technology

[flint bobcat]

there

[severe falcon]

once you start doing some more complicated things, that stuff will jump out like red flags

[flint bobcat]

lets try more complicated wording

[severe falcon]

dog cat rabbit fish frog turtle

im gonna assume it swaps once and then breaks

[flint bobcat]

[severe falcon]

uhhh

did you modify it to have both lengths of strings?

[flint bobcat]

huh

wdym

[severe falcon]

like dog and rabbit are different lengths

OH

nvm

[flint bobcat]

Looks like we did it

[severe falcon]

theres still a few problems

[flint bobcat]

[severe falcon]

its working but just with our tests

[flint bobcat]

true

[severe falcon]

try cat and catfish

i think that will break it

[flint bobcat]

wait

which one goes first from those 2

[severe falcon]

aha thats the first problem

[flint bobcat]

no like

whats it suppose to be

[severe falcon]

oh cat is before catfish

[flint bobcat]

rip

[severe falcon]

aha it didnt go past c

also it still swapped?

[flint bobcat]

don't know why

[severe falcon]

lemme see the loop now

[flint bobcat]

oh wait i know

its because its only if str1 > str2

otherwise swap

i should let it equal

[severe falcon]

yeah you need an else if equal and then else swap

[flint bobcat]

yeah it can't tell them apart

so it they are both the same but one has less letters

that one is lower?

[severe falcon]

uhh can i see the code real quick? its changed quite a bit since i last saw it

[severe falcon]

first you need to remove the equals sign

you need to have an else if in there

[flint bobcat]

huh

the >= is needed

[severe falcon]

if(lower){
}
else if(equal){
}
else{
swap
}

[flint bobcat]

ok

[severe falcon]

no cuz equal needs its own special case

equal means you have to tell it to go to the next characters to check

[flint bobcat]

it worked

[severe falcon]

yeah

[flint bobcat]

shit man, thanks

we finished it

[severe falcon]

although im surprised it didnt break considering there isnt any checks on the string length

[flint bobcat]

the for loops handle the string length

[severe falcon]

yeah but you have two strings of differeing length

one of which the loops dont account for

[flint bobcat]

it works

[severe falcon]

cuz it SHOULD be trying to access the letter after t in cat and it should yell at you for being dumb

[flint bobcat]

lul

[severe falcon]

but its not? so idk

[flint bobcat]

maybe because its a vector instead of an array

[severe falcon]

no cuz its still strings

[flint bobcat]

give me more words to try out

[severe falcon]

add more animal names

i would attempt to make the same thing on my comp but i dont have gcc so i cant

oh wait i do have an old ide

[severe falcon]

i mean

it worked

r/malicious compliance

[flint bobcat]

[severe falcon]

well i found my compiler so im gonna make one real quick

so what next @flint bobcat ?

[flint bobcat]

well im just gonna go eat in a little

dont know what else to make

[severe falcon]

ok ill think of some projects for you and DM you them

[flint bobcat]

ok

[severe falcon]

@subtle hawk after using the music bot for like 2 mins i now realize just how much trouble that wouldve been to get it working

[tropic notch]

why do you need the second for loop if you are going to break in the if-else statement?

[flint bobcat]

second for loop goes through the characters for each string

[severe falcon]

^

[tropic notch]

but you break after the first character anyways

the way you have it

[severe falcon]

oh thats an older version

[tropic notch]

ah

[severe falcon]

the actual one works

[flint bobcat]

yeah, fire helped me

[severe falcon]

(although i made one that does the same thing as yours and the bug about the string lengths crashed my ide)

[flint bobcat]

LUL

[severe falcon]

but you may want to look into the best sorting algorithms and why they are the best

cuz bubble sort kinda sucks

[flint bobcat]

i mean im just testing out algorithms

[severe falcon]

yeah but try out quicksort and mergesort, which are top tier

[flint bobcat]

[severe falcon]

uhhhh pick a simpler example of mergesort XD

actually no wait

thats not a bad example

it just looks like hell

[flint bobcat]

so mergesort is like splitting up and merging?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Merge-sort-example-300px.gif/220px-Merge-sort-example-300px.gif

from wiki

[severe falcon]

yeah split up and merge

[flint bobcat]

i see

i should try it out tomorrow

[severe falcon]

it does it quite a bit faster than bubblesort

[flint bobcat]

i think bubble sort is efficient for strings

[severe falcon]

lets say you have 1000 items you need for sorting and your comp can do one per second

[flint bobcat]

oo

i see

so split it up

[severe falcon]

bubblesort worst case takes 1,000,000 seconds to complete

[flint bobcat]

i mean for numbers yeah

[severe falcon]

no for anything

strings numbers anything, just sorting "things"

also mergesort completes its sort at about 10,000

[tame topaz]

Radix LSD In-place base 10 for extra visual and audio fun

Its sound its hard to describe tbh

But I love it

And then there's Bogo...

[subtle hawk]

@severe falcon wdym

[severe falcon]

@subtle hawk ? i was just talking about time complexity given 1000 items to sort

bubblesort is O(n^2) = 1000*1000 = 1000000
mergesort is O(n*log(n)) = 1000*~10 = ~10000

[subtle hawk]

no about the whole music bot thing

[severe falcon]

oh the whole emote based music system looks like its a nightmare of coding, but it works

[subtle hawk]

well it was

the code is absolute garbage

but it works

I'll need a day to sit down and fix it

[severe falcon]

yeah but i was talking about unoptimized bubblesort

cuz thats what we made

personally i prefer to do a binarysearch/sort

are you talking about trees?

oh i havent heard of this

ah so its kinda like when you have to find a word in the dictionary, so you flip it open close to where you think the starting letter section is

@subtle hawk uhhh i think z23 sensei died

oh wait i just read #music-spam

oh i like this exponential search

might have to switch to using that

[severe falcon]

@subtle hawk so i know z23 keeps track of the warns and other stuff, does she have a database for it?

