#pvp | Azur Lane Official | Page 628

crude mortar Jul 8, 2020, 9:52 AM

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what torp hull

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new item?

proper sorrel Jul 8, 2020, 9:53 AM

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no?

frail orbit Jul 8, 2020, 9:56 AM

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@upper sparrow lanciau = lanjiao

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Just google it or else me getting bonked lel

tough dirge Jul 8, 2020, 10:35 AM

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no its not

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its anti torp bulge but its just hull

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you didnt know?

shy hazel Jul 8, 2020, 11:15 AM

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bo jio

crude mortar Jul 8, 2020, 11:52 AM

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im back into the game

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140 start

proper sorrel Jul 8, 2020, 12:37 PM

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inb4 bad resets

true vale Jul 8, 2020, 12:37 PM

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Any thoughts on noshiro Toolbox + Boiler vs PR Rudder + Boiler? What should I prefferably give her?

upper sparrow Jul 8, 2020, 12:50 PM

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Im prefer rudder/boiler+pearl tbh, depend on how many u put boiler on other ship

true vale Jul 8, 2020, 12:51 PM

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I have one on Yuki and one on Noshiro, Juneau has Pearl + Toolbox, I also have a beaver in the backline

upper sparrow Jul 8, 2020, 12:51 PM

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Usually you want noshi die after juneau so pearl is good on her, u can put boiler on juneau instead

true vale Jul 8, 2020, 12:54 PM

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Hm, so toolbox + Rudder on noshiro, and Boiler + Pearl on Juneau?

hot creek Jul 8, 2020, 12:54 PM

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Nah, I usually want Noshi to die first but not too early.

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Avoid pearl on Juneau if you can

upper sparrow Jul 8, 2020, 12:54 PM

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Why use box on noshi when pearl exist

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Also yeah should avoid pearl on junie

true vale Jul 8, 2020, 12:55 PM

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Wait, so.. Toolbox and Boiler on Juneau, and Rudder + Pearl on noshiro yeah?

hot creek Jul 8, 2020, 12:56 PM

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When I was using Noshi she gets Pearl/Boiler, Juneau Bulge/Boiler

upper sparrow Jul 8, 2020, 12:57 PM

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Im using rudder+boiler on noshi and same setup like phoenix on jun, well pearl+boiler should work too

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Better to try it and see the performance by urself BuckyPride

true vale Jul 8, 2020, 12:58 PM

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Yeah I guess, cause now I'm completely at a loss 😄

hot creek Jul 8, 2020, 12:59 PM

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pearl on noshi since she's at the front and it protects Juneau from dying too early. I basically never lost with that setup.

true vale Jul 8, 2020, 12:59 PM

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I feel like the peal needs to be in there somewhere. I'm gonna put it on Noshiro along with the Rudder, and give Juneau the Boiler + Toolbox, since she's light armor anyways.

hot creek Jul 8, 2020, 12:59 PM

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and you can't get cheesed by torp teams with that setup

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there is no reason to use toolbox ever

true vale Jul 8, 2020, 1:00 PM

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Wait wut. Since when is Noshi at the front? I thought most comps use Juneau front and Noshiro mid.

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I thought it was azuma front and Juneau mid if you use that setup.

upper sparrow Jul 8, 2020, 1:00 PM

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The most benefit of using rudder on noshi is u have no need to swap the aux if u use noshi on pve kek

hot creek Jul 8, 2020, 1:01 PM

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Juneau front dies early if you get bad rng

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Noshi front with pearl and Juneau mid is so good with its general timing of Juneau's sinking

upper sparrow Jul 8, 2020, 1:02 PM

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Usually i use jun mid if encounter namaryuu fleet, again warkai def jun mid will just not go die CleveStare

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well if the enemy is warkai with nagato still put jun on mid bcs of fricking big seven tho kek

hot creek Jul 8, 2020, 1:04 PM

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Honestly I'm debating with myself if Azuma is really that great

