pvp

[gritty cove]

I miss enough attacks and then we change clocks backwards

Why is pvp just a big struggle

[forest lake]

I'm using shinano hiryuu formi

not bad

now I need my fairey alba

[slender atlas]

interesting note that changing Amagi default skin to swimsuit skin will decrease team performance because the skin alter Amagi's firing animation (rough translation)
is this true?

[elder crane]

@frail orbit
I lol'd cause Noshiro>ykkz and no VH on Azuma is what I've personally always rec'd

DrH Amagi is to sync with 818 I assume

And is just normal on Nagato

Though wait
Doesn't 381kai Nagato fire at end of 818 window?

[frail orbit]

@elder crane but with bacon even at 120/200 shin wont even hit 15s tho

Or even 17s

Or even 18s

[elder crane]

2nd volley ofc

Smh

[frail orbit]

Bruh

Imagine not all salvo hit smhw

[elder crane]

Imagine thinking stall vanguard setup can consistently kill stall vanguard setup before 2nd salvo

[keen obsidian]

So first 3 days if I sandbagging right each fight should be about 15pts?

[royal oyster]

refer to the pinned reference point chart and shift up by one reset due to sandbagging to 5/10. you want to be competitive with that score

[keen obsidian]

So just compare my score after x number of fights and not how much I trail current 10th place?

[elder crane]

Yep
You never who current true top is since they're holding fights.

[sacred heath]

jackpot

[keen obsidian]

Holy shit dude on the right is 15-16k

[sacred heath]

wish i would've looked at his fleet, but i didn't even notice

i was blinded by the rusher

[vapid creek]

forgive me cause I'm still not quite good at PVP lol but I'm in a bit of a rough spot. I was going to try Howe/Warkai/Hood main with Yuikikaze/Portkai and another ship but the problem is Howe's covenant skill isn't activated unless she's sortied with another KGV class, Monarch (which I do not have), or 3 HMS ships. so I have two options
-replace Hood or Warkai with KGV or DoY
-use an HMS vanguard ship
which brings me to my question, should I replace hood with a KGV class or use an HMS ship? which HMS vanguard ship(s) are the best for PVP?

[sacred heath]

I would replace hood with dork, but then again i've never done an HMS pvp fleet

[lethal lark]

KGV/Howe/Warkai is a decent comp, DoY/Howe/Warkai I don't think anyone has really tried but it should be usable

actually Hood and Warspite are enough to activate the second part of Howe's skill

she only needs two other HMS if you don't have a KGV class

[atomic mango]

Holy shit dude on the right is 15-16k
@keen obsidian doesn't mean much, 16k vanguard just has gear that's there to flex, not at all optimized for pvp

[sacred heath]

yeah but it's still an oddity/rarity. i haven't seen anything above 16k before.

[atomic mango]

probably includes sandy with two oxytorps or some shit

16k backline is more achievable without a scuffed setup

yeah this works i guess
but running 6 oxytorps

[sour oasis]

@keen obsidian doesn't mean much, 16k vanguard just has gear that's there to flex, not at all optimized for pvp
@atomic mango
Happens from time to time.

Still impressive to see.

[trail temple]

Imagine worrying about 15/16k vgs

[sacred heath]

no one said they were worried about them tho?

[trail temple]

It was implied from Orb's comment

[sour oasis]

Also keep in mind the numbers are affected by Fleet tech; older players will organically have higher meaningless numbers (because fleet tech bonuses don't translate into PvP actual combat, just profile numbers)

[trim bough]

12 days left but still...

[trail temple]

I don't think those numbers are translated into what other users see when they're viewing your fleet. I remember when another user showed me my fleet and it was at 15.2k (but shows 15.3 for me). Could be spaghetti coding or it might be a thing, who knows?

[sour oasis]

I would expect spaghetti code.

I know that when my IJN fleet tech went up, the values I saw for my untouched defense fleet went up on my end and when viewed from the top-100.

[keen obsidian]

@trail temple yes ur right. Big numbers very intimidating

[narrow obsidian]

Did I arm my skunk correctly

[next olive]

oxytorp

replace engine thing

[storm jewel]

oxytorp and pearl

maybe 114m cuz last time i checked her gun barrage is bad, and some folks say 114m can contribute more even bad slot

[sour oasis]

Her main gun could be the twin 120 (for AA boost)
Her AA could be the faster one (e.g. Bofors).
Unsure if rainbow torp+rainbow oxytorp or 610's+black aux is better.
The last aux can be: (1) 1st/2nd oxytorp, (3) pearl, (4) boiler, (5) toolbox in that order of priority.

Her priority is to early-nuke PvP teams with her pre-load, stay alive 10s to use her torpedo ability, and as a bonus maybe stay alive another 20s to do it all over again. (Or if she has the pearl, be a 2nd stage heal)

[elder crane]

@sour oasis
Naga used rainbow torps due to extra torp launch 10 s in
Basically kinda like Ibuki

[sour oasis]

Oh so her special launch will be magnetized as well?

[storm jewel]

s1 torp is whatever she equip, op op

[elder crane]

Yep, it's straight up an extra launch of her mounted torps

Btw if you manual it, there's a funny interaction

Black torp will affect the 10 s launch as long as you hold the preload until it happens

And the preload will also afterwards get black torp effect

[keen obsidian]

kinda stuck at the moment, all my opponents stay in similar points range (usually left guy is very ahead). Do I just fight whoever and leave 5 alone before day change?

[frail orbit]

Whatever

Personally if ur timezone kinda gud on u then u just wait

[keen obsidian]

how can timezone affect the wait?

[frail orbit]

Resets

Ideally u wanna wait til fooken 10minutes left for next reset

[sour oasis]

People move in herds.

You have to guess where people are, did they lose any tickets, are they holding 5, etc.
If you look at the pinned typical 2600 run, that's a good indicator of burning through 5 tickets at a time.

[keen obsidian]

So I may have misunderstood the concept. Now I have 8 fights, take 1 whenever I see massive rank difference or burn 3 in final few minutes of reset?

[frail orbit]

1st one

[sacred heath]

Check every so often to see if one of your opponents did their exercises and ranked up. If so, fight them. If no one moves rank, use up 3 fights before refresh so you don't lose any chances.

[royal oyster]

if your goal is to hit aotn for the merit reward you don't need to sandbag very hard. mostly just not dropping attempts or doing all 5-10 early in a reset

[sacred heath]

my opponents aren't budging

[midnight heron]

just rush bruh

[sacred heath]

no u

[storm jewel]

once i hit aotn i just rush from now on, free my mind from endless sleepless night

[royal oyster]

looking at the pinned reference score, at 608 pts 5/10 on the reset that just ended, they already have enough bonus points to hit aotn on a slow reset if they never get a bonus point again

[keen obsidian]

Alrite 4pts behind the cheat sheet's pace. Hopefully not getting screwed by sleep/ maintenance

[sacred heath]

looks like i'll be at +5 or so at this next reset

first time really keeping track

[candid sluice]

Should I drop to 0/10 before maintenance?

[trail temple]

There's always a chance that the maint gets extended

[royal oyster]

if you don't think that you'll log in between end of maintenance and noon server time then you should

[trail temple]

I will be asleep when it opens up so I have to 0 anyway

[spark galleon]

Could Ruse turn out to be a good PvP tank? I’m eying those red shields that hurt enemies when they touch them.

[frail orbit]

Need to see more

As if OG Roon actually being gud tank

So fooken slow keks

[dire stream]

[round tide]

[elder crane]

Nothing interesting here for PvP, move on

As expected

Taihou muse was the only one I thought maybe has potential before seeing what she did
And she doesn't do enough
Well, worse than base taihou basically

[coral wren]

I still don't know which one of these fighters should I use in PvP

Some people say that Pirate Squad is the best for its reload, but many other people say that Reppu is the best because it's balanced, idk. ;-;

[storm jewel]

it flies fast, take more aa bait (hornet same speed)

beside little slow reload, hornet has everything better

[coral wren]

Ik, but some players take very seriously the reloading time, actually I'm using the Sea Hornet only in PvP.

[storm jewel]

the difference is 0.12s between reppu-hornet, and its so rare you will see the case that 0.12s matters

[sour oasis]

Isn't the pirate squad better than the Reppu any way? Shouldn't the comparison be F4U's superior AA vs SH's better surface/crash damage?

