Had a bug with its aa
#pvp
candid sluice
dire stream
didnt all planes have the bug
past egret
Yes
elder crane
There were two bugs
First bug was that new fighter had two sets of 4 cannons instead of 4 cannon + 2 MG gun
Then, either with that or the first time they tried to fix that, all plane AA suddenly became somewhere around 4x as strong
Anyways both are fixed now
silent ocean
bright side we were able to have a little fun with the bug unlike the london one XD
hot creek
Nagato/Shinano/Hiryuu is definitely T0
and demote the rest of the current T0 non-hiryuu comps down to T1
royal oyster
I can believe that, but it requires more testing
hot creek
I only did 4 matches or so but I got walled by this and had to fight a different opponent, even with my double 457's and max DRs. I am 110% convinced at this point, that is the new aids comps. And his zuma isnt even maxed. Running VH armor and rudder on Hiryuu so she couldnt be focused on, and 818 for slow in assisting Shinano nuke. Shinano also cant be focused either unless you apply much more pressure.
Ironically I could see a full HMS BB comp countering this by fully focusing on Shinano since there's no Amagi to give them the bullshit evasion buff anymore.
but normal BB comps are gonna have issues now.
elder crane
Idk I explode those comps just fine
Though boy is Shinano thicc
midnight heron
and im here getting exploded by teams who run full offense backline and take no dmg
how fun
elder crane
130k ish damage that my team dealt?
hot creek
Maybe I just had some Halo luck earlier but I doubt it. Shinano just does so much damage. My VG couldn't last and my BB's weren't doing much damage to their backline.
midnight heron
depends on who u faced tho
ive only met 1 fleet dat i can call a gud namano fleet
elder crane
I've seen a good number around now, this one was defs one of the tougher ones
A good (I assume rudder) Shinano feels quite FdG, takes ~50 s to kill her even with 457 warkai focusing her
hot creek
Literally all the namano fleets ive faced were garbage underleveled or shit VG. This guy's comp is the first properly leveled, properly geared and properly positioned VG I've encountered. The real deal.
somber axle
VH armor rerun pls
sour oasis
Just torp meme Shinano (assuming vanguard survive fighting enemy vanguard / eating Barrage)
delicate egret
namagi/hiryuu or nanano/hiryuu? I’d have to grind up hiryuu anyways 
sour oasis
What's your attack fleet? (That's just a 110 Shinano)
upper sparrow
Maybe its bcs the torpmeme
Shinano comp pretty scary with torpmemes isnt it
Although yukikaze instead of jintsuu
elder crane
If you're running non-Hiryuu/non-french comps, torpmemes is really hard to deal with yeah
Even half-assed ones
Shinano in particular... idk
I suppose she sticks around enough to ryuusei dump your main fleet if your vanguard dies earlier to torpmemes
Imo for shinano torpmemes, Hiryuu is the scarier ship at the end
I'll be trying out nanoyuu torpmemes later myself
midnight heron
some of these torpmeme users needa be reported for hax
fought the same guy again and guess what? his vg doesnt take any significant dmg yet on occasion can drop all 3 of my backlines to 30% hp
every single bb shell dat clearly lands on them? 3 misses. wow such rng bruh
fk off
steady heath
Welp, I did it again
proper sorrel
the season isn't over yet
royal oyster
but it says 1 
stable dawn
tropic dagger
is the exp in pvp worth taking some losses in battle
what i mean is should I just use a 120 metafleet or should I use pvp for exp farming
proper sorrel
the exp gained from pvp is good if you're new to the game
if you're not looking to get high ranks in pvp, feel free to do whatever works for you
sour oasis
As long as you don't care for that 100% mark on your profile
sour oasis
Not using torpedo meme?
storm jewel
ok time to scrap off this season and start anew
missed 10 attacks due to sleep and never got to rank 10
sour oasis
You can still try. A lot of top players missed 5+ tickets this season.
royal oyster
everyone's playing chicken for the next few hours since it's eos. so you could just use your attempts to try to reach it
royal oyster
send them a friend request
gritty cove
Nvm, let me blacklist everyone that doesn't move and they won't appear on the pvp list
somber axle
I'm just taking my +9 and +8s instead of EoS, the try hard Shinano / Torp meme fleet is hard to beat and I got it twice.
sour oasis
Can't counter with torpedoes of your own (and Warspite)?
sour oasis
Ibuki, Yukikaze, Naganami, are potential alternates. (Ayanami too)
gritty cove
The whole point is the crit chance synergy, there's not really "options" for different torps
storm jewel
if you meme, meme properly 
somber axle
Strong meme
topaz stag
Is it worth it to run 818 on shinano? Can she even sync with the good BB?
sour oasis
Are you that Slime on PvP?
elder crane
@topaz stag
But why
And no
Basically.
topaz stag
Idk. Someone suggested 818 and ryuusei, and I can’t tell if they’re trolling me
Since you’re here blue. Any insights on shinano? So far I still prefer fdg over her imo. Not sure if there’s a specific comp to run with her.
elder crane
Tf does 818 on Shinano even do smh
Also idk mine's like 110/140 right now and still 2 LB lol
Facing her on defense
Maybe stronger than FdG, but for sure doesn't spike as hard
Seems to always be a win but never a blowout for my team vs a good namano setup, so far, I don't think I've noticed a good Nagato-Shinano-Hiryuu setup yet
Gotta keep in mind though that secondaries are much less effective for defense
I'd be interested in seeing a proper Nagato-Shinano-Hiryuu-torpmemes setup tbh
Or maybe I've seen one and it's whatever
This is why I want to try these things out myself... 
somber axle
My Shinano is 111, I'll try soon. But I don't have Noshiro/Jintsuu.
topaz stag
Do you run 2 HD, 1 cuda, beacon and rudder as loadout? 
novel drift
gritty cove
Really not worth losing sleep for 2581 on my end 
gritty cove
Sandy sleepin
somber axle
Grats
deep glacier
@royal oyster congratulations~
naive dome
im at 0 score and my opponent's score is 114. Why do I get +32 point. Shouldn't I get 25+(114/35)=25+3=28 ?
royal oyster
did you check their score in the top 100 leaderboard?
naive dome
yes i did
royal oyster
oh wait it's not divided by 35
point thresholds are all different until you hit +10 base
naive dome
icic
deep glacier
I dedicate this 1st place to Genshin Impact, without that game this couldn't be possible
sour oasis
Actually surprised GI only lowered tier by just 10 points.
Top 100 try hards still trylng hard.
trail temple
I blame work for me not sandbagging as well as I normally do
hot creek
I blame me for actually going to bed at healthy hours recently. Worth.
sour oasis
spare iron
How outdated is Eldridge?
proper sorrel
very
crude mortar
paired with azuma and jean darc to tilt people at eos
cay'd them to the next season
hot creek
Eldridge is underrated
and if Nagato/Hiryuu/Shinano catches on, she could be very useful for counterting them
crude mortar
ever heard of our lord and savior fire suppressor
havn't had any problem vs nagato azuma since I run all fire supressor
go try it
fire suppressor should been rainbow rarity
hot creek
Nagato shits on everything when she procs, whats your point. And Azuma can only do so much by herself before Eldridge goes off.
crude mortar
nagato barrage dealing less than 30%^ of my vg
like 2k dmg or some shit
go use fire supressor and laugh at nagato
you'll understand
elder crane
Ah yes, FE good vs Azuma who does her dmg by smacking shit with her main guns
If you're on Avrora, I wouldn't mind trying my hand vs your eld setups
crude mortar
i didn't lvling eldrige
azuma dmg isn't high tho
your azuma doesn't actually dealing dmg when I attack too after I use fe
my cls doesn't die to your azuma and having like 30% hp at 35ths if you think azuma dmg is high then whatever
guess how many times I test vs your gimmick jean darc azuma defend fleet
on that day is the day I realize azuma doesn't do jack shit vs fire supressor
I went from 20% to 80% winrate vs your fleet from changing into fire supp and test 40+ run
and since that day I use fire suppressor and dont have problem vs azuma nagato ever again
they dont do jackshit
just burn
using azuma jeandarc maybe a good idea if enemy dont try using fe
I was surprised againts your defend fleet until I figured out that azuma dont do jack shit dmg vs fire suppressor
its like a gimmick
your azuma cant even kill my juneu tank until almost 30s if I use fire suppressor but my backline would've died first so yep
storm jewel
thats lot of jackshit they didnt do 
sour oasis
Barring torpedo meme strikes, why does my flagship tend to die first? Is it RNG the enemy (Nagato, Amagi, Warspite, FdG, etc) just randomly targeting her? Or is it massive splash damage?
proper sorrel
cos middle takes most damage
sour oasis
Really? I don't often damage the enemy middle...
