pvp

[ionic magnet]

i only remember rich getting meme'd on her release

[shy hazel]

[karmic forum]

Because I want to save her for events

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

yeah she's a solo ship

[shy hazel]

its better than that trash called bismarck

[vague token]

at least rich buffs fp

never forgive never forget that bismarck ONLY boosts the crit rate of primary weapons

[karmic forum]

Bismarck was doomed to fail because kms

[vague token]

so she doesnt buff any of the barrages

[karmic forum]

At least iris has preload memes

[vague token]

at all

[karmic forum]

Its a more interesting way to meme in any case

[vague token]

no black hole from story

so no synergy with her gun range skill

barrage that is so weak you cant even imagine the story biscuit (when you first start the game) one shotting hood

[shy hazel]

the bad this about bis

is

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

it was hyped

rich wasnt

[vague token]

so the next kms must be negative hype

and then they'll be strong

[shy hazel]

u mean

has always been

[vague token]

like mainz

kek

[shy hazel]

the only usable in kms is fdg

and that needs alot of investment

[karmic forum]

Odin is sort of interesting

With her secondaries, vangaurd could die really soon

[vague token]

ODIN IS WITH US is just meme tier

but will be funny with helena

[shy hazel]

interesting but useful

we dont know yet

[vague token]

line up vg with flag

[karmic forum]

Although I don't think she can hit the backline

[vague token]

hit them all with thor's lightning

i hope the lightning bolt has infinite pen

[shy hazel]

goodluck about that

[vague token]

well, wont be for a while

still gotta get a 457 and dev 30 azuma/fdg

[crude mortar]

last pr3 ship is ijn isn't it

they say they'll release last pr ship ijn on 3rd universary cuz they didn't made it in time

[karmic forum]

Did they actually say that?

[shy hazel]

rumor iirc

hakuryu

one leaker said

[frail orbit]

Gud then

More IJN bias

[shy hazel]

its dr cv

[frail orbit]

Inb4 Hakuryuu + Hoe

[shy hazel]

ofc

rumor is rumor

[crude mortar]

leaker can become liar depend on yostar mood

[shy hazel]

rumor can be humor

[crude mortar]

and tumor

[frail orbit]

More tumor is always appreciated

Koz I liek bubies

[sterile bluff]

[frail orbit]

Keep in mind that odin got basically like what

18s reload gun w/ 3 shots

[coral wren]

@coral wren no luck, just needs focus on gear projects
20/50 means you really haven't focused on them
tbf it's quite annoying since you'll be spamming a ton of fast researches
@elder crane
I did spam gear research ever since pr2 got released. Idk man, its pure cancer rng but I think I can live without it for a while

[frail orbit]

Even tho base dmg is lower than 406skc

With 3 barrel 305skc is better in dmg

Less burn but whatever

She's meant to be a mob clearer anyway

[coral wren]

I run into those dudes with rainbow BB guns equipped and they never managed to make me reset

[crude mortar]

[frail orbit]

@vague token anyway kiro ur 4mi on richie team w/ cuda?

[sour oasis]

But if you had 457 rainbow guns, you'd beat opponents faster.

[shy hazel]

kiro dont need that

what kiro need is memeier ships

[sour oasis]

I do

[vague token]

cuda/cuda/albacore on formi

[frail orbit]

Thinking of Champ shit tbh

Barrage's supposed to be shit

But if she could spam it in around 8-9s it'd be smhw doubled eh?

Sadly sad modifier tho but richie burn hmmmm

[vague token]

if champ used her beeg barrage on gun shot

that would be fun

but she uses the pellets one

so

_>

[sterile bluff]

Lol yea

Big sad

[crude mortar]

im 29/50 now

[sterile bluff]

[mint hornet]

Unfortunate that your Georgia researches still don't give you her gun, Essex

[shell heron]

I don't see why it should. Having gear tied to specific projects sound weird

but would it have been nice to have one of those E projects for PR2 that guarantees a type of bp

[sterile bluff]

LMFAO yea just did a 5 hr georgia

Got 2bps

No gun

I wanna die rn

[ripe latch]

[sterile bluff]

Also 0 fdg bps today so far

[ripe latch]

1 week 0 bps

[sterile bluff]

Lmao rly XD

[ripe latch]

dropdown rates

[sterile bluff]

They lowered droprates nani?

I thought thats wut u meant by dropdown rates lol

[shy hazel]

[sterile bluff]

[frail orbit]

[crude mortar]

@frail orbit

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

2 bonuses, then ded

xD

[ripe latch]

lel

[crude mortar]

37 is it enough

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

actually 38 exactly

he eating +9 ono

[vague token]

hestia is bestia lol

🆗

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

[upper sparrow]

[crude mortar]

CALL ME FUTURE YOONSLAYER101

[ripe latch]

[digital prism]

how to improve french gang

[crude mortar]

lvling them to 120

[digital prism]

i win against almost everything already, except enterprise based teams

[ripe latch]

replace algerie to juneau

[ionic magnet]

how to improve french gang
dont use french gang

[digital prism]

but my torp shield D:

[ionic magnet]

for starters get more levels

and yea slap juneau

[ripe latch]

shield for 5 torps its nothing

base trp team have 4+4+4

[ionic magnet]

aurora is an option too

[digital prism]

lvling up the juneau atm, when shes higher ill try her out

[shy hazel]

using french gang is easy

remove all except rich

[digital prism]

=/

[ionic magnet]

[digital prism]

i wreck solo rich teams tho

[shy hazel]

all for one one for all

[crude mortar]

step1. replacing saint with azuma cuz shes tankier
step2.since you have azuma you might want to boosher some damage and reduce torp damage,which is algerie.replace algerie with noshiro
3.since you have noshiro and azuma you might want jun for heal or yukikaze for amagi trigger

[digital prism]

lmao

[ripe latch]

nagato without radars get all hits on riche

[crude mortar]

I wanna try ibuki ayanami noshiro with dankeruq jean richy

triple torp meme triple preload

[ripe latch]

imagine if this vg can hit yuki

[shy hazel]

just try no one is stopping you

[crude mortar]

i dont have them

[shy hazel]

rip

easy solution

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

ask kiro to test them for you

[shy hazel]

if its memes kiro has it

in fact kiro is a meme

[vague token]

my power grows

[shy hazel]

i wonder tho

[crude mortar]

what have i done

[shy hazel]

isnt kanzaki like here for 5 months

youre missing what

noshiro?

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

lvl

[shy hazel]

your fault for being lazy

[crude mortar]

am I that lazy

[ripe latch]

around 1 month for lvl to 120

on pvp

[shy hazel]

yes lazy asf

have u seen kiros fleet

[crude mortar]

just only 4 day for me with alot of coffee

[shy hazel]

all meme ships are lvl 120

[crude mortar]

what

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

you dont even have 1/4 of kiro's meme ships

[crude mortar]

I am new player

[shy hazel]

new player is poor excuse

now work harder

[crude mortar]

what kiro fleet

[shy hazel]

dont let memes be dreams

[vague token]

accept the casual power within

[crude mortar]

wondering what ship kiro had

[vague token]

one sec

[shy hazel]

kiro fleet.tm to be shown soon

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/15b3db8330617bea19f79828e75aa051?token=42721287e71cb78f21332db36204f3be

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

[ripe latch]

taihou to tank ws kai

[shy hazel]

equaldpsmemepvpfleet.jpg

[vague token]

i prefer amagi over taihou but im trying out double cv

4 cuda

xD

[crude mortar]

does it deal alot of dmg at 20?

[shy hazel]

i dont understand the meme logic on why taihou is there

its probably the boobs youre after

[vague token]

it's tankier centaur

[ripe latch]

lazy man on kiro

[ionic magnet]

helena gang unite

[vague token]

i get more total cuda efficiency with taihou too

although 20% main penalty

taihou also has main fleet damage buff

instead of fp/avi, it's just +damage

[shy hazel]

[ripe latch]

use ark if u want more cuda

and b

[vague token]

dive cuda

better bulk/stats on taihou

[shy hazel]

you might as well make the meme heavier

and put bigger boob lusty there

[vague token]

she doesnt have a barrage

cant push more crash

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

also double fighter eww

if we get a cuda fighter

sure

[shy hazel]

we need to have a cv

that dont have aux slots

and has 5 plane slots

[vague token]

lul

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

so centaur then

asw planes

;)))))

[ripe latch]

5 fighter slots

[shy hazel]

make cvs in pvp rElEvAnT

[vague token]

hmm, i wonder if mechanically asw planes have crash damage

[shy hazel]

just realized

kitakaze has shit evasion

got ganked in escort daily

[vague token]

it's cause she has high hp

2nd most hp of all destroyers

[shy hazel]

i remember the time when zack uses ktkz in pvp

[vague token]

lul

[shy hazel]

pft

hp useless when it dies in auto pve

moreso in pvp

[vague token]

more eva than tashkent

[ripe latch]

one airstrike on pvp and she dead

[shy hazel]

isnt trashkent that one

for the slow memery then airstrike

[vague token]

no

that's shibuki

tashkent is the vodka destroyer that has crazy efficiency and a barrage that slows

[shy hazel]

guess shes crap in pvp

[vague token]

not as useful in pvp cause it caps at 15%

if the slow capped higher she could be useful but takes too long

just die to azuma

xD

[shy hazel]

when will we have a dd thats pvp worthy

its just nanoda until now

[ripe latch]

ayaya?