[storm jewel]

right if u compare f4u and sea hornet then it becomes a tough one, would love some opinions on option of either

[proper sorrel]

what about horny vs shiden?

[elder crane]

Do you know what's exciting

Engine but +evasion instead of +HP

Sure only +5 speed but I'll take it

Probably shoes+gyro on Azuma for me now? Hmmm

[storm jewel]

yeah that shoe is very exiting, waiting for someone to compare it w rudder

[elder crane]

Also if meta becomes very CV focused, or maybe just okay in general too, the mics are interesting

On CVs mostly

[keen obsidian]

got to 1pt ahead of pace and then forget to do 6th fight

[sacred heath]

none of my opponents are budging tonight 😦

[silent ocean]

akaga make a comeback eh? 🙏

[storm jewel]

why would she

[candid sluice]

[elder crane]

@silent ocean
Akaga remains dead like it has for two yrs now
Shinano-Hiryuu is potentially new meta, and then the AA will be nice
Ofc, maybe +30 hit just good enough period? Who knows.

[keen obsidian]

2 losses both to Juneau team healing. Is this a case if I can't beat them join them?

[royal oyster]

or torpmeme their vg to oblivion the first couple seconds

[sacred heath]

@keen obsidian adding juneau to your attack fleet will substantially increase your win rate

I added mine when she was only lvl 95 and she still helped a ton

[keen obsidian]

Alrite I'll try my lv100 skill8 Juneau and see if that helps

My torp fleet sux. Nobody is over 115 can double launch

[elder crane]

Noshiro and Jint don't need to

Or do you mean

[royal oyster]

and hopefully you're not actually losing your attempts. just reset if you're in danger or even pick a different opponent/no bonus instead of just losing a ticket

[elder crane]

Survives to 2nd launch?

[keen obsidian]

Yes I got killed and D rank

[sacred heath]

don't let yourself get killed

you can back out

that's why pvp is so dumb in this game

[elder crane]

Oh, that's why you don't use torpDD basically
Unless it's Skunk since she launches a salvo at 10 s

[keen obsidian]

Usually I have a front person vs a cv but my backline suddenly dies without getting attacked

[elder crane]

Top right and exit

No Hiryuu?

Hiryuu is almost essential for torpmemes because of what you just said

[keen obsidian]

Not hiryuu or Ent those I know they can be incinvible

[elder crane]

Yeah, without Hiryuu, torpmemes is extra rng

Since you both need to land torps and survive

[keen obsidian]

But AI sometimes still decides to tackle them without HP lead and suicide

Wait you mean enemy Hiryuu or me

[elder crane]

Yours

You need Hiryuu of own for semi consistent torpmemes

[keen obsidian]

Nope she's 90 I just Kai her last week

the new skill is lv1

[elder crane]

New skill doesn't matter too much

And ofc the paring skill is useless in PvP

[keen obsidian]

I do have resurrection close to max dorming her now

[late heath]

can also use French fleet to instant kill Juneau if you've Richelieu & JB

[frail orbit]

Or just Richie + 2 rainbow backline

🏃💨

[royal oyster]

just kill juneau last

[keen obsidian]

what's 2 rainbow

[coral wren]

457

[frail orbit]

@royal oyster and we know that is only at offense

Not for defense

Whose jun easily ded

Smhw ffs WHEN TF MY JUN DED EARLY

what's 2 rainbow
@keen obsidian FDG + Wakai

Discounting Shin koz u know

[keen obsidian]

Got neither kekw

[frail orbit]

20s threshold

[sacred heath]

I had to burn all my exercises because traveling tomorrow :-/

Maybe next season I can tryhard sandbag for real

[trail temple]

I just rush

Be a bigboi rusher

[storm jewel]

just hit him couple of time today, and this shinano/hiryuu thing keep melting with torp meme

i wonder if phoenix use proper gears yet or its just torp is the basic weakness of this team

like 1 normal torp takes away 3-4/10 of shinano hp

[hot creek]

The only thing my gear would affect is Hiryuu since I was using VH armor. Its pretty normal for crit stacked torps to do that if they manage to hit heavy armor backline.

[trail temple]

Hopefully these guys will get me to aotn this season

[next oxide]

Noob here, aotn???

[candid sluice]

Admiral of the navy

[trail temple]

Yeah never hit aotn before, hope this fleet can hit it

[light crystal]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Cosmic_Kicks Opinions for this in PvP over a regular Boiler? You trade 245 HP and 3 Speed, for 28 Eva. It might help with eHP, overall.

[hot creek]

Its decent for light cruisers. Though, its more of a sidegrade.

[light crystal]

I'm just trying to figure out if the eHP of losing 245 HP for 28 Eva will be offset or surpassed by the these Heels. Cuz losing 3 Speed shouldn't be that big a deal. Furthermore, being a gold Aux, it would increase Fleet Power, which is great to try to get it as high as possible (Doesn't impact combat at all, but I like getting the number as high as possible lol).

Tbh, I think these Heels would be great for Azuma (Aesthetically too lol)

She already has fuck ton of HP anyway, and the 28 Eva and 5 Speed would be pretty nice on her

[sour oasis]

Does Speed translate into eHP?

[hot creek]

not really, speed is just how fast they move. its good for dodging BB shells but not so great at dodging torps.

[crude mortar]

3 speed is big

[sour oasis]

My RNG is bad that I tend to discount evasion and prefer static armor/HP. Speed is a weird X-factor for me; it should be more RNG, but I like it for shell evasion and torp misdirection.

Rather get a torp following (or even hitting) a front ship than make its way to a back ship.

[elder crane]

especially since I Noshiro these days, what with the added prevalence of torps and now Shinano teams

[royal oyster]

my most reliable counter to shinano teams is my own shinano team

[elder crane]

My old fren of Warkai Amagi hiryuu seems to do just fine
the fights are closer than nonshinano, but for some reason it feels just as consistent
maybe shinano setups just less RNG

[sour oasis]

I don't worry too much about Shinano. She's no armored/ruddered Hiryu when it comes to defense. She has those barrage that can really and suddenly hurt though, especially if the vanguard is gone.

[cursive leaf]

so i've been lurking, and seems like the general advice is don't fight losing battles. but what if i'm out of refreshes and i have 7/10 exercises left until recover

[hot creek]

if you don't mind your winrate going down, just lose a battle and hope the next roll gives you easier matches. You still get some xp and merit from losing battles

if you do care about your winrate then just leave it until next daily reset and then use opponent refreshes again.

[silent ocean]

find that if the left most is someone that will give you trouble the second on the left tends to be a good option since it tends to be lower rank so you dont lose out on points but

[cursive leaf]

all 4 of my opponents have a full fleet of lv120 ships

i have no idea why i'm in this bracket lol

i don't have a single 120 ship

[royal oyster]

that's what the refresh button is for

[late heath]

He’s out of refreshes

[royal oyster]

so if you win every fight, eventually you'll climb the ranks and run into high level fleets. so if you actually can't win just lose to the highest level one for xp or let the attempts expire if you care about win rate

[trail temple]

Be like Donald Trump who has a 100% wr

[sterile bobcat]

is the shoe good for any vanguards in pvp?

[trail temple]

Ajax might like it to step on her commander more?

I haven't personally used it myself as I just got it. I have heard people mention Azuma

[sour oasis]

i have no idea why i'm in this bracket lol
Tryhard flexers ruin everything.

[gritty cove]

Imagine being in a server with proper fleets to try things on

[midnight heron]

imagine having gud rng

[sweet venture]

i forgot daylights saving

and lost 5

guess im screwed this season

[naive dome]

you can still get aotn after 6 loss

[cursive leaf]

I noticed the pvp tierlist is mostly Amagi and / or FDG. So if I have neither of those, then I should just eat dirt?

[late heath]

Should be fine even without using those 2

[delicate egret]

I noticed the pvp tierlist is mostly Amagi and / or FDG. So if I have neither of those, then I should just eat dirt?
@cursive leaf this made me laugh for a couple minutes straight idky

amagi, fdg are strong for sure but they aren't mandatory

nagato/hiryuu/shinano has been running around lately

[cursive leaf]

haha, glad i could make you laugh

unfortunately out of those three you just listed, i only have nagato. well, i have shinano but she's not mlb. no ur bulins, see.

