pvp

[crude mortar]

and enemt sending hell driver

[zenith tundra]

reading the skill she is placed there. she only moves when she dies

[crude mortar]

and vg running back

shes so dead?

if vg running back the moment they sending hell driver

isn't odin just exploded

cuz if it works like this odin might just die first airstrike

she can block nagato barrage

and she forced enemy warspite to hit fdg first

[zenith tundra]

u need actual test to see what happens tbh

also odin has a 2.7k lighting that can hit everyone caught in the middle of the screen

[crude mortar]

she also die to this too

wait

bb gun had minimum range

so if enemy vg come close

she just ignore enemy vg

and shot their backline

all 3 hit!!!

[zenith tundra]

7k hp doesn't mean u die to everything instantly. cv would just evaporate if it was so

[crude mortar]

all 3 salvo just ignore their vg

if vg come close

isn't it

cuz bb had minimum bbgun range

better than warspite!!!11

[coral wren]

how good is this buff ?

for Georgia

[crude mortar]

just 10% more dmg to cv

everything else is the same

[coral wren]

so the maingun spread was on her 1st skill already ?

I thought she had even more spread decrease

rofl

that sucks then

[crude mortar]

why ever waste time focusing georgia anyway

her dev30 just give 60 AA

thats it

5luck

[sterile bluff]

Dude... georgia has the best fatesim lol...

It adds CVs and CVLs to her hunted list

That means she has a buff against every med/heavy armor ship type now

[frail orbit]

863 5/10 keks

So much rusher smhw for today keks

[crude mortar]

how

you were 1 point above me

what kind of black magic you use

im 805 8/10

[frail orbit]

@crude mortar lucky bracket

Could've been 866/865 but natch, am too sleepy now, already 12am now since am on utc+8 atm

[past egret]

Does anyone have the Mainz Ausewagon skill barrage clipped ?

Not the barrage that breaks the shield

[midnight heron]

cant wait to see pr3 kick my ass in pvp

[past egret]

The one for being in a non foremost position

[zenith tundra]

u mean this
https://streamable.com/31xnj5

[past egret]

Yea, thank you

@zenith tundra if you put Mainz in rear position, and every other ship in vanguard dies and only Mainz is left, does that switch her position to front and switch her skill?

Also Champaign looks disgustingly good with her rate of fire

[zenith tundra]

i don't think it works that way. seattle still keep her dr even when solo after the other 2 died

game shouldn't change ship position mid battle

[past egret]

Bummer that would of been cool to work with

Anyways another question do you think 457 Champaign will become a super DPS ship

[zenith tundra]

idk even with half cd she only shoot 2/3 times of a 3 mgm bb

seems like a dps loss to me no matter what

and there is no real benefit from spamming ap. at least with he u can set multiple ships on fire because spam

[elder crane]

In PvP, hell no

her DpS doesn't stack up at all

in PvE, the manual-aim-all-shots thingy and the buffs make her fairly interesting
nothing super outstanding probably, but should be solidly at the top

[zenith tundra]

do u even need to manual her when all her shoots are slow down?

[vague token]

lul

[elder crane]

That's what I mean by that

they're all "manually aimed" with the slow down, so makes hitting generally much more consistent

roughly factoring that in, she's competitive with top options in PvE DpS-wise

in PvP that doesn't come into play at all, which means her DpS is LOL

[zenith tundra]

ok i didn't think about that meaning auto slow down shoots

[light crystal]

But blue, us thst ur concensus alone, or is that wut multiple ppl r telling u

I feel theres some sort of potential yet for Champ in pvp. Probably nothing crazy, but something at last lol

[vague token]

she'd be fun if her timed barrage was the gun shot barrage

so you could spam main fleet focus barrage with a fast cd gun

[zenith tundra]

u mean she'd be fun if she was actually good and not just a gimmick...

[vague token]

kek

No Fun Allowed

Use FDG and Azuma

xD

ill still have fun using odin at least

if she pops up in research ill go for her bps when there are no azuma/fdg

[empty grove]

2 minute battle default cause of splashscreen art on fire

[zenith tundra]

champagne is a dps loss at a cost of a frail bb with medium armor.

i can't see 1 good point for her

[vague token]

i dont understand why she has a damage share skill

like, sodak makes sense

in terms of both history and gameplay

[empty grove]

I learnt to not question anything they do ship wise

[vague token]

champagne is always going to drop to 75% instantly in pvp

[zenith tundra]

they had to give her something i guess

[empty grove]

Stops the headaches

[vague token]

even if she did do amazing damage

just on torp opener she'll drop because flag ate a torp

so her low hp is even lower

[zenith tundra]

nah flag will eat torp and then she'll eat a torp too

[vague token]

yeah

i dunno who to use on flag for team Odin is With Us

tosa would be the other side

cause her barrage is always centered

xD

[zenith tundra]

i would like to try bismark fdg odin

meta speaking tho i have no clue what would even work with odin

[velvet oracle]

how about fdg amagi odin

[vague token]

odin doesnt get anything out of biscuit

her most important damage is a barrage

which isnt given a crit boost

only primaries get crit boost from biscuit =/

no fp boost so it doesnt get a damage buff

=/

her torps will crit 20% more i guess?

xD

[zenith tundra]

yeah but is not like anyone else matter for odin anyway

[vague token]

helena is the only one that buffs her

[zenith tundra]

might as well boost fdg

[vague token]

i guess i could put amagi mid

[zenith tundra]

if it happens that helena procs and u hit something instead of open water

[vague token]

she'd be screened by odin anyways

it goes in a straight line

[zenith tundra]

too rng to rely on helena

[vague token]

either you hit vg

or you hit flag

she's perfectly centered

[zenith tundra]

that barrage is not that strong tho

[vague token]

240 base with 150 armor mods?

[zenith tundra]

should be around 2.7k dmg

it's 1 attack

[vague token]

it pierces

if the vg goes in front

just nuke everyone

xD

otherwise it's still a chunk off the flag

[zenith tundra]

yeah but still rng

at this point it's pure rng whatever u hit vg or not or whatever helena procs or not

[vague token]

i mean it's a meme

it isnt supposed to be good

it's supposed to be Flag Die

[zenith tundra]

main dmg is not that good to warrant using helena for it

[vague token]

if only biscuit got the black hole instead of her garbo barrage

[zenith tundra]

if it was broken like ws 1st barrage sure but 2.7kx1.4=3.8k

[vague token]

i mean, given how safe flag position is, that's still like 1/5 of an 8k hp flag

maybe toss in monarch barrage and just rush down flag xD

[zenith tundra]

u kill nagato and then die to hiryuu lasting forever

[vague token]

kek

like i said, it'll be funny for memes, not a good fleet

im content with my rich/formi comp

[ripe latch]

hm mainz barrage not bad

@zenith tundra have list of new guns?

