pvp

[ripe latch]

if vg not have dmg they comp cannot win

[zenith tundra]

i don't have sheffield leveled

[ripe latch]

any eagle cl ca?

[zenith tundra]

idk if jintsuu would make much of a difference

outside of portland non should be used in pvp tbh

guess it's time to test portland

[ripe latch]

cleve

or hela kai, with ihr boiler can survive , but 0 dmg from her

[zenith tundra]

would be but not level 105

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

that's one reason i don't like testing random comps like this. i don't have ships leveled

[ripe latch]

tested hel kai with ihr radar / ihr boiler, so 2s better, but dmg too low

[zenith tundra]

so far is going worse with portland 0-2

0-4.. don't think belfast was the problem

maybe this comp actually needs helena rng to win.

for now i think it's better left out

[ripe latch]

replace yuki and left bel?

[upper sparrow]

Special Tierlist pvp for Amagi server

[ionic magnet]

rip wasd

[zenith tundra]

idk it just not worth investing in it for pvp and pve

if at least it would work for pve

[ionic magnet]

yea numbers dont lie so

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze, sirius, helena, aurora, ayanami, juneau, belfast, sheffield light
hood, doy, ws, washy?, qe heavy
centaur, enty, essex?, taihou?? special
bunnies, akaga, jintsuu, portland drops
monarch, neptune, saint louis, ibuki pr1
south dakota?, eldridge?? shop
so back to this. i guess essex should also not be considered tbh

@vague token how is essex?

[upper sparrow]

Essex is decent for encounter akaga comp tho

But i think it needed baltimore for min-max av stat and AA

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu is an akaga counter too and doesn't require 4 uss ships

[upper sparrow]

Well nah im personally using that strat before get warkai

@zenith tundra entyz essex, jun, balti already 4 uss

Nvm im forget balti not on perma build kek

[vague token]

essex shouldnt be bothered with probably

[zenith tundra]

there is portland but idk

[vague token]

if anything she's a huge bait

[ionic magnet]

well portland is looking out of place in that list

[zenith tundra]

we have hood and doy still to see what would work in and also enty i guess

[hot creek]

Essex is fine, she just needs Enty. Wouldnt recommend going out of your way to lvl her for pvp but people use her in pve anyways

[zenith tundra]

i'll give essex enty a try then. what to put with them?

[ionic magnet]

do new players get belfast for free now

[zenith tundra]

idk not a new player

[ionic magnet]

amagi peeps where are you

[hot creek]

Hood I guess lol.

[shy hazel]

they get selection boc dont they

[zenith tundra]

wouldn't monarch be better then or just go for hiryuu 3 cv?

[hot creek]

Oh right, forgot about Hiryuu.

Was just thinking Hood cause reload.

[zenith tundra]

i'll try this. no need for aa dr vs namagi ws

[upper sparrow]

Vs namagi ws

Need a heavy luck to win

[zenith tundra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/735020189401481266/Screenshot_2020-07-21-09-27-34-412_com.YoStarJP.AzurLane.jpg

[upper sparrow]

[coral wren]

whats that vg

[upper sparrow]

U hoping for warkai miss her first snipe, and nagato not shoot her big seven

[hot creek]

I'd just use Helena with Enty everytime for those RNG wins

[zenith tundra]

random ass comp u find around. that's what that namagi ws is

not testing against meta since the results wouldn't be good anyway and this is meant for new player more then trying to find actual comps

[upper sparrow]

Using cv comp again sandy kai is pretty hard in my experience, but let see what zack test result

[ripe latch]

enty always on meta

wales hiryu enty

[zenith tundra]

swapped to sirius so i'm redoing tests...

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

how bad i hate stupid 3 cv comps. they are so rng

[vague token]

is that plane target cap still a thing?

[zenith tundra]

it shouldn't be after formie but i'm not sure

5-5...

idk what to say about essex. she was just getting melted by nagato. didn't seem much

[vague token]

essex class in general is pretty squishy

you'd be better off using like, sara or something on flag

[hot creek]

kiro shilling sara

[zenith tundra]

do u want to include sara in that list?

[vague token]

i mean, no, i feel like essex is too weak to be used is all

at least owari da can dodge other cvs

[ripe latch]

essex too squshi

[zenith tundra]

so hood and doy. what to use them in do we even use them at all with monarch around

about essex i feel like i'd pick centaur over her in almost any case tbh

more overall dmg and better support

[ripe latch]

but if using sirius need 2 cv's

[ionic magnet]

my very first "hms" team was doy hood qe/ws

but hood gets replaced by monarch

and doy by cent

[ripe latch]

why 3

[zenith tundra]

that old thing i know about it

[ionic magnet]

still worth placing them ig for peeps w/o monarch and cent

[zenith tundra]

so like reserves for possible hms?

[ionic magnet]

yea

and theyre good in pve too so

[zenith tundra]

have to say stomping that annoying namagi ws with a meta comp feels so nice after losing to it so much

the difference in between random comps and meta is so stupid

[shy hazel]

how much retries did that take zack

[zenith tundra]

i was testing so i retried a lot...

