technology

[subtle hawk]

doe it will go up to 1.45 under AVX load

[stone granite]

what cpu you got bro

[subtle hawk]

8700K

[stone granite]

ok just for any kids watching out there, do not put 1.45v into your cpu willy nilly

just feel the need to point that out

[bleak owl]

Welp at least now I know how to do overclock

Stonks

[subtle hawk]

mine is one of those lucky CPUs

it can do 5.5

[bleak owl]

Yep

Op

But for what they cost

[stone granite]

mine is as well I can do 4.4ghz and it's a 2600x

[gloomy tinsel]

The heat from that must be pretty significant tho

[bleak owl]

Better ryzen

[stone granite]

pretty sure that's like top 0.01% of 2600x

[gloomy tinsel]

I have a fail 1600

[subtle hawk]

lemme see for mine

[gloomy tinsel]

I can't pass 3.7 without blowing the voltage through the roof, so I definitely got a below-average chip

[stone granite]

how much voltage do you consider through the roof?

[bleak owl]

The first ryzen has low potential oc

[stone granite]

it's possible that you have a fail chiplet and disabling a couple cores could fix it

[gloomy tinsel]

I mean, I can't even do 3.75 1.35v

[bleak owl]

That's why Noone buy it at launch

[stone granite]

oh lmao

bro

1st gen ryzens can take shittons of voltage

[bleak owl]

3.75

[stone granite]

you're undervolting that thing

[bleak owl]

U destroying ur cpu

[gloomy tinsel]

3.75 GHz, not 3.75v

:P

[bleak owl]

[gloomy tinsel]

It gets too warm for my liking anyway

[bleak owl]

Well gonna play rainbow

[gloomy tinsel]

so I'm happy to stick with my 3.7

[subtle hawk]

yeah mine is top 1% or even less

[stone granite]

you can do 1.45v easy if your cooling can handle it

[bleak owl]

Thanks flypaste for the lesson

[stone granite]

👍

[gloomy tinsel]

Well, my cooling can't handle it so I will stay here for now

[stone granite]

lmao rip

all these ppl on shit coolers

smh

[subtle hawk]

I think my board can do up to 2 volts Vcore

[bleak owl]

Iirc stock cooler?

[subtle hawk]

then I have to turn on LN2 mode to get higher

[gloomy tinsel]

I'm planning to upgrade to Zen 2 or 3 if I want more perf, so I'm not worried

[bleak owl]

The 1600 is still fine tbh

[gloomy tinsel]

Yeah it is

I bought it planning to keep it for 5 years at least

It's not the fastest anymore, but it's still good enough for me

[bleak owl]

Well the 1600 isn't supposed to be the fastest

[gloomy tinsel]

Tru

[stone granite]

none of the ryzens are supposed to be the fastest

yet

I hope they will do a fast one in the future

[gloomy tinsel]

3950X would like to have a word

[stone granite]

isn't that a threadripper

[gloomy tinsel]

No, that one is AM4

The 16-core AM4 one

[stone granite]

what's the clock speed on it

[gloomy tinsel]

3.5 base, 4.7 max boost

Zen 2

[stone granite]

there's a zen 2 threadripper with 5.2 max boost

[gloomy tinsel]

3970X right

[stone granite]

which means that those are chiplets that could have been put into a ryzen, creating a ryzen with 5.2 ghz max boost

[gloomy tinsel]

No, nvm

[stone granite]

but instead they went into a threadripper for some reason

[gloomy tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stone granite]

ryzen isn't even intended by amd to be the fastest

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[subtle hawk]

I wonder if I can push 5.6 stable

[stone granite]

depends how you define stable

cinebench stable? prime95 stable?

[subtle hawk]

both

[stone granite]

I doubt you can do 5.6 p95 without a chiller

[subtle hawk]

doe for prime95 the AVX offset will

[bleak owl]

Threadripper is the faster for sure

[subtle hawk]

doubt

it has more cores

not faster

[stone granite]

no it is literally faster

amd bins their chiplets

and they put the fastest chiplets into the threadrippers

higher base clock and higher boost clock than ryzens

[subtle hawk]

well than ryzens

but not faster than intel

[stone granite]

o yeah

[bleak owl]

amd has surpassed intel

[subtle hawk]

in core count and overall perf ye

[flint bobcat]

@subtle hawk what about on laptops

which cpu brand is better

[stone granite]

upside: amd has lots of cores
downside: my games don't need lots of cores

[subtle hawk]

exactly

just get the most efficient CPU u can get

since ur running off battery

[bleak owl]

on laptop intel is better bcs most of the laptop has intel cpu

u dont get a threadripper for gaming

[stone granite]

the new ryzens are more efficient than intels stuff actually

like more power efficient

so if you can find a zen 2 laptop

it's probably a good pick

emphasis on "IF"

there aren't many yet

[bleak owl]

well i think amd will spam ryzen laptop

[gloomy tinsel]

Remember, Zen 2 laptops are Ryzen 4000 series (because APUs are a generation behind)

[bleak owl]

ryzen 2 was the 3000

Ah wait

I was wrong

The r5 3400g is the r5 2400g with higher clock speed

[gloomy tinsel]

2400G is Zen, with some small improvements
3400G is Zen+, with some small improvements

[subtle hawk]

what about 1400G

does it use Excavator

[gloomy tinsel]

There is no 1400G, but there are the AM4 Ax-9000 series APUs that use Excavator, like the A12-9800

So in that sense, the A12-9800 is your 1400G

[subtle hawk]

started using my trackball today

after like an hour of getting used to it

i must say this is pretty comfortable

had to lube it up a bit i guess with my finger oils

err, don't get me wrong i practically gave my hands their own bath prior to unpackaging the trackball in fear of contaminating the surface but turns out you're supposed to break it in and move it around

[gloomy tinsel]

I shucked an old WD NAS and scored a 3 TB Caviar Green. It still works, too

[stone granite]

apple bop u should lube me up w/ ur hands

[bleak owl]