[zenith tundra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/352975182065041410/730667130164609104/foQ5-ibhZrT3cS1by-1ce.png

check at the bottom for equip

[ripe latch]

406/50 24.02 hm

[zenith tundra]

that's ap. better triple 410 gun

[jovial sedge]

Do we know which pr3 ship is a must for pvp?

[finite valve]

all useless

if anything is niche usage / waifu

for pvp azuma and fdg still best

[jovial sedge]

Fuckin azuma

<

Well guess ill exp her : /

[ebon schooner]

Yea

You should get on that

[ripe latch]

baguette fleet maybe not bad

[crude mortar]

alergie immune to torp meme!!!11

*algerie

[vague token]

rich is good on her own

the rest of baguettes are not

[frail orbit]

927 5/10

[crude mortar]

yoon is a h*cker confirmed

[vague token]

[crude mortar]

imagine getting 4 bonus every reset

[ionic magnet]

imagine getting bonus every reset

[crude mortar]

[empty owl]

Are eather of the 2 British cruisers worth it for PvP

[shy hazel]

[frail orbit]

@crude mortar thats what I call
The power of lanciau

[crude mortar]

caunm

[shy hazel]

pfft lanciau

your pvp fleet is one

[frail orbit]

No u peco

No d30 fdg = smol lanciau fleet lah

[midnight heron]

tf man just fought someone whose wskai hits my hiryuu for 4k per barrage shell tf?

how is dat even possible

ive never even hit 5k per shell as offense and im expected to believe dis is possible from a def fleet

unoathed and using he twin guns

i call fking bs

[vague token]

double shell

[midnight heron]

with the shown hit rate i rly doubt it

[upper sparrow]

Haloist with his rng

[frail orbit]

My bracket Formi Essex Centaur Enty Sara lah

[sterile bluff]

5k hits r on the low end pretty sure

on med armor at least

5335 per shell if u only have white shell

[midnight heron]

well if u say so imma go test it and see if its true

[sterile bluff]

202.4 * 1.3 * 1.5 * (0.8(1.15)(446+145)+100)/100 * 2.1 = 5335

wait hold on seattlegun gives 10 less fp than other guns so it's +135 fp instead of +145

202.4 * 1.3 * 1.5 * (0.8(1.15)(446+135)+100)/100 * 2.1 = 5259

[frail orbit]

Any rusher name there?

[midnight heron]

lord aku tak tahu

[narrow meadow]

I think rainy

avrora?

[frail orbit]

@midnight heron wait yer indo/malay?

Aing meuni rush bae dah zzz

[upper sparrow]

Lmao

[midnight heron]

no im not

[light crystal]

Respect the OG-ness.

🇫

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

Well, finally leveled Richi enough to test this out, and, well
My theorycraft does better than I expected lol
https://youtu.be/5XmLJ5ojY8s

Hiryuu hard carry basically

I've seen a few even more lopsided than that

[whole terrace]

interessant

didn't realise you were an arknights content creator

what were ur thoughts behind the ship choices? @elder crane

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

Basically "make way for Hiryuu you plebs"
Anyways, I starting thinking about Richi actually offers over other options, or like, mostly what she offers over Amagi

The main thing is her preload, and accuracy buff without needing a second ship (Nagato), given Frenchies are not usually viable in PvP

Pair her with JB, and that's a vanguard deletion machine, ideally. JB really kinda doesn't do all that much, just gives more rolls at nuking vanguard early - but not like there's any better options? With Richi buff, she's surprisingly tanky it seems as well.

Well, nice that vanguard is dead now, but how do you take advantage of that? Here enters Hiryuu - if she gets off uncontested final counter, then enemy main fleet just evaporates.

Azuma is the strongest anti-vanguard vanguard. Yes, stronger than Ibuki - I ran the two together with Noshiro before, and Azuma does more average dmg than Ibuki does by ~ 15 s in, and more consistently.

Noshiro for more blowing shit up, especially(?) Azuma, as well as being able to take advantage of deleting enemy vanguard early by facetorping main fleet. Tbh, doesn't really work out that well I think? I might swap to leading with her with pearl/oxy instead of defensive aux.

Aurora to support that - she's incredibly powerful for blowing up yukikaze (and now also Noshiro). She was actually meta for a while in Namaryuu - the main issue with her currently is that Azuma nukes her too fast - but that's fine for this team, she just needs to boost Richi+JB preloads.
She's the most questionable option here - maybe Ibuki would be better? I think she occasionally dies before opponent ykkz takes much dmg at all.

I think this is another team that's not going to work well on defense - maybe if you switch to Ibuki for torps, then hope Richi/JB RNG well?
Vanguard deletion is fairly tight dmg-wise, and Richi/JB secondaries I'm pretty sure chip in quite a bit

[whole terrace]

Azuma is the strongest anti-vanguard vanguard
agreed

[elder crane]

12 s in, guns + barrage, shit just gets chunked hard
especially with Aurora debuff and Noshiro buff

[whole terrace]

Aurora's really good at that too but she also dies herself

[elder crane]

Yeah, current environment is too hostile for her to get value usually, but hey, french preloads!

