Gaming Acer Predator Nitro 5 AN515-54-729J i7 9750H 8GB SSD 512GB GTX1650 4GB Spesifikasi : - Processor : Intel® Core™ i7-9750H Processor - Memory : 8GB DDR4 - Hard Drive : 512GB SSD - Graphics : NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1650 4GB GDDR5 - Display : 15.6" FHD LED IPS 144hz - Optical Drive : N/A - Operating System : Windows 10 Home - Camera : HD webcam with 1280 x 720 resolution and 720p HD audio/video recording. - Audio : Two built-in stereo speakers - Slots/Interface : 1x USB 2.0 Ports 2x USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type-A Ports 1x USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type-C Ports 4x USB Ports 1X HDMI 1X RJ45 - Battery & Power adapter : - 3-pin 135 W AC adapter - 48 Wh 3220 mAh 15.2 V 4-cell Li-ion battery Battery life up to 6 hours - Warranty : 2 Year Warranty

Its fked up

[vast sand]

whats the price like tho

4th gen ryzen mobile cpus are really strong

[gloomy tinsel]

Now Im confused

[vast sand]

whats the price

for the i7-9750H + 1650

[gloomy tinsel]

the Acer said its 14.5Million in IDR

[weak lintel]

Oh IDR

[vast sand]

ooo

is there one with a Ryzen 4600H?

[gloomy tinsel]

Im checking

[weak lintel]

Kinda new to Indonesian market tho

[gloomy tinsel]

Im used to buy laptop in SG

[weak lintel]

That ping's recommendation

[vast sand]

sg laptops are expensive

[gloomy tinsel]

bcuz You bring device more than 3 from another country for brand new here

[weak lintel]

@gloomy tinsel

sorry for indonesian lang
https://www.tokopedia.com/acerid/acer-predator-nitro-5-an515-43-ryzen-5-3550h-rx-560x-1tb-8gb

[gloomy tinsel]

its going to be 10% tax

from the device price

[weak lintel]

9.2m IDR

[gloomy tinsel]

I dont see any for 4700 ryzen

Maybe this cataloge is old

[weak lintel]

yes its new, and still no distributor to bring that to indo

maybe

[gloomy tinsel]

its 14.2 million for I7 7950H GTX1650
SSD 512gb

or about 800 in USD

[weak lintel]

no extra HDD 1TB atleast?

[vast sand]

Yikes

[gloomy tinsel]

No

[vast sand]

the prices tho

[weak lintel]

F

[vast sand]

for the older genss

[weak lintel]

thats actually included taxes tho

maybe around 12m IDR if no taxes

[gloomy tinsel]

thats why I say 800 in USD, bcuz without tax

[weak lintel]

but still uhh

[vast sand]

can u buy it from other websites?

like amazon

because its pretty yikes

tbh

[gloomy tinsel]

Yea. I can

You got link?

[vast sand]

1.2k USD for a GTX 1050

[gloomy tinsel]

1 dolar USD here is 14.400 rupiah

approx

or known as IDR

[vast sand]

Nvm amazon is even worse

1.4k for a 1050

[gloomy tinsel]

GEEZ

wut

[vast sand]

Try going to acer.com

[gloomy tinsel]

thats the old model
2017

I5 and 1050 ti right?

[vast sand]

yeah

[gloomy tinsel]

Yep thats the old 2017

[vast sand]

the i5-9300H still performs well

for gaming

but for workstation

not so much

why not get a Desktop?

[weak lintel]

^

[gloomy tinsel]

I need one that I can bring anywhere

[vast sand]

ah

is there a used market

[gloomy tinsel]

I got a desktop
with ryzen 5 3600 and rtx 2060 super

[vast sand]

in your country?

because we have a used market in our country

you can find sweet deals

if you're lucky

[gloomy tinsel]

The Used market is totally busted up
The only thing is if I can deal with the owner by meetinf him
or we called it COD(Call on Delivery)

[vast sand]

the other time I saw a MSI laptop that had a GTX 1070 going for like 700USD

it only had a bad battery

and the rest was pretty good

[gloomy tinsel]

My laptop is an OLD TOSHIBA M600 lel

[vast sand]

oof

[gloomy tinsel]

[subtle hawk]

tbh the current situation sucks

[gloomy tinsel]

thats 2007 or 2008 at least

thats why I need one

new laptop

[vast sand]

bruh wtd

i feel scammed

there is a

Acer Nitro 5

[gloomy tinsel]

