technology

[umbral onyx]

hmm

Wow

that's err

something I doubt I can help with

3d interpolation

[severe falcon]

bruh my math major friend cant even help me

[umbral onyx]

can't you unwrap then interpolate?

[severe falcon]

this is what happens when i DONT interpolate

[umbral onyx]

What I mean is, unwrap, interpolate then seam and smoothen

well, you only need to mess around with the edges

[severe falcon]

ok lets go with the edge idea then

how would you make the edges seam together?

[umbral onyx]

It's not really seam

you just treat that the bottom of the map is connected to the top of the map

then you adjust the values accordingly

so it's like having 2 pointers facing to the same 2d array map

but you are comparing in a way that
pointerA[top][x] = pointerB[bottom][x]

[umbral onyx]

This means you also have to ensure that any form of propogation or smoothing loops around the texture

[severe falcon]

so you can see the 4x4 pixels right?

[umbral onyx]

yeap

[subtle hawk]

why is this looks like realistico minecraft texture pack

[umbral onyx]

Is that after you seam it?

[severe falcon]

no thats just the non interpolated one so we can see it better

[umbral onyx]

oh

[subtle hawk]

also @severe falcon bilinear/bicubic only does it per axis

[severe falcon]

well you are kinda correct

[subtle hawk]

so this mean you can repeat it along the dimension count

like linear mapping

[umbral onyx]

we could repeat the process 6 times since it's a cube we're talking about

[severe falcon]

3*

[subtle hawk]

3 times actually

[umbral onyx]

oh right

fuck the axis

[severe falcon]

lets just go ahead and make a 6D hypercube

[umbral onyx]

you could do that too

What happens when you do that?

Was it too slow?

[subtle hawk]

fuck linear algebra in general

[umbral onyx]

or the edges doesn't interpolate

[severe falcon]

i mean i need a function to do linear interpolation first

[subtle hawk]

but at least I see the use of it more than calculus though 🤔

[umbral onyx]

linear algebra is good once you found a shorcut

[subtle hawk]

yeah

[severe falcon]

the problem is that its either ONLY for 2D images or its not meant for resizing

ok so what if i take the noise

and then pseudo wrap the edges

[umbral onyx]

That's fine

[subtle hawk]

also hm you wanted tileable noise?

why don't just wrap around the coordinates with modulo

if you are going to shape it anyway

[umbral onyx]

FUG

I found something interesting

https://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/23625/how-do-you-generate-tileable-perlin-noise

He made the wrap from the noise

WTF

[severe falcon]

this is what im thinking

also you know this thing i posted earlier?

thats using the code from that page

[umbral onyx]

oh

ohhhhh

[severe falcon]

though now im wondering

am gonna do a 2048x2048 image of both and see what they do

ok now i wish i made the percentage bars

[umbral onyx]

But that pseudo wrap feels weird

why are you just copying the values

wouldn't there be a weird transition

00 -> 30 doesn't sound smooth

[severe falcon]

well yeah if i do that AFTER i made the noise

but since the noise is made in passes, what if i make the noise just do that?

[umbral onyx]

[severe falcon]

alright im gonna kill it and then add percentage counters

[umbral onyx]

You don't even need me

I'm a failure desu

Hello world

Goodbye

[severe falcon]

we havent even seen if what im talking about is possible

[umbral onyx]

I wish I was full engine degree

So like

my programming is advance but not expert

those in the engine portion

phew

They are god programmers

[severe falcon]

god tier programmers dont know how to have fun though

[umbral onyx]

They were talking about game engines to networking to os thing

[severe falcon]

they are the ones that think they are bound by euclidean distance in games

[umbral onyx]

OS

WTF

[severe falcon]

OS?

[umbral onyx]

Operating Systems

the inside outs

[severe falcon]

every program in existance gets converted to OS specific instructions

[umbral onyx]

not basic kernel shit

like attempting to build a simple one

[severe falcon]

thats called mess around on a rpi

you dont even need to know assembly, Windows was made with C

[umbral onyx]

Windows is a totally different matter

Wait

what was linux and mac made with

[severe falcon]

windows is an OS

probably also C

[umbral onyx]

is that allowed for mac?

[severe falcon]

what do you mean?

[umbral onyx]

They are like, O MY SUPERIOR CODES

[severe falcon]

but a programming language is just translated to assembly so its all the same anyway

[umbral onyx]

Wth is swift?

[severe falcon]

like python gets turned into C++(or C not sure) and then that gets turned into assembly

[umbral onyx]

I never heard of that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_(programming_language)

oh right

since we're talking about language

someone came to my school to talk about kotlin I think

or was it go

It's from google

I'm not sure if I should try those or will it die

I wouldn't mind if my codes are shorten like this

But I'm the type of person who prefers to see what the hell I am doing.

I had bad experience with lua

Lua doesn't require you to even type the container though

But it's a major pain in the ass and the binding is just annoying

[subtle hawk]

that looks very kotlin biased

[umbral onyx]

Ikr?

It includes the comments

in reality it's just
struct Person { String name; };

or in c
struct Person { char* name; };

[severe falcon]

i dont remember my java code looking that awful tho

i certainly didnt use this.name when i could literally just use name cuz i didnt name my input vars the same as my class vars

[umbral onyx]

wait he used this.name?

[severe falcon]

look up there in the class part

[umbral onyx]

Can java have initializers?

[severe falcon]

yeah

[umbral onyx]

Like

Person(string n) : Name(n){ }?