[whole terrace]

That one loss was partially aurora's fault imo

failing to kill azuma

[elder crane]

Azuma doesn't get hit by Aurora's debuff

if only

At least once rest of vanguard is stripped off, her lower speed kinda makes in difference in her getting hit by ryuus/BB shells

[whole terrace]

I do think juneau or yukikaze would do better in her place

Backline protection over vanguard damage

[elder crane]

Enemy Yukikaze is if you don't run her though

[whole terrace]

Yukikaze is so good at stalling

[elder crane]

also who cares about backline surviability, this team wins by trading out vanguard and then Hiryuu hard carry

I'm considering nerfing vanguard survivability harder, that might actually work out better

good ole suicide vanguard, just needs 2 main fleet ships in support as well to work in current meta

only issue with that is I do need my Hiryuu to counter after theirs

Pearl/Oxy Noshiro lead, and double gyro Azuma at the rear

[upper sparrow]

Double gyro

[ionic magnet]

thats some kgv flashbacks right there

i dont think it would work as much if you remove aurora

yukikaze is too much of a cockroach and everybody runs her

not to mention she helps kill juneau even faster

but yea just like kgv i dont think french preload is a threat to VGs at all in defense

still looks solid tho but def not a t0 candidate

[frail orbit]

Thats surprising tho to use Aurora

Like what
It's only viable bkoz of Azuma tbh

Anyway
1019 8/10, time to rush remaining 3? Need my daily rosary devotion there and too sleepy smhw keks

[inner quiver]

is there a comparison of sanrui vs noshiro as 3rd frontline somewhere

[ripe latch]

[sterile bluff]

lmao how good is odin's lightning spear in pvp

[vague token]

is jb really amazing over using like formidable or something with rich

since rich guns sync

like im using rich/amagi/formi, two debuffs really helps aurora make it to 19-20s

after which you have a 50/50 of instant vg deletion outside of ykkz rng

and even then she's now on big fire

any preload damage is extra chip if it hits

i guess i could try rich/hiryuu/formi too

[ripe latch]

aurora carry its really meme

[elder crane]

Tempo is too slow for that
Trading blow-for-blow with Namagi will just leave you wrecked if they barrage well, and you need more reliability than that for offense
You're really leaning on Hiryuu to finish things, and she's best in a fast-tempo match

Also idk how your aurora consistently makes it to 20 s

that just adds even more unnecessary RNG

I think if you optimize this setup properly, you should be able to reach around what the mirror gives for offense winrate vs Namaryuu, or NamaWSkai offense vs Namaryuu

that's my goal for all of my setups, I prefer to not build trash memes

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

unless it's torp, it's not hard for aurora mid to hide away from the barrages with two fp debuffs on the field

unless you literally walk into everything

or just put juneau lead and kill her off early

xD

[elder crane]

torps ofc exist, but some unlucky BB shelling, Nagato barrage, or even just too many Azuma shots kill her

[vague token]

yes, but that goes both ways since rich is there to also shoot their juneau/ykkz back

without an extreme cd penalty afterwards like jb

[elder crane]

JB just gets in her like 30-40% for autowin (it seems), and her secondaries provide a fair bit of pressure

I have strong doubts about Formi being better than her

[vague token]

i mean, i use cuda dive setup

dont need any dice rolls xD

[elder crane]

She's also tankier than Formi, for stalling out WSkai a bit

[ripe latch]

2 bonuses roll or not

[vague token]

i use amagi for stalling wskai

maybe i should move armor to amagi and use rudder azuma

[elder crane]

Armor Azuma
Doesn't your team just randomly explode to torps then lol

[vague token]

no?

torps just die to getting shot

azuma has too much hp unless she catches literally each one

and like 1% of people actually have a good ibuki

[elder crane]

mmmm idk about that, I've had non-Armor Azuma be 1-shot through Noshiro protection

[vague token]

i mean, that's what juneau lead can be used for xD

[karmic forum]

Should be worried about Noshiro instead of Ibuki

[elder crane]

That's with Jun lead

[vague token]

sounds like rng

but i dont see good torp comps often so

[karmic forum]

The torp comps with noshiro/jintsuu/ykkz are scarier than ones with ibuki

[vague token]

if they go oxy like smol brain people do, they're too slow to avoid getting preloaded

and with aurora on field

they die

it's fine to trade azuma for a vg wipe

[elder crane]

that's the point
why settle for "loses to RNG" on offense
I only want to settle for comps with 80+% winrates vs anything, personally

[vague token]

i mean, that's why i could consider hiryuu, for anti oops

[elder crane]

mmm, running Hiryuu like this usually weakens rest of team enough that you need to lean on her

Richi doesn't do too well in the endgame herself either, so fairly important Hiryuu makes it there

[ripe latch]

richi formi cent/hiryuu

[vague token]

my damage splits are usually 3 way between azuma/rich/formidable, mostly because amagi is beaver/rudder

xD

cause azuma can live a long time with the extra debuff

and actually land hits on high evasion cause aurora

if only there were better vg debuffs outside of kizuna and lena

[elder crane]

I have strong doubts over that
Other than steamrolls, Azuma never comes close to main fleet carries in most anything I've run

[vague token]

oh maybe i should try swiftsure

[elder crane]

Swiftsure is NG

her debuff is ST only, and shot volume is low enough that her uptime on one target is barely acceptable

[vague token]

oh is it duration based?

[elder crane]

split on 3 VG, and with the higher evarates in PvP, well

doesn't end well lmoa

[vague token]

i thought it was just a slow stacking debuff

[elder crane]

no, it's a low chance to proc for a short duration every time she hits something with her guns

non-stacking, just refreshes

[vague token]

guess im trapped with aurora and chappy forever

[elder crane]

She's just good for PvE vs bosses

[coral wren]

Sorry for what I assume is an faq, but how is this guy's fleet power so low? Did he just remove their guns?

[elder crane]

since that's the only situation when she might be able to get enough uninterrupted firing time at a single target to be consistent enough

[vague token]

no gear

[elder crane]

Seems like no gear, yeah

[vague token]

like at all

[coral wren]

Why do that though

[elder crane]

could be using it elsewhere, might just be feeling generous for start of season, who knows

[vague token]

cause defense doesnt matter atm

[karmic forum]

Hes also announcing that he isn't using a meta fleet on offense

[vague token]

i mean he could swap the gear in to do his matches

[elder crane]

(does anyone do that? lol)

[vague token]

it's possible

he could be the literal only person

xD

[karmic forum]

Or he has two sets of PvP ships

[vague token]

that too

that is the obvious answer

but mine is more fun

xD

[coral wren]

Well, I fought him, and other than the WarKai destroying my backline my 12k/12k fleet destroyed him (as expected)

[elder crane]

Wait, is new CM season up?

