technology

[gloomy tinsel]

Ideally, I'd like to make it relatively friendly

[pulsar saddle]

Now that I use wayland I'll need to find alternatives to those utilities

Shouldn't be too difficult, I think, but I haven't researched that yet

[gloomy tinsel]

Ah, wayland

Is this Arch or Fedora or something lol

[pulsar saddle]

Arch

[gloomy tinsel]

I had to ask, because only a nerd would use Wayland ;)

[pulsar saddle]

... Ubuntu 18.04+ uses wayland now though?

[gloomy tinsel]

18.04 uses X by default

[pulsar saddle]

hmm

[gloomy tinsel]

They switched back after using Wayland in 17.10 by default

[pulsar saddle]

ah, yeah

[gloomy tinsel]

I use Fedora actually, but I run X on it

[subtle hawk]

mine is X too

[severe falcon]

hmm i wonder if the RPI 4 can compete with my FX-6300 trying to generate that terrain

[subtle hawk]

not really

[gloomy tinsel]

Probably not, even though the FX is quite old

[severe falcon]

it can only use one core though

[gloomy tinsel]

Oh

Still probably not

[severe falcon]

like my work comp has far worse stats but hyperthreading makes it twice as fast as the FX

[gloomy tinsel]

since the FX is like what, 3.5 GHz? Even with half the IPC it'll probably be a wash

But it's not half the IPC

P:

[tame topaz]

btw at least tell me what Distro is gud for general use/ has nice UI customization while still looking Windows-like so I can at least consider installing it on my laptop

[subtle hawk]

also x86 nowadays is so pipelined that IPC is really high

[gloomy tinsel]

Ubuntu MATE? Zorin?

[severe falcon]

yeah its like
work comp: 4 seconds
FX: 8 seconds
PI3: 40 seconds

but i think alot of that is ram

[tame topaz]

As few uses for command line as much as possible

[pulsar saddle]

If Windows-like, then anything that can run KDE?

[gloomy tinsel]

Is KDE more stable these days? I haven't used it at length since 4.x

[tame topaz]

also good support for Wine so I can run Office on it

[subtle hawk]

I would recommend what I'm using but Arch is really not beginner friendly

[gloomy tinsel]

but if so then Kubuntu

[tidal grove]

thanks for everyone who helped me for the past couple of days it's working fine now, besides the fact that i have to go return the gpu sometime this month

[severe falcon]

if i used linux, id probably go with debian, just cuz im so used to raspian

[tame topaz]

ALSO a distro that lets you have a completely transparent taskbar

[gloomy tinsel]

Kubuntu

[tame topaz]

ala what Classic Shell can do

I fucking love Classic Shell

[subtle hawk]

probably kubuntu

[gloomy tinsel]

I like Debian and I used it for a while, but everything's so old :(

[severe falcon]

or you can code a way to make the taskbar clear

[tame topaz]

no thanks

[gloomy tinsel]

But boi is Debian stable

[pulsar saddle]

Never really used KDE aside from running a Kubuntu LiveCD once, can't say anything about its stability

[subtle hawk]

me too

[tame topaz]

also I need absolute stability

[subtle hawk]

I'm currently using xfce

[gloomy tinsel]

I used KDE for a time while I was on Ubuntu but it was kind of a dud. But that was back in the KDE 4.x days

[severe falcon]

is debain outdated or something?

[tame topaz]

No gaming needed because my laptop potato

[gloomy tinsel]

and now we have KDE 5.x

Yeah, Debian tends to run older software packages

[subtle hawk]

it's "stable"

[severe falcon]

yeah and then raspian runs older debian so its the most "stable"

[gloomy tinsel]

Honestly Ubuntu MATE is probably a great pick but IDK how much you'll like the UI

[tame topaz]

So yeah just general schoolwork (making documents), internet browsing, has cool customization options with a familiar interface

That's all

[gloomy tinsel]

but you can customize the UI easily to look more Windows-y

I use MATE, Xfce has a weird window manager bug for me with the Android SDK emulator @subtle hawk

[severe falcon]

tbh i dont notice a difference UI wise going from windows to raspian, its just a different color

[tame topaz]

or if we're talking extreme

Something that looks like OS/2

[gloomy tinsel]

but I prefer MATE anyway. Ubuntu 8.10 was my first Linux and it rocked GNOME 2

[subtle hawk]

ah

[gloomy tinsel]

and MATE is just GNOME 2 but better

[tame topaz]

Always found that thing's UI funky

[gloomy tinsel]

so it's a win

GNOME 3 was sooooo weird

I can live with it but it's

a strange experience

[tame topaz]

Keep It Simple my ass. Keep saying that Arch

[gloomy tinsel]

Arch has a very specific definition of simple. It's "simple from a programming standpoint," not "simple from a user's standpoint"

These two things are pretty much mutually exclusive

[severe falcon]

there are not programmers on the planet that understand how customizable i want my UI

[tame topaz]

but yeah just throw at me some recommendations so I can get this over with please

[severe falcon]

probably ubuntu like they said

[tame topaz]

Just general use with lots of UI customizibility

[gloomy tinsel]

Ubuntu MATE (use snap to install latest LibreOffice)

[severe falcon]

btw libre office is just a reskinned and unorganized version of office

[tame topaz]

I don't like the Ubuntu look

[subtle hawk]

I have both latest and lts kernel

[gloomy tinsel]

Ubuntu MATE, not regular Ubuntu

[tame topaz]

MATE still looks like normal ubuntu to me

[subtle hawk]

hm

[pulsar saddle]

Arch tends to break AUR stuff imo, because of updates of related packages from official Arch repos

[tame topaz]

with the fonts and the windows and whatnot

blegh

[subtle hawk]

you can change that I think

[tame topaz]

confession: I actually kinda dig Metro

[gloomy tinsel]

You can change the fonts and theming

[pulsar saddle]

so you either makepkg -si all over again, or pray it doesn't break

[tame topaz]

so something Metro or Aero-like would be cool

[gloomy tinsel]

With a GUI I should add

5.x kernel has been very kind to me

For me, the desktop ranking is probably something like:
MATE (GNOME 2) > Xfce > Cinnamon > GNOME 3 Flashback > LXDE > KDE 4 > GNOME 3 > Enlightenment

Have not used at length:
Budgie, KDE 5

[tame topaz]

Elementary looks quite nice tho

[gloomy tinsel]

Enlightenment was a very weird experience for me

Elementary has some nice things going for it

[tame topaz]

It's more Mac-like but it looks clean and simple

[gloomy tinsel]

It's Ubuntu-based so stability should be good

[severe falcon]

like i did libre excel on my RPI for making graphs for physics II lab and everything from excel is there, but its just even harder to find

[subtle hawk]

for me it's like using office 2003

[gloomy tinsel]

I've used TDE a bit too

but not at length

[tame topaz]

honestly feeling tempted to go Arch

but what exactly makes it so hard then?

