pvp

[shy hazel]

theres no torpmeme without noshiro

unless u mean the old one

[subtle thunder]

Why would you guys say Kii doesn't really make sense for pvp? At first glance her 15% Avi increase seems alright in combination with Shinano, along with her own 10% FP buff and 10% vanguard torp buff.

[crude mortar]

allow me to introduce you tuberculosis brown skunk

[midnight heron]

she might work for defense torpmemes

[naive dome]

it's 15% AA increase not 15% Avi though ?

[subtle thunder]

Yeah, the wiki says it's AA, weirdly enough. The game client however says it's Avi

[naive dome]

[crude mortar]

if its avi then it might work

or maybe not

[lofty yacht]

what is the composition of a torp meme team for example ?

[jovial sedge]

[crude mortar]

jintsuu sendai ayanami

[jovial sedge]

[lofty yacht]

ok thanks

[forest lake]

EN has a lot of skills wrong

Shinano also got affected

Kii is AA buff, not AVI

[subtle thunder]

Ah, sad. That makes her much less useful in pvp indeed.

[forest lake]

Well she herself is already looking mediocre at best in terms of pvp performance

What with timed barrage and almost nothing else

Also fact that if you need AVI buff you can already get it from nagato and shinano

[subtle thunder]

Yeah, my only hope for her was that the AVI buff would maybe stack with Nagato's to increase Shinano's AVI even more

And with the 10% boost Kii's FP would have been alright as well

But probably not enough to offset the mediocre barrage

I'm basically just looking for new IJN builds that don't include Amagi, since I don't have her

But for now it seems like experimenting with Shinano - Nagato - Hiryuu seems a bit more promising.

Question is if that will perform any better than the fox squad at all.

[crude mortar]

ijn had giga shit base AA

not just normal shit

giga shit

0 +100% also = 0

like most of ijn you can use aa radar and still squishy af againts planes

[upper sparrow]

[past egret]

There is a solution

🇺🇸 🦅

Never have AA problems again

[elder crane]

yes, you just die to everything else

[past egret]

Perfectly balanced as all things should be

[unreal storm]

the new dd has a good smokescreen tho

[crude mortar]

that timing

to block what

3s after battle for 5s

[storm jewel]

pve smoke

[crude mortar]

what thing hit you at 3-5 minute mark

idk

cant even dodge torp meme

at 15s

30% chance to block nagato?

[storm jewel]

Belfast smoke actually reduce aviation damage, this smoke just purely for evasion rate, pve stuffs

[crude mortar]

belfast can block foxs

this dd can block what

fox launch at 10 belfast smoke at 10

this dd smoke at 3

idk what to block

[storm jewel]

ye i didnt say she blocks anything in pvp

[elder crane]

Amagi's first shot doesn't even land til 8 s in, after smoke ends

Evarate also affects bombs and aerial torps

So Belfast's double-dips
That's why it's so effective vs foxes and only moderately effective vs Nagato

[jovial sedge]

[dull herald]

It can help against preload richelieu and jb

[elder crane]

JB sure
Richi lands shells before 3 s though pretty sure
same reason why it doesn't worth that well vs preloaded torps

[dull herald]

No it land exactly in 3 second or after that

And if it land good,sometime juneau become useless,one of the three vanguard dead,or even all annihilated (something with 2 dd 1 cl)

Not always land,but sure that smoke will help

But it's quite rare to see someone with riche and jb in pvp

[midnight heron]

ah nice to see another cheaty rng match today

torpmeme dat can survive formi slow + amagi barrage

👍 rng

[frail orbit]

Ssg haloist bad luck

[past egret]

[jovial sedge]

[past egret]

Quiet channel today

Everyone stalking their lists hmmm

[clear fox]

Hello, should I replace Yukikaze for Laffey lv120 oathed?

[storm jewel]

nope just keep yuki to lv her up at the same time

[elder crane]

Also ykkz should still be tankier

Unless she's like slv7, then maaaybe

[cinder crater]

How good is full rainbow fleet

[forest lake]

I wanna say meme but prolly relevant enough with op backline

[storm jewel]

all rainbow backline OP af (2/3 of them confirmed for sure)

[crude mortar]

quiet channel everyday

they immigrate to other discord

[sterile bluff]

[gritty cove]

Accurate representation of pvp

[quick gust]

Best PVP comp atm ?

[quick gust]

[cinder crater]

Dev25 azuma meta yet

[blazing scroll]

She's good to use at dev25

[forest lake]

That's a lotta damage

[proper sorrel]

frick i need to do my attacks

[mint hornet]

do i ping the mod on my list to rush for my +1

[coral wren]

How do I counter this fleet?

[forest lake]

shinano

what your fleet even to have trouble with that

[coral wren]

This is my fleet.

I have no trouble dealing with the vanguard

The backline is the problem, it takes out my main fleet in 2 airstrikes

My warspite is retrofitted btw.

[forest lake]

[coral wren]

wdym?

wait nvm i won it

took 11 tries

[forest lake]

11

[coral wren]

just tell me what i need to do..

[forest lake]

Make a better fleet?

[coral wren]

that's really helpful, thank you!

[forest lake]

I mean what else am I supposed to say

[coral wren]

i dunno, somethin more specific?? nvm..

ill try and look up some guides..

[forest lake]

Just follow the gear part of the guide in pins if you haven't already

I used to equip Enty with vh + rudder one time

[midnight heron]

hav sandy but still get rekt by airstrikes

[dull herald]

@coral wren smash that warspite with your warspite,use rudder and fire control radar on warkai the purple one is okay if dont have the hpfcr

Gold cata and aviation gasoline for enty

I bet the problem is on your gears

Or you use your enty to tanking warkai

[coral wren]

hm... what exactly does the fire control radar do?

but I'll try your suggestion, thank you!

oh wait one more thing, what's aviation gasoline? do you mean aviation tank?

[dull herald]

Fire control radar increase her accuracy and fp a bit more

Not aviation tank,i meam this

[blazing scroll]

Gold cata and aviation gasoline for enty
Gold cata not really useful for pvp imo

Better off using beacon

@coral wren Just put a Juneau in there

My current fleet deals fine with meta fleets

[coral wren]

does it do alright against all the overpowered stuff like nagato + amagi though? every time I go up against those I just quit because there's no way I win it. Also, in regards to beacon, I'll try that option, but i don't have em yet! so i'll try and some asap.

[blazing scroll]

Namaryuu is a piece of cake

NamaFdG isn't a problem either

NamaWs is easy too

My enty is using rudder + av gas and can tank ws just fine unless RNG is an absolute halo

[coral wren]

Alright, Thanks for the input. I'll be sure to try and use your setups when making a PvP fleet in the future.

I guess my fleets where a bit too PvE centered in the end.