[severe falcon]

i dont think its that syntax but im pretty sure

ALSO I HAVE RESULTS

[umbral onyx]

Iforgot the syntax

[severe falcon]

scaling up the image size does not change the good terrain, but it does change perlin noise

so now i can make a scale parameter for the top one

[umbral onyx]

I wanna be anal at c#. Why can't I use curly brace for creating variables.

[severe falcon]

python hates if you mix spaces and indents

which is a problem since gedit sees \t as 4 spaces but notepad++ sees it as \t

[umbral onyx]

can python use templates?

[severe falcon]

whats a template?

[umbral onyx]

oh

uhh

First of all, fix your note pad preference

[severe falcon]

its acutally just a problem with switching from work comp/desktop to rpi

[umbral onyx]

Second template is

But if you don't get it

it's like

Animal<typename X>

and you create it with Animal<Dog>

or Animal <Cat>

[severe falcon]

no because it seems the fact that python doesnt compile means people have had to write third party engines to do them

[umbral onyx]

All of the variables are class name

oh

[severe falcon]

also the time complexity of my noise is apparently mor complex than i thought

[umbral onyx]

You might want to take note of this if your work is suddenly anal on c and c++

[severe falcon]

bruh my work has nothing to do with coding

[umbral onyx]

WHY

WHY WASTE YOUR INTEREST

[severe falcon]

cuz im still in college

[umbral onyx]

oh

yeah

[severe falcon]

i get paid $14/hr to headpat my scanner and shuffle papers around

the only reason im on discord at work is cuz i can multitask good

[umbral onyx]

I want to be an indie game developeeeeerrrr

But I lack music and my art is just ok

[severe falcon]

thats gonna be my hobby

#461381136661217283 has fully developed the idea i had for my first stupid game

F2P battle royale where you are anime girls fighting over senpai

[umbral onyx]

But is there nipples

[severe falcon]

depleted uranium chastity belts?

no nips but there will be strike witches mode where none of them wear pants

i can now successfully scale my noise

so i can make a massive one and scale it

oh this is awful

4096x4096 is torture

surprisingly the most intensive part is setting the pixel values

guess who accidently put the ending thing inside the loop

@umbral onyx

so 255 seconds for the 4096x4096 and look at its majesty

all 2.8 MB of it

[umbral onyx]

[subtle hawk]

@umbral onyx python is typeless language so it's kind of pointless to do templates

[severe falcon]

making this noise tile is an NP-Impossible problem

[subtle hawk]

@umbral onyx kotlin is made by jetbrains (the same company who made intellij idea) and go is made by google

[severe falcon]

javascript was made in 10 days and has nothing to do with java and its awful for web stuff

its the only time ive seen a program do:
x = afunction(stuff);
print(x);
and it printed null because it ran the print line before the function returned

[subtle hawk]

reminds me of that post where let gives you nondeterministic results

while var is always set to default value

[umbral onyx]

GO GAME TALK

GO FORUM

RELEASE YOUR DISCOVERY

btw

2.8 mb

ehhh

can't you save more space

[severe falcon]

I mean its still a full color png, sp yes

But i need it to tile

So im gonna mess around with the pseudo wrap thing

[subtle hawk]

[severe falcon]

@subtle hawk you saw nothing of our 4D hypercubes and trilinear interpolation

[severe falcon]

so i got it working, and it tiles because all of them are islands now, and its making the ocean and rivers correctly, so now i just need to add the moisture map and then BOOM

[subtle hawk]

wao

[trail yarrow]

Hey team! After some tech advice here lol

Which tablet would be good for AL and maybe other gaming/Netflix?

I'm torn between iPad mini or maybe Android tablet.

[subtle hawk]

shouldn't just about any tablet made in the past 3 years or so work for that?

[trail yarrow]

Only thing stopping me from Android

is overheating and lagging

[subtle hawk]

my phone doesn't heat up that much though

[trail yarrow]

Mine goes 1000°C

[subtle hawk]

doubt

it would boil ur hand away

[trail yarrow]

I just want a device that doesn't lag so much

[subtle hawk]

get a flagship tablet

[wise oak]

kek https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/linux-cryptominer-uses-virtual-machines-to-attack-windows-macos/

[trail yarrow]

[shadow valley]

is there any probable reason why my internet is so shite, pc wise?

[subtle hawk]

wdym

[shadow valley]

this isnt my regular speed

even raining

[subtle hawk]

could be that the mirror used by the installer is shte

[shadow valley]

it's just an example

but everything is so slow

[subtle hawk]

could be shit modem/router

broken cable

wifi if ur on it

[shadow valley]

got that fixed, wire and router

connected by wire atm

[subtle hawk]

try to run a diagnosis of the connection

[shadow valley]

cant identify

hmm guess ill try isp

[severe falcon]

yo algorithm peeps

how do i get rid of the tiny lines?

[subtle hawk]

filter

maybe

I'm not sure too

[umbral onyx]

@severe falcon I hate arrays

Inflexible

Annoying to handle especially when you need it for memory management

[carmine raven]

hey lads

can someone help me pick an ssd

i literally havent read up on anything on months so idk what to get

i'd like an ~1tb ssd that i can carry into my next (few?) rigs without it dying on me while being quick

[subtle hawk]

it's really cheap now

but I don't know, for stability standpoint and lots of capacity I still prefer hdd

[carmine raven]

well yeah

but like

i have a 575gb ssd..

thats full..

i have a 60gb ssd .. thats full

i have a 2tb hdd.. thats full

lol

[subtle hawk]

is it going to be internal or external

[carmine raven]

internal

[subtle hawk]

ah

[carmine raven]

people do external ssds?