[subtle hawk]

ye

more than one

[severe falcon]

is it like her own database or is it third party?

[subtle hawk]

wdym

[severe falcon]

like you dont have her using like firebase or anything like that?

[subtle hawk]

ah no

they're not cloud databases

[severe falcon]

SQL right?

i had to use a non-sql database and wanted to die

[severe falcon]

just gonna drop this screenshot here and let you figure it out

[flint bobcat]

also

[severe falcon]

?

[flint bobcat]

actually nvm fixed it

i was passing a char into an index

[severe falcon]

ah

[flint bobcat]

@severe falcon its going along good

[severe falcon]

oh that looks pretty good

[flint bobcat]

yeah, i used string splitting, then converted them to integers

using that, i can get the locations in the array

[severe falcon]

i need my wifi adapter to be water cooled, its getting pretty warm

[flint bobcat]

is that even possible

[quartz atlas]

iirc i saw a video of some madlads doing it

[subtle hawk]

@severe falcon my 10Gbits NICs all have beefy heatsinks on then

[wooden geyser]

what is the best rog laptop under $2000?

my dad is gonna buy me one

[subtle hawk]

@wooden geyser depends on what u want

raw gaming POWA?

[quartz atlas]

why not wait for the new CES laptops to drop? they have rtx20xx cards in them. RTX ON

[wooden geyser]

Well if that rtx laptop is under 2k im buying it

[subtle hawk]

some of them

not all

@wooden geyser to be fair for 2k I would build a dope tower and get a cheaper laptop to complement the tower

[topaz kestrel]

[subtle hawk]

oi

that thing

that thing shall be mine

[topaz kestrel]

can you feel the raw gaming POWA?

[past bison]

i posted about that "laptop" earlier, sweclockers was the first one post their video about it that i saw

[subtle hawk]

idc

I need dat

only thing it misses is touchscreen and stylus

[tame topaz]

Choo choo!

The hype train is real!

[topaz kestrel]

I really need to upgrade from this i5-4200u with no dedicated graphics

[paper marsh]

This is bad

'Plugged in, charging' but stuck at 6%

My AC charger is working

Plug receiver still works

[subtle hawk]

@paper marsh or battery ded

[paper marsh]

OOF

Oh boy

I need to remove it asap

I knew it

[subtle hawk]

dw it won't go Note 7 on you

dead batteries can't hold a charge

[paper marsh]

So

I need to remove and use it without battery

[subtle hawk]

u can use it with the battery in

it won't make a difference

[paper marsh]

Okay

I need to upgrade my ram asap

Thank you so much

[severe falcon]

does anyone know if ram throttles itself if it gets too warm? i was using alot of ram yesterday but after i freed it, my comp was still loading things slowly

[tame topaz]

@severe falcon I don't think that's a thing

[severe falcon]

huh i wonder why my comp was going so slow then

[tame topaz]

Loading things slowly eh...

Storage?

[severe falcon]

it went from having less than 1 GB of free ram to more than 8 GB free and chrome took a min or two to load

[tame topaz]

A mem leak?

[severe falcon]

no i was playing minecraft modpack that eats ram for breakfast

and then closed it and freed all the ram

[tame topaz]

Odd.

[severe falcon]

but it was quite some time after i closed it that it happened

and the weird thing is that i was just using chrome

i was just thinking since my CPU was peaking at 65 C that the ram was getting too warm and throttled themselves

[tame topaz]

65 doesn't sound too bad

For me 70-something is typical.

Man I need a better heatsink.

[severe falcon]

amd or intel?

[tame topaz]

AMD.

The Ryzen APU. Bound to be hot since it uses the same TIM dealio as Intel and not soldered.

[severe falcon]

oh is that from the newer batch of CPUs?

i still have an FX6300 which the max temp for that whole line of CPUs is 70 C

[tame topaz]

Speaking of which if the new Ryzen 3 has 6 cores then oh man it's gonna be the FX 6300 all over again

And even cheaper this time.

[severe falcon]

i believe its the Ryzen 3300 X(?) that has the same specs as the FX6300 and about the same price as when the 6300 was new, except its has 12 threads instead of 6

but those "same specs" are gonna be so much more efficient

[tame topaz]

no 5ghz OC though

Most likely, anyway.

[severe falcon]

one time i was in fries and saw a 5ghz base clock for an intel that said water cooled only

cant wait to do a new build, just about everything except my PSU and HDDs(arguably) are outdated and at their limit

[tame topaz]

Cool.

Well, for now, let us see

And hope Jim is right on this one

[severe falcon]

wait i just reread that last bit, did someone overclock an FX6300 to 5ghz??

[tame topaz]

From what I've read quite a few chips reached that

With some tweaking

[severe falcon]

jeez, mine could only reach 4.408 ghz with the mobo's auto overclocking feature, but then it failed to run bios on restart so i had to reset mobo

[tame topaz]

Jeez

Guess you're kinda unlucky with the lotto

[severe falcon]

i was also only using the heatsink that came with the CPU (and still am) so i think it just got way too hot

[tame topaz]

Probably

Stock heatsink won't take you very far

[severe falcon]

not far with OC but it constantly runs at 3.8 ghz boost and runs pretty cool

except it makes my room the hottest in the house at over 80 F (27 C)

[tame topaz]

27 C

hottest

cries in near-equator

[severe falcon]

yeah my house AC is set to 24 C and its texas in winter

dont worry in summer i will far outheat you

[tame topaz]

How does 40 sound?

