3 lucky e's a day is one more broken phone away
#pvp
coral wren
coarse hearth
So 1 DD equal to 3~4 Boiler right?
Which better?
Or use dmg CL CA and equip every vanguard with boiler?
Or
Ditch boiler, use dmg aux, and swap dmg CL with yukikaze for SPD stat?
sour oasis
Don't DD in PvP unless you just want to get xp. Some rare exceptions, but most DD die too quickly.
coarse hearth
Oh god
Thanks
I almost spent my purin on yukikaze today
coral wren
there are specific dd's you want to use
sour oasis
Cruisers with boilers. Some you may even want 2.
sour oasis
How new to PvP are you, what server are you on, and how far do you want to go?
New players should look at pvp as a place to gain xp, maybe get some merit to spend. Especially on Amagi server where players don't have big meta-breaking ships.
coral wren
Merit is a good source of purins
coarse hearth
Im from amagi
Just wanna get the top 10 admiral with 2.5k promoted rank merit point,
after that i will ignore my rank and focus exp grind my pr ship
bcoz pvp nullify that massive oil despite my pr low dev
Been achive top 500 before skybpund orotario without min max
But now im struggling with even for top 2000 rank
ebon kraken
Do you tend to do all your matches at a time?
sour oasis
More players joining, watching Azur Lane Meta videos on how to properly min-max, and of course after time players will have higher level ships and PR/DR ships.
Can you win all your fights? Or are you winning and not climbing high enough?
coarse hearth
Idk that missing match are that effective
ebon kraken
Provided you're not losing matches (just leave everytime you're about to lose), rear admiral shouldnt be hard
Ah missed matches
sour oasis
Hey, I've been chasing an Archivist in Avrora 
ebon kraken
Im pure food for the real sandbaggers at this point 
sour oasis
Don't miss. Win all your tickets. You'll easily make top 1000.
You're still somehow 20 points above me Archivist. 
ebon kraken
Theoretically speaking if you rush fast enough can you avoid being food until close to end of season? Trying that out this time
coarse hearth
Wow
I never knew missed match screw my pvp that much
coral wren
it does
ebon kraken
Yeah you should try not to miss attempts as much as possible
sour oasis
The difference between #1 and #100 is usually 10 to 20 points.
coarse hearth
Theoretically speaking if you rush fast enough can you avoid being food until close to end of season? Trying that out this time Uzukiiiii
I guess this is one of the reason too
Bcoz i stop rushing & sandbagging since someone say not worth sandbagging
sour oasis
When I was starting out, I would even fight the right-most opponent because I couldn't best anyone else. Just so I didn't waste tickets.
ebon kraken
If you win everything hitting rear admiral (lower half) around saturday should be doable
sour oasis
What is "food" to you Archivist?
quartz scaffold
If you sandbag most of the time you'll get to top 10 no problem, and when you're 50 points away from aotn just rush so you can touch it
coarse hearth
The difference between #1 and #100 is usually 10 to 20 points.
This kind of information i love to hear @sour oasis
Sound simple but huge effect
sour oasis
To me, everyone is food to everyone... If no one was, the top 100 wouldn't move
royal oyster
wait, the eos spread on amagi is 10-20 points for top 100? that's much more narrow than it is on other servers.
ebon kraken
Especially on Amagi where meta isnt very developed
Sandbagging isn't strictly necessary unless you're going for high ranks at end of season (basically last few minutes leaderboard)
sour oasis
Eh, anyone in top 100 is food. You want to chase food players. You don't want to stalk people who sandbag, or worse, who sleep through tickets ||like me at least once every season||
ebon kraken
If its that 2.5k bonus you want, just winning all your matches and rushing near 2nd weekend will get you there
As much as possible, you'd wanna go for the leftmost opponent (the one with highest rank compared to you at that point of time)
coarse hearth
I know that attack fleet in pvp, dont have specific meta, it more on counterfleet & out-lvl enemy
But how bout def fleet?
Is there currently best def fleet meta ?
More like generelist def meta fleet
sour oasis
No. Defense fleet is just for flexing
ebon kraken
Because of how pvp is structured currently, most people with proper fleets won't have much issues with winning against even the best defences. What you want to do on defense is either to stall these players/make it hard for newbies to beat you
sour oasis
Defense fleet gets no xp or boosts. It's just to show off or annoy other people.
ebon kraken
Or just flex 
sour oasis
I like using a weak fleet so the pvp list is more volatile; new players can move around more (and be food)
coarse hearth
I thought def fleet might affecting my pvp ranking & merit point
Oh god
ebon kraken
I just left my cookie cutter fleet on this time, too lazy to swap
Nah doesnt affect directly. At most it'd hinder others from beating you and getting points from you
sour oasis
When going for a top 500 spot (last weekend), I change my defense fleet to survive (not really win, just RNG to last long, like Lucky E) so I can try and stop people (however rare that is) from climbing over me right away as I'm trying to climb.
royal oyster
ideally you would leave a full fleet with unarmed 120s with no dangerous barrages or anything to encourage people to use their exercises
coral wren
my defense fleet is just warkai and a lone vanguard for maximum memes on newer players
petty revenge for falling for it myself 
coarse hearth
I wont get demote hugely if i use purin fleet right?
Im start thinking using 120lvl purin & AR to help newplayer
I love pururin anyway
I would oaath it if someone force me use my oath ring
But prefer virgin in AL & irl
ebon kraken
@royal oyster good guy vice
sour oasis
Go for it
sour oasis
I like to field two kinds of trap defense fleets:
- Two level-1 ships. Super easy to beat, but no XP gain
- Six level-120 ships with no equipment, to force players who want xp to waste time switching from their winning fleet (likely at max xp) to a training fleet (and switching back when they hit a flex fleet)
royal oyster
just don't leave an unarmed namagrosse team in there, that'll still do more damage than most equipped non-meta fleets 
sour oasis
Wait. What.
coral wren
defenitely dont put a lone geared out fdg and azuma
ebon kraken
I actually should try that out next week 
Held off on using them until they reached dev30, but grind is ez now
sour oasis
coarse hearth
How to let people know im not using any gear, without oath renaming ?