[subtle hawk]

if you have spare 3.5" slot then go for the 12tb

[carmine raven]

waste of money tbh

[subtle hawk]

bullshit

[carmine raven]

why not 16tb

[subtle hawk]

if u want dense storage

go for 12TB

[carmine raven]

i'm no poweruser

my server runs off 500gb hdds, stacks of them

my pc needs more storage

lol

[subtle hawk]

and

what stops you from putting a 12 TB drive in ur system?

yeah

[carmine raven]

the fact that by the time all 12tb is full it's either extremely slow or broken already

[subtle hawk]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#A=6000000000000,15360000000000 hm they get expensive quick at around 10tb

doubtful

I've had my 600 TB array of 12 TB drives for a while now

so far none failed

outside of the ones with factory defects that I had to RMA

[carmine raven]

i mean like

my secondary pc has a 1tb wd from uh 2009

[subtle hawk]

HDDs are tough sons of guns

[carmine raven]

40k hours, still running like it rolled out the factory

[subtle hawk]

as for SSDs

so yeah go as much as your budget allows

I usually don't fill them ever

and I only have Samsung and Intel SSDs

and ssd slows down the more it's filled up

if you consider optane a SSD

I consider it as much as my old laptop's 8gb ssd

only for cache purposes

yet I managed to install linux on it

[carmine raven]

the cheapest 12tb here is 367

euros

which is 415 dollars

[subtle hawk]

still waiting for amd to support or make an equivalent of optane

they won't

ever

[carmine raven]

so uh

appearantly

[subtle hawk]

it's not what they're interested in

[carmine raven]

the cheapest 1tb ssd here is.. actually a nvme drive

kek

[subtle hawk]

well duuh

nobody makes M.2 1TB SSDs that are not NVMe

lol

yeah I figured out why

[umbral onyx]

In a rythm minimage.
Is is more logically correct to move a bar from one side of the screen to the other using positions and time rather than velocity?
Since screen size is dynamic

[carmine raven]

western digital would like to know your location

oh wait those only go to 512

[subtle hawk]

you use relative position

[carmine raven]

i was more on about how the cheapest ssd period is a nvme drive

[umbral onyx]

Or would it be better to give a fix size gameplay area and use the collider and velocity since that predicts the position of the bar before hand.

[carmine raven]

like not even a qlc or tlc normal ssd

[subtle hawk]

which correct itself on aspect ratio

[carmine raven]

oh great

my ssd already has 13tb writes

[subtle hawk]

https://hackerman.cybersnets.com/q2fr6.png

that's just half a year

[umbral onyx]

Or even weirder, let each bar have a certain amount of time to reach a goal and - dt from it. Then you calculate the time left and translate it's position on the screen accordingly, that way you can calculate when the bar is close to the trigger.

For dynamic screen size

[carmine raven]

appearantly its 1tb more according to crucial

weird how 2 different programs say 2 different things

[umbral onyx]

but the speed differs according to the size of the screeb desu, Letting the player change speed for a minigame is weird

Maybe I should just make a fix adpect ratio

[subtle hawk]

no

it ultimately differs according to your eyes

[umbral onyx]

So I should allow them to control speed afterall?

[subtle hawk]

also you'll trigger 4:3 and ultrawide people if you do fixed aspect ratio

[umbral onyx]

oh

[subtle hawk]

do what I do

create a circle that spans to the minor axis

[umbral onyx]

that's usually the Y

oh

[subtle hawk]

note its radius as 1.0

[umbral onyx]

then?

[subtle hawk]

and base your game's scale on that value

so yeah basically that

unless you want to make everyone have the same visible area then do what AL did in-game

[umbral onyx]

no wait what

Make a circle

and basically that's it

??!

[carmine raven]

i was wondering why my phone didnt properly support AL

[umbral onyx]

Oh

I get it

[subtle hawk]

it's dynamic spanning I think

my java game did it

[umbral onyx]

You meant to change the viewport with the circle

circle is misleading af.

[subtle hawk]

I know

https://github.com/Pigu-A/rTHRU/blob/master/src/util/SquareBound.java

it's just the best way to describe the minor span

[umbral onyx]

hmm

[subtle hawk]

because sometimes you have portrait setting where width is less than height

[umbral onyx]

I can't show my progress here

Hmmmm

lemme dm

nvm, can't find the recording

can't build either

fuuuu

[severe falcon]

tfw you add something to your program but you madde sure it doesnt change anything and now your program doesnt work the way it was before

[subtle hawk]

man, after I know how to write Kotlin now I feel like Java has lots of bloat in the syntax

[severe falcon]

i hate myself

[umbral onyx]

Pls desu

that's the best mistake to get

for a time waster

[carmine raven]

oh also

[umbral onyx]

GET WASTED

[carmine raven]

whoever said they dont make mlc 1tbs anymore

[severe falcon]

i got wasted by 30 mins

[carmine raven]

i just found a whole slew of them

[subtle hawk]

also a = a + 1 instead of a += 1

this is not Lua you know

[umbral onyx]

nu

++a;

[severe falcon]

++ doesnt work in python

[umbral onyx]

python sux

[subtle hawk]