You could literally fry an egg on the sidewalk

[severe falcon]

im talking about indoors temp with AC

[tame topaz]

Dunno.

[severe falcon]

texas summer is 40 C literally every day

[tame topaz]

Jesus

[severe falcon]

if a light rain pops up, sometimes the ground boils it away so theres no evidence of it raining literally a min ago

[tame topaz]

Well thank god for rain showers here

Because we have plenty in the summer

[severe falcon]

send us your weather please

[tame topaz]

/weather Hanoi

[unkempt slate]

I don't have the Google API key set, go yell at the Supreme Flagship.

[tame topaz]

oof

[severe falcon]

yeah her weather is broken for a bit

[tame topaz]

Yeah I know she died for a good while

[severe falcon]

yeah "supreme flagship" suffered an area wide power outage and so she died

[tame topaz]

Probably gonna take a while to fix her

[severe falcon]

yeah but just to let you know how much heat my comp puts out, its ~8 C outside and our AC is ON and my room is still 26 C

[tame topaz]

wtf

Send us your room temp pls

[severe falcon]

why do you want my room temp, wouldnt you like the 8 C instead of 40 C better?

[tame topaz]

It's winter here too oof

Just above 10 C and I barely could take it already

Brrr

[severe falcon]

ah i see, its called an FX6300 and a 950 shoved into a cramped ITX box case

best space heater ever

[tame topaz]

Oh lord

[severe falcon]

old chaotic setup but only pic i could find of space heater over there

[tame topaz]

Blower card for extra heat output

[severe falcon]

yep

[tame topaz]

Keeps the inside of the case cool at the expense of the temps of the actual surroundings

[severe falcon]

i think the CPU has some words to say about "inside of the case cool"

on the MC modpack, the CPU is aabout 20 C warmer than GPU

[tame topaz]

Jesus

What kind of modpack is that anyway?

[severe falcon]

its called stoneblock, min recommended ram for it to use is 6 GB

thats just for it, not including what your system needs to survive

[tame topaz]

Goodness

Sounds like a benchmark in of itself

[severe falcon]

yeah from what people have said about setting up servers for it, you need an equivalent server for 50 player vanilla MC for it to even work

[tame topaz]

Damn.

[severe falcon]

although hottest CPU ive ever had was some kind of i3 in my dell laptop

terraria made it emergency shutdown due to excessive temp several times

i checked the logs, and the kernel's emergency shutoff temp is 87 C, it was peaking at 90 C

[tame topaz]

Drop in some liquid metal and bam

Also a bit of cleaning

[severe falcon]

or any heatsink at all

its literally just a "U" shape of copper pipe going over the processor and leading to the fan

[tame topaz]

Just a cheap laptop cooler would work as well

[severe falcon]

oh yeah i had a fan mat for it to sit on which worked pretty well

[tame topaz]

I need to get one

My dad's old work laptop heats up quite a bit at the bottom

Not helped by the metallic shell

[severe falcon]

but this is the problem with integrated graphics, terraria is not CPU or GPU intensive but once the processor has to do both things get crazy

gtg for now but ill be back in like 30 min

[tame topaz]

[severe falcon]

[severe falcon]

ok so i have an rpi, 2 arduinos, and a bunch of electronic sensors and stuff, any suggestions on what to make besides buzzer music?

"this is so sad, arduino, play despacito"
plays megalovania
"NOOOOO"

[subtle hawk]

lol

I still remember that video

still need to get rpi

[severe falcon]

get the rpi 3, its amazing

i use it for ALL my programming

[subtle hawk]

yeah I'm going for 3b+ don't worry

[severe falcon]

i had about 24 different actors as single pixels on a jframe window that was 512 x 512 and it ran all 24 pathing around at 60fps

the actual size of image was 128 x 128 so it had to enlarge it twice every single frame

[languid saddle]

Bois

AMD CES gonna start soon

[severe falcon]

so technically the "single pixel" actors were actually 16 pixels but only for veiwability

[languid saddle]

Let's see if those octacore 5GHz CPUs are something

[tame topaz]

[severe falcon]

uhh shouldnt it have started already?

[tame topaz]

Not yet it seems oof

Should be starting soon

[severe falcon]

dang im at work and no headphones

and theres no CC

[languid saddle]

They always start late lmao

[tame topaz]

I'll have to relay anything of note then

A clip.

[severe falcon]

surprised that there isnt live google translate option for the yt livestream

[tame topaz]

"Are you ready?"

Hell yeah

Alright, bit of CES preamble

[severe falcon]

am still watching it but without sound so you only need to say the really cool stuff

[tame topaz]

Okay.

"I'm trying to move this along" lol

He knows what we want

"Watching the CES livestream on the livestream"

Lisa's rockin' that leather

[severe falcon]

and the bragging rights of breaking the ghz barrier

[tame topaz]

And teraflop

[severe falcon]

ps4 is amd?

didnt know that

[tame topaz]

Only console that uses Nvidia is Switch

[severe falcon]

switch has nvidia CPU?

or GPU?

[tame topaz]

Both

[severe falcon]

is xbox all intel?

[tame topaz]

AMD APU

Same for PS4

[severe falcon]

wait you mean to tell me MICROSOFT is using amd?

[tame topaz]

Yep.

Mind blown?

[severe falcon]

yes and i might reconsider using amd gpus for my next build

[tame topaz]

oof why

Oh right

You told me

[severe falcon]

nono like i was gonna do nvidia

yeah

but if ps4 and xbone use amd idk

[tame topaz]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_(microarchitecture)

This is the microarch they use

OH SHIT

high performance pcs

[severe falcon]

that triangle tho

THAT RED GAMING COMP

[tame topaz]

Mac is using AMD graphics as well

[severe falcon]

is mac still using intel CPUs or have they actually made their own

[tame topaz]

Still Intel.