I just wish newbie dont have to suffer like all of us before.
coral wren
just dont use any, they will go off power
royal oyster
you can tell by fleet power
coral wren
new people wont really see much else besides power
coarse hearth
Forgot that exist, event 5 month old player like me forgot that lol
ebon kraken
You shouldn't be close to breaking 10k on main/vg if ungeared, with some possibly rare exceptions (warkai/mlb fdg?)
coarse hearth
I scared of SR lvl120 ship barrage despite no gearXD
You shouldn't be close to breaking 10k on main/vg if ungeared, with some possibly rare exceptions (warkai/mlb fdg?)
Again, i love this kind of info alot @ebon kraken
Hard to find this kind of info in googling
sour oasis
Thank goodness for Discord.
ebon kraken
Use Discord as your Google for AL stuff
May not work for all queries you have, but usually gets you somewhere
For the more specific questions, i believe people would be willing to help 
coarse hearth
AL reason i discover discord bcoz someone name nekunin recoment it
I glad he does,
Wish i found him earlier.
Lot dmg have been done by 120 lvl akashi & vestal
sour oasis
Compared to YT? 
coarse hearth
Sorry
Got carried away
sour oasis
Technically true. You use an AR for +AA and +1 ammo IF the other 5 ships are sturdy. And the AR just has to be level 100 to survive 4 fights.(pick the hardest fights)
coarse hearth
Thanks guy 
, i better leave now before i got offtopic again XD
sour oasis
Eh, check out Azur Lane Meta Discord channel too.
It's a smaller group, but they are dedicated to PvP help.
coarse hearth
Most of you already helpful
But i wanna try that too, where can i find it? Cant find in google
Thanks again@sour oasis
I start to like this channel
It is Chilling here
sour oasis
The #al-general there is trash, but they have an OK help(meta) section
Honestly given how chill it is here, you probably won't learn anything new there.
But it is a good cross reference to verify info learned here, on YT, on reddit, etc.
storm jewel
how u guys think of 114mm on yukikaze ?
most of opinions i heard from others is 76mm for her barrage
but I find my yuki is always last survival and her barrage is shiet missing all the time
upper cove
for pvp ykkz barrage isn't that important
honestly just stick to twin100 for the higher AA stat, she's not doing damage with her gun anyways
upper cove
for most fights, you don't need the AA, cause CVs are a dead meta
but on the off chance you find some CV comp it can help a little bit
save 114 for important ships
and if you're set on using it in pvp, juneau could use it better for sure
storm jewel
oh does juneau love pearl ?
upper cove
no
upper cove
main tank juneau can die too fast that she already over heals
add pearl in and you will over heal basically everytime
in that comp put it on noshiro and have her main tank
upper cove
juneau would do like double boiler, or boiler+bulge if you're going against torp heavy vgs
same for noshi I guess
ebon kraken
If you're gonna be running pearl on a noshi/juneau/ykkz (or azuma) setup, i'd give the pearl to noshi either way 
upper cove
I think that's what I said
cinder crater
What are the positions for azuma, Juneau, and yukikaze
ebon kraken
^would go with that order mentioned above
storm jewel
im always questioning about azuma in pvp
she always dies to my torp cancer
what make her good ?
no Kap
proper sorrel
tanky and has dps, what more could you ask?
storm jewel
coral wren
Bless hard stats
midnight heron
and again today i get a ykkz using rudder being tanky af again
obsidian kite
Azuma's only weakness is torps i think lol
But if you don't one shot her or Jesus you're settling yourself up for a more annoying fight
serene saddle
Here to think im back to ijn fleet :3
Nanoda i pretty much give her boiler + fire extinguisher so she wont get burned to death
fading olive
Ignoring the levels, I have in my dock:
Vanguard : Juneau
Main: Warspite kai / Nagato
Don't have azuma / noshiro. Whats my optimal attacking fleet now? Change enty for warspite kai & aya for jun?
serene saddle
Any1 provided u can kill their most annoying backline ship 1st like enty, warkai, amagi etc
coral wren
are you on lexington? i feel as though i have seen that fleet before
fading olive
Me? Nope, avrora
coral wren
ah, ok
fading olive
Amagi/Nagato/Warkai
Juneau/Sheffield/Belfast probably works
Why this Frontline tho
ripe latch
powerful vg
sour oasis
Juneau is somewhat slippery and her healing skill adds to your survivability. I'd place her in the rightmost slot (aft/rear tank) because I want her to die 2nd not 1st.
Sheffield and Belfast are both durable while able to provide decent fire. Belfast's smokescreen helps avoid enemy CV launches.
@fading olive If you want to kill better, remove Aya and put Yukikaze there, then add Juneau at the end, finally increase levels to 120.
Enty,when Lucky (E) does major damage (replace with War-Kai if opponent has an annoying main ship you want to delete quickly), Rich does major damage, Amagi casts debuffs. In front you have slippery StL who helps you survive (and can deal good damage), Yukikaze who helps you survive (her RNG defense skill and flagship shield), and Juneau who helps you survive (giant band-aid).
It's going to be hard to beat the 14k+ defense fleets, but not impossible.
ripe latch
simple basalt
I'm running Nagato, Hiryuu, Amagi/Yukikaze, Belfast, Juneau. Who am I replacing for Azuma?
proper sorrel
belfast
simple basalt
Thanks. Who am I replacing for FdG?
glad trail
How is the new ap gun from pr3 guys? running nagato hiryuu warkai and was thinking of trying it on warkai?