[umbral onyx]

oh yeah

damn lua

can't handle those

[subtle hawk]

and yeah I did like C

where I can while (i--)

[umbral onyx]

I was force to make a game with a team using a custom engine made and improved for 1 year

So like, the lua doesn't have proper debugging tools

[subtle hawk]

also base 5.1 is VERY limited

[umbral onyx]

so I usually ended up cutting the code function by function to locate an error

Binding a shit too

[subtle hawk]

oh boy this reminds me of the last demo I wrote

trace() everywhere

I want breakpoints and steps dammit

(and yeah it's in Lua)

[umbral onyx]

But my programmers are very good at their jobs

Just that... wished they focus on improving the lua debug portion

and serializing of data inputted in the game

[subtle hawk]

I see

I feel like Lua is popular just because it's very easy to embed and write

[umbral onyx]

Here's the thing, any variables added to an object in the game editor with the exclusion of the transformation and graphics is temporary

So I had to set the default values of custom components at the beginning of each script

Imagine having 20 of the objects using the same component

[subtle hawk]

oh

hm speaking of my last demo, have you seen it yet

[umbral onyx]

I have to type if owner.name == "xxx" then... end 20 times

no

[severe falcon]

so i have original here

[subtle hawk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZrpDHUPR2o

[severe falcon]

if i remove rivers smaller than length 2

[umbral onyx]

Is that black spot a hill?

[severe falcon]

WHY DID IT GAIN RIV- oh wait

[subtle hawk]

the best thing about this engine is that it doesn't have interrupts at all and anything that execute longer than a frame will lag the entire thing

[severe falcon]

im taking the sqrt of the values so the colors would be brighter

[subtle hawk]

so yeah I have to abuse coroutines

[severe falcon]

AHA

IT WORKS

[umbral onyx]

Fire

make it colour White

[severe falcon]

this is length 3

NOW

[umbral onyx]

where are the ocean?

[severe falcon]

if i raise local mins by 1 and lower local maxes by 1, then i should get just long rivers

this is terrain

height is brightness, im thinkin 64 is water hegiht

[umbral onyx]

personally, I think it would be interesting to have a planet filled with water

[subtle hawk]

64 is water height
is this minecraft

[umbral onyx]

[severe falcon]

red is local maxes, blue is local mins, so raising/lowering should make some of them die

[umbral onyx]

What's the max height?

100?

[severe falcon]

255

[umbral onyx]

oh

SO LOWW

[severe falcon]

technically 256 if you count layer 0 as 1

[umbral onyx]

Eh

[severe falcon]

yeah but this is just the gradient levels of the height, i can make ti whatever once its in the game engine

[umbral onyx]

Could you figure out an algorithm for waterfall

[severe falcon]

i mean that would just be if it managed to make a cliff

itll automatically find those

[umbral onyx]

a local minima at a cliff?

[severe falcon]

no the river algorithm

it just goes where the steepest slope down is

going off the cliff is the steepest slope

[subtle hawk]

max height is 255

is this minecraft

[severe falcon]

i mean minecraft had some good ideas

[umbral onyx]

So your terrain can have cliffs too?

[subtle hawk]

yeah

[umbral onyx]

enjoy doing the shader.

[subtle hawk]

exactly 64k blocks chunk

[severe falcon]

if the terrain randomly makes a cliff then yes, but no overhangs or caves

[umbral onyx]

Cause it's a height map right?

[subtle hawk]

(16x256x16)

[umbral onyx]

I don't really know how to handle shadders for height map

[severe falcon]

what do you mean shaders?

[umbral onyx]

Ah, I'm a unity user

Your texture will stretch

[subtle hawk]

oh, you mean bump maps

[subtle hawk]

I think it nudges the reference vertices per drawn pixel

[umbral onyx]

so if a height is at 255 and the tile beside it is 1 there will be a really ugly texture stretch.

but I don't know how to handle that

had to refer to store

[severe falcon]

cant stretch if there are no changes in texture

[umbral onyx]

[subtle hawk]

hm who is this bucky

[severe falcon]

ibuki

[subtle hawk]

ah lol

[umbral onyx]

fake bucky

[subtle hawk]

[severe falcon]

but if i can generate the UV textures myself, i think i can just make it stretched on the texture itself so it will be uniform on the terrrain

[subtle hawk]

still shader is an interesting thing

[severe falcon]

oh shaders will be fun, cuz im gonna make it cel shade and outlines

[subtle hawk]

it makes even 4k pc demos looks very impressive

[severe falcon]

and then ill make the lighting POP

[subtle hawk]

while crushing the gpu in the process

[severe falcon]

not if i keep the textures and models simple enough

i mean breath of the wild didnt crash switches

[subtle hawk]

yeah right

[severe falcon]

plus colored cel shaded lighting sounds fun

[subtle hawk]

these days we have gpu to do very repetitive and parallel computation

[severe falcon]

and my models are probably gonna be very low res compared to most modern game, but imma hit those normal maps

plus with the way the terrain generates, itll automatically create its own lower res versions for long distance rendering

[subtle hawk]

ah, mipmapping

[severe falcon]

nope, the way the noise is made just relies on using that in reverse

[subtle hawk]

I remember crashing my gpu when I turned that off

[severe falcon]

it makes a low res version, then makes higher res adjustments until the final thing

[subtle hawk]

hm

[severe falcon]

and then all those make this

actually i think i can make it show the finals of all of those

that 1, 4, and the final of 6

[umbral onyx]

Say fire

What game did you want to make with that?

