technology

[severe falcon]

tfw you take all the stuff out for the pic and then you dont remember which part went in which compartment in its case

[subtle hawk]

meh

I jjst chuck them all in one box

[severe falcon]

well i made it fit anyway

"delicate electronics"
rpi in backpack, toss backpack into car without care

[subtle hawk]

same

[brave anchor]

just asking expert there, Ryzen 5 2600 not compatible for android emulator?

[subtle hawk]

@brave anchor I'm not sure, I know ryzen pcs have problems with some Android tools but idk about emulators

[brave anchor]

ye, i planning to upgrade my own pc to Ryzen 5 next year

[subtle hawk]

just wait for Zen 2

those are gonna be spicy

[brave anchor]

let me google them

[tame topaz]

CES in 2 weeks!

[subtle hawk]

@tame topaz hyyyyype

[tame topaz]

[tame topaz]

Raun Forsyth is like Nokia's Jony Ive

https://youtu.be/CEoBuWSaWQM

He narrated a few phone introduction videos too I think.

[severe falcon]

the genius that decided all wireless devices use the same frequency and so they all interfere with each other should be given a nobel prize

new wireless headphones
wifi adapter throws a fit

[brave anchor]

[subtle hawk]

@severe falcon more like ur potato headphones use a frequency they're not supposed to touch

2.4 GHz is a big frequency

for example my wireless headset uses that frequency but doesn't interfere with the wifi

[severe falcon]

They are corsair void pro wireless, not potato headphones

Also i dont have evidence of it affecting it, it could just be the crappy internet is choosing to kick in only when im using them

[severe falcon]

ok so this TECHNICALLY is about technology, but my grandmother got me this for christmas, but its always hotter than 80F in my room cuz of my computer so the temp floats are all at the bottom

#thank you graphics card

[past bison]

in my case, its the cpu that is heating up the room the most

[subtle hawk]

@severe falcon is that a alcohol based thermometer

[severe falcon]

uhh i believe it is a form of alcohol

at least the original ancient one was an ethanol solution

[severe falcon]

anyone know of a controllable resistor? i know potentiometers exist but im looking for one that can be electronically controlled

[willow sedge]

hmm anyone know the shortcut for switching tab on chrome?

like i want to jump to the next one using keyboard?

[severe falcon]

@willow sedge ctrl + tab?

[willow sedge]

thanks alot @severe falcon ❤

[severe falcon]

@willow sedge its not like i just started pressing shortcuts until one worked, baka

[subtle hawk]

@severe falcon just pwm the output

still, what are you going to use that resistor for

[rocky quiver]

Ctrl+PgUp or Ctrl+PgDown

@willow sedge

[willow sedge]

o thx

[tame topaz]

I approve of everything about this module except the font.

Why did they have to use that font?!

[severe falcon]

@subtle hawk i was gonna use it to change volume of a buzzer, which the buzzer uses pwm to change the tone, so i need to change the actual voltage

[tame topaz]

There was an earlier version at Computex that used the original Trident Z logo and it was perfectly fine!

That font seriously detracted from the "royal" feel.

[subtle hawk]

just use pwm

[severe falcon]

But then the buzzer qont work

[subtle hawk]

duty cycle and frequency are different thing

[tame topaz]

I mean, look at this and tell me which you prefer

Better pic

[subtle hawk]

@tame topaz I'll get that RAM from my ryzen machine

[tame topaz]

Oof

Have fun with that font then

I like everything else about the thing tho

[severe falcon]

@subtle hawk i see what you mean now, the tutorial for the buzzer has no idea what its talking about XD

[subtle hawk]

you have arduino or something

[severe falcon]

Yeah

[subtle hawk]

nice

the best way though is to have fast timer interrupt and count the cycles to toggle instead

[severe falcon]

Yeah the tutorial said you couldnt use pwm with the tone() command, but in reality, you hust cant use pwm of pins 3 and 11 with tone()

[subtle hawk]

but I think tone() already does that

[severe falcon]

Basically i want the tone to fade out in volume insted of just cutting off

[subtle hawk]

ah

well, fading out requires constant pulse width changes

[severe falcon]

Oh dear, im gonna need to do some math, cuz i cant use analogwrite for buzzers

[tame topaz]

Definitely would wanna get into Arduino

But I can't think of an use for it

[severe falcon]

Currently im just messing around with them, although i have a carbon monoxide sniffer, so i could make a CO alarm

Speculation time, what do you think the specs of a siren's gaming comp are?

[mental coyote]

Skynet

[severe falcon]

Skynet is software, not hardware tho

Do you think their graphics cards also have tentacles?

[subtle hawk]

[tame topaz]

@severe falcon Speaking of which, been having the idea of them treating the universe like a computer and then start fucking it up beyond repair with random fuckery

A la Vinesauce Joel

[severe falcon]

Pretty sure thats exactly what zuikaku was doing

Wait who was rebel in this event?

[tame topaz]

What event?

[severe falcon]

The current one

Divergent chessboard

[tame topaz]

Clone Tirpitz became sentient

[severe falcon]

And then she killed the other clones right?

[tame topaz]

Sucks how she wasn't able to do anything before getting oofed by our fleet's clones

No she didn't kill the other clones

[severe falcon]

Oh yeah

[tame topaz]

And by fuckery I mean of this kind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh0bczrw4NU

oof

[severe falcon]

You dont have to destroy win10 tho, its already broken

[tame topaz]

oof

No going back anyway

8.1 was worse

[severe falcon]

Sitting here with win7, watching the rest of the world burn

[tame topaz]

oofers

You have like a year left until support ends

If you don't wanna pay for updates

those scums

[severe falcon]

Ehhh who cares about support

Half the business servers in my area are still xp or vista cuz the new OSs cant run the software

[tame topaz]

Tester Beta Wrecks the Universe
(By some random fuckery)

[severe falcon]

Thats tentacle chick right?

[tame topaz]

I think so

[severe falcon]

I kinda want to make a siren themed gaming comp

Their colors are really good, greys and whites with yellow leds

[tame topaz]

Jevil is a Siren

[severe falcon]

Jevil?

[tame topaz]

Guess you don't play Deltarune then, alright.

[severe falcon]

Nop

Isnt that the thing like undertale?

[tame topaz]

Yeah.

Sequel/spiritual successor of sorts, we still don't know.