[zenith tundra]

this seems to be the list of ships for new section

now people that want to help theorycraft comps based on this are welcome

[ripe latch]

random()

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra maybe add wales? mass hp + buff youself

[upper sparrow]

PoW

[elder crane]

Richi JB Hiryuu
Erm, probably Ibuki Aurora Yukikaze vanguard setup?
Hope you murder their vanguard and Nagato misses first barrage? Then torp their main and win the final trades

Otherwise, Nagato Hiryuu Souryuu probably usable, some sort of stall-VG setup probably? Might be able to stick in Helena for some RNG stuff

Hood-Warspite(nonret I assume) might still be able to focus down a main fleet ship well enough to be usable?

A Helena-Enty RNG core might also be possible, esp vs non-457/HPFCR Warkai

[ripe latch]

without pr any double cv can destroy any vg/main

or enty solo

luckyeluckyeluckyeluckyeluckyeluckyeluckyeluckyeluckyeluckyeluckyeluckye

[elder crane]

Well, I assume point is to do okay vs meta stuff too

Ofc you won't have consistent winrate, but be able to win, and minimize amount of resetting needed

[elder crane]

Pretty sure she's still in

still in for all servers, yeah

she was never in those pools though

that was Sandy

wait, right

[ripe latch]

why wasting coubs when u can exchange?

[ornate river]

anyone see this yet https://youtu.be/5OP0wbjJbl4

[ripe latch]

rip 6 minutes of live

[crude mortar]

I only waste 10s of my life

cuz I spam skip

[real notch]

Yes I'm alive @ionic magnet you just pinged me at like 1am my time

[zenith tundra]

[shell heron]

Oh. That guy again. His tests are still questionable.

Did some runs against what looks to be a reasonable fleet and the results was inconsistent. But it is preloaded memes

I'll play with 🥖 again when JB hits 120

[zenith tundra]

richy jb hiryuu
nagato bunnies
monarch qe cent
ws monarch (hood) ??? (qe or cent)

[ripe latch]

cent beaver + beacon/ihr

[elder crane]

I still remember CN testers claiming that Nagato instead of QE actually increases winrate for QE HMS vs the top meta teams

[zenith tundra]

well nagato is only there because recent event. eventually she'll be removed so i'll leave qe teams alone and just add nagato versions

does nagato monarch hiryuu also work?

[vague token]

rich/hiryuu/formidable

;)

[sour oasis]

What was the 20mb download the game had yesterday?

[zenith tundra]

@elder crane i need plane setups for formie cent hiryuu again (don't remember where i put them last time). 2-5 so far vs namagi fdg

[zenith tundra]

9-3 -> 10-5... interesting

if anyone has improvements i'll try them

[sterile bluff]

lol is swifty better than belfap?

[proper sorrel]

huh

[sterile bluff]

im guessing not

cuz u can't shoot down planes in pvp

[ripe latch]

if anyone has improvements i'll try them
@zenith tundra remove hellcats

[zenith tundra]

i had worse wr with double vf-17 on cent lol

[proper sorrel]

wouldn't that make centy launch a bit too faster?

[ripe latch]

found this for max dps/cd

[zenith tundra]

the problem is not dps, it's sync but sure i'll try

[ripe latch]

this sync with formi

0.3-0.4 +/-

[zenith tundra]

i would dismiss ur suggestion just for that cata

but whatever

[ripe latch]

not for pvp

but anyway put fuel

[zenith tundra]

i'm not going against namagi fdg without evasion. already my cv can just die too fast with evasion

[ripe latch]

formi can survive 1-2 ws kai skill

problem with fdg

4-6 airstrikes

so maybe helena and rng ...

they put lusty for tanky on videos , maybe u should try her

[vague token]

formi cant live through ws + georgia gun without evasion

base hp struggle

[ripe latch]

r n g
n
g

maybe taihou , but same with additional hp

[vague token]

formi will be more useful in that comp still

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

5-5

[ripe latch]

[sterile bluff]

i rly need dat formi

[ripe latch]

maybe replace on hiryuu helldiver

0.6-0.9s

and have 1-2 free seconds for final counter

[zenith tundra]

4-6

[vague token]

personally i dont think dive cuda helps hiryuu much here

cause she's already smacking people after vg goes

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra maybe fairy?

[vague token]

better to have the helldiver for first launch

[ripe latch]

formi enty cent

[zenith tundra]

very rarely hiryuu gets to final counter after vg death. it's too rng whatever u kill vg or not with 1st airstrike and fdg pressure is quite strong

[ripe latch]

[obsidian kite]

Why is Ayanami so squishy

[zenith tundra]

that's a question for the devs

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra nagato buff to carriers still work?

on pvp

[zenith tundra]

is there a reason why it wouldn't?

[ripe latch]

bugs?

[zenith tundra]

no recent ones

[ripe latch]

maybe try cranes

[zenith tundra]

i don't think i can. not with level 90 cranes anyway

[ripe latch]

play around zuikaku buff

[zenith tundra]

it's not like i'm the only one that can actually test

[karmic forum]

I don't think many of us here have maxed cranes

[zenith tundra]

if u really want to test u can just raise them up

i have plenty of ships that i only raised for pvp

[ripe latch]

me need just lvl

[silent ocean]

i think i missed a session fk another scuffed season

[karmic forum]

Missing exercises is a blessing in disguise

[ebon schooner]

not having max cranes

smh

i thought everyone here was endgame

smh

[zenith tundra]

and cranes are really not endgame at the very least not better then essex centy or enty anyway