Btw thankyou for the advice

[vast sand]

with a i5-10300H and RTX 2060

going for 1.1k USD

If I paid 100 more dollars I could get a 2060

[gloomy tinsel]

that one cost 20 million in IDR

[vast sand]

oof

[gloomy tinsel]

I see lastime in the catalouge

or 1300USD

You're going to be a billionaire of you come to this country

[vast sand]

not really

xd

i had to buy a laptop for my school

if not I could have finished building my PC

[gloomy tinsel]

Im going to be a DKV
or Design, Communication and Visual if in english

[vast sand]

ah

you could probably

[gloomy tinsel]

Ima pick the Ryzen Series from you

the 4700U

[vast sand]

no 4600H?

[gloomy tinsel]

eh it was 4700 or 4600

[vast sand]

wait ima rank the

CPUS

[gloomy tinsel]

I always think the H series got Higher performance

even it is not battery friendly than U series

[vast sand]

4600H > i7-9750H > i5-10300H > 4700U > i5-9300H > 3750H > 3550H

[gloomy tinsel]

Ok im picking 4600H

also its still goes around my budget

[vast sand]

yeah

[gloomy tinsel]

Do You have link on Amazon?

[vast sand]

nope xd

[gloomy tinsel]

Like the one that have rate 4* n Up?

[vast sand]

I dont use amazon

[gloomy tinsel]

Oh Ok

What You use?

[vast sand]

I just buy it from the local store

[gloomy tinsel]

Oh

[vast sand]

They have good deals

Sometimes

My laptop had a MSRP of i think 1699 SGD

but I bought it for 1518

[gloomy tinsel]

Like you giving price tag, until we deal each others right?

[vast sand]

nono

its from the local store

[gloomy tinsel]

Oh

[vast sand]

yeah

I didnt check the used market

Or well

i did check

but couldnt find anything good

[gloomy tinsel]

it still not coming in my country
But my selection there is an Asus TUF

[vast sand]

you could try getting the i7-9750H if you can stretch your budget

because i dont see the 4600H on sale in my country as well

[gloomy tinsel]

ASUS TUF FX506II-R55TB6T - AMD Ryzen 5-4600H GTX 1650Ti V4GB 8GB 512SSD 144HZ RGB

[vast sand]

oooo

[gloomy tinsel]

this one

[vast sand]

thats good

how much?

I bet its gonna be like 1.8kUSD

[gloomy tinsel]

14 million in IDR

[vast sand]

wtf

thats

[gloomy tinsel]

or yea around 800 too

[vast sand]

cheap

[gloomy tinsel]

in USD

[vast sand]

thats

really

cheap

wtf

wtf

[gloomy tinsel]

Im not joking

[vast sand]

thats very good

wtffffff

thats very good

like actually

really fucking good

[gloomy tinsel]

Ima go this one

[vast sand]

yeah

then u can upgrade the ram

[gloomy tinsel]

Ok

[vast sand]

to 16GB

[gloomy tinsel]

thankyou for the help too mate

[vast sand]

np

bruhh wtf thats so good tho

i feel scammed now

[subtle hawk]

don't worry, me too

[vast sand]

i should have just bought my PC

[gloomy tinsel]

I buy the Toshiba M600 in 2008 it was 9 million that time tho

now

[subtle hawk]

I bought my laptop like a year before ryzen existed

[vast sand]

my 2080 Super is still on my shelf

I bought mine like in February

lol

2020

[vagrant holly]

imagine it is broken but you don't know

[gloomy tinsel]

its official store

[tame topaz]

4 years ago my cousin bought a "workstation" for 850 bucks.

Sandy Bridge Xeon E3 and a 950.

wish I could've warned her in time. Especially since she bought that mere weeks before the 1050 came out

[stuck hull]

I just bought a third-hand WMR VR headset for 130 dollars, anyone is using WMR VR headset like me?

[gloomy tinsel]

dude, The Item is not ready. But this seller is honest tho
I want to buy another 8gb ram stick 3200hz, He said not ready yet.
To buy this item you need to pre order He said

@vast sand

Should I go for 2 weeks wait?