[severe falcon]

I avoided the undertale fandom cuz i saw it for what it truly was

It was homestuck with a dlc skin

[tame topaz]

I mean dev worked for Homestuck so oof

Awesome game if you ignore the fandom

Don't stereotype, buddy.

[severe falcon]

Yeah the works, like homestuck and undertale are great, the fandom breaks everything though

[tame topaz]

That I have to agree.

[severe falcon]

Oh get this, so my rpi usb fan broke its usb

It took the plastic part with it so theres just metal prongs in that usb now

[tame topaz]

Big oof

So hey uh any beginner Arduino projects you'd recommend?

Just scared that I may get bored easily.

[severe falcon]

Start with just the arduino and use its LED and serial communication for stuff

An easy complex project would be sending it a string and have it blink the morse code for that string

[tame topaz]

Alrighty then.

[severe falcon]

I hooked mine up and apprently the last program i had on it was reading temp, but i didnt know the arduino had a built in thermometer

[tame topaz]

What model do you have though?

Oh and btw I'm not prepared to permanantly solder an Arduino onto somewhere

[severe falcon]

Oh im not soldering anything

I have 2 uno r3s

[tame topaz]

Tried and true eh? Got it.

[severe falcon]

Used a teensy for a lab but its just too small

[tame topaz]

Huh, never heard of that one before.

[severe falcon]

Its not an arduino but you can add mods to the arduino ide to get it to work with them

[tame topaz]

That's cool.

[severe falcon]

The lab did end with making a gui on a raspberry pi where where you could control an rgb led by using serial to tell the teensy how to color it, complete with error checking on the data it sent

[severe falcon]

Im currently testing how fast the led has to blink before it looks solid

Also who even uses IDEs

[subtle hawk]

I do

[severe falcon]

But which ones

[subtle hawk]

XCode

Android Studio

Visual Studio

[severe falcon]

Ah

I tried VS but i just couldnt get used to it

[subtle hawk]

https://i.imgur.com/BvCMsm1.png

[severe falcon]

The only ide i use, which i dont anymore, is an old c++ compiler called bloodshed

Wait no its called dev c++ but its made by bloodshed

[subtle hawk]

oh good god

not that thing

[severe falcon]

I like it

Rn though im only using gedit and arduino ide on my rpi for all my programming

[tame topaz]

My only experience with coding is Scratch, so where should I continue? Python?

[severe falcon]

@subtle hawk what do you think he should move to?

I started with c++ and then c and now im on java almost exclusively so idk what would be a good transition language

Scratch is like the drag n drop programming thing right?

[tame topaz]

Yeah.

Very basic stuff, but at least helped me to understand programming logic a bit.

Made some bullet hell prototypes with it. Fun times.

[severe falcon]

Well if you want move to something more advanced and useful, c++, c, or java, but id recommend java cuz itll be easier when doing the more complicated stuff

Also apparently i can tell a 40fps LED is blinking insted of being solid

But thats about the limit

[stone wave]

On an unrelated note, any US customers on CenturyLink, RIP

1 to 2 day downtime for them

[severe falcon]

Like right now?

@stone wave cuz i think my friend has it

[stone wave]

yeah within the last few hours

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2018/12/centurylink-we-are-working-to-restore-services-as-quickly-as-possible/

It's bad cause I think they also handle phonelines, which includes card readers, emergency services (e.g. 911)

[severe falcon]

Pretty sure 911 has a few backups though

[stone wave]

Yeah they do, but when I was checking into it at least one county had their services knocked down for a short while.

[severe falcon]

Oof

[stone wave]

basically big oof

https://twitter.com/cc_sheriff/status/1078349949786615808

cc_sheriff (@cc_sheriff)

EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION

The Centurylink System has crashed and all 9-1-1 and administration lines for the SEACOM and Sheriff's Office are down. It appears that Cochise County 9-1-1 systems are down as well. Please call... https://t.co/fkPxZO195T

Twitter

[severe falcon]

@tame topaz what should i make with my arduino rn?

Also @stone wave its not a complete outage, there is at least one confirmed centurylink user who still has internet here

[stone wave]

I just imagine that guy being in the eye of the storm lmao

sell/offer internet access to people like in that one episode of south park

[brave anchor]

any screen recorder recommend? willing to record the live2d skin from emulator

[past bison]

sharex? open broadcaster software (aka obs)?

possible to set up sharex for both mp4 and gif recordings

[brave anchor]

[past bison]

i have this extremely odd issue with my pc where the gpus display outputs dies when i have world of warships open, only happens with world of warships, never with any of the other games

[subtle hawk]

check you resolution settings

[past bison]

1080p, same as my monitors

and it happens after having the game open for some time, sometimes it happens after just 30 minutes or less, some times i can have it open for many hours before it happens

[tame topaz]

What memory card speed would you recommend for 4K 30 fps?

[subtle hawk]

@tame topaz class 10 and up

or UHS class 1

[tame topaz]

Alrighty.

[subtle hawk]

class 3 is for 4K@60 and up

basically calculate the throughput that you'll need

but if you're not sure check the manual for your camera/phone

it should say there what class of card is needed

[tame topaz]

Phone doesn't specify.

[severe falcon]

When your rpi starts running a little warm so you spend $4 on a fan, but then it ends up being better than most laptop cooling systems

[flint bobcat]

kek

[tame topaz]

MAINSTREAM NVIDIA GPUS ARE DEAD https://videocardz.com/79505/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-pricing-and-performance-leaked#disqus_thread

[tidal hill]

im still running a 970 but its starting to die on me in monster hunter world i get shit frames in some shit maps (fuck rotten vale) at mid settings but the cards are so shittily priced i cant do a shit about it shittttt

was planning to get a 1070 but gtx cards are already starting to become rare here

[fickle crest]

My 960 runs MHW smooth on medium high o.o

[subtle hawk]

my GPU can't be this cute

[languid saddle]

That's a cute GPU cover tho

[flint bobcat]

@subtle hawk what a weeb

[mental coyote]

Like yer gonna complain about a cute girl on yer technology boxes.

[flint bobcat]

I wouldn’t complain, I nodded my world of warships with kancolle

[slow quiver]

@tidal hill That sounds like a CPU problem to me. I run a 970 in MHW and I ge 55fps+ at any time unless Im fighting someone like Behemot using Ecliptic Meteor or Teostra's explosions and a combination with Lunastra explosion

[subtle hawk]

@tidal hill I suggest waiting for Navi to come out

then decide on either a AMD card or a RTX equivalent

[tidal hill]

yep hope amd has something new to offer, they've been selling the same chip for almost 3 years

also anyone has lineageOS on their android? wondering if splitscreening youtube and azur lane on it will cause azur lane to pause everytime i click on the youtube tab

[mental coyote]

I've used LOS. That and its descendant Resurrection Remix. Frankly, yer better just rooting stock with Magisk, IMHO.