[delicate egret]

well, that’s nothing too unfortunate

shinano mlb eventually just grind

I’m missing nagato

[trail temple]

Hiryuu is a drop at sp5

[late heath]

Don’t even need to run IJN to win tbh

The only hard part is to get your opponent to actually move for those extra points lol

[naive dome]

you can use any combination of warkai hiryuu shinano nagato

if you do your sandbag properly in the first week, you can just rush in the 2nd week and still get aotn

and first week is much easier to sandbag than second week

[vapid vortex]

hell, I still haven't got my next fleet up to 120 so I'm still running Enty/warkai/saratoga in the backline and I got to rank 4 last season. The 20% enemy damage reduction and ability to reset is enough to do well enough even against meta fleets. I did replace my vang with a torpcancer group recently though and my god does it help a lot.

[candid sluice]

What would be a good stall vanguard comp? My current setup dies way too quickly

[vapid vortex]

Got noshiro? She's huge

try to stay away from heavy cruisers. They get the least extra modifiers in pvp battles. Yukikaze is about as strong of a stall unit as you'll find and she does ok in a torp setup especially with jintsuu and noshiro buffing

[trail temple]

Juneau died for your sins

[candid sluice]

I’m playing on amagi so no noshiro

Rn I’m shooting for yuki juneau and ibuki would that be alright

[crude mortar]

amagi is such a nice server filled with bunches of casual with no skunk meme

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749898857567223848/771004267652841502/tenorEXSSEX.gif

[candid sluice]

Amagi still has akaga lol

[elder crane]

Jun Ibuki ykkz is pretty okay yeah

[sour oasis]

Juneau + Yukikaze = a significant safety net of survivability.

[storm jewel]

i love seeing juneau melt instantly when the match begins

[next olive]

forgive me juneau

i need rating

[sacred heath]

Sandbagging got too hard past couple days so I rushed

You're welcome, Washington

still have some reserve tries tho

[cursive leaf]

Hiryuu is a drop at sp5
guess i'm running SP5 until the event expires

is it boss node only or all nodes?

[naive dome]

all nodes

she drops quite often

[cursive leaf]

i sure hope so, i need Hiryuu in my life

[royal oyster]

I've gotten enough hiryuu drops to mlb her multiple times over. if you're grinding for gold eq drops you'll get a ton of everything else

[abstract cypress]

hiryuu drops often

[coral wren]

I dont got no hiryuu

Just deutschland

Wtf

[silent ocean]

free medals and or iron blood tech points

[coral wren]

Tech points

Friedrich im coming

[slim moon]

can someone help me to make a team plz? I have an imgur link of my ships

[sour oasis]

Where's the imgur link?

[coral wren]

@hot creek what's your score

[hot creek]

irrelevant this season, cause I forgot to adjust my alarms for DST

[coral wren]

[trail temple]

Oof

[naive dome]

tmw you're more disciplined for this game than your school/work

[trail temple]

Make a KMS team and show the meta how wrong they are

[crude mortar]

yeah kms fdg

with kms warspite and kms hiryu or kms amagi

[solemn comet]

dont forget kms juneau

[trail temple]

Or kms ykkz

[slender atlas]

who to put 457 + wasshington radar between war kai, amagi, fdg?

[frail orbit]

Wakai

Mainly to avoid rudder proc

At 120/200 that is

[slender atlas]

so which gun for fdg then? triple mk6?

[frail orbit]

@slender atlas also assuming 120/200 wakai could actually use 406mle tbh

If u insist on using wakai 457 then FDG got either mk6 or mle

If u are using fdg 457 then wakai mle but need hpfcr aka washy radar on wakai

[slender atlas]

mle? the ap gun from research III?

[elder crane]

Yes

And for that one, if not 120/200, do NOT take the radar

If 120/200, then it's okay to take it, could just not take it anyways still

[naive dome]

what's 120/200?

[frail orbit]

Max lvl max affection

[somber axle]

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

For sirius?

[candid sluice]

That doesn’t look like sirius

[trail temple]

Siriusly?

[red nexus]

that is the cooler sirius

[candid sluice]

How do I know how many points my opponent will give me?

[silent ocean]

📌 11. If your opponens score, !not rank!, is higher than yours by at least 35 points, you will receive more points for beating them. Bonus points scale with the difference over 35 in a myserious way. There is no way to check score outside of top 100 or asking your opponent.

[sour oasis]

PvP top 500 is now at 0.1 points per rank differential

So if you need that extra bonus besides the base +10, fight someone about 350 ranks above you.

That doesn’t look like sirius :unigun:
It clearly says Helena Kai.

[midnight heron]

ships r balanced

[wet gorge]

finally i found this channel

btw is the messer good in pvp?

[proper sorrel]

no

[sacred heath]

Not even a little bit

[naive dome]

wtf update 15mins before reset

don't throw me curveballs like this argg

[storm jewel]

just rush

[royal oyster]

sandbagging is exactly like rushing, except backwards

[naive dome]

instead doing pvp 15 mins after refresh, you do pvp 15 mins before refresh :V

[rich escarp]

Honestly I just tell myself I'll do better at managing refreshes once my pvp team is better

[sour oasis]

How I learned to stop worrying and just love the rush.

[coral wren]

Is this a good main for PvP? 👀

[storm jewel]

shinano may want beacon instead of aviation fuel

[coral wren]

So, when should I use aviation fuel? 👀

[sour oasis]

PvE

It's use is very risky in PvP. For meta timing, usually the beacon is enough (personally I don't even think it's needed save for a very specific flex defender).

[stable dawn]

What's the most annoying possible defense fleet?

[midnight heron]

those with big bb energy

[storm jewel]

those standard fdg/hiryuu/azuma (being geared correctly)

[frail orbit]

Actually, that seems fine. But its main use is only for crash dmg Shinano setup (3cuda gang xD) koz in crash configuration u wanna keep the planes alive til hitting enemy backline like a truckload of dumps

With Ryusei, since the main backdraws of Ryusei configuration being that of her reload being affected even more, I'd rather bacon on her in such configuration

[proper sorrel]

love me some crash dmg shinano

[next olive]

enty with 100% proc rate

[sour oasis]

@stable dawn ones that have the possibility of beating newbies. Veterans tend to have everything needed and the annoyance is just switching fleet configuration.
||Don't be a ||

Honestly, 100% proc Lucky E and Operation Rainbow kills me. Someone had Juneau + Roon whose purpose was just to keep Eldo alive so her Rainbow skill activates. And it kept activating. (Not to mention Enterprise kept getting lucky just before my shells and planes hit her.)

[next olive]

her lucky e is like "let me casually gain 4k hp for a little bit"

[sour oasis]

A single super lucky Enterprise wiped my entire backline once. It was ridiculous how much RNG favored them.

[next olive]

the enty 1v1s are scary

[coral wren]

Warpite v warspite is worse

I had one instance where we both killed eachother but i took the loss

Was unhappy

[royal oyster]

the general advice is that unless you're a last minute sandbagger, just reset if it starts going badly

[candid sluice]

Enty vs enty gives me anxiety

[naive dome]

generally if their enemy CV launch an airstrike after VG phase and you don't have/already expend all your backline invulnerability, you should reset

[midnight heron]

speaking of annoying backlines how do u even counter shinano

has no fking weakness and can debuff u 👏

totally not a broken ship

[royal oyster]

shoot her until she dies

[midnight heron]

im sure dats possible when she has innate dred from her skill

rly hate ships where theres no counterplay

[late heath]

I’m currently running IJN with her rn but French counter her comp pretty well when I was using them

[midnight heron]

aka pray to rng u nuke their vg early else reset 🤨

[royal oyster]

I counter shinano by using my own

[midnight heron]

well dats not a counter then its mirroring

[late heath]

Have you try HMS fleet yet, Monarch, Howe, WS with PR3 radar

[elder crane]

Idk 457 warkai still focuses her down fairly fast

[late heath]

Burst her down early

[elder crane]

Also torpteams do well cause Shinano does nothing for like 23 s

Using Shinano is like
🕸️

[midnight heron]

bold of u to assume i got my 457 already 🤣

[elder crane]

Spend 20+ s just sitting there looking pretty while vanguard sandbags
And then hopefully you explode theirs

[midnight heron]

and no i havent touched pr3

so no pr3 reccomendations

[elder crane]

There's a pretty big risk tbh that vanguard can just die to torps and then Shinano misses airstrike on vanguard

I've had 1-2 close calls on offense even with Noshiro

For defense, while she's strong, she doesn't actually seem to powerspike much
Good teams get narrower victories basically, but not any less victories it feels

[midnight heron]

i mean even if u miss her airstrike u still gonna nuke backline with dat insane crash dmg

[elder crane]

It's... not really that insane tbh

[midnight heron]

idk man even if she misses most of her torps her crash still tons a fk ton to my backline

with ykkz alive

i wud even compare it to nakaga's combined airstrike

[elder crane]

Sure but nakaga's a joke these days
It's something main can perfectly absorb
Again, narrower wins basically, she's just not really RNG enough for defense it feels?

