pvp

[granite flame]

at least

[elder crane]

Ewwww that barrage

[empty grove]

[granite flame]

cheshire is fun to watch

raining paws

[elder crane]

The pellets do good damage though at leats

[granite flame]

at fucking mach -0.1

[karmic forum]

Its like you're equipping a gear skin

[finite valve]

well at least it's cute

[vague token]

that looks like a gun id toss on someone else

lol

[finite valve]

i give her that

[vague token]

like champagne for clear bot xD

[elder crane]

It's a standard big 7 with less dmg, and a central stonger shot, and higher proc %

[vague token]

non-arcing bb gun

[karmic forum]

Wait odin is firing a secondary gun?

[vague token]

no, damage is too high for aux

300 ap on aux?

doubt

she crit for 500 too

[finite valve]

her reload is too high tho ain't it?

[karmic forum]

Then what is it?

[empty grove]

Also wait

Wasn't barrage bannable here

A lot of flags

[vague token]

or she's using a cl gun

i guess

could just be tbkst or w/e

[karmic forum]

shhhhh

[shy hazel]

🇧 arrage

[elder crane]

Cheshire cute??

[empty grove]

It looked like the tbtsk

[shy hazel]

🇧 anned

[finite valve]

too much policing

[karmic forum]

I'm wondering if you have the option of equipping a CL as a main gun

[vague token]

ah yes, a main fleet with a CL gun main gun

big brain

[empty grove]

[karmic forum]

Would make her better but still pretty bad

[finite valve]

well not like it going to save her whether it a CL or DD gun

[frail orbit]

🧠

[elder crane]

Hmmm, does odin autofire?

[finite valve]

still shit barrage regardless

[frail orbit]

Whatever

[elder crane]

I think odin might autofire

[vague token]

or do bbs have ghost aux?

[empty grove]

If she ends up being good, i'm gonna be disappointed

[elder crane]

Aka CB gun

[frail orbit]

If anything

[vague token]

like everyone else

[empty grove]

KMS people suffering is fun

[frail orbit]

If I need PR3

Would just do Cheshire smhw

[vague token]

a CB gun that is non-arcing

[finite valve]

don't monarch got the same issue tho?

[vague token]

would be the ultimate meme

[frail orbit]

For PVE

For all HMS slowtorpmeme W13

[finite valve]

@empty grove does it matter when KMS got the biggest fan base compare to the rest tho?

i say 50/50

[frail orbit]

But 2nd HPFCR seems promising enuff

[finite valve]

[elder crane]

Anyways, I think overall PR3 disappointing it seems

[vague token]

pr3 is super underwhelming

[granite flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/528197562998718474/730646237971349564/unknown-25.png

[vague token]

from like all game modes

[granite flame]

?????????????????????????????????????

[vague token]

xD

[granite flame]

AGAFAGAGGA

AHAHAH

bro

[elder crane]

Just some incremental stuff, and seems like two failed experiments

[granite flame]

disappointment levels are in the fucking stratosphere by now

[elder crane]

Is big 7 pattern, yep

Dmg is high at least, for pellets

[vague token]

drake is like minne but instead of an aux gun, she still has torps and steals york's ghost gun skill

probably passable

[elder crane]

DR though

Hf

[vague token]

yeah

like what even

mainz is fine

more kms shield spam

[elder crane]

Mainz is just generally excellent

[karmic forum]

I always thought that kms had the most vocal fanbase

[vague token]

useless for us, fine for pvp

[elder crane]

KMS super cleveland

[granite flame]

PR3: super hyped PR
5 ships instead of 6
DR isnt even good
most popular ship is a floating trash can
redeeming factors:
UR drake gun
cheshire rains cat paws from the sky
french MIGHT be good?

this is a joke

[vague token]

beeg stat pads too

[zenith tundra]

spending 4 more oil for something barely better is good for drake i guess

[ebon schooner]

[karmic forum]

Cheshire is good and thats all that matters to me

[elder crane]

Idk about barely better

Her heal potential might be quite good

[granite flame]

https://streamable.com/wrkban

[finite valve]

@granite flame hey think of it this way
now ppl won't have to rush / focus PR 3 but focus on the good shit that is PR 2

[zenith tundra]

the only thing that saves drake is rainbow gun

[finite valve]

[vague token]

is 15% life steal better than minne's heal + damage reduction?

xD

hard to say?

[shy hazel]

rainbow gun that youll need to pray for a year

[ebon schooner]

yes, enjoy getting poverty staags in p2 and pr3

[elder crane]

Her barrage is almost 100 bdmg

[frail orbit]

6 STAAG is enuff nowadays

No need for my 7th smhw

[empty grove]

Bigger fanbase just means more suffering

[frail orbit]

[finite valve]

you be in luck if you can find enough ppl with 6 stagg lol

[vague token]

why is her ghost gun skill so bad compared to york's

[finite valve]

most i would say hover around 4 5 staggs

[vague token]

york gives her ghost gun armor ignore lol

[karmic forum]

Yeah I think thats pretty damning for champagne

[frail orbit]

I meant
I already hv 6th STAAG anyway

[elder crane]

Lets say she buffs herself to 400 FP

[karmic forum]

You won't be using her in any serious PvP fleet

[ebon schooner]

[frail orbit]

So no need for 7th

[elder crane]

460 damage barrage shots, x3

[zenith tundra]

is that aux boost enough to make for no actual aux gun?