Unless yer device has shitty support, then Lineage can at least offer a newer ROM

[tidal hill]

looking for a rom capable of splitscreening two running apps simultaneously without pausing one or the other

[tame topaz]

tfw your phone has no custom recovery available for download

[subtle hawk]

@tidal hill it won't happen

AL is specifically made to pause when it gets out of focus

[mental coyote]

Tfw when yer phone blocks OEM unlock.

[subtle hawk]

tfw your phone has open source kernel before OTA update was released

[mental coyote]

Oooh. Shiny.

[tidal hill]

works perfectly fine on MIUI tho, is MIUI the only one capable of this? if so then i'll stick with this legendary rom, just preferred the look of LineageOS that's why i was considering switching but guess MIUI has a trump card

[subtle hawk]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'm on stock android and the game pauses in battle if I tap out

unless MIUI makes it so that both have focus at once

[tame topaz]

Flyme has the dual screen function too

It's fun

Game freezes when you tap out of it but not in actual gameplay, which is interesting to say the least

[subtle hawk]

hmm

[brave anchor]

this is sexy tho

[subtle hawk]

Should I switch to the Note 9 as my daily driver?

[brave anchor]

i should get ROG phone with it's gear

[subtle hawk]

I was thinking of getting it as well

but outside of AL I don't really game on my phone

[brave anchor]

i watching the open box review of rog phone

[subtle hawk]

the pelican case thing is only for reviewers

[mental coyote]

MIUI is heavily hacked past stock.

[subtle hawk]

sasuga Xiaomi

so is Samsung Experience

[mental coyote]

Or Zen UI

[brave anchor]

hmm

[subtle hawk]

but rlly tho

which flagship should I stick with

or wait for this year's releases

[tidal hill]

would get note 9 if i had monehz but im happy with poco f1

[subtle hawk]

the reason why I'm considering the note 9 is bcz galaxy watch

[brave anchor]

ROG phone gaming stick is limited tho

[tidal hill]

there's something ancient yet modern about using a stylus

[subtle hawk]

ikr

[mental coyote]

Code yer font into cuneiform ... go real oldschool.

[brave anchor]

[tidal hill]

and the stylus tracking feels so good from what i've tried in stores but i ain't paying an extra 600 just to use a stylus

[subtle hawk]

well my old workplace and my current carrier allows me to get a flagship for free with my contract

[mental coyote]

Noice

[brave anchor]

woo

[tidal hill]

then get the most expensive one

[subtle hawk]

the ROG phone and Razer 2 are out of the question

[brave anchor]

ok, this is insane tho

[tame topaz]

Iirc we do sell the pelican case here

Ridiculously expensive

[brave anchor]

external battery with display

[tame topaz]

Still excited how I got a Nokia 8.1 for so damn cheap tho

[subtle hawk]

so I'm looking at getting the black Note 9 + the new Galaxy Watch

[tame topaz]

Banana S Pen

[brave anchor]

[subtle hawk]

not a fan of bright colors

[tame topaz]

Every Note 9 S Pen is yellow

[subtle hawk]

no

[tame topaz]

Is it?

[subtle hawk]

only for the blue one

the pink one it's pink

the black one is black

[brave anchor]

it look like easy to get micro scratch

[tame topaz]

Ah.

[tidal hill]

dat price tag doe

[tame topaz]

Oh doggy glass phones.

Hope I don't drop it.

[subtle hawk]

I have a Pixel 1 XL

that thing is like a glass statue

[tame topaz]

https://youtu.be/jGlXvoSlHaM

Seems like an absolute tank.

Like usual Nokia

[subtle hawk]

sasuga Nokia

well to be fair phone glass is a lot more durable than other kind of glass

[brave anchor]

take nokia 9 then

[subtle hawk]

what is that spider eye looking camera

[tame topaz]

I mean I already got the 8.1 for 88 freaking percent off, so no thanks

5 cameras

[brave anchor]

it say " 5 Camera on real"

[tame topaz]

And I thought the A9 was insane.

[subtle hawk]

[tame topaz]

Four cameras

[brave anchor]

Nokia 9 PureView

5.9" 1440x2960 AMOLED screen

Snapdragon 845 chipset

8GB of RAM

128GB of storage (expandable via microSD)

A whopping five cameras on the back (plus a depth sensor), a 12 MP selfie shooter

4,150 mAh battery.

[tame topaz]

Main, depth sensor, wide angle, 2x optical (Galaxy A9)

[tidal hill]

2030: 10 cameras

[tame topaz]

Got a feeling they're bringing back PureView for this as well.

[subtle hawk]

that is 3 too many

[tame topaz]

To each their own.

tfw you can't afford actual DSLR

[subtle hawk]

my sister has a DSLR

that she doesn't use

[brave anchor]

steal it

[tidal hill]

playing around with settings and i found this in developer options, disabling this causes the phone to lose its simultaneous splitscreen ability

[past bison]

i would rather want a bigger camera sensor (preferably still a rather low mp but big in terms of sqmm) than more camera sensors

[tidal hill]

but google gonna make this happen in android Q so that's good shit, but for now i guess only miui and flymeOS has it

[tame topaz]

Any utilities you guys recommend for stressing RAM?

[past bison]

memtest86

or intel burn test

aida64 has some ram setting as well

[tame topaz]

BCLK seems like risky business so I think I'll just stick to 2666 for now.

[tame topaz]

AGESA 1.0.0.6 eh?

[past bison]

bclk changes every frequency that is using the bclk as base clock, includes memory, pcie, chipset, etc

[subtle hawk]

BCLK is The Base Clock

the foundation for all system clocks

[past bison]

amd systems prior to ryzen used a bclk of 200mhz while ryzen and intel systems uses 100mhz

[subtle hawk]

no they didn't

they all ran on 100MHz BCLK

but you could push the FX chips to 200MHz without any problems

[past bison]

all the amd bulldozer and piledriver systems i saw used 200mhz bclk

[subtle hawk]

yeah because they had it pushed beyond the 100MHz default

the newer chips are more effective in increasing the multiplier

rather than the BCLK

I mean the world record was achieved by a FX-8350 that ran with almost a 300MHz BCLK

[tame topaz]

Jesus

[subtle hawk]

it was 200 MHz off breaking the 9GHz mark

[tame topaz]

Also jesus

[mental coyote]

Get much past that, you create Skynet

[tame topaz]

I read that 8.429 is world record.