Its that vs triple purp 406
upper cove
it's just a better izumo gun
glad trail
I dont know how good izumk gun is so doesnt help me, sorry
I just wanna know if i should use it :)
glad trail
huh? idk im eu so the times suck for me, if I gotta go to bed then such is life also I dont usually have my stuff equipped so at least im easy right? xd
im not really sure what ur comment means but im not "rushing" i just use all my entries so i dont miss any yknow?
simple basalt
@mint hornet Thank you.
glad trail
Its annoying trying to camp ppl when all americans are sleeping when its my best time to play -_-
hoary saddle
Can dev 20 Azuma replace Noshiro?
narrow meadow
ehh americans dont make up a huge portion of the AL EN playerbase
most EN AL players (by revenue earned per region) are either in east asia or east europe
glad trail
Oh well, anyways, I will still rush to be able to sleep although its bad for points, u can have free points from me all u want :)
narrow meadow
๐ข well too bad you're not matched up with me now
fading olive
@sour oasis thanks for the writeup. I don't know much about pvp, i was looking through the tierlist and i dont have all the ships to fit a full fleet in the top tiers -- its a bit of here and there.
So i was wondering if there was a best attacking fleet for me as i have just gotten the 3 new ships as options. Sheff & Belfast arent rated highly in the tier list so it was curious to me why you suggested them both over what i have presented
sour oasis
I didn't see any ships you presented. The last thing suggested were Sheffield and Belfast. The 'best' attacking fleet is in the pinned tier list, lacking any pieces, you have to make do with what is in your dock. And maybe hope to run into someone who isn't using a 15k defense fleet. (Fleet power isn't an accurate measurement of difficulty, but it does give you some idea of what you're going to face)
Belfast is often offered in medal exchange or invitational items, so she might already be in your navy. She also was on the tiers last I remember. @fading olive
whole terrace
honestly just w
*swap enty for warkai and aya for jun as u said and you're good
I'd also swap richy for nagato but that's optional
fading olive
@sour oasis oh sorry it wasnt you that suggested sheff + bel. Anyway I have warspite kai / nagato as options for backline ,and was just thinking if swapping any of them out will help, assuming all are lvl 120.
I'd also swap richy for nagato but that's optional
so i guess if i had one more ign nagato would be preferred? But right now with what i have both are more or less performing the same?
naive dome
uh you dont have amagi and hiryuu?
fading olive
uh you dont have amagi and hiryuu?
i do have hiryuu, but i dont want to use her yet, would like to know whats the best attacking fleet excluding her in the discussion
naive dome
replace enty with warkai, aya with juneau
whole terrace
so i guess if i had one more ign nagato would be preferred? But right now with what i have both are more or less performing the same?
@fading olive That's not why. Amagi is there for the debuffs and eva rate buff. Nagato's buffs to amagi are significant but not essential
It's just Richelieu is an excellent choice there so there's debate as to whether nagato is actually better
I think she is, personally
fading olive
I mean i see ( Nagato / Amagi / Warkai + Azuma / Jun / Yuki ) in tier 0, but i dont have azuma nor noshiro, does replacing azuma with Sanrui still make the backline good?
whole terrace
it's fine, yes
fading olive
i dont know how to evaluate really, do i look at backline or backline + frontline
oh what i suggested is actually in tier 1 /facepalm
whole terrace
Well the current meta is mostly made of strong individual ships rather than synergy, so knowing the meta ships and their strongpoints is a good start
In terms of judging a comp's strength for yourself^
u can also just be a sheep and blindly follow the tierlist / popular choices, which is perfectly fine, but that might limit ur understanding of the game, as in any game
fading olive
would you recommend i invest my PR2 special blueprints in Azuma or FDG for pvp?
ebon kraken
would say azuma is more impactful overall
whole terrace
I'm investing them into Azuma until she reaches dev 25, then pouring the rest into fdg
sour oasis
If you use Hiryu, make Nagato flag since her buffs to Hiryu are rather significant (plus you might be using Amagi and Yukikaze). But you already have a good (is it not working?) strategy centered around Richelieu and Saint.
fading olive
My fleet does win against full lvl 120 fleets if they arent tryharding with jun
fading olive
for pvp, does MVP and flagship get more exp?
coral wren
yes
narrow meadow
trust devs or no?
hot creek
upper cove
trust devs 
rocky shadow
Hey i found you again
sour oasis
I lost a fight off before server kicked me out. Will I start the next refresh at 9/10 or 10/10 
trail temple
Did you lose before reset or after reset?
From experience, the exercise is "consumed" after it is completed
naive dome
did the "loading" animation after the fight finish/did you see the result screen?
ripe latch
cya on next 
sour oasis
Saw the results screen a full minute after the clock rolled over. I'm leaning towards 9/10 
buoyant parrot
how are the sandbagger lords doing?
crude mortar
true vale
Well rested, @buoyant parrot 
However, I'm doing more of a mix-mode. I get two refreshes during my current sleep schedule, so I dump out my attempts before sleep, and wake up to 10 that I typically use before my work shift ends. Not quite as effective, but eh. Who's keeping count.
naive dome
update is downloadable
ebon kraken
check back in week 2
sterile bobcat
How do I reach AoTN rank? I'm pretty sure Captain wasn't the highest, and I think I'm already in the top100
quartz scaffold
Have 2200 points and be in top 10
sterile bobcat
Also, if I'm getting too many hard opponents and just want to grind free xp should I just not play for a while to drop down?
cuz I'm getting matched with full lv120 teams when I'm with my lv100s 
wind niche
use the rematch option
if you run out of rematches just pick the highest level one and lose. you'll still get XP (1/2 as much) and a chance to reset opponents
sterile bobcat
I see, guess I'll have to lose some merit either way
wind niche
you don't lose merit for losing exercises
sterile bobcat
40 vs 80 for a loss/win, isn't it
that's effectively a 40 merit loss 
wind niche
it's still +40 merit, better than not doing any exercises at all
sour oasis
learn how to sandbag
No, that happens after your ships hit 120. (Or at least 115)
ebon kraken
if its just touching AoTN, shitbagging can get you there 
crude mortar
shell heron
ebon kraken
also does anyone know how many d30 DRs be running around on avrora?
would hazard a guess and say over 10 now but
shell heron
Depends. Both DRs or just one
ebon kraken
both 
sour oasis
Not everyone has ๐ฐ๐
ebon kraken
can confirm, my cubes died for that
would be interesting to see if more people run fdg after getting their 2nd/3rd HPFCR
cinder crater
Mk6 unless you're trying to sync with something
empty owl
Ok thank you
ripe latch
empty owl
What ><
crude mortar
using qe
haram
qe is junk ship in pvp
why would anyone ever tried to use her in pvp?