[vague token]

they'd have to shift the game towards dps for dds to be good

[shy hazel]

old meta

current big doubt

[ripe latch]

but work

[shy hazel]

in fact old meta javelin works better

pre aurora era

[light crystal]

Anyone seen this yet? Imagine going up against sweaty Enterprises https://clips.twitch.tv/ClearCorrectPeppermintFrankerZ

[vague token]

looks like level disadvantage

[shy hazel]

i dont watch clowns

[ripe latch]

[light crystal]

Level difference and quite subpar gear ofc lol

[crude mortar]

there we go my daily dose of dopamine

to cure my depression

[shy hazel]

stop playing then get a better hobby

[crude mortar]

but azur lane is the best game in the galaxy

[shy hazel]

no

[shy hazel]

yes

no

[ripe latch]

kiro fleets best fleets in the galaxy

[vague token]

hey now, im working on azuma dev 30 xD

probably another uh

[upper sparrow]

Dammit that low-quality memes kekw

[vague token]

2-3 months

[crude mortar]

low quality meme best meme

[upper sparrow]

u should wary about too

[coral wren]

theres alot of difference in that flamu shangrila clip but

evasion

[crude mortar]

why that guy say enterprise

I dont see any enty there

[light crystal]

Which guy

Well either way I wonder how serious he would take Exercises. If he does it for the lols, that's just as well. It's good entertainment watching him get demolished by sweaties lol

[harsh moon]

it so fun to use JdA against Nagaka

[proper sorrel]

better belfast

[naive dome]

when the ship wearing beaver badge dies, do the fleet lose the universal speed buff?

[proper sorrel]

nah

[shy hazel]

didnt realize odin torp is clickable

big meme

i smell kiro all over it

[undone tree]

For namaryuu, what’s the frontline? Ykkz, Jun, ?

And should I replace hiryuu for warkai?

[ripe latch]

put noshi

[undone tree]

That’s exactly what I did, thanks

[ripe latch]

if u play vs bb comps , ws kai better - other - hiryuu kai better

[ionic magnet]

azuma: am i a joke to you

[sterile bluff]

isn't namaspite better than namaryuu now?

according to the new tierlist

0 CV meta is near

[karmic forum]

Ws benefits a lot from 457

It was a toss-up before which one was better on offense but now I think namaspite has the edge

[sterile bluff]

imagine ws fdg amagi triple 457

[sterile bluff]

does double sg work for amagi?

i don't have rudder

nor vh

nor hpfcr

[karmic forum]

Who has beaver?

[sterile bluff]

not me

never LBed my fletchers

so double sg better or sg white?

for amagi?

i need u guys' guidance

[karmic forum]

Double SG then

Should be fine

Might as well double SG all of your BBs

[sterile bluff]

why not sg white tho

white also gives hit

and fp

[karmic forum]

SG gives more hit and some eva

[sterile bluff]

but no fp

amagi want fp doesn't she?

[karmic forum]

Makes your ships tankier and hit is more important than fp

[sterile bluff]

cuz BCs have lower fp

[karmic forum]

FP doesn't scale as well as hit

Also good opponents should have a lot of eva

The only ship that has an argument for white shell is ws kai

[frail orbit]

Mostly

By merit of being a backline threat

Most meta ships has enuff FP anyway

But lacks evasion
Which is the actual shit that is needed on PVP

As for FP itself, the more it got added, sure it became bigger in dmg output, but the increase' not big enuff to even justify getting their stats so big on PVP.

As I said beforehand, utility >>>> moar FP/TRP/AVI stats

[sterile bluff]

so double sg?

[vague token]

amagi has normal bb fp

not BC fp

she's a cheat

[frail orbit]

Which is already OP

[vague token]

xD

[frail orbit]

By BC standard

[sterile bluff]

...so double sg?

i need verbal confirmation

[frail orbit]

For my wife to get that kind of FP

Personally

HPFCR + rudder

[vague token]

i use double evasion cause i just need defense for my comps

but that doesnt fit most

[frail orbit]

Or else

[frail orbit]

SG + rudder

[vague token]

if you want to be aggressive double sg is fine

[sterile bluff]

aggressive?

[frail orbit]

These are what I ran on her anyway

[sterile bluff]

isn't sg defensive?

or balanced?

[frail orbit]

2sg is quite the offensive stance

Extra hit ya know

[sterile bluff]

isn't offensive double black? lol

[frail orbit]

Also no extra HP of rudder

That's not offensive by PVP standard

That's suicide

[sterile bluff]

lol

[frail orbit]

[sterile bluff]

but sg also has good eva right?

so it's balanced

offense and defense

[frail orbit]

Still quite the more offensive stance

For someone not named

[topaz blade]

for BB/BCs, should i use ap or he?

trying to decide between these guns for warspite

[crude mortar]

if enemy using alot of heavy then he

if enemy using medium then ap

if enemy using hiryuu then he

[topaz blade]

wait why HE vs hiryuu?

[frail orbit]

Burn baby burn

[sterile bluff]

yea but 457 exists

so always AP

even against light

jk

i'm at 31/50 now

[vague token]

oh i got cay

time to kill

xD

[shell heron]

wait

[vague token]

im at 9

[shell heron]

I should hold on doing my last 2 then

[vague token]

not enough time

[shell heron]

[vague token]

your juneau died before 15s xD

[shell heron]

I was doing my 4 remaining fights but not anymore

[vague token]

kek

[shell heron]

wait

I have her mid

[vague token]

rich cares not

rng bois

[shell heron]

[vague token]

azuma finished the rest of the health bar

[shell heron]

damn it azuma

tank better

[vague token]

arcing|tank

pick

xD

it's ok i had full vg going to your main at 23

helena double cv

;)))))

mmm someone with oxy torp squad

sitting ducks for preload

[sterile bluff]

ok wtf

why is amagi's barrage doing 0 dmg

????????????