[gloomy tinsel]

Setting it up in the first place is all command line

basically

[tame topaz]

ouch

[subtle hawk]

or just install manjaro

[gloomy tinsel]

Manjaro has most of the Arch benefits without the hassle of setting up Arch

[tame topaz]

I see that every Linux interface by default basically uses the same fucking font.

Every one of them

[gloomy tinsel]

but you still have the other downsides of Arch, such as occasional rare breakages

[subtle hawk]

yeah

[gloomy tinsel]

which is not a big deal but it's offputting for a beginner

[tame topaz]

hm

[subtle hawk]

also lol mine is very android like

[severe falcon]

wait you cant edit the font it uses?

[gloomy tinsel]

You can

[subtle hawk]

like people said it's very customizable

[severe falcon]

i was about to say

[tame topaz]

But please, please just let me:

1. change window font
2. change window look (or hell, the entirety of the general soft-ass curvy soft color look)
3. make taskbar transparent

That's all I want with customization

[severe falcon]

notepad been doing that since 2001

[gloomy tinsel]

Actually if that's all you want then MATE is fine

If you want something that's very Windows XP-like, TDE is a good choice for desktop.
It even includes its own version of Internet Explorer 6 Konqueror 3 that's absolutely dogshit at loading modern websites.

[tame topaz]

oof

[gloomy tinsel]

I can't believe they're still maintaining Konqueror 3, that's hilarious

[severe falcon]

im fairly certain that window customization is so universal, its implemented in hardware now /s

[tame topaz]

chotto MATE

that joke has to be made eh

[severe falcon]

now THATS something you can code

and anime girl assistant

[gloomy tinsel]

It's even pronounced like matte

except the second syllable has emphasis

mah-TAY

[tame topaz]

but yeah anything with MATE then?

[subtle hawk]

I thought it's read like m8

[gloomy tinsel]

It's a kind of herb from South America

[severe falcon]

who yells CHOTTO MATTE! when you start spam clicking cuz its running slow

[gloomy tinsel]

Yeah. And I would do Ubuntu MATE mainly because Ubuntu base and Ubuntu base is pretty straightforward

and very stable

[subtle hawk]

yeah

[tame topaz]

Mint MATE?

[severe falcon]

but do not be a disgrace to society and make your taskbar run on the side

[gloomy tinsel]

Mint MATE is also fine

@severe falcon oh, you won't like what I'm doing on desktop

[severe falcon]

its running on the RIGHT side isnt it?

[gloomy tinsel]

It's running on the RIGHT side

[subtle hawk]

I always have problems with sideways taskbar

[severe falcon]

you are cancer

[tame topaz]

but yeah you guys gotta tell me how to customize those things once i get 'em running

[gloomy tinsel]

In fact, there are two bars on the RIGHT side

[subtle hawk]

I'll

[gloomy tinsel]

I have a Plank dock in the top right and a MATE panel in the bottom right because I'm a horrible, terrible person

[tame topaz]

MATE it is then

[gloomy tinsel]

Also yeah I'll do that

[tame topaz]

Just wanna get rid of the Ubuntu look as quickly as possible

[severe falcon]

the anime assistant needs to literally grab both of those bars and throw them to the bottom

[gloomy tinsel]

Just ping me

[tame topaz]

jesus

[gloomy tinsel]

I got used to side-mounted panels after using MX Linux for a time

[tame topaz]

Ditch the Ubuntu and go with 10 Metro/Aero

[gloomy tinsel]

I also use Alt+J for my drop-down terminal

[severe falcon]

actually, i now want to make anime girl assistant in python

[tame topaz]

real quick: GNOME vs MATE

[severe falcon]

you just ask her stuff and she searches for it either on the internet or in the computer

[tame topaz]

anime bonzi buddy

[severe falcon]

thats everything cortana and siri do on computers right?

[gloomy tinsel]

MATE is a continuation of GNOME 2, with very customizable panels and aesthetic
GNOME 3 has very, very low customization by default and requires you to jump through some more hoops

[tame topaz]

hm I see

Live USB time again

[gloomy tinsel]

Good luck

[severe falcon]

actually right side taskbar is better than left because at least you know youre trash if you have it on the right

[gloomy tinsel]

Whether you like it or not, it's whatever

I only have it like that on desktop; on laptop I have it on the bottom. Because fuck being consistent

[severe falcon]

i keep it on top for my pi

[gloomy tinsel]

That's the Raspbian default, right?

[severe falcon]

yeah

but the tiny resolution of the screen makes it weird on the bottom

its 800 x like 400 or something dumb

[gloomy tinsel]

Lol

[severe falcon]

but its a touch screen

wait i dont think pygame can do invisible windows

[gloomy tinsel]

Aw

[severe falcon]

nope i found it

[tame topaz]

KDE gud tho?