@ripe latch
sour oasis
Tier... Big 7?
crude mortar
sour oasis
QE HMS buff dies with her right?
ripe latch
buff for end battle
crude mortar
get full evasion and send her tank enemy warspite
sour oasis
crude mortar
also use he gun
shes like
first salvo hope it burn
or hit enemy cv
*vg
and she can die
ripe latch
crude mortar
hms yukikaze
dusky moth
dumb question, but pvp increases affinity still right?
upper cove
no iirc
royal oyster
definite no
dusky moth
rip
elder crane
it's early season
sour oasis
No oil, no affinity. (Secretary duties only do so much)
elder crane
you won't have meta start to settle to the top until week 2
true vale
Yeah, I guess it's literally just people who did every reset. 
elder crane
and it's really only near end that it gets concentrated
true vale
Wouldn't mind if it stayed this way.
At least I wouldn't have to supervise my team as it fights the 20th T0 fleet.
obtuse lotus
I have a question, does Fleet tech affect your fleet in PVP?
crude mortar
hot creek
it affects the number displayed but not the actual in combat stats, at least thats what its supposed to be like, according to what the devs say
but who knows actually with how spaghetti the code is
empty grove
ripe latch
elder crane
That was the case for like apparently 3 days after the patch releasing fleet tech before an emergency fix
CN PvP testers immediately noticed offense winrates seemed bad, and eventually someone crunched numbers and figured it out
JP afaik didn't even notice lol
EN has an excuse that since that was still lv110 cap, no one had particularly good tech bonus anyways
frail orbit
storm jewel
I only have 1 staag, which girl needs it the most? Nagato or Amagi ?
storm jewel
i skipped pr1 to have fun with azuma and drake
sour oasis
How is Drake? Better than DR2, better than PR3, or just skin material?
coarse hearth
Amagi'es PVP player
Why PVP reset got early?
I thought it should be reset in 2hr 40min instead of 10 min
ripe latch
How is Drake? Better than DR2, better than PR3, or just skin material?
@sour oasis trash,usable with rainbow
upper cove
this is pvp not gph
coarse hearth
Guys
How could my lvl108 Enty achive 40k dmg
While both of lvl120 Hood & Warspite only deal 10k dmg?
My bb have better enhancement gun & aux tho
Does CV more effective in pvp?
or it just enty too good for pvp?
midnight heron
cuz u luccsacc or enemy vg is trash
dull herald
Enty is good until some tier,but when u meet some high tier fleet you'll find ur enty hard to beat it.Moreover if you bring her in def fleet,warspite can easily sink her but it's pvp we're talking about,there's no undefeated enemies fleet and as long u're fine with it then okay
But normally bringing even one cv besides hiryuu is wrong in high tier fleet,and for me warkai can beat enty in damage.. maybe you set a wrong gear for warkai?
coarse hearth
Wait a sec, i wanna ask
All i knew that vg could bait BB salvo & avoid them
But, could VG done that too on TB & DB?
By baiting TB & DB to drop all of their ordnance on VG ? (might explain why my CV have easy time without VG)
or would TB & DB reload their ordnance midair & strike the backliner as well?
Btw, yeah, warspite always hit when my Enty invincibility cooldown and gimme hard time
naive dome
no, while vg is alive, CV only causes damage to backline with crash damage and the lucky Torp that missed VG
also, don't let enty tank warkai shot, the usual tanks for warkai are hiryuu, fdg and warkai mirror
coarse hearth
Oh god
I thought hiryu only tank well against burst dmg
I got it now
sour oasis
My opponents use Enty to tank Warspite very well. I need to change to a slower gun or switch up because 100% lucky E syncs to Divine+.
crude mortar
just use rainbow gun
ripe latch
elder crane
@coarse hearth also might want to look at BB aux
In PvP, you don't want shells
sour oasis
Ibuki is a good CA for PvP.
ripe latch
sour oasis
Torp meme all day every day.
ripe latch
u dont need ibuki if want trp team
elder crane
Esp offense, since RIP black torpaux on her
coarse hearth
U usually put beaver badge on backline
@upper sparrow
Wow
I never thought that,
Whe i think about it again, just realize it was nice idea to harness spd boost that way
Im use portland & roon btw
ripe latch
sour oasis
You don't need Ibuki, but she's always available and an alternative to Jintsu farming. And she's one of the only viable CA options to counter pvp meta.
Actually, wait, you would need Ibuki to torp-meme if you don't have any event locked ships. Out of the permanent pool, it's just Jintsu, Ayanami, Yukikaze, and Ibuki.
elder crane
Torpmemes without event locked stuff is.... mmmm
midnight heron
it lives up to its name... a meme
ripe latch
proper sorrel
proper sorrel
i sense deja vu
granite flame
upper sparrow
ripe latch
quartz scaffold
lusty phoenix
What is the best pvp vanguard? exclude azuma
hot creek
Noshiro/Juneau/Yukikaze
crude mortar
upper cove
And tbh noshiro isn't very far behind azuma
lusty phoenix
i just need noshiro now
upper cove
He might not have been around for the event
upper cove
LOL
coarse hearth
Guys
Should i use 2CA 1CL or 1CA 2CL?
my high vanguard currently are roon, prinz portland, helena, phoenix, leipzig
coarse hearth
I guess they could try polygamy thing on it.
Btw
What is generally prefered loadout on CA?
Or CA also us CL loadout in pin ?
shy hazel
truth to be told
none of those ships will help in vanguard
build jun
forever will be in vg meta
coarse hearth
CA not good in PVP?
Oh god, idk that
crude mortar
lusty phoenix
Did french backline became Meta in pvp?
coarse hearth
idk yet but full golden bagguette fleet really scared me backthen\
ripe latch
food meta
coarse hearth
Just realize PVP EN Tierlist spreadsheet have multiple page sheet in it
Never knew that, as i never get used with spreadsheet yet
And im shock to read it
It all start make sense now why backliner use beaverbadge, 15s hiryu too popular, why people say im stupid for not lvling my amagi & etc
Gph sound like general relativity of AL.