That's kinda gay

[bleak owl]

https://youtu.be/OVY5CjEC3W4

And it's better than the stock one

[bleak owl]

@stone granite is this fine for oc? I mean I already have it so don't wanna buy another noctua cooler, i mounted 2 fans on it

[stone granite]

@bleak owl noctua's website claims it doesn't limit the turbo of the 3950x

so it should work for a 3600 manual oc

I don't really believe them in this specific instance to be honest but they're generally pretty reputable

so if you trust them go ahead and see if it works

no harm in trying I suppose... other than the time and thermal paste

[bleak owl]

Hmm ok will try

Mb later since I don't have the urge to oc my cpu

[stone granite]

👍

[subtle hawk]

me too

I rarely use all cores for more than a minute

[vagrant holly]

"it was a fun card to look at"

steve is a naughty boyeeeee

[tame topaz]

[subtle hawk]

is that huge socket on mini ITX

[gloomy tinsel]

Looks like normal sized socket with big liquid cooling plate

[bleak owl]

This is perfect for aria

[gloomy tinsel]

Btw that water block looks like a face

:o

[bleak owl]

😐

[tame topaz]

@gloomy tinsel that's why I put the in

Essentially mutsukistare in mobo form

[bleak owl]

U place the tube and its no more mutsuki stare

Which is the best gaming brand for u guys?

[stone wave]

WDYM, for what item?

[bleak owl]

Hm

Let's talk peripherals first

[stone wave]

Unless you count my monitor, my mouse is the only gaming marketed item connected to my PC.

Unless you count controllers.

[bleak owl]

Xbox controllers

?

[stone wave]

I got one recently cause it was kinda cheap.

Bluetooth on it sucks major ass.

Like 3ft range from my dongle before it craps out.

[bleak owl]

I have this got it for 35 bucks

[stone wave]

I might have to just use it wired or get the Microsoft dongle for it,

Yeah I got the Sports Blue one for around that much.

[bleak owl]

Wouldn't buy a Xbox controller for 80

For me logitech is the best for the mouse

I tried razer mouse

[stone wave]

Yeah I use the wireless G502 with the Hero sensor

[bleak owl]

But when I used them a sweat so much that I can't use properly

I have the normal g502

Great mouse but it was really heavy

[stone wave]

Way back when I used to do progression raiding in WoW, I ran 10m and more than half of my raiders had their Razer mice fail.

It was rather spectacular in terms of failure rates.

[bleak owl]

I have the Naga epic chroma

It fell

And died

[stone wave]

lol I've had the... G5, G9, G700, G700s and G502 LIGHTSPEED

they've all fallen off my desk at least a few times

[bleak owl]

G502 Lights speed

[stone wave]

I had to look up the name

[bleak owl]

U rich

[stone wave]

it's literally called "LIGHTSPEED"

[bleak owl]

The wireless one?

[stone wave]

yea

im just here thinking that's a silly name

[bleak owl]

U rich

[stone wave]

I have the stupid overpriced mousepad for it

[bleak owl]

I had the g300 g305? G502 and g900

[stone wave]

Oh I also had the cheapest lightspeed mouse

[bleak owl]

[stone wave]

all i know is it came in white

but it lacked buttons that I wanted

[bleak owl]

Well I don't use mouse button while gaming

Bcs it's uncomfortable

[stone wave]

I only ever use them in MMOs

which I don't play any more

got burnt out on WoW Classic

[bleak owl]

Well for the monitor I only have aoc monitor

So I can't compare too much

[stone wave]

Whatever works

[bleak owl]

Yea

The problem is they are all tn

So the color is meh

[stone wave]

144hz 1080p isn't too expensive now a days but getting a computer to push that is the hard part if you're on a budget

[bleak owl]

This one is fhd 144hz

Tn

For the keyboard, the gaming brand keyboard are pretty meh

Cheap plastic

[stone wave]

Yeah... they're not exactly quality for the most part.

And I'm not a fan of RGB on keyboards.

or any LEDs

[bleak owl]

I have a varmilo pro sakura

The pink one

[stone wave]

I have a VA87M with MX Blacks

but I got tired of linear switches

[bleak owl]

Well get a ducky one 2 mini

[stone wave]

hows the quality of Ducky compared to Varmilo?

I probably won't ever go for a 60% again.

I never bothered using layers and I missed the arrow buttons.

That said a Pok3r is nice, cast aluminum case and metal plate. But I'd probably take the Anne Pro 2 for bluetooth functionality if I were to buy one, and if I were to make one it'd be an Alps compatible board with AEKII keycaps.

[bleak owl]

Anne pro is 60% tho

[stone wave]

I mean if I were to buy another one.

[bleak owl]

Or not

Ah

[stone wave]

Yeah it's 60%

[bleak owl]

The anne pro is good for the price

Or I forgot to answer the question

They are pretty much the same

The ducky has more customization than the varmilo

Also ducky is America company and varmilo is Chinese

I got the varmilo while I was in China

[stone wave]

Nah I thought Ducky was Taiwanese

[bleak owl]

Yes Im Chinese living in Italy

Pretty insane huh

[stone wave]

I'm American-Chinese

lol

[bleak owl]

Or mb is taiwanese

Well a American Chinese is more common than a Italian Chinese

[stone wave]

Yeah, most seem to come from East Asia

TFW you're common rarity IRL

[bleak owl]

I really like the year edition of ducky

[vagrant holly]

dude i live in rome and it's full of chinese

[bleak owl]

The roaster is

[vagrant holly]

we have our own chinatown

[bleak owl]

yep

[stone wave]

Most places have Chinatowns...

My dad used to do work in Mexico... there's a Chinatown there.

[bleak owl]

Do u wanna know why I picked the pink one

[stone wave]

And he had the worst "Chinese" food in his life there.

[vagrant holly]

it's so sick tho, i always go there whenever i want to have a go at cooking asian food

they have everything

[bleak owl]

guess that Noone wanna know why I picked the pink one

[stone wave]

Cause it's pink?

