pvp

[upper cove]

You're ahead of me by far enough for bonus points

But I just refreshed the list

[true vale]

Weird, but okay

[upper cove]

Easier time sandbagging is never a bad thing

[true vale]

I rushed all my attempts this morning because I was pissed at missing an attempt

[upper cove]

It be like that sometimes

[true vale]

Woke up 8:55, my reset's at 9

[upper cove]

Oof

[true vale]

Got 4 fights in, the 5th apparently counted as past 9

[upper cove]

Even if I hate where I live I'm at least lucky enough be in the same time zone as server time

Which makes things easier

[true vale]

Pretty sure it was before 9, but apparently not

[upper cove]

Blame rng

[sour oasis]

🎲 ⚰

[ripe latch]

+1 today

[crude jetty]

Why is Nagato Hiryuu WS not in tierlist?

Is it so bad?

[alpine summit]

Probably fine, just fixing and matching the tier 1 backline is fine for offense

But dropping amagi is a pretty weird choice

With her evasion and fire control

[shell heron]

Why would you not run Amagi if you have her? But it doesn't sound bad

Something about it just feels off

I suppose I can test it and see how it stacks against standard main fleets

[upper cove]

I missed another pvp match

2 this season

guess I'll get AotN and go home

[crude jetty]

I dont have amagi, that is why!

[harsh moon]

I think I missed like 20 matches this season

[ripe latch]

cya on next

[crude mortar]

fothermucker

is this a trend or what

[ripe latch]

enjoy +10

on my server one ppl put 120 oath on def

first salvo - rip

[crude mortar]

+11 tho

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

[obsidian kite]

@crude mortar

Yes

It is

Im not done building the fleet yet but that's what i have lol

Don't mind Ayanami she's there until Jintsuu is ready

[ripe latch]

naka + sendai deal more dmg than that

[obsidian kite]

Doubt

[crude mortar]

[crude mortar]

notto disu shitto agen

[shell heron]

I already waited on this dude to move for a +2 for this long

worse case scenerio is a +1

[crude mortar]

fothermucker

STOP IT

[upper cove]

quit using triple CV against enty

[crude mortar]

bruh

MADAMADA

[upper cove]

sasuga helena

truly the cutest

[crude mortar]

6 proc in a row

70% chance

im in halosit cult now

*haloist

[shy hazel]

?

ur fault for using old ahit meta

[crude mortar]

[upper cove]

can the people on my server rush already

[crude mortar]

actually 7 in a row

not 6

70% proc in 7in a row

30% 30% 30% 30% 30% 30% 30%

0.02187% CHANCE???

I SHOULD'VE ROLL FGO GACHA

5 SSR ALREADY

[upper cove]

no it's

2.1%

and why is that 30 there

[crude mortar]

30% chance on first

next is 30% of 30% chance

its 30*0.3

isn't it

[upper cove]

or is that actually taking into account

the %

and putting it the 100

[crude mortar]

first 30%

oh

wait

[upper cove]

ya it takes the 100 into consideration

[crude mortar]

its 70 *0.7 *0.7

not 30 * 0.3

[upper cove]

[crude mortar]

no

its 30

[upper cove]

nice one on theat

[crude mortar]

30% chance to not proc

its correct

[upper cove]

did you

not proc

[crude mortar]

no

[upper cove]

7 times in a row?

[crude mortar]

their enty proc

7 in a row

the chance to proc

7 in a row

is 0.02%

[upper cove]

ok that's 70%^7

[crude mortar]

no

70% chance to proc

[upper cove]

yes

[crude mortar]

30% chjance to not proc

but he proc all of it

[upper cove]

and their enty proc'd 7 times

[crude mortar]

its 0.02% chance to proc 7 in the same time

[upper cove]

which means he rolled the 70%

7 times in a row

[crude mortar]

wait

[ionic magnet]

nice maths

[upper cove]

it's 8.2% btw

[crude mortar]

its 8% chance

ok

[upper cove]

[crude mortar]

[ionic magnet]

[upper cove]

you nerd

[shy hazel]

stop doing Calc

[ionic magnet]

now tell me whats the chance of a rusher not rushing at all

[crude mortar]

daga kotowaru

[ionic magnet]

[crude mortar]

[upper cove]

too damn high hooloo

[shy hazel]

ir u did enty in enty era

its not even

uncommon

to reset x15

[ionic magnet]

i think i messed up

[upper cove]

70% is high enough that procing every time isn't super unreasonable

[ionic magnet]

6 mins left and still got 5 fights

[upper cove]

[shy hazel]

only did pvp x3

for newbie Stuff

[upper cove]

I got 3x +1 but nobody kept going and 5 minutes left

fuck it

hope I can at least make up for missing the second fight this season

[empty grove]

Just don't let enty proc

Also I like this torp meme comp better with FDG

Has more pressure

[upper cove]

just

full assault

they can't stall if their dead

[ionic magnet]

jesus

12 secs left

made it

[upper cove]

[royal oyster]

last time I tried that I was about 4 seconds too late

[ionic magnet]

trump with his new names kek

last time I tried that I was about 4 seconds too late
i just got lucky on last match tbh

got a kms meme fleet

if its anything decent p sure ill be late

[upper cove]

can my rushers move

[crude mortar]

last time I wake up 4min until reset

I just continue sleep

[royal oyster]

if you try hard enough, the rushers on your list don't even get far enough to get you a bonus point

[upper cove]

you mean get lucky enough with sand bagging

[royal oyster]

my rightmost just rushed and now he's 32 points up rip

[crude mortar]

[deep glacier]

https://i.imgur.com/G7WrIDI.png

Should I deposit my hopes in the first two?