Oh boy oh boy oh boy

Hint hint

[severe falcon]

ah the record breaking threadripper

[tame topaz]

"we can do better"

[severe falcon]

THAT GRAPH XD

[tame topaz]

lol

Okay, some uninteresting stuff

Or not, depends

[severe falcon]

some high quality mocap

[tame topaz]

That live CGI cam though

[severe falcon]

at least they moved away from the ping pong balls everyshwere

[tame topaz]

Fox endorses AMD

Gonna talk bout mobile Ryzen probably

[severe falcon]

dang thats a small chip and its very non square

wait 4k HDR streaming?

excuse me

[tame topaz]

10CUs in Ryzen 2 mobile

max

[severe falcon]

CUs?

[tame topaz]

Compute units

[severe falcon]

oh so cores/threads?

[tame topaz]

Talking bout GPU

[severe falcon]

oh

well how many cores in a CU? cuz nvidia goes by cores

[tame topaz]

64 cores

[severe falcon]

per CU?

[tame topaz]

Yeah

iirc

[severe falcon]

FOR A LAPTOP? JEEZ

tinkercad XD

[tame topaz]

Gotta start somewhere

It's honestly fun

[severe falcon]

oh yeah no i love it

i use blender for more organic stuff and tinkercad for the angular things

[tame topaz]

I think we're gonna have to wait a while

For any meaty stuff if any

Gaming!

400 million? Damn.

Yep we're gonna have to wait

Some on reddit are calling the hype train derailed

[severe falcon]

and microsoft comes on to the stage at an amd thing, yeah if amd cards are cheaper than nvidia imma get them

[tame topaz]

They are highly likely to be

[severe falcon]

how long until its supposed to be over?

[tame topaz]

We don't even know.

yawn

[severe falcon]

oh dear

[tame topaz]

Might as well sleep if they don't announce something soon.

past midnight already

[severe falcon]

inb4 6 hours later

ah its noon for me

well almost

[tame topaz]

Always convenient that your country sits nicely within one single time zone.

[subtle hawk]

0:40am here

[tame topaz]

Ayyy same

[subtle hawk]

also no confusing dst to boot

[severe falcon]

tfw my country sits withing 6 i think

not sure if alaska has one inbetween hawaii and california

[subtle hawk]

Alaska has their time zone, yeah

and there's one US state that never use DST

[severe falcon]

arizona i think

[subtle hawk]

so it's actually 7 different time zones

[severe falcon]

nah arizona just switches its time zone

[tame topaz]

Okay, microsoft segment over

[subtle hawk]

and still not counting some islands that belongs to US

[tame topaz]

OH SHIT NEW GPU?!

No wait

Let's see

[severe falcon]

actually both arizona and hawaii and the islands

[subtle hawk]

yeah

I keep forgetting islands

[severe falcon]

ehh that card doesnt look flashy enough

[tame topaz]

590 out for a while now

[subtle hawk]

yeah

[tame topaz]

General consensus: not that good

[subtle hawk]

still not sure if I go full amd in my next build

[severe falcon]

still not flashy enough, even PNY made my 950 look flashy

[tame topaz]

Reference design

[subtle hawk]

yeah

[tame topaz]

Oh

OH

ITS TIME

3 FAN REFERENCE DESIGN

7?!

[severe falcon]

7 what?

[tame topaz]

Radeon VII?!

[severe falcon]

oh

[tame topaz]

Punz

16GB HBM2

[severe falcon]

hopefully sapphires gets ahold of some of these and flashes them up

hbm2?

[tame topaz]

High Bandwith Memory

[severe falcon]

is ddr not a thing for cards anymore?

[tame topaz]

Fast af VRAM

For now it's only on high end cards

Like Titan V

And Vega

[severe falcon]

so like HBM is basically the DDR 6

[tame topaz]

No there is actual GDDR6

[severe falcon]

for now until we actually get ddr 6

oh

ddr 7 then

[tame topaz]

We got it already on Turing

Damn it's still Vega

Kinda a letdown on that regard

[severe falcon]

so how good does that look, i have the livestream in a 1/4 window at 360p

[tame topaz]

90 fps Devil May Cry 5 4K ultra

Seems pretty good so far

Neck in neck with RTX 2080

[severe falcon]

ah, so good you cannot physically see it on yt

[tame topaz]

Ubisoft

[severe falcon]

currently the only company that listens to its users XD

[tame topaz]

oof

The Division 2

[severe falcon]

no way

that looks sooooo gooood

IS THAT DC?

division 2 looks like division 1 with better graphics and a new map, which honestly sounds pretty great considering the failures of games its competing with

[tame topaz]

Mentioning second generation Ryzen bundle

oof...?

Fnatic eh?

We beat them once

Losing hope...

[severe falcon]

so we already saw the new graphics card, are we just waiting for new ryzen reveal?

[tame topaz]

Yep.

And who knows, maybe Navi as well?

[severe falcon]

Navi?

[tame topaz]

New GPU architecture

Man you've seriously been living under a rock

[severe falcon]

ive had an fx6300 for the past 6 years, so yes i have

[tame topaz]

I'm figuring that if they are releasing Navi then they'll at first release cards weaker than that Radeon VII

Seems unlikely though

[severe falcon]

someone better have etched "hey, listen" into the card on a microscopic level next to navi GPU

[tame topaz]

Heh

Hoping for a letdown then full steam back on the hype train

Best outcome I can think of

[severe falcon]

i think amd might pull a fast one and start ending CES and then reveal it

[tame topaz]

$699

Next month

[severe falcon]

and its 2080 level?

how much is 2080?