[subtle hawk]

that was ages ago

rn it's 8.794 if I'm not mistaken

[tame topaz]

And wow I feel proud that my country hosted the highest GPU OC ever

In GOC a few months ago

It was at the other end of the country tho. Shame.

[tidal hill]

if AMD wanted to they can create a new version of the 8350 specifically made for OCing and that'll probably hit 9

[tame topaz]

Seems like this memtest86 pass is gonna go past midnight.

[brave anchor]

HMM. time to upgrade my graphic card

[tidal hill]

wow haven't heard of anthem in so long rip hype

[tame topaz]

Waiting for AMD

[brave anchor]

Something good news from AMD?

[languid saddle]

Ryzen with Vega

[brave anchor]

Zen 2 u mean?

[languid saddle]

Basically an APU may be better than a CPU + Dedicated GPU

[brave anchor]

I have enough budget to change whole pc to ryzen 5 with 2070 already, but if AMD have better , might change my mind

Since not sure the price of ryzen zen2 CPU and motherboard yet

[languid saddle]

Less than a single Intel CPU for sure

[brave anchor]

ROG phone vs whole new PC

[languid saddle]

[brave anchor]

Wtf, China make lappy CPU fit into desktop motherboard

What kind of abomination is that

https://youtu.be/tvXfgdyQxPQ

[subtle hawk]

@languid saddle I'm gonna drop a big doubt on that

integrated GPUs will never outperform dedicated ones

[brave anchor]

[languid saddle]

I mean, not the top ones but yes the average ones

I'm kinda surprised with Vega actually

[subtle hawk]

no it won't

[languid saddle]

Some spanish guys OCced the Ryzen 3 2200G GPU from 1 GHz to 1.7 GHz and had a really good performance at 1080p average game play

[subtle hawk]

there's a very big difference between having your own PDS and VRAM and sharing that with the CPU which is on the same dye

it's simple engineering really

[languid saddle]

Yeah ik

[brave anchor]

Free used AVR from customer

[subtle hawk]

a UPS would've been nice

since most PSUs have AVRs built in

[brave anchor]

Better than using normal extension

But my place haven't encounter power shortage problem since I move in already 5 years

[subtle hawk]

trust me it's exactly the same

that little box won't do anything for a pc

for a boiler or a AC unit yes

[brave anchor]

Hmm, it might costy for get new UPS

[subtle hawk]

for a pc no

yeah UPSs aren't cheap

150$ or so for the cheapest ones

[brave anchor]

Hope my commission get better number in this month

Need to change new phone, new PC and settle my house loan asap

[subtle hawk]

ripp

[brave anchor]

I want be this level of rich

[tame topaz]

1 week till CES, baybee!

Hype levels U N R E A L

[topaz kestrel]

can't wait for last gen stuff to be cheaper in my country

[tame topaz]

Can't wait for 6 core Ryzen 3 if the leaks are real

[topaz kestrel]

slap some vega graphics in it then amd could just take my savings away

[tame topaz]

Same here

Don't care if my cheapo B350 suffers for it

Navi in Ryzen

Now we're talking

Guess we'll know soon enough

Now let us anticipate the shitstorm that is RTX 2060

Hoo boy

[topaz kestrel]

could the rtx 2060 even handle ray tracing?

[languid saddle]

[tame topaz]

[languid saddle]

USBs in a nutshell

[tame topaz]

88 fps 1080p in Battlefield V with RTX Ultra +DLSS

With everything else on lowest settings probably

[languid saddle]

oof

[tame topaz]

Claims 110 fps with no RTX

(Note: achieved with Core i9 7900X)

[languid saddle]

[tame topaz]

Guess we'll see how that goes.

6 different versions, jesus

[topaz kestrel]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-3800x-matisse-listed-with-16-cores-and-125w-tdp

[brave anchor]

[tidal hill]

rip intel affordability

[severe falcon]

Speaking of watts, i did a required wattage calculator and found out im running about 250 more watts than i need

[subtle hawk]

[severe falcon]

I was looking around at programming horrors, does z23 sensei have any @subtle hawk ?

[subtle hawk]

some

bcz I can't be arsed to spend half an hour cleaning everything

[severe falcon]

Anything like

    return false;
}```

[subtle hawk]

god no

variables that may be true

yes

checks before code is ran

[severe falcon]

Anyone used notepad on win 10 and realized that microsoft changed it so that you can only undo the ONE last thing that you did?

Actually from thinking about it, either the undo history is only one action, or since pressing ctrl z multiple times just undoes and redoes the same action, maybe its just an absolutely horrible glitch

Where undoing something counts as the most recent action, so it undoes the undo

[topaz kestrel]

oh you're right

like the old photoshop undo

[past bison]

photoshop is still like that unless you press shift as well, then it has 20 history stages saved by default, can be changed depending on how much memory/disk space you want it to be able to use

[severe falcon]

i mean i can understand photoshop having limited history cuz of the sheer amount of data you can change with one action, but for text editing thats just stupid

now on my school's lab computers, the first thing i do is download notepad++

[topaz kestrel]

@past bison actually the 2019 version now sets ctrl+z as the default undo, instead of the "toggle last state," which is the one like what notepad does now

either ways you could just change it in the keyboard shortcuts in ps

[past bison]

im still using ps cc 2015

[topaz kestrel]

ah well I just updated since I had to redownload coz I lost all my stuff in my hard drive

[past bison]

i havent reinstalled since i updated to win10 when it just launched

[severe falcon]

i have gimp, you may laugh now

[subtle hawk]

@severe falcon pls

gimp is the best option on linux

[severe falcon]

im on windows

[past bison]

gimp is actually a good free alternative to ps

[subtle hawk]

ye

unless ur an artist

then SAI is 👌

[severe falcon]

and actually i normally choose paint over gimp for most things

[past bison]

but sai isnt free

at least not that i have seen

[subtle hawk]

but it's sooooooo goooood

[severe falcon]

i just wish paint could do transparency, it would be 10x more useful

[past bison]

some artists makes some damn good art in photoshop because of their brush set up

[subtle hawk]

there's paint 3D and sketch now

[past bison]

paint3d is decent, its better than previous paint version

[topaz kestrel]

man I have a tablet but I suck at drawing

[past bison]

but its not on par with gimp and photoshop

[severe falcon]

i have kolourpaint(?) on my rpi that is basically paint but with pallettes and transparency

[topaz kestrel]

well it's not really an art tablet, more like an entry-level signature tab

[severe falcon]

it also separated the eraser tool into just eraser or color swap

although if i make a .png with java and every pixel is transparent, it shows as white instead of transparent on KP

or maybe it was black, cant remember but it wasnt transparent

i managed to make these tiles for a game i am working on abandoned

[flint bobcat]

[severe falcon]

@flint bobcat you are the one doing the VN right? need any programming help so far?