IIRC Apple Bop also got a pink keyboard

[vagrant holly]

couze you're gay

[bleak owl]

No

I mean yes

Bcs the other one is pubg themed

And it's fullsized

I'm not gay

[vagrant holly]

[stone wave]

But you own a pubg themed kb

[bleak owl]

No

It's bad

It's ugly

I don't even play pubg

Dis one

[stone wave]

So is my Model M, but that thing weighs like 5 lbs / 2,4 kg or so. But I can beat a motherfucker to death with it.

Ok yeah

that's fugly

[vagrant holly]

boi that space bar is kind of

[bleak owl]

[vagrant holly]

😬

[bleak owl]

And I need a 60 percent keyboard

[stone wave]

get that thing some cheap tai-haos

[bleak owl]

So pick the pink

[stone wave]

Pink is ugh

Zilf ruined the color pink for me

[bleak owl]

Well at least is better than the pubg one

[vagrant holly]

pink/white keyboards look sick

no homo

[bleak owl]

[stone wave]

Yeah my VA87M is black, and it's kinda hard to find good caps unless I go gray/black dolch.

[bleak owl]

Why pink/white is homo

[vagrant holly]

no homo

[bleak owl]

[stone wave]

You know the Miami colorway? I like the reverse of it.

Something like this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32836538609.html

not really my thing, but its a good look

i tend to go after the retro look for some reason

[bleak owl]

This one looks sick

[stone wave]

I kinda got tired of full sized personally

[bleak owl]

Well the year edition from ducky is only full sized

[stone wave]

I'm rocking a 75% with a separate num pad

[bleak owl]

WASD is a good company

Full customizable keyboard

Even the switch

[stone wave]

I bought my current board from KBDFans

they sell both kits and assembled boards

[bleak owl]

I mean u can put more switch in one keyboard

They have alps i iirc

[stone wave]

They might have Matias switches which are a modern take on simplified Alps.

But if you want complicated Alps they're only available used.

[bleak owl]

Hm

[stone wave]

There might be stockpiles of NOS simplified white Alps.

[bleak owl]

Well I want holy panda

The bronze one

[stone wave]

yeah how much are those?

[bleak owl]

Too much

[stone wave]

You could make your own if you really wanted to.

[stone wave]

Buy the Halo pack from Drop

and find some YOKs

[vagrant holly]

YOU GUYS ACTUALLY SPEND THAT MUCH ON SWITCHES ALONE WTF

[stone wave]

hell no

[bleak owl]

[vagrant holly]

[bleak owl]

Actually no

Well

[vagrant holly]

[stone wave]

I bought these https://kbdfans.com/products/novelkeys-x-kailh-box-thick-clicks-navy-jade?variant=2840537759757

$4.20 per 10

[bleak owl]

2000 of pc

So for 200 of switch probably

[vagrant holly]

clean, shame for the rgb gpu

if only that could be purple too

[bleak owl]

The software is gei

Sometimes Is purple

Sometimes Is rainbow

Sometimes Is off

[stone wave]

My 1080 predates RGB syncing and my RAM predates RGB RAM

[bleak owl]

Sometimes the ram is purple

Sometimes Is off

The fuk

[stone wave]

If you get these
https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-halo-switch-pack

and source some YOK switches you can make Holy Pandas with them.

No clue where to get YOKs rn though since NovelKeys is OoS

[bleak owl]

Well the customs

Asking me why u pay 200 for some buttons

I am like

Yes

[vagrant holly]

why you gotta do this to yourself tho

[bleak owl]

Well I have 5 keyboards

[vagrant holly]

custom keyboard building sounds like one of those hobbies you pick up when you have waayyy too much money

[stone wave]

Problem is once you realize MX switches are shit...

[bleak owl]

Wut

Cherry is the best

[stone wave]

I mean the switches Cherry makes

[vagrant holly]

that's actually one of the things i was wondering, i just recently got into this whole mechanical keyboard rabbit hole and while doing research i stumbled across the custom built hobby, i never see them using cherry

[stone wave]

I feel like they're among the worst and most Cherry clones are some how better.

[vagrant holly]

they are always using keilh box whites or zilents

i always thougt cherry where the holy grail

[stone wave]

Vintage MX Blacks are nice if you refurb them... but... Gateron Ink exists now.

[bleak owl]

How about outemu?

[vagrant holly]

ye outemu too

[bleak owl]

Ppl saying they are bad

[stone wave]

I got Outemu Blues on my num pad and... ugh

they're rattily as fuck

[vagrant holly]

wait actually no i haven't seen a whole lot of people using outemu on custom builds

[stone wave]

and they make the worst sound ever

[vagrant holly]

but i know of a shit ton of keyboards using them

[bleak owl]

Ah

They are cherry clone

[vagrant holly]

and they are pretty dam cheap for mechanical keyboards

[bleak owl]

?

[vagrant holly]

ye they are cherry clones

[bleak owl]

Yea pretty cheap

[vagrant holly]

i mean they all are one way or another

[stone wave]

Gateron and Kailh are the better clones.

[bleak owl]

And razer switch is rebranded kailh?

Iirc

[vagrant holly]

doesn't razer have their own thing?

"mecha mechanical" thing

they are loud af

[bleak owl]

Opto mechanical

That's expensive

Ah is a semi mechanical

Kinda bad

I don't like them

[stone wave]

Either way I say custom is the way to go, it don't got to be expensive af.

[vagrant holly]

opto was like, a lazer signal that gets interrupted when you press down the key

or something

[bleak owl]

Ye

[stone wave]

Don't got to deal with some software and shit.

[bleak owl]

Razer software is shit

[stone wave]

And most custom boards you can program the keys to whatever you want.

[vagrant holly]

razer is all about the first time wow factor

[bleak owl]

The razer 3.0 is still in beta

Dafuq

[vagrant holly]

i had a razer keyboard at work and i never had a mechanical keyboard before

[stone wave]

Not exactly intuitive since you legit flash the PCB but if you can build your own board that's a non-issue.