I feel like pressing the refresh button would be for the best

[karmic forum]

Kazuman rushes most of the time

Edwarzo sandbags sometimes but othertimes he pushes early

[deep glacier]

Thanks, I'll wait then

I already got my first bonus this reset

And it's not like I'm doing especially good this season

[karmic forum]

I only use refreshes when my list looks especially bad

[crude mortar]

refresh

your list is cursed already

[ionic magnet]

if you can make my list move once ill gladly rush the rest

[karmic forum]

You'd need an early rusher

And most of those can't give you enough points by now

[deep glacier]

your list is cursed already
@crude mortar Yep, I take seeing hooloovoo in my list as a bad omen

[crude mortar]

look me 9/10 and still rank 378

enjoying life of half beggar and healthy sleep

[deep glacier]

btw I thought Edawrzo was a full time sandbagger

[karmic forum]

He generally is

[deep glacier]

I always see him moving more or less at the same time as me

[karmic forum]

He usually ends up top 20 EoS

But he also pushes early randomly

Also tends to push earlier on the final reset

[deep glacier]

I guess I need to pay more attention

[karmic forum]

If you're on a good pace, you almost want to get sandbaggers at this point

Since they will always give you a bonus if you wait long enough

While rushers might sit on 5/10 or only use 1 or 2 charges

[deep glacier]

Well, I don't wait too much because I'm afraid of not finishing all my fights in time

[karmic forum]

Theres only a few sandbaggers that you should always avoid because they push too late to give you a bonus

Famine and Kamui for example wait till the last minute to finish their runs

And you also push too late to get a bonus most of the time

[sour oasis]

Hey, I didn't know keripo still played (and competitively)

[karmic forum]

I saw Keripo this season but I'm not sure if they're sandbagging

[sour oasis]

I'm sure they're dragging. I see them near the end of my rush.

[upper cove]

is it normal for rushers to just

stop existing

[karmic forum]

Anything is possible in Washington

[upper cove]

[crude mortar]

or maybe other server are normal but avrora is abnormal?

[upper cove]

nah washington is definitely uh

"dead"

[mild spruce]

Would the 406mm AP gun be of any use in PvP?

Or would you just stick with HE if it’s not 457mm

[ripe latch]

washi not dead, one sandbanger get fdg@dev30

[karmic forum]

This reset has been sorta dead for avrora as well

Not as many people rushing

[upper cove]

is it me niko pausechamp

[ripe latch]

[karmic forum]

All the rushers must have used their ticks last reset

[upper cove]

which really annoys me

[ripe latch]

free +20

[upper cove]

cause I lost a match this morning cause I forgot I was at 6/10

[ripe latch]

cya

[upper cove]

I'm not even terribly behind what I'm expected to be

[ripe latch]

[karmic forum]

I bet you can still make top 10 EoS if you keep sandbagging

[upper cove]

I'm seriously about to do the 5 fights for this reset without getting any extra points

[hot creek]

such is life

[shell heron]

I only got a +1 because I rushed my last 4 thinking I was gonna pass out

turns out I'm still awake

[crude mortar]

[empty grove]

I got a +1 off of Cay

[upper cove]

nobody on my lists have been moving for the past like 7 hours

[coral wren]

Wah

[inner quiver]

damn

[crude mortar]

SO THIS IS THE FEELING OF TORPMEME USER??

HAHAHAHAHA

who the f say ayanami is bad

look dem dmg

[upper cove]

[inner quiver]

damn that dmg tho

[coral wren]

[crude mortar]

[coral wren]

torp fleets seem fun

too bad they're annoying to go against

[glad mulch]

Ayanami isn't bad, just like glass cannon

[elder crane]

Meh, my Jint/Noshiro are critting for 10k+ already, and that's w Leip buffing them instead
No need for ayatrash

Sometimes the torpteam explodes shit, which is nice and all, but well

Then ofc they do this

Fricken missed like every torp and most barrages
Luckily, NamagiWS is a kek team and Hiryuu just shuts them down np

[ripe latch]

imagine , erika used old meme torps and see , how this corp still strong

[elder crane]

With black oxy setup, I think torpteams aren't so meme anymore
Still not all that strong though, doesn't really displace anything
Still too RNG to be any better than that for offense, and not really any better than they were before on defense

[ripe latch]

+10

[alpine summit]

i imagine peak torp meme is actually good for def

you arent winning on def anyway unless you rng it

and if you troll someone twice, you wasted at least a minute

which might be enough to troll famine

[ripe latch]

if u want troll someone - just rename nagato to haloist and put pearl

[tranquil badge]

my first 2 opponents for today were both 34 point differentials

mah +1

[hollow cove]

What are my options in place of juneau here?