While pvp sound like quantum mechanic of AL
Both doesnt make sense to each other but still work thier own way in respective mechanic
elder crane
It's a difference in what the environment needs, but sometimes PvE has similarish situation to PvP, and then you can use a bit of the experience
E.g. when event map spams a ton of AP at your flagship, for a lower level flag, you should take rudder, just like you would in PvP
frail orbit
coarse hearth
Idk that PRudder also used on pve backline, and that really make sense now
Demn i glad i been here today
Btw, from that spread sheet
I saw juneau & yukikaze literally in every page it hurt when i realize i missed nagato
Im glad i got junuea dupe alot recent event with the yukikaze from wish well
But what lvl would they start to be viable in pvp btw?
ripe latch
110 vg 115 main
coarse hearth
Thank. Im glad vg dont need lvl 115 to be viable
karmic forum
Except you really should have your PvP fleet at 120 if you want to get anywhere
elder crane
Yes yes 5 s in proc'd jun heal is very useful when everyone else is still full HP
ripe latch
yuki juneau noshi ws kai amagi nagato
haloisted
4/6 ws kai skill double miss
my amagi miss B and shells
nagato get 4-8 misses from B
gritty cove
Mm yes a random loss because I wasn't looking again
sour oasis
Hiryu without Nagato? Is that worthwhile?
ripe latch
no 
elder crane
Yes
Hiryuu without Nagato can still MVP over non-457 Warkai
she's just a solid screw-you on offense to anyone not running Hiryuu themselves, basically
narrow obsidian
Do people use quad 610 for pvp ?
ripe latch
black trp + quad 610 , but rng if u see "miss" for all trp
narrow obsidian
I only have two black torps , I have Noshiro Ibuki and ykkz , who do I give them to ?
ripe latch
ibuki noshi
narrow obsidian
I have the rainbow 533mm Quintuple Homing Torpedo Mount too
narrow obsidian
ok 
ripe latch
ibuki black torp + boiler/pearl
noshi black torp + boiler/pearl
yuki boiler + fire
narrow obsidian
pearl over boiler ?
ripe latch
boiler > pearl , ibuki too slow
ripe latch
if not enough survive - ihr + pearl noshi , black trp + boiler ibuki , yuki default boiler + fire
worthy cave
I heard best PvP attack backline is FdG/Warspite/Amagi - but would Nagato not be better than atleast one of those if you are willing to restart to guarantee effect proc in very tough matchups? I guess my question is, if all barrages were set to proc at 100% rate, would Nagato still not be included in the best PvP attacking backline? (Especially if you have IJN vanguards?)
narrow obsidian
I'm using PVP also as a source of exp
I use Amagi War kai and some other ship that needs exp
crude mortar
haloist screaming intensify
hot creek
If Nagato had 100% proc rate, she'd be god tier unbalanced.
coral wren
she basically already does for people who quit until they roll everything right and win :P
sour oasis
I wanna see a Ranger get an Enty proc rate. See how much damage that would cause.
Most I've seen is 5 consecutive air strikes. (All but 2 were 100% stopped by opponent's Lucky E.)
Back when meta was Enty, Lusty, Eldredge.
elder crane
Wtf is recommending black torpaux on Ibuki lol
It doesn't work on her second preload smh
upper cove
just get lucky on the second preload pausechamp
elder crane
Nagato w 100% proc is broken af, yeah
Problem is, even resetting that is annoying since you have to wait for her to load
naive dome
nagato's purpose is to buff hiryuu so she can outlive enemy's VG/Hiryuu
rocky shadow
Why boiler over bulge?
storm jewel
this guy hurts
upper cove
It's torva 
dire stream
is it 
whole salmon
crude mortar
*identity change certification
dull ledge
can you evades crash dmg of planes? 
dull ledge
ah so perfect evasion only.. got it, thanks
hoary saddle
Is Juneau viable at lv 100?
sour oasis
Well, depends what team you fight.
Against high-meta teams at level 120, it's very niche. How good is the rest of your offense fleet?
naive dome
damn this is actually a false +1
sour oasis
Under 200 ranks. That's nowhere near +1 range.
shell heron
we getting into week 2 territory now
need to get very high ranks if someone move early
rocky shadow
Yep, need under 100 to get +1
cinder crater
Wait Torva is that you or not
topaz stag
Hi guys. Whatโs the BIS com for exercise now?
Is it still the nagato/fdg/amagi, azuma/ykkz/juneau
upper cove
well
you can replace nagato with warkai but basically ya
kind of the standard thing you see, besides hiryuu/noshi for people without fdg/azuma
cinder crater
Doesn't Richelieu warkai FdG work too
upper cove
I mean it probably does but idk if it's super meta rn
elder crane
Sounds like mostly worse version
Only reason to take Richi over Amagi is for her dmg output, but Warkai and FdG have that covered
Amagi's defensive kit is much better
Might have some use for defense vs torpmemes? Maybe you'll randomly delete their vanguard, for a better shot at winning.
cinder crater
I always use richy JB if I see a vanguard that's all light armor (usually torpmeme)
frail orbit
Tbh
If u wanna rely on her unreliable burn coefficient that's static
Go on
But my wife has better defensive shit
Okay, attacker got DR but hey
Shit comes on like, multiplied
Not additive
So u got moar n moar
Of DR from my wife
Whereas in a Fried Wakai
U have too much powerhouse already
But if u wanna meme 3 highest FP sans Champ (koz we know 1 MGM of her kinda derp on PVP) then go on
It's like what
Playing a straight flush, against a royal flush
cinder crater
No idea what either flush is
frail orbit
When u straight flush, u used that 3 highest FP
But when u used my wife
It's a royal flush
cinder crater
I've found Georgia to be actually quite good in PvP if you can kill enemy vanguard quickly
coral wren
Did somebody say yukikaze
cinder crater
If her barrage hits one target, she can take them down from nearly full health if all shells hit
coral wren
and if warspite hits in full, she nukes 
cinder crater
Is it normal for azuma to mvp
elder crane
Not unusual if their flt derps enough to not kill her and your flt derps enough on their dmg
lusty phoenix
JintsuuKai good in Pvp? still waiting for Noshiro event rerun
ripe latch
always good , use with juneau and yuki
lusty phoenix
how to counter Riche?