[vagrant holly]

it felt like top tier stuff, it was loud it was going clickity clack and and a tacticle bump to it

but it got annoying in the long run

waayy too loud

[bleak owl]

The green one?

[stone wave]

IDK how Razer's color shit goes.

Is it like a MX Blue or a MX Brown?

[vagrant holly]

my keyboard had blues

[bleak owl]

Blue

[stone wave]

I see

[bleak owl]

Orange is brown

Yellow is red

[stone wave]

Probably want something similar to a brown or a red/black if noise is a concern

[vagrant holly]

why they gotta be like that

just standardize it

[stone wave]

You wanna see Kailh's naming scheme for Box switches?

[bleak owl]

Have u guys tried MX green

[vagrant holly]

i've seen it

[bleak owl]

80g

[stone wave]

like WTF is a burnt orange?

[vagrant holly]

LMAO

[bleak owl]

Wut

[vagrant holly]

hey man, at least they got something for everybody

[stone wave]

80 actuation or bottom out?

[bleak owl]

Act

[stone wave]

dang

I got 60g acuation and 90g bottom out

[bleak owl]

Brown 45?

The romer g is pretty meh for gaming imo

[stone wave]

Kailh Ancient Grey

it's a linear with 95g actuation and 100g bottom out

never tried them but... they're a thing

[bleak owl]

I dunno strange feeling

Is perfect for typing

For me

The red is fabulous

I like it

[stone wave]

My Model M is probably the best typing feel for me.

[vagrant holly]

oh here we go

a model M hipster

[stone wave]

But the damn thing pings so loud it's louder than my Box navy switches.

[vagrant holly]

[bleak owl]

Vintage

[stone wave]

like earth shattering keyboard noise

its actually distracting

[bleak owl]

Well we know the best keyboard is the Olivetti keyboard

Cyber u must approve

[stone wave]

Are you saying that cause they're Ita?

[bleak owl]

Yep

Well I sleep now

It's 2.30 am

Cya

[stone wave]

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[vagrant holly]

cya

[stone wave]

back to #degeneral?

[vagrant holly]

yep

[tame topaz]

@bleak owl I want those MF120s so bad

[bleak owl]

They are very loud tbh

[tame topaz]

Such a radical design

[subtle hawk]

#keyboard

[bleak owl]

Ppl asking me why I buy so expensive keyboard

I reply with bcs I use it everyde

[valid acorn]

You can buy a budget one that has the same reliability

[bleak owl]

No

Budget one break very easily

[valid acorn]

[subtle hawk]

"mechanical keyboards are a fucked up hobby"

[subtle hawk]

[subtle hawk]

can confirm

it's one hella nasty hobby

[bleak owl]

collecting mechanical keyboard isnt the only fucked up hobby i have

[stone granite]

do u also collect porn

[bleak owl]

no 3d is bad

[gloomy tinsel]

https://youtu.be/YH0NR1kmMUo

[wary depot]

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[subtle hawk]

noice

does it have VRR?

[wary depot]

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[subtle hawk]

how much

[wary depot]

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[bleak owl]

0.5

[stone wave]

That has a TN panel isn't it?
How is the trade off going with TN? I just stuck with IPS since I ordered my monitor without testing one in person.

[gloomy tinsel]

As I don't do gaming that requires reflexes or millisecond-precision, I'd rather take high res IPS with good colors and low refresh, over high refresh TN with low res and less good colors

[stone wave]

Same, I got the Dell Alienware AW3418DW.
34-inch UWQHD IPS display
3440x1440 curved
w/ G-sync and 120hz OC

[gloomy tinsel]

I have an LG 27UD58P-B, it's a 27-inch 4K60 IPS monitor with FreeSync

[stone wave]

That's a lot of resolution.

[gloomy tinsel]

I got spoiled within a couple weeks of buying it. I was adjusting my fonts and I was like "why are my fonts looking so bad"

And then I realized that the fonts only looked bad to me on my secondary monitor (1200p WUXGA). And now I can't go back lol

[stone wave]

yeah i spoiled myself with ultrawide

[gloomy tinsel]

I've considered the ultrawide route, but I actually like having a bezel somewhere in my monitor setup to help me logically group my workflow

[bleak owl]

rich ppl

[wary depot]

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[bleak owl]

the color on tn is like ded

ded like me

[gloomy tinsel]

Yeah, I got spoiled by IPS

[compact cloud]

lel

[bleak owl]

Where I can buy keyboard cable?

Something like this

[stone wave]

cheapest one is on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07W8CGR2P/

otherwise those aviator cables are like $55 and up

if you want a basic coiled cable those can be cheaper

[bleak owl]

Any Europe amazon link?

[stone wave]

What country?

I can try searching

[flint bobcat]

Why does that look like a BNC connector

[stone wave]

It's an aviator connector, GX12-4 pin I believe.

They're mostly just for looks when it comes to USB cables.

Winnja does limited international shipping for custom cables: https://www.winnja.com/

@bleak owl

[bleak owl]

Italy

[stone wave]

But these are made-to-order so turnaround is a bit slow

[bleak owl]

Huh

Ok thanks

Well if is out of Europe I have to pay the customs

And it's 14-24 €

[stone wave]

try https://octix.co.uk/collections/sleeved-usb-cables

while the uk is still in the eu

that's just if you need a basic sleeved cable

[bleak owl]

[stone wave]

if you want something more fancy try https://www.coolcable.co.uk/gb/

[bleak owl]

[stone wave]

failing that you can always do eBay or Alibaba

[bleak owl]

Yea but I wanna custom it

[stone wave]

Coolcable might be your best bet if you don't want to import one from US/CA

I normally forgo the Techflex

the 550 paracord is much more vibrant imo

[bleak owl]

Is not even expensive

Well thanks

I sleep now

It's 3am

[stone wave]

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[wooden geyser]

Hey guys need a bit of help here

Using a different phone because I can't redownload Discord on my main phone.