[ripe latch]

jintsu on center

[whole terrace]

@hollow cove juneau is normally best-in-slot in that comp. Any reason u wanna swap her? Also do you have noshiro or Azuma?

you arent winning on def anyway unless you rng it
@alpine summit i really can't relate to this. I don't reset much anymore, but I'd say I still reset like 2 to 4 times a day (so out of 15), that's with namaspite

From a logical standpoint i don't think 20% dmg offense advantage is enough to never lose anyway, given equally strong teams

and how rng the pvp battles are

[hollow cove]

I don't have noshiro or azuma, just don't wanna stay with a suicidal strategy forever

[alpine summit]

wait a minute, im reseting 2-4 times a season

[whole terrace]

suicidal strategy
That's a dramatic way to describe juneau

[shell heron]

20% offense dmg buff is surely enough to push matches in your favor, but it still doesn't change how shitty main fleet accuracy is

Looking at you grandma and your snipe miss

[whole terrace]

Well let's see the potential advantages u have vs me
Full oath vs none
2 rainbow torps vs 2 gold quad mags
HPFCR vs none
dev 25+ azuma vs dev 20 azuma

Any others?

That's presumably why. The oaths are the main difference imo, honestly

[hollow cove]

So I keep making Juneau return by death until Ara Ara gets to dev 20?

[whole terrace]

Nope, you swap out Jintsuu
Of course, if you really don't wanna use juneau, just don't
Your team will be weaker for it, though

What you can try is ayanami for juneau, if you managed to get 2+ black torp sticks from the recent event. Unlikely worth it otherwise.

[ripe latch]

ayaya its 3-4 trp hit , why they still try using her?

and equip degen too , oxy + pearl , boiler + black torp , boiler + oxy

[whole terrace]

Just matched up with famine's comp, and my Azuma and juneau were deleted in the opening wave of torps. Not really a surprise because I've matched up with a couple of black torp comps before with similar outcomes. But it's interesting that I can use juneau lead on old torpmeme comps with no issues

At least the namaspite torpmeme ones

[hollow cove]

I didnt even get one black top I missed that event ):

[obsidian kite]

I just need to lvl my Nagato

[hollow cove]

Damn the black torpedo is nice

Sad I missed it

I wanted 3

[obsidian kite]

You only need 2 if for pvp

PvE idk

[deep glacier]

I was reading a LN when I turned off my alarm while thinking "I'll do my fights after I finish reading this paragraph"

And 3 minutes before the end of the reset I was still at 8/10

idkw but I always screw up during the second week

[upper cove]

should I refresh now since the people on my list aren't moving

and hope I get someone who moves

I haven't been getting people who move for the past like 3 days

[royal oyster]

depending on which server you're on, half the people are probably asleep during this reset

[upper cove]

washington

[ripe latch]

they moving on 10/15 only

[deep glacier]

If someone sees me on their list

I can do some fights to give a bonus

just say the word

[ripe latch]

make sandbang note

and w8 when they move up on list

[whole terrace]

@empty grove mind changing your fdg to hiryuu for a little bit?

[empty grove]

@whole terrace Done

[whole terrace]

ty

[fading olive]

Do I need to lvl anti-air mode for Juneau?

[upper cove]

probably not
but it's a blue skill so it's basically free so why not

[vague token]

you might as well do it

it's a blue so you probably have a billion of those

[sour oasis]

I'm down to 3/10 and see Hoo on my list (far right)... This a good spot to wait, or should I push on?

[whole terrace]

why wait?
actually why are u pushing in the first place, do u need to sleep

[ripe latch]

healthy sleep

[whole terrace]

Also is there something i dont know about the teams refreshing? Because famine's team still hasn't changed

u definitely changed it, right famine?

wait what it just changed

[lament lichen]

It just takes time as pvp teams dont update right away

[sour oasis]

'Wait' because I forget how much Hoo moves just before refresh. If they burn through five tickets, they are guaranteed food for me when I get back three hours after refresh.

Yes, sleep 🤤

[empty grove]

It takes awhile to change

Idk the exact time

[ionic magnet]

i just move depending on my mood

@sour oasis there done moving

[crude mortar]

isn't it 15 min?

[deep glacier]

Then yesterday wasn't my day

hooloovoo didn't move until after I did all my exercises

inb4 he did it on purpose because he knew he was in my list

[whole terrace]

Alright you can change hiryuu back to fdg when you like. I’m kinda tired and went overboard testing, so i’ll share what i found tomorrow

[ionic magnet]

inb4 he did it on purpose because he knew he was in my list
you can blame my ded list for that

im not moving if they dont move

[empty grove]

+0 this set

[deep glacier]

It would have been a waste anyways

considering what happened this morning

[midnight heron]

idk if dis game is just full of shit or the advice i see here is full of shit but i just fought some tanky ass ykkz and it has rudder equipped

👏

tanked an entire naga barrage and barely took 50% hp dmg while staying in the middle the whole time

or just evades almost the entire barrage outright without rudder proc

[karmic forum]

Maybe your Nagato is blind

[midnight heron]

yea bs

[ionic magnet]

questioning rng is a losing battle

[crude mortar]

hes haloist

wdym questioning rng

[empty grove]

Get your Nagato to borrow WS's glasses

[crude mortar]

haloist is luckiest azur lane player in the universe

[empty grove]