Kinda like warkai

[midnight heron]

yea prob

[elder crane]

Basically, good at noob walling

Run Shinano Hiryuu Warkai for ultimate noob wall?

[coral wren]

Get a sandy and nakaga goes

[midnight heron]

the fact dat shes consistent is y its so annoying

she doesnt need rng

[frail orbit]

How bout D30 FDG n Shina as sidewall

Or Hiryu Shina as sidewall

[elder crane]

Literally anything eats Nakaga
And what does it say about German team
When german team barely does better than Nakaga

[frail orbit]

Amagi center

[elder crane]

[coral wren]

Amagi skill kinda weird

[midnight heron]

and well i was comparing nakaga's airstrikes not their pvp viability

shinano alone can match their air power and dats insane already

[elder crane]

Nakaga airstrikes is absorbable basically

So yeah

It hurts, but it's a known quantity that is workable around

[frail orbit]

^

And at least they're paper enuff

[elder crane]

Main thing about nano is that only HMS+warkai can truly "snipe" her down, so your team basically has to be able to survive her pounding

Even FdG does it less since smacking FdG a bit means she drops FP

[midnight heron]

time to bring sandy then

[naive dome]

just snipe everything else around her faster than she killed your hiryuu

[sour oasis]

Just don't lose

Man, I hate that I'm running into smarter Shinano flex

She functions the same as Hiryu (tanking Warspite), but without the need to equip 2 defensive aux and with more offense.

[wet gorge]

Does AA matter in pvp?

[leaden solar]

not even warkai can snipe shinano

[sour oasis]

Does AA matter in pvp?
To a degree, yes. It reduces plane crash damage if your opponent is running multiple CV

[storm jewel]

my non457 warkai can reliably snipe down shinano pretty well, together with amagi

maybe just me

[sour oasis]

What player you sniping? Not everyone has a smart flex setup.

[royal oyster]

how easy shinano is to kill highly depends on their fleet comp and gear

[elder crane]

She's basically just FdG tankiness, with the same mods for the aux options FdG has

don't run rudder or other +eva, and her eHP isn't that high

[sour oasis]

FdG gets evasion auxiliaries too?

[elder crane]

HPFCR+evasion or double SG, basically

[storm jewel]

some names i recognized in this club, so assume they have good geears

[trail temple]

Just a luccsaccer who wins on lucky e procs

[somber axle]

I will flex my Shinano soon, 117 now.

[trail temple]

Flex it now

[crude mortar]

[naive dome]

is it a flex if everyone else is doing it ?

[uncut agate]

Nope, it's pretty boring to see the same fleet again and again

[trail temple]

Welcome to the meta

[storm jewel]

just put a good ass fleet so i can feel some challenge in this game

[trail temple]

What? My lv1 bulin fleet wasn't challenging enough for you?

In all seriousness, if the "challenge" presented by the fleets aren't hard enough, start putting handicaps on yourself

e.g. no resets, no x ship, etc.

[storm jewel]

is this some speed run zelda with 3 hearts etc

[naive dome]

challenge yourself by missing fights and seeing if you can still get aotn

[storm jewel]

already failed it this week

[somber axle]

Managed to get sleep after AoTN!

[sour oasis]

Yes. Two more days until no sleep again?
Just rush. Save yourself the poison.

[somber axle]

You can sleep for 1-2 nights during the season and still get AoTN. I think I missed 8 fights before and still managed.

But yes, rusher life is way better.

[naive dome]

just sandbag first week and rush 2nd week

[obsidian kite]

Want a challenge use a full kms fleet

[granite flame]

how good is the red microphone equipment for this event in pvp

?

[elder crane]

If meta ever becomes particularly CV heavy it might be interesting, especially on CVs

As it is right now, meh
+30 hit is sidegrade on CV vs catapult, but no one uses catapult in the first place

[granite flame]

ty blue

[coral wren]

If I have the same score as the one im attacking do I get a normal score or -1 ?

in the leaderboard he's ranked higher than me

[storm jewel]

then u should get 0, no reason for -1

[coral wren]

@elder crane what's the ideal BB gun timing to not hit rudder proc ?

[crude mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/722667960870895676.gif?v=1

[storm jewel]

captain at this point of the season pepelaugh

[keen obsidian]

0exp

[elder crane]

@coral wren

Gah

I was typing something smh

Sorry, 1 sec

Anyways for most 120/200 BB you don't want HPFCR for triples and you can take it or not for twins
457 you probably specifically want triples for

[coral wren]

my FdG is dev30 but not yet 200 affinity, and im using the 457mm on WS, The 3x381mm im currently using on her fires at 20.07s/wave without counting the HPFCR buff so that's still around rudder proc right ?

should I just use the 2x406mm skc

[elder crane]

That or just use mk6 smh

[coral wren]

mk6 because it's slow enuff ?

[elder crane]

And without HPFCR
But DrH with is fine too

[coral wren]

I just read the TL and saw that 3x381 was the 2nd best choice

aight ty

[elder crane]

Though I'd maybe just rudder/SG her since warkai carries dmg anyways
You can also try to get lucky with AP triples on her

[coral wren]

alrighty

so, just to be sure, proc of rudder is 4:40>4:20>4:00 and so on ?

or the cd starts after the effect ends

[crude mortar]

ask the expert

@elder crane

but I believe its 40 20 00

[upper cove]

well technically the proc happens on the frame that the clock rolls from 40 > 39 and 20 > 19 and so on

but otherwise ya it doesn't get offset whenever it procs

unless...

[elder crane]

Well
It's actually the frame 41->40

If you see 40 it's already proc'd or not

[abstract cypress]

just realized roon muse have no luck

i thought it would be OP on pvp

kms need buff

[upper cove]

no it's definitely on 40 > 39

any timed skill follows this

[trail temple]

KMS buff? What's that?

[abstract cypress]

tfw they holdin of bismarck since tutorial just to make her shit tier

now they keep releasin individual mediocre ships for kms

plz make good kms ship, anythin but eugen retro

[trail temple]

Yostar: what's that you want a retro?
Here's an IJN retro that's busted in pvp

[candid sluice]

[abstract cypress]

idk man kinda sus

they keep adds ijns and fucked up the ratio with other factions

whats more they are OP

better create new nation and make it the 1st non pr Ur ship

yostar: put it on ijn

[sour oasis]

YS: We don't cater exclusively to IJN. Look, here's some debuffs.
Sendai: Crap.

[crude mortar]

YS:torp meme getting out of hand what should we do?
YS:add noshiro to the game
YS:torp meme isn't strong enough and it couldn't fuck up our player's mentality what should we do?
YS:add naganami

https://tenor.com/view/obama-wtf-why-president-wut-gif-12221156

[abstract cypress]

we need to nuke nagato centered fleet

but yosht think otherwise

[storm jewel]

dont worry china wall has pog eva and deal extra 25%dps to ijn

🇨🇳

[crude mortar]

eva doesn't dodge like pve

china wall gettimg melted fast in pvp

go try it

[elder crane]

Player ships actually have hit stat unlike PvE enemies with shit hit

Highest PvE enemy hit outside of CM EX is 96 or something iirc? In 11 HM
Meanwhile standard setups has most main at 150-180 ish hit stat and most vanguard 200-250

You're looking at 50-65% evarate for chinawall, a far cry from PvE evarate of 90% cap

[storm jewel]

im just memeing

[light crystal]

@elder crane If running Namashin, who should get 457, Nagato or Amagi?