I tried soft reseting, clearing cache, clearing data and force stopping but nothing is working

As a matter of fact I can't even download any app or even apks.

It just crashes the app where I'm downloading it

I deleted discord earlier because it was going wack and after deleting the shit started happening

I tried using bluetooth but to no avail

If anyone can help me pls dm me or just ping me here how to fix it

Sorry for the wall of text as well

[bleak owl]

Virus mb?

[flint bobcat]

you can try factory reset

[subtle hawk]

@wooden geyser what android version

[wooden geyser]

@subtle hawk android 7

[subtle hawk]

so it's not that

weird

[wooden geyser]

I mean i kept on getting notifications to upgrade to oneUI but i keep on declining because its just a waste of storage

[subtle hawk]

well how much space do you have in total

[wooden geyser]

Around 6-7.5 gb

[subtle hawk]

in total?

[wooden geyser]

The space i have left

I have a 32gb/2gb phone

[subtle hawk]

and how big is Android for you rn?

[wooden geyser]

The update?

1057 mb

[subtle hawk]

well that one will overwrite your current install so there shouldn't be any storage increase

that's what I noticed myself when upgraded to oneUI 2

[bleak owl]

The curled cable is like 26€

[subtle hawk]

can I use non-Xbox controller to play Sekiro?

[bleak owl]

U are playing sekiro with mouse keyboard?

[subtle hawk]

so far, yes

[gloomy tinsel]

As long as there are suitable drivers, you can use any controller

Just keep in mind that the game may not display the buttons properly

[subtle hawk]

I thought Windows 10 automatically installs the driver

[unkempt oxide]

if you want to use controler i would recomend xbox because of the promts ps4 is cool too some game have mods / patches for ps4 ptompts

[gloomy tinsel]

@unborn flicker It's been some days since I upgraded to kernel 5.4 and re-enabled sdma, and the Navi hangs I've been experiencing seem to be resolved

With sdma back on, Warframe runs at 4K80 to 130 FPS, depending on where I am in the map. This is how it was all supposed to be :3

[bleak owl]

Yea I use xbox controller to play sekiro, u don't have to download nothing

[gloomy tinsel]

Switch Pro controllers have similar mapping to Xbox controllers, for what it's worth

[stone wave]

I say the Switch Pro controller is better than the Xbox One but it also costs more.

The triggers are better (shorter throw for the bottom ones). The XYAB buttons and D-Pad rattle less, and the joysticks have less resistance. Also the Switch Pro uses an internal battery charged via a USB-C port.

This is comparing it to the current Xbox One S controller, not the Elite or the rumored upcoming revised Elite 2.

[subtle hawk]

you can't say they're better

since constroller comparison is very subjective

I personally like when the joysticks are stiff

[stone wave]

oh my how lewd

but yea you make a good point

wouldnt hurt to drop by a store and try out a demo unit if they have any near you

[subtle hawk]

ye

try the Switch Pro, xbone and the DS4

[stone wave]

personally i dont like the long throw for the bottom trigger buttons on the Xbox One controllers

that's my biggest gripe with them

also you might end up choosing one just for the ergo

[subtle hawk]

I have all 3 of them

xbone for pc

DS4 for PS4

and the switch pro for obviously the switch

[stone wave]

Same

I actually bought the dongle for the Xbox controller recently

Cause I got a cheap ass USB BT dongle and the range with it is like... 3ft maybe...

[stone wave]

I could have just used it wired I really don't want more fucking wires on my desk

especially microUSB

[subtle hawk]

I should move them to the back IO

but meh

[stone wave]

I just cable tied a USB hub to my desk lamp (which is clamped to my desk)

its not winning any points for looks but it beats having a USB hub move around all over my desk

[subtle hawk]

u can always double side tape it to the desk

[stone wave]

Zip ties work out better in my case since I can cut them and they leave no residue.

My headphone hanger thing used to be taped on

but then I tried to hang a VR headset off of it.

[subtle hawk]

Is RDR2 stable on PC yet

[stone wave]

IDK I've still yet to finish Fallen Order.

Also Apple, help I bought one of those detachable aviator connector USB cables.

[gloomy tinsel]

Yeah I prefer loose sticks myself

Controllers are very subjective

[subtle hawk]

Mit pls

Don’t fall down cable hell

[stone wave]

dont worry it was a cheaper non-coiled one

[subtle hawk]

I’ll take the keycap rabbit hole over those modular usb cables

[stone wave]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07W8CGR2P/ref=twister_B07W8CGH1F

[subtle hawk]

The most I’ll go are coiled cables

Not those funky metal modular ones

[stone wave]

$27 comes with miniUSB and USB C

I think I once paid $20 for a regular USB C cable for my phone some years back.

Cause during then a lot of them were out of spec and frying ports.

Anyways my Grubhub order is ready time to pick that shit up.

[gloomy tinsel]

Oh yeah, I remember those bad days when many USB-C cables were out of spec

[subtle hawk]

@gloomy tinsel

[gloomy tinsel]

@subtle hawk

[subtle hawk]

Honestly when it comes to my cables... and especially with keyboards, I really couldn’t care less about what standard they are

usb-c, micro usb, ps/2... who cares

idk why some people are sticklers about their protocol

[stone wave]

USB C is reversible thats the only reason why i prefer it

[stone wave]

Looking at you fucking Kindle Oasis

[subtle hawk]

I only have one keeb that’s USB-C

[stone wave]

NGL the only reason why I unplug shit is to clean off my desk.

[subtle hawk]

there's quite the stark difference between PS/2 and USB

[stone wave]

PS/2 isn't necessarily hotswappable or plug and play IIRC.

[severe falcon]

PS/2 is the most plug and play, at least thats how it was on my old mobo

the usbs wouldnt even work when it got to the bios

[stone wave]

I've had times where I needed a restart for the PC to read a PS/2 device.

One that i've unplugged that is.