[ionic magnet]

rudder ykkz

[empty grove]

[sour oasis]

(I should have not checked this right now )
Thanks @ionic magnet

[crude mortar]

31s cd

what is this monstrosity

[proper sorrel]

it doesn't even look good in this picture

[harsh moon]

Lock-on instead of bracketing

[quartz scaffold]

It's the base cd

[crude mortar]

where the f is my rainbow helldriver

[quartz scaffold]

Though it's still pretty long

[frail orbit]

P much

Only Wakai w/ HPFCR could wield it in a way

Basically makes it quite on the safe timing against PR rudder timing proc even w/ HPFCR ironically

The other being fellow rainbows

Perhaps
Just wait for Yamusashi

Also
Expect for a gold T0 Heccdabber smhw if it's the event of Musashi/Yamato sinking

And expect another Essex to own it, perhaps this time Essex herself keks

[crude mortar]

[crude mortar]

hope its farmable

[quartz scaffold]

My list doesn't change until I attack someone right

[mint hornet]

Yea, or if you refresh it

[quartz scaffold]

[mint hornet]

Technically also changes when the season ends/new one begins. Pairing you with whoever else logged in at the same time

[karmic forum]

What if your entire list gets a name change?

Mass-confusion strats

[mint hornet]

didn't someone here name their ships after hooloo, famine etc?

[karmic forum]

Yup but I forgot who

I've changed my name 3 times so far I wouldn't be surprised if someone had me on their list and was confused when my named changed.

[leaden jay]

Is Naganami top tier for PvP or is it just a meme

[proper sorrel]

torp meme is torp meme

[karmic forum]

Not top tier but good enough to not be a meme

[leaden jay]

[proper sorrel]

who even went in the middle before naganami

[karmic forum]

Ykkz

[leaden jay]

Just the usual IJN botes I'm guessing

[karmic forum]

Or Aya

Or Ibuki

[proper sorrel]

noshy aya buki?

[karmic forum]

Noshiro Ibuki Jintsuu probably

Some combination of Noshiro Ibuki Jintsuu and Ykkz

Were the most popular torp memes prior to new torp aux

[crude mortar]

super duper missile

[upper cove]

that pic of 457 vs 460 is so meme

cause we don't know anything of 460 other than that super old leak

so almost all of those stats would be different

[somber axle]

8 fights left, maintenance tonight. 🤔

[upper cove]

I missed 2 more fights last reset cause I was visiting family

bring small brain

guess I'll just rush the rest of the season

[karmic forum]

I was wondering where the 460 image came from

[upper cove]

team emblem or rudder for hiryuu

[karmic forum]

What backline are you using?

[upper cove]

I'm making a namaryuu defence fleet

[karmic forum]

Use rudder on hiryuu and beaver on nagato

If its strictly for defense then I'd go Rudder+VH armor

[upper cove]

oh then what does amagi get

[karmic forum]

Rudder + SG or Rudder + HPFCR

You could also do rudder + beaver I guess

[upper cove]

and why badge on nagato specifically

[frail orbit]

Oh keks
Wanna said Rudder VH but got said by roomy keks

Personally for my wife I preferred Rudder HPFCR tbh

For fast timing

Badge on Nugget
Koz she's flag

Less chance of being enemy Wakai focus target early on

[upper cove]

basically the 5 eva difference?

[karmic forum]

I'm used to putting beaver on nagato because its a suboptimal equip to use on non-flag for offense

Rudder + Beaver is probably better on amagi on defense

[frail orbit]

P much

But if u on attack role

[karmic forum]

But you lose more from not having the hit from SG or HPFCR on offense

[frail orbit]

Better rudder + HPFCR

SG better be on someone

Unless u have 457 Wakai
But u explicitly said to use Namaryu

[karmic forum]

SG is a nice middle ground since it still offers defense and your amagi will hit more often

[upper cove]

I have nagato with SG/beaver and amagi with rudder/SG
is this good enough for stall tactics

[frail orbit]

Fot def fleet, sure

[karmic forum]

Use rudders on all your backline

[upper cove]

I still need to use amagi for offense at the same time

[frail orbit]

But for attack fleet
20% DR on attacker is there for a reason

[karmic forum]

They're good for stalling people who don't play around the 20s proc and they're a good defense item anyways

[frail orbit]

Lul fok these 20s RNG of rudder proc smhw

[karmic forum]

Rudder + SG is a good balance for offense and defense

[frail orbit]

Anyway how tf Howe went in a PVP fleet?

[karmic forum]

Howe comps are still pretty untested in EN

[frail orbit]

P much
So kinda doubt she'll do better than any of our current shit tbh

Either that she's nice
Or she's conditional enuff to not be used regularly

[upper cove]

well rushing worked https://puu.sh/Gmcft/736568cb3c.png

not that I'm holding that but kinda funny

[karmic forum]

You at 0/10?