[finite valve]

7 is for pve stuff

and not like you really need stagg for pve anyway

[vague token]

unless those Special HE are like

crazy good

it's straight up worse than york

[elder crane]

200 ish heal if all hit once?

Hmmmm

[vague token]

york is ignore armor and 70% crit rate

far superior

[zenith tundra]

they need to hit tbh and auto aim is very nice for barrages

[elder crane]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[frail orbit]

Champ seems like a mixed bag then

[vague token]

i think she's a better analogy to york

aka Super Tanky york

[elder crane]

Even if splashes, 500 heal tops?

[frail orbit]

Either she's trash or not

[elder crane]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[finite valve]

just accept PR 3 for what it is

waifu

[vague token]

york self boosts fp for more though but barrage is trash

[finite valve]

nothing more nothing less

[elder crane]

Is every 20 s though at least
Yeah, I think that's very good actually

[finite valve]

[zenith tundra]

pr3 is just rushed

[elder crane]

Drake has Mogami weapon setup

[frail orbit]

And no Hakuryuu

My inner IJN bias is disappointed

[finite valve]

at this point i rather have waifu ship rather then power creep ship tbh

[elder crane]

115/115/95 mods apparently btw

[vague token]

oh that's not bad

[finite valve]

every event / new stuff is the same

[frail orbit]

For whom?

[elder crane]

That's some high mods on heavy especially

Drake special mods

[frail orbit]

Seems interesting

[vague token]

i think that's still worse than york's but hard to say, we dont know york's armor ignore boost

[frail orbit]

Still not enuff tho

[vague token]

although it's probably like all of them, 1.15 all

like kita and black heart

[elder crane]

Is that her gun mods?

[vague token]

york's ghost gun doesnt have numbers

[elder crane]

Main gun too?

[vague token]

no

[elder crane]

I mean for drake

[vague token]

oh yeah

it converts hers

[elder crane]

What's Drake's special MG mods then?

[vague token]

it should be the same right?

they both convert to SPecial HE

although obviously CA is different from DD

[elder crane]

Also drake is MGM+1 and torps with preload, aka Mogami setup

If that's her MG mods too, those are some exceptional mods vs heavy

95%

[vague token]

yeah

[shy hazel]

we all know the pr3 we need is hakuryu

[vague token]

hard to say

[shy hazel]

[granite flame]

the PR3 we need is a reroll of all current ships

[elder crane]

Anyways, mogami setuppppppp

Pls

That's an excellent setup

[vague token]

i mean yeah xD

[elder crane]

Just lacks in aux gun, which she partially fixes

Well, for PvE that is

Heal seems good too

[vague token]

i dunno about her kit being DR tier though

[elder crane]

200 ish every 20 s if all shots hit one enemy

Without lv advantage

[shy hazel]

until ppl use them personally they are all bad to me

[elder crane]

Does it splash btw?

[vague token]

it just feels like PR york, not DR

[elder crane]

I think it relies on her heal being really good, which it might

Does her barrage splash?

[vague token]

the heal sounds strong

[elder crane]

Given 92 bdmg shots, sounds like it might splash?

[vague token]

it's he, has a chance?

or rather "special" he

100 flat on everything

xD

[elder crane]

If it doesn't, and it's just aimed, then 200ish heal every 20 s without lv advantage, still quite good

Say, 3 procs every fight, that's 600 HP per fight, without needing to be low HP

[vague token]

yeah, im sure she's fine

just not like DR

xD

[elder crane]

If she splashes, whew

Especially harder maps tend to have enemies clump quite a bit

1k+ per fight is for sure not out of question

[vague token]

yeah, i guess if you arent using ryuuhou she might help a lot

if you are just use standard dps CA xD

[elder crane]

It's basically a personal Ryuuhou heal, yeah, if it splashes

[vague token]

if it splashes you can just lazy mode everything probs lol

champ barrage is up

[elder crane]

Now that sounds DR
Hope(?) That's the case? Or maybe not hope for that much powercreep

[vague token]

im not sure if it's better to use life steal vs use azuma

and get more damage

is all

and a real aux

xD

champagne gun is ap

what

and her ap portion sets things on fire

of her barrage

????

[elder crane]

Is Azuma more dmg though

[vague token]

arcing, so probably

shield spam is strong

[zenith tundra]

seems like odin has mgm +2 and ghost aux

[elder crane]

Hmmmmmm

[vague token]

oh that sounds a little better

can they add that to UI plz

how does one make decisions if we still have ghost aux in the game but we dont know how much they all do

[zenith tundra]

2x128mm, 21x4 ap
3x150mm, 21x6 ap

[vague token]

and now we have 2 ships with ghost gun focused skills

and odin has weird numbers xD

[zenith tundra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/352975182065041410/730648420485955674/1594270391267.png

[elder crane]

Hmm, is that better or worse than Bis

[vague token]

uses lightning, not thor?

xD

[elder crane]

Sounds.... Worse I think?

[zenith tundra]

https://streamable.com/svrjmd

[elder crane]

Yeah, her timed barrage is bleh

Not terrible, but meh

[shy hazel]

reminds me of kgv

[vague token]

it just looks cool

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

the ap shoots are her ghost aux

[elder crane]

The pellets btw hit decently hard

92 bdmg

[vague token]

maybe she's an anti flag

nuke flag with 240 with 150% ammo mod

on all armor

until vg moves into it

[elder crane]

Yeah, that ammo mod I didn't see before

[vague token]

also note that it triggers at 18

[elder crane]

Well, is it laser pen?