[ebon schooner]

nah, endgame as in, having a bunch of maxed ships

[zenith tundra]

i only have 10 cv at 120

[ebon schooner]

https://media.tenor.com/images/440ac9f29661d409aa9f48155678cc0d/tenor.gif

[elder crane]

Oh yeah, only recently started to push skk towards 120

I can't remember, do they give +2 or just the standard +1 Avi in fleet tech?
Not that it matters for PvP lol

I wouldn't use avgas on Hiryuu or Cent, personally

[zenith tundra]

just tell what u would use

[silent ocean]

yeah both give +1 to cvl and +2 to cv

for avi

[zenith tundra]

i still hate that comp with passion no matter what i used it felt so volatile

[elder crane]

Maybe beacon depending on plane timings, otherwise the +hit

VH on Hiryuu also an option I suppose

I actually prefer that to rudder on her as first defensive aux

[zenith tundra]

she's only tanking fdg really... is it worth is

not like vh will stop the fire

i'll try with vh just to see anyway

[elder crane]

FdG, hmmm

Yeah, I can see that

Maybe FE instead?

EN is FdG-free for the most part

[zenith tundra]

if i remove avgas on centy i need different plane setup for timings

[elder crane]

Oh, you're going w the cuda strat

[zenith tundra]

every time i tried ryuusei it never really felt more consistent

but that also would be something to test

who should use ryuusei? hiryuu or centaur? can i sync hiryuu easily?

[elder crane]

Only cent when I did it
Hiryuu was hard to fit in window, and only one can fit
I'll try it again now this season either way

You're looking at "beginner" teams, right?

So limited ship pool

[zenith tundra]

yes

based on perma pools and recent events only ships like last 2 months

[zenith tundra]

did anyone ever noticed opponent vg somehow still moving even with formie stop? i swear i saw that 3 times now

maybe an emu bug wtf

[vague token]

i dont think ive ever seen that

[zenith tundra]

i never saw it on phone too so far just on emu

[ionic magnet]

its rng on 2nd airstrike onwards

[zenith tundra]

what?

[ionic magnet]

80% chance

[zenith tundra]

oh lol

[ionic magnet]

only 1st strike is guaranteed

[sterile bluff]

Zack got trolled

[ionic magnet]

@real notch youre close too lol

[zenith tundra]

i always thought it was 100%

[sterile bluff]

Only on first strike lmao

[zenith tundra]

to be fair i never used her in forever and mostly pvp anyway after 120

i didn't remember at all that she had % chance

[sterile bluff]

Im gonna need formi for georgia

Also damn bro she THICC

[zenith tundra]

how tf is she so hyped then in pve... stupid rng chance is terrible

[sterile bluff]

I mean... have u tried formi georgia

God combo

But then u need slower guns on georgia and cuda on formi rip

[zenith tundra]

that has 36% chance of doing absolutely nothing

[sterile bluff]

I mean

They have other stuff outside those skills lol

[zenith tundra]

i'd take fdg centy then 100% broken

[sterile bluff]

fdg georgia ws is my dream team

[vague token]

just manual

[zenith tundra]

i'd rather quit then manual

[sterile bluff]

[elder crane]

Wait wait

Formi isn't perma, no?

Nor is recent

[sterile bluff]

Formi isnt perm

[zenith tundra]

i was testing hiryuu formie cent for tl not for the other section

[elder crane]

Derp I can run Azuma, duh

[sterile bluff]

We r making a new tl wut?

[zenith tundra]

nah it's just a section for new players with comps from perma pool ships and recent events

[sterile bluff]

Perma pool comps

Wait theres centy at least

and enty

[elder crane]

Anyways Heccdabber and beacon Hiryuu ryuus does line up okay
I looked closer at drop timings, and, uh
Seems to be 0.9-1.7 s between when CV launches and when Ryuus drop torps
At least those were the limits of what I observed

[zenith tundra]

also pr1 ships too which shouldn't be hard to get to dev 30 with catchup thing, well at least 1 of them

[elder crane]

Hiryuu ryuus might actually be the better choice, lol
Have cent lay down her slow to extend the window where enemy vg is almost completely stopped

Maybe even 818 her

[sterile bluff]

Never waste my chance to show off my emotes

[empty grove]

A monarch simp huh

[ebon schooner]

better than a richie simp

disgusting filth

[empty grove]

Self deprecation huh

Nice

[shy hazel]

what is this clownery

[sterile bluff]

nah man i don't simp for

i simp for

[crude mortar]

[shell heron]

oooh, I wonder if I can catch 5 bonuses this reset

[crude mortar]

[ionic magnet]

[crude mortar]

[ionic magnet]

-Sandbeggar
StellaP

[shell heron]

Day 3. They still don't know I'm a sandbagger

[crude mortar]

yeah who are you

are you a sand bagger?

[ionic magnet]

[crude mortar]

how surprisingly

[karmic forum]

Cay whats your score?

[empty grove]

Time to hold my match until 1 min

Can't have people waiting on me

[vague token]

kek

[crude mortar]

1ticket last 1 min?

or 5?