[upper cove]

ye

I've missed 4 fights now this season

so I'm just rushing the rest of the season

[karmic forum]

fwiw if you didn't miss those 4 fights then you'd be on pretty good pace for r1 EoS

[upper cove]

ye I was getting some really good sandbags

but just messed up

I'll try for EoS rank next season

[ripe latch]

choose food again

[upper cove]

if washington boys see me on your list just tell and I can rush

[ripe latch]

no , that no interesting

w8 food on top list

[somber axle]

I will be food

I just burned most of my rolls

[ripe latch]

[karmic forum]

So many rushers here in washington, if only there were sandbaggers to take advantage of this

[somber axle]

7th now

1/10 not using the last one since I'd get +9.

😡

[karmic forum]

Real rushers would eat the +9 with pride

[somber axle]

What am I rushing for here?

Can't even get fleet admiral lol.

[upper cove]

I'll be back to sandbagging next season anyways

[midnight heron]

rushing to use all ur charges ofc

[crude mortar]

@shy hazel

yeah whos that

[shy hazel]

u want to see?

hooloo will get hurt

[proper sorrel]

yes

[shy hazel]

[alpine summit]

do you have no percy

or does hooloo

[crude mortar]

I thought hoo is june

[shy hazel]

oathed jun for hooloo

he keep bugging me

to oath jun

so i oathed jun

for him

[alpine summit]

did you get her to 200

[shy hazel]

ofc not

its just a meme

[alpine summit]

im now in the process of getting hiryuu to 200, while she is already level 120

@_@

[sacred heath]

brief rant: i am so. fkn. sick. of namaspite. there's no variety. no originality. just a new bunch of chucklefucks each day with their 120 namaspites. GOOD FOR YOU, YOU HAVE THE "GOOD" TEAM.

every fkn opponent is namaspite with yuki juneau azuma

[karmic forum]

Is this a copypasta?

[sacred heath]

it is now i guess

[shell heron]

[sacred heath]

oh wait: this one has noshiro instead of azuma. variety!

[upper cove]

I don't use namaspite

cause I use fdg

pausechamp

[sacred heath]

i'm fine with fdg. at least it's different.

[frail orbit]

Imagine blaming Namaspite

[sacred heath]

i'm blaming namaspite for boring me to tears

[frail orbit]

Laugh in FDG Amagi Wakai

[crude mortar]

SHINE

[sacred heath]

don't misinterpret me. it's not that i'm mad i can't beat namaspite. i'm just sick of seeing it.

[frail orbit]

Yer too new boi

[shell heron]

warkai on def isn't too big of a threat. Imagine expecting variety when these ships are still too good

[shell heron]

[frail orbit]

Also imagine using Nugget on attacker when u basically went like what

[upper cove]

intrepid t0

[frail orbit]

Multiple RNG just for her barrage

To even proc

[upper cove]

and ya warspite isn't super huge on defense I feel

[frail orbit]

Obviously

[upper cove]

which is why I made my defense namaryuu

for extra stalling

[frail orbit]

Keks

[shell heron]

the goal of a def fleet is not to win, it's to stall them past one minute of fighting

[frail orbit]

Just Nugget being so derp on Def keks

[crude mortar]

im doing fine vs everything without warspite

[sacred heath]

the goal of a def fleet is memery. change my mind.

[fierce field]

just use Izumo to counter Warkai

[frail orbit]

Oh not this GPH thing again pls

[upper cove]

255 why are you in the pvp channel

are you an esports player too

[crude mortar]

what esport

[frail orbit]

Thats gph joke

👌

[upper cove]

ex and pvp are esports

[frail orbit]

[upper cove]

wym doubt

[frail orbit]

When all ur shit are basically resets

Aint esport tbh

[fierce field]

does this count as esport

[frail orbit]

CM true esport

Thx very much

[upper cove]

taihou isn't esports but the rest is

[frail orbit]

Ehh

Hoe esport if u wanna bring that

831

For fooken crash meme

Ask Kiro

[fierce field]

[upper cove]

wait is barracuda not crash meme anymore

[frail orbit]

@vague token yer alive

[fierce field]

I don't bother doing that anymore
timing 3 CVs is so meme

[frail orbit]

Or nope?

LMAO

[karmic forum]

Don't CV comps use cudas?

[frail orbit]

Also kanzaki so boomer keks

[crude mortar]

TRIPLE CUDA

[frail orbit]

Don't CV comps use cudas?
@karmic forum unless thy name is Hiryuu on Namaryuu

[crude mortar]

need +13

rainbow helldriver

[frail orbit]

@crude mortar not yet on ur 120 Namagi?

[crude mortar]

115

[frail orbit]

Meh

[upper cove]

apparently purple equips will be only +11

[crude mortar]

nagato just hit 120 yesterday

[upper cove]

helldivers will still do the most surface damage even at +11

but if BTDs get more crash damage from the 2 extra levels

[crude mortar]

I saw gold +13

[upper cove]

they'll be better I'd say

[crude mortar]

isn't it

[frail orbit]

Expect T0 gold Heccdabbers lel

[upper cove]

helldivers aren't gold

[frail orbit]

I meant

Wait

[karmic forum]

There will be an argument for using gold bombers in PvP because they're faster

[frail orbit]

For Musashi's sinking

Since VB-15 of Essex would be here, I bet ya

[upper cove]

the upgrades past +10 don't effect reload of weapons

only damage

[frail orbit]