[vague token]

so it fits with helena's SG radar

not based on the video

or it's just SUPER narrow

and whiffs the rear torp

[light crystal]

Hmm, how is Champagne looking for PvP so far? Barrage is the weak side but spamable, and she only fires one gun per salvor, but can spam sub 10s.

[vague token]

oh it does pierce

i watched it again

[elder crane]

Champ is trash in PvP

[light crystal]

U think? Why

[vague token]

the barrage isnt gonna kill anyone

[zenith tundra]

champagne only has 1 mg and barrages dmg are low. not even worth considering

[elder crane]

Seems Izumo tier for PvE too right now, need to run numbers

Champ only does damage, and not even that well it seems

[vague token]

although the ap dd gun pellets are hilariously HE

[light crystal]

Hmm

[vague token]

plz stop

with this

ap bullets that set enemies on fire

[elder crane]

All her shots are manual, but that's not PvP relevant at all

[light crystal]

What do you mean all her shots are manual?

[elder crane]

No MGM+1

[light crystal]

Ah ok

[elder crane]

So every shot is manually aimed

But, like, compare her to gascan, and, erm

[vague token]

actually, champ could be interesting as anti main

[light crystal]

Well I dunno

[vague token]

does her damage modifier to heavy work on all her damage

or just her gun

[light crystal]

Gonna wait and see

[vague token]

seeing TL it's just a passive boost

maybe her timed barrage is 125 heavy mod

[light crystal]

She seems to be Mainline focus if uw ere to use her for PvP at all

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

It's only for an HE main gun I think

[vague token]

aww

man

no fun allowed

i think i might try say

monarch/odin/x

[narrow meadow]

champ is gonna be just fine in pvp

[frail orbit]

Just w8 NC ffs

[vague token]

kill mid strat

[frail orbit]

Too early smhw

[narrow meadow]

her salvos are gonna be so fking fast

[light crystal]

I'd like to know the best situation scenario, now that we can farm Gold FCR from Research. So Champ: 457mm, HPFCR, Richelieu Buffs, 120/200 statline.

[narrow meadow]

and hit so fking hard

[frail orbit]

[vague token]

with helena with SG

for the early radar

[narrow meadow]

champ with hpfcr seems dumb

you'd get so little out of that hpfcr

[elder crane]

Additive stacking, or no?

[light crystal]

Well

[elder crane]

But yeah

Only 1 MG

Still, best offensive stats on an aux

[light crystal]

It's either HPFCR or SG. Only thing SG has over Radar is the 15 EVA

[elder crane]

Better than a shell

[frail orbit]

And am still derpd out by only 1MG

Like what

[elder crane]

The 1 MG is sooo shit

[narrow meadow]

true but she'll probably appreciate a defensive item

[frail orbit]

She's supposed to be Gasco carbon copy, no?

[elder crane]

And preload is just

[narrow meadow]

its not gonna matter probably

[elder crane]

No

[frail orbit]

[vague token]

she's also just gonna drop immediately to 75% hp

[elder crane]

She's a 6 gun BB irl

[narrow meadow]

combine french preload backline with torp meme frontline

[elder crane]

Think Georgia esque

[narrow meadow]

no vanguard makes it longer than 10 seconds

[elder crane]

Well, "irl"

[frail orbit]

Not even IRL

Its basically 2x3 406mm

Which means she should hv had 2mgm ffs

[elder crane]

Also, nah, shelling is just inconsistent in end

Also her volume of fire too low for that

Her damage is just....

[light crystal]

Champ doesn't get Preload right?

[elder crane]

All I see is that her damage is pitifully low for no good reason, will need to run the numbers

She does

[vague token]

if she had mgm+1 she'd be fine

[frail orbit]

She got 1

But

Preload is derp

[vague token]

squishy but fine

[light crystal]

Ah ok

[elder crane]

If she had MGM+1 instead of preload, she'd be a PvE monster and maybe PvP viable

[vague token]

rich is perfectly serviceable with preload and MGM+1

she would be too

[elder crane]

Preload just so worthless with her setup

[narrow meadow]

"serviceable"

rich is busted

[vague token]

i think the reason she has preload is to spread the fire

[frail orbit]

Anyone could read hanzi pls

[vague token]

but she has no fire skills

[frail orbit]

Need TL

[vague token]

preload to shoot 36 ap bullets that can set fire lol

_>

[frail orbit]

Apparently some said Odin got MGM+2

[vague token]

definitely should have been a BB style algerie

[frail orbit]

But still

[narrow meadow]

yeah odin has MGM+2

[frail orbit]

WTF

[narrow meadow]

the barrage spear is also really strong

[elder crane]

Yeah, MGM+2 on odin

[vague token]

is it innate?

[elder crane]

No

[vague token]

or did they not translate the dev

[narrow meadow]

240 damage is unf

[frail orbit]

Sasugay wehraboo

[vague token]

oh ok

[frail orbit]

[elder crane]

Dev 30 for second one

[vague token]

that's fine i guess

[elder crane]

Like all PR BB with MGM+2

[light crystal]

Well I dunno. I'll wait and see more on Champagne post release. I don't wanna bank too much on early looks, wanna wait once she hits server.