I have to use Barrage or Warspite just to damage a wing ship.
Am I doing something wrong on attack?
Heck, how do I make my torp-meme guarantee 9k shot.
upper cove
I mean you use her for those debuffs/backline buffs anyways
elder crane
@sour oasis
Ryuuseis focus flagship preferentially if they're striking main fleet
Also Nagato barrage wrecks medium armor
If it's not those two, it might be main gun RNG, esp 457 from esp FdG
If it's none of those, idk what's up, that's really weird
Did you not run a rudder/badge on her?
@amber prawn
I'd rec you stack defensive aux on Amagi, she really extends survivability of especially main fleet (worth more eHP than Juneau!)
Though you could try some other options
amber prawn
Defensive aux huh?
I just put normal stuff on her
Should I do this then?
@elder crane
elder crane
Oh god 🗞️
Bad, no shells in PvP 
SG radar on most represent same avg dmg due to the hitrate boost vs PvP ships, which unlike PvE ships, actually have some amount of evasion/luck
And +15 eva is a pretty solid survivability boost for ships that have that low evasion
Anyways full defensive Amagi is VH armor+rudder yeah
amber prawn
Ok thanks
storm jewel
VH armor
sour oasis
Did you not run a rudder/badge on her?
... No? I give my BB extra shells and HPFCR because nothing like more hit% (against flex players who rudder)
I reserve my badge for Hiryu (or whoever has to tank Warspite)
I'm hating 457 on defense more and more (especially since it seems like more and more people have them. And are flexing them)
sour oasis
SG+SG over white+HPFCR?
elder crane
Which you'll have to reposition to not get focused
SG+HPFCR at least much better on most
Barely if any avg dmg loss vs good fleet (read: rudder spam) and you get a nice +15 evasion at least
It's still very vulnerable to 457 especially, yeah, so generally you want rudder/badge if you use HPFCR
sour oasis
Argh. Equipment layout is a terrible meta chess match.
I give tank rudder+VH and torpedoes sink her.
I give Nagato higher hit %, but 457 splash RNG hits her.
If I give her high evasion, her shots miss, the match drags on, then my Hiryu is in trouble.
This is why my pocket battleship tends to survive more (unless torp meme gets to her too)
elder crane
That's why you just 2 SG her, imo
HPFCR is just not critical on Nagato
SG+rudder is fine too since 36% of the time Nagato does nothing all that relevant anyways
Anyways
Nagato doesn't really care much about firing that bit earlier
Even in barrage v barrage scenario, Nagato barrage travels so slowly that all else equal, nonHPFCR Nagato already activates full barrage before HPFCR Nagato lands barrage
Unlike Amagi, where Amagi barrage travels fairly fast
sour oasis
I thought hpfcr was for the extra hit %? Because rudder flex.
elder crane
HPFCR is +36 hit +20 FP
SG radar is +35 hit +15 evasion
The reason for using it vs rudder is that some triple guns on some ships hit into rudder timing otherwise
Some hit into rudder timing only with HPFCR as well, which is lul
coral wren
coral wren
Hehe
coral wren
I your backline is better
But my backline is currently training
So in the meantime I got my lvl120 cranes out in the field
leaden solar
without any sandbagging, can i still reach admiral of the navy every Month?
sour oasis
Yes, but only if you have a well timed rush. And also don't lose. And get at least one bonus a refresh.
Maybe more if you're on a tryhard server
On Avrora for example, you need about 40 bonus ladder-points to get AotN. Keripo's baseline chart was unpinned, but if you follow Cay's pinned post, they could have stopped dragging (camping for bonuses) after day 1, as long as every exercise afterwards was won, and rushed (suddenly use all their tickets) on day 12 or 13 they would still get AotN.
naive dome
easiest rush should be the 2nd to last refresh of the season
sour oasis
I find day 13 onward to be calmer, but you need a high-ish score.
Day 12 3rd refresh is when most people play right as the refresh happens (especially from those who only have +20 or +30 bonus points), but with +40 you can wait it out, maybe get +2 from the rush, and calmly reach for AotN on day 13 in a time not close to refresh (when a crowd moves).
elder crane
You... really don't need that many bonus points lol
Mostly just not lose and fight no one lower ranked until rush
Even at 6 bonus-equivalent/day (remember, bonuses before +10 are proportionally worth less), over 12 days that's just +72
And with roughly that much sandbag and 9 matches missed, I've still taken AotN once and even a temp r1 the other time
amber prawn
Why is juneau recommended for pvp?
coral wren
Martyr
amber prawn
that is better than more fire power?
coral wren
Azuma and yukikaze are extreme survivability ships
They will do much more surviving longer
With that 25% hp restore from jun
elder crane
+25% HP to 5 ships, so yeah
Especially when main fleet ships do more than vanguards
gritty cove
You know they don't care about pvp when june doesn't have a skin 
amber prawn
So should I max jun out?
elder crane
She's a PvP staple but not exactly particularly useful in PvE, so up to you
sour oasis
It's easier to raise Juneau to be an extra HP gain (and then slowly raise your backline) than it is to raise the vanguard FP needed to overpower opponents.
amber prawn
Well, maybe I’ll raise her when I have two teams of 120
Right now my chapayev still need the exp
sour oasis
Even at 6 bonus-equivalent/day (remember, bonuses before +10 are proportionally worth less), over 12 days that's just +72
@elder crane wait, 6 bonus a day? That's kind of generous. On my rushing runs (my work schedule is either 24/7 or 0), I tend to assume an average of +3 bonus points/day (because some times I need to do 10 tickets in 10 minutes), and +36 just barely won't handle the scramble on day 12 without a little help.
elder crane
Then it's even better, since I missed 9 matches and it didn't stop me
The fewer bonuses I got that season = the less reqs on bonuses needed for temp AotN rushing
You obviously don't day 12 scamble then
Day 13 or early day 14 is easiest
storm jewel
gritty cove
Has anyone tried using champagne yet even if she's a little on the weaker side?
Finally hit that dev 25
sour oasis
You obviously don't day 12 scamble then
Nope. Too much lag.
I imagine aggressive sandbag (hourly checks) would probably get 5+ daily on average, which gives a bigger cushion for missing/losing tickets.
I don't think you can AotN with 3 daily bonus points and five missed tickets. You wouldn't even get 2200 until day 13 by which a two refreshes worth of players will be clogging the list.
elder crane
Yeah, but the situation is where "if you don't miss any fights, then bonus is barely needed at all"
Given that 9 matches missed cancels out almost all of the bonus you'd be getting even with a good amount of sandbag, the fact that I've twice hit AotN despite missing 9 (and even a temp r1 once!) means that if you just want to hit AotN, you don't really need to sandbag much at all
Just fight left side, keep more than 5/10 until rush, don't lose, then do a day 13 rush, ezpz
storm jewel
do i get good bonus hitting this guy?👀
storm jewel
truee
im just wondering cuz he is the same rank title like me
but higher number rank
got 16
royal oyster
next rank is at 550 so you're not going to see anyone with that
storm jewel
ohh right i should pay attention to the requirement too
sour oasis
Yeah, but the situation is where "if you don't miss any fights, then bonus is barely needed at all"
100% true. No sandbag, but you do need some bonus. I am being pedantic about how much. Most of it should come from one big bonus a day (mostly from week 1).