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like, I literally never had issues using Namagi/WS, Noshiro/Juneau/Yuki

true vale Jul 8, 2020, 1:05 PM

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I still don't have nagato :/ so I'm using Amagi Warkai and Hiryuukai. Not optimal but eh. The best I can muster at the moment

upper sparrow Jul 8, 2020, 1:07 PM

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Warkai can carry every comp so dont worry m8 BuckySmug

true vale Jul 8, 2020, 1:07 PM

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There's not a single match where Warkai isn't mvp so I very much believe it.

ionic magnet Jul 8, 2020, 2:04 PM

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juneau front works perfectly on offense tbh

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jun mid tends to die late for me but it might be a fleet comp thing

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its still better to try switching them around yourself and see what works with your comp

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i'd rather make sure noshi survives longer cos she does a decent amount of dmg too

midnight heron Jul 8, 2020, 2:43 PM

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tfw my noshi mid dies faster then enemy noshi front MutsukiCurse the amount of bs in dis game

rocky shadow Jul 8, 2020, 2:57 PM

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Remember rng is involved

midnight heron Jul 8, 2020, 3:58 PM

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doesnt make it feel any less bs

narrow meadow Jul 8, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Richelieu likes to steal MVP from warspite

sterile bluff Jul 8, 2020, 5:14 PM

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then smth is wrong with ur warspite lol

narrow meadow Jul 8, 2020, 5:14 PM

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something tells me you haven't tried riche

sterile bluff Jul 8, 2020, 5:14 PM

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i did

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but i don't have warkai

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only halfkai famineFavoriteEmote

whole terrace Jul 8, 2020, 5:14 PM

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she sometimes steals mvp for me too tbh

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I don't really value the damage recount screen much though.

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Still impressive i guess

narrow meadow Jul 8, 2020, 5:17 PM

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she's still the MVP of my heart every match

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all that matters

ebon schooner Jul 8, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Richie is de wei

sour oasis Jul 8, 2020, 6:00 PM

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I still can't believe the luck of getting 150 on day 1 PortDoll

vague token Jul 8, 2020, 6:15 PM

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juneau mid on offense is asking for triple bb or center/formi to kill someone before she heals xD

sour oasis Jul 8, 2020, 6:32 PM

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TBH, Juneau on any slots but front tank is risking death before martyrdom.

hot creek Jul 8, 2020, 6:59 PM

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juneau mid is only sometimes an "issue" against certain meme teams but you win against those teams anyways regardless if she heals or not.

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juneau front is just asking to get rekt by anything meta, even though it works if you dont get unlucky

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mid jun rarely ever dies too late to the point where it matters, at least not as much as front dying too early when it matters.

vague token Jul 8, 2020, 7:14 PM

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i definitely have more problems with juneau mid than front, if nagato one shots you on first barrage that's ez rng

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but i dont use Tru Meta

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xD

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although i swapped my comp maybe i can do azuma lead now

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although it might be better to have aurora mid

sterile bluff Jul 8, 2020, 7:35 PM

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this is another one of those few times where a moron decides to not use retro skin...

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hot creek Jul 8, 2020, 7:52 PM

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lol sometimes I dont use retro skin on ws since its funny

ionic magnet Jul 8, 2020, 8:47 PM

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6 hr maint only means no need to rush

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BuckySmug

cinder crater Jul 8, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Has anyone tried to use Izumo to tank warkai/457

vague token Jul 8, 2020, 8:57 PM

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the problem isnt tanking, you still gotta kill ships

ebon schooner Jul 8, 2020, 9:05 PM

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ringring

sterile bluff Jul 8, 2020, 9:05 PM

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that's pretty big brain

frail orbit Jul 8, 2020, 10:46 PM

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🧠

tough dirge Jul 8, 2020, 10:57 PM

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bedtime zz

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dude if only i could beat ijn juneau meta fleet would have beeb epic

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HandsUp

shy hazel Jul 8, 2020, 11:23 PM

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who says u cant

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with enuf resets anything is possible