[severe falcon]

you can infact use the windows API to make it invisible

AND YOU CAN CLICK ICONS BEHIND IT

[subtle hawk]

also isn't regular ubuntu uses gnome 3

[severe falcon]

i can have her run all over the screen

[gloomy tinsel]

Regular Ubuntu uses GNOME 3
I can't comment on the most recent versions of KDE; I liked KDE 4 except that it was buggy af

[severe falcon]

OH DEAR

[gloomy tinsel]

I used KDE 5 very briefly to see what it was like, which doesn't paint a picture of long-term stability

[severe falcon]

i can make a siren themed computer

have jellyfish waifu be the assistant

[subtle hawk]

[tame topaz]

do it

[pulsar saddle]

Seems like I'm one of those who doesn't give a damn about taskbar position lol

Used Windows 8.1 before Linux with bottom taskbar

Then Unity from Ubuntu 14.04 with left

[subtle hawk]

I'm just so used to bottom

[pulsar saddle]

Then i3 with top

In all cases I was like "eh, whatever"

"will get used to in a week at most"

[severe falcon]

i prefer windows 8.1 phone

the greatest version of windows 8 ever made

[gloomy tinsel]

I use what I feel is comfortable for me

Hence right for desktop, bottom for laptop

[tame topaz]

alrighty, chotto mate it is then

[subtle hawk]

[gloomy tinsel]

Have fun, or not

[tame topaz]

now I feel tempted to make a Chotto OS running solely on MATE just for the sake of the pun

[severe falcon]

bruh if they made a desktop with the same idea as the 8.1 phone app screen

[subtle hawk]

what is going on in this thread

[tame topaz]

Key feature: hangs a ton

[subtle hawk]

are we having a DE war ?

[severe falcon]

we talking linux and random stuff

[tame topaz]

Nothing, just me freaking out over Linux

[gloomy tinsel]

Yep

[subtle hawk]

what can I say

[severe falcon]

we is recommending @tame topaz a linux flavor

[subtle hawk]

u all have shit taste in DEs

[tame topaz]

except you're welcome?

[subtle hawk]

[tame topaz]

So what do you use smarty pants

[severe falcon]

yamato over here with his custom made linux DE

[gloomy tinsel]

lmao

[subtle hawk]

[severe falcon]

wrote it in C in 1997

[subtle hawk]

as if

[tame topaz]

huh

[gloomy tinsel]

So, Blackbox?

[tame topaz]

but seriously tho what DE

MATE seems nice but not entirely sure about its capabilities

I want something close to a total conversion

From Linux-like to Metro or something

[subtle hawk]

basically u want windows but linux

[severe falcon]

raspian

[subtle hawk]

which defeats the point of linux

[tame topaz]

Windows but Linux

With t r a n s p a r e n t t a s k b a r

[severe falcon]

how about linux but no taskbar

[tame topaz]

Also just something nice and clean and not old-looking (tho XP-like is fine)

[subtle hawk]

but my taskbar is already transparent

[gloomy tinsel]

Fuzzy fuzzums

[tame topaz]

but yes Windows but Linux is exactly what I want

[subtle hawk]

switching from windows to linux means you'll be giving up a lot of creature comforts

[tame topaz]

I want a DE that can provide Classic Shell levels of customizibility

[severe falcon]

nah see yama has a transparent taskbar but his background is randomly generated 3d fractals from his nimi server farm

[subtle hawk]

nah

my background is 2D waifus

[severe falcon]

the nimi comp better have a bow on it

[subtle hawk]

no it doesn't

it's a generic looking server

[tame topaz]

but yeah back on topic

[severe falcon]

awww

@unkempt slate your master doesnt want to make you look pretty

shes about to ban me

[tame topaz]

some nice customizibility but good for just office use and nothing else

[gloomy tinsel]

What specs are on the cyaneko server

[pulsar saddle]

then Yamato be like "what's important is not looks, but inner beauty"

[gloomy tinsel]

I mean to be fair, when talking about servers...

[severe falcon]

and then we look at the uncommented code of nimi

[pulsar saddle]

I hope Nimi's code looks readable

[gloomy tinsel]

I wrote a wiki scraper, IDK if it still works after the website layout changes

[subtle hawk]

looks at the binaries yeahhhh about that

[gloomy tinsel]

And then I put it in a bot

[tame topaz]

but yes I just find the default UI of many distros unappealing

[severe falcon]

i also wrote a wiki scraper

[tame topaz]

I want a bit of a total conversion like I said

[severe falcon]

but then found out how to make the wiki export everything

[subtle hawk]

I just queried the wiki database directly

[severe falcon]

i just make the wiki give me the download link to the full tables

[tame topaz]

alright MATE like you guys said then, fine

I'll try it out after I'm done grinding AS for the final day

[gloomy tinsel]

Ubuntu MATE has some nice preset customization options if you want a starting point

[tame topaz]

First off: sharper windows.

[gloomy tinsel]

@unborn flicker server specs and stuff though

[tame topaz]

I don't like the curved edges.

[gloomy tinsel]

We have to compare servers 🦊

lmao

[severe falcon]

yama, do i need to show you the first iteration of nimi searching the wiki?

[tame topaz]

yeah just ditch the shaded and curve-edged windows and I'll be just fine

[severe falcon]

i dont have the meme version but ill post

[tame topaz]

That's all I want for now

and a bit of a font change too

[subtle hawk]

give mina a day or 2

and he's gonna come back to windows

[gloomy tinsel]

@tame topaz just a different theme should do it

[gloomy tinsel]

Just a link, huh

[tame topaz]

nah I intend to run it on my own laptop not the damn family desktop

[gloomy tinsel]

also lol

[severe falcon]

the meme version was i added helena but deep fried and put an E on there

yeah helena was what you got if you searched "e"

[tame topaz]

@subtle hawk may won't since windows 10 is getting kinda hardware-demanding

[gloomy tinsel]

Well I am gone now

[subtle hawk]

hardware demanding

u fuking wot

[tame topaz]

4 gigs of RAM and a CPU from like 9 years ago

[severe falcon]

i though win10 used the least hardware demand of 7,8 and 10

[tame topaz]

idk

[subtle hawk]

windows 10 can run on a raspberry pi

it can run on any toaster

[tame topaz]

Windows 10 IoT Core I know

[severe falcon]

bruh the cpu from 9 years ago is your problem

[subtle hawk]

have you thought that the hardware is just THAT old?

installing linux won't make it magically better again

[tame topaz]

I know

Just want something smooth

[severe falcon]

it doesnt eat more than 2 gigs of my 12 gb ddr3

and thats 6 year old ram

[tame topaz]

And a change of pace

and btw I don't have money for a new laptop if that ain't obvious enough already

Alright fine I'll take MATE then

Might as well make a live USB right now

[subtle hawk]

yeah stop complaining

and do it

[severe falcon]

although that 2 gb is reported by msi afterburner and im not sure exactly how accurate it is

[tame topaz]

Mint MATE seems to always fall behind Mint Cinnamon

So Ubuntu then?