[tame topaz]

$799

You get 16 gigs of VRAM and FreeSync for a hundred less

[severe falcon]

that undercut oof

new AC?

[tame topaz]

Ah yes I think we have heard of this one before

C'mon now AMD, don't let us down...

"A lot more this year"

[severe falcon]

OH BOI HERE WE GO

[tame topaz]

Kinda sounds like they're saving it for later tho

Epyc?

New Epyc?

Damn, this isn't looking good

[severe falcon]

is epyc cloud storage and computing?

[tame topaz]

Workstation CPUs.

[severe falcon]

yeah we still have hope

its still cloud cpus tho right?

[tame topaz]

I guess?

[subtle hawk]

it's for server stacks

[severe falcon]

remember nvidia's most powerful thing isnt an RTX, i think amd probably has the big boy stuff in those cloud machines

[tame topaz]

There is the Titan RTX tho

$2.5k

[severe falcon]

a tesla is more powerful than the RTX

their computing focused GPUs for cloud supercomputing

dell had a deal for one at $19k

[tame topaz]

2nd gen Epyc

[severe falcon]

OH

[tame topaz]

ZEN 2 BABY

Hope hope hope

ZEN 2 HAS SHOWN ITS HAND

[severe falcon]

waht is that

[tame topaz]

New microarchitecture

Zen+ was 2000 series

[severe falcon]

i know but what was the simulation of

[tame topaz]

idk

ITS TIME

[subtle hawk]

👀

[tame topaz]

They didn't dissapoint.

[severe falcon]

[tame topaz]

Oof preview

Forza Horizon 4?

[severe falcon]

but how are you showing off a CPU with a game where the GPU is doing the work?

[tame topaz]

Hm. Seems like they can't quite show the full line yet

[severe falcon]

unless that integrated graphics

[subtle hawk]

probably fast dynamic map loading needed by racing game

I don't know

[tame topaz]

Seems like the same thing as 1st gen Ryzen launch

Preview at CES, then a keynote later in like february

Uh oh 8 core 16 thread

[severe falcon]

i assume new one was on right?

[tame topaz]

Yep.

But that is kinda worrying.

8 core 16 thread

Don't tell me we're not getting a core count bump

Ryzen noods

[severe falcon]

uhhhh is that empty space on a chip?

[tame topaz]

Chiplets, eh?

The bigger chip is the I/O die

ooh PCIe 4

[severe falcon]

yeah but the 2 chiplets had space around for more stuff right?

[tame topaz]

Not sure

[severe falcon]

then that is worrying'

[tame topaz]

Why so?

[severe falcon]

if there isnt empty space then thers no way to improve it

[tame topaz]

Mid-2019 launch

[severe falcon]

but if there is, then theres gonna be a crazy one

with more cores

[tame topaz]

Seems like it's ending

Yep, stream ending.

So kinda disappointing.

At least we have confirmation.

The end.

[severe falcon]

WHAT

NO FAKE OUT?

[tame topaz]

Nope.

Just ends.

[severe falcon]

well GPU looks good

CPU is ehhh

[tame topaz]

Not good.

[severe falcon]

its the same thing with the visheras

why get the FX 8350 when the FX 6300 can do anything you want and its cheaper?

but to be honest, seeing the 3 fan reference design, that blank design actually looked pretty good when you disrupt it with 3 big fans

[tame topaz]

True.

Let's see how many are let down in the AMD sub

[severe falcon]

i just hope sapphire gets them so i can have a perfect GPU

[tame topaz]

Seems like the name Radeon VII is one hell of a pun

7nm

[severe falcon]

a pun?

oh yeah

[tame topaz]

VII -> V II -> V 2

Vega 2

[severe falcon]

hyperdimension neptunia all over again XD

VII isnt 7 is V 2

[tame topaz]

Yep, everyone is disappointed in the subreddit

[severe falcon]

big oof

[tame topaz]

Viewership?

What is that?

[severe falcon]

their stocks

[subtle hawk]

stock

[tame topaz]

oof

[severe falcon]

down $0.76 in 15 mins

dropping harder than the bass

[tame topaz]

Quite a letdown.

At least it's not as bad as the beginning of the year where it was 17 dollars.

[severe falcon]

honestly even if they did have the new powerhouse that we wanted, id still get the 6300 replacement

[tame topaz]

January 4th to be specific

Alright, time to sleep

Bit of a waste of valuable sleep time, but eh.

Really though, the Radeon VII's true competitor would be the 1080 Ti.

Especially in terms of pricing.

[severe falcon]

just realized today that cleverbot passed the turing test and is the most intelligent ai in the world

and its still an idiot just like us humans

[past bison]

pink asus rog peripherals...

[flint bobcat]

Is it worth getting 8 GB of ram in 2019

With a GTX 1070

[severe falcon]

do you mean getting a 1070 with 8 GB or having 8 GB of ram and then getting a 1070

[flint bobcat]

1070 with 8 GB ram

[severe falcon]

i mean im running a 950 with 2 GB so that would be heaven for me

[subtle hawk]

meh

AMD not living up to the hype with navi

as usual

[severe falcon]

or with new CPU

the Radeon VII was the high point of the whole thing

[subtle hawk]

well

the ryzen chips are eh

decent

but the GPUs are rlly meh

but amd fanbois be amd fanbois

[severe falcon]

yeah its like i said earlier, people bought the FX 6300 cuz it was cheap and had enough power rather than getting the FX 8350

same with these new ryzens

[wooden geyser]

Well i do have a pc

But it can run hoi4/csgo around 8-30 fps

Still good

But i have a joke dual monitor

My computer monitor and my phone (for other stuff)

200 iq

[past bison]

if you include the lcd for my speakers and my phones screen, i have 5

[severe falcon]

i have 2 monitors, one is 20 inch 1600 x 900, other is 26 inch 1366 x 768

[severe falcon]

oh gosh i was helping a neighbor with their mac and the mouse sensitivity was like 4 dpi and my mouse is 1k so now that im back at my comp, my mouse is sanic fast

[compact cloud]

lol

ikr

[severe falcon]

@subtle hawk so what are you working on for z23's next update?