[karmic forum]

Yeah

[vague token]

yep

[elder crane]

ok, that's probably why

stole equip for CM

I do that all the time, CM or EX comes up, PvP is unequiped when I fight that

[vague token]

oh boi a bonus

[elder crane]

Can't wait for more HPFCRs, though rainbow mags will still be limiting

[karmic forum]

I consider 1050 the mid-point of the season

[vague token]

hsfcr will be nice for pve for me, but i wont be using any on pvp xD

[elder crane]

staag technically too

[vague token]

oh is actual staag in pr3?

[elder crane]

though it's fiiiine for PvE to go without for the most part

no

[karmic forum]

lol no

[elder crane]

Hazy

lol

[vague token]

[karmic forum]

But there is the sexy bofors

[elder crane]

the one no one asked for lol (Hazemeyer mount)

also twin 381 is in, Hoodgun

which is hilarious

[karmic forum]

Which probably finds a place in PvP somehow

[elder crane]

isn't it 25 range?

🚮

[karmic forum]

28

Same as bofors

[elder crane]

oh, 28 is acceptable probably, hmm

[vague token]

i dont have enough users for that many hood guns

lul

[karmic forum]

Probably can replace a few quads for that

[coral wren]

How much does AA matter in PVP? I though planes had like 4x health
Or is it just about reducing kamikaze damage

[elder crane]

wanna see my collection?

[vague token]

no, you'll get

[elder crane]

it's about reducing kamikaze, yeah

[vague token]

aa the stat is useful

aa the guns are helpful

[karmic forum]

Doesn't matter too much but doesn't hurt to optimize against the rare WFC comps

[elder crane]

and you run 113+staag/Japbofors, no quads anywhere to see

[vague token]

but not something you need to desperately build around

aka just use the ones that boost your hit rate

and like the range ones

[elder crane]

though new mount is prolly worth running 1 of over a 113

[vague token]

gotta get that +10 hit

[karmic forum]

I feel like it should replace something

Hell you might just want to equip your entire vanguard with them

[elder crane]

run it on Juneau, call it a day

[karmic forum]

Since the damage is absurd

[elder crane]

everyone else runs accels, done

might be time to break out the Russian accelerator actually

[karmic forum]

Although its going to be a while before I can get one since I'm in PR2 prison

[elder crane]

did I farm any of those?

I don't think I farmed any of those, uh oh

[coral wren]

I'm going to have to level up my Juneau eventually, huh
Right now I just use PVP for farming exp on weaker ships, so I don't have any of my 120s in my offense or defense fleet (trying to fight weaker opponents)

[karmic forum]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Twin_100mm_(MZ-14)#Type_3

This thing?

[elder crane]

yeah

It wasn't useful before since 113 was your damage gun, and anything past about 32 ish range has strongly diminishing returns

[vague token]

oh, i didnt notice but azuma can equip the catalina reasons

xD

[elder crane]

if sextuple bofors is new damage gun though, the extra range might be useful?

[karmic forum]

Oh its in D3 that probably means I have one or two

[elder crane]

it was in D3? then I have a few probably

CN theorycrafters apparently were making a fuss over it? Idk
I think the conclusion ended up being "if you needed the extra range, it could be worth it, but you really don't...."
though maybe now you do want the extra range?

[vague token]

[karmic forum]

Might end up being good

I might just do 5 staags + sexy bofors on juneau

[elder crane]

For PvP, the 20 less AA also kinda hurts, since this would prolly be a ykkz gun, hmm

yeah, probably just PvE things

[vague token]

aa is hard, ill just use hit boosters and roombas

oh i forgot why i dont like hiryuu, she makes me nervous even if i know im going to win with fc

just looking at the screen and seeing a pixel

[elder crane]

Oh hey, just notice the ISSS rerun announcement, not exactly surprised though lol

[vague token]

yeah

[karmic forum]

Wait what about this thing?
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Single_90mm_High-Angle_(Model_1939)

[vague token]

finally the last mogami who is for some reason already a CA and has one of the very few On Hit skills as opposed to on shot skills

[elder crane]

idk, seeing my main fleet at 20% HP stresses me more

[karmic forum]

Less range but slightly faster and you get more AA

[elder crane]

could just randomly evaporate
Hiryuu you just wait for voiceline, check in to make sure it's not VF-17 if you run that, then wait 10 ish s before looking over

[karmic forum]

Although I'm pretty sure no one actually bothered farming it

[elder crane]

it's a side product of chappy gun farming

[vague token]

i wanted to use SAP gun on suzuya since it vomits out bullets

xD

[karmic forum]

Doesn't hiryuu voiceline proc when she launches her plane barrage?

[vague token]

too bad no retro for mgm+1

[elder crane]

Hmm, good point
I suppose I'm just used to hearing her at specific times?

since that is fixed timing, unlike the rest

strikes being sped up after vanguard sinks

[whole terrace]

is there a comparison of sanrui vs noshiro as 3rd frontline somewhere
Anyone got an answer to @inner quiver 's question? From the long list of vg's I've tried, nothing works better than a combination of juneau/noshiro/azuma (even dev 15 btw)/yuki, no matter what comp/synergy you're using. I don't have sanrui levelled but I'm doubtful she's an exception

I don't think there's an existing comparison anywhere, no

[inner quiver]

[elder crane]

Basically that

there's some extreme synergy cases, or RNG-meme cases (esp for defense), but that's about it

Ibuki, Aurora, Sirius, Helena for ones that might see some really niche uses, for the most part

[whole terrace]

I even tried amakaga + aurora and it didn't do nearly as well as jun noshi yuki though

[elder crane]

Sanrui role overlaps too much with the 4 listed

[vague token]

sanrui has too much angle limitation =/

she could have been cool if the new dr gun was he though

xD

[elder crane]

Well, the reason why Sanrui is never optimal is because those 4 just do her job better

whereas, say, Ibuki does offer something more

just at a veeeeery steep price elsewhere

[vague token]

why oh why is the new gun not he reee

[whole terrace]

Idk if I didn't gear my torpmeme well? But it didn't do very well at all.