[severe falcon]

uses runescape as an example because thats the most intensive game that supports linux

[subtle hawk]

bruh

wait until you run cities skylines

[severe falcon]

im waiting for games to get ARM support so i can game on my RPi

[subtle hawk]

just find games that has source code and then compile for arm

or install android

[severe falcon]

wait

you can install android on an RPI?

I CAN PLAY AL ON AN RPI?

[pulsar saddle]

yes you can

[subtle hawk]

I'm pretty sure rpi's gpu isn't suited for that

[severe falcon]

what GPU?

[pulsar saddle]

it's just a Linux-based OS

but about games...

also the touchscreen issue

[severe falcon]

i have a touchscreen monitor for my rpi

supposedly can do 10 point touch but the rpi only detects one

i wonder if RPI4 could actually run ocarina of time

gonna play OOT randomizer on the go

[subtle hawk]

snes emualtion isn't that demanding

I think it can run fine even on rpi 3

[severe falcon]

RPI3 cant do it

no this is N64

[subtle hawk]

oh lol

[severe falcon]

yeah the RPI3 can do PS1 games decently if you overclock it

it can do all 2d pokemon games perfectly tho

[subtle hawk]

that's why a pi is only good for retro games

I keep confusing it with a link to the past

[severe falcon]

i mean it did platinum at 60 fps or whatever the DS runs it at

[subtle hawk]

lol yeah

DS runs at 60fps

[severe falcon]

yeah it looked like it was straight from a DS

[subtle hawk]

but pokemon doesn't fully 60fps until BW

[severe falcon]

it ran PS1 games better than my PS2

i dont think anything on the planet can run Shadow of the Colossus better than a PS2 tho

does anyone on here know of some software or something that lets you make 3d shapes from triangles and squares,etc?

[subtle hawk]

I mean all 3D objects in a pc are made from polygons

[severe falcon]

i mean yeah i have blender so i can do 3d medelling but im talking like shapes that have the exact same edge lengths and can only scale

cuz i wanna make some weird, but mathematically perfect 3d shapes

[subtle hawk]

nani

nani

I mean u can use CAD

but its still relative

[severe falcon]

like i mean this kinda thing

where every single line is the exact same length and every point is in the exact right spot

that would take literal hours with blender

so i was wondering if there was a software for exactly this

cuz ive seen some crazy octagonal prisms with a triangular cupola on the top and a pentagonal cupola on the bottom or whatever

[violet nexus]

is it really fucking cold in data center ?

holy shite

its like 5 degrees celsius here

[severe falcon]

yeah

thats normal

[violet nexus]

and server racks here looks like coffin

[severe falcon]

now thats not normal

[violet nexus]

i might be in morgue

[severe falcon]

are you sure you are not at the body storage of a funeral home?

[violet nexus]

Yes

[severe falcon]

oh those arent coffins

[violet nexus]

This is sexy

[subtle hawk]

that's a small class data center

[violet nexus]

Yes

But its plenty

Its like commercial ISP are connecting here in this data center

And the security is so freaking high

[subtle hawk]

ofc

should see a internet exchange node data center security

[severe falcon]

i think all of our security is software related

except for basic building security

[fickle crest]

its hillarious

a PC built from parts bought by whish

https://youtu.be/6mMIOhoUcCM

[subtle hawk]

@fickle crest I literally saw that video pop into my recommended

sasuga youtube algo

[fickle crest]

They be watchin us

[flint bobcat]

It cometh

[tidal grove]

does anyone know

if i can have both hdmi and displayport

connect to the same monitor

i want to test something out

[subtle hawk]

ye

you'll just need to switch inputs

for example my gaming monitor has DP hooked to pc

and HDMI to my switch

[tidal grove]

yeah

my 5700xt

only reads hdmi

and can't read displayport

in all 3 of its slots

[subtle hawk]

kek

what if ur monitor DP is ded

[tidal grove]

nah

it worked fine

with my old pc

just tested it out

im not tryna play in 60 fps

[subtle hawk]

first time I head DP not working

[tidal grove]

okay

i think im kinda close to figuring it out

i used the display port as 2nd monitor

and tried changing the hz and whatnot

and it worked sort of

but when i plugged out the hdmi

it got no signal again

[subtle hawk]

have u thought that ur not using the right input

[tidal grove]

wdym

[subtle hawk]

like did u specifically go into monitor menu and tell it to use DP signal instead of HDMI?

mine has a shortcut button for that

but not all models do

[tidal grove]

hmm

let me see if i can find that

[flint bobcat]

@subtle hawk what's DP

[subtle hawk]

DisplayPort

[flint bobcat]

Is it better than hmdi

[subtle hawk]

duuh

[flint bobcat]

o

[subtle hawk]

it's miles better

and the only one capable to run anything higher than 4K@60

[flint bobcat]

Wait does my rog have a dp

[subtle hawk]

ye

[flint bobcat]

Osht

Gonna buy one

[subtle hawk]

it should have one in the box

and for that price

no gsync

reeeeeeeeee

[flint bobcat]

Oh ok, it does come with display port and hdmi

But it's ok yamato, it's my first powerful monitor

[tidal grove]

hdmi is stuck at 60fps

display port can go higher

which is what matters to me the most

i can't play at 60 fps anymore

but now i got it to work

i made it duplicate displays

then made 144hz Displayport as primary

[flint bobcat]

What do I plug the other side into

[tidal grove]

took me 2 fucking days

[flint bobcat]

So I plug one side to the monitor, where do I plug the other part

[subtle hawk]

the GPU

duuh

[stone wave]

HDMI can go above 60hz but you need like version 1.3 or some shit

[subtle hawk]

1.4

[stone wave]

yeah

its easier to just but a display port cable and use that

Just use https://www.testufo.com/ to see if your shit is running at 144hz or whatever when you get it setup Aria

[subtle hawk]

you don't even need that

you can tell with the naked eye when it's running at 144

[tidal grove]

https://www.amazon.com/NZXT-Kraken-280mm-All-One/dp/B06XX8Q1CL

thinking of copping this

[subtle hawk]

if u rlly want a decent AiO

get one of those corsair triple rad ones

[tidal grove]

but it matches my nzxt case

[subtle hawk]

then I guess go for it

[stone wave]

I'm using this https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Hydro-H100i-PLATINUM-Radiator/dp/B07R6YLDDS

[subtle hawk]

god that looks tacky af

[stone wave]

It's inside a white case and I don't use it with the rainbow vomit.