[severe falcon]

so i just took the steam hardware survey thing, and apparently my OS was installed dec 31, 1969

[tame topaz]

oof

[severe falcon]

i downloaded the software to control the lighting for my corsair headset, and now a lady announces whenever i mute my mic or plug n play my headset

[tame topaz]

Creator of CrystalDiskMark.

[subtle hawk]

@tame topaz man of culture

[languid saddle]

Subarashii

[mental coyote]

Waifu wallpaper detected.

[tame topaz]

I mean have you seen the anime background version of CrystalDiskMark?

I use it.

[mental coyote]

Never used that one.

[tame topaz]

It lists a "Shizuku Edition" on the official download page.

that's the anime version.

[proven forum]

It's the same with crystaldiskinfo by the same guy, there's also another one kurei something edition that's similar, different character

[subtle hawk]

@proven forum the entire crystaldisk suite is made by him

[tame topaz]

Would 400W be enough to drive a 2200G + an RX 580?

[subtle hawk]

barely @tame topaz

it will eat 360W aprox

that's just the CPU and GPU

500W should be good

[tame topaz]

oof

[subtle hawk]

oh right

today we get the freesync on nvidia

[subtle hawk]

@tame topaz got a spicy meme for ya

[mortal merlin]

Yo guys

Indeed

excited for freesync

especially on my MSI Optix monitor

smooth stutter free 144hz experience

@tame topaz what's your budget for a psu?

I would recommend a EVGA G3 series

they are pretty cheap for the performance they deliver

@subtle hawk I do have one thing i am pretty worried doe, that my monitor might just screw itself when i enable freesync

[subtle hawk]

why would it

[mortal merlin]

Welp you seen the demo's

some of them have stuttering and the screen blinking

i hope my monitor doesn't have those issues

[subtle hawk]

if it does

then u disable it

[mortal merlin]

Yes

and cry that my dream is shattered

[past bison]

if your monitor model doesnt have the issues you saw on those videos, you will have freesync enabled by default when you install this new driver with the freesync support

[mortal merlin]

Mine isn't in the list of G sync compatible monitors doe

[subtle hawk]

@past bison no it doesn't

only G-Sync compatible displays have it by default

[mortal merlin]

and mine isnt T_T

[subtle hawk]

and those are specifically tested by nvidia

if it's not compatible you have to manually toggle it

[mortal merlin]

i just hope the issue with mine is the lack of variable refresh rate instead of those issues

otherwise i will be salty that i spent so much on a monitor that doesn't work

[subtle hawk]

@mortal merlin you understand this right

it's not that once you turn it on it breaks

[mortal merlin]

I know that

but i just hope the freesync on it works

[subtle hawk]

those artifacts are only present if freesync is enabled

[mortal merlin]

without the artifacting issues

[subtle hawk]

http://nyamato.ban-hammered.me/i/ned2n.png

[mortal merlin]

you would think if you spend money on a high quality display that it would actually display freesync properly

so if it doesn't i will be quite salty

[subtle hawk]

I have a gsync display

I'm good

[mortal merlin]

REeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

G sync monitors are $400 more expensive than Freesync ones here

[tame topaz]

@mortal merlin Just asking since there are quite a few cheap 580s around

And I'm not that willing to buy a new PSU tbh

[mortal merlin]

I see

[tame topaz]

@subtle hawk That one frontpaged r/gaming, awesome stuff.

[subtle hawk]

EVGA and Seasonic are the best PSU manufacturers

[mortal merlin]

the minimum these days are 550W

Corsair is as well

at least their AXi series

[subtle hawk]

corsair is iffy

well I have a 1000W PSU

bcz 2 GPUs

[mortal merlin]

I love the build quality of my AX850I

860*

It's a platinum rated PSU so its definitely a strong contender

only issue i have with it is it's exorbitant price

[subtle hawk]

HX1000i

[mortal merlin]

Nice

one level below mine in terms of series

[subtle hawk]

there is no AX series PSUs for 1000W

[mortal merlin]

true

they are mostly at the higher ranges

[subtle hawk]

and the difference between AXi and HXi is very small

[mortal merlin]

i got mine pretty cheap actually

about $5 more than a EVGA PSU of equivalent power

that is gold rated

[tame topaz]

Heard that the 520W S12II's really good.

[subtle hawk]

So, I got this thing now 🤔

had to spend extra $20 on ethernet adapter and cable because my uni's wifi uses a weird type of wpa security

and I wanted fast file transfer

[subtle hawk]

@subtle hawk it's not weird

it's called 802.1X

I use it in my home network

[tame topaz]

What even is that

[subtle hawk]

look it up

[tame topaz]

Server type dealio?

[subtle hawk]

it's called WPA Enterprise I think

I tried to set up a certificate file in linux before but couldn't succeed

[tame topaz]

Obligatory

Freaking game ruined the word for me

[subtle hawk]

lol

[tame topaz]

But what even is that you have up there?

[subtle hawk]

it allows username-password type login directly

instead of going through website login

[tame topaz]

No, the thing you have up there with the Pi?

[subtle hawk]

the usb thing?