[blazing scroll]

SanRui can be changed with anything that is tanky

[dull herald]

@coral wren no matter how good your enty,if can't kill juneau enemy in the first strike of her then just forget it

Two or three av in pvp without a solid frontliner (av are just a jelly without their vanguard) or too weak to not able kill enemy vanguard in the first strike,they usually rely on rng thats why full bb or something close like that is better to be able beat meta 3 times in a row,they're not rely on rng but pure brute force

If you're fleet still can't work then just try build another strong meta fleet

[sterile bluff]

dude literally just...

namaryuu 4head

[elder crane]

@coral wren
If their warkai isn't running 457, you can just use speed planes + defensive aux setup on Enty to tank her

set your own warkai as flagship, and you can shoot at his without his warkai shooting back at yours

[sterile bobcat]

hold up, is it possible to make enty launch and proc before warkai's despacito?

nvm
I suppose you're talking about warkai's shelling, which is much easier to avoid

[dull herald]

hold up, is it possible to make enty launch and proc before warkai's despacito?

Most case no even you use rudder on her and also even if it miss,the first main gun salvo will kill enterprise and that's why tanking warkai with cv kinda wrong beside its hiryuu

But it also depend on the enemy warkai gear,with champagne gun its easy to snipe enty

[upper cove]

akaga barely shoots before despacito
the first one
which is really the only one you need to dodge honestly

the rest hurt but very much not the same as the first one

[blazing scroll]

Most case no even you use rudder on her and also even if it miss,the first main gun salvo will kill enterprise and that's why tanking warkai with cv kinda wrong beside its hiryuu
I never had a warkai kill my enty with the first salvo

Worst case enty has 1/3 hp left

[dull herald]

What aux did you use on enty?

[blazing scroll]

I'm using rudder + av gas

[dull herald]

Record your enterprise five times in a row tanking warkai send it here,and lets see in how many fight she will survive

Three times should be enough

If you can survive times in a row,then okay i admit it your enterprise doesnt rely on rng

I just tried my oath enterprise with rudder tanking warkai,and guess what happen in that three attempts? She doesnt even have a chance to send an airstrike

Zero chance and very rely on rng

[coral wren]

Enty needs her skill

[dull herald]

She can send her airstrike but only one time and i dont remember in how many attempt im doing it

[blazing scroll]

Most of the times she does fine

[dull herald]

14.1k main fleet power?

[blazing scroll]

It's about the ws anyway

The fact that his vg is bad makes it worse for my juneau to die anyway

[buoyant parrot]

👀

[dull herald]

https://youtu.be/PL-UGYIY2L4

Sorry for taking time,can't upload it here because im not a discord paid user

[crude mortar]

your enty is slow and squishy af

[dull herald]

I swear im using rudder and av gasoline just like fearless did

[crude mortar]

whats your plane

[dull herald]

Pirate,dauntless,barracuda

[crude mortar]

yeah tahts why it slow af

who teach you to use dauntless on enty

dont answer me with role play historical

[dull herald]

What should i use on her? Helldiver?

Dauntless have a slight better perormance than helldiver

[crude mortar]

x2 100 bomb vs x2 500 bomb

[dull herald]

And faster reload,but only a little

Ha? Helldiver and dauntless bring a same bomb

[crude mortar]

yeah

same bomb

[dull herald]

Alright im wrong

But is it gonna save her from warkai?

[crude mortar]

you wanna use

enty

but you dont use jun tank

what are you

[dull herald]

The question is simple mu friend,if i use helldiver is it gonna save her from warkai?

[crude mortar]

idk

I use enty tank warkai all time

70-80%++ winrate vs meta

idk what im doing

you are correct im wrong

have a nice day

[dull herald]

Play victim?

[crude mortar]

the way you build your fleet and how you use your ship is stupid

go figured out by yourself why

[crude mortar]

wish zack was still here to lecture this guy

[blazing scroll]

[proper sorrel]

[midnight heron]

||maybe he has haloist rng||

[sterile bobcat]

While we're on the topic, what exactly is the BiS for Enty?
Im not sure if the excel chart in pins is updated, and also idk between rudder/avgas/beacon which 2 auxes should I be running

[proper sorrel]

i prefer
sea hornet/helldiver/ryuusei/beacon/avigas

[crude mortar]

i dislike sea hornet

it slow

0.5s late and your enty expldoed to warspite

unless rainbow spite

[midnight heron]

just use the better fighter with enhanced bombs (idk the name rip)

[crude mortar]

you exploded anyway

[proper sorrel]

kawanashi n1k2 shiden-kai?

[blazing scroll]

Yeah

[crude mortar]

farm

farmfarmfarm

[sterile bobcat]

Shiden is good in PvP?

[proper sorrel]

it can

[blazing scroll]

Don't see a real reason why it couldn't be good

[sterile bobcat]

Well I suppose so
I thought both VF-17 and sea hornet have better surface dmg but then again I don't remember exactly how good shiden is

[crude mortar]

enty strat is first airstrike wipe their whole vg and 2nd airstrike wipe their main

and she doesn't fit in any fleet

[proper sorrel]

vf17 and sea horny has better surface dmg yes

[crude mortar]

so I slap in essex for more vg dmg

and then I need one tank I slap in warspite

bam

[blazing scroll]

I see you're a man of culture as well

[sterile bobcat]

I'm running Enty/Richy/Warkai myself
No idea exactly how good that is but those 3 are my strongest backliners pretty much so

[blazing scroll]

I've been running Warkai, Enty, Essex for a really long time now

[crude mortar]

just use hiryu instead of enty if you dont wanna full davai at 20s

[blazing scroll]

Too lazy to change

[proper sorrel]

probably stronger than mines

im running suruga entyspite

[sterile bobcat]

Back to Enty
So far I've been sticking to sea hornet/heccdabber/barracuda, I'm guessing the fighter slot is somewhat personal preference then?
Cuz VF-17, hornet and apparently shiden all seem like good choices

[crude mortar]

it doesn't had noticable difference except if you use slow fighter

and you using enty tanking warkai

your enty might explode

else its the asme

*same

if you use slow fighter

even you dodge 20s volley

your enty cant dodge 40s volley

so I dont use slow fighter

I just use reppu

[blazing scroll]

Tbf the enemy ws shouldn't be alive at 40s

[proper sorrel]

smh not runnign skyrocket

[sterile bobcat]

Right, forgot reppuu exists

[crude mortar]

just got my 2nd reppu after a year of researching

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749892752376070187/752216157943103568/unnamed_1.gif

[blazing scroll]

I farmed 4 during the events

[sterile bobcat]

Also I'm still levelling my Monarch/Warkai/KGV trio, I'm not sure if they would perform any better than the aforementioned Richy/Warkai/Enty backline

So far in my low level test runs they seem to do well tho

[sacred oracle]

How good or bad would a Richy + Champagne preload BB comp be? I don’t have Amagi for most of the conventional comps I see

[dull herald]

How good or bad would a Richy + Champagne preload BB comp be? I don’t have Amagi for most of the conventional comps I see

Good until certain meta,squishy when find some meta with 457 like nama fdg and better change champagne with warkai

wish zack was still here to lecture this guy

I hope zack won't blame the plane bomb because can't deploy enty airstrike faster than warkai with hpfcr which totally nonsense

And put juneau as if juneau can die first before enterprise being sniped

[upper sparrow]