[flint bobcat]

I don't have a gpu

[stone wave]

RTX 2070 super?

$529.99 before taxes

just don't get a blower card

Then again you don't really do much AAA gaming though IIRC

[tidal grove]

5700xt wasn't as loud as i expected it to be

[stone wave]

I kinda wanna try a mini-ITX build next time I replace all my shit...

[flint bobcat]

Well mith

I here rtx 2080 is really good for visual research in programming

So I'm wait next year for it

Cause I'm first gonna get my new build, then gpu

[stone wave]

mm

well the 3900x doesn't have integrated graphics (APU)

so you gonna need to find something as a stop gap

[flint bobcat]

Osht

Some cheap ass $80 gpu

[subtle hawk]

most AMD chips don't have iGPUs

[stone wave]

The enthusiast ones don't

[subtle hawk]

only intel ones do by default

all of them don't

outside of the G models

[stone wave]

I thought the ones with no letter had them

[subtle hawk]

no

[stone wave]

either way Aria gonna need to find a GPU

so it dont matter in the end

[flint bobcat]

Gtx 1050 goes for $150~

So that's good I guess

[stone wave]

pay a bit more for the ti model?

or nah

[flint bobcat]

Nah, no reason to if I'm going to upgrade near future

[stone wave]

you could bum it with a GTX 950

like a used one

[flint bobcat]

It's pretty cheap

$89

[stone wave]

or even a 750ti

[subtle hawk]

https://www.cloudflare.com/magic-transit/

not this is spicy

[flint bobcat]

yo i found something hella nice

[subtle hawk]

Buy a second handed 1070

cheap

[gloomy tinsel]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14368/biostar-a10n-8800e-motherboard-review wtf

[tame topaz]

What the heck

[gloomy tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

When do we get more boards like this with Zen SoCs?

[tame topaz]

Hopefully we will

Biostar and Asrock are known for these kinda things

and honestly I wanna buy at least a pi zero w now ngl

just to fuck around

[gloomy tinsel]

Right now, the main boards I've seen of this type with Zen are for industrial/embedded systems

[tame topaz]

hmm

maybe

[gloomy tinsel]

Well, there's also the Udoo Bolt

which is like a really expensive RPi with Zen

[tame topaz]

Wonder if the Jetson Nano is any good

[gloomy tinsel]

It's good for the specific things that require GPU acceleration and CUDA stuff

otherwise eh

[tame topaz]

I wanna get the Orange Pi because bang for buck

But heard that software is terrible

[gloomy tinsel]

I've heard the quality control on some of the Orange Pis is pretty low, too

The Pine64 is also pretty neat

[severe falcon]

is the orange pi made by the same company?

[gloomy tinsel]

As what?

The Raspberry Pi? No.

[tame topaz]

No they're Chinese

[severe falcon]

ah ok

[gloomy tinsel]

The Pine64? Also no.

[tame topaz]

btw how do you even plug in peripherals for the zero

[severe falcon]

for the rpi zero?

[gloomy tinsel]

You need a USB OTG adapter

[tame topaz]

I have that

though it doesn't split

[gloomy tinsel]

USB hub if you need more than one peripheral

[tame topaz]

but yeah on top of the board itself I'll have to buy an SD card too

so blegh, nah

[severe falcon]

bruh

its an SD card

they are extremely useful

[tame topaz]

Again I still don't have that much money

and once again besides just having fun I don't see an use for it

I think a valid use case would be like Pi-hole or something

[severe falcon]

yeah that would be good

[gloomy tinsel]

Pi-hole is nice, I run it on my home server

[subtle hawk]

I have an rpi but I can't use it for pi-hole because I'm on uni internet

I don't use pihole

bcz it's garbage

[tame topaz]

everything is garbage to you yama

[subtle hawk]

for ppl that have no idea how to use linux it's decent

but for anyone that has a mild idea how to manage a server can do a better job

[tame topaz]

well most people don't have a server so

[subtle hawk]

a rpi is a server

well it can be if u configure it as such

[tame topaz]

well I sure won't

if I do get one

[subtle hawk]

yeah

any computer can be a server

[severe falcon]

rpi zero super computer

[subtle hawk]

lol how are you going to parallelize it

[severe falcon]

listen

ill do it

[subtle hawk]

@subtle hawk get more of them

[severe falcon]

yeah i mean they are $5

[subtle hawk]

I meant how to communicate between modules very quickly

ethernet

should be plenty

[severe falcon]

uhh ive seen them make basically the equivalent of an SLI bridge

zeros dont have ethernet

just a micro usb

i mean i guess you can get an adapter but the adapter is porbably more expensive than the zero

[subtle hawk]

lol

maybe SPI

[severe falcon]

ive just seen them make a board with arrays of micro USBs sticking out of it

one array fro power, the other for data

[subtle hawk]

wifi is a thing

[severe falcon]

yeah but you already laugh at me for using wifi

[subtle hawk]

you use a isolated network between them

like point blank

besides you won't go to speeds over 50-100Mbits

[severe falcon]

oh and router has what like 200ish slots for addressing?

i cant remember all the info from networking class

[subtle hawk]

no

253

[severe falcon]

ah

[subtle hawk]

in the /24 subaddress

[severe falcon]

yeah thats the stuff my brain learned for the test and then forgot

something something prefixes, something something subnet

[gloomy tinsel]

Custom interconnect with GPIO pins

[severe falcon]

no but then youre getting into that old hawaiian military network of trying to all communicate on a single wire

[gloomy tinsel]

I like my idea because it's terrible

[severe falcon]

i mean modern tech is so fast that you probably wouldnt notice much of a difference until you measured it against a good idea

[gloomy tinsel]

Make a bonded interface with USB, WiFi, and GPIO

Use all the interfaces

[subtle hawk]

enjoy the overhead

[gloomy tinsel]

Yes

I will

[severe falcon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALOHAnet#ALOHA_protocol
found it

also i found out the other day that alot of programming languages and by extension most programs use the exact same random number generator

[gloomy tinsel]

The Mersenne twister?