Given that 9 matches missed cancels out almost all of the bonus you'd be getting even with a good amount of sandbag, the fact that I've twice hit AotN despite missing 9 (and even a temp r1 once!) means that if you just want to hit AotN, you don't really need to sandbag much at all
I think in those times you sandbagged really well and\or were really lucky
I've made AotN with 8 lost tickets, but I dragged like all hell before and after losing them. I picked up almost 140 bonus points that season.
I've also failed AotN with 7 missed tickets because I rushed so much I didn't get any bonuses last week.
I like tracking my score against the baseline PvP chart (the one that shows an almost minimum score run) -- a season is about 2500 points. I assume I will get no bonuses from wherever I am today to day 14 and see if I am 40 points up (which usually happens day 10 without much trouble). That's the safe point in case I do get 0 bonus the rest of the season.
Also, what is a 'temp r1'?
royal oyster
what's the lowest score you've gotten on a day 13 rush and still made it?
sour oasis
Day 13? Probably something above 2330. Two seasons ago, I needed to wait until day 14 2nd refresh to get AotN with barely over 2500.
elder crane
A bit over 2310 iirc, day 13 2nd reset
sour oasis
Bluerender do all their rushes around refresh time?
I am very inconsistent and half the time go a few hours after refresh.
keen obsidian
120 rank difference should I take the fight?
sour oasis
@keen obsidian depends on server, but that's probably no bonus.
You want to be done within first 5 min if possible
While true, that's ||often|| not always possible.
keen obsidian
got 18 pts for that win, not too bad?
elder crane
For a hard rush, you eat those +9 if needed and refresh to find easy teams
I've done 5 matches in just over 3 min before
keen obsidian
somehow when I get past the mid tiers, almost all the fights are ez
elder crane
Granted, that was me being pepega and forgetting to do PvP and starting matches 4 min before reset at 10/10
keen obsidian
when I'm barely 1000 ranks thats when I see 14k, 15k fleets
elder crane
In actual rush, 4 min or so is the best I've done
all the ppl w teams like that on def are going for higher ranks
Which means they hold more matches for sandbagging
sterile bobcat
SGR+Rudder is fine on warkai right? or is there something else I should use?
storm jewel
hpfcr good on her?
elder crane
I'd suggest 2 SG since she's a dmg carry unit
Or HPFCR/White shell+Rudder
If you're feeling brave
SG+HPFCR/White shell
She's one of the few BBs that can actually use white shell well in PvP due to very high base hit stat and being a dmg carry
HPFCR with triples is a bit pepega
120/200 warkai at least hits straight into rudder proc timing with her aimed shot
Which is
Great for 457 though
sterile bobcat
tbh so far I've been using SGR+white mostly because I dont have HPFCR and not enough rudders
I was wondering what combination of those equips would be the best, but I suppose there isn't really a best 
elder crane
The problem with just SG for evasion is that she can be quite vulnerable to stray shells/torps/etc in that case
Can't do dmg if dead after all
And good offense teams usually like less RNG
sterile bobcat
On a somewhat related note - how well does richy do with SGR+white?
elder crane
Pretty sure Richi dmg-wise isn't much worse off w 2 SG
Also as a jfyi
If you don't know yet
HPFCR does work on preloaded ships
It reduces the first reload period, so the second salvo loads faster
sterile bobcat
oh yeah I'm aware of that one
vague haven
gritty cove
Screw the French plan, this works well so far
crude mortar
hms amagi
lethal lark
looks like I'm not the only one who runs that comp
amber prawn
Who is that in the middle?
fading hollow
Is the pinned PvP tier list up to date?
fading hollow
Yeah thats what i was wondering, thanks
mint hornet
Ship in the middle is Howe @amber prawn
mint hornet
Tier list isn't updated but
Shinano is strong, FCR on BB's, new AA gun on Juneau
PR3 ships aren't strong in pvp
Hm yea she should be since she can hold the beaver badge in the middle
gritty cove
This way I can remove the topmost ship faster like fdg and not have warspite or howe die before amagi. In a ap shell battle that is
It's hard to find proper teams to say for sure what's best
Like I had to move june to tank since she wouldn't die quick enough, but would then torpmemes kill her too quick
elder crane
With Noshiro+torpbulge, on offense, nonissue
Also Nep
Azuma is worth that -12% FP on Howe imo
sour oasis
Hm. I've amassed 40 bonus points, but missed 5 tickets (a net -10 bonus).
There's 35 refreshes left (reasonably 12, 35, or 70 points depending on dragging technique).
I don't expect to rush at peak time, so I'm hoping to get at least 50 of those points.
Let's see if I AotN this season. 
remote inlet
ryuusei or barracuda for shinano?
gritty cove
Azuma, I sleep
Well mostly that frontline is extreme anti torp
Doesn't really happen
trail temple
elder crane
@remote inlet
Ryuusei
Shinano lives long enough to start smacking main fleet w it
FdG tankiness after all
remote inlet
ic ic, thanks
keen obsidian
am I supposed to break the 1000 rank and stay there? seems like it fluctuates a lot after resets
storm jewel
am I supposed to break the 1000 rank and stay there? seems like it fluctuates a lot after resets
@keen obsidian u cant stay at the same place like at all
but u can maintain your score and fight at the right moment to move to your desired rank
keen obsidian
still dont quite get the scoring methods. I just try to beat the guy on the left mostly
storm jewel
right u r doing it correctly
now just try to keep your attack at 5/10 before every reset, just spend like 5 so 10/10 to 5/10
so you dont move up so high and get beaten down so fast
but more detail u should check the advanced pvp guide video in pin
its quite good, and stalk here to learn how to be a bad guy from others
sour oasis
Essentially achieving the pvp rank-based bonuses is like salmon swimming upstream. It's a marathon not a sprint.
keen obsidian
I tried to spread out my fights so the left guy gains rank...but prone to falling asleep and forgot to fight etc.
worthy cave
After getting AOTN once, I realized PvP is less about building a PvP fleet and more about maximizing point gain. Any tips on how to do that?
keen obsidian
so the leave 5 fights alone style might not be for me
trail temple
I mean, you can rush to aotn, but the margin for error is so much smaller
Not taking losses, not taking wins where you're getting less points than the base amount
candid sluice
Is queen e still viable?
trail temple
Viable, yeah sorta... good no
And by viable, your backline has to be actually solid for it to have a chance. Basically any non-IJN/non-Rich/Amagi team is gonna struggle at the top
sour oasis
The first biggest threat to ladder point gaining is sleeping through your tickets (100% chance of lost points).
The second are flex fleets, where players put out their best ships in an effort to slow you down (or cause you to lose your ticket). Even with a good counter fleet, you may have to restart the fight.
The 3rd major threat is inactivity from other players. If your 4 random opponents don't move, you don't get bonus points needed to give you an edge in the final few days.
keen obsidian
slept through a reset....as expected. my left guy becomes rank 2
naive dome
a strategy before you sleep is to rush until you reach higher than 150, then spam your unused reset to get matched with a rank 10+, who is hopefully 35 score above you
though this strategy is only really viable after gensui
storm jewel
after 2 sleeping seasons now this time i wont loose to my sleep 
keen obsidian
Probably stupid question but at higher ranks should I use 120ships for the win and forget about exp gain?
hot creek
depends whether you care more about merits/pvp ranking or care more about the xp from pvp.
keen obsidian
Lost once or twice this season, not sure if Gensui is still attainable
proper sorrel
definitely possible
spring kestrel
should amagi or warspite tank snipes from enemy warspite?
trail temple
You can run ihr + badge for max evasion
should amagi or warspite tank snipes from enemy warspite?