[vague token]

champagne definitely doesnt add anything to a rich fleet

no utility

glassy

[light crystal]

But I guess I'll at least lower expectations now

[vague token]

x_X

[frail orbit]

Imagine Odin spam shit

But whatever

No pvp shit

Unless HPFCR

[vague token]

odin actually has a chance for pvp memes

[elder crane]

Still hung up on Champ vs Gascan
Like
Isn't she just mostly worse lol
Fewer shots in usual battle timer, no?
And weaker barrage

[vague token]

with torp squad and helena

[narrow meadow]

y'all sleeping on french

[vague token]

helena at 16s, odin lightning bolt at 18s

240 base with 1.5 all armor

[light crystal]

So best French/Hybrid fleet is still Richy/Gascogne/JB/WK/Amagi/FDG, I suppose, then? While Champagne adding anything worthwhile doesn't look too good atm, is that a correct assessment?

[vague token]

flag killer

[narrow meadow]

vanguards have no chance

juneau never makes it longer than 10 seconds with just 2 french preloads

[elder crane]

That's just shitty vanguards

[frail orbit]

@vague token torp squad whom? Slowtorpmeme u meant?

[vague token]

sounds like low speed vg

[narrow meadow]

yuki bel and juneau

[elder crane]

Speed setup or no?
Also Bel is lol these days

[vague token]

helena/ibuki/x

[narrow meadow]

they were around 14.5k fleet power, maybe weird aux gear

[elder crane]

Bel is sooo 2k18

[vague token]

sounds like oxy

[ionic magnet]

french fleet
has literally 2 french botes

[zenith tundra]

it heavily depends on vg equipment. slow vg will die while meta vgs will just survive

[elder crane]

Oh lol

14.5k vanguard is for sure oxytorps

[vague token]

it's better to build rich around formi anyways

[ionic magnet]

gold fcr is in research?

[vague token]

kek

[narrow meadow]

yeah seemed a little too high

[elder crane]

Oxytorps = dies to a stiff breeze

[narrow meadow]

but still, i rarely ever come across juneaus that live longer than 10 seconds against this

[elder crane]

And can't dodge shit

[narrow meadow]

had some azuma-yuki-juneaus too

[ebon schooner]

[narrow meadow]

richelieu's burn damage is also kinda great too

[ebon schooner]

yes

richie is dey wei

[narrow meadow]

lots of times i see amagi taking 700 burn damage per tick within like 5 seconds

point is, fit champagne into that fleet and there is no escort fleet for your opponent

[vague token]

i mean, you can do that with just rich

xD

rich/formidable is so hilarious ;)

[narrow meadow]

you can do it better now

[ionic magnet]

wait til yukikaze says nop

[vague token]

im using aurora

xD

parry this

[zenith tundra]

DD gun Twin 114mm: 13x2x2, Normal, armor mods 100|50|20, coef 125%, reload 1.01, 25 FP, 20 AA, 50 range
CA gun Twin 234mm: 54x2x2, Normal, armor mods 115|110|90, coef 115%, reload 6.17, 45 FP, 70 range
CA gun Triple 234mm: 54x2x3, Normal, armor mods 115|115|95, coef 115%, reload 7.85, 65 FP, 70 range
AA gun Sextuple 40mm: 150 damage, reload 1.18, 45 AA, 28 range
BB gun Triple 305mm: 105x3 HE, armor mods 140|110|90, coef ????, reload 18.20, 15 splash?, 45 FP
BB gun Triple 406mm: 150x3 AP, armor mods 40|140|120, coef 110%, reload 24.02, 15 splash?, 45 FP

[ionic magnet]

oh fellow aurora fanboi

[narrow meadow]

aurora is a blessed ship

[zenith tundra]

people complaining about no good normal ammo ca guns and now we get 2

[vague token]

so, baltimore is better now then

got it

and roon

xD

baltimore, beeg fp

[zenith tundra]

people will forget roon for sure

[ionic magnet]

legendary rarity is rainbow right?

[vague token]

65 fp for baltimore's no eagle cv boost

[zenith tundra]

yes

[vague token]

delicious

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

but yeah im feeling brave enough to use aurora

because amagi/rich covers her durability

a bit

azuma can soak nagato barrage of course

so she usually sticks around to the 19-20s mark for rich and formidable to nuke everythng

[zenith tundra]

can't wait to see roon doing both dps and tank at once

[vague token]

kek

[zenith tundra]

like actual dps

[vague token]

yeah

[narrow meadow]

i dunno

doesnt look that much better

than 203mm

i mean obviously objectively better

[ionic magnet]

only good thing about these pr3 stuff is that i can safely continue doing pr2 comms

[narrow meadow]

that's how i feel p much

kinda underwhelming

[vague token]

odin is definitely a must for memes

[narrow meadow]

do we know if HPFCR will be able to be obtained from all research or just PR3?

[vague token]

i cant wait to chuck a helena boosted lightning bolt

at the flag

maybe toss in monarch as own flag

in mid

or someone i dunno

anti flag strat

[narrow meadow]

make sure to position odin against amagi

that way amagi shoots at water

[vague token]

odin is always centered with her skill

xD

[narrow meadow]

hmm if odin is centered who does warspite shoot?

Bismarck?