U arent using juneau there

No wonder

Juneau tank do the work most of the time

Even my enty can survive nagato big seven 2 proc without her lucky E proc

Nah the big weakness of enty comp is when u encounter 3 BB HMS meta tho

She can got destroyed before her skill.Proc

Their snipe is too fast and reliable for killing enty

KGV-warkai-QE or monarch-qe-warkai for example

But its still a bit matter of rng tho

If u are lucky and can evade first warkai snipe & lucky E proc, u win

But if lucky E not proc, thats a guaranteed to lose

Thats one of big reason enty not included on t0 comp rn

Just use ijn meta 4head

[coral wren]

Because if she didnt have that 8s invuln

She would be absolutely terrible

[crude mortar]

enty dying to warkai fire radar

ignorance is real

[upper sparrow]

@crude mortar inb4 what he mean is she use twin457, and the fire radar mean the hpfcr

[crude mortar]

then dont use enty tank

its still tankable if not using those garbage french fleet

you say jun wont die before enty

because

1.you never use juneu

2.you dont know how to make it work

either way it make you looks not so smart

[upper sparrow]

MNFF juneau

[elder crane]

@sacred oracle @dull herald
Not very good

1. Champagne doesn't even preload much since she has 0 MGM+1
2. Champagne is squishy, and her absorbing a bit of dmg from Richi is actively bad in PvP
3. Part of why Champ is even good in PvE is that since she has 0 MGM+1, every shot out of her has time dilation there - not so in PvP. Her base DpS is merely good, even with Richi buff - and you want amazing in PvP, not "good"

So
you have a squishy ship that doesn't do all that much damage whose only real benefit is a slight bit of extra damage at the start.
Yeah.... no.

Take JB instead if you want double preload memes. Quad 380's split-salvo isn't a negative in PvP (even though her dispersion is, and she loses the manual boost), and her fairly good tankiness esp with 6% dred from Richi is actually useful here

[sacred oracle]

Ah okay

Ty

[elder crane]

Well, backtrack on a statement

you want amazing in PvP, not "good"
"good" is good enough for waifu/themed fleets. She should be good enough in a full-french fleet that the fleet can actually win

if you're just looking to optimize though, every ship in your fleet better do something super broken or enable another ship to do something super broken

[crude mortar]

take in dunk for triple preload meme

[next oxide]

O.o

Are the french preload BB viable in pvp? All AP ofc.

[coral wren]

For memes

Its not ijn meta

But as a kitted out french set you can tackle things around and above your own power reliably

[upper sparrow]

U arent using ap gun on french bb memes

[coral wren]

Oh right

Bart gun is he?

I forget

[sterile bobcat]

its HE

[coral wren]

Its better high explosive anyways

Since pirates soul does lol damage to vanguards

[upper sparrow]

Richi skill.Also amplify HE damage

[coral wren]

Without beaver badge

[upper sparrow]

French preload with aurora comp for fast-cleaning enemies

Bluerendar using it for a while iirc

Isnt it

[sacred oracle]

I need to get a new Aurora, my small new player brain needed dock space and thought she was useless

[elder crane]

Ran with Sanrui instead of Noshiro for a while too, wasn't really any worse or better as far as I could tell
Richi+JB+Aurora+Azuma usually explodes their vanguard earlyish, and then vs non-Hiryuu setups, Hiryuu final counter just rekts them
Vs Hiryuu setups, you need to out-trade them, which usually means convincingly winning vanguard fight
Sometimes it just derps and loses the vanguard fight, or vs Hiryuu, barely wins
If that happens, RIP

[sterile bobcat]

How bad are Richy/JB without Aurora?

[elder crane]

I'll 120/200 JdA soon and I'll be trying her out with Richi+Formi+Aurora+Azuma
I want JdA in since Aurora doesn't reliably even make it to 20 s... And without her, Richi doesn't always hit

Without aurora, ykkz is such a biiiiitch

She's already annoying with her
And if aurora goes down early and preload fails to chunk ykkz, ugh

If she lives, you'll have major issues out-trading Hiryuu teams or getting in the uncontested final counters needed to win vs some others

Not undoable, but still

[sterile bobcat]

Also how necessary (or rather, replaceable) is Hiryuu in that comp? could Enty/formi/centy be used there?

[elder crane]

Warkai+strong bbarragers or their Hiryuu are going to be problematic, but also not undoable
And Enty might be annoying too

Pls no more OWARIDA mirrors

[sterile bobcat]

understandable
Ive messed around with richy+JB previously but a) without aurora it just seems a bit less effective then it should be, b) I have a hard time deciding who to put in the 3rd spot and keep going back and forth between warkai/enty/hiryuu

[crude mortar]

there is no owarida mirror if you dont use owarida

[sterile bobcat]

🧠

[elder crane]

Azuma is also very important here

She really chunks vanguards hard when she hits

[sterile bobcat]

also, is ryuusei actually good on hiryuu?

its there in the pinned excel chart but idk if its updated

[crude mortar]

its preference

depend on your comp

[elder crane]

If you get uncontested strikes into enemy main
Well
lemme pull up a SS

For this comp 100%

Diff comp but principle holds

"fine you useless bitches, I'll do it myself"

[elder crane]

I'm back to Warkai Amagi Hiryuu
And an uncontested Hiryuu final counter carry
Nearly takes MVP over 457 warkai

[sterile bobcat]

one more thing, is helldiver still the best thing for hiryuu's DB slot
cuz she has pretty pepega DB efficiency, I wonder if its worth running something faster

[elder crane]

She did take MVP every now and again back when warkai wasn't running 457 yet

[crude mortar]

hiryu dont care about plane reload speed

at all

1s differnet doesn't make any different

[elder crane]

Not true, it matters for the Hiryuu vs Hiryuu endgame

But, don't bother without Nagato

Nagato Hiryuu will still outspeed you...

[sterile bobcat]

fair enough
I'll probably stick to heccdabber then

[elder crane]

I run Hornet-SB2C-Ryuu for non-nagato setups, no beacon
VF-17+APCuda+Ryuu w beacon with Nagato

[sterile bobcat]

without beacon, rudder/beaver+avgas would be the best aux yes?

[upper sparrow]

Rudder it is

Beaver goes to flag

[elder crane]

I don't actually run avgas either
Gamer mark/beaver/VH armor is my preference
Avgas isn't actually too helpful for hiryuu imo since most of the dmg she should be doing is when their vanguard is ded and therefore their AA doesn't exist anyways
And ofc you're running Ryuus

I prefer the extra survivability to make it to that point

[upper sparrow]

Gamer mark? Kizuna event aux?

[elder crane]

One of those yeah
Budget SG radar

[sterile bobcat]

I see
what about Enty? I still cant figure out if she needs beacon or not

[upper sparrow]

No

Rudder+avgas is better

[elder crane]

Doesn't she need beacon to ensure she can lucky E every enemy airstrike/triple guns?