[severe falcon]

yeah

[gloomy tinsel]

It's quite popular for simple RNG, you don't want to use it for cryptography tho

[severe falcon]

meanwhile nintendo made its own RNG for SM64

[gloomy tinsel]

For crypto you want something better, like urandom

[severe falcon]

tbh i wish there was alot more info on actually making random number generators

[gloomy tinsel]

Look into algorithms that demonstrate the avalanche effect @severe falcon and try applying them with timestamps as seeds

[severe falcon]

ah i see

i remember one of my professors used LISP and made a random number generator but perfectly shuffling a list multiple times

created chaos from perfect order

[gloomy tinsel]

Lisp, did you mean (()()()(((()((((())))()))))())())))

[severe falcon]

yeah

taught us our pathetic C++ and Java cannot compare to LISP and its knowledge of what the first digit of 1000! was

[subtle hawk]

lisp is meh

[stone wave]

did somebody say wifi?

[flint bobcat]

LOOOL

[obtuse dawn]

Darn conflicting technologies... Apparently Nox/Bluestacks really doesn't play nicely if you enable Windows Sandbox

To the point of "SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION" blue screens

[subtle hawk]

@obtuse dawn >don't play nicely

well no shit

Windows Sandbox uses Hyper-V

while any emu uses KVM

so when you try to run 2 virtualization implementations that are completely different from each other

well

everything windows VM related runs on Hyper-V

docker on windows too

[obtuse dawn]

Makes me kinda glad I didn't try to launch a virtualbox VM

[subtle hawk]

it would give you the same result

[gloomy tinsel]

Hypervisors

[obtuse dawn]

Yeah, I know.

[subtle hawk]

since under the hood nox/bluestacks/whatever run a virtualbox VM

[obtuse dawn]

Don't I know it... Breaks an existing Virtualbox install if you install Nox too =/

[subtle hawk]

well yeah

because it overwrites a lot of defaults

[gloomy tinsel]

I try to run everything in KVM on my desktop

[obtuse dawn]

But reinstalling Virtualbox doesn't break Nox

[subtle hawk]

specifically for nox

[gloomy tinsel]

Hey Yamato, what are your thoughts on GNOME Boxes

inb4 "it sucks if you know what you're doing with VMs"

[subtle hawk]

meh

[obtuse dawn]

I have a hard drive on my list of things to get for my desktop, so I can dual-boot Linux on it

[subtle hawk]

I rarely use the DE in linux

[obtuse dawn]

Don't feel like messing with partitioning at the moment

[subtle hawk]

since things are easier to do from CLI

[obtuse dawn]

^

[gloomy tinsel]

I use the DE a lot since it's my primary desktop OS P:

[mental coyote]

I use kde more than anything.

[severe falcon]

what is kde, ive only heard it cuz kolourpaint names all its folders that

[obtuse dawn]

I have MATE right now on my machine but I'm considering swapping back to KDE at some point.

I'd have used i3-gaps but I have to go reinstall the gaps part of it

[tidal grove]

my display port doesn't work when i plug out the hdmi

[gloomy tinsel]

https://docs.xfce.org/apps/screensaver/start waow

Xfce finally has its own screensaver

[flint bobcat]

looks good enough for simple desk

[tame topaz]

Good ol Ikea

tip-over risk

Oof

[brave anchor]

My internet git weird

Can't upload anything

[subtle hawk]

@brave anchor u wanna see pain?

[severe falcon]

man yama how did you break into my house?

[subtle hawk]

I didn't

I'm suffering the EU internet syndrome

[severe falcon]

oh well make the upload about 5 Mbps and thats my normal 100 Mbps internet service

[brave anchor]

Sad

[valid acorn]

@brave anchor Which district you tested in KL?

Cuz maxis should be good in the capital city

[obtuse dawn]

Hm... If all I'm doing is string comparison on input, is there a reason to sanitize it?

In terms of javascript for a Twitch bot. I read in the message text, check for a specific phrase, and then return a message if that phrase is there

[gloomy tinsel]

Should be fine if that's all you're doing

[obtuse dawn]

Yeah, it's all I'm doing for now. If I get to more advanced stuff for sure I'd sanitize what's coming in

[umbral onyx]

For those wondering what I do at school

[subtle hawk]

@obtuse dawn you always sanitize inputs to DB or when running something internally

if it's just parameters you can be more lax

[obtuse dawn]

Well, I'm receiving it from a function, so for all I know it comes pre-sanitized

[flint bobcat]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Laser-Diode-5-Watt-915nm-Fiber-Coupled-100um-JDSU-6390-L3-5W-NEW-63-00192-/253986776335

Gonna need this later

[noble jolt]

HALLO

is anybody here a full stack developer

[subtle hawk]

backend dev here

[violet nexus]

stormwall is russian made anti-ddos ?

[shadow valley]

what's the goto for cpu benchmarks?