But He said if you dont want to wait you can order this one, the spec is 10/12 of that one

with 3550H and 1650. 144hz display too

price is 2 million IDR lower than that one

[vast sand]

4600H and 1660Ti is way better

I would honestly spend i upgrade

and wait

[gloomy tinsel]

difference is 3550H 1650
and the A15 is 4600H 1650TI
well the A15 got like 30% more powerful
Yea ima wait

And school is delayed till spetember for me

[gloomy tinsel]

I just looked at the Asus
so
for R5 4600H /1650Ti for 13.9Million
R7 4800H/1650Ti for 14.8 Million
R7 4800H/1660Ti for 17.9Million
R7 4800H/Rtx 2060 for 19.4Million
Anything else in the specs are the same

for Asus TUF A15 506 series

13.9 million= 965$
14.8Million=1030$
17.9Million=1250$
19.4Million=1350$
This are rated from IDR TO USD

hmm Asus finaly bring cheap laptop for its specs
so Bye bye Acer

[vagrant holly]

millions for a laptop

what kind of hyper inflated currency is that?

[subtle hawk]

Indonesian rupiah

currently 2nd in the world next to Vietnamese dong

[weak lintel]

I guess I need to repaste again

idle goes up to 60

[wary depot]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[subtle hawk]

I think 9900k consume more power

[gloomy tinsel]

So I have a problem with my sd card
it just detect about 16mb of the storage

even it is 32gb Sandisk SD card

so If I format it using the FAT32 or even other system in it

will it affect the speed?
bcuz I remember this thing should be having around 60mb/s transfer rate

and I need compactibility too
since I use this SD card on android phone

Which to pick
NTFS
Exfat
Fat32

[gloomy tinsel]

I just tried using fat32
and Copy a movie from my phone it worked. When empty it said 29.7gb

[severe falcon]

Probably because 32"GB" means 32*10^12 bytes instead of 32*2^30

Oh great

Escape characters dont work on phone doscord

Basically they advertise 32 but its not 32 when the comp raeds it

Tho it should be 29.1

[weak lintel]

SD card format is fat32

NTFS is for HDD

And we'll, not totally perfect 32GB 64GB or more

Example, my 64GB SD have total 60GB available

[remote remnant]

in terms of storage, 1gb should be 1000mb
but computers dont use that. 1gb is 1024mb for them

so a 32gb sd have a total usable of 29.8gb

[remote remnant]

ntfs isnt just for hdd

its for windows

windows boot drive must be ntfs

[severe falcon]

My work comp is broken

Its screensaver cannot be disabled

Even with admin

[buoyant egret]

F to Hipper

[severe falcon]

@hexed citrus what are your thoughts on an evga 2070 super with hybrid cooler for $589

I want power but i want it cheap

[subtle hawk]

I would personally stick to strictly air cooling for a GPU

having an additional radiator (in the event you have an AIO already) just seems like a pain in the ass

[severe falcon]

cpu radiator on the top, gpu radiator where the back fan is

[hexed citrus]

not worth

if u want peak cooling then might as well get a custom water loop kit and use that

[gloomy tinsel]

someone tested the A15 tuf 506
its broken

or Cinebench got error

[hexed citrus]

cinebench is smoking smth

[gloomy tinsel]

the power broke the Super pc

and it just laptop

[severe falcon]

@hexed citrus so its not better than just fans?

Theres a $40 difference in price

[hexed citrus]

not worth the difference

[severe falcon]

Oof

[maiden umbra]

if you don't do periodic maintainence to loop, stick to air

[severe falcon]

What maintenance do you need to do to an aio

[vagrant holly]

it's not much the maintenance with aios as much as the amount of damage it could cause if it doesn't work as intended

at best it could just gunk up and you would notice it overheating and trash the cooler/rma it

at worse it leaks on your other components and breaks those too

if a fan breaks on a gpu it just, stops spinning, you can find the model and order a replacement from AliExpress and diy it

[severe falcon]

Ah ok

[subtle hawk]

air cooling is still the best

[gloomy tinsel]

Its still good. but watercooling give better experience

[severe falcon]

Imma still use water for the cpu tho

[wooden quest]

any1 running azur lane on linux

[wooden quest]

specifically arch and on anbox

[lunar patrol]

@wooden quest on linux and i run with genymotion. anbox is alpha software at best and i could never get it working

it's the best software i've found so far for AL and i get steady 60fps with R5 3600 and GTX 1060 machine

feel free to PM me if you want more deets

[lavish trench]

I tried running nox player on my macbook pro once awhile back... bad choice. even with this i9 and 8 core processor, it wasn't working properly. Had a lot of lag and then eventually just kept crashing when the game loaded up 😅