[vague token]

rudder proc?

[sterile bluff]

ok by 0 i don't literally mean 0

i think it's double sg's problem

i knew it gave too little fp

[vague token]

amagi does like sub 500 damage to heavy

or maybe around 500

[shell heron]

this yukikaze won't die. a match lasted 1:12

[sterile bluff]

it was nowhere near 500

or it might be levels

[vague token]

probably levels

[sterile bluff]

or double sg 🙂

[vague token]

mine were all sub 30 except yours

had to wait for hiryuu

xD

[shell heron]

armor hiryuu for WS users

[vague token]

no i mean for the invuln

armor doesnt mean much vs helena double cv

man, im glad that even though i hate the armor break skill on dive cuda

it's still useful for something

[shell heron]

this season is going well. not even week 2 yet and only +1 per reset

[sterile bluff]

ok wtf

[vague token]

what are you at now?

we're probably in a similar scoreline

[sterile bluff]

i used double sg cuz i thought amagi could tank

[vague token]

again

[sterile bluff]

still gets hit by both of ws's shells

scammed

[vague token]

double sg is offensive

not defense

[sterile bluff]

it gives eva

[shell heron]

1416. not great but decent

[sterile bluff]

i rest my case

[vague token]

15 is less than half of rudder

not even half of badge

[sterile bluff]

15 is still 15 🙂

and i have 2

so 2 times 15 🙂

which is more than 29 🙂

[ionic magnet]

its not defensive if you dont have rudder

[vague token]

yes, and warspite has the highest base hit of all bbs and 90+ luck

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

double sg is paper

[sterile bluff]

she's not doing shit on offensive either 🙂

[vague token]

oh ok im 1413

[sterile bluff]

barrage takes like 10% of enemy's hp bar 🙂

[vague token]

yeah we're similar score line

[karmic forum]

Oh hey mango is back

[sterile bluff]

life is amazing 🙂

[ionic magnet]

and she wont do any better whatever you put in her by that metric

[vague token]

i swear cay and i are always around the same score until i sleep or game through a reset

xD

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

at least i can toss someone points

[ionic magnet]

im only getting +1 now

[vague token]

kek

[shy hazel]

thing is

every sandbagger is in the same line

has always been

[vague token]

no, hooloo is like 1430 or w/e i bet

[shell heron]

unless we scuff ourselves somehow

[ionic magnet]

1423 iirc

[vague token]

oh ok

i thought you were 20 over me

for some reason

just 10 xD

[ionic magnet]

yea

[karmic forum]

I remember Cay and Famine having trouble getting +2 last season

[ionic magnet]

but its still not week 2 and im on rank 30 already

dead resets incoming

[karmic forum]

Just expect to get +1 from here on out

[vague token]

just let me know if you get me

and ill donate points

kek

[karmic forum]

inb4 season dies by maint

[shy hazel]

thought so

pvp deader now

gotta convert more ppl to casuals

[ionic magnet]

busy grinding prs maybe

[shell heron]

collusion

[ionic magnet]

[karmic forum]

PvP will slowly die because they closed the gates to av

Might not see the effects now

[shy hazel]

urban legend

[karmic forum]

But in a year a lot of people will quit

[shy hazel]

my observation since i came back 2 week agos is

avrora scores are like 30% lower

than 6 months ago

[karmic forum]

Top scores seem to only be slightly lower

[vague token]

nothing wrong with collusion when muh bonus rng is like this

i shall play kingmaker jk

[shell heron]

really? let me post the last 3 cutoff scores

[karmic forum]

I don't collude but I don't have much problem with people colluding

2606 last season was an anomaly

I haven't seen a score that high in a while

[shy hazel]

the fact that sandbaggers get to top 20 on first day of week 2

[shy hazel]

means that ppl sandbag lesser now

[vague token]

dat shiny 1st though

[shell heron]

been higher than before. 85s don't cut it anymore

yes, give me that shiny r1

[shy hazel]

is fam even doing pvp sitll

[ionic magnet]

he got rank 1 last season

[shell heron]

I got scuffed by gensui last season

[karmic forum]

I haven't seen him on the leaderboards yet

Weren't you only a few points behind at that point?

[ionic magnet]

gensui is scary

what i observed is there are more mixed fleets now

and less of the classic namaryuu/namaspite

[karmic forum]

I see more hololive fleets now

[ionic magnet]

so easy rushes

[karmic forum]

I've seen three this season

None maxed but still its interesting

[ionic magnet]

ill check def fleets in top 100 again before season ends

last time its 50% namaryuu 25% memes 25% hms/uss

[karmic forum]

I've faced some WFC, nakaga, ws+hiryuu fleets, and the standard stuff

Lots of variety indeed

[ionic magnet]

yea and then french botes soon for sure

[karmic forum]

I've seen a few richelieu in non-french fleets as well

[ionic magnet]

oh yea its more like solo richie

[karmic forum]

Not many people seem to have 457 yet

Only seen one or two on defense so far, probably will see more as the season progresses

[ionic magnet]

im still waiting for someone to get ws amagi fdg with 457

zack said thats the best def in jp iirc

[karmic forum]

457 on ws or fdg?