A sort of adventure? Resource management?

Conquest?

[severe falcon]

i mean in short: basically skyrim

[umbral onyx]

Terrains that differs like that will be hard to make a game that ensures the player plays correctly

[severe falcon]

what do you mean?

[umbral onyx]

A game essentially is a smart design to make the player feel entertained

Having an adventure on a randomly genererated terrain is extremely different from exploration

[severe falcon]

hold on i gotta drive to school, ill be back in 20 mins and we can discuss

[umbral onyx]

What I'm trying to say is designing an adventure on an openly randomized terrain is difficult. I could see stuff like find an xxx thing or hunt xxx thing quest.

[carmine raven]

m.2 ssds are fine for gaming right? dont really need to worry about it breaking that much?

[umbral onyx]

However, the goal is to make the game interesting to play. There's an issue where people thought that they need to design less with randomly generated content.

But it's the complete opposite

You need to game design more.

For example, the progression of the adventure, how to elevate the terrain just right for the towns

Rogue likes are different though

this is open world

minecraft's main purpose is exploration

not adventure

adventure have a determined start and end point. Exploration is flexible on those.

But for rogue like it's nice

cause the city and the dungeon is seperated

So you could split the events fairly

and code when to give the player a sense of progression

[subtle hawk]

yeah

rougelike is basically you place the generation within progression

while adventure does the opposite

@undone torrent

[severe falcon]

@umbral onyx at school now

you mere mortals assume im not gonna randomly generate EVERYTHING

[subtle hawk]

lol

[severe falcon]

im planning on making roads by using the river algorithm, but then making it go to the pixel closest in height

[subtle hawk]

nice

also try smoothing it too

[severe falcon]

smoothing?

you mean making the roads flat?

[subtle hawk]

yeah

[umbral onyx]

D-dun random gen everything

FAKKYU

FAAAAAKYUUU

GAME DESIG

[severe falcon]

bruh i have to design the algorithm to make it do that though

[umbral onyx]

Please game design

[subtle hawk]

which can be done by easy filters like moving average

[umbral onyx]

don't random gen all

[severe falcon]

but imagine skyrim except you can regenerate the entire world

[umbral onyx]

but you must control the game

[severe falcon]

you wont always see those 2 wolves on the road to riverwood

[umbral onyx]

[severe falcon]

there might not even be a riverwood

[subtle hawk]

u think game design is aids

[umbral onyx]

Those are fine but please

[severe falcon]

hes a game designer

[umbral onyx]

Control

[subtle hawk]

till you have to make an OS by yourself

[umbral onyx]

[severe falcon]

what do you mean by control?

[umbral onyx]

dun ran gen all

[severe falcon]

what shouldnt i random then?

[subtle hawk]

obligatory

[umbral onyx]

Confirmed places

confirmed npcs

[severe falcon]

why not make those random?

[umbral onyx]

The placement of each nodes

So you can do progression

[subtle hawk]

I think what he meant is that at least give a route for game progression

[severe falcon]

why should you always either have to go with hadvar or ralof? what if they both get random genned and then they ahve family of some sort in a town near the one you almost died at

[subtle hawk]

like how minecraft has advancements

[severe falcon]

oh yeah there will be progression

[umbral onyx]

And how does it work?

[severe falcon]

in fact thats about the MOST random part of skyrim

i mean i havent fully figured it out yet

[umbral onyx]

[severe falcon]

i just know there will be like 5 races, 6 kingdoms? nations? factions? idk but 6 of them, continents, technologies, etc

[umbral onyx]

what's the art style you're aiming for?

[severe falcon]

i mean its not gonna be realistic

[subtle hawk]

when in doubt, pixel art

[severe falcon]

oh no its full 3d game

[umbral onyx]

Whut's this?!

[subtle hawk]

hm maybe low-poly then

[umbral onyx]

Are you 2.5dist?!

[subtle hawk]

and yeah that

billborading 2d sprites

[severe falcon]

its gonna have to be low poly cuz theres gonna be backface outlines and ALOT of npcs

[umbral onyx]

you uhh

[severe falcon]

but the normal maps will hide that

[umbral onyx]

don't really need to worry about poly count like that

[subtle hawk]

yeah, it's not 90s

[umbral onyx]

There's plenty of optimization method

[severe falcon]

i do if i want 200 npcs on screen all of them having clothing and backface outlines for everything

[subtle hawk]

that sounds like something you shouldn't do in python

[severe falcon]

its gonna be in unreal engine

[subtle hawk]

ah

[umbral onyx]

The main character can remain high poly, and it's not like you will see all 200 as 3d models without lod.

[severe falcon]

python is only for making the heightmap and the masks so that unreal can make the actual terrain

[subtle hawk]

oh yeah I forgot the term lod

[severe falcon]

but its gonna be the same model for all chars

[subtle hawk]

are you going to randomize assets too

[severe falcon]

but race and gender will have diff models

im gonna make very modular clothing so that i can give them random stuff that will look good

[umbral onyx]

How many people are helping you

[severe falcon]

0

[umbral onyx]

[severe falcon]

i mean other than tutorials

[umbral onyx]

It's unheard of

a solo of this scale

you can try

[severe falcon]

aha but its like the fireworks analogy though

yeah its a big task to draw a frieworks show, but an algorith that makes one firework can be run 50 times

[umbral onyx]

Can you 3d model?

[severe falcon]

kindof?