[subtle hawk]

cinnebech R15 and R20

geekbench

[shadow valley]

danke

[subtle hawk]

aida64 stress test

prime95

[severe falcon]

am sad because cant turn rpi 4 into decent laptop

[subtle hawk]

@noble jolt sup

[noble jolt]

@subtle hawk i'm part of a startup and we're trying to find one how do

[subtle hawk]

@noble jolt

well

[noble jolt]

i stuck up some adds on indeed for now, hopefully we can trap someone local

[subtle hawk]

I think you’d have better luck looking at LinkedIn because I’m still in uni, at least in my case

(what region are you guys though)

[noble jolt]

australia

:^)

[subtle hawk]

ah bloody hell

if you asked me if i was still in qld

maybe

[noble jolt]

HEH

feelspotato

well we're in sydney

big meme

[subtle hawk]

btw

darn

getting a fullstack is a bad idea

good luck anyways trying to find prospects

also that

you probably want to find more people with specialized skillsets

as opposed to solely seeking out jacks

[noble jolt]

we're just trying to develop a mvp for now

[subtle hawk]

you're better off getting more personnel than a jack of all trades

[gloomy tinsel]

Agree

[subtle hawk]

hm so I need to specialize at something

because right now I'm literally a jack

[subtle hawk]

ofc u have to

[violet nexus]

FUCK SANGFOR

One of the shittiest ngaf

Even pfsense can do better than sangfor

[tidal grove]

what was that app

to see temperature

for ur pc

[severe falcon]

msi afterburner can do it

[gloomy tinsel]

On Loonix you can do watch sensors in a terminal

[subtle hawk]

aida64 can do it

[vagrant holly]

OpenHardwareMonitor can do it too

[subtle hawk]

i use OHM

[gloomy tinsel]

OHM seems to not have fantastic platform support for systems from the last couple of years

[fickle crest]

https://twitter.com/isaparrot/status/1163824288148983814

Dunno if its real or not but:

Is A Parrot (@isaparrot)

Breaking news: a new cooling patent was discovered for PS5!
It looks like a smorgasbord of vents and heat fins arranged in a V

Credit to Era and Letsgodigital

https://t.co/cFY3KDTjpr

Twitter

PlayStation V

V Shaped

Kek

[subtle hawk]

✌

[severe falcon]

gonna be honest, if they turned that design into a CPU heatsink id buy it right now

lets hope that the PS5 can compete with its great grandmother

[tame topaz]

We need our big chunky metallic heatsinks again

[severe falcon]

oh i just looked and PS1 has actually sold more than the PS3 and PS4

thought the 4 is only 2 mil away from beating it

[subtle hawk]

@severe falcon PS2

[severe falcon]

no like the PS1 has 102 mil, PS4 has 100 mil

PS2 is the king of all consoles

[vagrant holly]

ps1 came back when if you wanted to play games, the console was pretty much what the vast majority of people would go for, pc gaming did exist but they where still pretty complicated to build for the average person to build, internet itself was a new concept and phones where bricks, ps2 was pretty much the golden age consoles, nowadays consoles are just 1 way of many to play games, we now have nintendo, pc and even phones to play games on

[flint bobcat]

Does android allow bash scripts to be run?

[umbral onyx]

Cutscenes in games are annoying to make

[wooden geyser]

Hey guys my sd card got corrupted is there any way to recover my files there?

I have like a lot of personal pics in it

[gloomy tinsel]

@flint bobcat you can get bash terminal emulators for Android

@wooden geyser depends on how badly corrupted the card is, but it is possible in theory - you may or may not be able to get everything from it

[subtle hawk]

at least better than when I snapped my micro sd card

[wooden geyser]

Is this safe? Or no? I accidentally dropped my other phone on the battery when i wad putting back the sd card

But it will effect battery performance right?

[subtle hawk]

no

[wooden geyser]

so do i have to get a replacement one?

[subtle hawk]

@wooden geyser if it starts swelling then yes you definitely need a new one

but the indent doesn't look that deep to get to the lithium layers

[severe falcon]

I opened a backpack that i hadnt used in a while and i found my windows tablet looking like a pillow cuz the battery became an airbag

[gloomy tinsel]

Oh shit

[subtle hawk]

how to make ur router hate u

https://yamato.azur-lane.moe/media/qp26k.png

in 2 days

[flint bobcat]

is gtx 1660 good for med gaming

[gloomy tinsel]

Yes

Why not get the 1660 Ti? It's a healthy amount faster for not much more

[flint bobcat]

it doesnt really matter, just trying to save money

[gloomy tinsel]

If you only want medium settings, the RX 570 is still a good buy, considering the sales on it

You can get them for cheap and they outperform the GTX 1650 by a small amount

[subtle hawk]

doe mind u

team red graphics drivers are shit

[gloomy tinsel]

Not really, I've always had good results from them

[subtle hawk]

yes really

[gloomy tinsel]

If anything I generally have worse results from Nvidia drivers

[subtle hawk]

running them for games is nothing compared to actual workflow utilization

[gloomy tinsel]

The question above only pertains to gaming

[subtle hawk]

even in gaming radeon drivers usually underperform

due to their shittier API implementation

[gloomy tinsel]

I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from

[subtle hawk]

not getting "an idea"

I've gotten the experience first hand

[gloomy tinsel]

Great, so your anecdote is louder than mine

Good to know

[subtle hawk]

not an anecdone

I can't get numbers right now but I can go dig up my older cards if you really want to

and get the driver archive

[gloomy tinsel]

Me (and a number of people I know) have regularly had stability issues from Nvidia drivers

[subtle hawk]

and how big is that sample number?

and on what hardware?

[gloomy tinsel]

Friend has a 1660 Ti that's currently burning on latest drivers

which is the most recent case

[subtle hawk]

I said hardware not the GPU

what motherboard, what CPU, what monitor at what res and refresh rate

as well as if any modification have been made to the clocks of the CPU and RAM

[gloomy tinsel]

I believe it's a Ryzen 3rd gen

No clock modifications

[subtle hawk]

that's what I thought

[gloomy tinsel]

Another acquaintance had a 1060 in a Kaby Intel system that also regularly burned up

[subtle hawk]

stability issues manifesting themselves as?

[gloomy tinsel]

Suspend bugs, graphical artifacting, etc.