[vague token]

if warspite is bottom or mid, she'll shoot top

otherwise she'll shoot mid

(flag)

[hot creek]

they shoulda added Fate Sim 10 to PR1

[narrow meadow]

PR2 fate sims are ridiculously strong

Georgia and Seattle especially

[vague token]

ooh even bigger brain

x/tosa/odin

dump everything on middle

xD

ultra meme

[zenith tundra]

49.53 49.53 40.92 with default mods for rainbw ca gun... seems pretty broken to me

compared to 29.09 42.67 29.09 roon gun

[narrow meadow]

hwat

[vague token]

i mean 115/115/95 is like

busted

[zenith tundra]

the only thing is that doesn't pierce

[narrow meadow]

how

[zenith tundra]

beyond busted mods

but no pierce or useless fire

[narrow meadow]

are you saying 49,49,40 is what it would do on any other CA? with normal?

[vague token]

they call it normal

[narrow meadow]

must be a number im not seeing here

[vague token]

but it's basically the Special HE

they're the same as drake's skill

[narrow meadow]

ah

[vague token]

honestly why does she even change the ammo type

[narrow meadow]

it has a skill?

[vague token]

if the gun has those mods already

[narrow meadow]

i never saw that

[vague token]

why does she convert it?

[zenith tundra]

special as in worse vs light LOL

[narrow meadow]

yeah it made more sense to me that it would be regular ass normal ammo

[zenith tundra]

if u use other guns before u get it

[narrow meadow]

and then baltimore, roon, and drake would get use out of it

[vague token]

i mean i guess?

that's still weird

but i guess

well, not like ill be seeing one for another year

so what does it matter

xD

[light crystal]

How's Odin looking for meme builds?

[narrow meadow]

im not switching to PR3 Comms until i finish azuma and FDG dev level 30

[light crystal]

Would help the VG I guess lol

[narrow meadow]

meaning never

[vague token]

odin is pretty big meme tier now

[zenith tundra]

is roon skill normal he and ap?

[vague token]

should be?

[light crystal]

Oh yeah, do PR2 DR's get Buffs, or just the gold ones?

[zenith tundra]

no weird he?

[vague token]

i think so

[narrow meadow]

yes

[zenith tundra]

just noticed that he+ is azuma

[vague token]

yeah

xD

[zenith tundra]

and other is algerie gun

[vague token]

honestly isnt changing the ammo actually a detriment with this gun outside of anti medium for baltimore?

[light crystal]

Ooh, 114mm has 25 FP boost.

Useful in PvE, but I think STAAG is still better for PvP* cuz of ACC boost, no?

[vague token]

take away 20 from light, add it to medium

and add 20 to heavy for free

just because

although it's still probably bis for baltimore

on stats alone

xD

yeah it's still higher on raw dps

than roon

so it's just bis on ammo swappers too

[zenith tundra]

compared to roon gun for raw dps it's 11.03% more dps

might actually be better for the mods then raw if u ignore pierce

[vague token]

yeah it's better on everyone

outside of pierce xD

[zenith tundra]

best boss gun for sure then

[narrow meadow]

oh wait there's 2 new CA guns

[vague token]

oh well gotta wait a year or w/e to get 1

[narrow meadow]

i thought there's only 1

[vague token]

it isnt as game changing as bb gun

[zenith tundra]

just get lucky

[vague token]

xD

im still 39/50 on georgia gun so

[zenith tundra]

triple 305 might actually be best mobbing gun now over fdg one. 105x3 with 18.20 cd vs 154x2 with 19.42s cd. just needs a 1.05 coeff tbh

[vague token]

oh that sounds nice

[sterile bluff]

so how r the new ships looking

[vague token]

ok

to izumo tier

xD

[sterile bluff]

did azuma get powercreeped by drake?

[vague token]

no

[sterile bluff]

15% lifesteal is pretty pog

[vague token]

drake is a "zombie" for clearing

[narrow meadow]

drake unkillable in pve

but worse design

therefore azuma better

[sterile bluff]

i mean i can see that lifesteal being super useful in pvp

[zenith tundra]

well it's 15% if it hits and also pvp has nerfed dmg so ur better off with more hp

[sterile bluff]

but idk what her barrage looks like

[vague token]

also no arcing

azuma laughs at the many shields

[sterile bluff]

but worse design
@narrow meadow

[narrow meadow]

no arc means no splash right?

[zenith tundra]

with 410 fp she heals 211 hp every 20s if she hits all barrage

[narrow meadow]

oh that's a lot less than i thought

[zenith tundra]

211*6(2min)=1266 heal

[vague token]

that's a significant amount if you have no backline healing

[zenith tundra]

5668+1266=6934 hp

[narrow meadow]

crushes my "unkillable" statement

[zenith tundra]

azuma base hp is 7541

no need to hit anything

[narrow meadow]

how long does a 13-4 mob fight usually take? 40-60s?

[vague token]

and ryuuhou covers the rest anyways

[narrow meadow]

assuming drake hits half of every barrage shell, prob very generous

200-300 per battle?