upper cove
richy doesn't even really need a counter
lusty phoenix
wait she is easy to beat?
upper cove
I mean preload is the only thing she's good for and if you can beat torp meme you can certainly beat richy
ripe latch
even with algerie can riche usable , but anyway not good
not 4k crits , but 2.5
stonks
lusty phoenix
Can i still Torp nuke enemy VG even if they have Alge?
ripe latch
yea , but carefully , if juneau on first post - may be troubles
elder crane
You probably win anyways since they're running algerie
Effectively they're already down half a ship 
If you're relying on torps to do more than just take out a vanguard though, might be an issue if their vanguard eats all torps and none hit main
Then again, that's nothing new for torpmemes
vague token
whiff city
elder crane
Pretty sure Richi just blows up vanguard by pure gun dmg
lusty phoenix
would you guys use helena in pvp?
elder crane
she's fine enough if you lean on her skill proc
just, you'll only have 1 chance at it, and she's very much at risk of occasionally dying before she even makes it to 20 s, lol
so basically half the time she actually does anything
crude mortar
why would anyone ever use helena in pvp?
lusty phoenix
i see some people with Riche+Helena combo
ebon kraken
could see backline yeets becoming more of a thing, but then there's hiryuu
Also @elder crane def fleet working as intended
crude jetty
can someone post the new pvp player thingy again?
I need to dl it haha
the one with monarch fdg hiryuu yuneau asuma yuki
crude mortar
made by me
you're welcome
if you wanna know the original of this meme
search pvp channel
ripe latch
proper sorrel
crude jetty
merci! โค๏ธ
sour oasis
Still not wrong.
elder crane
Not going for champagne gun in PR3?
plush lake
No, 410mm are good for her skill + it's ap so perfect against 
Her skill already let 1% of every CV
cinder crater
Champagne gun is better than triple 410 in every way though
elder crane
Does more dmg on insignificantly faster load timer
cinder crater
Better damage modifiers
elder crane
Okay, technically, when warkai decides to aim at vanguard, and actually hits, 410AP does more dmg vs light
But like, does that even matter lol
So yeah, basically strictly better
plush lake
alright farming intensifies
dull herald
Champy gun are your second choice for warkai if dont have rainbow
sterile bobcat
If I'm gonna run KGV+Warkai+1, who should be the +1 between Dork or Howe?
ripe latch
monarch
ripe latch
forbidden word, ban
4-5 can kill any bb ( not except monarch fdg tank amagi ws kai hood)
if get hit ofc
cinder crater
Probably Howe for PvP @sterile bobcat
Although I'm not too sure
Why does it need to be one of those 2 though
sterile bobcat
Well I don't have Centy/formi so I don't see much options for an HMS fleet backline
cinder crater
Monarch?
sterile bobcat
does Monarch off-flag work well? 
cinder crater
In PvP her barrage kinda only hits the ship directly in front of her
The outside parts don't reach far enough
sterile bobcat
I suppose I could run 2 HMS frontliners but idk who to swap between Sheffy+Juneau+Yukikaze
I'll try monarch then and see how it goes
cinder crater
At least when I play against enemy Monarch's, only one of my backliners are getting hit by the barrage
sterile bobcat
Also Monarch takes hoodgun and SGR+rudder in pvp right?
crude mortar
bleak osprey
elder crane
Vanguard it's easy since oxytorps
Main, it's doable w 2 457 and the right ships and z flag
In both cases though, the setup will be suboptimal
sour oasis
cinder crater
2 457s is suboptimal?
sour oasis
I'm picturing Warspite, Frederick, and Mikasa. One of those is going to be super awkward.
coral wren
I think its more the ship setup required to get the stats for the power #โs
elder crane
Z flag is suboptimal too
and yes, I don't think Amagi works for 16k, so, well
2 457 works for certain setups, which is why you'll see near-16k proper setups
well, if anyone on EN had 2 457 and dev30 FdG, that is
ebon kraken
Probably only one
cinder crater
I'm pretty sure you can hit 16k with just 2 457s and no z flag
ionic magnet
you can do 16k backline even with just one 457
did it with amagi fdg warkai
you can prolly replace amagi with someone else too
and its just using standard 2x SG aux with beaver/rudder
@gloomy lantern
gloomy lantern
Hmm interesting, so 16k is possible but not recommended. Definitely scary to see though
worthy cave
How good do you guys think Warkai/Monarch/Howe backline for PvP is?
hot creek
I'm too much of a deviant to be included in Blue's data sheets 
storm jewel
is Reppu better than VF17 in pvp?
and also Sea Hornet ~= Reppu due to same speed etc ?
naive dome
maybe it hits the rudder window?
sterile bobcat
If running KGV and Monarch together, who has higher priority for the flagship spot?
ripe latch
monarch
upper sparrow
Using kgv and monarch together 
dull herald
3 months people will have 2 rainbow? What?
lethal tapir
I see alot of people using Hiryuu in flag spot, is it just coincidence or is she better as flag?
Other than being tankyer i dont see why
naive dome
if it's in setup like amaryu war then sure why not?
frail orbit
Kind of trade off tho anyway
elder crane
It's probably overall better vs non-Hiryuu teams, esp on defense
though I'd rather run a Nagato setup on defense
zenith rover
whats jinustuu loadout
midnight heron
ninjutsu loadout
zenith rover
same thing
elder crane
Defensive loadout is standard stuff, pearl optionally and engines otherwise
offensive loadout is black torpaux and rainbow stick
you can run a hybrid two of half/half as well, if you want for some weird reason
storm jewel
i thought defensive load-out would be blacktorp loadout
ya know closer to their backline so those torp can hit easier
elder crane
defense you mean
I mean defensive, as in survivability
probably should've said it like that tbf
storm jewel
yeah defense fleet
sour oasis
It's really supposed to be exercise fleet, but it's now just memes and flex.
naive dome
if I don't have noshiro nor azuma, who should I put between juneau and ykkz?
storm jewel
if I don't have noshiro nor azuma, who should I put between juneau and ykkz?