[subtle hawk]

what exact GPU model

[gloomy tinsel]

IDR, it's physically dead now

because someone tried to fix it and killed it in the process :|

[subtle hawk]

was it in a small case by chance?

or a shit case with no airflow

[gloomy tinsel]

Yeah, small system. But probably not heat issues

[subtle hawk]

probably not

200% that was it

nvidia cards have a clock curve that makes it downclock the card the higher in temps it goes

and running it constantly hot can ruin joints

same happens to some AMD cards

[gloomy tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Well, it's dead now, so not much that can be done

Oddly, the most stable card I've had is actually probably the R7 250 that I used as a placeholder card for a short while

I liked that card, actually. It was an oversized potato, but it did what it had to

I'll agree that, at least in my experience, AMD drivers around 2015 were very, very bad

Not so much nowadays, regularly have good results

[obtuse dawn]

Protip: If requiring Python code to be submitted via a text box, make sure said text box doesn't do some silly thing like strip extra whitespace from the start of lines.

[gloomy tinsel]

Oh no

[obtuse dawn]

Yep =/

And this is why I put the stuff on Github as well

[flint bobcat]

bought the 1660

arriving tomorrow

[severe falcon]

@subtle hawk yo can lightning cause interference on a USB 3.0 scanner cable? 3 pages that i scanned came out as pure noise

[subtle hawk]

no

[severe falcon]

bruh wtf then

[subtle hawk]

unless it's some super shitty unshielded cable

but even then

the EMP blast from lightning is negligible

[severe falcon]

yeah but 3 pages in the middle of like 140 were just static

wait

[subtle hawk]

could just be a bad connection

[severe falcon]

it runs alongside the ethernet cable

[subtle hawk]

unless they run inside the same cable they won't interfere with each other

[severe falcon]

bruh my scanner is haunted

[subtle hawk]

another issue may be high current wires

that are not shielded

[severe falcon]

oh well it also runs next to the cord of a powerstrip

[subtle hawk]

now that sounds more likely

[severe falcon]

hmm so maybe a slight powersurge from lightning?

though i cant actually hear any thunder

[subtle hawk]

meybe?

for it to affect your scanner it has to be literally above you

[severe falcon]

then its ghosts

[severe falcon]

im wondering if the school will let us keep the VR stuff

cuz apparently each student is getting an Oculus Quest for a class im in

[severe falcon]

@subtle hawk any idea if its possible to wash a microfiber cloth?

[subtle hawk]

yeah but not rlly

[severe falcon]

oof

well hopefully paper towels will work then

[flint bobcat]

@stone wave I need help

[stone wave]

?

[flint bobcat]

How do I take these off

[stone wave]

pull?

[severe falcon]

they should pop off

[flint bobcat]

They're welded in

[severe falcon]

yeah i think you have to break them off

[gloomy tinsel]

Oh I hate those. Just rock them back and forth until they come off @flint bobcat

[flint bobcat]

Ok

[gloomy tinsel]

Put a phillips head screwdriver into the + shape

and then just rock it until the thing falls out

That's how budget cases do

What're the rest of the specs?

[severe falcon]

the past two cases ive gotten had them screwed in so you could put them back

[gloomy tinsel]

You can always buy PCIe brackets later if you need to cover them back up

They sell black ones if you need it to match your case

[flint bobcat]

Wait shit

I forgot how to put it back in

[gloomy tinsel]

Put what back in

[flint bobcat]

The back plate orientation

:notlikethis

Oh figured it out

Nvm

@gloomy tinsel what's that port on the gpu

On the top of it

It's 8 pins

[gloomy tinsel]

power

[flint bobcat]

Do I plug it with this?

[gloomy tinsel]

yes

[flint bobcat]

Uh which way

[gloomy tinsel]

It can only go in one way

so if it doesn't work one way, do the other

[flint bobcat]

Ok

I can't plug it the 2 pins

[gloomy tinsel]

Then ur doing it wrong

[flint bobcat]

Ohh

I got it now

I'm suppose to plug in 2 pin first

[severe falcon]

no you need to combine the 6 and 2 into one and then plug it in

[flint bobcat]

it worked fine like that

[gloomy tinsel]

It doesn't really matter as long as it's secure

[flint bobcat]

Well they are combined I supposed

[flint bobcat]

Says no DP detected

Everything is plugged in

Yo wtf

I can't get any signal either from hdmi

@stone wave

[stone wave]

reseat the card?

[subtle hawk]

it's dead

[flint bobcat]

How would I unplug it safely

From the mobo

[subtle hawk]

just yank it out

after pushing down the PCIe latch

[flint bobcat]

Ok I took it out

[severe falcon]

"just yank it out" yama one day someones not gonna read the part under that and bad things will happen

[flint bobcat]

Oh

Now it works

What even

[severe falcon]

listen, computers are made with exact science, but they WORK with magic

if you question how its working, it will cease to work

[gloomy tinsel]

Probably just not seated right then

[subtle hawk]

yeah

also why micro atx motherboard inside mid tower case

[severe falcon]

i got a micro in a doublewide microcube

no idea how it isnt on fire 24/7

[subtle hawk]

lol

I got micro in mini tower as it should be

but the gpu's fans are very close to the solid bottom of the case

right now it only needs a help from case fans

[severe falcon]

i have 7 case fans

[gloomy tinsel]

I have 2 case fans

[severe falcon]

My wifi adapter literally gets too hot to even function, so i have to have a fan pointed at it

[gloomy tinsel]

Lame

[gloomy tinsel]

When small Navi comes out, I'll probably upgrade to that

[subtle hawk]

so I tried my disk imaging over the network setup

it actually worked 👀

now I can backup or restore my laptop's ssd without removing and installing it on my pc

why wouldn't it work

yeah

also ethernet transfer is so fast

at my high school I did a massive upgrade to their setup back when I was finishing college

instead of having each pc use a clunky harddrive and boot every time from it

I instead made a network image that they booted off of

and using the local disk for storage

ah so PXE?

ye

since the image was reset at each restart

I didn't need to worry about persistence

maybe I could set that up too so I don't have to apply linux live cd on my usb storage

PxE is only useful if you have multiple devices to boot off at once

[subtle hawk]

ah

[severe falcon]

they USED to do that at my uni, but now they save whatever stuff you have, but only on the same physical computer, not your account

[subtle hawk]

hey fire

[severe falcon]

hello

[violet nexus]

is cat5 cable capable of 1G ?

[gloomy tinsel]

cat5e is

cat5 is, too

Most cat5 cables you find are cat5e