No idea

[upper sparrow]

Eh its a matter of preference i think

[elder crane]

Depends on what you need I suppose

[upper sparrow]

Bcs lucky e double crash damage too isnt it

So avgas should useful for her

[elder crane]

Yep
And there's no backloading on dmg like Hiryuu does
Or getting in an extra final airstrike during immunity

[sterile bobcat]

that's kinda what I was thinking, beacon so I can proc before enemy backline shoots
but rudder+avgas also seems good

[upper sparrow]

Also u can just depend on rudder + her big luck stat

For evading bb enemy shell

Ofc Juneau will sacrifice herself if enty rng isnt good enough

Tbh i never test beacon for enty, feel too depend on rng just for a matter of evading backline attack with sacrificing enty crash damage herself

[elder crane]

If the rest of the team can do dmg and you just need to tank a warkai or something it's not bad

Pretty annoying on defense iirc, from report by ppl with nonmeta teams mostly

[bleak osprey]

Over slept and missed 1 reset

Am out for this season

[leaden jay]

Will Shinano become T0 PvP meta?

[unreal storm]

depends on whether she'll be better than the other carrier sisters, which i doubt anyone has been able to run enough tests with yet

[sweet venture]

She has a good chance but no one knows her full potential yet

[bleak osprey]

im potentially thinking of wskai+nagato+shinano, fdg+nagato+shinano, or amagi+nagato+shinano

[upper cove]

amagi shinano hiryuu

[bleak osprey]

well maybe that for a stall fleet

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714408000399343678/757279831556751427/1600344810339.png

going off by CN dmg charts

Shinano does 21% more dmg with nagato for a wooping 40k per airstrike

[unreal storm]

does anyone else come close?

[bleak osprey]

taihou at 26k with both nagato and shinano for some reason

well luckyE does 50k dmg

but enty has no other skills other than that so eh

[unreal storm]

shinano buffs avi i think? but 40k guaranteed is a bunch

[bleak osprey]

nah not guaranteed, max dmg if everything hits

like how all calculations are done

[unreal storm]

that makes sense oof

[bleak osprey]

the 40k needs all trigger for shinano to be hit btw, nagato+3ijn+3 debuff stack

[sweet venture]

combine with a classic ijn frontline too

[bleak osprey]

so enemy has like reduced AA and increased dmg taken by 9%

but the question now is, does her yellow skill even proc in pvp

Increase own AVI stat by 15% for her first 2 battles of each sortie.

cuz if it doesnt, thats a very big ooof

[fast dune]

any idea on how to counter this fleet? those vanguards so fast they keep evading my salvos and tanky af on top of that

even hiryuu gone poof in a sec

[midnight heron]

get better rng ||which i apparently dont have||

[fast dune]

that guy even has pearl tears on noshiro

[mint hornet]

What do you have/running xeroz?

[sweet venture]

pray

[fast dune]

I switched a few and reset a lot but something like hiryuu/richi/monarch sanrui/algerie/monty

[sweet venture]

i mean with an azuma dev 20-29 you can hope its on the lower end and pray you burst her

[midnight heron]

well monty is kinda useless in dat setup so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sweet venture]

yeah true

[midnight heron]

hell i would argue birmingham serves a better purpose even if its still bad

[mint hornet]

Also are you itemizing defensive auxiliaries for monarch and Richie?

Evasion is important for backline in pvp

[sweet venture]

replace monty with something with better synergy in your fleet

[fast dune]

white shell/SG radar for both

[midnight heron]

without an amagi of ur own, rudder becomes a higher priority than white shell

[upper sparrow]

Using non-meta vg for attacking full-meta enemy def. Fleet

[mint hornet]

Swap the shell for the the washing machine (hydraulic equip) if you have spares

Do you have Jean Bart? Could try hitting their vanguard with pre loads

But yea their comp is just stronger so usually they should win

[sweet venture]

switch to full ijn cheese backline and hope

[fast dune]

I tried JB but those vanguards too fast and evaded all

[upper sparrow]

No offense, but i cant imagine how to win again namaspite fleet without ykkz or juneau kek

[midnight heron]

its definitely possible but u cant hav a halfassed fleet at least

[sweet venture]

ykkz nos with ibuki isnt bad

[fast dune]

yea I haven't specifically raise ships for PvP just trying to look around if anyone has any suggestion to counter that if they facing this fleet

[upper sparrow]

Or using jb+rich with aurora like blue used, but i doubt aurora isnt lvl at this moment

@fast dune just meet other enemy fleet, that kind of def fleet is too hard for u rm

*rn

Pvp just for Memes anyway

And merit

[midnight heron]

also we dk wat ships u got so dats another problem

[mint hornet]

For ships that are good in both pvp and pve you can look towards noshiro yukikaze, war spite Kai

[midnight heron]

u cant just ask us for suggestions and provide no info of ur own

[sweet venture]

im still so sad i took a break during swirling for noshiro

smh

[fast dune]

I have most of them sitting at lv100

[midnight heron]

so u got NOshiro ||dont kill me im joking its a prank||

[sweet venture]

back to league of legends smh

[upper sparrow]

Use noshiro then

Also check pin

For meta comp u can use

[fast dune]

yea read a little bit on that and know about amagi/nagato/warkai etc but wasnt expecting noshiro/ykkz/azuma to be THIS tanky and fast

[upper sparrow]

Thats why they are meta m8

[midnight heron]

dats y i get rekt everytime and come here to scream

[mint hornet]

Usually you equip vanguard with boilers as well to make them speedy

Azuma with gyroscope occasionally

[fast dune]

yet to meet too many azumas so wasnt expecting that

[upper sparrow]

Noshiro is broken enough she can more tanky than average of pr vg ship kek

Balance as usual yostar

Ofc azumama still the tankiest

[mint hornet]

Torp dr and evasion rate boost

[fast dune]

thanks I go and raise more pvp meta ships I guess

[crude mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749892752376070187/750458669606633522/676468181174321171.gif

[upper sparrow]

[jovial sedge]

[wanton needle]

hi

i need help making a pvp team

[sterile bobcat]

Check the tier list in pins for some team suggestions if that is what you're looking for

As for your current fleet, I guess it could work but seems kinda eh
I'd replace Essex with Enty/hiryuu and add Juneau in the front

[upper sparrow]

Look like a new player

Should to focus on pve first

[cursive mulch]

whats a good IJN vanguard ship to replace azuma/noshiro? i run namawarkai backline and want to keep 4 ijn for amagi's first shot.

[sudden vector]

Pics of noshiro build for pvp?

[midnight heron]

theres builds in pins 😮 and no one comes close to azuma/noshiro so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sudden vector]

I see

[elder crane]

@crude mortar
more like
smash the glass in and have the tank come gushing out

[gritty cove]

Gl replacing azuma/noshiro, it'd be jintsuu or isuzu then

[midnight heron]

manjuu chronicles fleet setups

[coral wren]

Nagato on top position is

[midnight heron]

also im legit convinced some guy has godlike luck

every single time i fight him his torpmeme never fking dies

like bruh

formi slow + amagi barrage and ur torpmeme is still alive

wat bs

naga proc? all 3 vg still standing

yet still is able to crit backline for half their hp with 1 torp

[coral wren]

Noshiro and jintsuu?