But this shit was like 12+ years ago

[subtle hawk]

PS/2 has inherent n key roll over

/s btw

[gloomy tinsel]

To my limited knowledge of the subject, there aren't any technical reasons to use PS/2 keyboards anymore

as far as the protocol goes

[stone wave]

I guess if folks still got KVM switches that are kinda old

[gloomy tinsel]

and PS/2 as originally designed was definitely not hot-swappable

[stone wave]

not so fun times back then

PS/2 KB+M and if you wanted to plug some accessory in, it's game port or serial port

[subtle hawk]

@gloomy tinsel bullshit

PS/2 works on system interrupts

unlike USB which polls the device

and it's not hot swappable

[gloomy tinsel]

I didn't say anything about it being hot-swappable

I actually said it wasn't

Wrong ping, Yamato? :P

[subtle hawk]

To my limited knowledge of the subject, there aren't any technical reasons to use PS/2 keyboards anymore
as far as the protocol goes

[gloomy tinsel]

Yes, I disclaimered that with "to my limited knowledge." Modern computers are very fast, so I don't see any reason to favor interrupts over polling anymore

[subtle hawk]

there is quite the benefit

not for the average user doe

then again you will be hard pressed to find a PS/2 keyboard these days

[gloomy tinsel]

Explain the benefit then

I'm curious

[subtle hawk]

say ur kernel hangs

then the bus won't be read anymore

but interrupts will

also in non UEFI BIOSes USB is rlly wonky

[gloomy tinsel]

The former, I can see
The latter seems extremely niche since pretty much all recent PCs have UEFI BIOS

I guess if you're working with old systems

[subtle hawk]

tell that to prosumer and enterprise gear

[gloomy tinsel]

Even in enterprises, newer gear uses UEFI BIOS. Sure, for the older systems

[subtle hawk]

no it doesn't

[gloomy tinsel]

Yes it does :P
All the laptops and desktops in my office use UEFI BIOS

[subtle hawk]

those are consumer laptops

[gloomy tinsel]

Those are business laptops

[subtle hawk]

with enterprise software on them

as I said

consumer laptops with special sauce

[gloomy tinsel]

Gib example of what you mean by enterprise gear then

[subtle hawk]

custom workstations, servers, routers, transmission antennas, modems, VoIP phones, etc

[gloomy tinsel]

Servers and workstations not so much, I see a number of servers with UEFI BIOS as well

[subtle hawk]

tell me last time u saw a supermicro or dell blade server with a UEFI BIOS

go on

I'll wait

[gloomy tinsel]

Happily

https://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9SRE-F.cfm (pretty old)

https://www.dell.com/community/PowerEdge-OS-Forum/PE-R710-and-UEFI-boot/td-p/4373625
R710 (also pretty old)

[subtle hawk]

supports UEFI

that's a whole other thing

UEFI booting IS NOT UEFI BIOS

[gloomy tinsel]

That's not how it works, yo. 🤔

UEFI is a BIOS replacement. UEFI BIOS can boot in either UEFI mode or legacy BIOS mode, legacy BIOS can't boot into a UEFI OS

[subtle hawk]

the BIOS is boot agnostic

it literally doesn't care about what will u boot

wikipedia won't help u here

and it's definitely not a replacement

[gloomy tinsel]

I mean, I literally can't find anything about the claim you're making. I have to assume that in this case you're just wrong

[subtle hawk]

well duuh

ppl go to unis and shit for this kind of info

not 2 min of googling

you can't replace the BIOS

it's a core thing for any computational device

[severe falcon]

tbh i have no idea how the bios even does what it does, its just magic

[gloomy tinsel]

UEFI just replaced the old BIOS standard is all I'm saying

(also you can replace the BIOS on a select limited amount of boards, see CoreBoot, but that's just a tangent)

[subtle hawk]

basically it tests ur hardware, makes sure everything is compatible, adjusts the system to run in the current configuration

then it loads the bootloader and passes over control

I can go more in depth but then we'll be sitting here for hours

[gloomy tinsel]

Chromebooks use coreboot, to my knowledge

[severe falcon]

ok but yama, does the mobo need a cpu to run the bios?

[subtle hawk]

yeah

[severe falcon]

ok so the bios instructions are actually running on the cpu

[subtle hawk]

it will not pass the Power On Self Test or POST without it

[gloomy tinsel]

Some boards ship with a small ARM chip or whatever to let you bootstrap the BIOS in case you don't have a CPU for the socket yet

[subtle hawk]

I mean if you would bypass the POST then yeah you can run the BIOS without a CPU installed

since the BIOS is nothing more than a giant settings page

[gloomy tinsel]

It was a subject of discussion when Zen 2 came out and people were like "how do I use old board with new CPU if the BIOS doesn't support it"

[severe falcon]

ah ok

[subtle hawk]

back in ye old days the BIOS was basic bcz most of the settings were changed with jumpers

[gloomy tinsel]

Oh yeah, those old jumpers. Those sucked

Stuff wasn't quite as plug-and-play as it is now, you needed to set jumpers for certain clock multipliers for certain CPUs and whatever

[stone wave]

remember doing those fucking pins to set which drive as slave

[gloomy tinsel]

IDE! Or PATA, or whatever you wanna call it

Also, ye old ISA bus

[stone wave]

I've scratched my hands a few times

either overly sharp cases or boards or whatever the fuck else

[subtle hawk]

y'all are too young to remember what a SCSI drive was

[stone wave]

im 28 so yea

[gloomy tinsel]

I know what it is at a base level, modern SAS drives descend from it

but I've never seen in person a true legacy SCSI drive

[subtle hawk]

or a SCSI transceiver for fiber

[gloomy tinsel]

Well, anyway, I'm triple-checking my sources on UEFI boot vs UEFI BIOS. A guy I know who's certified at Dell, for whatever that is worth, informs me that UEFI BIOS and BIOS supporting UEFI are synonymous

Take that for what you will Yama

I don't feel like arguing over it anymore

[subtle hawk]

for a UEFI system the boot process is

BIOS > POST > UEFI > bootloader

for a legacy system or one running CSM

BIOS > POST > bootloader

that little thing is still there at the bottom of the system

[gloomy tinsel]

Yes, that much I already did know before :P

[stone granite]

@gloomy tinsel I don't know what you guys are talking about, but for what it's worth this yamato guy tried to tell me I was wrong when I was very clearly right, and then tried to use a screenshot to prove me wrong that actually proved him wrong

[subtle hawk]

UEFI is more like a abstraction layer between the firmware and the OS

[gloomy tinsel]

And the thing I referred to as a "UEFI BIOS" is just that thing at the bottom

so, we're literally just arguing semantics

[stone wave]

i mean... honestly does it matter?