[vague token]

sanrui, no skins, no gear, no respect

[elder crane]

it really doesn't for offense

[vague token]

the power of torps comes from non-symmetrical ship placement

aka defense torps can reach your main

[elder crane]

it's just an annoying defense team, since it can very occasionally blow things up
for offense, you want more consistency than that, and because of vanguard positioning, you blow shit up with torps less on offense

[vague token]

if positioning was like offense for both sides

no one would use torps

if it was like defense

torp would be meta

[elder crane]

idk about that

still too RNG imo

[vague token]

i dont mean like all in

[elder crane]

even defense team torps do nothing half the time

[vague token]

i mean like juneau/ibuki/noshiro or juneau/ibuki/azuma

xD

or nosh/ibuki/azuma

[elder crane]

Ibuki is still going to do nothing half the time

[vague token]

yeah but for offense, if you whiff you can restart in 3s

;)

[elder crane]

3 s + loading time

[vague token]

true

[elder crane]

idk how good your device is, but that's more like 20 s for me

[vague token]

ive been playing more on emu lately

cause of you know

[elder crane]

emu is worse than my phone

...prolly cause I run stuff in background more

[vague token]

ooof

i need ibuki fate anyways

2nd to last X-x

[elder crane]

phone is super snappy, I'd say like 10-15 s is actually more like it

[vague token]

but that's why we have catch up

xD

[whole terrace]

This is basically my tests with ibuki:
Kamita Namaryuu Juneau Noshiro Yukikaze full oath
vs WAM

Ibuki Noshiro Yuki (torp-meme gear) 3-7
warkai amagi hiryuu torpmeme 1-5
WAM nosh ibuki yuki Defense gear 2-5
Ibuki jun yuki 2-5

WAM jun noshi yuki 6-1
azuma jun yuki 0-2 (first two battles terrible torp rng, facetorped twice)
5-2

[elder crane]

Oh yeah, looking at my vid, from pausing the game to entering the next fight, 10s on phone

WAM is not a good fit for torp-VG

whole point of WM is it partially bypasses opponent VG

[karmic forum]

Being at a sandbagging disadvantage because you have a shitty phone

[elder crane]

also trying to make matches fast-paced without Hiryuu is

[whole terrace]

It didn't do better with hiryuu though

[elder crane]

I mean, it's a warkai team, the whole draw about her is how she focuses main fleet right off the bat

trying to trade out vanguards fast is worse than just stalling and letting warkai do work

[whole terrace]

What teams do you think it would do better on?

I always find stalling better, u see

[elder crane]

that's pretty much the case for offense

[karmic forum]

What aux do you use on warkai?

[whole terrace]

double sg

Just for max consistency with her barrage cos missing the first can be so costly.
But i'm not super fixated on that choice

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/42064e2b9aefab47c6bb351deee7447e
https://gyazo.com/7eb9326cf129626a87758de50bdc0aac
honestly i dont understand where all this rich damage comes from

[sterile bluff]

[ionic magnet]

finally after 10 yrs

nagato rerun

[empty grove]

Another WFC will fall

[hot creek]

Feels like staying in pr2 for 457 is a bait. But then again, pr3 as a whole is goddamn bait.

[vague token]

oh, planes STILL dont display crash damage

yostar plz

[empty grove]

I want that HPFCR tho

That's some good bait

[vague token]

someday we will find out why it's called high standard on EN

[sterile bluff]

i mean u can see their crash dmg on their wiki page lol

[vague token]

it should be in game though

wiki shouldnt be necessary, just helpful

[sterile bluff]

it's more than helpful

[sour oasis]

I see Fam. But have they moved or are they waiting?

[sour oasis]

Screw it. Someone else moved

I wonder why Jojo suddenly shot to the top (with a very impressive 1055)

Seriously. That's a score for a serious sandbag.

Why suddenly stop dragging and start rushing.

[frail orbit]

MY BRACKET STILL NOT MOVING REEEEEE

[sour oasis]

Can't tell if dragging feet or forgot pvp.

[light crystal]

Boys, wut is tankier: Amagi with VH/Rudder, or Amagi with Rudder/Beaver.

[frail orbit]

VH Rudder

[light crystal]

[sterile bluff]

vs

[vague token]

rudder beaver works better against planes of course

[sterile bluff]

what's BiS for amagi?

too lazy to check tierlist

[sour oasis]

HPFCR+shells

Wait. How are you accessing equipment icons?

[sterile bluff]

Hehehe

[vague token]

nice emotes

[sterile bluff]

thx

[frail orbit]

rudder beaver works better against planes of course
@vague token against planes then yes

Koz heavy mods keks

[sour oasis]

Oh. Nitro plus. 💸

[ripe latch]

nimi on trp team

[vague token]

really volatile bonuses this week

got like 4 last reset, nothing this one

[empty grove]

Mine is still sleeping

[shell heron]

I'm not gonna check where I am compared to my reference. I'll do it after gensui so no cursed season

[ionic magnet]

if you're cursed, you're cursed

you can't escape

[light crystal]

Hmm, does this mean that if Gascogne's Dev 35, the Heal heals 8% HP in 1 tick instead of across 4 ticks? If so, that increases her viability in PvP.

Also Barrage dmg goes up by 25%. There isn't a GIF about it, but I assume she gets 4th Wave to the Barrage now?

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/images/8/86/Bullet_pattern_skill_19261.gif

Yo, maybe she's better than JB for French comps

[ripe latch]

[indigo relic]

I see meme fleet
I attak

[ripe latch]

when someone hate trp teams

[frail orbit]

Rush now? My bracket dont move at all REEEEEEE FOK IT

[ripe latch]

w8 other +5 to say cya on next

[coral wren]

does pr3 botes come with new gears?

it's impossible to get this stupid rainbow BB gun unless you're extremely lucky

2 rainbow guns now..

I don't even have a single piece for this one kek.

[karmic forum]

@frail orbit the first guy is a sandbagger

[coral wren]

just rush

[past egret]

I will nail myself to the cross before I become a rusher

[coral wren]

should I get the planks and some 9 inch nails?

there'd be no food for sandbaggers without rushers

[past egret]

Someone else will fill that role

And it won’t be me

[naive dome]

what's the most useful PR1 ship to have in pvp ?

[sterile bluff]

[buoyant parrot]

@naive dome Monarch or Louis

[karmic forum]

Monarch Sanrui or Ibuki but they're all outclassed in various ways

[vague token]

monarch or ibuki probs

[sterile bluff]

monarch isn't outclassed

[cinder crater]

Are any of the PR3s good for pvp

[proper sorrel]

not enough testing

[shell heron]

I don't see any of the PR3s changing the meta.