[flint bobcat]

@severe falcon nah, everything is going smoothly

ill ask later for help

[severe falcon]

okay. so if you had to guess how much is done so far? 10%?

[flint bobcat]

more than 10%

around 35-40%

i implemented most of the core stuff

[severe falcon]

oh my, seems like you are on quite a productive pace

[brave anchor]

aw yiss

[topaz kestrel]

that 6C/12T R3 3300 at just $99

[brave anchor]

i would take R5 3600

[topaz kestrel]

amd's gonna kill quad cores

higher cores mainstream

[severe falcon]

still rocking the FX 6300 over here and these numbers are scaring me

the R3 3300X is basically my processor but add 6 more cores and rename all the cores to threads

[brave anchor]

time to upgrade XD

[severe falcon]

and i paid around the same price for it like 4 or 5 years ago

[brave anchor]

3300 have 12 threads 😄

[severe falcon]

id have to upgrade the whole system, and i dont have that kind of money cuz college

except for the PSU and drives, those could stay

[brave anchor]

that price allow me to upgrade more thing

[severe falcon]

id need a new case cuz currently im running on ITX and despite 7 fans running, its still over 80 F in my room

[brave anchor]

[severe falcon]

i got one of those glass float temp things and the top one is 80 so i dont even know exactly how hot it is in here

[brave anchor]

am using CM trooper case

so i can carry my casing easily

[severe falcon]

am using this

[brave anchor]

oh, box case

[severe falcon]

its actually pretty good, but im at its limit, i have 3 HDDs and a fan controller plus 7 fans and a GTX 950, so its pretty cramped

gotta hand it to AMD though, im still using the factory heatsink that came with the processor and its never had a problem with heat

[brave anchor]

was think about box case before i bought the Cooler master Trooper .

but the HDD limit bugged me

[severe falcon]

never go ITX, you will regret

unless you move it a bunch

[brave anchor]

you can think about this

lan box case with ATX support

[severe falcon]

i got it cuz i used to have to carry this beast up to the third floor when i was in college dorms.
all steel case btw

[brave anchor]

what that

Lian li?

[severe falcon]

rosewill thor v2

it can do one size higher than ATX

[brave anchor]

ex atx

[severe falcon]

yeah that one

but empty it weighed about 30 lbs so when it was full i died trying to carry it

[brave anchor]

then dont do that XD

[severe falcon]

yeah but i bricked the mobo so i decided to get ITX

[brave anchor]

oh god

[severe falcon]

i tried reinstalling my dual ATI cards that were far better than my 950 but i guess one or both of them died so when i turned it on the bios never showed up

[brave anchor]

time to buy vega RX

[severe falcon]

honestly id settle for my dual cards rn, the only problem is they were getting quite hot even when sounding like jet engines

[brave anchor]

[severe falcon]

the scary part is that i only let the fans get to 80% speed cuz any faster was loud enough for my roommate to hear it through headphones

[brave anchor]

you should change whole new system

[severe falcon]

ye im gonna do it

but look at my old beautiful monsters

tfw reccommended PSU wattage is at 709 watts and your PSU is at 750

[brave anchor]

that not good

[severe falcon]

that was old setup now with the ITX its recommended is 418 and i still have the 750

[tame topaz]

Sapphire still makes some excellent stuff

[severe falcon]

do they make any nvidia stuff?

cuz id steal those fans from my old cards and strap them onto my case if i could

[tame topaz]

They've always stuck with AMD since the beginning and I don't think that's ever gonna change. @severe falcon

Also ATI

[severe falcon]

oof
im still mad at amd for dropping support for my still perfectly useful cards a week before i got to play my preordered Just Cause 3 (which i think we all know how that ended up) so im kinda never buying amd cards again

[tame topaz]

sucks how they sold their mobile graphics division too iirc

Adreno is an anagram of Radeon. Learned that recently.

They really could've ruled the mobile graphics space.

[severe falcon]

those ATI card sold me on crossfire and SLI, they were 2010 cards that together could beat a 2016 gtx 950 in 2016, probably even up to a 970

[tame topaz]

Damn that sucks

[severe falcon]

wheres your moores law now?

[tame topaz]

Effectively dead for a while now actually

[severe falcon]

true

lets just go past the power wall, im sure itll be fine

[tame topaz]

There are some techs that are being developed in hopes of keeping it alive

[severe falcon]

i remember an 80s anime that showed the bios of a computer that was in the year 2040, and its cpu was hitting Terahertz cuz they calculated moores law

[tame topaz]

Oof

A few weeks ago engineers managed to make 3nm transistors

Not sure how practical it would be to make though

[severe falcon]

seems like electron leaks would be unavoidable at that size

i thought they were having problems at 7nm

[tame topaz]

Intel is already having issues with 10

And AMD is expected to reveal 7nm stuff at CES soon

Though they did unveil a 7nm graphics card for the business side

[severe falcon]

there will come a point where we decide the physical size of the cpu is too small, and i will be horrified at that moment

[tame topaz]

Yep.

Technology would effectively come to a standstill.

Can't imagine how that would go.

Oh wait no I think I misread

[severe falcon]

although perhaps they could change to where we would have CPU cards and there isnt a processor directly on the mobo

mobos just become walls of ram and PCIE

[tame topaz]

So basically the Altair 8800 all over again.

That was in the 70s btw

[severe falcon]

huh, i like it though

[tame topaz]

Would you call that progress or regression should that happen?

[severe falcon]

well not only would CPUs have more space on the same size as a GPU card, but would could place two of them on there

i think it would be slow progress, much like IPv6

[tame topaz]

Maybe, yeah.