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feelsgreatman

granite flame Jul 9, 2020, 2:43 AM

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datamines out yet? @zenith tundra

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Maint hasn't started for cnjp yet lol

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Need to wait for that

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Also
Odin position z35wow

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Not sure if a good thing for PvP tbh
I think it probably helps defense out? And probably neutral or negative for offense

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 2:49 AM

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we need to know how it works 1st tbh

granite flame Jul 9, 2020, 2:49 AM

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if it can be used to dodge bb shells

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maybe itll be good

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 2:50 AM

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without knowing how it works is hard to have an idea on how good odin position is

granite flame Jul 9, 2020, 2:50 AM

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yah

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same with her other skills

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 2:50 AM

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soon(tm)

granite flame Jul 9, 2020, 2:51 AM

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I am also hype to see the new "shelling gimic" from french girl

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 2:51 AM

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also, she's probably gonna eat the biscuit problem

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35% reduction to aux guns

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i bet

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 2:51 AM

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2-3hrs. no need for tm

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 2:51 AM

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and only agm+1

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 2:51 AM

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aux +1 is without a doubt a thing

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 2:52 AM

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the only difference i see

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is that she will probably have 200 efficiency

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instead of biscuit's 180

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but i would say good odds of aux gun reduction built into the skill

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 2:52 AM

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as a bc?

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 2:52 AM

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as a pr

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they usually have a bit higher

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WarShrug

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Maybe even 210, who knows

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 2:53 AM

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kms bc aux have 150%

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 2:53 AM

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did they pop up a stat chart yet?

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xD

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 2:53 AM

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But yeah, BC means likely nerfed effs....

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 2:53 AM

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stats based on what?

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Inb4 150% and not even SGM+1

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 2:54 AM

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no maint no patch

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Like ugly sisters

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 2:54 AM

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no datamine

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 2:54 AM

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oh wait then again we dont have a BC comparison

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no the image

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you know in the tweets they have that little graph

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but we dont have anyone to compare so

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Aka shit devs pull out of ass?

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 2:54 AM

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those image stats are stupid. amagi and hood both have a

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 2:54 AM

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BuckyPride

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 2:54 AM

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LOL

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 2:54 AM

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kek

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wait amagi is A?

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that's hilarious

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i would have expected it to be S

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Exactly, it's a joke

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 2:55 AM

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or is it just amagi xD

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Like gun range all over again

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Nah

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 2:55 AM

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ok

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WarShrug

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 2:55 AM

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A looot of ships have relatively nonsensical letter grades on their stats

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 2:56 AM

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isee

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i guess odin will probably have around 175-180 efficiency

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fdg has 220

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skipping biscuit who is pure gimmick

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Like, if you're comparing, say, omaha tier to something, well
Then it's the right direction at least

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 2:56 AM

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tirpitz is 200

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maybe even 165 at lowest

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10% over regular

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big oof

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Ugly sisters are 150% and not even SGM+1

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So, uh

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Not a good starting point CentaurXD

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 2:57 AM

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yeh

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so then i guess ill go with 165%, agm+1, -35% damage in the skill

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hybrid of biscuit and the ugly sisters

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 2:58 AM

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I don't think there'll be a dmg pen if there is no extended range

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 2:58 AM

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i don't think they will make odin just break the game with aux dmg clearing everything

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 2:58 AM

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And I suspect it's just movement

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 2:58 AM

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there's no difference between moving forward 90 units forward

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or w/e

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and adding 30 range

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except taking more risk

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xD

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Given how bis ended up, I think SGM+1 and 150% eff with no damage penalty is probably just fine

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:00 AM

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wouldnt that be better than biscuit? xD

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Given she's a "smaller BC" I expect her FP to be on the low end

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:00 AM

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true

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Yeah, and slightly better than bis on secs is just fine

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:01 AM

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the other problem is she'll eat the main fleet penalty

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:01 AM

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For a PR

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:01 AM

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so she'll be super better than biscuit

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in terms of relative aux damage