[tame topaz]

Or at least I think that's a Pi

[subtle hawk]

it's rpi

yeah

it's basically network authentication @tame topaz

@subtle hawk yes that's 802.1X

I know

what does it use for the auth mechanism

login/pass

SIM

PEAP

certificate

yeah, it's login/pass

no certificate?

no certificate I think

then it's ez

I'll send you the config for wpa_supplicant when I get home

thanks

but yeah I'll keep that ethernet cable when I transfer files though

it's harder ti extract or convert a existing cert

maybe

I remember having no luck setting it up back when I had linux installed on my old laptop

well you need to be well versed in the linux systems to get it right reliably

[tame topaz]

Unix is where the techno-wizards reside

[subtle hawk]

lol yep

indeed

I can live without

[tame topaz]

And I'm just sitting here getting a perfect score in PowerPoint.

oof

I have a lot to learn

[subtle hawk]

but unlike linux purists I don't want to trade ease of use and reliability for some social statement

🤔

speaking of powerpoint

[tame topaz]

I inadvertently ended up in the Office Specialist school team

Somehow

[subtle hawk]

back when I was in primary school I liked to add transition effects to everything as much as possible

who didn't

I remember my presentation just lags everything

yeah 😄

all the effects

[tame topaz]

All them effects

One time I did a Flash transition for the title slide and it worked out extremely well

It was a presentation on Touhou and the title slide was a piece of fanart with the sun shining on the side

[subtle hawk]

hm

how do I skip getting a package from a very slow mirror

[tame topaz]

So when the flash faded it transited right to the sun's position

Freaking sweet

[subtle hawk]

you don't

it's been 10 minutes and it still doesn't finish getting a 31mb file

ur uni network is throttling

🤔

let me try 4g then

[tame topaz]

I frankly at the time don't really have an use for a server

And the electricity bill is high enough with the current rig already

[subtle hawk]

I can't live without servers

I switched to 4g and got the same result

it even has no transfers at all

what package

Get:1 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian stretch/main armhf libraspberrypi-doc armhf 1.20181112-1 [31.4 MB]

oh wait nvm

it downloads now

maybe just really slow connection

yeah, at 30 seconds even on very small files

[severe falcon]

So i have a data analytics class with python and i have never touched python in my life, anyone here who has used it a bunch and can give me some kind of quick crash course of the things the tutorials DONT teach?

[subtle hawk]

@severe falcon such as?

[severe falcon]

Idk but in java or c++ theres those tricks you learn that none of the tutorials tell you that save a bunch of headaches

[subtle hawk]

idk

I manage by reading the docs

and lots of googling

[severe falcon]

Same, maybe ill just attempt to program something and see how well it goes

Tic tac toe ai here we go

[subtle hawk]

meanwhile I'm wasting my time making this

http://nyamato.ban-hammered.me/i/jrk1l.png

[severe falcon]

Although @subtle hawk is it normal for my eyes and brain to get cancer from going from java to python?

[subtle hawk]

yes

that's normal

[severe falcon]

Oh is that a deadliest warrior kinda thing for al?

[subtle hawk]

waifu sorter yes

[severe falcon]

Waifu sorter?

[subtle hawk]

u pick between the options

and in the end it gives u a list of waifus

[severe falcon]

Oh so its like learning your waifus? Or is it just making a list of the ones you picked?

[subtle hawk]

making a list

http://nyamato.ban-hammered.me/i/dsmkk.png

[severe falcon]

Ah, well maybe after this class i might make an al battle simulator and rank all the girls on the wiki

[subtle hawk]

after I'm done with this I'm putting it up

for ppl to waste time on it

[mental coyote]

Ooooh

[severe falcon]

The only problem i have is that we cant actually figure out the hidden stats without ripping the game apart

[subtle hawk]

well about that

[severe falcon]

You can figure out one hidden stat (hit i think) by using their individual score, but luck isnt calculatable

And luck is the most important stat in the game and we dont know what it is

Thats the reason why we cant accurately calculate dps

[subtle hawk]

well I started digging into the game

and I got further than others in a certain part

if I'm done there then I may try something intern kun won't be happy about

[severe falcon]

I mean idk why they want to hide the most important stat in the game from us, i can understand hit, as it isnt that important in the damage calc, but luck is the only way to calculate a ships accuracy

Amd it would make sense to hide it if it literally was involved in every act of rng, but its ONLY for the ship accuracy

(Asked for a programming idea and one guy told me to make a dps calculator, so i spent a few hours attempting to see how to get around the luck part to no avail)

[subtle hawk]

it's 10 PM and I'm already half asleep

might leave this waifu sorter for tomorrow

[severe falcon]

Its 1:45 pm and i never woke up(been at school since 8)

[mental coyote]

Commit Sleep. Tired coders fuck things up.

[subtle hawk]

I have git history to fix fuckups

[severe falcon]

Nono ALL coders mess up, tired coders dont care that they messed up

[subtle hawk]

then I'm always tired

[severe falcon]

And sleep deprived coders hardcode @subtle hawk

[subtle hawk]

I never hardcode

unless it's something that needs hardcoding

[severe falcon]

PFFT

Now i cant bother you about your 60% skip vote hardcoding

[subtle hawk]

technically it's not hardcoding

since it's a mathematical equation

[severe falcon]

True

Reminds me of assembly class, "i will enter a number from 0 to 999 and you need to print the number out onto the command line(as a string)"
A kid hardcoded all 1000 different numbers as assembly versions of if statements

[subtle hawk]

lel

[severe falcon]

So thats like a 4000 line program

[subtle hawk]

now I wanna see that kid make a OS in ASM

[severe falcon]

Ive never even tried doing any os stuff, i dont wanna kill my rpi

[mental coyote]

I thought someone made an OS in assembly?