We got VF-17 of Bunker and VT-18 and Intrepid already

[fierce field]

nowadays I ran these kind of fleet on offense

[upper cove]

at least how it's currently setup

[frail orbit]

I see yer now ouiaboo as well 255

[karmic forum]

Gold bombers were always faster but most people still ran helldivers because the damage difference was too much

[crude mortar]

this is not esport

[fierce field]

reset and you get esport

[karmic forum]

Now that they're buffing damage it's a discussion worth having again

[upper cove]

after +13, the only gold dive bomber that gets close to helldiver

is BTD

everything else is still trash

[fierce field]

imagine not nuking Azuma in the 1st salvo

[crude mortar]

+13 🅱️ arracuda

[frail orbit]

As I said
Just wait for T0 Gold Heccdabber

I meant

[karmic forum]

People ran btd over helldivers in Akaga meta because you wanted to launch faster for example

[crude mortar]

+13 GOLD CATAPULT!!!111

[frail orbit]

From historical reasons

[crude mortar]

+13HOMING BEACON

+13FUEL

[frail orbit]

[crude mortar]

MORE AVIATION

[frail orbit]

Like what

[crude mortar]

MORE PLANE 🅱️ ARRAGE DAMAGE

[upper cove]

which has more crash tho
helldivers or BTD

[frail orbit]

Even the other T0 gold from US is like what

[crude mortar]

wiping whole fleet with one air strike

[frail orbit]

Used to be T3 purple

[karmic forum]

Someone wiki that

[frail orbit]

Eg. Corsair and Avenger

See my point?

Am not memeing a single shit of that

[upper cove]

BTD actually has more crash damage

with +13 I think BTD would unironically just be straight up better than helldivers

[frail orbit]

Yeah

[upper cove]

it's not a huge speed increase but equal damage and more crash

[frail orbit]

But still

Better wait for T0 heccdabber

[upper cove]

wait for the wyvern

[frail orbit]

And expect that to be alongside 460 triple

I meant

VB-15 of Essex

Did happen to sink Musashi smhw

[midnight heron]

pfft wat r these small planes

my carriers launch a380

talk about crash dmg

[frail orbit]

Just Cuda if u wanna crash dmg smhw

Also bombercuda pls

Not a heccdabber pleb pls, so meh

[upper cove]

gotta squeeze that crash damage

wait guys

fairey barracuda

the dive bomber

has same crash as TB barracuda

super crash meme time? pausechamp ?

[frail orbit]

Been there keks

U are too late

[vague token]

someone say crash memes

[frail orbit]

Been there for my FC pls

LMAO

Someone said Taihoe not esport keks

Show em Kiro

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/d805a541d7af8c542b052e735c44c4b4

na

[frail orbit]

[vague token]

formi/hiryuu

[frail orbit]

Lul yer switching to Hiryuu keks

Not doing HFC now?

[vague token]

rich/formi/hiryuu

[frail orbit]

Considering CVL demerit less than CV lel

[vague token]

too much front loaded damage

hiryuu is necessary to stop ws from nuking you

xD

[frail orbit]

U wanna make some spread w/ the damage?

But yeah

Hiryuu on Wakai focus

She'd still be the last woman standing keks

[upper cove]

honestly I use fdg as my warkai tank

just slap SG/rudder on her and she has so much hp/heavy armor that she kinda just beasts through it

[ripe latch]

fdg tank - +10

[upper cove]

not +11

[ripe latch]

+12 if sandbang

[upper cove]

I can't get +12 on this server

my list never moves

[ripe latch]

dead server

[blazing scroll]

Always has been

[ripe latch]

[whole terrace]

Alright finally here’s my thoughts on the black torp teams after finding famine’s team
Namaryuu variant is stronger than Namagi FDG variant, on defence (Namaryuu nosh jun yuki went 9-1 against Namagi FDG, and 7-3 against Namaryuu)
Namaspite struggles more than Namaryuu on offence against this comp (6-4 vs 8-2, same vg)
Noshiro jun yuki is stronger than Azuma jun yuki against this comp, but not by much (7-3 vs 5-5, Namaryuu backline. My Azuma is dev 20)
Yukikaze is still an excellent vanguard staller. (see videos)

Most impactful counters are, listed in order:
1. to put jun in the middle and put a bulge on her. Bulges on other vg’s makes little to no difference in win rate.
2. to run Namaryuu
3. to run Nosh jun yuki or Nosh jun Azuma (gotta be dev 25+ to be worth it)

Videos of last three fights:
https://streamable.com/6pfgsh Namaryuu nosh jun yuki vs Namagi FDG: 9-1 overall
https://streamable.com/5fes8q Namaspite Azuma jun yuki vs Namagi FDG: 6-4 overall
https://streamable.com/piuj7c Namaryuu nosh jun yuki vs Namaryuu: 7-3 overall

[ripe latch]

1 boiler and gyro on vg
free food for trp team

[whole terrace]

Not at all if you have bulge on juneau

[ripe latch]

juneau survive and die last on vg

[whole terrace]

sometimes

[ripe latch]

always

[whole terrace]

usually yukikaze stalls the vg fight

in the second video my yukikaze dies last in my vg every time

[ripe latch]

stonks

[crude mortar]

its up

[whole terrace]

lmao that was a very selective screenshot

[whole terrace]

same battle

[crude mortar]

damedane

whos this

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

ngato side?