If you have vh armor then amagi can tank it fine
storm jewel
i thought VH turns amagi into heavy and takes more ap damage from warkai
harsh moon
med armor takes more dmg from AP
elder crane
VH armor vs BB AP/HE shelling is about as good as rudder
Vs Amagi/Nagato barrages, it's massively better (1.3 mod vs medium but just 0.7 vs heavy lol)
vs plane suicide dmg it's slightly better since it has +650 HP and rudder does nothing
Worse vs bombs, aerial torps, and surface torps
storm jewel
will pretend i didnt read it 
midnight heron
still have no idea how centaur is outdmging namagi
once she gets her 2nd airstrike off its almost guaranteed for her to get mvp for some reason
naive dome
if vg dies early carrier will outdamage bb
topaz blade
For shinano, should I use slowing swordfish or barracuda?
Other backliners are Amagi and Nagato, if that matters
elder crane
I'd use swordfish over cudas probably
But would rather run Helldiver or ryuuseis
keen obsidian
what should I do if my rank is higher than any of the people I can fight?
hot creek
you either contend with losing a couple points or stop using your matches at 5/10
trail temple
Or, press refresh
sour oasis
And pray to RNGesus
I've finally made up for my lost tickets. Time to 
I get +2 every refresh from here to day 13.
storm jewel
@elder crane u said before that triple +FCR warkai was pepega cuz she shot into rudder timing
but
just checked now without fcr, she actually shot into that rudder timing
with fcr she can avoid it by shooting at ~17.00 ish
elder crane
Oh, the french AP gun might just be that bit faster
Though, hmm, no... Italian 381 did that too and iirc that's same reload, no?
Lemme check
Oh, right faster velocity
Anyways, french gun +HPFCR
BBs have that 0.5 s delay before they fire, and shells take time to travel
That's actually second salvo, first salvo lands at like 19.9 s when timer is still 4:41
So all the other triples hit right into rudder timing
French gun is just tied for fastest loading standard triple and has that ~17% higher shell velocity
@storm jewel
storm jewel
so what you said is
the pr3 gun+ fcr will land the first salvo and let other 2 salvos into rudder timing ?
but without fcr it wont happen
elder crane
Yeah I didn't realize that the 17% higher velocity of the french triple meant it actually works with HPFCR
elder crane
It works, yeah
storm jewel
elder crane
For 120/200 warkai, french AP can use HPFCR
elder crane
4:40 proc exactly as it hits that timer
Until 4:38
elder crane
I learned something new too, thx
Anwyays if you have a reload buff, like Howe or QE, that also messes with things, in favor of running HPFCR
Idk if Howe buff is large enough, but QE buff on warkai means she that running triples without HPFCR, she fires into rudder proc...
storm jewel
im just meta pleb trying to optimize warkai dps with scuffed french gun, no resource to use other meme fleet yet
final lion
yo guys, I'm new to the pvp setting. Can you tell me about this "perfect speed" I heard in a few guides. If I recall correctly, it's the ideas speed to dodge torps and barrage fire from the backline. What is this exactly and how much speed you need for it?
storm jewel
@final lion i never heard anyone mentions about "perfect speed"
but rule of thumb dont bring more than 1 CA (ibuki or Algérie for some reason people think she helps w torp meme) into pvp or u eat lots of torp
keen obsidian
14k fleets look scary
elder crane
@final lion
Sweet spot most ppl agree on is enough +speed aux to put vanguard at average speed stat of DDs
(+1 per CL, +1 per CA usually) and then also have beaver badge
1 less speed aux than that is still okay, not the end of the world
1 more speed aux than that is still useful if you can spare it
This will let you dodge battleship main guns and CV bombs unless they run a slow effect
This is also why BB guns vs vanguard and CV bombs are unreliable unless you apply some sort of slow effect
storm jewel
good lord learn something new today
gritty cove
So how much does luck stat play in dodging attacks
Is there a way to calculate
Having more success with Howe flag and amagi top
Although we'll see when I encounter a proper ap shell team
frail orbit
Idk if Howe buff is large enough, but QE buff on warkai means she that running triples without HPFCR, she fires into rudder proc...
@elder crane thats pretty new hmmm, so use my 457 for FDG?
final lion
@elder crane and how much is the average DD speed? something like 28 or 30?
also, how can you calculate speed? Take the average of the vanguard ships' speed and that how fast your vanguard will travel?
gritty cove
What I do is sum up the vanguard speed numbers and aim for 120-125 total, which should be the most optimal
It can be more or less depending on some things
atomic mango
So how much does luck stat play in dodging attacks
@gritty cove
gritty cove
ic
tranquil dock
I'd just like to confirm sth, it's first pr3 gun I've unlocked lmao
should i use it on warspite once lvl10?
I don't have the purple one yet, 32/50 despite constant investments into pr
trail temple
Yeah, it's better ammo, and the weapon coefficient is slightly better as well
elder crane
Basically like 5% ish more dmg vs med/heavy
It might look the same from ingame info panel (less base dmg, higher armor mods), but ofc there's a hidden dmg coefficient that's for whatever reason higher on the PR3 gun (110% vs 105%)
You can find this info on wiki
Really, this is just like, so close yet so far on devs finally being transparent on weapon stats
The hidden coeff difference for some weapons is very large
tranquil dock
thank you guys 🍺
sour oasis
Really, this is just like, so close yet so far on devs finally being transparent on weapon stats
elder crane
Imagine telling your pepega players anything at all smh
Go datamine it if you care so much smh
coral wren
Is Reppu better than Sea Hornet in PvP?
storm jewel
i would like to know why reppu better
trail temple
#rip season
crude mortar
storm jewel
@hot creek are u on sandy ?
hot creek
ye
storm jewel
nice, saw your name in exercise and give it a few tries
sacred heath
QT meme dream team almost done 
Vanguard will have sirius and yuugure for the CV buffs
0.01% of attackers will get rekt. Otherwise, free xp for everyone
sour oasis
That's clearly not Nagato. It must be Akagi.
coral wren
royal oyster
someone who's rank 1 15 minutes into a reset isn't really rank 1
coral wren
Just noticed that XD
cinder crater
We're not 15 minutes into a reset though
royal oyster
it was when you took that screenshot
coral wren
No now that I look at it it’s not
royal oyster
it shows the timer on the top right
cinder crater
Well it was a meta fleet regardless
coral wren
Wouldn’t it be like impossible to get to rear admiral in 15 mins
cinder crater
That's what I'm saying
royal oyster
15 minutes into the reset as of like an hour ago
cinder crater
like wut
coral wren
Yeah I agree with ya XD
proper sorrel
when you hit fdg with ryuuseis
somber axle
No one is moving, I think 1000 is too low for this point of the season.
Everyone in this range is on vacation. 
royal oyster
if your rank is too low you're stuck with everyone who's not consistently playing so you probably need to rush higher
somber axle
Yup
coral wren
keen obsidian
can I ever kill Juneau last?
cinder crater
Just kill her first
sour oasis
Everyone in this range is on vacation.
I'm not.
I think it's mostly casuals who do the 5 for dailies.
proper sorrel
im doing 3s
midnight heron
vs namano 
zenith lake
do you let hiryuu tank warkai's barrages? or save final encounter for the end?
forest lake
For me I do unless opponent also has Hiryuu
She soaks up a lot of damage
Which would otherwise kill others
trail temple
Don't do it on the first reset you can get aotn, or the last
The first reset you can pick up a lot of extra points
After that it stabilises out and you can get it whenever
The last reset is obvious, everyone who has been sandbagging will be finishing their attempts so you will be unlikely to get it
storm jewel
so when is the first reset and when is the golden moment @trail temple
trail temple
Going by server time: Friday 12pm is the first reset, so any time between that and Sunday 6pm
royal oyster
not a lot of people can reach it on the first reset, and pretty much anyone who can do that can aotn whenever they want. the one you want to avoid if you're close is Friday 6pm reset when the big rush happens
storm jewel
oh cool
so i just do normal attack to 5/10
then after a perfect reset time I spend all 10 to get it ?
perfect time would be 12am saturday reset then
royal oyster
12pm reset on saturday or sunday seem to be the lowest traffic ones
crude mortar
storm jewel
second week is the time i eat constantly +1 as bonus 
waiting for someone to hit admiral to see if i get more bonus as rear
mint hornet
if you plan to rush a reset, just go down to 0/10 before it and then quickly do the 5 you get from the reset
mint hornet
yea
the leaderboards you see on your screen doesn't dynamically update until you either do a battle or relogin to the game
but people are moving around in the ranks in the meantime/background
sour oasis
@storm jewel if you have a lot of extra bonus points, you can safely rush on day 12 refresh 2, possibly taking 9- or even 8-point victories. But you would get AotN done.