[empty grove]

How would I do 5 in a min

[crude mortar]

[karmic forum]

Get 5 level 1 fleets

[empty grove]

It'd still be cutting it close tho

[karmic forum]

Each match takes less than a second basically + 50 seconds for getting though menus

[empty grove]

Takes me 4 seconds to kill a 1:1

So 10 seconds or so per battle

Pretty damn close

[karmic forum]

I've done 5 matches pretty quickly before

Around 3 minutes with good luck

[empty grove]

Worst i've done 5 in was like

3 min

Ye

I had to take a -1 tho

[karmic forum]

But the moment you roll into a meta fleet you're fucked

[shell heron]

The moment you run into any 120 fleets you're fucked. 40s max a fight

[empty grove]

My comp isn't 40 seconds

[ebon schooner]

nice list

what a tryhard

making a pvp list

smh

🏃‍♂️

[crude mortar]

who tryhard

im a filthy casual

play game for waifu

what do you mean?

[ebon schooner]

trueeee

[crude mortar]

[shell heron]

Tbh you can take eos rank posts and call them all sandbaggers

[crude mortar]

need more information

[karmic forum]

To some extent

[crude mortar]

[karmic forum]

Sometimes I see EoS randomly push to 0/10

During the beginning or middle of the season

[shell heron]

Or at least those who are regulars here

You'll know when we drop matches and give up

[ebon schooner]

to really make a pvp list

memorize

peoples patterns

log in their activity

[crude mortar]

how about both

[vague token]

i mean, i would do a spreadsheet with When they push on what days

[ebon schooner]

lololololololololol

jk

who would do that

or rather

who cares enough about pvp to do that

[karmic forum]

I mean I did something to that effect last season

Took a snapshot of the leaderboards at the end of each reset

[crude mortar]

[shell heron]

I do that every season

Seen veterans retire and new blood take over

[crude mortar]

[ionic magnet]

meanwhile i just trust my list and pray

[ebon schooner]

thoughts and prayers

yeehaw

[empty grove]

Imagine having motivation to make a list tho

Smh

& still not getting rank 1

[crude mortar]

[karmic forum]

I'll get r1 some other time, 2600 is good enough for now

[empty grove]

Rank 1 this season

[karmic forum]

I choose sleep

[empty grove]

https://tenor.com/view/virtual-youtuber-cute-dog-suzuhara-lulu-stare-smile-gif-17669866

Understandable

[ebon schooner]

casual

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475414043348172811/734184424656207914/image0.gif

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475414043348172811/716822388561412096/skunkwalk.gif

[karmic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/712568311140974664/729140047261073460/korone_headbang.gif

I'm a filthy casual when it comes to PvP, can't be bothered to max sandbag two seasons in a row

[ebon schooner]

https://imgur.com/pTCwdns

nice

[empty grove]

[ebon schooner]

nice link

😠

fix your link shitter

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

[ebon schooner]

nice

im stealing that

thank you

[ripe latch]

[sterile bluff]

That monarch looks sad :’(

[vague token]

[somber axle]

Hi PVP, so please tell me if I'm understanding sandbagging correctly.

I'm supposed to log in at random times during the day and hope my 4 matched players did their run so I can get +1 or +2 points.

Also hold 10/10 as long as possible.

[crude mortar]

welcome to the foodchain

[somber axle]

So that's a yes or no? 😂

[empty grove]

I dispute that food chain

Smh

[crude mortar]

why rofl

[empty grove]

Because no has more firsts than me yet

[crude mortar]

[empty grove]

By a sizeable margin

[somber axle]

So is my understanding correct or no?

[empty grove]

Also yeah that's basically sandbagging

[somber axle]

That's too much work! I'm not going to log in 20+ times a day just to pvp. 👀

[empty grove]

It's +1 base once you get into the admiral ranks

[crude mortar]

@somber axle welcome to the foodchain

[empty grove]

Just log in when you can

If you only want the top 10 reward, mild sandbagging will net you that every time

Just don't dump all of your matches as you get them

[somber axle]

There's a top 10 reward? I thought top reward was Admirl of the navy at top 50.

[crude mortar]

just do first time 5-10min after reset and 4 other match 10min before next reset

[empty grove]

Nah

There's 2500 for hitting top 10

[somber axle]

Wow

[crude mortar]

bascially you waste all life energy for exatra 1 bullin every 1 month and a half

*purin

[karmic forum]

It's a fun game to play

[somber axle]

I aim for top 50 for now. I probably can't beat most people still.

[karmic forum]

Just don't take the results too seriously

[crude mortar]

spam reset

[empty grove]

You only need to touch top 10

[crude mortar]

[somber axle]

We'll see what happens this round. I will try not to lose to meta foxes. 🐔

[karmic forum]

How cute

[crude mortar]

yeah fox meta

so strong

walao

[karmic forum]

Just take your time levelling your fleet

[empty grove]

Tbf

Amagi is a fox

[crude mortar]

@somber axle whats your fleet

[karmic forum]

Nagato is a fox as well

[empty grove]

Using Nagato

[karmic forum]

But when people say foxes it's always Akaga

[empty grove]

Using richie

[crude mortar]

bingo

[karmic forum]

It's actually pretty close to being good

[crude mortar]

bingo

[somber axle]

JB/Riche getting replaced later for Nagato/Hiryuu.

[crude mortar]

[somber axle]

Because while Riche is good, JB is not that good.

[ebon schooner]

all these richie shillers coming out of the woodwork

[ionic magnet]

ditching waifu for meta

[crude mortar]

[karmic forum]

If I used my waifu fleet in PvP it wouldn't be pretty

[ionic magnet]

arent you the same person who said jb isnt getting replaced

[empty grove]

Smh

Kongou meta when

[crude mortar]

pvp no reset when

[ionic magnet]

[somber axle]

Me? JB was always getting replaced.