[severe falcon]

but eventually it would happen

[tame topaz]

The prospect of having 2 CPUs on the same card like how GPUs did it sounds interesting.

[severe falcon]

i dont think they could behave as 2 CPUS though, i think it would have to be more like how phones have 2 cpus, its just one cpu with 2 smaller cpus inside it and then 4 cpus acting as cores for each of those

[tame topaz]

Ah yes coprocessors! I forgot about them.

Maybe they will see a resurgence in the future but with different functionality?

[severe falcon]

but a coprocessor on these non mobile big bois sounds like absolute chaos

[tame topaz]

I mean, again, 80s.

[severe falcon]

yeah but 80s didnt have like 24nm @ 3.5 ghz

thats some serious power right there

and also, other than servers or supercomputers, what would we need that much power for?

maybe CPUS will hit a stall and just become cheaper and cheaper until a comp costs cents and we recognize our robot overlords

[tame topaz]

Alright time for me to bail, see ya

[severe falcon]

me too i have work in the morning XD

[tame topaz]

Wew lad

[brave anchor]

isthat for me 😄

[severe falcon]

BOI

[languid dune]

woowwy

[tame topaz]

Got it for super dirt cheap too as part of a deal

Thing was like 87 percent off.

[languid saddle]

[severe falcon]

Guys help i think my computer has become self aware

the temp reading is 29 C for my GPU and 22 C for my CPU, its running the coldest it has ever run and the blue temp float (76 F) has never floated before

[hoary panther]

[tame topaz]

Reminder that Windows XP officially dies this year.

[subtle hawk]

good

[past bison]

xp should have died a long time ago

[subtle hawk]

now Vista and 7 up on the chopping block

[tame topaz]

Extended support for 7 ends next year.

Vista died 2 years ago.

[zealous herald]

Guys, do you know if iPhone coordinates are more accurate than Android's? When you need to locate your phone etc

[subtle hawk]

no they're not

phones have a accuracy of a couple tens of meters

[severe falcon]

unless youre in a building, then its a couple of BLOCKS

GPS: i think you're somewhere in texas

[zealous herald]

I see. Thank you guys

[tame topaz]

tfw AMD used to have SanDiego core chips

Well I mean they are based in San Diego but still

[mental coyote]

San Diego chips, eh ...

[subtle hawk]

fun fact

@flint bobcat and @atomic tinsel might be also interested

[atomic tinsel]

wat

oh

nice

[subtle hawk]

wrong one

[flint bobcat]

Wat

[subtle hawk]

I have 2 nimis running

[flint bobcat]

Wait

[atomic tinsel]

[subtle hawk]

!ev this.client --depth=-1

[unkempt slate]

Output:js [Nimi]
Type:ts Nimi
⏱ 21.80μs

[tame topaz]

oof

[mental coyote]

NimiYes

[subtle hawk]

Nimi type

not zed

who calls her zed will get owarida'd

[tame topaz]

I always pronounce the Z as "zee"

Rolls off the tongue better

[severe falcon]

@subtle hawk but can we call her Zimi?

[subtle hawk]

no

[severe falcon]

i think yamato might be a bot, that response was microseconds

@subtle hawk real question now, can the bots interact with each other?

like the 2 nimis

[subtle hawk]

no

they don't know the other exists

and yes I am a Fleet of Fog AI and Mental Model

designation: Yamato

[severe falcon]

but is it possible for them to know that the other exists?

[subtle hawk]

well ye

if I connect them to the same source

[severe falcon]

source? like you mean discord server or where their code is actually running?

[subtle hawk]

their state sources

[severe falcon]

ah i see

i think we should have an entire fleet of nimis for april fools, all named something slightly different

[subtle hawk]

sandy

[severe falcon]

Oh i didnt even think of that, they all need to spam sandy emotes in #461381136661217283

[mental coyote]

Speak of Sandy, and her fandom appears.
Techwise: Those new AMD chips look pretty nice, eh?

[subtle hawk]

they look

[mental coyote]

🔥

[severe falcon]

But if you run them without a heatsink, can they still fry bacon?

[languid saddle]

No, sadly

[flint bobcat]

I finally know how to do sorting algorithm

[severe falcon]

Which sorting algorithm?

[subtle hawk]

[severe falcon]

@flint bobcat i swear if its bogo sort

[flint bobcat]

bogo?

its swap

wait

[severe falcon]

So bubble sort?

[flint bobcat]

uh

[subtle hawk]

he likes them bubbles

[flint bobcat]

it compares

[subtle hawk]

[flint bobcat]

i guess its bubble

[severe falcon]

Yeah it sounds like bubble

But bogo sort is literally worst sorting algorithm

Sort by throwing all of the items on the ground and hope they sorted themselves

[subtle hawk]

and they say you can't have many peripherals to ur pc

[flint bobcat]

oh wait, its selection sort

[subtle hawk]

should probably remove the wrist rest

[severe falcon]

Oh selection

[flint bobcat]

yeah it is

[severe falcon]

Well its a start, but you gotta learn about TIME COMPLEXITY

[flint bobcat]

[severe falcon]

internal screeching from flashbacks

[subtle hawk]

oh don't get me started on complexity formulas

also the music code in @unkempt slate development rn is absolute garbage

[severe falcon]

Boi i just say binary sort and call it a day, n*logn time

[subtle hawk]

it works 50% of the time

none of the time

[severe falcon]

Oh

Do you know why its failing?

[subtle hawk]

ofc I know

being a PITA to fix doe

[severe falcon]

@flint bobcat if you wanna know anything more about algorithms or comp stuff, i like to show off my knowledge like a complete asshole so go ahead and mention me

[flint bobcat]

honestly, the next thing i want to do is string search

like what linux does on CLI

[severe falcon]

You mean string matching on text?

[flint bobcat]

ye

[severe falcon]

Like what ctrl+f does?

[flint bobcat]

not quite

but when you type

it gives you a dropdown of the matching characters

like what some web pages do

[severe falcon]

Oh like autocomplete

[flint bobcat]

like what google does

[severe falcon]

I see, that might actually be easier than ctrl+f

[flint bobcat]

lol

[severe falcon]

You just need a list of all possible things you could enter, like with the cli you would need every command

[subtle hawk]

since when does the CLI have a dropdown

[flint bobcat]

i didnt mean CLI

[severe falcon]

Well with most CLI if you hit tab twice, it shows you all the commands that match so far

Wait no thats minecraft

Tab just cycles on CLI

[subtle hawk]

bash does that too

double tab and it gives u all the options

but I remember them by memory so no need for that

[severe falcon]

Ah i thought so, its windows cmd prompt that cycles

[subtle hawk]

even got macros in my bash config

[severe falcon]

Although cmd prompt isnt case sensitive which helps if i forget something is capitalized

So @flint bobcat what is this for? Just like messing around to learn?