If you have very few bonus points, look into trying for it on day 13 or even 14.
sour oasis
That's good right?
storm jewel
like always less than 50 points with 5/10 left
idk i never try to rush before
sth could happen
sour oasis
You're fine. You don't even have to rush at refresh. Looks like you have 60 bonuses anyway.
storm jewel
but when u say day 12 refresh 2
which point in time is that
just gotta note it down
sour oasis
Assuming you're on server time: Friday after 1200N before 1800P
storm jewel
12pm cali time
sour oasis
It sounds like you have 1600 points if you use all your tickets right now.
sour oasis
OK, wow, I even guessed under what your score is
storm jewel
i take it as a good sign
sour oasis
Right now, it's day 8, refresh 2.
With 8/10 tickets left, a person with absolutely no bonuses would have about 1466.
A moderate amount of bonuses would be 30 for today.
You're 65 above.
sour oasis
Players with a moderate bonus score can easily get AotN through regular play (maybe rush before day 14 refresh 3).
storm jewel
i gotta sleep before 3am reset so i didnt get lots of bonus from this reset
sour oasis
At the rate you were playing, if you were tracking your bonuses, I could also suggest stop dragging to harvest bonuses after you hit 40.
Once you get that many bonus points, you can just rush to 0/10 for the rest of the season and get AotN by day 13 (Saturday).
storm jewel
so should i rush around friday 1200N or 6pm server time?
sour oasis
If you want to get AotN and not care about anything any more. You have so many bonus points, unless you sleep through a refresh or delay it to the end of day 14, you're going to hit top-10 whenever you use the rest of your tickets.
sour oasis
Friday, California time, between noon and 6pm, is the earliest you can reach the minimum 2200 to get AotN.
You could fight the user on your far right ten times and probably rush to number 1 on your server... Because (a.) most players want to wait it out and (b.) few players would be near 2200 by then.
storm jewel
yeah i heard players sleep on sandy 
sour oasis
If you've ever been in the top 50, you'll notice sometimes your far-left choice is at a lower rank than you are.. That's just game RNG.
It gets worse if you're top 10 and out of refreshes.
sour oasis
If you're in a hurry, just fight them (far-left should give +9... far-right might be out of top-100 and give +7)
10 what per day?
storm jewel
refresh
sour oasis
I think we get 5 refreshes per day.
There's no reason to save them if you're just looking to AotN with so many bonus points.
Use them when you want to. Use them to cycle a faster match even.
It depends how important your time is. Do you need to focus on something else, do you want to be a top-100 player at end-of-season, etc.
storm jewel
I just want to reach top 10 or 1 for at least 1
sour oasis
Do you want to pull a Chibi Goku (Avrora) and hog the top-10 spot for 10 extra merit per fight....
royal oyster
if you're ending this reset at 1561, you can probably just rush immediately at friday 12pm if you wanted to
as long as you don't get 8 points every fight you should be fine
sour oasis
Here's the Chibi Goku story:
They have like 60 to 70 bonuses come Friday. They play down to 3/10 or 4/10 and hit AotN as early as possible...
...
Then they sit and refresh every few hours to see if they drop from 3rd to 9 or 10 and then burn another ticket to keep them in top-10 (and get 100 merit for the ticket)
royal oyster
or you could try to sandbag harder and try to win eos with lucky post-gensui bonuses
sour oasis
Even if May did get 8 points per fight, I think they would still be top-10 with a ticket left over.
Please May, don't be a Chibi Goku.
storm jewel
8 points seem pretty terrible, hope i dont get it
nah im good with merit, im going for title
sour oasis
Well, you'd have to be actively trying to get it if you were getting it 10 times in a row 
royal oyster
well if you're intent on getting aotn first you're going to eat a couple of those since there might not be anyone even within 35 pts
sour oasis
royal oyster
it's fine as long as you don't care about end of season points
sour oasis
Like I said earlier, you have a lot of bonuses right now. You can play the rest of the season getting +10's and still get that title.
You don't have to worry about getting bonuses if your goal is just the title.
royal oyster
it looks like you're tied with the reference score right now, which can theoretically hit 2600
storm jewel
oh nice didnt know about it
maybe i should keep doing what i do to see if i can even hit 2600+
sour oasis
You're trying to get them to be an EoS player vice? 
royal oyster
well that one gets some insane luck friday-sunday
storm jewel
my torp meme not even max levels, prolly get bullied hard last few days
sour oasis
Your defense fleet is only to flex.
royal oyster
people need to put something up, otherwise sandbaggers would do real stupid stuff
royal oyster
like do 4 attempts in 60 seconds stupid
storm jewel
right, i barely lost to anyone except that one man "Torvar" long time ago with dev30 fdg/azuma, somehow his fleet is strong comparing to other dev30 rainbow
rocky shadow
I wonder if azuma Dev 20 will good on pvp?
sour oasis
Sometimes, by chance or by design, you just run into someone who has your number.
If Azuma (dev 20) is all you have, you can make it work. Otherwise work elsewhere.
storm jewel
I read the other day Phoenix lost constantly to some shinano/hiryuu team with dev25azuma/juneau/yukikaze frontline
i wonder what gear this azuma has
rocky shadow
Idk maybe boiler? To avoid the ryuusei torp
storm jewel
thats what im trying to figure out
elder crane
@sour oasis Dev20 Azuma is already competitive among top vanguards @rocky shadow
sour oasis
Dev 20? What?
Isn't her at 25 when her HP matters more (and her arcing shots are less of a liability)
gritty cove
Dev20 is what I used for a long ass time, worked fine
sour oasis
'Works fine' I believe. 'Competitive top vanguard material' I find difficult.
elder crane
No, like legit
In standard vanguard, she's already clearly better than anyone not ykkz/jun/Noshiro by around dev 20
Well, I haven't really compared JdA (probably Azuma better) and Richi-boosted Sanrui (probably Sanrui better with Richi buff)
But other than those, clearly better than the likes of Jint/Ibuki/Bel/Aurora/Sheff
Now, whether she's worth slotting in over one of ykkz/jun/Noshiro, mmmm
For most teams I've run back then, slotting in dev 20 Azuma instead of one of those was a bit whatever, didn't seem to matter
So, among the top seems reasonable
sour oasis
Well, I haven't really compared JdA (probably Azuma better) and Richi-boosted Sanrui (probably Sanrui better with Richi buff)
But other than those, clearly better than the likes of Jint/Ibuki
I've got a dev-20 Azuma I'm not 100% comfortable putting in over Jintsu/Ibuki on an IJN synergy team. She fits, maybe lasts a bit longer while dealing less damage, but not a clear advantage. And definitely not replacing a top performer like Yukikaze or Noshiro.
But if the HMS trio is the cut-off for 'top', yes, dev 20 Azuma belongs with that.
elder crane
Wdym less dmg
Also Jint not in a torpteam is not even as good as the others I listed
Standard vanguard
Same with Ibuki
And I actually did replace ykkz with dev 20ish Azuma after Noshiro
Not really overall better or worse for most teams
Which kinda says a lot
Though maybe with black-oxy torpmemes around now, environment is a bit more hostile for Azuma
Jint/Ibuki for a standard vanguard setup is basically the "ugh, I need another IJN" options
cinder crater
Somehow I'm able to beat dev30 DR 457 teams with richy-warkai-amagi, azuma-ykkz-noshiro
I have no 457, not even a champy gun, and my azuma is only dev26
royal oyster
you're not supposed to lose due to attacker advantage. lots of people don't run meta defensive give either so they won't be hard to beat
sour oasis
Wdym less dmg
Though maybe with black-oxy torpmemes around now, environment is a bit more hostile for Azuma
This. Mine doesn't often live long enough to really damage the main fleet. She falls into the same 'ugh I need another IJN' option.