Yukikaze?

[midnight heron]

jint naga noshi

guy can go fk himself srsly

[coral wren]

There you go

[midnight heron]

if dis is somehow consistently happening i hav my reasons to believe its a problem with the games rng algorithms

[coral wren]

Or uh

Torp meme strong

[sweet venture]

torp meme 2 op

[coral wren]

Noshiro

[cinder crater]

what's the best full french backline

[coral wren]

That 3rd slot is kind of a hard sell

If its pure french id go champy but i dont think thats the best ship you would go for

[sweet venture]

richi jean champ/gas

[coral wren]

Yea, between champ and gasc

[past egret]

Champ I believe was worse for Pvp wasn’t she?

[lethal lark]

does champagne gun + HPFCR fire into rudder timing?

[obsidian kite]

I will torp meme and no one will judge me

[upper cove]

I mean champy gun has the same cd as 406mk6

[lethal lark]

just want to make sure

[elder crane]

It does for most

Also while champagne isn't great for PvP, gascan is,
Actually, probably still better? But still very questionable

[trail temple]

Gascan also gets the dmg red buff from riche, which I guess could be helpful for tanking a few ws hits. Can't really confirm that though since I haven't used gascan, much less one at fs5

[elder crane]

Her evasion boost skill is nice too

[cinder crater]

Gascan hasn't been great for pvp from my experience

[elder crane]

She isn't, the question is if Champ is any better or worse

[sterile bobcat]

sorry if this is off-topic, since this is a purely hypothetical question
Would Belfast be any more useful than she currently is if her first guaranteed smoke proc was moved from 10-20s to 15-25s?

[sweet venture]

depends on reload of enemy ships and other buffs on barrage/skills

[young mulch]

More useful probably because that timing covers almost every backline's first damage rotation

[sour oasis]

Maybe for pvp because most most mainline hits come at that mark. Foxes strike and Amagi IJN barrage are the notable quick hitters. Though for improvement purposes, longer smoke would be nicer.
Bel's smokescreen is a % buff or a static buff to evasion, and is it specific to planes/salvo/barrage?

[coral wren]

The french are a bit faster

[sour oasis]

Oh la la. Forgot about those. I was more focused on pre-loaded torpedo memes.

[crude mortar]

belfast smoke should be 13-23

12-25

10-30

[buoyant parrot]

for those pvp peeps who are going back to Night Raven guild for operation Siren do let me know. We're about to start preparing in the next coming weeks and reserving slots for oldies

[coral wren]

Whats best loadout for shinano in pvp?

[crude mortar]

double apcuda one torp cuda

[coral wren]

Whats a apcuda?

[sterile bobcat]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Fairey_Barracuda_(831_Squadron) this thing

[coral wren]

Ty

What aux to useb

?

Oil barrels and beacon?

[sterile bobcat]

idk if apcuda is actually good tho, I dont trust the other guy
for aux I'm guessing avgas+rudder is standard for CVs

[coral wren]

I see ty.

[bleak osprey]

double apcuda one torp cuda
@crude mortar why tho?

Afaik NGA used SBC for all their maff and testing

[crude mortar]

did you never try tripple ap cuda

*triple cuda

fomiddable triple cuda

go try it

[bleak osprey]

[midnight heron]

just run triple ryuusei 4head

[slender needle]

Ryuusei or barracuda for hiryuu and shinano?

[quartz scaffold]

Ryuusei

[hot creek]

cudas 4 lyfe

[slender needle]

Alright and guys if we're defeating opponent that 35+ point higher than us we will get 1 bonus score in pvp right? But is there anything with 2 or higher bonus than one?

[crude mortar]

70+

[slender needle]

Okay

[lethal tapir]

is Shinano top tier without Namagi/not much IJN?

this is the pvp attack team im working on right now, i don't have either nugget or amagi, and its also the first time i try to do anything pvp so im sure what im doing xd

[quartz scaffold]

[storm jewel]

@lethal tapir vanguard could benefit more from jintsuu (10-4)

[elder crane]

@lethal tapir prolly Warkai/Shinano/Hiryuu is good, that's my prediction at least
You for sure want Juneau in there though, just get her leveled already smh

@sour oasis Evasion buff applies to all evadable damage, planes, guns, etc included
That's why she's a counter to foxes
the evasion rate buff actually matters more than her air resist multiplier
she cuts down fox dmg to like 1/3 of what it would be otherwise - as long as your vanguard doesn't decide to leave smoke REEE

[buoyant parrot]

hey Zack are you still active?

if so are you going back to NightRaven?

[storm jewel]

wonder if shinano in pvp defense would like fighter or another ryusei slot 1 ?

[upper sparrow]

Still need proper test

[raw osprey]

Shinano is like: im helping

[raw osprey]

🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋

[mortal idol]

Should I be tanking warspite barrage with amagi or hiryuu?

[sweet venture]

amagi you want hiryuu to proc cheese as late as possible

[storm jewel]

proc cheese on attack desperate

[sweet venture]

lmao i just one shotted this guys ykkz with ibuki preload

[dull token]

I love how in PvP. When my Enty activates her lucky E. It's not her skin that pops up on screen but Bismarck's

[quartz scaffold]

Does rudder proc evade all kinds of dmg

[upper sparrow]

Should be? Its hard to look if crash plane&ramming damage is evaded or not tho

[upper cove]

it's "perfect dodge" so it should be the same as enty

in other words

dodge all incoming damage except ramming and pre existing DoTs (burn)

[quartz scaffold]

[elder crane]

This includes plane crash btw, which ignores regular evasion but is still blocked by perfect evasion

Why? Who knows

🍝

[sour oasis]

I blame sharing skill with Eldredge

[dire stream]

[coral wren]

Bruh whats best loadout on Shinano

I tried APbarracuda and VT18 it wasnt that good.

[frail orbit]

@coral wren and why tf using VT18? It's not that gud btw

Koz flood still RNGesus whether ur torp hits backline or not

Just ask Rendar @elder crane

Also imagine less crash

[coral wren]

hmm I see

[frail orbit]

On PVP, w/ FC/FH, u want triple Cuda

FC/FH as in 4mi Cent/4mi Hi

[coral wren]

Whats FC FH

[frail orbit]

While for Namagi based team

Better stick w/ Ryusei

[coral wren]

I am using Richi Warspite and Shinano

[frail orbit]

Oh
Ryusei it is

[coral wren]

I see

so double ryuu

[frail orbit]

Unless

U wanna crash

Then triple Cuda

[coral wren]

I see

[frail orbit]

TB Cuda/831 Cuda/TB Cuda

[coral wren]

Are there Crash dmg chart on wiki?

[frail orbit]

No

But u could see

[coral wren]

oh 831 have 480 dmg

[frail orbit]

On the planes respective place

Yeah

Same as TB Cuda

Basically
9x480

[coral wren]

so helldiver isnt best for pvp?