[empty grove]

[narrow meadow]

give her 7 battles and she finally hits azuma hp

albeit with better evasion

[upper sparrow]

She has expression pog

[mint hornet]

matching with odin in only having one eye

[empty grove]

Blue eyes huh

She'd be cuter if her eyes were open

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/ed987d9f5bf30518aeaa9bd55b4061c3

https://gyazo.com/854530174811abe9776b985b71666136

sharing dps is caring

[empty grove]

Too many Richie shills

[vague token]

french fleet
solo rich

[empty grove]

I'm memeing atm too tho

I posted it during the datamine spam

[vague token]

oh yeah

xD

that looks like Just Use Strong Ships

[empty grove]

It's super good for focus on offence

But everything is good on offence

[ebon schooner]

richie is de wei

[empty grove]

Nein

[ebon schooner]

do we really have zero richie emtoes

i thought it got added

[empty grove]

Just post that gif

[ebon schooner]

[empty grove]

[ebon schooner]

[vague token]

it's easy to do beeg damage when vg is time stopped when rich shells are mid flight xD

[empty grove]

Damn Richie shilling shelling

[zenith tundra]

i would actually use richy over amagi without 457

[empty grove]

In that trio comp?

I'll try it when she's 120

[zenith tundra]

it's a more offensive comp

[empty grove]

What gun was used on richie in PVP

[zenith tundra]

i only used twin 406 for speed kills

[empty grove]

Well I guess i'll test shit out when I can

[zenith tundra]

also u have better vg pressure with richy

[empty grove]

Actually

I could probably use her now

Since she's not gonna be tanking anyway

I don't wanna become a richie shill

[vague token]

i mean rich doesnt fit everywhere

no reason to force

[midnight heron]

so u decide to be a poorie

[vague token]

she just works for me cause triple 381 is perfect timing with formidable

and she has debuff

[empty grove]

So vanguard nuke huh

[vague token]

for me yeah

[zenith tundra]

i mean barrage dmg to vg

[vague token]

yeah

[crude mortar]

DEAD LIST

[vague token]

she has a lot of tools

debuff enemy main

try for vg early kill

durable

beeg fires

[zenith tundra]

the small shells do quite a bit of dmg and long burn that helps

[vague token]

yeh

[zenith tundra]

even without the nuke part she does a lot more dmg then amagi does to vg

[empty grove]

Have you tested that on JP yet?

[zenith tundra]

what richy ws fdg?

[empty grove]

Ye

[zenith tundra]

i used for a while and never had any problems with it

even test it was just like amagi version

[empty grove]

I'll give it a shot after maintenance then

Would help her level up too

What Aux do you both run on her?

[vague token]

me?

[empty grove]

Ye

& Zack

[vague token]

double sg

https://gyazo.com/fd6ac8e127ec4dec64e3919412a4fc38

is it just me or is her reload kinda high

xD

[empty grove]

I somewhat regret not rushing her

[ebon schooner]

good

[empty grove]

But I need a backline for events

[ebon schooner]

feel bad

[vague token]

that's fair

[zenith tundra]

sg beaver

she seems to be taking a beating vs nagato sometimes

[empty grove]

Double SG on FDG?

[zenith tundra]

i don't bother without 457 on her. just sg rudder for max tankiness

[empty grove]

[zenith tundra]

also no amagi so u need that

[hot creek]

double SG 457 fdg has been doing well for me so far.

I was using Rudder/HPFCR at one poin and it feels like she misses too much

[empty grove]

Yeah it was fine in the typical nagato+amagi

I'm not gonna 457 FDG over WS tho

[zenith tundra]

without 457 better off making her almost immortal since dmg she won't be really that good anyway

[hot creek]

IDK about that. You're just turning her into a prinz sitation then

[vague token]

yes, but the difference is that fdg can try to survive to shell

also fire from barrage

[zenith tundra]

vs hard focus my fdg comes close to dying with double sg with amagi

stuff like ws monarch with qe that usually won't kill juneau before 25s is a good example

[hot creek]

Yeah but vs those HMS sniper comps, even if they get an early kill they still lose anyways

There was only one time where those comps were an issue. And it was vs Eldridge.

[zenith tundra]

last time i tried tanking fdg ws focus with fdg solo without amagi or richy she just died around 25s

idk if i would want to risk it tbh

[crude mortar]

they said about pr3 update but they didn't say about new pr3 equipment?

[zenith tundra]

i was trying fdg formie cent and fdg solo couldn't stand focused dmg from defense fdg ws

[vague token]

the equips are further up, zack posted em

not completely mined though

missing the coef on the bb guns right?

[hot creek]

Well, I didn't realize you were taking ally Amagi out of the equation. Obviously not having Amagi around puts you at a higher risk for sinking early more often.

[zenith tundra]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/730657007169699902

[crude mortar]

no rainbow yet

[zenith tundra]

there is a rainbow ca gun with normal broken mods

2nd in list

[crude mortar]

ca gun damage in pvp

[zenith tundra]

nothing in pr3 is remotely close to meta tbh

[ripe latch]

dmg(all shells missed)

[zenith tundra]

hpfcr is the exception but not pr3 technically speaking

[crude mortar]

is it in pr3?

[hot creek]

But double SG FDG with Amagi buff can survive being focused just fine. It might become a problem once people starting getting multiple 457's but eh.

[zenith tundra]

yes

[zenith tundra]

with amagi yes it's not a problem for sure but idk about richy variant. she can not proc barrage and no dr at all

[crude mortar]

did they already forgot existance of cv or what

[zenith tundra]

what cv?