[subtle hawk]

technically ye

[gloomy tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stone wave]

like between the two of you

[subtle hawk]

I mean revy couldn't care less

but I do

[gloomy tinsel]

I mean, we already know we don't get along super well ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stone wave]

Yamato is discussing the proper distilling methods for Kentucky Bourbon.
And Revy is fine with beer.

[subtle hawk]

I wonder if u can make moonshine with a pc

[stone wave]

Automated moonshine

lol

[subtle hawk]

ye

[gloomy tinsel]

The crewmen of Laffey made drinks out of the alcohol in their Mark 14 torpedos

Hence Laffey being an alcoholic in game

[stone wave]

And Russians drank the coolant out of their RADARs or some shit.

[gloomy tinsel]

Drinking torpedo alcohol is probably dangerous if done wrong, but like

at least it made a good meme for us, I guess

[subtle hawk]

like use the GPU and CPU blocks to heat up the solution

[gloomy tinsel]

use alcohol as the medium in a cooling loop

Nothing could go wrong with that one /s

[stone wave]

480 memes

nvidia

[subtle hawk]

@stone wave modern russians drink gasoline when drunk

so there's that

deadass

[gloomy tinsel]

[subtle hawk]

but ye

I wonder if it could work

play vidya

and have moonshine dripping in ur cup

[gloomy tinsel]

Does anyone know here the thermal efficiency of alcohol vs normal cooling solutions?

In physics terms, I guess it would be the specific heat of alcohol vs the specific heat of normal stuff you use for cooling loops

as well as the thermal conductivity

[subtle hawk]

ethanol is 0.171 W/mK
methanol is 0.204 W/mK
water is 0.609 W/mK

[gloomy tinsel]

So, it's shit

[subtle hawk]

ye

[gloomy tinsel]

You would literally need almost 4x the ethanol to achieve the same thermal conductivity

[subtle hawk]

out of "common" liquids there's only 2 that have a better thermal conductivity

than water

[stone wave]

IDK about making moonshine but whiskey the first and bottom bits of the liquid will straight up kill you

[subtle hawk]

well duuh

that's methanol ur drinking

that shit is poisonous af

[gloomy tinsel]

Yeah, that isn't drinking alcohol

[stone wave]

just thought id try mentioning it in case you try distilling anything

[severe falcon]

the thing about alcohol is that the freezing point is lower, so you can technically absorb more energy but condensation ruins that idea

[subtle hawk]

my grandpa makes moonshine each year

he knows that shit

but ye the only 2 liquids better than water is

mercury with 8.4 W/mK and
hydrofluoric acid with 2.33 W/mK

[gloomy tinsel]

Lol mercury

[severe falcon]

are those the only 2 that are better?

[subtle hawk]

ye

[severe falcon]

dang

[gloomy tinsel]

Also, good luck with keeping that hydrofluoric acid contained

[subtle hawk]

^^

[stone wave]

mercury

I might opt for the acid instead.

[subtle hawk]

nothing like running a mercury custom loop amirite bois

[gloomy tinsel]

Looking up specific heat (source: https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/specific-heat-fluids-d_151.html):

Ethanol at 104 degrees F: 2.72 kJ/(kg K)
Fresh water: 4.19 kJ/(kg K)

So it's also significantly worse at heat capacity

[stone wave]

real geniuses use an open loop filled with cheese

fondue PC

[gloomy tinsel]

Gross, imagine cleaning out those pumps

[stone wave]

kek

[subtle hawk]

the only thing that comes close to water

is concentrated sulfuric acid

with 0.5

[severe falcon]

WHY

why is water the only non-deadly fluid with that high of heat absorbing?

[subtle hawk]

the majority is in the 0.2-0.1 range

xenon is the worst

[gloomy tinsel]

Sulfuric acid has terrible heat capacity tho, so it might not be worth using anyway

[subtle hawk]

0.07 for liquid xenon

[stone wave]

how about nitroglycerin

[subtle hawk]

good for poisoning reactors doe

[stone wave]

make a banging setup

[subtle hawk]

TNT isn't liquid

but glycerin is

and that's 0.285

[gloomy tinsel]

You would have a different problem first.

Nitroglycerin begins to decompose at 50-60C, well within normal operating temperatures of a PC

[subtle hawk]

that too

actually there's another candidate for the 2nd place after water

10% hydrocloric acid

also 0.5

[stone wave]

yeah no acid for me, just pay some dude with a beaker of liquid nitrogen and top off a small cup around my processor occasionally like those guys chasing OCing records

[subtle hawk]

@stone wave average price of nitrogen is 0.5$ per liter

[stone wave]

https://tenor.com/view/kick-some-ice-arnold-schwarzenegger-mr-freeze-gif-5080267

[subtle hawk]

so from old forums

I found how much you would use per day

[stone wave]

[subtle hawk]

about 50-70 liters per day on a modern system

CPU only

so about 30$ per day

just for cooling

[gloomy tinsel]

Big oof

[stone wave]

Yeah I'm going back to the cheese.

🧀

[unkempt oxide]

when you follow tutorials

[bleak owl]

[flint bobcat]

anyone familiar with network diagraming?