[frail orbit]

2x480x125%
3x480x130%
4x480x135%

Alas, Hecdabber only if u need double Ryusei

[coral wren]

I seee

ty alot :3

[elder crane]

Ryuusei is mostly good for if your CV survives to the end
Cause then it just absolutely nukes main fleet ships
If you're looking at earlier perf, cuda/818 is best as usual

VT-18 is just.... no, for PvP

[storm jewel]

@elder crane why is vt-18 is bad, it has anti-bb skill , good no ?

[elder crane]

You lose too much crash dmg and the flood ends up almost never being relevant

Early in the match, vanguard will half the time intercept the torps, which combined w the flood not applying 100%, means much more often than not, you don't get a flood at all

Later on, it's too late for a DoT effect to matter, especially since DoTs can't kill ships in PvP

And ofc Ryuusei are waaaay better later on anyways

Crash dmg can be checked on the individual equip pages in wiki
VT-18 for whatever reason has a petty 300 base crash dmg, while Cudas have 480 and even 818 has 400
And for PvP, crash dmg is a good chunk of the dmg CVs do

[storm jewel]

i see

[dusky moth]

how strong would the belfast-suzu combo be in pvp?

[crude mortar]

why are people still trying to use suzu in pvp

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/715937641580724255.gif?v=1

[upper cove]

they see smokescreen and think good

[crude mortar]

one day if something super broken happening at 3s+ then suzu might be good

[sweet venture]

if one smokescreen good two smokescreen double good

[dusky moth]

exactly

Alright well then, I'm not a pvp expert, but why exactly is suzu bad then? Can I get a serious response?

[crude mortar]

it doesn't block anything

3-8s doesn't block anything

are you willingly to waste one vg spot for a dd that didn't do jackshit instead of using nishiro/yukikaze/juneu/jintsuu/naganami

[dusky moth]

I thought torps would hit around the 3s mark but could have been wrong

[crude mortar]

torp is 1 or 2

[dusky moth]

Also I only have yukikaze of those lol

[crude mortar]

even if you somehow avoid first torp with smoke,black torp nowaday can hit backline she doesn't solve that issue

and if you use her mean your vg doing jackshit damage

that mean enemy vg might survive to 23s and shoot torp again

boom

and if you jusdt wanna chese with that smoke why bother using her over noshiro

[dusky moth]

"I only have yukikaze of those"

Iget it now tho

[crude mortar]

juneu

ibuki

anything

not suzu

[dusky moth]

Don't have ibuki

not building juneu

[crude mortar]

you dont have juneu?

[dusky moth]

I have her just not gonna bother with her

[crude mortar]

you dont have metaship and still not gonna raise juneu?

goodluck

[dusky moth]

I'd build juneu if she was useful in pve too, I honestly dont care for her

Event locked ships like noshiro will come back, and I'm on amagi where not many are running torp VGs anyways

[crude mortar]

amagi server...

goodluck

[dusky moth]

Thanks, my b for being a newish player I guess

[coral wren]

Oxytorp sandy

And you cant change my mind

[crude mortar]

good

[tranquil dock]

i mean u can oxytorp her and it'll somehow work 🤷‍♂️

[coral wren]

[sweet venture]

you know i was meming when i said 2 smokescreen good right loire?

[dusky moth]

Yeah that's why I asked for serious responses

genuine questions only to get memed on smh

[crude mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749892752376070187/750458669606633522/676468181174321171.gif

[sweet venture]

how is this guy running sodakent full eagle union in 2020

[trail temple]

Real men run KMS

[dull token]

my fleet

[shy hazel]

oi go back to gameplay hell if u advertising kms memes

[sweet venture]

lost to sodakwas in 2020

[tough estuary]

what does that do

[coral wren]

Been building my future fleet and spent my day going over the buffs the will get from skills

XD

Question

Does the percentage take into account the equipment stats or just the base stats

[storm jewel]

most % into base stats as u can see them in-game, others into some sort of formula

[placid lance]

Is there anyone I could work on that would make this pvp fleet better, assuming levels are all equal?

https://imgur.com/a/Jkd3MhB

[storm jewel]

akagi/kaga/warkai?

but it wouldnt be that much different lol

[mint hornet]

your front line is basically meta, minus azuma when you eventually get her
backline improvements could be getting hiryuu I suppose? But centaur and enty are solid

just make sure your aux equips are correct, otherwise they'll be a lot squishier than they should be

[placid lance]

Oh, do I not just smack gold engine on every carrier?

[mint hornet]

the pinned tier list lists everything out
but generally you want evasion/IHR on backline to evade/immune BB salvos
and speed on frontline to also dodge BB salvos

[coral wren]

shinano in tierlist when

[bleak osprey]

probably when people can actually test her out, skills are time gated

[coral wren]

[sterile bobcat]

What exactly is AA baiting? I see it mentioned in the pinned gear guides but idk exactly what is it referring to

[cinder crater]

I think it's when you have your reppuus fly in ahead of the rest of your planes to bait the enemy AA

Therefore, the planes that do more damage will be safe from getting shot down

[sterile bobcat]

I think I get it
so is sea hornet worth using in pvp then? it seems superior to reppuu in every way (including plane health/speed and crash damage) but if AA baiting legit works and the whole point is to get your front-most planes shot down then I'll stick to reppuu on enty

[cinder crater]

Yeah sea hornet is good in pvp

[shy hazel]

we should start getting new ppl to update that sheet with us

the pvp trihards are quitting the game one by one now

[static gull]

How is shino in PvP?

[shy hazel]

daily reminder that skills are not yet maxed

so no full disclosure yet

[static gull]

Anyway, 8-9lvl is enough,no?

[shy hazel]

also needs lvl 120 for full testing

we only compare meta fleets rn

[static gull]

I have seen today ,that one of shikikans have 120 shino

[shy hazel]

by shino u meant shinano

[static gull]

Yes

[shy hazel]

oh rendar left this channel already

[static gull]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRtYK243m8lp8JO9xBV8eZw

This one

[shy hazel]

still untested

really need to have all 3 skills

at lvl 9 if wanted

by this timeline it shouldnt be possible

our tester who also plays in jp already quit

[static gull]

[shy hazel]

while i got mlb shinano myself i havent grinded to 120 yet nor do i have 3 skills at lvl 9

@elder crane

wat u think of shinano

[static gull]

I m not hard player,but my shino is already 80 lvl 6/7/6 skills

[shy hazel]

yes and thats not enuf for testing

[static gull]

Ofc

[shy hazel]

my shinano is at lvl 100

the problem with testing shinano is

foremost

its UR

not that easy to mlb it

and our group decides a tier once 3-5 of us tested it

if u want predictions ask rendar

but hes off right now

well at least

its a ur and the skills looks decent

so it'll probably be good with nagato

prediction is 0.5 tier

[static gull]

I also think that her skill won't be more effective at max lvl, but who knows , what ships will be in the future.

Mb shino is a big joke

[true vale]

Wonder what Equipment you'd use for her on PVP. I'd assume double heccdabbers for maximum surface-dps? 🤔

Oop, nevermind, just saw the discussion was there prior.