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not that you would use either in pvp

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but still

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xD

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:01 AM

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depends what u compare her with because we just had a bb with ur/dr fp

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:01 AM

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She's not DR, right? Just PR

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:02 AM

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pr

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:02 AM

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And she seems to be pushed as a "light BC"

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:02 AM

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maybe they'll make her a new category

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like large cruiser but for main

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:02 AM

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So I expect she'll have significantly lower FP than the PR BBs

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:02 AM

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so hood tier fp

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xD

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:02 AM

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i don't think so. she's most likely be a bc

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Probably tbh

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Hood tier or so

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:02 AM

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give or take

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Would be even lower if not PR, but hey, PR boost

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:03 AM

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ugly sisters have 360ish fp if we use them as a base

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Thinkpitz

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Anyway, 360ish base FP, 150% eff, AGM+1, movement gimmick, seems fine to me on that front
Slightly better than Bis, I think? Which is perfectly fine imo

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:04 AM

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yeah

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assuming the plane crash code is not checking for main fleet tag

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she'll be invulnerable to that in pve

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not sure about pvp

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:05 AM

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she shouldn't be tho

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Nah, defs not

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:05 AM

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does crash check position?

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and not the ship type?

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Thinkpitz

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cause you'd be trading crash for bomb damage

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which is WarShrug

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:05 AM

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suicide dmg should affect everyone tagged as main fleet. (unless spaghetti code)

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:05 AM

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big oof

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well i guess we'll find out

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eventually

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then again it would be a pretty big detriment in pvp to be untargeted by crash

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Hmm, one thing this will really mess with, probably
Barrages
Linear ones will be bodyblocked, which idk if that's useful/good
Fixed arcing ones though, she might just be out of range of all of those

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:07 AM

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unless the game makes her immune

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maybe they will give her a suicide damage reduction skill?

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:07 AM

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u want a bc tanking nagato? idk

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Well, is there even any fixed-distance barrages left in meta?
Just FdG I suppose

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:08 AM

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i mean you can toss armor on her

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xD

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Can always VH her, but yeah, hence idk if it's even useful

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:08 AM

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/when she's in range of torps

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kek

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i feel like she's just another pve power clear

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:08 AM

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And will be targeted by ryuus fairly often prolly

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:08 AM

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but not event locked

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:08 AM

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And bombs

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:08 AM

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u could negate some fixed barrages like fdg

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:09 AM

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She's KMS Tosa? BuckyPride

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:09 AM

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kms tosa that takes double the aviation damage

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because she's in the aoe of bombs more

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and still takes crash

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xD

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Well, I mean for PvE

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:09 AM

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oh ok

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:09 AM

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let's see what her mg/barrages do

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:09 AM

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i mean i suppose there could be an advantage for pulling enemy shots that normally target VG

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cause she'll definitely have 7k+ hp

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:10 AM

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More like

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:10 AM

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probably like 8.5k?

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:10 AM

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She'll get splashed by stuff targeting VG

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She'll splash onto VG stuff targeting her

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Especially for offense team

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Who doesn't enjoy taking multiples of dmg from shelling/bombs

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:11 AM

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if her aux is good tho u could just fast clear opponent vg and at that point it wouldn't be much of a negative

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Not like offense main doesn't already range vanguard

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She probably doesn't close distance enough to hit reliably

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:12 AM

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30 range on aux means she'll be actually perma shooting aux

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whatever she hits or not

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Yeah, but her aux most likely is weaker than standard

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:12 AM

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it's 100% guaranteed she has a weakened aux

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Sure, shoots more often, but lower DpS to begin with

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:12 AM

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there's no way

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biscuit eats 10% less efficiency on top of 35% penalty

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xD

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:13 AM

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as long as it's not as bad as bismark should be fine

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:13 AM

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And like 30 ish closer range shouldn't make her secs consistently hit more than standard

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It's more of a for defense thing

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:13 AM

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the one advantage is less travel time

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Where now you have secs that can actually range at all

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:13 AM

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the difference tho is that the 30 range affects more spread on bismark aux then odin being closer to vg

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:13 AM

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yeah

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Again, I don't think the lowered travel time really makes a diff

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You still won't hit a moving vanguard

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:14 AM

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i mean it's still higher odds

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:14 AM

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Need to wait for stops/double backs as usual

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:14 AM

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but then again ive been using formidable like the last 3 months xD

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:15 AM

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I mean
Vanguard moving? No hits
Vanguard doubles back/stops? Hits
How's that any diff from usual?