I'm interested in how much damage Odin's ghost guns can put out tho with it's stupid looking range

[zenith tundra]

i don't see any pr3 making it into non meme comps

[elder crane]

@coral wren no luck, just needs focus on gear projects
20/50 means you really haven't focused on them
tbf it's quite annoying since you'll be spamming a ton of fast researches

[safe meteor]

so any new stuff out of PR3 that gonna affect pvp?

[zenith tundra]

1 bps in 2 week only gear research spam tells me it's rng

[safe meteor]

a lot of new gear it seems

[zenith tundra]

pvp wise only hpfcr matters

[safe meteor]

already compared the new gear stats?

[elder crane]

The new BB guns sorta matter

[safe meteor]

ah , like?

[zenith tundra]

ca guns are irrelevant since no ca is used at all. ap gun is inferior to 457. triple 305 might be useful but that spread is terrible tbh. aa guns is useless since no cv

[elder crane]

the AP one is basically a litt gun that doesn't nerf own load time, it's next best thing after 457

[zenith tundra]

still useless if u have 457

[elder crane]

the HE one is mostly a slightly worse DrH? though maybe even worse than that for PvP since it has less fire damage

[safe meteor]

ok, so no new AA gun like the STAAG then

which HE gun?

[zenith tundra]

triple 305

[elder crane]

new AA gun is best damage AA gun, but yeah, hardly matters in PvP

and CA guns might as well not exist in PvP

[safe meteor]

French fleet prob not gonna be relevant?

Richelieu, Jean Bart, Champagne or something

[elder crane]

Champ for PvP is 🚮

[safe meteor]

i see

[elder crane]

her main gimmicks overall don't matter, and her lower survivability / total DpS actually does matter

[zenith tundra]

i would say even her low potential dmg matters too

[elder crane]

yeah

[safe meteor]

Drake a lot worse than Azuma prob?

[elder crane]

I meant that as part of gimmick

Drake is CA gunboat

so, uh

suffers those issues

[safe meteor]

so the old pvp teams eh

[elder crane]

she also gives up quite a bit of raw tankiness (compared to Azuma) for her healing schtick, which is irrelevant in PvP

[safe meteor]

FdG, Warkai, Amagi,
Yuki, Juneau, Azuma

nothing changed?

[elder crane]

pretty much

[safe meteor]

oh except that BB got even more broken

[zenith tundra]

seems not that good but let's wait and see. not sure if her dmg is that good in pvp and if u compare her to azuma she losses dmg since no aoe

[safe meteor]

with 3x HPFCR

[elder crane]

French fleet btw is actually relevant-ish, but doesn't change top meta

no AoE, shit angles, can't range main fleet

DpS will fall far behind Azuma

[safe meteor]

we get the Nagato rerun, and it gonna be War archive soon, so there is prob not gonna be a real reason for French pvp fleet?

[elder crane]

It's certainly a fast offense fleet if you build for preload?

[safe meteor]

Nagato Amagi Warkai for those that dont have FdG dev30 yet?

[elder crane]

Offense I strongly prefer Warkai Amagi Hiryuu, esp if you have 457, currently

[safe meteor]

Hiryuu?

that better than bringing Nagato?

[elder crane]

if we start seeing more FdG dev30s, maybe I'll change my opinion on that

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't use french fleet anyway when ur wr is 70% vs namagi fdg with ws

[elder crane]

Nagato is too RNG

[safe meteor]

currently nagato is replacing my dev30 FdG i got planned

ah yea

[zenith tundra]

u can use other stuff with ws and get better wr

[elder crane]

right now, you can afford to give up a bit of average power for reduced RNG on offense

[safe meteor]

so how far are you with FdG?

[elder crane]

mines' still dev 23 so LOL

[safe meteor]

oh wow

and Azuma?

[elder crane]

I think I've seen literally one dev30 FdG so far? lol

[safe meteor]

im almost there

dev29 FdG here

give me 2 weeks or something

[elder crane]

Azuma just hit dev 28
4/50 on second 457 though

[safe meteor]

is it much better dev 30 vs dev25 Azuma?

[elder crane]

Azuma dev 30 and 457 are more important anyways

[zenith tundra]

aren't there 2 dev 30 at least in avrora? trump and famine?

[safe meteor]

im at dev24 Azuma, i was planning to put her dev25 and move to PR3

[elder crane]

not really, but Azuma is already worth including before dev30, unlike FdG

[safe meteor]

i see

[elder crane]

so any power boost is direct power boost

[safe meteor]

wanted to use both

so i fed all my blueprints to FdG

[elder crane]

while FdG jumps in power level at dev30, arguably, compared to other options, it's not that big of a boost over what you could run already

[safe meteor]

so what would you say is better

[zenith tundra]

if u want to use both dev 25 azuma and dev 30 fdg seems the way to go

[safe meteor]

dev30 Azuma with a diff ship to replace FdG?

[elder crane]

Yes

[safe meteor]

or dev25 Azuma with dev 30 FdG

[elder crane]

My personal priority ranking is:
dev 25 Azuma
457
dev 30 Azuma
dev 30 FdG

[safe meteor]

i see

how far on the rainbow BB gun?

[elder crane]

4/50 on second one

[safe meteor]

oh nice

im at 47/50 on the 1st one

is it just super RNG?

[zenith tundra]

i maxed both at the same time tbh. didn't want to have excess bps for one at the time

[elder crane]

just spam equip projects

my RNG has actually been below average

[safe meteor]

oh i see

i always pick FdG or Azuma when i see em

[elder crane]

my plan is to switch to PR3 once Azuma dev30 anyways, at least that's some benefit for EN accelerated schedule lol

[safe meteor]

so when do you plan to do PR3, or you just mixing PR3 projects when you see em?

[elder crane]

the 5H/8H ones are bait

[safe meteor]

cause i wanna PR3 for the HPFCR, i got none of those yet

[elder crane]

just follow the PR2 sheet, no reason to believe there's any diff currently

and yeah, HPFCR the most important thing in PR3

[safe meteor]

i immediately am eager to do PR3, for that only

[elder crane]

5H/8H face projects are bait unless you're AFKing

[safe meteor]

but i had no idea if the remaining stuff was any useful

i see

i pick em anyway

so that wasnt the best idea

which projects do you pick for the gear?

1 hour, 2 hour 4 hour ones that cost upgrade parts?