[umbral onyx]

Can you rig

[severe falcon]

i need a guide from kine though

havent tried rigging yet

[umbral onyx]

Can you animate

[severe falcon]

or animating

[umbral onyx]

Well, you can learn

[severe falcon]

exactly

[umbral onyx]

will it be full model or chibi

[severe falcon]

uhh kinda inbetween?

[umbral onyx]

[severe falcon]

more like anime

basically pokemon trainers from the recent games

thats the idea

[umbral onyx]

How motivated are you?

that's the most important factor

[severe falcon]

bruh my hands shake when i come to update you with my latest step in the terrain process working

[subtle hawk]

[severe falcon]

i love this kind of coding

[umbral onyx]

I'll be rooting for you then

[subtle hawk]

I could one man a game but I'm in perpetual demotivation and anxiety

[umbral onyx]

while I make my game

And please school.

[severe falcon]

i already have a crazy amount of lore and culture for the races in my head

[umbral onyx]

PLEASE ALLOW ME TO TAKE MY GAME OUT

[subtle hawk]

everyone have their own big projects and I'm sitting here doing random stuff

[umbral onyx]

Fakkyu school project

I need to draw actually

[severe falcon]

@subtle hawk you can draw me a guide so i can make a 3d model of it

[umbral onyx]

@unborn flickerwhat you need... is a friend

a friend who is interested in making games

The power of a team is the best motivation

[severe falcon]

oh yeah that helps alot

[umbral onyx]

third before desire and money

[subtle hawk]

just do a job you love

not the job that gives you the most money

haha

[umbral onyx]

I want to be an indie game developer

[subtle hawk]

yeah with how hard to find one these days

[umbral onyx]

My assignment is to find a dream job ad

[severe falcon]

pig tho, you wanna draw me a guide? kune is too gae to actually draw it

[umbral onyx]

how

[subtle hawk]

what guide

[umbral onyx]

I'm not sure if can post my 3d model here

[subtle hawk]

hm are you under pressure of your parents or some sort?

[umbral onyx]

Have big boobs

like

really large

[severe falcon]

basically a base for a female char from the front and the side

[subtle hawk]

I see

[umbral onyx]

Lemme use you to make my game someday desu

[subtle hawk]

you can also use me

[umbral onyx]

rejected...

[subtle hawk]

lol

[umbral onyx]

You may not know this

[severe falcon]

pig its this but draw horizontal lines across and make sure everything lines up

[subtle hawk]

oh

[umbral onyx]

but I can handle (system, ui, game, story, character) design, programming, art.

[subtle hawk]

model textures you mean

[severe falcon]

every single ONE ive found has had its measures off

[umbral onyx]

Lemme tell you a trick fire

don't think

feel

[severe falcon]

but i need a guide though

[umbral onyx]

You don't need to be super accurate to the guide

[severe falcon]

so i can either use the front, or the side, as the correct one and then that cuases problems later

[umbral onyx]

you just guess what looks best

[severe falcon]

also pig can capture the fine line of anime style im looking for

[umbral onyx]

and try to make all the faces have 4 sides

[subtle hawk]

or is it just a 3d model guide?

[severe falcon]

yeah its just a guide

[subtle hawk]

lol someone actually like my art style?

👀

[severe falcon]

yeah i love it

its cute

this is why i need it though

[subtle hawk]

ah

yeah, it's like drawing

[severe falcon]

yeah but 3d

[subtle hawk]

you don't have to trace

[severe falcon]

i mean im gonna adjust it afterward but having a guide to start with makes it go by so much faster

[subtle hawk]

well, I can't give you advices on dimensional perception

[severe falcon]

yeah i dont need that kind of stuff, i literally just need a competent artist to make a guide that doesnt have horrible inconsistencies

[subtle hawk]

🤔

[severe falcon]

the best one i found had a 4 inch difference in the crotch height of the front and side

[subtle hawk]

also how are you going to do music

[severe falcon]

listen

[subtle hawk]

or just think of it later

[severe falcon]

ill figure that out when it becoes an issue

[subtle hawk]

ah lol

[severe falcon]

also i have a math major friend who loves games and owns 6 ukuleles and 3 guitars soooo

[subtle hawk]

ah yes those hear once, recognize everywhere

like Google's TTS

[umbral onyx]

be degen like me when I 3d model

[severe falcon]

oh also pig, if you DO end up making a guide for me, a hand guide would also be appreciated but i can probably find some online

[subtle hawk]

I might if I have free time

for hand guide just use your hands

[severe falcon]

i have man hands tho

[subtle hawk]

I do too

[severe falcon]

oh wait i think i still have kune's

@umbral onyx do you still need fireworks thing?

[umbral onyx]

no

you're busy with your work right?