@naive dome check the pin for "AzurLane pvp tier list", plenty of ships which could give u some ideas
midnight heron
seems legit guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5P90m5ai5w&ab_channel=Haloist
upper cove
0.4% chance of this happening by my estimates
I don't know if ykkz or warspite are oathed tho which would slightly change the chance
@midnight heron is your ykkz oathed and do you remember if warspite was?
upper cove
well if warspite was 200 aff
midnight heron
at most it increases like 6% of base eva
upper cove
it would take the chances of that happening from 0.44% to 0.48%
I just wanted exact numbers
still incredibly unlikely but not impossible
midnight heron
dats pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things 
but i get it
upper cove
your yuki would have like an 84% hit rate on that warspite
assuming rudder/SG
so the game decided to fuck you
if you had your ykkz at 200 aff it would take the chance of this happening down to 0.37%
poggies
midnight heron
fk da game
same thing happened yesterday btw but against nagatoot
just dat my video history recording decided to bug and didnt record for some reason
upper cove
the fact that you got it to happen again this quickly just so you could upload it this time
game really does hate you
midnight heron
naive dome
there's always the possibility of RNG being rigged by ๐ code
frail orbit
crude jetty
what is the champaign gun btw?
elder crane
Triple 406 AP
crude jetty
drops from chest or is it craft?
cinder crater
Research
storm nest
Can anybody help me with a Yuki PvP loadout?
elder crane
Pins has the standard
Hasn't changed in forever
If you run torpmemes, you can consider running oxytorp on her if you want
storm nest
Thank
next oxide
Noob here, need help with this line up, i feel like something is missing.
tranquil badge
a proper pvp fleet will nuke the shit out of Helena before her skill could proc, your fleet also is missing Nagato for your Akaga
you could also consider Juneau somewhere, her healing skill is very useful in pvp
next oxide
๐
midnight heron
liessss enemy helena never dies before her proc
tho im pretty sure helena proc doesnt sync with akaga so ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
next oxide
Even with sg skill time change?
quartz scaffold
Akaga strikes at 10 secs even with sgr which can proc at 16 secs
next oxide
I guess a little time adjust is in order.
quartz scaffold
I don't think it's possible to sync her. Even then it would be significantly slower planes which are unenhanced to sync them
If you replace her for Juneau you can just prolong their survivability and they can give more airstrikes
next oxide
I see, my juneau is chilling @ the dorm. Still not ready to pvp.
quartz scaffold
Also, almost all CA's aren't good since they have less modifiers than other hull types. Based on the pins:
CA - 15% dmg reduc
CL - 20% dmg reduc, 15% dmg dealt
DD - 25% dmg reduc, 5% eva rate
You're better off using other ships like Yukikaze or Noshiro. Just check the pvp tierlist for the recommended line up
upper cove
I mean 5% isn't enough to make up HP differences, which is why sanrui can still perform fine
most DDs and CLs really aren't fine, but you just happened to list 2 of the most tanky so
quartz scaffold
You can put her on the middle while she levels up as you use her on pvp. Put pearl's tears on other vanguard
Yeah. I just thought that there's hardly any CA's on the tierlist that's why I come up to that
next oxide
I have sanrui @ dev30 but mid-lvls.
quartz scaffold
Sure you can use Roon atm
next oxide
So i need nagato eh? Recommended ship to replace helena? Is cleveland a good alternative? Or sanrui?
quartz scaffold
Juneau
next oxide
Ok
next oxide
Ima noobs, that azuma dev30 is a dream w/in a dream.
midnight heron
or just go full speed dps fuel + beacon
crude mortar
just go dual cata and hope enemy had halosit's luck their aa doesn't work and their warspite couldn't land a shit
crude mortar
cinder crater
What are the modifiers for CBs
crude mortar
sour oasis
PvP is just a meme
ripe latch
@shy hazel haloisted
sour oasis
@ebon kraken Are you still rushing to 0/10 every refresh? You're getting wins and sleep?
ebon kraken
Its not hard, especially not in the past couple seasons 
Might halfbag next since everyone be jumping on the merit bandwagon tho
How are the real baggers doing?
vague dirge
If I want to run a torp meme team with Jintsuu, Naganami, and Yukikaze, what auxes should I equip and on who? What positioning should I use for them? I've got two of the magnetic torp auxes and enough oxytorps for all three if needed
hot creek
I'd pick another torp memer over yukikaze, like noshiro, aya or ibuki. Black dildo/Rainbow dildo and pearl on whoever is in the back.
vague dirge
I started playing a few months after Noshiro and haven't built Ibuki so Aya it is. What secondary aux would tank (Jintsuu) and mid (Naganami) want? Just boilers or go all in on double torps?
vague dirge
Oohh, didn't know about this graphic. I'll give it a try, thanks!
hot creek
if you havent trained up yukikaze yet though, i'd recommend her if you ever want to switch to a more serious comp down the line.
wind niche
why not use the nagato gun on both nagato and amagi?
sour oasis
@ebon kraken Oh just saw you were doing particularly well for a rusher, just wanted to know if you had fully committed (0/10) or were half-bagging it.
ebon kraken
Well there was that one point yesterday/couple days ago where i moved one and just fell asleep
naive dome
afaik sandy doesn't have full bagger, everyone is either halfbagging, rushing, or fullbagging with terrible RNG :V
zenith rover
what is bagging
hot creek
it means camping around in pvp and waiting for opponents to do their matches before attacking them for extra points
zenith rover
how u know they doing their matches
naive dome
relog and see if their rank moves up. Note that a sandbagger would attack only when they've reasonably deduced that their opponent is at least 35 score above
mint hornet
The 35points only applies after you have 1050 points or more(when you earn a base 10 pts a battle) rank is commander I think
Before then has different breakpoints but just attack when the left person on your list has a significantly higher rank than you
coarse hearth
Guys
Why amagi is meta in pvp ?