I mean bottom?

[ripe latch]

someone miss skin

[crude mortar]

nagato bottom?

not mid?

[ripe latch]

center

[crude mortar]

[whole terrace]

nah amagi was on the bottom, she died to warkai snipe

[ripe latch]

welp w8 when degens come to top

[whole terrace]

~~I swear new amagi skin makes her stay up for a second longer after dying ~~

[crude mortar]

im so sure naganami skin gonna sell alot

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

skunk meme is real

[whole terrace]

🤢

[frail orbit]

Keks Suisai's skunk smhw being there lel

Also @empty grove u not putting FDG Amagi Hiryuu + putting up a torpmeme? Thats so not Famine that I kinda know tbh

[ripe latch]

fdg amagi ws kai to blow up this suicide vg with azuma tank

[whole terrace]

Well Namaspite does fairly badly against the Namaryuu black torp team because it has much lower vg pressure than Namaryuu, and it doesn't have Hiryuu to counter the frontloaded damage
I'd expect ws amagi fdg to have the same issues
Vysaga said the CN testers got 60% win rate with Namaspite vs Namaryuu + black torps iirc, which is pretty awful for them, but believable

[ionic magnet]

eh i tested namaspite vs that exact same famine comp

mostly got 70-80% winrate on varying VGs

[whole terrace]

was it namagi fdg though?

[ionic magnet]

it was namaryuu

azuma tank (rudder+bulge) noshiro mid (pearl+boiler) jun rear (2x boiler) worked best so far

tho i messed up and didnt get to test the usual ykkz jun + X VGs

i will test namaryuu on offense next time

but its safe to say that namaspite is not bad at all vs that torp meme

[whole terrace]

ah that's better than i'd expect
that's an interesting vg setup, sounds good
70% using a vg that specifically counters it is pretty bad tho

[ionic magnet]

is it really a counter if the only thing that is different is torp bulge on azuma

[whole terrace]

and azuma noshi jun

[ionic magnet]

its not like it suddenly cant handle other meta defense

yea i thought of that before too

but no its not a problem at all

[whole terrace]

jun rear with noshiro mid and carrying pearl will be worse against other teams. Juneau's gonna live long

[ionic magnet]

no cos if youre not against torp memes

you put jun lead

it seems like more ppl are making torp memes too

[whole terrace]

i'm not a big fan of that setup, doesn't sound like it can stall the vg fight well against torp memes. And vg is fairly slow against regular teams, loses the backline dmg red and heal. If it works for you, fair enough.
Don't think it would work well for a f2p pleb like me though will try it once i get dev 25 azuma

Most of the torp memes popping up aren't using 2 black torps atm

[ionic magnet]

well if your azuma is not atleat d25 then yea you'd prolly get a different result

[whole terrace]

Do u think it would work better than yukikaze there?

[ionic magnet]

not sure tbh

cos who would you drop?

[whole terrace]

Azuma for yuki

[ionic magnet]

need to try it first ig

cos ive seen ykkz get instakilled by torpmemes

its rare but idk if its better than just making azuma tank

[empty grove]

That torp meme comp is overrated

[whole terrace]

Trading azuma for yuki is trading a better frontal tank and higer damage for less chance of a backliner disappearing early, a better 'staller' and a faster vg

Idk which is better

The torp comp is strong enough for most people to need some sort of counter

[empty grove]

FDG/Amagi/Hiryuu huh

[ripe latch]

any trp comp is overrated

[empty grove]

Might be worth adding onto the meme

[ripe latch]

budget trp

[empty grove]

Tell me if you get my comp & i'll play around with amagi positioning

[ripe latch]

he die here

usless vg

4 trp - rip d'arc

[sour oasis]

None of the collab skins made it back ||I wouldn't have been able to buy them anyway||

[crude mortar]

@ripe latch what server are you on?

[ripe latch]

washi

[crude mortar]

[ripe latch]

[empty grove]

Shit

I think I lost a +1 on a test

[shell heron]

[empty grove]

Nice, closed in time

[ripe latch]

saved

[ripe latch]

stonks

[cinder crater]

What's the best fleet without juneau

Because I absolutely do not want to raise a blue ship that's useless outside pvp

[ripe latch]

jintsu sendai yuki

bec our meta its torps

[cinder crater]

what about noshiro azuma yuki

is that any good

[ripe latch]

good , what dev lvl azuma?

[cinder crater]

only 22 right now 😦

[crude mortar]

I once thinking about not raising jun

then I realize just using jun ez game

[shell heron]

Juneau dies for our wins

[crude mortar]

she dies for our sins

[buoyant parrot]

5 more Lv I'm done with the new Torp Meme

oh and 2 more Skill Lv

[iron knoll]

could be good a rework of pvp

[crude mortar]

rework pvp?

just increase max ticket to 15 and its all good

[alpine summit]

15 would be awful

you could get a group of 4 people who are rushers that went to 0/15

and that go for healthy sleep

[royal oyster]

or you could get people who will go to 0/15

[alpine summit]

change it down to 5 and force everyone to rush

[buoyant parrot]

you know what will revolutionize PvP? REMOVE reset

[coral wren]

have a leaderboard for total pvp points a guild has

at the end of the season give the top 3 guilds gems

[shell heron]

Good list

2 known sandbaggers and one prob not moving early

[crude mortar]

remove reset

and defense damage reduction

and increase ticket to 15!!!!11

[royal oyster]

let us manual?