[crimson bear]

Nagato imo. Amagi fires first so more efficient to give her HE

[light crystal]

Yeh

[candid sluice]

Do the number of attempts you have last season roll over to the next? Or do you always start the season with 5?

[royal oyster]

it resets

otherwise the winners of each season would alternate

[light crystal]

btw, which is more widely used, Shinama, or Namashin. Both are corny, but u need something I guess

[trail temple]

I'd probably use the latter more

[wet gorge]

What happens if u ran out of time in pvp? It almost happend to me cuz of a 1v1 enty keep proc their skills

[mint hornet]

I think it counts as a loss
same for ties

[trail temple]

Yeah you lose draws, but, and this was a fair while ago, I'm pretty sure I won a timeout

I mention the time because my memory could be wrong

[midnight heron]

lul u guys can even get timeouts

[abstract cypress]

use lvl 120 akashi+1 trash fodder vs trashes

[trail temple]

It was back in the days I had a lv50 fleet with bad equips facing off against a maxed ungeared fleet

[midnight heron]

wouldve been surprised if anyone got timeouts at top ranks

[wet gorge]

Also guys please make your defense fleet easy to sink

[trail temple]

Only if you promise to rush so I can sandbag you

[light crystal]

Between Twin 130mm (Tashgun), 114mm (Jutland), and 138.mm (Baguette gun), how would u tier them for Azuma?

I wanna say: Tashgun > Jutgun > 138mm.

Main issue I see for 138mm is potentially missing too much due to firing pattern/ballistics.

[frail orbit]

Honestly I preferred Jutgun but only bkoz am too lazy to slap Tashgun other than Tashkent for PVE purposes

And bkoz slightly spammier

With 138.6 u gotta get moar vs heavy but even so

Like whatever

[elder crane]

@light crystal
Namano is the comp name

[midnight heron]

namayes

[delicate egret]

[light crystal]

@elder crane sounds retarded

I guess no matter wut one chooses to go with, it will destined to be tacky regardless then

[sacred heath]

wtb some fkn movement in my exercise options, pst

[candid sluice]

None of my opponents are moving up in rank

[storm jewel]

WTS moving up for $5

[sour oasis]

Yeah you lose draws, but, and this was a fair while ago, I'm pretty sure I won a timeout
This was before 2019 when PvP health bar mattered.

[keen obsidian]

My group hasn't moved at all either

[candid sluice]

Everyone and their grandmother is sandbagging

[royal oyster]

sandbagging or asleep

[somber axle]

B> Rusher

[trail temple]

That's what happens when everyone knows how to sandbag, nobody moves

[candid sluice]

So rush first week then sandbag second?

[storm jewel]

hey devs let the defenders lose point if they get hit

[keen obsidian]

And then I forgot to clear 5 fights FFFFFF

5miss 1loss already

[somber axle]

[rich escarp]

Imagine if Meowfficers could be used in pvp...

[royal oyster]

forgetting to do your first 5 fights is quite an accomplishment

[solemn comet]

what's sandbagging?

[mint hornet]

You wait until someone on your list moves (rank goes up) and uses their tickets
fight them once they stopped moving
repeat for every ticket you have, stopping when you're at 5/10

You do this because you'll earn bonus points based on the point difference between you and the person you fought

@solemn comet

[trail temple]

and when everyone tries to sandbag, no one gets bonus points

[proper sorrel]

nah you out sandbag the sandbaggers

[trail temple]

[candid sluice]

[trail temple]

All 5 exercises in the last minute?

[proper sorrel]

anything is possible if you put your heart to it

[trail temple]

Well, there are other things I put into it, my heart isn't one of them

[somber axle]

I set stall fleet, have fun!

[trail temple]

inb4 it goes within 1 minute

[storm jewel]

15 minutes until exercises restock! rush it folks

[trail temple]

Nice try

[wet gorge]

does the defense fleet affect your current rank?

[sacred heath]

Nope.

[candid sluice]

[storm jewel]

in a way yes: the guy that going for your ass almost close the gap with 10 points, but if u can torp meme him with defend fleet he lost that 10 points

get gucked sucker

[sacred heath]

Imagine expecting your opponents to lose

[wet gorge]

[storm jewel]

[crude mortar]

IM WALLED

WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT

[storm jewel]

i lost sometime, so i know they will

[trail temple]

Kanzaki

Imagine losing in exercises as an end game player

[sacred heath]

I can't remember the last time I actually lost rather than retreated

Probably when I lost a warkai vs hiryuu gamble

[crude mortar]

its like knowing a monkey died with timestone in his hand

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/774543810549907476/774636303358754826/tenor_7.gif

[storm jewel]

I didnt look at the screen stop bullying

[wet gorge]

Wait i thought having more numbers in current rank makes you go up the ladder

[solemn comet]

you go up as long as you win kek

[sacred heath]

You want the people in your opponent pool to use their exercises so they increase their score

That way you get more points for beating them

[wet gorge]

Ive been doing it the wrong way

[sacred heath]

So you log out and back in to see if anyone has dramatically increased in rank, then fight them. Repeat.

[stable dawn]

If you're extra lazy you can just "halfbag" by rushing 5 exercises 10-20 mins before reset.

Usually 1 person would've moved by then which gives you a single bonus and 4 non-bonus exercises.

This strat is pretty much always enough to hit AotN at least once during the season for the merit bonus assuming you don't oversleep and miss any resets, ofc.

[delicate egret]

pvp will greatly impact your health if you do it correctly

[royal oyster]

waiting for the last 10-15 minutes of every reset to rush 5 attempts sounds like the maximum amount of hassle for the least gain

[sacred heath]

idk if everyone is being stubborn or what

but i've got no movement

and these last 5 minutes are killing me

[storm jewel]

oh

just miss 4 attacks

new season then

[crude mortar]

legends said once upon a time famine miss 5 and still 2600

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/774543810549907476/774636303358754826/tenor_7.gif

[trail temple]

legends said once upon a time famine miss 5 and still 2600
Legendary

[wet gorge]

I feel like gear skins are OP in pvp cause you dont know what ammo type the enemy has

[storm jewel]

gears are quite predictable, not like different gear will show much difference in case they are pve gears then its easier to fight

[wet gorge]

Cause my enemy was using a gear skin on his BB and i couldnt tell if his ammo type was AP or HE

[storm jewel]

just take a guess, gonna be something like 1 HE and 2 AP generally

but knowing it will likely not affect how you gear your ship defense aux

just the same stuffs

[trail temple]

Just look at what it hits and you should have a good idea

[hot creek]

the color of the damage numbers reflect the ammo type, I think purple is AP

[trail temple]

Yeah

Can't remember what orange is

[wet gorge]

Oh wait really? What are the other colors?

[next olive]

should i use sandy, yuki and belfast or sandy yuki and neptune

[light crystal]

If using FDG/Shin/Amagi, who would u put as FS

[spark galleon]

Definitely Amagi

It'll make her much harder to target, and she's the one buffing Shinano and FdG to make them super hard to kill

[storm jewel]

why not FdG flag

she can stay alive longer as Warkai cant snipe her

[dire stream]

she stays alive for long enough already

[frail orbit]

Shes meant to tank

[dire stream]

and if amagi dies, others will die fast anyway

[frail orbit]

And u want Amagi to stay alive long enuff

Common method is to place her on center

[storm jewel]

so when amagi drops the buffs gone ?

[frail orbit]

Could also off from Wakai focus

Ye

[storm jewel]

ahh good to know

i always thought its permanent

[dire stream]

isnt that how pretty much all buffs work

[storm jewel]

"While alive in fleet"

didnt read it

[frail orbit]

草

[elder crane]

@dire stream
It's like half and half
Nagato or Shinano or QE for example are perma

[copper nebula]

Heeeyoo, wanted to ask which ships are good for pvp

ahem

[ancient skiff]

nagato, fdg, amagi, shinano, juneau, azuma, enty, essex, yukikaze, warkai, richelieu, hiryuu kai, jeanne d'arc, jean bart, centaur, ayanami, javelin, laffey, helena retro, monty, noshiro

(theres more but )

[sacred heath]

i lost a fkn match because i looked away

next season, i guess

[royal oyster]

if you only intend to top rank when everything goes perfectly, you'll never get there. even losing 1 now isn't as crippling as it is after hitting admiral

[sacred heath]

but it was perfect

they rushed to #1 and were way far ahead of me in points

i cried a little

[trail temple]

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

On the cancerous scale, how nasty is this I wonder?