[ionic magnet]

not sure actually

[karmic forum]

I'll probably have fdg ready in a 2-3 weeks

Depending on my research luck

[ionic magnet]

d30?

[karmic forum]

Yeah I'm rushing

[ionic magnet]

thats still pretty fast

you got 457?

[mint hornet]

457 goes on WS before fdg right?

[karmic forum]

I mean i'm rushing to d30 now

Shes dev 25 rn

I do have a 457 though

[ionic magnet]

idk but someone said fdg w/o 457 is not that good

cant remember who it was

[karmic forum]

Might be the case but I do know that ws with 457 is nutty

[mint hornet]

huh, i guess i'll stick with ws 457 until d30 fdg then

[ionic magnet]

or maybe that comp needs two 457s

[mint hornet]

since 3>2 salvos

[ionic magnet]

[karmic forum]

Yeah two 457s is optimal

But nobody on EN is going to get that

except phoenix

[mint hornet]

except phoneix

yea

LOL

[ionic magnet]

[karmic forum]

Fucking luccsacc

[mint hornet]

i'm at 4/50 with the 1st print being a week ago

[karmic forum]

I could try to rush PR3 then go back to PR2

[ionic magnet]

yea ill prolly switch to pr3 before i can get a 2nd 457

[karmic forum]

But I'm going to bank on them adding another way to get the 457

[ionic magnet]

they should but i doubt it

[karmic forum]

Or alternatively make a better 457

[mint hornet]

I want the boomer fcr that's in in pr3 and being 180 prints away from d30 azuma makes me want to leave pr2

[karmic forum]

Dev30 DRs over PR3

[mint hornet]

gotcha, ok

[karmic forum]

Nothing in PR3 is worth rushing for PvP purposes

[shell heron]

I'm gonna finish one 457 and dev30 azuma before pr3

Did pr3 really brought new normal ammo type with the CA guns

[karmic forum]

Yup

[ionic magnet]

thats the rainbow CA gun right

[shell heron]

And the other pr3 ca gun

[ionic magnet]

ah yea theres another one with normal ammo

[vague token]

"normal" ammo

with 115/115/95

"normal"

which is really annoying cause drake's skill calls it Special HE

they just dont want to have anything

[shy hazel]

Special HE

HAHAHA

as if al devs can code a new bullet type

[shell heron]

inb4 it's just adding burning % to that shell

[shy hazel]

no one will be getting that gun in 6 months anyways

bicc brain rainbow bp mechanic

how many do u need for that new gun again

50 pcs again?

gdi

[vague token]

i wont be seeing it for a year probably

also they did code a new bullet type

drake converts any normal/HE to special he

with the same as the new normal rainbow gun

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

they did twice the work

xD

🍝

[shy hazel]

carbonara

[vague token]

faceless using nepgun on his backline

weird

i see his 457 fdg though

4.6k crit on formidable lul, but doesnt matter xD

man his fdg just doesnt aim at vg lol

strangely doesnt matter as double cv just kinda beefs through

https://gyazo.com/98632e2bad725937ef9b67c8ea9aafbb

the true power of radar boost

xD

he has crazy luck though, his fdg never aims vg

oh, somehow game detected a match even though wifi was off on emu

on one of the losses

weird

rip

i think rich/amagi/formi would be better here for sure

[ionic magnet]

so you lost 1 charge?

rip

[vague token]

yeah

still, for a meme it did pretty well

it's around the 6:4 zone

if fdg didnt aim main 99% of the time

would be better

i saw at least 4 4k-5k crits

probably more

i think with amagi/rich debuffs active i could push a crit under 4k

he's using rudder noshiro

[ionic magnet]

is his fdg d30?

[vague token]

yes

d30/457

[ionic magnet]

i wanna test vs a 457 too

[vague token]

it hurts like hell

[ionic magnet]

i might have to swap centaur soon

[vague token]

5k crit on formidable btw

no rich fire

centaur will die

horribly

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

cant 1 shot on radar boost

nagato is usually low, depends on when juneau dies

his torps also kept hitting the fdg target

which was really annoying

but rudder noshiro folds pretty quick, his vg never stuck around even on losses

it's literally just fdg hard carrying

amagi doesnt do damage cause triple heavy

nagato's biggest danger is 1st barrage killing your own juneau

cause if you dont run juneau lead

fdg will kill a backliner

before juneau goes

and since it doesnt have targeting rules, you cant predict/tank it

so juneau lead is mandatory but also big gamble

[ionic magnet]

wait what comp is he using?

namagi fdg?

[vague token]

yeah

juneau/ykkz/noshiro

it's a bit easy to snipe his juneau

cause he's skimping on boiler

rudder nosh

xD

[ionic magnet]

oh interesting

yea jun lead on def is not that good

[vague token]

but if a torp hits your main

fdg will make them cry

it works quite well

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

it only takes 1 torp from either noshiro or ykkz to do 2k+ and then follow up with an fdg crit of 5k

and you're already sub 50%

i think if i was to run rich/amagi/formidable, i would have a higher win rate

i would push his fdg damage too low

plus the evasion

[sour oasis]

Ugh. Never ever step away from pvp. I thought I finally stumbled on an easy fight with Enty & Foxes backline. I stepped away and found Enty had killed everyone.