I'm assuming this will change when I eventually get her to dev 25.
elder crane
Yeah, she doesn't do that much yet early. Her main role is slapping around enemy vanguards. Even dev20, with her first reload+barrage, she on avg knocks off ~1/4 of the HP on enemy CL/ykkz vanguard and sets fires.
The splash on her guns is really nasty for that， basically mini-BB
And clearing out enemy vanguard earlier means your main fleet will then focus fire on their main fleet sooner
sour oasis
What does Azuma's auto-aim prioritize in PvP? Vanguard, main, lowest HP, etc?
It may be a speedy meme defender, but I tend to see her arcing shots miss, relying on the outer edges of her splash damage to hurt vanguard ships.
cinder crater
Her main gun usually goes for the enemy vanguard if they're alive
But her barrage likes to shoot the backline for some reason
elder crane
Backline is basically consolation prize for when vanguard isn't in gun angle
It's closest in gun angle as usual
Azuma gun angle is not much better than CA firing angles, and we all know how half the time CAs can't even shoot at anything
Azuma at least shoots at enemy main during those times
And yes, she mostly just clips with splash dmg, not that there's any diff in dmg numbers for splash vs direct hit in AL
If she does land her shots though
Splashes on all three enemy vanguard 
alpine sand
well well well
sour oasis
Haah. I might hit 40 net bonus points at day 14. That should mean guaranteed AotN if I complete all my tickets before refresh.
Might even try rushing on a day 13 refresh to see if I can AotN with just 35 net.
This season feels more active than last. I wonder if EoS bottom 10 will be normal.
royal oyster
usually I hit aotn sandbagging day 13/14 reset 2 at around 95
beginning of the reset 60 down from that should be easy
sour oasis
Yeah, I say net bonus because I slept through yet another refresh this season. Getting those 50 back last week was pretty annoying.
royal oyster
there's still a mandatory client update to ruin it for everyone
sour oasis
Just refreshing my memory that it's hard to get back within AotN after losing 5 tickets.
Wait. What.
Argh. Well, I've been rushing as much as I've been dragging. Just gotta make sure I keep the rhythm going.
trail temple
I missed 3 this season too, pretty livid about it still
sour oasis
Being old and responsible bites.
keen obsidian
WTF my Bremerton got tagged by Warkai even though my backline is alive
sour oasis
By her regular salvo or her Divine Marksman?
Regular salvo can still hit anywhere. Divine is what targets a specific ship.
keen obsidian
divine, she actually has the bullseye mark on
trail temple
Sometimes it happens
Your frontline may occasionally be further back than your backline at the time of the snipe
unique plume
Hey guys is it possible to be within the top 10 of exercise using French ships only, with no richeliu? In the lexington server
trail temple
If you can win consistently and without too many resets, sure?
elder crane
Top 10 more about nolifing sandbagging than having a particularly good fleet
You just need a fleet that can RNG a win vs anything
somber axle
I've lost way too many Hiryuu mirrors this season.
Enterprise at least is easy to beat.
leaden solar
does anyone use shinano on pvp? who should i replace, hiryuu/warkai or amagi
trail temple
I see more people run Namaginano
slender atlas
have hard time to deal with hyryu fleet, any advise? sometime i use war kai to kill hyryu first but it not always work. And my standard team with nagato amagi fdg usually lose too
hot creek
probably something wrong with your equipment or VG then
slender atlas
🤔azuma yuki +noshiro/jeane is my most use VG. my equip is fine
all bb use radar+ eva. Vg use spd+ eva
trail temple
You really shouldn't be struggling against Hiryuu then
Unless you're being peak pepega and not using bulges into torp memes
hot creek
If you're fighting Juneau teams with that VG, it could be a problem.
thats probably why
slender atlas
yes, juneau and yuki heal back hyryu alot and he destroy my team
which VG to use then?
elder crane
Your own Juneau
Also try double SG warkai
And run AP gun on her
Also, I assume one of the "rudder" is actually beaver badge?
If not, do run the beaver badge
Also what is vanguard running?
Evasion should only be put on Azuma, optionally, otherwise moar +speed, and torpbulge on lead vanguard
And Fire extinguisher on ykkz
And ofc don't forget your pearl
next oxide
Does quitting a match before defeat affects your climb to the top?
elder crane
Nope
That's why we say that you don't need a particularly great team in PvP
Technically as long as you can rng a win vs anything, you can r1 at the end
Ofc if your team isn't at least somewhat decent, resetting that much will be very tedious
final lion
hi everyone. Quick question. Is an AP gun better than an HE gun in PvP (if we not consider any modifiers, like the buffs from Roon, Belfast or Atago)?
keen obsidian
matched up with someone who put tears on Azuma instead of Juneau...why?
elder crane
@final lion
You mean for CA?
HE usually considered better but CA gun in PvP is overall a bit 🚮
Limited firing angle means half the time it can't even shoot
sour oasis
It shoots 
It just don't hit 
frail orbit
trail temple
She shoots, but she does not score
austere widget
AotN??
sour oasis
Admiral of the Navy. The highest pvp rank, comes with a 2.5k merit bonus
Requires 2200+ pvp ladder points and then be in the top 10 at some point.
forest lake
I personally use AP for CA that aren't Sanrui cuz it hits way more frequently than HE cuz velocity
Then again only CA I ever used is Ibuki
delicate egret
storm jewel
Ibucky carried me for a whole year 
delicate egret
hot creek
about to lose 5 charges thanks to this big ass update
crude jetty
I had to clean stuff on my mobile to dl it ;-;
crude mortar
asdasdfgghjkl;k
hot creek
I lost 4 charges
gritty cove
I just lose attempts by looking at the time and realizing that it's couple minutes past
like right now...
hot creek
man, I wouldve made it if I didn't press the snooze button.
keen obsidian
I must be doing so bad that my first fight gives 12points
sour oasis
asdasdfgghjkl;k
But I bet you only missed one ticket
sour oasis
Nothing to worry about them. You're in the same boat I am, but in a better time zone.
coral wren
How do you level up quickly? They level up at a snail's pace after level 70
elder crane
Just gotta use them
Higher chapter = more XP per fight btw
Usual spots for XP farm is 6-1 (first map w purple equipment parts) 7-2 (shitty coin farm but others are even worse) 8-4 (last map w only 4 mob fights before boss fight) or any ch11/12 map (large jump in base XP over ch 10, but both chapters are pepega in their own way)
final lion
is it worth it to put a light cruiser or DD gun on a CA, because of the higher firing angle?
final lion
no DD guns either?
mint hornet
They can as a secondary gun but not primary, you can use any that you can spare since they usually have lower gun efficiencies (sub 80percent)
It's less of a priority to equip them.
Though CA's aren't that great in pvp @final lion
jovial sedge
Dem drills
forest lake
kumano and suzuya can use cl gun
trail temple
kumano and suzuya can use cl gun
^
Only recently found that out too and I was like... cool
sour oasis
But do they use them well (mine are to underpowered to test out)
trail temple
I feel like Kumano will handle certain things well... huehue
tbh, not enough to be a huge mention perhaps
storm jewel
eating 9 now
rushing for da dream
1/10 attacks left, eat all those 9 and 8 FeelsGoodMan
royal oyster
do the last one for that extra 10 merit value
storm jewel
100 merit per fight
storm jewel
at 5/10 before reset is when i eat 9 and 8
atomic mango
just seemed like your score might have been good enough to reach top 10 at the end of the season even, depending on the server
late heath
have anybody here tested Mainz yet for PvP?
storm jewel
i think when people read mainz skill they eliminate her from the option pool
sacred heath
first time not screwing things up
prime panther
@elder crane you still around?
frail orbit
Should be koz of the benchmark lel
Well, if not for my request then he wont do it either xD
prime panther
Essex, 13-4 3* CV
VGs- yykz,lonkai, no AA guns, no airstrike
Kill prods and AA barge
Record damage screen on death
how reasonable is this as a fighter AA benchmark?
frail orbit
Wont say it being reasonable either for reasons I already PMed to u, how about the others?