[candid sluice]

Projectile vomit inducing

[storm jewel]

on my cancerous scale, its a stage 1

[trail temple]

Pretty meta

Therefore cancer

[crude mortar]

food tier

[naive dome]

will be eaten by amagiryuwar imo

[solemn comet]

so nagato is dropped?

[light crystal]

All her damage comes from Big Seven, which is unreliable at best of times. And the AVI dmg buffs and Accuracy to IJN would be offset by what FDG brings to the table.

[candid sluice]

Should I finish off my exercises before maintenance

[light crystal]

Warspite users would need to focus Amagi, but then get farmed by FDG/Shinano while trying to kill her. Hiryuu, well it's hit or miss, cuz would likely get hit hard by FDG. Best hope would be trying to kill my VG asap, which would be pretty RNG-ny in and out itself.

[sour oasis]

Juneau oathed

[light crystal]

I could sub out Amagi for WK. But I don't wanna miss out on the Eva Rate Up and the Debuffs lol

[frail orbit]

food tier
@crude mortar as if ur USN aint food tier

[crude mortar]

its called food eating food

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/774543810549907476/774636303358754826/tenor_7.gif

[next garden]

Is ryuusei really good really shit or somewhere else in pvp

or needs setup, like normal

[storm jewel]

@next garden ryuusei works best if enemies dont move

those BB/CV in pvp dont move

[next garden]

so works really well?

[storm jewel]

very

and lots of meta CV if not all have high efficiency torp bomber slot

[light crystal]

B Shinano, with 2 TB slots, and a free Ryusei strike from skill

[elder crane]

@light crystal
You don't bother focusing Amagi with warkai, not without Nagato to boost her dmg
Much better off focusing down the others first
Sure, overall their main takes longer to kill, but they have less DpS output since you kill the ships that actually do damage early on
Especially FdG since she loses FP after smacking her a bit

Double Ryuus on Shinano are 100% overkill
Just last slot of 4 ryuus + barrage is enough to kill any targeted main fleet ship once vanguard dead

[light crystal]

I always found success by targeting Amagi's tho

Main reason I'm even using Shinano is cuz Shinano users were getting harder to beat

[elder crane]

Vs Namagi that's right, since Amagi boosted by Nagato does respectable dmg too, and Nagato half the time isn't

Meh any standard meta setup has no issues vs Shinano, I find

She's too consistent

And I suppose offense vanguard too sturdy

Tbh I'd flag FdG and run Shinano side, for the reason I mentioned
Iirc vs warkai, Shinano is actually tankier than FdG is, and doesn't lose offensive stats

[light crystal]

U say that, but I've had 2 or 3 battles where a WK hit hard my Shinano

[elder crane]

Also I think defense flag eats more torps than side does

[light crystal]

In one instance, Shinano died first due to WK, as Juneau Heal didn't come in time, and the deficit in DPS made me reset the battle a little afterwards

That was when I was using Nagato/Amagi/Shinano

[elder crane]

Well I suppose too lazy to reposition?
I'd tank Warkai with a rudder VH amagi personally, but can't choose for defense

[light crystal]

Hence, using FDG now

Well yes, I could've been fine having Amagi tank

[elder crane]

Oh btw I'm trying out Nagato Shinano Hiryuu torpmemes
Actually feels a lot better than stall vanguard version or Namano for offense

[light crystal]

Just being lazy and putting in middle now lol

[elder crane]

Tbh
Warkai Shinano Hiryuu with stall vanguard works better for offense than Nagato version I'm pretty sure

[light crystal]

I'm also considering using WK instead of Amagi, and putting WK in middle. I'd be missing out on Amagi's Eva Rate Up and Debuffs, so I don't wanna do it, but I got the option

I hate Hiryuu. I haven't used Hiryuu in almost a year, in either Def or Att lmao

[elder crane]

If you do that, I'd drop FdG personally
Dmg out of her is rng, bad for offense, and warkai takes the 457 anyways

[light crystal]

I can run everything, except I don't have Naganami 120/200 yet. Only 110 atm

[elder crane]

I'd not torpmemes without Hiryuu to back it up

Sometimes your torps all whiff and you need Hiryuu to bail you out

[light crystal]

WK used to trivialize Hiryuus. Just thrashed her. Now that I'm not using WK, Hiryuu is a tad scary I suppose. Gotta go against more of them to see how I fare

[somber axle]

Don't you just reset if all your torps miss?

[elder crane]

Literally first two matches with the team I'm running, I literally land just 1 torp in opening salvo + Naganami 2nd launch
And one had to be a reset
Haven't seen RNG be that bad since

Imagine having to ever reset

[light crystal]

I never reset, until the last second if need to. I feel it's dumb, but to each their own.

[elder crane]

Anyways that's the goal, never needing to reset period

Plus I won first one anyways since Hiryuu OP

[somber axle]

Luckily reset is fast if you torp meme.

[elder crane]

Second one they had Hiryuu too

[somber axle]

What are you even running?

[elder crane]

Nagato Shinano Hiryuu Jint Naga Noshi

[somber axle]

Oh

[elder crane]

It's the only setup I'd personally actually still run Nagato on for offense
Well, and Namaryuu torpmemes

[light crystal]

I think I can try running Hiryuu defense for the sheer lols

[elder crane]

My pet fav is still Warkai Amagi Hiryuu setup though
Warkai covers for Hiryuu so I don't even need to reposition

[light crystal]

It's not like I'd be missing any gear on her anyway

Oh, I'm not using Nagato. SO it'd have to be with Amagi or somehting tho kek

[elder crane]

Trying to snipe Hiryuu = my warkai snipes their warkai

[light crystal]

If I start using WK, on Def I could run WK middle, Shin/Hiryuu side tho 🤔

The main logistical issue will always be being limited to the single Beaver

[elder crane]

Beaver Shinano then

Or Azuma if you don't want to run shoes on her

[light crystal]

Actually, Shinano already has Beaver cuz I'm using her in the middle anyway kek

I'm running Heels/Gyro on Azuma atm, cuz she on middle

[elder crane]

Yeah that's my preferred setup since I always liked Jun lead with Noshiro anyways

[storm jewel]

these conversations are what make me like this channel

[midnight heron]

wow they nerfed merit shop now theres only 9 items

[mortal idol]

Is it normal to run beaver badge on flagship?
I’ve always wanted to ask about equips past the pvp sheet but felt like it didn’t matter until I had my fleet 120

[candid sluice]

What does a generic torpmeme vanguard consist of?

[crude mortar]

skunk

[sour oasis]

@mortal idol Yes. Flag is usually the most valuable, makes her last longer, and thus gives your fleet speed longer.
Personally I put it on my tankiest ship to make her even more invincible, but it does mean my barrage flag is the first backline to die. (Meta flex fleets tend to target middle)

@candid sluice Torpedoes.
Naganami (free 2nd salvo), Jintsu (torpedo buff), Noshiro (torpedo barrage), Yukikaze (stall with good torpedoes), Ibuki (+1 pre-load), Ayanami... pretty much IJN DD or CL. You can mix in other ships (Aurora, Juneau, etc) to increase survival.