[vagrant holly]

like the stuff you use for cisco software?

actually nvm, been a while since the last time i made one, don't wanna give wrong answers

[subtle hawk]

mercury loops

[subtle hawk]

@flint bobcat sup

[bleak owl]

[stone sequoia]

How does one start a report

Part 4

[umbral onyx]

slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

FASTER

HELPPPPPPPP

nvm
got it

yeap

you know what is amazing?

making a build folder

only to realize

it wasn't compiled

and having to enter the folder to compile again

I thought cmake was a compiler

guess I was wrong huh

CMake is [...] software for managing the build process of software using a compiler-independent method

AH

AHHHHHHHHH

I see

Please run Please run Please run Please run

What did I messed up

I think

I will reextract the original aseprite source

and retry compiling

YES

IT WORKS

[bleak owl]

Zilf stop it get some help

[gloomy tinsel]

Ye NAS

[subtle hawk]

@gloomy tinsel

[gloomy tinsel]

@subtle hawk

[subtle hawk]

new pc made by fog

[gloomy tinsel]

Seems good. Not a fan of the mismatched color accents. B- or C+ cable management, the case seems to be limited in cable options

[subtle hawk]

well it was a low budget build

as for cable management I tried my best to make it as less visible as possible

[gloomy tinsel]

Yeah that's fair

[subtle hawk]

the case is absolute garbage

[gloomy tinsel]

I can think of a couple of things that might be possible to improve things slightly

As-is

If there is enough clearance under the mobo where the standoffs are, I think you can route the EPS cable through there and hide more of it that way

Big fat if

[subtle hawk]

there's none

[gloomy tinsel]

Welp

[subtle hawk]

as I said

tried my best with what I had

even had difficulty closing the back panel with the cables tied down with cable ties

[gloomy tinsel]

It isn't as bad as the DIYPC case build I worked with recently

[subtle hawk]

it's soooo baaaaaad

[gloomy tinsel]

My NAS is also a rats nest, the case has weak cable management for its price. Good home server case imo, despite that

Mainly just the SATA cables that are bad, the rest is kinda ok

The issues are definitely made more obvious by the large amount of drives

[subtle hawk]

well for my NAS I have a DAS and a 4U chassis

[bleak owl]

nanoxiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[obtuse dawn]

Protip: You can't just write sequential code and sprinkle a few MPI commands here and there and try to pass it off as parallel code.

People will see that bullshit and call you out on it

I am dead serious doing a peer review for a final project in parallel systems where someone tried that

[bleak owl]

big brain channel

[obtuse dawn]

I'm curious what the professor's going to have to say about it. She wrote the textbook for the class and is the department chair.

[bleak owl]

what u guys think 'bout stadia?

[obtuse dawn]

Not going to bother with it. I don't like the idea of being at the mercy of Google for whether or not I can even play my game

When I could buy that same game and be able to play it locally

[bleak owl]

it meant for ppl who cant afford a powerfull pc

[obtuse dawn]

Can't afford a powerful PC
But still offers 4K streaming

[gloomy tinsel]

As is, I already have issues with the idea of cloud gaming - basically exactly what Xudmud said. Google is not a proven variable in this business, and cloud gaming brings along questions about publishers doing really scummy things. They already do really scummy things - this just gives them even more control.

The not needing a PC argument would make more sense to me, if Stadia's business model made sense. But you have to buy the games anyway - sometimes, they even cost more on Stadia.

[obtuse dawn]

I'm just thinking to PS Now and yes, while that's Sony and their netcode, I still don't like the idea of streaming my games. Input lag and all sorts of other fun things

And then the video quality degrades if the connection's bad

[stone granite]

I predict there to be approximately zero customers that can afford the kind of internet needed to stream stadia

that also cannot afford a gaming pc

[gloomy tinsel]

That, too. You need a good internet connection to use Stadia, which means you have to be able to pay for a good internet connection, which means you can probably afford a PC

[stone granite]

I genuinely can't imagine what google was smoking

unless they just wanted to be the first to market for game streaming for swag purposes

which considering how half-baked stadia is at launch

is quite likely

[gloomy tinsel]

They're not even the first to market. GeForce Now is a thing

[stone granite]

barely anyone knows about geforce now, I certainly didn't

stadia is the word associated with the concept of game streaming in the minds of the public

[gloomy tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[bleak owl]

connection in italy

fuking slow

[stone granite]

my idea as a non-game-dev-or-programmer for gaming streaming to be viable is that it would have to be half and half

like they'd have to have the server render the game world, then send it to your pc

and then your pc would process the player movement etc

[bleak owl]

so flypaste is a boomer

[stone granite]

but that would be a huge load on the server since it would have to render parts that you can't see to prevent parts of the world to be missing when you turn around too fast

and the game would have to be built ground-up to run this way

so idk game streaming seems dead on arrival to me

[bleak owl]

how old are u flypaste?

[subtle hawk]

ok boomer

btw @gloomy tinsel we're reaching the time where a high speed internet connection is a must in a household

especially where there's more than 2 ppl that are heavy users

[bleak owl]

is a must

[gloomy tinsel]

There are still many places here that have slow internet connections

[bleak owl]

in italy most of ppl dont have fiber connection

[subtle hawk]

correction @bleak owl

most of EU

the new place where my family is moving has fiber

and I told them that if they don't wanna fight over bandwidth then get gigabit

since it's 8 devices streaming 1080p or 4K content at all times in the household

not to mention the other smaller stuff

[gloomy tinsel]

And yes, I agree, we're reaching the time where having a fast internet connection is a must
But many people still don't have one

[subtle hawk]

that's where u start kicking ISPs in the nuts

then again

[bleak owl]

i have fiber connection at least

[subtle hawk]

it's a PITA to run fiber in densely populated areas

[bleak owl]

i cant live without

[subtle hawk]

especially without running it underground

[gloomy tinsel]

Also, ISPs here are basically all scumbags

[subtle hawk]

correction

IPSs are basically scumbags

then again I do have a few favors with my ISP

[gloomy tinsel]

🤔