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:15 AM

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use ap gun ;)

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jk

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:15 AM

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I suppose less spread means a few more hits when enemy stationary?

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:15 AM

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if only there were ammo types that were significantly faster

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or start of battle slows

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:15 AM

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azuma vg tend to be slower and somewhat easier to hit imo

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Pretty sure CL AP still isn't fast enough to hit a moving vanguard, but we'll see I suppose

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:15 AM

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it isnt

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isnt it like 10 projectile speed difference?

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barely anything

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Squared

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Actual movement speed scales with square of speed stat

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:16 AM

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oh ok

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i guess that's actually a lot

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:17 AM

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CL AP iirc is 50% faster than CL HE, 22 vs 17 was it?
Shell velocity is 0.1*speed^2 in units/s

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Or was it twice as fast, forget exact numbers

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:18 AM

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uh, on wiki it shows 150 on he

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220 on ap

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so exponents are first... uh

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Still, I don't think a bit less distance allows Nepgun on Odin to hit a moving standard VG

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:18 AM

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probably not

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rip

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ill use her with biscuit ryuuhou i guess

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Should be 15 and 22 then, idk what wiki is on lol

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:19 AM

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EntyLUL

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the easiest full clear with gloucester

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in the west

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xD

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ammo penalty? only small problem

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:19 AM

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22.5 vs, 48.4, so yeah, over twice as fast

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:19 AM

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that formula is weird because it gives 2250 for 150 base unless wiki data is a weird unit of measure

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:19 AM

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useless for pvp but that's ok

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:20 AM

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is it that games uses 15 instead of 150?

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:20 AM

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Speed stat on shell literally should be listed as 15

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Idk where wiki gets 150/220 from

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:20 AM

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i noticed that on bb he is at 10 in new ui for speed and wiki is 100

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Again, idk where wiki gets numbers
Direct datamined client gives numbers 10x smaller

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Not sure how they pepega'd that lol

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Anyways, actual velocity for shell is 0.1*speed^2

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For vanguard is 0.01*(averaged speed)^2

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:22 AM

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WarShrug

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:22 AM

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i would still use seattle gun tbh

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:23 AM

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If Nepgun on offense can consistently hit a moving speed meta vanguard, then maybe it can be considered

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I really doubt it though, we'll see I suppose

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:25 AM

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📎 EcdA6KeU0AA7T0n.png

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Also just overall I have doubts about odin for PvP in general
No buffs/debuffs afaik
And I don't expect outstanding stats or other broken skills

velvet oracle Jul 9, 2020, 3:25 AM

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odin is heavy lul

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ckR5P2aNGM2nD4icExa4HizSNw2cGKIS5FHr6X138kU/htmlview?pru=AAABc1WnLhI*pv3EB6hdPV2EIjp2kDvXjQ#gid=0

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:25 AM

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361 fp

velvet oracle Jul 9, 2020, 3:25 AM

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140% bb gun

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no secondaries?

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Torpedo aux lol

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:26 AM

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torpedoes what?

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Called that FP stat though

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:27 AM

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15% life steal not that much for drake

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:27 AM

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kek

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looks like we got memed

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instant bench

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Yeah, drake for PvP looks, erm, um

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:28 AM

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40% cdr on 180% eff for champagne wtf

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:28 AM

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At least she has mogami weapon setup

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Oh damn

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:29 AM

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is it me or champagne looks broken?