[vague token]

xD

but yeah that's my impression of namagi/fdg

definitely stronger than hiryuu

hiryuu doesnt spike you as hard as a 5k crit to the face

i think his vg is probably suboptimal

honestly you could probably run helena with that fdg

and just 100% delete someone

sg helena will force delete a main like what

25% of the time

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

about 30% chance to crit

60% chance to radar

bit less

probably like 15

xD

of course if your fdg shoots vg

you cry

he like never shot at my vg =//

but yeah pretty gross defense

kinda want to try rich/amagi/fdg vs it

but no 457 and no dev 30

so i guess 3 months later probs

[ionic magnet]

i'll test too when i meet him

why roon

[vague token]

cause he has bad taste

[coral wren]

roon

[light crystal]

The Legendary 70P Difference.

[shy hazel]

using roon isnt bad taste

its shit taste

[frail orbit]

[vague token]

to be fair, taihou was used purely as an alternative over centaur

since she doesnt die as fast to gun

sadly her skill doesnt work on ap

[sterile bluff]

lmao

[upper sparrow]

Lmao my side hurt

[sterile bluff]

i belong to neither of these

[shell heron]

@crude mortar I see you one point up of me. Can't tell if you're sandbagging or rushed

[vague token]

oops there go more matches lul

[crude mortar]

bag

[shell heron]

Good. Now I know to how to keep track of you

[ripe latch]

[glacial shuttle]

Which fleet is better to use offensively and in Defense

between Namaspite and Namaryuu

[coral wren]

id say the former for offense and the latter for defense

[frail orbit]

@crude mortar how much u got now

[ripe latch]

between Namaspite and Namaryuu
@glacial shuttle fdg ws amag
work always

[glacial shuttle]

sure if I had FdG at d20

focusing on Azuma first

[ripe latch]

[coral wren]

d20 fdg

[light crystal]

Ok, FDG gun aside, is MLE 1938 better than Izumogun (410x3 10th Year), as far as AP goes?

[ripe latch]

purple twin > other ( fdg gun aside)

[light crystal]

I'm using Izumogun on WK

Champ gun is basically better Medium/Heavy damage than Izumogun, at the cost of slightly less Light damage. But as you want WK to be murdering the opposite Main fleet, I guess that's what you'd want

Obviously, older players are going to have a 457mm before they get a Champgun, so they'd put that on their WK as it's superior anyway

But newer players who might be focusing on PR3 stuff instead may get access to Champ gun first over 457mm I suppose

It's gonna be helpful having a Champgun too, more flexibility in swapping BB guns, including 457mm, between PvE and PvP as needed

Sad thing the new 305mm is useless all around tho lol

[whole terrace]

@shy hazel i found ur fleet but its not doing very well

VH azuma

[shy hazel]

no fleet does well in defense

what you smoking

[whole terrace]

idk man it just felt a lot weaker than the strongest namaryuu's

[hot creek]

Torp meme + Namagiryuu and DD aux on the backliners is the best defense comp.

[whole terrace]

sumire uesaka's fleet kinda kicks my ass. Though they have dev 30 azuma now

[naive dome]

what do you mean by "DD aux on the backliners"?

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

oh

bonkers

sumire left this channel

well i can always make life harder for ppl

gotta ask my slave hooloo to tell me whats the dankiest fleet and gears

[whole terrace]

[ripe latch]

better use kiro fleets for def

[shy hazel]

my azuma is dev 27.8 fdg is dev 25

still long journey

maybe i can get 2nd rainbow gun

[hot creek]

@naive dome DD secondary guns on Amagi and Nagato. They're best on defense but sub-optimal for offense

[naive dome]

oh gotcha

[shy hazel]

phx come avrora

[hot creek]

Maybe next season, if you can take care of the first two days, since Im busy until the 21st.

[zenith tundra]

dd aux aren't even good on defense. vs speed vg they can miss every shoot when vg moves vertically

[crude mortar]

@shell heron it was 4/10 cuz I was sleepy and thought I done the 5th but its 6th

[ripe latch]

looks like someone play kiro fleets

[safe meteor]

that new PR3 HE BB gun useful?

seems to fire a bit better than the twin 406 from PR2

less than 1 and a half sec slower than the Hood gun for better shelling dmg

[hot creek]

DD aux are still defintely better on defense and possibily even on offense if you plan on trading VGs often. speed does not magically let you avoid aux fire when you're forced to go up close to enemy backline after vg is gone, unless you have perfect AI. and its not like CL secondaries are going to somehow be more effective in that regard anyways. DD aux will always more effective in that situation, which is why they're better for the defending team since defender cant take advantage of the CL range anyways. DD aux finish off whatever remaining VG you have left a lot faster than CL aux.