[crude mortar]

yeah what is it

[vague token]

[crude mortar]

his gun looks garbage

or not

[zenith tundra]

that gun is best barrage gun tbh

with a coefficient of 1.05 that is

[crude mortar]

oh I forgot about 🅱️ arrage cuz I never use 🅱️ 🅱️ arrager

65 fp ca gun

is that rainbow

the hell

[zenith tundra]

ofc it's rainbow

those mods are so broken tho

[vague token]

even if they were normal mods it's still crazy base

xD

[velvet oracle]

https://streamable.com/yyu632 drake 🅱️arrage

[zenith tundra]

raw is still better then any other ca gun

[vague token]

not aoe

oof

[zenith tundra]

aimed tho

at the very least not total trash on auto

[vague token]

yeah

definitely usable

dunno if it's really DR worthy

if only it was HE

the CA gun

sanrui doesnt get anything out of it

[tough dirge]

i had 8 attempts when the server went on maintenance

monka quick pls

[narrow meadow]

I had 6

[vague token]

rip

[upper sparrow]

F

[abstract cypress]

odin hype

now my kms fleet is complete

we still missing op vg smh

[sour oasis]

PR rainbow gun 2 and HPFCR. This is another pvp arms race?

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

hpfcr is the only reason to do pr3 for pvp

[upper sparrow]

Is there any good eq for pvp from pr3 beside hpfcr?

[zenith tundra]

triple 406mm is better then triple 410 ap if u are using that

[upper sparrow]

So for ap gun now are like this then
Twin 457>triple 406>triple 410

[zenith tundra]

yes. 406 has like 10% better dps on medium and 11% on heavy. less on light but not that important tbh

[frail orbit]

As if we'd care

457 still reigned

[ionic magnet]

so in short

zero reason to do pr3

[zenith tundra]

hpfcr is a pretty good reason tbh. not better then dr dev 30 but still very good reason

[ionic magnet]

yea its nice

but definitely not worth doing til you finish d30 azuma/fdg

[frail orbit]

But like what

Unless yer not boomer

No reason to do it

[ionic magnet]

how many BPs does it need btw

25?

[frail orbit]

Even then, as a boomer, I'd personally consider it as lesser priority than WHERE'S MUH FUKIN 1 457 BP or MUH AZUMA D30 WHEN

[zenith tundra]

u can use 3 hpfcr tbh

[frail orbit]

[ionic magnet]

[frail orbit]

49/50 there

Fok research

[zenith tundra]

i haven't finished 1 research so idk

should be 25 most likely

[ionic magnet]

so around a month to finish 1

yea thats a pass

[zenith tundra]

what do u still need from pr2?

[ionic magnet]

my azuma is still d28 and d25 fdg

[zenith tundra]

idk if i would do non dr faces for pr2 anymore. is not like u get many dr bps from those if aren't cubes

[ionic magnet]

youre still missing BPs for fate sim?

[zenith tundra]

nah

all i'm missing is 5 457 bps

[ionic magnet]

oh lol

[upper sparrow]

So what is the change of pr2 getting fs5?

[zenith tundra]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ckR5P2aNGM2nD4icExa4HizSNw2cGKIS5FHr6X138kU/htmlview?pru=AAABc1WnLhI*pv3EB6hdPV2EIjp2kDvXjQ#

[ionic magnet]

idk i dont do non dr faces for pr2 too

you want 457 BPs right? do those comms have good rates

[zenith tundra]

georgia is 10% cv/cvl dmg. seattle gets her fp/reload buff at start of battle when negative airspace control. kita gets 6% dr for 50s and -2 to torp needed for her barrage. gascogne gets 12% aa buff and enhanced barrage when over 50% hp at start of battle

gascogne has best fate for sure

[frail orbit]

Also

Since PR3 got HPFCR

[ionic magnet]

georgia has bonus dmg to BBs too right

[frail orbit]

FDG HPFCR+SG when we got 3 HPFCR?

[ionic magnet]

wonder hows her dmg now

[zenith tundra]

that's her default skill not fate boost

[ionic magnet]

oh rip

[zenith tundra]

she always had the hunter skill vs bb

[ionic magnet]

i never used her so

[zenith tundra]

it's not relevant for pve anyway

[frail orbit]

Anyway

[zenith tundra]

very few bb bosses

[frail orbit]

FDG HPFCR+SG now since we got PR3 HPFCR announced?

When we got 3 HPFCR ofc

[zenith tundra]

either hpfcr rudder or double sg

[frail orbit]

Or still 2SG?

[zenith tundra]

no such thing as sg hpfcr imo

[frail orbit]

I meant

Her hit abysmal leh

[zenith tundra]

but en doesn't have 457 so u might get away with full offensive

[frail orbit]

Just anticipating when I actually need to go against kurumi lel

[zenith tundra]

he doesn't have 457 either

[coral wren]

Is there no ijn for pr3?

those other ships looks boring

[zenith tundra]

no ijn no uss ships

[ionic magnet]

no ijn cos theyre more boring

[coral wren]

wtf no burger and nip ships

guess I'm skipping this pr3 bullshit

the design looks like trash

Really wish they stop adding more KMS ships

[frail orbit]

Actually more KMS is kinda appreciated tho

For PVE

Also

[upper sparrow]

@zenith tundra is that mean seattle get reload buff at acv negative?