[vague token]

i dont understand why someone would use nagato/fdg/ws lul

[elder crane]

if you want equip prints in particular,
Q 30 min > 1h Q >=(?) 4h Q = (?) 4h G > 2h Q > E315 (purple one) > rest

[safe meteor]

ah i dont understand that team either

[vague token]

i got a pr3 30 minute cube project

[safe meteor]

Nagato without any IJN?

[vague token]

lul

took it for the refresh

[safe meteor]

30 min cube is that for Drake only?

oh nvm, the golden one

[zenith tundra]

i'm starting to get trash research in chain for pr3

[elder crane]

1 H Q is slightly higher per-time rate than the 4H projects, but opportunity cost and needs tightish login timing

[safe meteor]

not sure if i am just unlucky then with the gear

[vague token]

im at 39

someday

personally i want more drake guns

but that'll never happen

[zenith tundra]

my highest equip is trash gold ca gun at 5

0 rainbow ca

[cinder crater]

I'm running Noshiro yukikaze Ibuki right now, at what dev level can I replace one of them with Azuma?

[elder crane]

well, it's not that trash

good mods vs heavy armor

well, "good"

better than the other CA gun options other than the DR gun

[zenith tundra]

it's only better vs heavy and so many heavy enemies around

[elder crane]

it's also higher avg gun-dps on a mix of light/med than the other guns

no fires and no pens ofc

[safe meteor]

what is the Drake gun?

the rainbow ?

[elder crane]

Drake gun is rainbow, yeah

[safe meteor]

is it much better than the other CA guns?

[elder crane]

it has highest gun-DpS in all categories

[vague token]

hoo boi yeah

[elder crane]

so yeah

[safe meteor]

ok

[vague token]

even on ammo converters, higher base dps

if i mathed right

[safe meteor]

not that it matters too much, but if CA ever gonna be useful in pvp

[elder crane]

more light DpS than HE, more med DpS than SAP, by far highest heavy DpS, and highest raw DpS for ammo overwrites

[vague token]

sadly, it isnt HE for sanrui

[elder crane]

still has shit angle ofc, also no fires or pens

[vague token]

so sanrui still is in the dumpster

[zenith tundra]

idk i wouldn't use that gun for mobs over roon gun because no pierce. vs bosses there are better vs non heavy enemies anyway

[elder crane]

pierce I've always been super skeptical on actual value

[vague token]

wouldnt it pierce when it swaps to ap?

[zenith tundra]

maybe only vs elites but idk

[vague token]

or how does that work?

[elder crane]

when enemies cluster like that, you smack them with main fleet anyways

[safe meteor]

i never really think pierce was that great, if you auto so much

[elder crane]

I run HE on my CAs preferentially in general on all maps except vs med/heavy bosses

[safe meteor]

i kinda do the same thing, even if most people say AP is more useful

[elder crane]

My thought is, pierce damage just chips down enemies so your main fleet overkills them harder

[vague token]

like if you used the gun on baltimore, it would pierce still right?

[elder crane]

not sure on the value of that lol

yes

[vague token]

oh ok

[elder crane]

he meant in general

[vague token]

xD

ah

[zenith tundra]

yeah but he won't kill medium enemies faster then ap

[vague token]

medium is for baltimore to punch holes in

[elder crane]

yeah but even ch13 mobs is half light

also most of the stuff that you rely on vanguard to kill is light

elites are for main fleet to nuke

[vague token]

just use black heart

[safe meteor]

so what gear is optimal now for like Warkai, FdG, Amagi?

HPFCR on all 3?

[vague token]

i dont use hsfcr at all xD

cause formidable ;)

[safe meteor]

ah yea, i like using that ship if they dont use full light vanguard

[elder crane]

HPFCR is still a fully-offensively-oriented equip

[safe meteor]

eh, whats the official term?

[vague token]

i think i used hsfcr on warspite with izumo gun

[safe meteor]

HSFCR, or HPFCR?

[vague token]

it's high standard on EN client

[safe meteor]

i see

[elder crane]

I'd only pair it with evasion equip, or maaaaaybe with SG on Warkai in a safe spot

[vague token]

i just say it cause it's silly

[safe meteor]

guess both are fine

we know what we mean

[vague token]

high standard makes 0 sense

probably a translation error

it's high performance on wiki

[safe meteor]

no white shell on Warkai?

[vague token]

not enough hit

for me

[elder crane]

HPFCR is better than white shell

so no point

[safe meteor]

use both?

missing the crit dmg bonus?

[elder crane]

and two pure-offensive aux is asking to be killed

[vague token]

sg/fcr

for me

[safe meteor]

oh

currently i use white shell + SG radar, cause everyone using evasion

[elder crane]

SG/FCR as flagship, which is fairly safe spot in current meta

[vague token]

only 15 evasion but it's warspite, you just need to nuke side

dead ships do 0 damage

[safe meteor]

till i got HPFCR, not sure what i should equip

i see

[vague token]

double sg is fine

[safe meteor]

guess i try that out then

[vague token]

sg/rudder if you want her tanky

[elder crane]

SG/white shell is also fine

[safe meteor]

i cant say no to faster firing though

so the other two then

[elder crane]

HPFCR/White shell is a no-no though

[safe meteor]

AMagi and FdG

[vague token]

personally i think that you need fcr with izumo

[safe meteor]

what do they want?

[vague token]

cause the gun is so slow

[elder crane]

unless you like randomly warkai dying early

I hate FCR with Izumo gun

hits right into rudder proc

[vague token]

when i messed with no fcr and izumo gun, random owari das would dodge all gun shots

xD

[safe meteor]

Izumo gun is the PR1 golden BB HE?

[vague token]

ill just gamble on the lower rudder proc

;)

[elder crane]

30% to do nothing if they run rudder on the targeted ship

410AP

[safe meteor]

oh the other one

[vague token]

triple

yeh

[elder crane]

I prefer Litt gun anyways as long as team isn't very stally

[safe meteor]

placeholder for the Rainbow gun?

[elder crane]

yep

[safe meteor]

i am using good

good 'ol 406 mk6

[vague token]

technically the closest thing to rainbow gun is that stupid kms twin 380mm ap

which does no damage

at all

xD

[safe meteor]

i insta scrap that

[elder crane]

Litt gun does noticably more damage than Izumo gun, and as long as the match is already decided before 1 min, nerfing load time on 3rd volley doesn't matter

ofc if you somehow get champagne gun before 457, that's next best option

[safe meteor]

i dont like to switch my gear around that much

[elder crane]

triple 406AP

[safe meteor]

i think if you win that fast, you dont really need Litt gun?