[hexed citrus]

you need visualization for it

[vagrant holly]

virtualization

you have to enable it in the bios

[lavish trench]

well it was running using the package that it downloaded with, oracle something

and i know i had changed something in the settings and that's how i got it to work initially the first time but after that it just kept crashing. I was thinking of allowing more cores to run on it but i wasn't so sure. the default it selected was 4

[vagrant holly]

oracle is a company, they make a piece of software called java

it probably updated java because nox needs it to simulate the virtual machine

but you need to enable virtualization via the bios

there is no other way of enabling virtualization, you have to do it via the bios

it basically allows your virtual machine (in this case nox) to fully utilize your cpu, without it, performance is heavily gimped

no amount of fiddling with the settings in nox will help you if you don't activate virtualization first

[hexed citrus]

also

running arch generally has the prerequisite that you'll be able to fix stuff yourself

[lunar patrol]

nox can run without virtualization on? never used it so TIL

[hexed citrus]

@vagrant holly well it uses virtualbox as the VM manager with KVM as the default hypervizor

it can

any VM can

but it will run like absolute garbage

[lunar patrol]

i've honestly never tried running a VM without virtualization turned on so i guess TIL in general

[vagrant holly]

it can run but performance is garbo

[gloomy tinsel]

Ok I buy it. but 20days of pre order.

[remote remnant]

damn

thats one is thicc

[vagrant holly]

it TUF

[novel socket]

Guys just a question, if you pair up a Intel I5 6th Gen and a GTX 1080, is that considered bottlenecking?

[vagrant holly]

base 1080, shouldn't

actually you're fine with 1080ti too

nah it's not gonna bottleneck

[civic stump]

isn't 6th gen a bit too old?

[novel socket]

Hmmm thats all the budget i guess

No stable income atm

[weak lintel]

idle cpu temp 60°c at 10% usage
Insert wat face moment
Time to re-paste cpu yeah
Blow the whole inner PC with blower even already blowed a week ago
Clean from dust.
Take the Heatsink
Wtf totally dried af paste
Re-paste
Ok done
Turn it up and checking CPU temp
idle 10% @ 40°C. Max temp at 71°C (GTA Online with all high graphic settings)

Well Im still using stock heatsink fan

Still one year usages but already dried, oh well

[subtle hawk]

@novel socket not even close

i'd be more worried about the bottleneck from the 2133mhz ram

[gloomy tinsel]

That's not going to bottleneck

[novel socket]

Ight

Im gonna upgrade the RAM no worries

[weak lintel]

Im still using 2400mhz ddr4

[vast torrent]

I use ryzen 7 1700 and gtx 1070 OC and 16 GB ram the bittleneck is the 1070 but it runs in most games with over 60 FPS 😅

[gloomy tinsel]

thats like a build from 2 years ago

but still good

[vast torrent]

@gloomy tinsel it is 4 years old

Buyed in end of 2017

[gloomy tinsel]

Look what I find in the PC community

wtf kind of pc case lel

[mental coyote]

Steampunk. And damn, that's nice.

[buoyant egret]

Looks more like an altar

Looks like it belongs to a Buddhist temple

[mental coyote]

I'd bet that was a coupla Gs tossed down.

[severe falcon]

i bet its custom and really didnt cost them much

[mental coyote]

This from the man what used to have a scratch-built laptop.

(Either way, that does look badass)

[severe falcon]

like i bet the dude made it himself

[mental coyote]

It's certainly not impossible.

[desert olive]

peaked text editor

stupid nodejs can't do GC manually

[subtle hawk]

automatic GC is the future

meanwhile C/C++ is like what is GC

and then dies of memory leaks from a bad code

[hexed citrus]

suuuure

keep telling yourself that

[subtle hawk]

...and I just jinxed my project

[buoyant egret]

RIP

DANN YOU ALO, TAKING MUCH OF MY SCREEN TIME

[gloomy tinsel]

STONKS

[lavish trench]

Ight, I'll try downloading Nox again tomorrow. Don't know how to turn on the virtualization setting you guys are talking about. Hopefully you guys can help with that 😅

[vagrant holly]

so i installed valorant

when they say their anti-cheat is "always on"

they mean it's ALWAYS on

you boot up your pc, on the task tray their anti-cheat is on from start up

and if you turn it off

if you ever want to play valorant maybe later in the day

you have to reboot your pc

to restart their anti-cheat

[gloomy tinsel]

So I got this problem in my Old laptop
It said Please instal/Update GL driver

what is that?

it's happen when I want to start some game

[remote remnant]

maybe your opengl dirver is too old to play that

or maybe you dont have it

[hexed citrus]

@vagrant holly tell us smth new

[gloomy tinsel]

Its on my old laptop. idk what type. but its samsung, Buyed around 2014 or so. with AMD A8

@remote remnant How do I update it?