[mortal idol]

It’s more that I could use 3 rudders instead of 2 rudder + badge flag

[snow snow]

Beaver is kind of needed

but it gives less tank stats than a rudder

so you put it on the ship that'll take the least dmg

aka the flag ship

if you like put it on a vanguard instead, then they'll be less tanky than if you had a rudder on them instead, and you'd lose the speed buff once they die

[elder crane]

@snow snow @sour oasis @candid sluice
Badge speed buff is perma
Ship carrying it can sink and it still applies

It's worse than rudder and usually not worth packing two +eva equipment, so yeah, that's the main consideration

In current meta, eva tends to matter least on flagship

Vanguard ofc takes a heavy beating, sides can get focused by warkai, and since vanguard is fairly tanky these days, flag doesn't really get ryuusei nuked much anymore
Plus the ryuu nukers will nuke straight through +5 evasion anyways, and it's not right timing for rudder proc

[frail orbit]

Honestly

When u could just use active evasion

That is MSPD

Could say that the heels works on Azuma, keks

[elder crane]

Yeah Azuma imo really needed a rudder since her eva is so abysmal for a vanguard, but shoes seem to be good enough

+5 speed more valuable than the extra eva it seems

[frail orbit]

I'd prefer shoes at all times

It's not like she actually need rudder proc on PVP anyways

[elder crane]

I mean, before shoes were an option, nonrudder azuma is a bit mmmm

Less base evasion than main fleet

[frail orbit]

Ye, VH being VH

Cant blame that

[elder crane]

VH I hate even more since torpmemes never stopped being a thing on EN, and now proper torpmemes exists anyways

[frail orbit]

Also, yer not that active on that ones lel

Spy detected

VH I hate even more since torpmemes never stopped being a thing on EN, and now proper torpmemes exists anyways
Blame Skunk and her fartorps ftw

Bad Skunk
Needs to be disciplined by Azumama, cant be too heavy lest she ran from mommy

[crude mortar]

idk

who thought it was ever a good idea to add 3rd torp crit buff to the game anyway

do we blame internkun

https://tenor.com/view/obama-wtf-why-president-wut-gif-12221156

[snow snow]

always

[crude mortar]

what could posibilies go wrong addint torp crit ship

one with built in anti torp

other with giga torp dmg

[snow snow]

IJN superiority wasn't obvious enough I suppose

[crude mortar]

ijn warspite pretty strong tho

[snow snow]

IJN Juneau tho

[sour oasis]

Badge speed buff is perma
Ship carrying it can sink and it still applies
Whaaa. When was this?

[frail orbit]

do we blame internkun
@crude mortar naaa, yongsheet is to blame 🏃💨

[crude mortar]

always been

use badge on warspite tanker

[delicate egret]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-clown-honk-honk-honk-red-nose-gif-13876101

[cursive leaf]

so are the muse shoes a "poverty" substitute for some other aux gear? what kind of ships should they go on?

[frail orbit]

Naaaa

For Azuma it's BiS

Just bkoz more speed actually matters more than a static evasion from rudder

While still providing some well needed static evasion

[storm jewel]

so what is azuma aux now beside Shoe?

[frail orbit]

Gyro

She still wants gyro
Much needed hit stat

[cursive leaf]

Ah, okay. sadly i don't have azuma.

[cursive leaf]

mfw waiting for opponents to move up in rank, but they move down instead. i cry

[crude mortar]

azuma cant really dodge

she too fat

[delicate egret]

[spring kestrel]

what's the minimum dev level for azuma/fdg to replace noshiro/warspite?

[storm jewel]

idk if they can replace the role of warkai or noshiro

[vapid vortex]

They’re supplemental, not replacements

[granite flame]

you use azuma at dev 25 and fdg at dev 30

you dont use them to replace either

[proper sorrel]

just use warkai and fdg in the same fleet 🧠

[granite flame]

🧠

[blazing crescent]

Is swordfish always the choice for Torpédo bomber in pvp?

[wet gorge]

i think the ryuusei is better

[storm jewel]

swordfish has same crash damage as barracuda

maybe think why u need the slow from swordfish for

[hot creek]

cudas4lyfe

[ancient skiff]

you only equip core shop swordfish if you want to sync the slow with another torpedo bomber CV for quick vanguard takedown

[blazing crescent]

I was thinking of equipping Perseus with swordfish (using her in pvp for exp)

My usual attack fleet is more French based with Richy Gascan Louis and maybe the blond one with the immune Bunny and Juneau. Since I don't have Nagato at 120

[naive dome]

cudas is better at clearing vanguard and ryusei is better at cleaning up backline, right ?

[blazing crescent]

Probably yes because vanguard speed = evasion and back line doesn't move anyways so ryusei is perfect for that

Oh you mean baracuda I still thought about swordfish

With the 60% speed debuff

[storm jewel]

just torp their vanguard and go full ham ryuusei

[hot creek]

ryusei good if enemy VG is gone already, otherwise they're RNG

cudas are just overall more consistent not only in VG damage but plane suicide damage, especially for the attacking team

[storm jewel]

this guy just makes me swap cuda for my hiryuu

[hot creek]

ryusei on Hiryuu isn't so bad since she's usually still alive by the time VGs are gone but yeah I still prefer cuda on her anyways

[light crystal]

Or just use Shinano. Gets a Built-in free Ryusei strike due to Skill, and can equip 2 TB's, so u can easily do Cuda/Ryusei, for best of both worlds (Cuda for killing VG, and higher crash DMG, and Ryusei, for killing Backline).

[midnight heron]

if you use 2 tb instead of fighter + tb on shinano, does dat mean you stop auto launching intercept planes?

[crude mortar]

maybe?

[crude jetty]

I just got duke of york! What would be a good setup for her, when I want to run her with warkai and monarch?

[elder crane]

You might want her to shoot first, which means give her triple 381 HE gun and the other two normal triples
Alternatively, just run standard on her
You'll probably want even QE over Dork though for that team
Even better, one of Howe/Amagi/Hiryuu

[cursive leaf]

Is the Azurlane pvp en tierlist google sheet that's pinned here still updated?

[crude jetty]

I couldnt get Howe ;-;

[trail temple]

Howe could you!?

[crude jetty]

well... rng howend me

[snow snow]

I find cuda in pvp like super sus

out of the 3 torpedoes, usually only 1 will consistently hit vanguard

hitting backline is pretty much a pipe dream

at least swordfish will slow with that 1 torp

which even if it isn't timed with anything is pretty significant

[late heath]

I personally put swordfish onto Hiryuu to slow down the vanguard, then Shinano with beacon and double ryuusei launch right after so they're basically perfect sync lol

[blazing crescent]

why double ryuusei in pvp and not double Torp bomber or sth?

oh wait nvm

i mixed ryuusei with Repuu

[elder crane]

@snow snow
Cuda is used since it has 480 base crash dmg
That's higher than 818/Firebrand (400)
Higher than VT-18 (300)
And literally over double that of ryuusei (206 iirc?)

[snow snow]

but like

that's all it has

3 aimed torps or dmg from another source like Azuma/torps/a BB would do far more

its not bad I guess

but there isn't really any reason to use it over the other options

[elder crane]

3 aimed torps do nothing to main fleet while vanguard is alive
That's the main reason

Comparing to Azuma/BB is a completely different thing
And is part of why BB meta

[snow snow]

ah I prob should have clarified

swordfish makes them more likely to hit vanguard

[elder crane]

Also since crash bypasses evasion, it's not necessarily so true

Yeah that's why 818 is better unless slow is straight up useless

If just maaaybe helping Azuma, meh

So about crash vs aimed torps

Aimed torps benefit from slot efficiency
Aimed torps is higher base dmg
Aimed torps will focus dmg

Crash bypasses evasion check
Crash hits main fleet while vanguard still alive
Crash will not overkill dmg

So especially on lower eff slots, you can actually end up with fairly similar dmg even when vanguard isn't distracting aimed torps

Take a shitty 110% eff slot, and let us ignore enemy AA, and assume 1 torp vs 3 torps physically hit
Cuda vs heavy armor ship does base 288*1.1*1.3 torp
480 crash
Ryuusei does
260*1.1*1.3*3 torp
188 crash
So diff of 703.56 torp base dmg, 292 crash
Factor in that ruddered-amagi'd main fleet vs non-acc-buffed CV has around 50% evarate, well
And crash dmg will never overkill

Now some of those setup numbers might make it clear why I prefer aimed tb for the two most meta CVs
High TB slot efficiency and usually accuracy buff

But for, say, Formi+Cent, that is part of the explanation why the crash dmg setup on those work arguably best

[proper sorrel]

crash dmg shinano w standard hiryuusei

[crude jetty]

Anyone actually uses Duke of York here??

Is hiryuu Nagato WS better than Dork Monarch WS?

[late heath]

You can just place Hiryuu to tank WS and get all the HMS ship to focus on her

And the entire HMS fleet fall apart

[snow snow]

Is hiryuu Nagato WS better than Dork Monarch WS?
@crude jetty yes

HMS is good on attack since you can choose who gets locked onto, but on defense like Misaka said, it gets cucked by ships like Hiryuu

but on attack, it's pretty fun watching an FdG get one shot

though you'd prob use someone like Howe or even QE instead of Duke

[crude jetty]

I have QE

she is really better than Duke?