[vague token]

litt gun is for winning fast

[safe meteor]

i only got trouble vs the more stally teams

[elder crane]

well, if hitting them ~8-9% harder on main gun salvos makes a difference for that,

[safe meteor]

ah yea i guess so

[elder crane]

depends on team setup ofc

[safe meteor]

so what teams you like to use?

[elder crane]

Champagne gun is basically Litt gun but doesn't nerf itself after 2 reloads

[vague token]

she got such a good gun that she cannot use

xD

[safe meteor]

is that how the new PR3 gold gun works?

its AP?

[elder crane]

it's 410AP but with enhanced mods vs med/heavy

[safe meteor]

but worse than rainbow PR2 BB right?

[elder crane]

in exchange for slightly more worse vs light, but it was already so bad it doesnt matter

yeah, still worse than 457 overall

[vague token]

457 is the ultimate combination of Speed, Power, and Stat Padding

nothing can contest it

unless there was a meta light armor main fleet

[elder crane]

it actually has slightly higher total damage per salvo than 457, but still has the much longer reload, and ofc missing 20 FP

[vague token]

aka good joke

[safe meteor]

are there even light armor main fleet?

[vague token]

yes

[safe meteor]

repair ship and BM?

[vague token]

you dont use them in pvp

[elder crane]

40/140/120 mods instead of 45/130/110 of standard AP

[vague token]

and the collab cvls

[elder crane]

other than that, basically same stats as Izumo gun

[vague token]

aka never use

[elder crane]

isn't that the uta ones only?

aka the ones we'll never get

[safe meteor]

we'll never get em

[vague token]

yeah

aka never

[safe meteor]

i thought they had funny stats

[vague token]

xD

[safe meteor]

did you see one of those CVL aviation stat?

[elder crane]

Yeah, at least they're not very good, NepNep-tier

[safe meteor]

i would like to have em ingame

[vague token]

at least black heart has a gimmick

[safe meteor]

cause i gonna see them super often in pvp

[elder crane]

rather than VTuber tier

[vague token]

that is fun on anything besides her

[elder crane]

Fumi has gimmicks

[vague token]

aka kitakaze

xD

[safe meteor]

would you like to see those as pvp enemies?

[elder crane]

Fumi has lazer!!!!

[vague token]

we got smol lusty

we have a laser

[elder crane]

also targeted heal

We got Ryuuhou and Odin, yeah

[safe meteor]

Odin?

she heals?

[vague token]

the lightning bolt

no

"laser" aka a lightning bolt

[safe meteor]

ok

[vague token]

with 150 armor mods for reasons xD

[safe meteor]

does this channel do meme teams?

[elder crane]

Mainz gets 200/200/200 on one of her barrages

[safe meteor]

cause Odin unique positioning

[zenith tundra]

i see uta ships in pvp and they are as useless as any other meme comp

[elder crane]

[safe meteor]

i got the feeling you could meme people with it

[vague token]

is that the one when she's in the back of vg?

[elder crane]

when not lead, yeah

[vague token]

oh is it mid or back? that's neat

[elder crane]

Mainz is slightly tankier than the USN CAs... ignoring her shields... when not lead

[vague token]

i mean us cas are deeps nowadays

[elder crane]

she's next tankiest thing after Azuma when lead vanguard, ignoring her shields

I meant Balti/Brem

or, actually, just Balti no-USN-CV

Brem needs to lead for hers

[vague token]

i just use balti for beeg damage

xD

[safe meteor]

do you use pvp for xp btw?

[vague token]

yes

[elder crane]

Mainz actually compares decently well for DpS

[vague token]

0 oil, all the exp

[safe meteor]

you know what i often do,
put my new ship BB ship flagship, llvl 30ish or something

[vague token]

is that with or without drake gun though

[crude mortar]

[safe meteor]

and let her get carried by my Warkai, Amagi, and 3x vanguard lvl 120 all

or at least as much as i need to win

i love to face more meme fleets, free xp and a win

[vague token]

then again it isnt like anyone will have drake gun before dev 30 mainz

xD

[safe meteor]

i can already tell

we gonna see French and German fleets soon

[crude mortar]

what drake gun onna be used on

balt?

[elder crane]

Rough comparison of HE Brem vs Damage mode mainz
Mainz has shield protection support as well, and ofc has CL angles

[vague token]

technically everything

[elder crane]

Drake gun is run on basically everyone in PvE always, probably

a few minor exceptions

[safe meteor]

Mainz better vs heavy?

[elder crane]

no, then you just run AP

[crude mortar]

I heard nagato is coming

I wanna be asshole too

[safe meteor]

ah yup

what team you wanna run?

Nagato torp team?

[vague token]

dear god that barrage damage

xD

[humble geyser]

she is

[elder crane]

yeah, her barrages are ridiculous

[safe meteor]

Nagato right?

[elder crane]

all but the gun-triggered ones are aimed too

[crude mortar]

they meant mainz I think

[vague token]

that's pretty amazing lul

[safe meteor]

ok

oh wow, that barrage dmg of Mainz

is it really that high dmg?

[vague token]

if only the balti class didnt have a garbo class based barrage

[safe meteor]

how often does that even trigger?

[vague token]

or rather CAs in a general sense

[elder crane]

You can see why I was worried about her DpS before I evaled barrage numbers

[vague token]

i mean, the CL struggle

that's normal

[elder crane]

her gun triggered barrage is pretty good too, reminds me of Sirius barrage

or the such

decent damage, fairly tight
still slapped a hefty penalty on it here since i'm assuming auto-mode, ofc

[vague token]

yeh

[karmic forum]

Mainz still bad in PvP?

[elder crane]

No one compares to Azuma, basically

[vague token]

azuma also counters her shields

like any shielder

xD

so

[coral wren]

My fleet is doing well so far. Got to Lieutenant. Running Warspite Kai, Formi, Centaur, Belfast, Yukikaze, and San Diego Kai.

[elder crane]

Though she might be interesting since it's all CL angles

[crude mortar]

[karmic forum]

How would she compare to noshiro?