@vague token @empty grove @karmic forum @elder crane
@grave gale @coral wren @cerulean estuary
Should have waited tho
Forgot to pong @royal oyster n @ebon kraken too keks
final lion
hey guys, I need some opinions on a PvP fleet idea
so, the main idea is this: I have two bigass damage dealers, like warspite or FdG, and Hiei in the middle, who can tank some damage from other backliners
I also have Z25 in the front, who reduce the damage taken of the flagship, who is Hiei, who takes damage from the others too
I throw in Yukikaze and Jesus for maximum backline survivability
everything lives, while warsprite and FdG kills the enemy
what do you think about it?
(maybe swtich jesus or yukikaze to sady for AA)
forest lake
Hiei
-Does close to no damage
-Skill lasts for 8s, making it useless since most damage are from 10s~ on unless black dildo comps
-CV level tankiness
Z25
-Yukikaze exists, who has more eHP and gives damage reduction to every backline and can heal as well
And damage reduc stacks multiplicatively
Else suruga memes would actually be revelant
Also in case of Hiei Amagi exists as well
and warkai/fdg/amagi comps are already a thing
crude mortar
just use nagato amagi hiryu like filthy plebs
subtle thunder
Your info is outdated. We are filthy Shinano plebs now. :^)
trail temple
+70 rank point difference, feelsakashiman
keen obsidian
3 fights left and im like over 100pts behind 1st place....feelsbadman
crude mortar
harsh moon
I screwed up something I guess 
also should I attack a rank 697 guy
royal oyster
what server are you on
harsh moon
washington
royal oyster
looks like you dropped a bunch of attempts somewhere
sour oasis
Yay, made AotN (Avrora) despite skipping seven tickets and getting -1 on the last two I used. It required some meticulous watching of the top-100 (checking in at least six times daily) and playing at an inconvenient time (to rush at refresh). I could have missed one more ticket (8) to remain in this same level of inconvenience.
I tracked a total of 108 bonus points (split fairly evenly over each week of the season), but including the -72 penalties, it was only a net of 36 points over a bonus-less rush.
Your info is outdated. We are filthy Shinano plebs now. :^)
Shinano is still pretty squishy to me. If left alive, and all front ships dead, she does throw out a LOT of hurt.
My backline was 50% HP, Shinano was the corner defender. I just double-KO'd their flag by ramming with my last vanguard. Then as battle sped up, Shinano unleashed a triple Amagi-like barrage killing my entire main fleet.
royal oyster
what was the minimum possible threshold for r10 this reset
sour oasis
Currently on Avrora you need 2328 to break top 10.
royal oyster
well at the very beginning
sour oasis
When I did it 15 minutes ago it was 10 less.
royal oyster
after 30m it's going to be higher
I think if you do it exactly on reset it should be a lot lower on any server
sour oasis
Just before refresh, top spot was 2311.
And I made sure my last exercise ended just as refresh happened. (I needed to rush 3-4 tickets, anticipating someone might overtake me)
For new PvP players, it is highly recommended you don't miss tickets. IMHO, you can miss up to 4 before you have to bean-count your bonus points, and if you miss 6 you might have to loose sleep (to play as a refresh happens).
8 is right out. And while I can attest it's possible to come back from 10 lost tickets, it requires a huge cushion or stupid time/luck to focus on player fluctuations just no.
sour oasis
new PvP players
Inb4 Famine is a newbie tryhard
coral wren
What's the best fighter for PvP?
sour oasis
F4U (core shop), though I think Sea Hornet (event) got fixed.
coral wren
So, is Pirate Squad still better than Sea Hornet?
elder crane
Depends on if the +10% AA stat buff is useful enough
late heath
sea hornet have higher speed, crash dmg, and surface dps, F4U have the AA buff
coral wren
It's only 5%. 👀
elder crane
5%, right
Still, ~3% less bomb/aviation torp/crash damage taken for 8 s
stable dawn
Finally got my first ever HPFCR.
I run namawarkai. Who should I put it on?
sour oasis
Warkai if you run into true flex fleet (who have badge, armor, and/or rudder on their wing ships). Otherwise, flagship so your barrage cuts straight to theirs.
coral wren
Is this a good PvP Sakura main?
Yeah, I know it's not a meta fleet and CVs are not used in PvP that often.
I want to use double CV until I level up Kii or Amagi.
storm jewel
@coral wren maybe swapping aviation fuel with homing beacon, taihou into hiryuu, triple 155 into seattle gun
coral wren
Wouldn't that affect the timing with the Swordfish? 👀
storm jewel
swordfish on hiryuu will always launch first before shinano
assume they all have beacon+ no oath (oathed would be same)
coral wren
So, when should I use the aviation fuel? Perhaps I could switch that rudder on Shinano for another homing beacon. 🤔
storm jewel
if my thinking is correct u only need aviation fuel when considering crash damage (fix me if im wrong)
and rudder is always a must
for hiryuu even without beacon, she still launches swordfish before shinano
elder crane
Hiryuu has one of the highest reload stat on any CV, so yeah
silent ocean
hmm if i want to help out others, would a naked defense fleet of 100s or 120s suffice?
sour oasis
That would give opponents xp and an easy pass.
Jus be careful as naked FdG is still dangerous.
Thank you for not flexing after getting your rewards
royal oyster
if you're determined to help feed xp, I guess for 120s you'd have 3 bulins and 3 cvls with no barrages. also keep your rank somewhat low by not attacking leftmost all the time
elder crane
@silent ocean
High level unequipped ships, and watch out for barragers like Warkai or FdG or Hood or Amagi since those can still smack things with no equipment
silent ocean
yeah will prob have to use lvl 100s for now since my 120s are amagi,rossiya,richie,tosa
guess this should work for now, only intrepid and ga have maxed skills everyone is lvl 1 skill wise
royal oyster
doesn't intrepid have a plane barrage
silent ocean
ah yeah she does
swapped in Tennessee
she may reduce damage but lvl 1 skill so shouldnt be a big deal
elder crane
KGV does have barrage, but it's not too strong at least
It's timed too, which is :P
Yeah, maybe best to avoid
silent ocean
40% chance though pvp chance based procs are pretty pepega
elder crane
Oh, slv1?
silent ocean
yep
elder crane
Then fine
Her barrage does no dmg at slv1 lol
silent ocean
there we go all ships with lvl 1 skills
keen obsidian
did my first 4 fights but I got nowhere near the sandbagging guide
crude mortar
did you sandbagging since begining of the season
solemn comet
what's the aux for fdg?
trail temple
Should make a ungeared 120 fleet too, but include Juneau to meme
proper sorrel
standard rudder hpfcr
silent ocean
having jun on any defense fleet comp is try hard pepega and kinda pointless to have her in there otherwise
and would defeat the entire purpose to help out
royal oyster
I remember when I was a newbie, full ungeared 120s could actually time you out
trail temple
and would defeat the entire purpose to help out
That was the point
Some people like to watch the world burn
vapid vortex
70 points from rank with 10 exercises left. HMMMM. It's amazing what a string of day 1 megasandbags can get you to
crude mortar
royal oyster
uh I wouldn't celebrate just yet
vapid vortex
Eh. Consistently had at least 25 in reserve above rank 1 at each reset. If it's ever happening it'll be this one
crude mortar
whats your current score now
mint hornet
Which server?
vapid vortex
2487 with 10 ex left on Lex
trail temple
Top 10 worthy, that's for sure
sour oasis
Relaxington 
amber prawn
Isn’t georgia good at pvp?