[elder crane]

Dmg carriers just haven't been viable for a while now
But she does do more dmg per strike than anything (by a good deal on average), and have some veeeery good eHP
Hard to say if that's enough
Tbf iirc Taihou isn't the worst, and Shinano is much improved over her
Next question is then if you stick to Namagi or, esp due to Shinano CV buff, you keep Hiryuu and drop one of the others instead
I wrote like a fricking essay on that, basically, probably with Nagato, especially if Shinano+Hiryuu becomes a very popular setup

[true vale]

Or if you just count her as another off-flag DPS much like FDG or Warkai, and keep either of the Two for the increased focus damage. I feel like something needs to completely focus on Backline fire, or you'll open spots for less-tanky options, because i.e. if you have Amagi/Nagato/Shinano, you'll have some really sub-par Main damage, given Nagato mostly focuses VG early on in my experience.

The problem with that is that you'll lack Amagi. It's really a finnicky situation.

Given you'd probably need to run Warkai with sub-par gear, or FDG to tank the hits, because Amagi won't do it for you anymore.

Granted, Hiryuu would probably be a decent secondary carrier, given she gets double damage boosts when used in conjunction with Nagato and Shinano.

[shy hazel]

to sum it up

shes a sidegrade meta pick

this is why amagi shouldve been a UR

[frail orbit]

Hey at least non Hiryuu could be viable now in real competitive matters

Other than sandbagging real hard that is

[crude mortar]

well,its not like sandbagging is hard

[static gull]

I thought PvP is sandbagging simulator

[storm jewel]

sandbagging is hard esp when u have to sandbag your own sleep at 3am

[static gull]

3 a.m. ,you woke up an u feel like u are sand bag, meh

[storm jewel]

alarm at 2:45, your wife slapped u back to sleep at 2:46 , missed 5 charges

[quartz scaffold]

[coral wren]

Every time I see Eldridge in a Defense fleet the enemy vanguard seems to have infinite evasion

Is there a reason behind that?

[static gull]

Johnny, wake up, wake up, johnny ,you fleet have been defeated

Luck?

[coral wren]

I swear she evades so many bullets

More then yuki

Somethings wrong I can feel it

[storm jewel]

When taking damage: Vanguard Fleet has 15% chance to evade all incoming attacks for 5 (10) seconds (Has a 20 second cooldown. Skill starts on cooldown.)

[static gull]

Mb in the last patch yostar made a mistake somehow?

Gacha skills in gacha game

Btw who plays PvP with ranger ?

[coral wren]

I also can’t seem to rank out of captain

[quartz scaffold]

Are you above rank 1000?

[coral wren]

My current rank is 5248.

It looks something like this.

[quartz scaffold]

Ranks have a minimum rank and season score to satisfy. It's in the pins

Yea it tells there at the bottom

[coral wren]

Oh? So that’s how it works

I see

[storm jewel]

got sandbagged hard into 5k rank

[quartz scaffold]

It's worded badly I don't blame you

[storm jewel]

but why u only get +9. must have hit someone lower on the right

[quartz scaffold]

Just add "minimum" before "points" and "rank" at the bottom to enter the rank said

[coral wren]

What’s sandbagging?

[quartz scaffold]

Delaying your attacks until the last min before exercise attempts add up

[coral wren]

well, why would you do that?

[quartz scaffold]

Gives the most points you get per battle

[coral wren]

what?? that's a factor??

man, all i did in pvp was farm for merits..

[quartz scaffold]

Because most people have done their attempts and the farther their ranks are away the more points

[coral wren]

tbh i kinda have 80k merits because i have nothing to spend em on

[quartz scaffold]

Don't bother sandbagging unless you want to reach the top ranks

[coral wren]

I used to think I was already pretty high because I was facing people at lvl 100, 90 and above.

i can't go by a day without seeing usual unbeatable meta stuff with nagato in it.

oh! not to mention the juneaus.. the amagis..

[storm jewel]

if u have some really good units in pve u can bring them and still win over those meta most of the time

back then I just pray to enty to proc her x2 so i can win

[coral wren]

i have lvl120 enterprise, monarch and warkai and still sometimes full IJN fleet meta just explodes my backline before i can do anything

also yeah, I find myself praying to rng for procs a lot too.

I use helena so most of the time a battle hinges on whether or not gets her scan off.

you can get admiral of the fleet fairly easily if you have a power enough fleet to just rush your attacks as soon as they drop

or atleast vice admiral

a gap develops eventually

[ivory vale]

Do you guys think this is a good build for pvp?

[frail orbit]

@ivory vale imagine still bringin catas to pvp

[ivory vale]

Am planning on replacing warspite with her once am done lv her skills and lv

What do guys think I should change

[frail orbit]

2020 and still bringing catapult to PVP smhw

[storm jewel]

wonder wat would be best combo among oil tank/beacon/rudder for her

[true vale]

Given she has more planes, possibly Tank over beacon?

[crude mortar]

catapult in pvp

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/270859188442365952/750595027746422864/737658088160493638.gif

[sterile bobcat]

Generally speaking, what ships are the best at tanking Warkai's despacito?

[true vale]

Hiryuu

[crude mortar]

erebus

warkai barrage deal baby damage vs light armor

[true vale]

Depends on what's in your fleet. I don't use Hiryuu and I let Amagi do the tanking.

[storm jewel]

anyone can tank warkai cuz she cant do jackshiet on defense

[true vale]

Unless it's against torpmeme and half your tank's health is missing anyways.

[crude mortar]

clearly never seen rainbow warspite

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/722667960870895676.gif?v=1

[storm jewel]

[crude mortar]

go use medium armor ship tanking rainbow gun warspite

[true vale]

But yeah, on a serious note? Probably whatever does the least damage in your fleet. Hiryuu, Amagi, Ships that you use for utlity over damage.

[crude mortar]

vh plate hiryu

[true vale]

That would probably be the best option.

[ivory vale]

I haven’t done pvp in while so I didn’t know catapult was a bad choice

Is this a good replacement

[true vale]

This is perfectly fine.

[ivory vale]

Thanks

[true vale]

Your backliners usually want some evasion option, and some that works with the ship, like a +hit (SG, HPFCR) or Barrels/Beacon for CVs

With your flagship usually being a decent candidate for the beaver badge.

[past egret]

Beaver is great on any Backline ship with abnormally low evasion

[storm jewel]

the meta ijn nagato deserves it most

[true vale]

Aight, little bit of theorycrafting help needed here. I try to simplify crit-bonus given by noshiro in a stat comparison. Given it's 12%, and crit modifier for VG is pretty much always 150%, could you simply add a flat 6% Firepower to get similar results?

[crude mortar]

its different

you shoot torpedo at the begining

if it crit it deal alot of dmg

fire power you shoot alot its overall dps

and crit is rng

[true vale]

Yeah, I kinda remembered torps are a thing, and probably the least neglible one.