[severe falcon]

not really

i just have to make biomes but thats 2 comparisons

will need help with actually deciding biomes though

[subtle hawk]

ah yeah minecraft's grass color map looks like that too

[severe falcon]

im making mine more like this one though

[subtle hawk]

are you going to randomize precipitation and temperature data too

[severe falcon]

well height is gonna be mostly temp

[subtle hawk]

well yeah you can influence it

[severe falcon]

i might randomize temp based on height or just use height

[subtle hawk]

height + base temp

[severe falcon]

but moisture is just another noise map

[subtle hawk]

yeah

or simulate one based on winds and water sources

[severe falcon]

well just make the random range larger if the height is lower

moisture is the x of that image and height is the y, but im gonna try to make the beaches rocky without moisture and the ocean greener with temperature

or something idk

Anyway heading back to work so ill be back in like 30 mins

[severe falcon]

Am at takao bell

Just realized the biggest obstacle is balancing the races

Seems difficult to get most players to not only pick the one that can fly and equally difficult to get anyone to pick the one that can only breathe water

[stable sonnet]

Takao bell

[subtle hawk]

Ataco bell

[trail yarrow]

I'm still torn between iPad mini 4 or 5 for AL and other weeb shits

Flagship tablets are so expenny

[flint bobcat]

Don't use apple

Problem solved

Well if you want flagship devices, go for like the new note, or S10

Or Razer phone 2 like mine. Runs smoothly

[subtle hawk]

@flint bobcat get out with ur smartphones

u don't know the glory of tablets

[flint bobcat]

Tell me the glory then

[stone wave]

I feel like the iPad Mini is better than most similarly priced Android tablets.

[trail yarrow]

Phone I always used Android, but mine started lagging when playing at 60FPS. just don't want tablet device that's slower than Laggy's speed of understanding what's going on at degeneral

Like it lags for few sec and you got hit by like 10 boss Torps and your vanguard ded.

iPad Mini 4 is lot cheaper now as retailers are trying to get rid of it, but I don't have enough info from AL users about it. iPad Mini 5 is still a bit expenny

[stone wave]

The iPad Mini 4 has the same SoC as the iPhone 6/Plus so it will more or less run the same as the iPhone 6 I believe.

The iPad Mini 2019 (5) has the same SoC as the iPhone XS/Max and XR.

The iPad Mini 4 has 2GB or RAM and the iPad Mini 2019 3GB.

IDK what that translates to in terms of performance in AL though.

If you want to just throw money at the problem there's the 10.5-inch Samsung Galaxy Tab S5e, the 128GB model has 6GB of RAM (the lower one has 4GB). The S5e sports a Snapdragon 670 and a 2560x1600 Super AMOLED display and a microSD card slot.

So it's a similar resolution as the iPad Mini 2019 but on a larger display so less PPI. But IMO still a good pixel density.

Though you're looking at $430 USD off of Amazon.com for the 128GB variant of the S5e which is more than any iPad Mini.

[flint bobcat]

but is it durable

go check jerryrigeverything

scratches on a level 6 with deeper grooves on a level 7

[stone wave]

Aria watch him test the... what was it called. Nextbit Robin

I didn't know you could make a phone out of paper plates lmao.

[flint bobcat]

@stone wave new video of his?

[stone wave]

nah its 2016

[flint bobcat]

o

ok, ill find it

after study

[stone wave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU6Tv-OfXk0

[trail yarrow]

JerryScratchesEverything

[flint bobcat]

best product reviewer

or most funny

[trail yarrow]

@stone wave thanks for that. I already threw my money at gems so probably can go like iPad mini lmao

[stone wave]

Mmm hmm

personally I'd pass on the iPad Mini 4

[trail yarrow]

[stone wave]

and save towards the newer one

unless the price difference is too much

[trail yarrow]

Mm. Apple had big scandal about slowing down old ones too so yeah

[stone wave]

if the Amazon Fire HD devices ran AL well enough I'd just say get one of those.

But they lag when too much shit is going on.

I had AL sideloaded on a Fire HD 8 and Fire HD 10 and neither ran smooth enough for me to recommend unless all you do is auto.

[trail yarrow]

Mini 4 32GB is like 370 USD and Mini 5 is $447 USD in my currency

[flint bobcat]

apple's customer service is also shit

[trail yarrow]

I can't auto Jintsuu farm

[flint bobcat]

iphone's XS's glass back replacement is $599

[stone wave]

damn

[trail yarrow]

[stone wave]

how bad is the S5e?

[flint bobcat]

S5e?

[stone wave]

it's samsung's higher end tablet

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-128GB-Tablet-Black/dp/B07Q84QZSJ

[flint bobcat]

ah, well don't know much about tablets

well its memory is alright

6/8GB

its processor is kind of slow though

[stone wave]

which one?

[flint bobcat]

Processor: Qualcomm Snapdragon 670 Octa-core processor (2×2.0 GHz & 6×1.7 GHz)

[stone wave]

the S5e is 4/6GB

[trail yarrow]

480 USD

[flint bobcat]

yeah not bad of a price

i'd rather buy it instead of an apple one

[stone wave]

SD 670 is what they got on the Pixel 3a/XL

[flint bobcat]

7,040mAh, Fast Charging, 14.5 hours video playback

[stone wave]

Hmmm... if you also need a phone just get a Pixel 3a XL Sparky lol

[flint bobcat]

thats a big ass battery

[stone wave]

it's a 10-inch device, it better last lol

[flint bobcat]

if u want to spend $100 more, get s razer phone 2

its $499 right now

[stone wave]

But Sparky isn't in the US

so it's probably closer to $580 or so

[flint bobcat]

@trail yarrow what country u in

[stone wave]

at this rate we're going be like just get this Ryzen 9 PC with a RTX 2080ti and 64GB of RAM

[flint bobcat]

[stone wave]

cause we keep recommending shit that's slowly more expensive than the last thing

[trail yarrow]

@flint bobcat somewhere over the rainbow~~~

[flint bobcat]

[trail yarrow]

I use Nokia 7 plus. It's been doing ok

[flint bobcat]

also use the code WIRELESS for their free chroma wireless charger

when buying the phone

[trail yarrow]

I'm in Hobbit town

New Zealand

[stone wave]

🥝

[trail yarrow]

Things are so expensive here

[stone wave]

oh shit there is a kiwi emote

[trail yarrow]

Lol

[flint bobcat]

they dont even sell it there

[stone wave]

eBay that shit?