[crude mortar]

no

[alpine finch]

torp fiesta

fuck yea bud

[karmic forum]

Sumire moves early enough but I guess you'd rather fish for +2s

Shiburin also tends to move earlier this season

[alpine summit]

why not just refresh it

[buoyant parrot]

welp gotta rush before sleep~

enjoy the movement

[shell heron]

I prefer to fish for an earlier +1

[karmic forum]

I would probably refresh that

But not when I'm ahead

[shell heron]

right, being ahead

[alpine summit]

as long as you refresh the list before the new 5 ticks, you are guaranteed to get people who have at least 5 ticks

[shell heron]

season has been pretty shit this time around

[karmic forum]

The problem is that fewer people will move right now since a lot of them are sitting on 0/10

[shell heron]

My few resets of rushing wasn't that bad, but the first 4 days were not that great

[karmic forum]

And they only use 2 or 3 charges

And you get screwed because you were hoping they would use all 5

Not worth losing sleep over pre-gensui period anyways

[coral wren]

If I attack a guy who's 19 points under me will I get a +9 or negative points?

[true vale]

Dear Diary: Today I saw Taihou in a top 100 fleet that wasn't really trying to be a meme

[karmic forum]

You'd get +9

[true vale]

Got +10 actually. Made it back to 1 after rushing this one for the sole purpose of getting some h e a l t h y s l e e p

[ripe latch]

diary today: only namaryuu on top

[true vale]

So annoying.

I swear to god Hiryuu is the only shipgirl that deserves to be punched straight in the face.

[ripe latch]

no. she only one girl , who can save shikkan from defeat

[blazing scroll]

Who cares about hiryuu when you have USS air superiority

[upper cove]

I'm at 2/10 with rushing and I can't go anymore without getting +9s already

[royal oyster]

wait until you attempt the 'camp in aotn' strat so you get +9 on every attempt until you're eventually yeeted

[elder crane]

The trick is to stagger w other ppl to block out the casuals

[upper cove]

Nah I'll just wait like 8 hours until someone on my list gives me like a +12 or something

[ripe latch]

[obsidian kite]

Wait so do you use all 10 when you get them? Is it bad to be 0/10? I'm confused

[upper cove]

if you use all 10 you're just being a rusher

I'm doing that cause I missed 4 attacks this season so I can't really get a good EoS rank

[sour oasis]

EoS

[shell heron]

wait a second

one of you is Rumia here

I know it

you forced me to reset

[mint hornet]

roomier is, i think

[empty grove]

This season sucks

Change my mind

[upper cove]

you rite

[shell heron]

I don't disagree

Hiryuu made me reset 3 times this reset

[empty grove]

[upper cove]

[shell heron]

[empty grove]

Lmao

[upper cove]

[empty grove]

I see that skunk on hooloo

[shell heron]

bruh, I'm 10 behind you guys

how did the season go so wrong

[obsidian kite]

Skunk

[empty grove]

I've lost like

5 +1s so far

[upper cove]

I'm like 16 points behind those guys but 2/10

[empty grove]

All 3 of those guys are mega nerds & should be ashamed of themselves

Tsk tsk

[upper cove]

are you mad cause you had to reset on them

[empty grove]

Yes

[deep glacier]

2019 points after losing 1 ticket

bye bye eos top 20

I'll rush on friday

[elder crane]

lol +1 match missed
for a total of, what, 8 or 9 now this season?

[rocky shadow]

This fleet is annoying

And seems juneau use bulge because her cant one hit with ibuki

[hot creek]

theres a reason its called torp meme

[rocky shadow]

Well i cant one hit juneau tho

[upper cove]

I mean

noshiro+bulge

50% torp reduction

what did you expect

[sterile bluff]

it would seem that modernization is a big upgrade

[upper cove]

did you think it wouldn't?

[coral wren]

What's the purpose of SG radar on Amagi and Nagato?

[upper cove]

acc+eva

good mix of offense and defense

[sterile bluff]

i mean ngl she was preeeeety lackluster b4 modernization

[upper cove]

so was sandy and look where she ended up

[karmic forum]

@shell heron Did you get a +1?

[shell heron]

you were my 2nd last match so no

but your hiryuu did tank my warspite for 2 matches I gave up

was running out of time

[karmic forum]

I'm glad my defense works at least

[shell heron]

I wonder if my def fleet annoyed people

[karmic forum]

Although I'm mainly targetting torpmeme users

[upper cove]

I mean you could always just go
warspite first barrage miss > insta reset

save yourself 30s to see the rest of the battle that might not even go well

[obsidian kite]

Just send torps to the backline they'll die fast ez

[naive dome]

noshiro is pretty much superior to jintsuu in every aspect, right?

[obsidian kite]

I think she's better at living than Jintsuu, but Jintsuu does more torp damage

Either way those two together is lot's of torp damage cus synergy

That plus Naganami's buff, and Nagato's buff