[crude mortar]

enemy can get haloisted

if you crit alot

if enemy fleet is weak they cant win vs azuma and just cant win

if enemy fleet is bad they can still somehow keep resetting and win vs torp

but if enemy fleet is strong and beat azuma they dont lose to azuma

but they still get rekt by torp

I dont usually reset vs azuma but I reset vs torp

[true vale]

You love to see it

[crude mortar]

@sterile bobcat

[storm jewel]

shinano avatar looks really hot with skin

[true vale]

So, I went through a few considerations regarding the carrier-based idea. That being a fleet with Nagato, Hiryuu, Shinano. Now, if she turns out to be good in that constellation, which might actually happen, given all the cross-buffing possibilities, I was wondering just how much impact Sirius would have over Noshi

and I may or may not have spent way too much time on a sheet that I'm never going to use again to compare the two against each other (which uses very oversimplified and possibly wrong formulas and such, just to get an idea what might or might not fall into that consideration)

[storm jewel]

sirius buff the avi stat, not avi damage like nagato, iirc

[bleak osprey]

ye

[blissful oyster]

hey, I just had crazy thought, is it good idea to put 3 BBs in pvp fleet?

[elder crane]

That's the meta

So well

[blissful oyster]

what's current best team?

[elder crane]

@true vale
Btw
+X% to offensive stat is less than +X% to dmg

1. dmg scales with stat+100 actually, so you're short X of the stat
2. stat buffs stack additively, so each additional one is less effective %-wise

[blissful oyster]

I'm pretty sure FdG is in it, right?

[elder crane]

Either Nagato Amagi FdG-457 or Warkai Amagi FdG (both warkai/FdG with 457) is current standard "top meta"
With the addition of Nagato Amagi Warkai-457 for offense

Also ofc Azuma in Vanguard who is basically a pocket BC cosplaying as a vanguard

[blissful oyster]

is Monarch decent in pvp?

[elder crane]

Monarch is okay, especially with warkai

[blissful oyster]

I was thinking about Monarch, Warkai and Howe for backline, full HMS fleet... 😄

[elder crane]

Sounds like not completely garbage unless you run HMS vanguards too

If you do then it's actually 🚮

[blissful oyster]

but vanguard would need major PR3 grind

[elder crane]

Drake is literally the only HMS vanguard with that team who wouldn't be complete garbage

[blissful oyster]

I guess best vanguard still includes Noshiro and Juneau, right?

[elder crane]

Ykkz or Noshiro and then Juneau yes
Then you want Azuma or the other one you skipped
Drake should be better than anything other than those four, and a very small chance she's better than one of those four

[blissful oyster]

no one tested Suzutsuki yet in place of Yukikaze? I have a feeling she could be better

[elder crane]

What exactly is she supposed to be good for though

The smoke perfectly manages to be useless
She's less tanky
No other support skills

All she offers is some DpS, which is very whatever

[rough plume]

Ykkz Juneau Azuma is probably the best frontline unless the enemy is torp vanguard

[blissful oyster]

ok, then I guess Suzu for pve only, thanks for recomendations, I'm currently farming exp for Monarch and almost done with Warspite retro, so exercises hopefully will be easier with them 🙂

[rough plume]

U need gold or what for warkai retro?

[blissful oyster]

yeah, gold, mainly, bb bp i have almost 100...

torp vanguard include Aya and Ykkz, right?

[rough plume]

No im pretty sure its something like Noshiro Jintsuu Naganami

U could probably sub aya for naganami or jintsu

[blissful oyster]

ah, thanks, I have another ship to add to wishlist 😄

[storm jewel]

how is noshiro/naganami/jintsuu on defense ?

i never see one before, but saw some on offense vids and its amazing

[sweet venture]

meh on def

they can just get melted by azuma or even ibuki preload

[storm jewel]

[midnight heron]

how is it meh on def when they hav the highest potential to make u reset ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upper sparrow]

Noshi-naga-jintsuu is one of best torpmeme def fleet

Need black torp for that tho

[sweet venture]

im not resetting im coinflipping that mofo

[upper sparrow]

Thats def fleet for you

Dont need consistency

Just use rng to annoy ppl attack fleet

[storm jewel]

my spirit is up again for that def fleet

[sweet venture]

just one shot this guys juneau with ibuki preload and procced final counter on their hiryuu with warkai instantly

life is good

[crude mortar]

reverse haloisted

[elder crane]

was the enemy player "haloist"?

[naive dome]

a lot of people seem to slack off on pvp this season, eh?

[hot creek]

Every Season Dead Season™

[elder crane]

I'm at -11 matches soooo
and most in second week

very ded for me lol

I'll see if I can even hit gensui period lol

[storm jewel]

if only i lived in Cali, timezone cucks hard

[naive dome]

I easily got aotn in this gensui despite missing 8 fights. Normally I have to do it on saturday if i miss this many fights

[storm jewel]

[unreal storm]

i heard suzu would help against torp memes, but i guess u just need rng for torp memes

[sterile bobcat]

Is it worth using VT-18 over cuda in PvP?
Lower crash dmg but the bonus vs BBs seem nice since that's the meta anyway

[crude mortar]

AGAIN?

@elder crane

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/715937641580724255.gif?v=1

[frail orbit]

Lord, have mercy upon these fools

[cinder crater]

I don't get it

[frail orbit]

Less crash dmg

[cinder crater]

Are those all the things that suck in pvp but people ask if they're good?

[frail orbit]

Also

Yeah

[cinder crater]

Ah

[frail orbit]

Basically just derp on PVP

Koz inconsistency

Even Nugget kinda bad nowadays, but hey, enemy VGs are mostly what

Light armor

[cinder crater]

Why is dev0 azuma on there

[frail orbit]

[cinder crater]

With the old ui

[frail orbit]

Why is dev0 azuma on there
@cinder crater D25 is the prequisite

For a gud chunk of eHP

She's meant to tank shit after all

[cinder crater]

So Odin and Drake confirmed bad in pvp now?

[frail orbit]

Drake, we dont even know atm

As none actually have DRake at D25-D30ish to even test her at PVP field

For Odin, imagine tanking flag when flag's basically the safest spot, unless enemy Nugget kicks in but whatever, heavy armor keks

Unless ur flag is my 1st wife but who tf not putting VH on her keks

[cinder crater]

Who's your first wife

Amagi?

[frail orbit]

[sterile bobcat]

If I put Warspite flag, she'll always shoot the topmost ship in the enemy backline right?

[cinder crater]

Yes, until they die

[sterile bobcat]

With her despacito I mean

[frail orbit]

Ye

[cinder crater]

Rudder + gyroscope for azuma right?

[frail orbit]

Ye

U dont wanna VH, ever

Lest she got farted by skunk fart

[cinder crater]

Why the gryo instead of boiler or badge

[frail orbit]

Extra hit

Also MSPD

Badge, u reserve the badge for the flag

[sterile bobcat]

What are the best auxes for hiryuu? If I don't have VH

[quartz scaffold]

Rudder+beaver/avgas

[spare iron]

I know its stupid but what do you arm in a French PvP fleet?

[cinder crater]

Wdym what do you arm

[fierce field]

inb4 Richy JB Champy

[cinder crater]

Isn't champy a little squishy for pvp

[sterile bobcat]

is Hoodgun still recommended for nagato? or is it always 406skc now