[severe falcon]

All OS are in assembly

Although i think at this point windows and mac might not touch assembly programming for it

Speaking of rpi, have they made the 64bit version of raspian yet? I want my rpi to achieve its full power

[subtle hawk]

well a mix of ASM and C

ur rpi runs a ARM SoC

it will never be able to run x64

[severe falcon]

Yeah but rpi 3 is arm v8, its a 64 bit processor, but raspian is a 32 bit OS

So its actually running arm v7

[subtle hawk]

arm is outside of the x32 arch

[severe falcon]

Well yeah bit its still a 64 bit processor, it has 64 bit registers

[subtle hawk]

like there's x32 with its x32_64 sub and then there's arm

and the OS is specifically made for arm

just like android

[severe falcon]

Yeah but arm v8, which the rpi is rated for, is a 64 bit archetecture

[subtle hawk]

even doe u can build android for x64

[severe falcon]

Yeah the raspian OS is made for the 32 bit arm v7, so the processor only uses half the registers and only half the width of the registers it uses

[subtle hawk]

compatibility

only the 3B and B+ have armv8

and not all software is built for 64 bit arm

[severe falcon]

Yeah i was just wondering if rpi released a 64bit raspian, im not too up to date with rpi

It also doesnt help that my rpis network chip died so it can never connect to the internet ever again

[subtle hawk]

it didn't

they have no reason to

[severe falcon]

Ehh maybe for the rpi 4

[subtle hawk]

1. compatibility is rip
2. the OS will be bloated because of the increase mem usage
3. the rpi doesn't have more than 4 GB of RAM
4. they don't have the manpower and time to maintain 2 versions of it

[severe falcon]

The really scary part is that armv7 lets you access the program counter, while armv8 doesnt, so technically im accessing a restricted register on my rpi

[subtle hawk]

also ARM 32 vs 64 boils down to 2 differences

unlike x32 arch chips

so there is no reason for them to invest time and money into something only few people will benefit from while hurting the rest

[severe falcon]

Well yeah but the performance of the rpi3 would go up, because armv7 only has 16 total registers of 32 bits, while armv8 has i think 32 of 64 bits each, both including ones you shouldnt touch

[subtle hawk]

that doesn't really matter

the perf was measured

and the change is insignificant

at the cost of losing compatibility

yeah some elliptic curve crypto algos get faster and some rendering apis benefit from it

but that's it

nothing else takes advantage of it

[severe falcon]

Ah i see, well maybe for the rpi 4 we can get more ram and a better processor, like the cortex a75

[subtle hawk]

a rpi is a embedded dev board

it doesn't need beef

what it needs is IO

if you want boards with beef there's alternatives on the market

they trade IO for moar powa

[severe falcon]

Ah so maybe like a 16 usb hub HAT for them

[subtle hawk]

for?

[severe falcon]

For io

[subtle hawk]

not USB

smh

GPIO

[severe falcon]

Oh you mean through the pins

[subtle hawk]

a rpi is used for it's engineering power

not compute power

[severe falcon]

Well i was thinking more about the rpi computing clusters that live off of usb

[subtle hawk]

that is just a waste of money

get a server

way more powerful and cheaper

than a army of rpis

and has a lot more instruction sets

[severe falcon]

Well yeah but you dont get to learn about setting up the actual supercomputer

[subtle hawk]

tell me how many engineers would/have/had worked on a supercomputer

[severe falcon]

Well yeah but how many are AROUND people that do?

[subtle hawk]

a cluster of pis is absolutely nothing remotely close to how a supercomputer works

[severe falcon]

I mean yeah but who has the hundred thousand to make their own full supercomputer?

[subtle hawk]

most ppl don't have a use for one in the first place

only scientists and few engineers have a use for one

[severe falcon]

Yeah but an amry of rpis can still be useful for smaller projects that would never be approved on an actual supercomputer

[subtle hawk]

like?

[severe falcon]

Idk i havent looked into what supercomps can do

[subtle hawk]

exactly

[severe falcon]

At least not specific things

[subtle hawk]

the things a supercomputer is useful for cannot be achieved by some rpis

[severe falcon]

I know of people who used the mathematica with an army to do some 3d graphical stuff

[subtle hawk]

and what can be achieved by those pis can be done on a single server or a swarm of containers or VMs

[severe falcon]

Well yeah but then you have to pay for mathematica

[subtle hawk]

but as a fun project to just do it for lolz I guess

[severe falcon]

Plus with the rpi zero, its super cheap

Also what kind of projects were you meaning when you said the rpi needs more io?

I never actually used the gpio on mine, i have an arduino for that stuff

[subtle hawk]

where you can bridge the power of linux

with the power of electronics

[severe falcon]

Ah, is it easy to use the gpio on rpi? Cuz then i might be able to actually use both arduinos and the rpi for stuff

Although i might have to use the actual arduino chips instead of the full boards

I dont think the rpi can handle 2 arduinos and its own gpio by itself

[mortal merlin]

Hell yes

Free sync butter smooth gameplay your mine

[severe falcon]

so this semester i have a data analytics class in python, and a data mining class in matlab, both of which are going over basically the same stuff. this wont be confusing in any way at all

[shy forum]

That feeling when @subtle hawk talks to me about bot development.

[subtle hawk]

[fiery dawn]

[languid saddle]

[severe falcon]

and if there was a weird looking owl in the background, that would be me

[subtle hawk]

Opening my KeePass database
on my laptop: 1 second
on my phone: 2 seconds
on my raspberry pi: 80 seconds

sounds like its CPU doesn't have AES accelerator

[severe falcon]

Well its cpu is also literally the worst half of any samsung 6 era phone processor

[subtle hawk]

Yeah

It's armv7 I think

Modern phones are v8