[safe meteor]

do DD aux reach the enemy vanguard at the start of battle? i usually equip CL to take a few potshots

[hot creek]

We are talking in the context of defense where aux guns only matters after the defender's VG is gone. Due to the proximity of the VG battle, the defender's aux guns arent going to reach the enemy VG during the VG battle regardless if they use CL range or not, so the best option is to prepare for when defender's VG is gone and whats leftover of enemy VG is up in your backliner's face. DD aux will shred them to pieces way faster than any CL aux can even get close to in that regard.

[midnight heron]

ive seen enemy cl guns fire at vg tho so im scared

[hot creek]

Yeah well those little times the defending team is able to fire their CL aux during the VG battle will usually miss anyways unless you VG is slow or your AI is absolute ass.

[safe meteor]

oh, but you said "even on offense"

so i am wondering if i should use DD gun then if it's good for both

[hot creek]

"even on offense if you plan on trading VG's"

[safe meteor]

isnt it super bad to trade VG? the enemy usually hits your main fleet with torps

[hot creek]

Not if you have Hiryuu. In some cases its actually great for the Hiryuu to lose their VG early.

[safe meteor]

eeh, if you use Hiryuu, it gonna take a quite a bit longer to kill their vanguard

[hot creek]

Two backliners with DD aux is defintely still fast enough to shred the remaining VG to pieces.

[safe meteor]

we testing that now?

138.6 DD gun?

[hot creek]

Sure you can test if you want. Yeah go with the french DD gun, the USS one is still good as well.

[safe meteor]

wait, who is testing this?

[hot creek]

You wanted to. I already know what the results will be.

[hot creek]

I mean I guess I could set up some footage later if I find a decent defense but its not difficult to extrapolate that DD guns have way more DPS than CL guns and in a situation where both are well within range to hit the enemy, the DD gun will perform better.

[midnight heron]

damn so generous free bp lul

[sour oasis]

That's like an entire rank.

Unless you're on 29 or Fate unlock. Then enjoy your prison

[hot creek]

Where are the free 457 bps?

Gimme those instead.

[zenith tundra]

also dd guns dps is not better then seattle vs medium and won't hit a solo yukikze flying around anyway

don't use dd guns

[inner zenith]

@hot creek u dont need a 3rd one. 😭

but i agree

[hot creek]

Except they do hit solo yukis just fine. What makes you think Seattle gun would do better in that regard anyways? If a solo yuki can dodge the DD bullets, those CL ones arent gonna do much better. Youll just be stuck with slow rate of fire and worse dps.

[zenith tundra]

the problem is the pattern. 2 parallel shoots suck vs moving targets

they always miss when target moves

mle is even worse vs moving targets anyway

and dd guns have not been meta since nepgun. dunno why bother now shilling them

[hot creek]

Im not saying they'll have perfect accuracy but the sheer amount of bullets and crossfiring are still gonna out dps any CL gun.

this is in the context of defense may I remind you.

[zenith tundra]

unless u prove that dd guns will outperform cl there is no discussion tbh

every twin 130 i saw just literally misses every shoot it shoots anyway

i know defense but doesn't make them better unless ships just ram into backlines which is just rng

and even then vs azuma is same dps as seattle gun

[hot creek]

they do often get that close tho. and idk why you're even bothering to bring Azuma into the equation since she'll usually gone at this point and you say same dps anyways. Fine then if you want visuals, i will give you visuals.

[zenith tundra]

idk what u mean by azuma is long gone. my azuma survives just fine vs meta to get to backline and not even die sometimes

[hot creek]

Azuma surviving that long happens about half the time. At most.

But since you use Juneau front it makes sens your VG might survive a little longer. Personally I'd rather not have Juneau overheal the backline.

[zenith tundra]

the only team u ever use juneau mid is mirror namagi fdg

everything else is unimportant

namaryuu doesn't have enough dmg to beat u and any ws team is better juneau lead anyway

even amagi ws fdg is hard to justify using juneau mid not to mention that richy variant is straight better with juneau lead in any case

[sterile bluff]

so we get a whopping total of 6 DR bps...

lmao wtf

is that it or r there gonna be more "free bps" in the future?

i certainly hope there's more

[hot creek]

Literally all it takes for your Juneau to pop early is one unfortunate enemy Nagato barrage. Plus you have so many other things counting against lead Juneau, typical shelling RNG, torp RNG. Juneau front is not gonna do you much favors against Hiryuu either when shes popping off her doubles airstrikes and their 2nd wave of torps are coming while airstrikes melting your VG. Lead Juneau will sink before your backline takes damage from the double airstrike.

[elder crane]

idk, the risk of Azuma/ykkz dying before Juneau is too high imo

If your vanguard eats Nagato barrage, you need to heal up Azuma/ykkz anyways imo

[hot creek]

Azuma dying first is acceptable. Much more acceptable than a massive overheal from Juneau.

Yukikaze will be fine. Unless really bad RNG.