[karmic forum]

Skill-based PvP when

[empty grove]

I wish

[crude mortar]

[empty grove]

Then I can go feral mode

[crude mortar]

wtf is feral mode

[empty grove]

[ebon schooner]

full on raging homosexual

🏃‍♂️

[empty grove]

Close enough

It's basically being as toxic as possible

[crude mortar]

pvp no reset

then everyone torpememe

[ionic magnet]

[karmic forum]

Imagine if the game notified you everytimw your defense fleet beat an opponent

[crude mortar]

in kc it actually did

[karmic forum]

Or it just kept a number of defense wins

[somber axle]

That would actually be a good addition.

Not sure why they don't.

[karmic forum]

Wouldn't really matter because people just reset

If you remove resets then people will complain about an RNG fiesta

[empty grove]

Imagine complaining about RNG in a gacha

[ebon schooner]

I predicted when he would move

[empty grove]

[ebon schooner]

And I was right

[empty grove]

Show points

If it isn't atleast 23

You failed

[karmic forum]

I don't have to imagine because everybody complains about all aspects of RNG in this game

[empty grove]

Yeah so it wouldn't change much really

You'd still get the

"Well PVP is irrelevant" people

[ebon schooner]

are they wrong

[empty grove]

No

They're 100% right

[ionic magnet]

first person that would complain are the sandbaggers not getting to top10 anymore

if no more reset

[karmic forum]

We are just the people who like wasting time in an irrelevant game mode

[empty grove]

I wouldn't even bother trying

[crude mortar]

might see alotof random fleet

without reset

[karmic forum]

You probably won't be able to sandbag but you have have multiple fleets to counter anything they throw at you

[empty grove]

Bruh

[crude mortar]

isn't that interesting

lvling all ship to counter enemy

[empty grove]

Imagine gearing like 3 fleets for PVP

Majority of my meta shit is 120 anyway

[ebon schooner]

weird flex but ok

[empty grove]

Imagine thinking ship 120 count on AL is a flex

[ebon schooner]

[karmic forum]

The greatest flex are the people who oath multiple copies of the same ship

That's true dedication

[empty grove]

Money flex

[ebon schooner]

21

wow

ive been scammed

[empty grove]

Nah 21 is fine

Lmao

It is only two people who pushed tho

[ebon schooner]

doesnt matter

this season was garbage for me anyways

🤧

[empty grove]

Same

But I haven't slept in like

30 hours

[crude mortar]

[ebon schooner]

thats on you

[empty grove]

So I was checking that entire time

[ebon schooner]

see

you love al

stupid tsun

smh

fuckn hate tsuns

[empty grove]

I'll give you a tsun m8

[ebon schooner]

dont say it

😠

[empty grove]

[sterile bluff]

[ripe latch]

[sterile bluff]

btw @ripe latch may I have the sauce to ur pfp?

[crude mortar]

PM ME TOO THX

[vague token]

i heard we shilling rich

hmm 5 smol bonuses

i guess that's ok

[sterile bluff]

gib 👏 da 👏 sauce 👏 niko! 👏

[shell heron]

2 small and a medium bonus

this reset is weird

[vague token]

what are you at?

[shell heron]

511 7/10

[vague token]

im at 542 5/10

the power of tiny bonuses

[shell heron]

oh, you're 1 up of me

I should fix that

[opaque granite]

Do points increase when you defeat a higher level commander? Or its random?

[sterile bluff]

i don't think it's affected by commander lv...

[vague token]

neither

you get extra points based on how many more they have

compared to you

so if they have a ton of points compared to you, you get more bonus points

[opaque granite]

Got it, thanks!

[shell heron]

oh nvm. I got one last bite

I knew this person is gonna move eventually

I think I can make a reasonable guess on thresholds for +1s for most ranks now. We're lacking data to be 100% sure but there are some strong patterns

Can you get an exact prediction if that person will give you a bonus? prob not

but is it a good estimate? yes

[shy hazel]

mmm

i wont try to join eos party

swamped on work

[topaz blade]

Can fire damage proc hiryuu?

[crude mortar]

ARE THESE SANDBEGGAR?

fire dmg not lethal

mean it cannot proc

[ebon schooner]

Perhaps

Check your list

[narrow meadow]

a bit late but oppaii is a sandbagger

and so is wwAsian

uhh tbh i think ive seen smolmiku in top 50 at end of season before too so maybe

[crude mortar]

I got +3 from oppaii

[crude jetty]

what is a sandbagger? lol

new to this >.<

[lament lichen]

You actually keep a list of rushers and sandbaggers

Sandbaggers use their attacks on players who have the highest score on thier list. And uses 5 attacks at most before each reset. They normally attack when someone on thier list moves.

[shy hazel]

a sandbager

is a scum of azurlane pvp

[opaque granite]

What do they get from sandbagging?

[narrow meadow]

sandbaggers keep their exercise points relatively low to maximize how many points they get with each exercise

they do this because the amount of points you get per exercise is determined by the difference between the number of points between you and your opponent

[shy hazel]

bonus points

every 35 points that your opponent has u get extra points

[narrow meadow]

if your opponent has more points than you then you will get bonus points for beating them

[opaque granite]

Isn't it normal to attack players higher than you?