[flint bobcat]

ye, just learning

also bored rn

[subtle hawk]

hi bored

I'm dad

[flint bobcat]

hi dad

[severe falcon]

So aria is nimis sibling?

[flint bobcat]

[severe falcon]

Aria are you boy or girl? WHAT PRONOUNS DO I NEED

[flint bobcat]

i am male

[subtle hawk]

trap

[severe falcon]

Ok glad i asked cuz i was gonna say nimis sister and then corrected it

[subtle hawk]

idk if reposti or not

[severe falcon]

I prefer to beat my drones if they misbehave

[subtle hawk]

https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/dell-latitude-7400-price-specs-release-date-3641108

[severe falcon]

my dumb netbook advertised 8 hours of battery life but got like 2 cuz minecraft beta

Also i will admit i used to hardcore play minecraft at 15 fps

And i wonder why my eyes are awful

[flint bobcat]

$1000 shitty MacBook vs $1000 custom built

[severe falcon]

vs $1000 desktop

Battery life: whenever the coal runs out

@flint bobcat what do you have for your program so far? Also what language?

[flint bobcat]

it was just a simple sorting algorithm made in c++

[severe falcon]

Ah a language i can actually help with

uses printf in c++

[flint bobcat]

printf

i think using prinf is more usefull

and scanf

[severe falcon]

Yeah but technically you are supposed to use cout (even though i habe no idea how to format with that so i just use those too)

[brave anchor]

ROG phone look more sharp than Iphone XR

[tame topaz]

https://youtu.be/e9DfSCk-6Ko

[tame topaz]

Good one on Asus Vietnam! They do know their tech support.

Basically guy complains about his H170 motherboard still having the LEDs on it remaining on.

[flint bobcat]

If I want to do string sorting, from a-z would a way be that you do character search within each string in an array. If one is higher, they get swapped

[languid dune]

suggestions on monitors under 100$ USD?

I got a old Acer rn

I have a x203w and looking for a major upgrade

I am looking at maybe getting this: https://www.amazon.com/Acer-SB220Q-Ultra-Thin-Frame-Monitor/dp/B07CVL2D2S/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1546808189&sr=1-6&keywords=gaming+Monitors

[loud schooner]

If you can't even afford to get a decent monitor, I wouldn't bother getting into gaming or anything like that

[subtle hawk]

the monitor isn't the be all and end all

[topaz kestrel]

you guys know any cheap but decent 500w power supply? I'm not too familiar with the power supply market

[brave anchor]

Cooler Master

[tidal hill]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151095

[topaz kestrel]

damnit, shipping and customs add like another 50% to the price

[subtle hawk]

@topaz kestrel anything 80+ rated and is branded with a known name (evga, thermaltake, seasonic, etc) is fine imo

[past bison]

asus rog mothership... a gaming "laptop"...

[tame topaz]

Ugh, 350 bucks for a supposedly mid-range card

"RTX for everyone" my ass.

[past bison]

350 usd is cheap for a gpu today

[tame topaz]

Puh-lease, used RX 570s here typically run for less than 86.3 dollars.

[severe falcon]

@flint bobcat mention me whenever you get on and i can help with your string sorting algorithm, but basically yes, compare characters of each string

[topaz kestrel]

damn I wanna grab it so bad, but that no ratings intrigues me

that's like short of 51 usd

[brave anchor]

it like scam tho

[topaz kestrel]

yeah that's the flag

but hey it's cash on delivery so I can check it beforehand

[tame topaz]

Hmm

[subtle hawk]

https://thenextweb.com/dd/2019/01/05/github-now-gives-free-users-unlimited-private-repositories/

I trust in reliability

and I can't guarantee that with selfhosting

[severe falcon]

tfw you are using 10991/12288 MB of your RAM

[mental coyote]

Might be time for 16

[subtle hawk]

http://nyamato.ban-hammered.me/i/74tkj.png

[severe falcon]

i had 16, one of the sticks is ded

[mental coyote]

Yamato ain't hurtin on ram

[severe falcon]

do they make any DDR4 mobos with quad channel?

that wont bankrupt me

[subtle hawk]

@mental coyote I'm waiting for the other kit to arrive

[mental coyote]

Orly. How much you jumpin to?

[past bison]

@severe falcon you need a tr4 or lga2066 socket motherboard and a cpu with quad channel support for that, those are typically quite pricey

[severe falcon]

dang, guess ill go with dual channel or double dual channel whenever i upgrade

[stone wave]

Nvidia going to support Adaptive Sync later this month!!!
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2019/01/06/g-sync-displays-ces/

[severe falcon]

@subtle hawk so whats the deal with z23 sensei's competition?

[subtle hawk]

nothing

[severe falcon]

[severe falcon]

@flint bobcat do you still need help with the string sorting?

[flint bobcat]

Not yet

[severe falcon]

ok just lemme know

[flint bobcat]

@severe falcon with the string sorting, should i create a array of strings, or an array of char[]

wait nvm

[severe falcon]

@flint bobcat oh sorry i was in the shower, but i can help now

also what language is this in?

[flint bobcat]

always c++

[severe falcon]

ah ok

so what do you have so far?

[flint bobcat]

well i currently used a for loop to get through each string

i want to compare each character

so like

lets say the first string is cat

and the next string is dog

of course the c in cat is higher than the d in dog

[severe falcon]

the c is gonna be lower cuz its ascii value is one less than the d

[flint bobcat]

oh are we comparing ascii?

[severe falcon]

uhhh i believe thats what it ends up comparing

[flint bobcat]

oh ok

then ill use ascii for comparing

[severe falcon]

you probably wont even have to touch any ascii, but it will use those values for it anyway

so have you included the string header?

[flint bobcat]

hm ok

[severe falcon]

basicallly all you care about is which one comes first, so we dont need to mess with the actual ascii, but at the hardware level its comparing those values to figure it out

so your loop, is it looping through all the test strings, or just one string?