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Champagne looks pretty good for PvE for sure
We'll see how barrage is for PvP

velvet oracle Jul 9, 2020, 3:30 AM

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medium armor 6.8k hp for BB?

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:30 AM

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~~chesire aa mount +1~~

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Yeah lol

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New AA Queen on the bloc? Lol

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:31 AM

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that's like isuzu/sandy tier aa

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:31 AM

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xD

velvet oracle Jul 9, 2020, 3:32 AM

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man that S HP for Mainz vs A HP for Seattle, then she has only 5 more hp than Seattle lmao

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Champagne is the only one that potentially stands out to me for PvP

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Still, no utility

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:33 AM

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odin has asw so rip any chances for pvp LOL

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:34 AM

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lul

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i mean not having an aux is basically ded

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:34 AM

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maybe is a richy comp with fdg tank? seems like only chances for her

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or just ws tank/dps

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Odin doesn't have a secondary gun?

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:35 AM

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Wait wtf

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:35 AM

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aux torp

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:35 AM

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torp

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:35 AM

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No secondary skill

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 3:35 AM

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I guess the PvP dream is dead GWmemetownOMEGALUL

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:35 AM

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So literally no secondary guns lol

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:35 AM

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F for kms pvp

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:35 AM

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Her torp pattern is "optimized" kek

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 3:35 AM

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Mainz actually looks good though

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:35 AM

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They're all pretty much PvE Queens

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:35 AM

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outside of azuma ignoring shields

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:36 AM

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Champagne is the only one that might be interesting for PvP I think

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:36 AM

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my only problem with champagne is that her timing is not sycned to formidable xD

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the power of rich SandyMeme

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:36 AM

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champagne 1st built and maxed for sure at least for me

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 3:37 AM

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Champagne is pretty much just asking to get sniped by warkai

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:37 AM

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u put her on a safe spot ofc

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:37 AM

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Wait, am I blind?

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:37 AM

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what

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:37 AM

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Where's MGM+1 on Odin

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:37 AM

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good joke

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 3:37 AM

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Thats fine for offense but shes a sitting duck on defense.

granite flame Jul 9, 2020, 3:37 AM

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@zenith tundra STATUS REPORT

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IS THE DREAM DEAD

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:37 AM

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medium armor and hp can be fixed by VH

ripe latch Jul 9, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Health 6896

When HP >75%, take 50% of the flagship's damage taken for them, when HP <75%, self Evasion/ACC +5-15%

SandyMeme ?

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:38 AM

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u don't use meme fleets on defense.

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Lets just say that the odin dream was taken behind the barn

granite flame Jul 9, 2020, 3:38 AM

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what about mainz

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:38 AM

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PvE queen

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:38 AM

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u won't be using meme french comp on defense ofc. just use usual ijn cancer meta

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Mainz definitely makes it in KMS comp

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:39 AM

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shield every 15s

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good for pve

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Mainz doesn't have anything to offer for PvP

granite flame Jul 9, 2020, 3:39 AM

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she will replace prinz then because PR stats?

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Obviously you take her for pure KMS since there's only two other not shit PvP ships for KMS

ionic magnet Jul 9, 2020, 3:39 AM

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ehhhh all these skills are so disappointing

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:40 AM

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printz was a meme so it's not hard to replace her

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Everything is no synergy as is usual for PR stuff

ripe latch Jul 9, 2020, 3:40 AM

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looks cheshire not bad on hms , yea?

granite flame Jul 9, 2020, 3:40 AM

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whats the deal with Odin though @karmic forum

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:40 AM

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champagne looks good tho and drake might be good if barrage dmg is good

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:41 AM

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Cheshire is Brem minmaxed harder for AA

ripe latch Jul 9, 2020, 3:41 AM

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SandyMeme

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Self damage taken reduced by 5-15%, every 12s after battle starts, 50-100% chance to fire a barrage.

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:41 AM

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400+ base AA

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165% eff with AA mount+1

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Up to +15% AA buff

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:42 AM

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xD

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:42 AM

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I think that puts her still short of the AA gods, but not by much?