I was soooooooooo hyped when I finally pulled her 😭

[snow snow]

duke's shelling isn't much better than QE's, so the difference is mainly in their buffs

QE just directly buffs the other ships, while Duke actually has to hit a target to apply her debuff

so for Duke's buff to have full effectiveness, all 3 would need to hit the same target and Duke would also need to hit first

[crude jetty]

but.. but.. she is GOLD!

[snow snow]

hitting the same target isn't too much of a problem because of warkai's skill

but Duke has lower reload

so you can't just run 3 high dmg guns or even a barrage gun on monarch

since duke would end up firing after

[crude jetty]

I could run 381 on duke and nagato gun on monarch?

[snow snow]

that's a pretty big loss in damage

well I guess you could just use HPFCR on Duke but not the other 2

[crude jetty]

and maingun being what?

tripple?

[snow snow]

the normal gear

at least for the 1st salvo, Duke should hit first even if Monarch has a barrage gun

[crude jetty]

what is normal gear for duke then?

[snow snow]

like

izumo gun/champ gun/georgia gun

the shelling dmg guns

[crude jetty]

are they ap?

[snow snow]

yes

[crude jetty]

sorry I am still pretty noob

[snow snow]

lol

its fine

[crude jetty]

I am doing the story with pvp ships aswell hahaha

[snow snow]

[crude jetty]

my fleet for pve hahaha

the other one is HMS with Juneau

[trail temple]

@light crystal Time to see how cancer this really is

[crude jetty]

I think the redhead is pretty good vs Shinano?

[light crystal]

🤔

[snow snow]

even sandy wouldn't rlly be able to shoot down all if any of shinano's planes

and the bombs/torps would still be launched

ig she can tank her pretty well tho

[trail temple]

Sadly my washy fleet isn't the best equipped

It did take 1 reset tho

[thick cove]

In terms of gaining more points,
Which one matter the most,enemy fleet power or the ranking?

[trail temple]

Enemy fleet power does nothing

As far as merits are concerned

[snow snow]

ranking

[trail temple]

Technically rank score is what you want to be basing it off of

[snow snow]

every 30-35 points higher they are than you, you get 1 more point for beating them

[thick cove]

Understood
Have a nice day

[hot creek]

35

[late heath]

^

[blazing crescent]

How good is Jean d'arc on a scale from 1 to 10?

[crude mortar]

10 if you know how to use

0 if you are not so smart

[unkempt sparrow]

guys

gear amagi in pvp

which gear i should use

[wet gorge]

ye is their like a gear guide for pvp ?

[trail temple]

Be the change, use offensive aux gear

[midnight heron]

double boiler

[frail orbit]

Fok 2boiler

[trail temple]

zoom zoom battlecruisers

[naive dome]

i just had the weirdest fight against a namagiryuu meta team. The enemy Juneau outlive her entire team.

[trail temple]

That occasionally happens

[blazing crescent]

Juneau center or rearmost position?

I used to have her in center because she was under leveled but now she survives too long there

[midnight heron]

its all rng

[crude mortar]

its all halosited

[elder crane]

I prefer her lead if you run Noshiro, actually

Otherwise trailing is good I think

[trail temple]

Imagine juneau phat heals, thicc 35% on death

[next oxide]

Noob here, is it still viable for a torp fleet? Dont have black torps but I do have 3 pcs of oxy torp.

[candid sluice]

Would I still be able to get aotn of I sandbag first week and rush the second?

[midnight heron]

bruh ive gotten aotn rushing the entire season before so

[candid sluice]

[trail temple]

Noob here, is it still viable for a torp fleet? Dont have black torps but I do have 3 pcs of oxy torp.
Should flex on us a 6 oxytorp fleet

Healing? What's that? Don't need healing if everybody's dead

[crude mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/774543810549907476/774636303358754826/tenor_7.gif

[sour oasis]

Healing? What's that? Don't need healing if everybody's dead
That also applies to you.
If enemy defense fleet with defense debuff if still stronger than your offense fleet, you're playing a dangerous game 🎲

[next garden]

Any way to know or estimate how high we need to get to top 1k?

[crude mortar]

do you know what sandbagging is

[snow snow]

top 1k is just win all your attacks

you don't even need to target far left for it

sandbagging is only necessary if you're aiming for AoTN

[abstract cypress]

7d left

[abstract cypress]

is the shoe better than boiler n friends?

[trail temple]

That also applies to you.
With defender debuff, unlikely. Especially if you're properly levelled and you have appropriate gear that is also levelled. That is the assumption being used.
If enemy defense fleet with defense debuff if still stronger than your offense fleet, you're playing a dangerous game 🎲
If a meteor falls on me while I'm doing a match, I'd definitely lose too...

I'm being a little curt, but if the issue is that the enemy's fleet is stronger than yours, I have my reservations as to whether Pearl Tears is the answer to your problems, there are probably other issues with the team

[naive dome]

gdi all sandbaggers

[sour oasis]

Just sleep more

there are probably other issues with the team
That's the info I'd like to pull out of them

[naive dome]

At least waiting for the sandbagger team pays off

[royal oyster]

if they're rank 1 3.5 hours before the end of a reset, that's no sandbagger. I think there's only one sandbagger here and they're at the bottom of your screen

[trail temple]

That's the info I'd like to pull out of them

• Underlevelled (ship level and gear level)
• Bad gear (using lower tier items (T1 and T2), using bad items (autoloader is not bad okay, just underappreciated) are examples)
• Bad ships (No, Bulin is meta! And Mikasa is a great ship!!!)

[midnight heron]

🤨

[trail temple]

Imagine equipping rainbow torps on Shinano's torp bombers

[midnight heron]

totally not broken

[trail temple]

It's only padding damage

[fleet salmon]

has the tier list been updated?

[light crystal]

How nasty is this on the cancer scale I wonder?

@elder crane Wut u think of Aux for Noshiro? She's lead, Azuma middle, YKKZ 3rd. Total VG speed is 125, so 41.7 average.

[sacred heath]

@light crystal no more cancerous than any other hiryuu comp

[light crystal]

But it's Hiryuu being boosted by Shinano, while being full tank, so VH + Rudder

[storm jewel]

i love to hit this comp for sure, it looks dope

[trail temple]

Personally, I find it easier than Nagato, amagi, shinano

[sacred heath]

amagi defensive effect tu strong

[light crystal]

I dont like it. Amagi has poor DPS.

And in heavy CV meta, Eva Rate dont do jack shit.

[trail temple]

You do you, but, you're making it easier for me to beat your team

[light crystal]

If it were BB heavymeta agin, Amagi shines. Otherwise, against CV's, nr

[sacred heath]

...i'm missing the part where CVs are relevant again besides shinano or hiryuu

[light crystal]

Well, if ur in WA, ur more than welcomed to try and see how it does :v

[trail temple]

Sure

I've played against your previous suggestion

[light crystal]

Too often. BB fleets are dwindling imo

[trail temple]

Shinano, FDG, Amagi iirc

[light crystal]

Well no duh, that's y I switched out Amagi, was losing out DPS

I mirror my Attack to Defense fleets, and I wasn't liking the performance in my Attack (Too many resets for my liking against CV meta). Hense rolling out this new set up

[elder crane]

Rudder is meh, just run another boiler or something

Also Nagato Shinano Hiryuu has been for me so far
Standard vanguard doesn't feel any stronger vs usual meta stuff than Namano/Namaryuu
Torp vanguard feels significantly stronger... Except in torp vs torp matchup which is a fricken coinflip

Like, idk how that works
Torp vanguard offense wrecks standard defense but standard offense works better vs torps?

[light crystal]

Hmm, Already at 41.7 Speed, so dont feel the need to push it to 43 and losing out on 40 EVA for Noshiro lol

[elder crane]

No FE on ykkz?

[light crystal]

I hear that Torp defense has an advantage in torp placement

[elder crane]

It does, but still doesn't explain why standard offense works better tho

[trail temple]

torp defence has the benefit or hitting the backline

of*

[elder crane]

Yes but it still doesn't explain why standard better vs torps but torps better vs standard

[light crystal]

(42 + 8 YKKZ) + (27 + 5 +8 Azuma) + (35 Noshiro) = 125. 125/3 = 41.7

[elder crane]

I think it might be cause torps vs torps comes down to Hiryuu vs Hiryuu a lot