[shy hazel]

ofc it is

but simply attacking players

that is only 100 ranks higher

[narrow meadow]

yes but if you wait until your opponent uses all of their exercises then you will get more points for attacking them

[shy hazel]

wont give u extra points

[opaque granite]

Ahh I get it, thanks!

[shy hazel]

so u wait for him to use his runs

till u get a nice gap

which then u gank him

[narrow meadow]

sometimes it doesnt always work the way you'd hope though

[shy hazel]

[narrow meadow]

i got fucked over this season

[upper sparrow]

Fucked by real-life event

[crude mortar]

[ripe latch]

[ripe latch]

[karmic forum]

You love to see it

Oh wait you're just looking at leaderboards

[ripe latch]

usualy only namaryuu fleets on top

[shy hazel]

making sandbag list this early is zulul

[true vale]

Am I blind or does the new pvp tierlist not feature any Juneau/Noshiro/Nanoda? owo

[shy hazel]

cos some ppl dont sandbag

but they sleep over resets

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

[red crane]

yep, the latter is me

im goign to bed before 9 est rn

so i miss 2 resets

but i sandbag for the one resert i do get to do so on

[shy hazel]

pvp tierlist is being updated

ask zack to fix when he here

[ripe latch]

when zack add kiro fleets on tier

[true vale]

Mm, well I mean I might just roll with an untiered comp then. I'm still miles away from Azuma or FDG.

[ripe latch]

[true vale]

But hey, at least my Main is t0

[ripe latch]

u no need this girls on start

[red crane]

idk what combination of WarKai, Nagato, Amagi, Hiryuu, and Monarch im gonna run

[ripe latch]

5 main

[red crane]

fdg is tec hnically possible

it will just take forever

[ripe latch]

before top1000 azuma can carry solo

[true vale]

I wonder who recommends people to try for dev30 fdg. At this point you're playing long enough to be through most of the non-permanent things.

[red crane]

mya zuma's only dev level 15 :/

cause i took so long to start grinding for it

[ripe latch]

fdg first better

azuma still not worth

[crude mortar]

rainbow gun first better

[red crane]

my only german backline is graf

[ripe latch]

[true vale]

But graf is backline eugen tho. Why would you even.

[red crane]

im still getting the bluepritns for fdg when i see them

im just nto doing the grind for her yet

[ripe latch]

fdg30 without rainbow

worth

[red crane]

also i started during divergent

[whole terrace]

azuma still not worth
@ripe latch wdym?

[ripe latch]

she can carry after 15 on low/ 20-25 mid ranks

dev lvl

[whole terrace]

[shy hazel]

actually no

azuma is actually worth rushing first

cos shes useful at dev 25

while fdg is bad till dev 30

u can just stop focusing once 25

[whole terrace]

dev 15 azuma still generally better than everyone except noshiro from my experience/tests
except maybe some specific setups like aurora + carriers or helena + backliners firing around 20s

all when paired with juneau + yuki

I'm planning to 'rush' azuma to dev 25 then swap focus to FDG or pr3

[ionic magnet]

Am I blind or does the new pvp tierlist not feature any Juneau/Noshiro/Nanoda? owo
@true vale yea you're just blind

[red crane]

dev 15 azuma still generally better than everyone except noshiro from my experience/tests

and this is why im using nosh rn

[whole terrace]

[ripe latch]

cos shes useful at dev 25
@shy hazel en statistics say dev 0

|| 5-15 ||

[elder crane]

FdG isn't even useful until Dev30
and I'd say that upgrading dev25 to dev30 on Azuma is better than swapping in dev30 FdG, unless you somehow missed all the good event ships despite having dev30 FdG (or maybe because of it, since you used up all your cubes, lol)

[frail orbit]

Just get D30 FDG 4head

[elder crane]

still, imo, dev 30 Azuma is a much bigger upgrade than dev 30 FdG for PvP
Azuma sees the smaller benefit, but she's already worth running
FdG sees more benefit on own perf, but she wasn't even worth slotting before- so the comparison isn't dev 25 vs dev 30 FdG, but [whatever you ran before] vs dev 30 FdG

[frail orbit]

And imagine using Nugget for PVP nowadays

U want more consistency

Both attack and def

[elder crane]

still not really on defense

[frail orbit]

Not f00kin RNGesus of 40% barrage

U wont even put Nugget on Wakai focus, ever

[elder crane]

anyone worth trying to RNG stall against won't be consistently stalled, ever

[frail orbit]

Aka at flag only

If anything

[elder crane]

the only reason to run a good defense is to screw sandbaggers

[frail orbit]

FDG Amagi Hiryuu

For screwing up shit

[elder crane]

and any sandbagger has a good enough team that you need all the RNG you can get

[frail orbit]

W/ low level sandbeggar

Aka those on lv90ish

Just crush their dreams and hopes

[elder crane]

there's no low level sandbaggers that threaten our ranking

[frail orbit]

Bkoz I like to bully peeps

[elder crane]

also Nagato screws them just fine

it's a very tiny window where you'd actually want a consistent defense team

they have to be good enough that they can sometimes win vs a more RNG team, and bad enough they consistently lose to a consistent team

[frail orbit]

there's no low level sandbaggers that threaten our ranking
@elder crane last time I handled Mikumo's acc, could do just fine at top 20, if only I sandbag more at his acc could get a shot on eos gensui