[remote remnant]

hold up

i remembered i did it once but forgot how to do it

control panel > hardware and sound > device manager

[vagrant holly]

i knew it was bad but not THIS bad

[remote remnant]

then find display adapter

should be like this

the red box up there is where you update

itll update everything possible

[hexed citrus]

It's much worse @vagrant holly

the so called "anti-cheat" also "checks" other drivers and firmware "for vulnerabilities"

and if it finds smth weird it will block it

like as in fully block hardware

and it also causes frame drops, stuttering and BSOD in other games

[vagrant holly]

that's nuts

[hexed citrus]

not to mention the requirement to run at boot

[vagrant holly]

ye and if you turn it off

[hexed citrus]

the driver is still loaded in even if you turn it off

[vagrant holly]

like exit from it at the tray, you can't play valorant until you reboot the PC

the big deal seems to be its fog of war system but i doubt it needs to dig this deep to implement a fog of war

cs go does fog of war too by its nowhere near this invasive

[hexed citrus]

exactly

you can deal with cheaters without basically hijacking the user computer

[vagrant holly]

and even then apparentlt it goes down to ring 3

and attacks can still happen from deeper apparently

considering its a game by riot, it's bound to have alot of cheaters, eventually if they aren't there already

but can't be worse than cs go or ow

[hexed citrus]

there's a ton already

[vagrant holly]

well there you go, anti cheat is just as good as most anti cheat then, except it digs deeper

it's like handing them a loaded gun, allow them to hold it to your head and trust them to not pull the trigger

[hexed citrus]

and then you have idiots that actually defend it

[vagrant holly]

hell no

they probably were impressed by fog of war without knowing its actually nothing new

[mental coyote]

Hell.
Weren't there also reports of Valorant's anti-cheat nuking people's gpus?

[hexed citrus]

dunno

but most likely

as it messes with GPU drivers and firmware too

[mental coyote]

As if I didn't already dislike anti-cheat programs. Nothing but pure EW!, on this one.

[vagrant holly]

@hidden night "noctua nh d15" or "be quiet! dark rock 4"

[hidden night]

Ohhh Dark rock pro was my first choice lol

but issue is fitting le casing

[vagrant holly]

it's too big for the case?

[hidden night]

I mean it Looks Huge

not to mention noctua 15

[vagrant holly]

noctua is even bigger than the dark rock

if you can't fit dark rock don't even think about noctua

but you should be able to fit dark rock

[hidden night]

Well plan was mid case so i kinda worry abit

[vagrant holly]

i mean the non-pro datk rock

[hidden night]

Hmm

@vagrant holly Hang on isnt bit worry if i fitted with ryzen 7?

not planning to overclocked btw

And no Rgb, well kinda

[vagrant holly]

you're fine dark rock am4 compatible

also if you point out "no rgb" as if it's a negative again i WILL hurt you

[hidden night]

Why everyone wanted rgb in IT

[vagrant holly]

because they are dumb

[hidden night]

I mean why want rgb when its IN OUR LOL

[vagrant holly]

but anyway, rgb can be useful sometimes, like if you want to take a quick glance at your pc to cueck if something is wrong and you have a glass side panel, illumination can make it easier to see inside

but it's really just vanity otherwise

[hidden night]

So thats the point for RGB LOL

[vagrant holly]

anyway, for the cooler, you can pick whatever you want, some brands to look out for are: arctic, cooler master and corsair or you could get noctua's nh u12, which is a bit more expensive bit it's pretty small snd should fit on any case

[hidden night]

Awright

[severe falcon]

you can set nzxt cpu pumps to track cpu and gpu temp with the rgb colors

[desert olive]

VALORANT looks cool

but their anti cheat is VERY intrusive

I don't like how it has to be always on

not only is it wasting resources, who knows what's it doing in the background?

[severe falcon]

ill tell you what the anti cheat isnt doing: stopping cheaters

[buoyant egret]

Based Hipper

[flint bobcat]

https://www.newegg.com/viewsonic-vx2758-2kp-mhd-27-wqhd/p/N82E16824116900?Item=N82E16824116900

what do you guys think?