She has a problem with hitting moving targets right? The target in pvp is stationary
toxic knot
Ah fack. I just lost a match in PvP 
I was 2496 with 10 matches to go on Avrora so I think I was ahead of everyone at the time. RIP gg. 
I think the next scores I was tracking were Famine@2494, ben139@2493, Rumia@2492
got dumpstered by Shinano 
midnight heron
shinano has nanoda luck
crude mortar
or you have haloist luc,
toxic knot
Since I'm newer and don't have the meta frontline ships leveled up, I have a very weak vanguard lineup (have to run a CA, oof) and have to depend on resets for most of my wins
I mistakenly ran Namagispite into the torp + namagi shinano and the aimed torps of Shinano ran through my frontline and backline in a single launch I was caught offguard and didn't stop in time
once I have more options for my frontline, I'll be able to deal with Shinano more smoothly. The low speed of my frontline means Shinano has a good chance of landing aimed torps. I've fought a lot of Shinanos this season, but had been able to RNG my way through via resets
somber axle
Shinano memes
vapid vortex
Aight time to see how much I lose by
vapid vortex
Damn
novel drift
empty grove
fathom drift
I got a +8 but i wasn't able to get top 1 anyway, it was too late
royal oyster
I actually lost a few points on saturday due to some refresh disasters but that's lexington for you
leaden solar
hwo to sandbaging in first day? u know with those non active player
vapid vortex
check often
can pick up a huge amount of extra points in the first few days before the marginal points/sandbag drops
leaden solar
so u keep your rank in a hundred or just climb 15 minute before reset?
vapid vortex
check in often and climb any time you see the leftmost one significantly ahead of you
hope for multiple climbs per reset
naive dome
@glad mulch check exercise 1 or 2 min after weekly reset to get matched with early rushers, relog every 10 mins.
If you can be active between the 2nd and 3rd recover, take only 1 fight. If you cannot be active between the 2nd and 3rd recover, take 3 fights
Avoid matchups with people below lv80. They tend to lose fights. Avoid matchups with people above lv110 for the first fight, they tend to be sandbaggers
lofty yacht
Hi guys, do you know Georgia's (in pvp) barrage pattern? I know that all barrage in pvp are fixed for that, have faced her one time but doesn't understand well who is targeting
crude mortar
shes trash in pvp
unless you can kill all their vg before her first salvo
then shes useful
but then again if you can kill all enemy vg before 20
you win anyway
crude mortar
this guy seems confusing on his own thoughts
mortal idol
Should I replace my 118 Belfast for 105 Noshiro in my fleet?
lofty yacht
Should I replace my 118 Belfast for 105 Noshiro in my fleet?
@mortal idol in general level advantage in pvp is quite important so it's better a level 118
naive dome
if there's a nagato in your fleet your noshiro might be equal
dire stream
nagato isnt even close to 13 levels
austere widget
the hell is a sandbagger?
coral wren
Waits until people have a bunch more points to attack for a bigger bonus
atomic mango
Someone who deliberately keeps their rank low to maximize points gained by never going below 5/10 exercises until the end of the season
open peak
Hi, in the 5 matches I always fought the leftmost opponent and won. What exactly did I do wrong that I have 10 less scores or is it just bad luck?
keen obsidian
Do I ignore sandbagging and spend em all cuz JP maintenance in 2hrs?
upper sparrow
@open peak if u againts phoenix, he is sandbagger and u arent doing it or not doing it properly
open peak
how to sandbag?
elder crane
Keep reloading app to update ppl's rankings/scores then fight ppl after they finish doing their PvP matches (for more bonus)
Go down to 5/10 only right before a reset
open peak
hmmm so I've been doing it wrong all the time
keen obsidian
Can confirm the down to 10 methods very easy broken by sleep.
elder crane
If you just go to 5/10 whenever then that's fine too, it's enough to rush AotN
You won't get an amazing end of season score though
upper sparrow
Half-sandbag>full sandbag if u are prioritising healthy sleep
Like me
even though im not touching AL in 2 week rn
open peak
btw. does the def-fleet matter for the ranking?
open peak
ok. since I can't really flex with no fdg d30 and so on, I'll just meme
storm jewel
try to wait for anyone in this 6k rank to move up be like
keen obsidian
Is fighting another sandbagger bad due to fear of both of us not gonna make a move first and get stuck?
elder crane
That's why you have list refreshes yeah
See 2/4 sandbagger or more, and time to bail
keen obsidian
My list refresh is when left dude has Juneau and 15k power....
keen obsidian
Either line
elder crane
15k vanguard w Jun is not nearly an optimal setup for sure, so they probably not sandbagger?
keen obsidian
Well put it more bluntly I can't win...
elder crane
Well, that's also a refresh 
keen obsidian
If for some reason second to left guy has massive 100+ rank lead, fight him or refresh?
keen obsidian
Welp def did my fights wrong already
elder crane
Dw week one doesn't matter much
Also you don't need much sandbag to do a successful AotN rush
I think your bottleneck for now is your fleet
keen obsidian
You nailed it.... It's nowhere near meta
elder crane
You should work towards a fleet good enough to eventually win vs anything
Even if it takes a number of fight resets to do it
keen obsidian
JB Rich back and pray their preload kills someone?
elder crane
That's certainly an option yea
I actually make a Richi-JB setup that worked fairly consistently on offense even vs the best fleets
Not as good as top meta, but not bad at all
Ofc
Well
Other ships were Hiryuu,Noshiro/Sanrui, Aurora, Azuma so
keen obsidian
Have none of those.... Just got 90Hiryu Kai few days ago
elder crane
Well, the point was that Richi+JB is good and can RNG carry a weaker rest of fleet
sour oasis
JB Richelieu Perseus have decent accuracy for their pre-loads?
Throw in some torpedo spam, and just reset in 30s. RNG as your friend sounds... Sus.
midnight heron
"pvp isnt broken" https://youtu.be/9xmjB_vfbag
next olive
ok nvm jean keeps shooting at vanguard
midnight heron
its rng
late heath
Richelieu in the flag ship spot will always fire before JB
She also have faster reload
But 13X is a pretty big gap 
So I think it’s just rng
sacred heath
so how does one sandbag on the first day? i can't always tell when people have done their exercises 😕
stuff is shifting too quickly
late heath
Try to remember their relative position and spot on the list
And if they move, you fight them
royal oyster
get lucky 4head
rich escarp
Hey guys! I just joined here and was curious if the pinned tier list is still current!
I was thinking of taking pvp more seriously now
royal oyster
only real changes have been the new torp comp and shinano. shinano hasn't been that well tested yet
rich escarp
Oh! I was thinking of using Shinano, Nagato, and Amagi as the backline...yukikaze on the front (and she's 120 already)
Just need to think of a couple more vanguards now...
cuz I don't have azuma yet
sacred heath
noshiro and juneau
royal oyster
mostly juneau
upper sparrow
so how does one sandbag on the first day? i can't always tell when people have done their exercises 😕
On the first season reset? Just open exercise page as fast as u can after season reser for get rusher list@sacred heath
sacred heath
yeah no
elder crane
Dissappointing that he hasn't seem to have tested shinanoyuu setups yet
Lol at ykkz being dropped for Noshiro, and no VH on azuma now
Also ??? At Nep with Howarkai setup, she dies like a dog as you'd expect lol
If you really want +FP run fricken Kashino lol
Don't be pepega and just run Azuma already smh
frail orbit
But with VH at least its kinda understandable if considering the context is against Shinano with its torps being so nasty at 4 * 140% + 2 * 125% + any shit she had from her barrage
Wait lemme see the translated shit from my google translate keks
@elder crane but really, wtf Namano with not even a fooken VH wifey and what, using 406skc?
They went all in for VG shelling meme koz Shina 818 eh?
But aint it wont hit the VGs reliably tho especially with shina 120/200 still kinda struggled to even hit fuckin 20s of threshold in AS
Considering it is 草 who makes it
Big 草 then
sharp obsidian
Sigh, really wish they increase the max stored attacks to 15