Thats

Bkoz the lack of real shit

For def fleet

If only it's like Honkai

So much bloodshed

[elder crane]

Is Mikumo:

1. good enough that they can sometimes win vs a more RNG (real) team
2. bad enough they consistently lose to a consistent team

otherwise, a consistent defense team is still equal or worse

[frail orbit]

He used Namawakai

[whole terrace]

Wdym by an rng team? Surely it either forces a reset or doesn’t, i.e. it’s either a stronger team or a weaker team

[elder crane]

Namawarkai can wreck anything

[frail orbit]

For offense, I used his Jun Ibuki YKKZ

[elder crane]

you can't even stall that team lol

so moot point

[frail orbit]

But the pain of actually RNGing his Nugget is

Like what

A pain in the ass

[elder crane]

no defense team you can pull up will consistently stall that at all - if anything RNG teams will do better than consistent ones

Yeah, for offense, Nagato is these days

[frail orbit]

Like what

[elder crane]

Nagato setups

[frail orbit]

Compared to my FDG Amagi Wakai

It's derp af

[elder crane]

Namagi FdG

[frail orbit]

No prolonged Amagi debuff coverage too

[elder crane]

oh, you mean offense?

[frail orbit]

Yeah

[elder crane]

for offense, something like that, yeah

or Warkai Amagi Hiryuu does well too

FC or Warkai-Monarch type setups will be more consistent than Nagato setups vs not-the-absolute-best teams too

though you lose enough average power imo that vs the absolute "best" defense teams, winrate is no better than just Namagi Warkai etc.

but anyways, once offense team is around that level, defense teams can only hope to occasionally force a few resets

at that point, more RNG at no (or low) cost to average performance is advantageous for defense

@whole terrace
An on-average "stronger" team can still lose with RNG
Since offense is on average stronger due to offense advantages, it can be worth reducing your team's average strength to reduce RNG
Since defense is on average weaker vs good enough offense teams, more RNG means you get a better shot at winning, to the point it can be worth reducing your team's average strength to increase RNG

[whole terrace]

Bruh u’ve lost me

can u do a tldr of

How does rng make nagato weaker on offence and stronger on defense

that's what ur saying right?

[elder crane]

On offense you expect to win
Therefore RNG bad, you want to win consistently
no bullshit losses due to RNG when you should win

On Defense you expect to lose
therefore RNG good, you want RNG bullshit to force a reset
Snake a win through RNG when you should've lost

Nagato is very RNG due to 40% barrage proc on an extremely strong barrage

[whole terrace]

torpmemes do seem to do better on defense than on offense

still not better than juneau azuma yuki though imo

idk if it's the same kind of thing

[elder crane]

yeah, that's a combination of "RNG good on defense" and vanguard positioning effects

still, even if you take out the matches where defense torps takes a chunk out of offense main fleet, just based on vanguard torping vanguard, defense torp vanguard does a lot better than offense vanguard

[red crane]

ngl the fleet im most scared of facing is soemthign with enterprise caus enow i have to pay attention

[elder crane]

on the matter of torpmemes vs juneau azuma yuki, juneau azuma yuki is much stronger on average, so often the extra RNG isn't worth running a worse-on-average vanguard

[red crane]

to make sure im not chain lucky e'd

[karmic forum]

I don't miss enty mirrors

[elder crane]

another illustration is offense fleet winrates in different mirrors
WaSDE was like 70% for offense to win cause half the time it was just "who fails lucky E first lol"
Namayuu is much better than that actually, offense winrate reaches ~85% or so for stall-vanguard setups
Meanwhile most Warkai vs Warkai mirrors is easily 90+%
Or Amkaga mirrors back when that was a thing

all teams see roughly the same benefit for being on offense instead of defense; despite that, the less-RNG teams have much higher offense winrate/much lower defense winrate in the mirror

[whole terrace]

But if nagato does worse in the mirror, doesn't that just mean she's bad/worse on offense than other options? That doesn't seem to be the case

Namaspite and Namagi fdg are t0 comps with high winrates

And virtually all defense comps use nagato

[elder crane]

she would be worse if there were comparable options with less RNG
there's very few options as good as her with less RNG though

almost anything else you could run in her place is just in general worse
no point in being consistent if you team is weaker enough that you just consistently lose as often as (or more often than!) Nagato RNG-loses

[whole terrace]

Here's some more 🍝 for u
if nagato teams have the highest winrates, doesn't that make her 'consistent' in another sense?
Since u literally reset less, that's what a winrate means

[elder crane]

Yes, consistency on ship impact in battle vs consistency in getting the favorable end result of the matchup

[whole terrace]

that's enough thinking for me today

ty for that interesting conversation

[sterile bluff]

[ripe latch]

after first nagato event ppl using mutsu nagato hiryuu

rng
n
g

[sterile bluff]

[coral wren]

is mutsu bad for pvp

wait no i should rephrase, like how bad is she

[ripe latch]

as like nagato , but not have usless buff for self

but if proc 2 sakura , ez win , hiryuu can help

[vague token]

[elder crane]

she's a shitty Baka basically

unless vanguard somehow runs into her barrage

which is probably a good thing for the mutsu team?