Does her skill effective in pvp more than pve ?
naive dome
because her buff and debuffs are very strong.
coral wren
Her buff/debuff skills
And her buffs go on top of what nagato gives, so torp memes for everyone
coarse hearth
I see
Idk when it become valuable for stat/skill based on %
coarse hearth
Wow
I thought 10% skill/stats effect is pretty low
coral wren
Not at all
coarse hearth
So anything that buff dmg & debuff above 10% is great ?
coral wren
The buffs also stack well on hiryuu, which is a major point of the fleet aswell
Uh
Not always? For amagi though it is a good thing
naive dome
she alone makes your backline about 20% tankier, effectively negating the penalty effect for defensive team if your opponent doesn't bring their own amagi.
coarse hearth
Oh god, 20% tankier really something i dont expect from her
But i missed nagato only, does warkai is the best subtitute into that formation?
naive dome
amagi hiryuu warkai? Yes it works, as long as your vanguard stall long enough
but yeah reset if your vg drops in the first 10s to torpmeme
coarse hearth
I see,
Does vanguard useless in dmaging pvp (other than sanrui azuma)?
I see def focus vg alot, like yukikaze & junuea comp
naive dome
vg damage is very dependent on RNG for their torp to hit. You see more stall vg because they're cheaper/more consistent than torp-focused vg
coarse hearth
That make sense now
I just realize that, even gunnery vg have hard time hitting fast enemy
coral wren
Beaver badge for life
coarse hearth
Guys
If debuff matter a lot in pvp
Why DoY & Helena rarely used ?
I thought they both could combo thier debuff and 20sec DoY skill would perfectly sync with Helena debuf timer
coral wren
Helena dies too quickly
coarse hearth
Demn, i forgot vg should focus stalling
coral wren
Duke just doesnt really fit in the meta, warspite overpowers it
coarse hearth
I see, just retro warspite today,
I shocked to see her 2 last node in her retrofit stage
Give me huge dmg diffrence, alot, thanks guys
elder crane
Dork 20 s barrage is also basically just slow utility
In PvP it targets corner main flt, so that's useless
The dmg it deals is minimal
On her main gun + debuff skill
- Main guns are very RNG in PvP due to no time slow effect and vanguard being able to usually dodge main gun shots
- The debuff only affects hit targets, which is worse in PvP than PvE since enemies are more spread out, so the debuff is less likely to be useful
- Her setup is just too slow to work that well in this meta, not without being tanky herself
hot creek
You can make her work a lot better with WS HMS targetting.
sterile bobcat
What would be a good offense focused vg other than standard torp meme, if there are any? I'm wondering if I can build something around Aurora
upper sparrow
Well aurora is used for old torp memes meta too if that what u mean
It should be on tier-list pin
sterile bobcat
right, I forgot to check there
So Aurora doesn't help a full-BB backline that much?
ripe latch
What would be a good offense focused vg other than standard torp meme, if there are any? I'm wondering if I can build something's around Aurora
@sterile bobcat what u mean about vg torp meme?
sterile bobcat
I was asking if there's any good offensive vg setups that don't include torp meme ships
ripe latch
yuki not torpmeme ship
ripe latch
jintsu sendai ayaya
jintsu juneau ayaya
crude mortar
who the f use ayaya over yuki
ripe latch
crude mortar
crude mortar
crude mortar
akaga
amen
crude mortar
I dont have problem vs fdg dev 30
at all
warspite is the problem
fdg is shit until your vg die
warspite isn't
ripe latch
no enough speed
crude mortar
fdg just shoot water
no
warkai ignore
vg
and shoot over their head
and hit backline
fdg just shoot water
ripe latch
frail orbit
Imagine using ๐ ฑ๏ธ word
hot creek
the meta, I can already feel it shifting.
blazing pewter
Shinano: Meta...? What is that?
past egret
Oh nice UR ship shinano
Incoming replacement for Hiryuu with 30 second invincibility
elder crane
the whales will have her MLB-able immediately
poor peasants will need another two months
past egret
How do you max this one?
elder crane
you need UR Bulins (mk III)
or dupes ofc
you get two UR bulins from event rewards, then 1 each month from a new monthly shop
Shinano btw works like PRs
is level uncapped right from the start, no LBs needed
but probably already has her increased oil cost from LBs baked in
elder crane
1.2% in gatcha, and a guaranteed one every 200 pulls?
not sure if just first 200 or every 200
she buffs DDs apparently
haven't heard any other news
tbh, imo
1.2% and guarantee at 200 pulls is actually better than just 2% rate
not too hard to have 200 pulls available for most major events
elder crane
btw
extra statement by devs that there will not be another UR for this year
wait, I lied, I do know more
apparently 3 skills total
and one of them apparently buffs DDs
Also the yamato gun is apparently coming?
at least new assets for it or something
past egret
I didnโt expect another DR but Washington general is saying Hayuruu (rip spelling of her name) is still the 6th PR ship and just unreleased
Donโt know how accurate that is
And nice, weโve had the Yamato gun leak for over a year now I wonder how true the original stats will be to the one they release
upper cove
buffing DDs isn't a waste
although maybe it is for pvp tbf
elder crane
Hard to say now
leak said that it was originally planned to be Haku, but a last-minute decision had her put into gatcha instead
with shinano confirming there's now UR in gatcha, that sounds not unlikely
alternatively, maybe they swerved again and made shinano gatcha instead of Haku
would be weird to have both URs be IJN CVs, lol
upper cove
well haku is the 6th pr ship, but ya as blue said they pulled her
so now there is no 6th pr3 ship and there never will be
elder crane
the question is, what's up w shinano now
if they make both of the first two URs be IJN CVs, that's a bit
hmmm
ripe latch
elder crane
9% chance you pull Shinano before 200 pulls
here's the question though
suppose you get everyone X pulls before 200
when would it be worth to just do those extra X pulls for a dupe
I suppose I'll have to see what's in the shop other than UR bulin
sour oasis
I'm still sore over Mikasa immediately follows by u47. That was 1000 cubes wasted on nothing.