[flint bobcat]

im going to use 2 strings from a vector array

for testing them

i will break apart each one into characters

[severe falcon]

well you dont need to break them apart, theres a function in <string> that gives the character at an index in the string

[flint bobcat]

yeah t

string[index] to get the char

this is what i have

[severe falcon]

oh yeah i keep forgetting all the C stuff works with c++ too

[flint bobcat]

this is what i get

so now i need to compare

[severe falcon]

yeah so do you want to see if the first string is higher or lower than the second?

[flint bobcat]

yeah

if d is higher/lower than the c

since c is lower, they would swap places in the array

[severe falcon]

so you want to check if the 2nd string is lower than the first, and swap them if they are, right?

[flint bobcat]

well like

since there will be more than 2 strings in the array

the first string in the array will check each character from the second string and so on

[severe falcon]

well yeah 2nd as in the 2nd one in the comparison

[flint bobcat]

what

[severe falcon]

so like if you have 4 strings, you can only compare 2 at once

[flint bobcat]

ye

[severe falcon]

im saying the 2nd one of each comparison is the one you want to do the test cases on

[flint bobcat]

yeah

string 1 should be comparing str2, str3, str4,...

after it compared

str2 compares str3, str4,...

and so on

[brave anchor]

the pure evil

[flint bobcat]

[severe falcon]

i kinda want to step on it

[brave anchor]

use it to punch on face, it super effective

[severe falcon]

so aria, you need to make this kind of function for comparing (pseudocode)

[flint bobcat]

ye like that

im just having trouble with comparing the characters from both comparing strings

[severe falcon]

oh cuz its all in one vector

[flint bobcat]

ye

[severe falcon]

you need the outer loop to stop at vectorSize-1

and then you can use strings[currentIndex] and strings[currentIndex+1] as your two strings

[flint bobcat]

O

i guess it worked

how did you do that

[severe falcon]

uhh can you snip the code?

[flint bobcat]

wait

nvm

it still compares 2

[severe falcon]

yeah lemme see what you have now

[flint bobcat]

Internet is off

I’ll get it to you when it’s up

[severe falcon]

you cant screenshot the code like before?

[flint bobcat]

wait

ok

[severe falcon]

and what is in the vector?

[flint bobcat]

just random stuff

[severe falcon]

yeah so what you have it doing is printing str1-char1 then str2-char1 and repeating

[flint bobcat]

yeah

but i want them to compare all following strings

[severe falcon]

so right now its comparing dog and cat, cat and pat, pat and zat

[flint bobcat]

lets just bring it down to 2

[severe falcon]

but you want it to do: dog and cat, dog and pat, dog and zat, etc.

[flint bobcat]

well those were just some test strings

[severe falcon]

well yeah but you want str1 to test all the other strings first

[flint bobcat]

yeah

if there is a lower character in the comparing string, it will swap

then go on to the next string

[severe falcon]

so if it swaps, it will go to str 2 and do the same?

[flint bobcat]

once str1 swaps

[severe falcon]

yeah ok

[flint bobcat]

it will go to str2

and ignore str1

wait

that makes no sense then

[severe falcon]

well it halfway does

there is a sorting algorithm that behaves like this

its not very good but it does work

[flint bobcat]

hmm

[severe falcon]

actually no this is a little different, its like selection sort and bubble sort had a deformed baby

[flint bobcat]

LOL

[severe falcon]

so we can continue with this algorithm or go with an easier one

[flint bobcat]

i could try bubble sorting, but it would need multiple times to run the algorithm

[severe falcon]

it would need multiple times to run the current one aswell

i think?

its hard to tell

[flint bobcat]

ye

ill just go with bubble

[severe falcon]

ok so you will run into a problem, if you swap them in the vector, it will mess up your loop

[flint bobcat]

i dont think so

[severe falcon]

dog is the first string but if you swap it, it will become the 2nd string

so when you increment currentIndex, it goes from 0 to 1 which is still dog

[flint bobcat]

that's what bubble sort is

[severe falcon]

oh my brain is still trying to figure out the other one woops

you right

[flint bobcat]

wait

my program already does bubble sort

dog cat compares first

cat pat compares next

and pat zat

[severe falcon]

yeah

but you havent started comparing yet

[flint bobcat]

yeah

actually thats th easier part

ok some more psuedo code

compare works

[severe falcon]

ok but why is it not working for the other 2?

[flint bobcat]

because they dont need to be swapped

c < p

a = a

t =t

[severe falcon]

OH they print on the same line if theres no swaps i see

[flint bobcat]

yeah

bad coding

[severe falcon]

ehhh more like beginner coding

[flint bobcat]

kek

i dont really care about how it is printed

[severe falcon]

yeah

i actually had to do something similar in assembly, which was torture

but now all you need is to get it to actually swap

[flint bobcat]

it worked(?)

[severe falcon]

uhhh i dont think so

the list isnt sorted

[flint bobcat]

oh wtf

it isnt

i wrote it wrong

[severe falcon]

ah

[flint bobcat]

it doesnt swap the strings

it says it does

but swap() doesnt work

[severe falcon]

lemme see your swap function

[flint bobcat]

oh wait

its because the for loop keeps checking

and it goes back and forth

wtf

i see the problem

but how to fix

[severe falcon]

so it needs to only check past the first char when they are the same

[flint bobcat]

see thats the problem, the loops keep looping the characters until they find a smaller value

[severe falcon]

yeah

it needs to either swap or dont swap, or check the next one

[flint bobcat]

so if the comparing string is bigger, skip to the next string

otherwise swap

[severe falcon]

yeah

[flint bobcat]

OH YES

[severe falcon]

problem, it still does a and o from cat and dog

[flint bobcat]

yeah but clearly the c is smaller than the d

so it swaps

[severe falcon]

yeah but im saying it goes to the a and o when it shouldnt

[flint bobcat]

oh ur right

why does it check the o in dog and a in pat

[severe falcon]

no its checking a in cat and o in dog

[flint bobcat]

lemme try something

[severe falcon]

is there are a continue; after the swap function in the loop?

[flint bobcat]

i use break

i think it worked

ignore that blank line

[severe falcon]

yeah but do you know why theres a blank line?

[flint bobcat]

itsmy printing style

its bad lol

[severe falcon]

yeah but it seems like its just doing something extra in that spot that it shouldnt

[flint bobcat]

[severe falcon]

like there isnt a blank line anywhere else, and it was where there was a problem last time

[flint bobcat]

oh its just and endl i put at the end of the loop

[severe falcon]

ok i thought so but just making sure