[ripe latch]

juneau + 2

[sterile bluff]

isn't mutsu just nagato but no buff?

lol

[karmic forum]

Also worse stats

[vague token]

worse stats

cause purple

although it's probably like less than 3%

135 -> 130 mg efficiency is like 3% reduction

40 less luck hurts though

[ripe latch]

luck

[sterile bluff]

oof 40

but ehh

considering how good nagato is

mutsu can't be that bad

[zenith tundra]

nagato is good about 40% of the time tho

rest is just qe with better units buffed

[vague token]

and better stat boosts

cv damage, not aviation stat

xD

[sterile bluff]

ijn CVs

except hiryuu

watch hakuryu be broken

preloaded airstrike +5

[vague token]

eagle armored cv when

[ripe latch]

intrepid?
Once per battle, when this ship's HP falls below 20.0%, activates the following buffs:
Decreases this ship's DMG taken by 15.0% (25.0%) for 20s.
This ship takes 0 Burn DMG for 30s.

[vague token]

maybe if she had 1k more hp and heavy armor

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

geez, 25% DR on 20% of her HP

[vague token]

im pretty sure you'll just die before going under 20%

[ripe latch]

kiro wants say - i want eagle taihou

[elder crane]

that's like
7% more eHP?
assuming the shot procing it takes her just under 20%

[vague token]

like skip from 21 - 0

[elder crane]

instead of 1-shotting her

[vague token]

yeah

taihou too much crazy

[elder crane]

prolly more like 5% DR in practice

at best

[vague token]

like, georgia gun probably does what, 2k+ on medium?

[elder crane]

and when you're that low, fires barely matter
fires can't kill after all, you need to hit the ship anyways

and 10%, 1 HP, same thing

[zenith tundra]

more like 0 dr in practice if u get 1 shoot anyway

[vague token]

yeah

[elder crane]

hence "at best"

[vague token]

6.6k base hp means it's like ~2500 for the threshold

[elder crane]

shot taking her under 20% takes her to, 12% would give that?

[vague token]

so it's basically 0 dr

[elder crane]

6k HP with the multiplier

also ykkz should kick in for a heal tbf if she's the first to reach that

[ripe latch]

why little lusty get heavy armor?

[sterile bluff]

she thicc

[vague token]

it should be 3000 or so

[sterile bluff]

heavy armor CVs 🤤

[vague token]

20% of base 6600 is like nothing

[zenith tundra]

3132 hp with hp multiplier. ws does around that with 457 per shell

[vague token]

you'll never be under there, or the next shell will just kill you anyways

or fdg will crit you for 6k

[sterile bluff]

3132 per shell wtaf?

[vague token]

xD

[sterile bluff]

my divine marksman does like 1k per shell

[ripe latch]

just put vh armor

but zuikaku really strong with 7.2k hp

[sterile bluff]

is zkk heavy armor?

[zenith tundra]

close enough

[sterile bluff]

is that a 457 shell?

[ripe latch]

medium , but we can put vh + beacon

[zenith tundra]

yes

[sterile bluff]

i mean ofc it is im stupid

but damn

2770

i rly need dat sword

[sour oasis]

Oof. Forgot I was going against Mun and forgot to reset.

[upper sparrow]

Vtuber simp

[empty grove]

All I see is 0 fleet tech

[sterile bluff]

[balmy furnace]

no skin

[shy hazel]

[digital prism]

whats the setup for juneau?

[shy hazel]

u mean gear

pearl and any

[somber axle]

Juneau uses pearl? Pinned guide says no.

[shy hazel]

once u have ykkz azuma

u wont have anyone to put pearl on

except jun

phx ask zack to update list

on equipment

pearl should be green

there fixed

@somber axle ty for informing

i still have edit powers

[somber axle]

👌

[shy hazel]

its kind of pain but we should put azuma on top

and noshiro

cos technically they're the closest to meta

[ionic magnet]

i mean its not wrong

pearl is still bad on jun in general

she only gets it if youre using azuma and ykkz

if anything boiler should be changed to green

then others to orange

[karmic forum]

Yeah pearl on jun is undesirable

Good things theres all this variety in vanguard comps

[shy hazel]

there fixed

might as well make it all orange

[ionic magnet]

that works too

[shy hazel]

because true meta is just azuma ykkz and jun

[ionic magnet]

thats still like 1 year away from EN meta

[shy hazel]

can you like

reduce the text

and put that if u using ykkz and azuma

then u need pearl

[digital prism]

is the beaver squad tag ever used in pvp?

[shy hazel]

that depends

[karmic forum]

Yes its pretty much always used

[ionic magnet]

you got lazy again

[shy hazel]

hey

its a miracle i even added it

[ionic magnet]

LOL

[shy hazel]

azuma and noshiro on top now

took me 5 minutes to learn how to resize rows

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

imo

[ionic magnet]

you messed up fill color too

[shy hazel]

sendai should be kicked from the list now

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

hey u fix it

im partially color blind

[ionic magnet]

yea sendai is forgotten ship already

time to nuke

[shy hazel]

demote namahyuu to tier 2

thats old shit

in legacy tierlist

actually we should be deleting that part

theres so much better options than hyuuga now

[ionic magnet]

wait i thought we're leaving that for newbies

[shy hazel]

hyuuka kai

i dont really think its a good investment

[ionic magnet]

we're just updating the new TL from now on

[shy hazel]

even for newbies

to invest hyuuga kai

[ionic magnet]

its tier 3 now

in new tl

[shy hazel]

who tf made the plane ascii art in plane calculator