[frail orbit]

Faction tech wise

[coral wren]

KMS for pvp

[zenith tundra]

she should get her 15 planes shoot down bonus at start of battle when acv is negative

[coral wren]

Are we getting a 24 hour maintenance

[zenith tundra]

jp ended 1 hr earlier. might be easy for en too but there is also a lot of research text to tl so who knows

[coral wren]

oh

I'm surprised they didn't run into some weird problem

[zenith tundra]

cn had wrong ships in background for pr3 faces research

[coral wren]

more apologems

Here's hoping EN gets delayed so we get 2k oil

[zenith tundra]

it is 25 for hpfcr. got 1 bp from 1st research

[ionic magnet]

[buoyant parrot]

is KATO here?!

[shy hazel]

pvp hype about pr3 gun when they dont have pr2 gun yet

[crude mortar]

[shy hazel]

mmm

guess ill go drake first

[buoyant parrot]

sucks to be them

[shy hazel]

i have the gun but i dont have any dr at dev30

[buoyant parrot]

well same... lol!

[shy hazel]

what i see is

[buoyant parrot]

FDG is at flimsy 24

😂

[shy hazel]

ppl who didnt do cube research so much

got more bps

[zenith tundra]

i'm doing odin. seems like most interesting

[buoyant parrot]

im not gonna go P3 yet until I finish the whole PR2 thing.

[shy hazel]

im just gonna build all of them asap as usual

[buoyant parrot]

not unless the PR3 is PvP breaking

[shy hazel]

wont bother research

[zenith tundra]

pr3 is the opposite of pr2 for pvp. almost everything is useless

[buoyant parrot]

well then, that means I'll stay in PR2 then lol

[coral wren]

Since hpfcr will be theoretically unlimited, how many do I need

I have 0 now

[zenith tundra]

u can only ever use 3 bb at a time in pvp

[coral wren]

Yup I know that

[frail orbit]

4 personally

3 for PVP

1 for EX

[coral wren]

Oh

So 1 per bb in pvp

[frail orbit]

[coral wren]

3 it is then

Unless I suddenly want to play ex mode

[zenith tundra]

u can use 3 if u want to

[frail orbit]

Optional anyway

Could use 2SG

For FDG

But personally rudder + HPFCR new BIS for all BB sans some

[shy hazel]

hpfcr huh

i wonder

why did u remove it zack

[crude mortar]

6hour maint

they scam

[coral wren]

[hot creek]

kek 🚮

[shy hazel]

trash can aa

[crude mortar]

best game ion the world

[hot creek]

PR2 diluted with new 🚮 projects . Unless theres a rainbow gun proj.

[crude mortar]

how do I catch up 457

I thought its 10 hour main

SCAMMER

[shy hazel]

hey its you fault for not reading

[crude mortar]

they say 10 hour

but it 6

how behind am i

[ionic magnet]

p sure announcements say 6 hrs

[upper sparrow]

EN'd

[crude mortar]

nobody move yet

[frail orbit]

778 10/10
Still at 700ish for the left ones

Wait til he's finished rushing

[shy hazel]

i wonder

ye from the simulations

odin looks the most usable in pvp

first skill is big meme tho

[karmic forum]

Her secondaries seem pretty good

Still think her stats are too low

[shy hazel]

auto attack mechanic wise

shes opposite azuma

backline but got frontline gunner

but ye stats and first skill is meme

if only she was dr and had dr stats and better skills

[karmic forum]

Although shes one of the few ways to add focus to flagship

Not that it matters too much rn

[zenith tundra]

the closest to being usable and still only in a meme comp anyway

[coral wren]

does odin barrage hit the enemy backline

[zenith tundra]

it's flat barrage so hits whatever it finds

https://streamable.com/svrjmd

[shy hazel]

im more interested in that meme vg gun

[light crystal]

Hmm, for my needs, I probably only need one extra HPFCR for PvP

Don't see needing more than 2 for most triple BB comps I can think of

Cuz you want to stuff a Beaver on someone

So eh

[shy hazel]

its even hard to find 1 slot for my needs

[light crystal]

Yeah, it varies with wut ppl use.

SG Radars, PR Rudders, HPFCR, and Beaver stuffed somewhere. 😓

[zenith tundra]

why are people counting hpfcr already when we don't even know how long will it last... can be another 15 months and we all get 10 useless hpfcr

[leaden sleet]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/730779051979046922
how do you get such a zoomed out view where you can see the backrow?

[crude mortar]

I feels like drake isn't usable in pvp or what

her 2nd skill doesn't exists in pvp

[crude mortar]

I have a question

leipzig skill

Increases Firepower, Torpedo stat, and Reload of all Cruisers by 1% (10%). Does not stack with other command skills that have similar effect.

will it increase odin?

it say cruisers

odin is battlecruisers

[cloud pumice]

No

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

no it would buff all bc then

[crude mortar]

THOUGHT ODINJ CAN HIT HARDER WITH LEIPZIG

THIS GAME SUCKS

[zenith tundra]

is not like there are no bb buffers

[crude mortar]

who

[zenith tundra]

hyuuga

[crude mortar]

I mean vg

[zenith tundra]

no buff for bb they are already too broken anyway

[crude mortar]

odin using ca gun does it mean she do shitty dmg

she might be good if she can kill enemy vg fast

cuz thats what iron black lack

clear all enemy vg and nuke them with fdg

[zenith tundra]

what ca gun?

[crude mortar]

oh bb gun

I misread

zz

can odin move or just stay at the same spot all the fight?

cuz if odin stay on the same spot like this