[trail yarrow]

Yeah so mostly I end up importing things here because local market is pretty bad

[flint bobcat]

yeah ebay sells it of course

[stone wave]

bank on that international shipping

(and wait 3 weeks)

[flint bobcat]

https://www.ebay.com/p/Razer-Phone-2-64GB-Mirror-Black-Unlocked/3024736672

[trail yarrow]

[flint bobcat]

[trail yarrow]

https://www.noelleeming.co.nz/shop/computers-tablets/tablets/android-tablets/samsung-sm-t720nzsaxnz-galaxy-tab-s5e-wifi-silver/prod180449.html

Nzd is sooooo weak

[flint bobcat]

expensive

[stone wave]

oof

[flint bobcat]

just give me money, ill buy it, and ship it to you

[trail yarrow]

Minimum wage rise, dollar decrease

Inflation

[stone wave]

cost of living yo

[flint bobcat]

shipping overseas to other countries is a pain

cost of living here is horrible

[trail yarrow]

[flint bobcat]

$400k for a house

[stone wave]

where im at you need to make like $65 an hour to afford a 2 bedroom apartment

[flint bobcat]

like a normale one

mith what

[stone wave]

San Francisco

[flint bobcat]

o

san fran is expensive

well L.A. is most expensive

[stone wave]

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/06/20/housing-wage-61-san-francisco-54-san-jose-nlihc/

[flint bobcat]

ima just go to washington

[stone wave]

and live with Synd?

oh wait no yall mods live in a basement

[flint bobcat]

my cousins there bought land on a mountain and built their houses with the trees provided

and its really cheap

[trail yarrow]

Rip

[flint bobcat]

california is so expensive, i dont want to live here anymore

[trail yarrow]

Yeah it's expensive here too. We just can't keep up with latest tech unless you are like top 2%

[stone wave]

ill probably fuck off to SoCal

at some point

[trail yarrow]

$160 for apple pencil

They'd make a killing here with all the adapter and shites

[flint bobcat]

imagine buying a pencil for $100+

[stone wave]

order the knockoffs from China and get fire insurance

[trail yarrow]

Sacramento

[flint bobcat]

2013 apple: "who needs a stylus anyway"
2018: "we are now introducing a revolutionary apple pencil"

[trail yarrow]

Apple fanboi: cheers

[flint bobcat]

or wait, was it 2006

[trail yarrow]

Yeah when Jobs trashed idea of stylus

[flint bobcat]

i like the presentations of the older tech that jobs introduced

[trail yarrow]

Ye it was a lot more innovative

[flint bobcat]

i remember the first time i ever put on earbuds LOL

[trail yarrow]

[flint bobcat]

"what is this sorcery"

[trail yarrow]

I remember when I got my first flip phone

[flint bobcat]

i got my first flip phone when i was in HS

[trail yarrow]

When Motorola was still alive

[flint bobcat]

i got a blackberry

my friend on mine was messaging me, and i was trying to chat to them back. they were like "why are you writing so slow"

[stone wave]

My first cellphone was the Ericsson T28.

[flint bobcat]

looks like a walkie talkie

[stone wave]

Then I got the Nokia that everyone friggin had.

Then the Sony Ericsson S710 and then a Motorola Razr.

And my first smartphone was the T-Mobile G1 (HTC Dream) back in08

[flint bobcat]

my whole career: blackberry -> iphone 4 -> iphone 4s -> iphone 5 -> iphone 6s -> razer phone 2

started in HS

[stone wave]

or rather someone stole my Moto Razr and I had to find a phone quick

so I ended up with the giant ass S710

[flint bobcat]

rip

someone trying to steal something from you?

throw your nokia

[stone wave]

that was when I was in HS

[flint bobcat]

iphone 4s battery was shit

mine was defective so it died in 20-30 minutes

[stone wave]

wow

[flint bobcat]

it took like an hour to turn on

[stone wave]

My smartphones went something like
T-Mobile G1 (2008)
Motorola Droid X (2010)
Samsung Galaxy S3 (2012)
Samsung Galaxy Note 4 (2014)
OnePlus 3 (2016)
Samsung Galaxy S9+ (2018)
Samsung Galaxy S10+ (2019)

So I had replaceable batteries and microSD card slots in my shit until 2016.

[flint bobcat]

long time android fan i see

[stone wave]

yeah considering the G1 was legit the first Android phone in the US lol

When someone asks for help on an iPhone that shit is like a foreign language to me.

They might as well hand me a Palm Pilot

[flint bobcat]

well now i know how to use both android and iphone

android is surprisingly fun to tinker with

[stone wave]

I never got any iPhones early on cause that shit required iTunes to sync music and I hated that shit when I still had an iPod.

[flint bobcat]

you also need to mandatory enable icloud

shit is annoying

[stone wave]

I use Spotify nowadays but I still don't see my self switching to an Apple phone.

[flint bobcat]

yeah... apple's music app is bad

[trail yarrow]

They gonna Owarida iTunes as well so RIP

[flint bobcat]

thanks college

[stone wave]

I'm still using the same Windows key I got from college.