[elder crane]

esp ykkz, I don't care about some 10%ish overheal on ships who don't need that HP when it means my ykkz isn't popping her 10% heal on a ship that needs it, isn't drawing fire/bombs, and isn't providing her Dred

same for Azuma, on providing DpS and baiting shots/bombs

ykkz is not fine if your vanguard fails to dodge shells/barrage/bombs/torps, and neither is Azuma really

if she is, most likely juneau is fine too

for defense, lead jun is no-no mostly due to BB aux guns imo

really, 10% HP on the main fleet ship that dies last is whatever
as long as the full heal procs on Warkai focus, it's fine

[sterile bluff]

what's a good vg tank besides azuma and noshiro?

im using belfast rn

with bulge

[elder crane]

which mid jun on offense will not uncommonly fail to do, heal before warkai focuses her target down

Sheff, Sanrui, Nep are all generally considered small upgrades to Bel

[hot creek]

yukikaze will be fine because she gets the full heal from mid Juneau anyways regardless of Azuma's situation. In fact, lead Juneau has a risk of overhealing ykkz as well, not just backline

[elder crane]

idk about you but it's much more common that ykkz somehow dies before Jun than ykkz getting overhealed, lol

[sterile bluff]

what's good about sanrui and nep? Just curious

[elder crane]

Sanrui has CL speed and a fat evasion boost
nep is just a very tanky CL

[sterile bluff]

is it cuz of nep's zombie skill?

[elder crane]

yeah, if you count in the zombie, her HP pool is CA-tier

[sterile bluff]

would jintsuu work if i have juneau and yuki?

[karmic forum]

I used lead Juneau because if things go wrong, they usually go wrong very early so I can reset

[elder crane]

Jint is okay, she's more offensively oriented though

[sterile bluff]

hmmm

[karmic forum]

I've lost ticks because I used lead Azuma and Juneau failed to proc before my main died

[sterile bluff]

cuz i have neither of nep and sanrui at d30, and i don't have sheff

[hot creek]

And a backliner getting sniped by WSk before mid Juneau can heal pretty much only happens mostly when you're facing a full HMS shelling fleet. In which case, you'll win anyways even with one backliner gone early.

[elder crane]

dev25 is fine enough, probably(?) better than Jint if team mostly needs stall

???
just a Warkai will do that decently often by herself lol

why do you think just about any team has the potential to slot her in, even without much direct support for her lol

[sterile bluff]

rip i just have d22 sanrui

is that still better than belfap?

[elder crane]

Btw if we follow CN/JP schedule soonish we get a free 30 neptune prints

[sterile bluff]

oh wait i forgot about the catchup mechanic

lol

ok yea ill d30 them in no time

[karmic forum]

That's one whole DR bp

[sterile bluff]

tbh i feel like the free 6 DR bps they r giving us is just an insult at this point

[elder crane]

if your team mostly needs stall, Bel should be better

[sterile bluff]

bel better?

than d30 sanrui or nep?

[elder crane]

better than Jint

[sterile bluff]

but sanrui or nep still better than bel right?

if i want stall

[elder crane]

Yeah

[sterile bluff]

ok

[elder crane]

at dev 25, debateable, but probably still so

[sterile bluff]

so who is better nep or sanrui? I only have enuf bp to d30 one of them

a lot of my pr1 catchup bps went to roon already

[karmic forum]

Oh wait we are getting 6 Dr bps

[sterile bluff]

yea lmao

[elder crane]

For PvP, Nep should be better right now, given Aurora doesn't exist basically
but Sanrui by far the better ship in PvE, esp if you have Richi

[karmic forum]

I'll gladly take those

[sterile bluff]

wait rly?

sanrui better in pve?

[elder crane]

Sanrui has the highest vs light armor DpS of all CAs right now

[sterile bluff]

dude 6 DR bps is 0.5% progress i think

[karmic forum]

I still consider Phoenix more useful than nep

[elder crane]

and Richi boosts that even higher

[sterile bluff]

yea but idrc about light armor dps

i want heavy dps

[karmic forum]

Not having MGM+1 really hurts her

[elder crane]

Nep is meant for full teams basically, or near so

[sterile bluff]

that's good

i like full teams

[elder crane]

PR cost and no MGM+1

[karmic forum]

Yeah but who needs a zombie for full teams?

[elder crane]

???

[sterile bluff]

i do...

a lot...

[karmic forum]

Just use a healer in that case

[elder crane]

unless you run Ryuuhou you need a lot more healing on lead VG

[sterile bluff]

i already do...

[elder crane]

Nep with healer still outlasts any nonzombie with healer

[sterile bluff]

w13 shreds apart my vg, uni alone isn't enuf

[elder crane]

easily

[sterile bluff]

also nep has rly good torps right?

for CL

and good barrage

[elder crane]

not IJN tier, but the best you'll get outside of IJN basically, yeah

the best CL barrage

[sterile bluff]

ok yea so pretty good then lol

[elder crane]

by far

[sterile bluff]

i see

so nep outDPS sanrui vs heavy?

[elder crane]

if you manual, yes

if not, lol

[golden fable]

[sterile bluff]

yea so speaking of pvp

[elder crane]

well, tbf I think Leip solidly beats her too

have you not looked at Leip torps?

[sterile bluff]

i just got leip lol

like yesterday

for roon

[elder crane]

175% eff torps backed by 325 base torp stat with 10% cruiser buff for torps (and reload/firepower)

[sterile bluff]