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Cheshire n Drake more like true tanker for HMS PVE tho

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Especially W13

ripe latch Jul 9, 2020, 3:42 AM

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odin 30 speed , trp kms soon?

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Odin doesn't have a secondary gun from the looks of it

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:43 AM

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chesire might be actually a good boss tank in w13

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:43 AM

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Drake is premium minnie basically?

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:43 AM

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Looks like it

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 3:43 AM

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So the proposed idea of Odin dealing a lot of damage to vanguard goes out the window

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:43 AM

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But different shit from Minnie

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But anyway how tf Odin skill actually being useful smhw

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 3:43 AM

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Also poor stats and not that useful skills in general based off of first impressions

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:43 AM

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Other than being gimmick

ripe latch Jul 9, 2020, 3:44 AM

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Every 30-20s, fire a special barrage, heal self of 15% of damage dealt by this barrage

imagine if she can fire 2 or more times this

granite flame Jul 9, 2020, 3:44 AM

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what are the new fate sim buffs for PR2 ships also

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:44 AM

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Also, please tell me odin is MGM+2

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She is MGM+2, no?

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:44 AM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ckR5P2aNGM2nD4icExa4HizSNw2cGKIS5FHr6X138kU/htmlview?pru=AAABc1WnLhI*pv3EB6hdPV2EIjp2kDvXjQ#gid=0

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just check

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:44 AM

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That doesn't list MGM+1

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At all

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:44 AM

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cv/cvl boost for georgia LOL

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:44 AM

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It does for the others

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But not on odin

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Which makes me worried

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But 140% MG eff, no way she's not MGM+2, no?

ionic magnet Jul 9, 2020, 3:45 AM

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dont even know who I'll build first cos they're all garbo

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:45 AM

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idk i like champagne a lot

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Champagne is great

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PvE she seems broken

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Personally I'd just do Champ and the HMS

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Time to meme with french fleets

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Like what

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SCREW GASCO

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 3:46 AM

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For PvP purposes shes the most promising option

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:46 AM

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CHAMP MUH NEW BAE

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Screw musecan, yeah

shell heron Jul 9, 2020, 3:46 AM

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20-40% shelling cdr reduction sounds fun. not even 1st shelling

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Champagne the third main for Richi fleet

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Yeah

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Basically

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For baguette meme

ripe latch Jul 9, 2020, 3:46 AM

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AkagiLUL

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:46 AM

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More like, you'd take her first over JB

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:47 AM

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more like richy is there to buff champagne

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:47 AM

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Drake, am personally need to see the barrage

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:47 AM

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Think about that
40% CDR is 60% more shots

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:47 AM

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Bkoz

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DR

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:47 AM

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not champagne is there because of richy

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:47 AM

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Omegalilwoo

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And enuff DR PTSD pls

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:47 AM

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She's like MGM+2.2, except half of it is aimed

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And she has 180% eff

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Whew

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:48 AM

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454 fp too

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:48 AM

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HOLY

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FOK

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:48 AM

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Given her protection skill is specialized for off flag, I'd bet her barrage is special too

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:48 AM

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SASUGAY OUIABOOO

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:48 AM

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+5% fp boost no matter the gun

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:48 AM

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Tosa esque, or at least georgia or amagi esque

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:48 AM

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Omegalilwoo

shell heron Jul 9, 2020, 3:49 AM

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2 barrages. timed and on-fire

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doesn't mention procc rate

proper sorrel Jul 9, 2020, 3:49 AM

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🥖 meta

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Probably tosa like setup

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Where one is shit

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:49 AM

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OUIABOO MANJUU CONFIRMED

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:49 AM

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100% is good enough

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Still, just her shelling alone is good enough

ripe latch Jul 9, 2020, 3:50 AM

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but base hp after farm ~5,5-5.7k hp

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AkagiLUL

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meta

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:50 AM

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If she didn't have barrage, she'd still be very good

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Yeah, for PvP, not good for defense, she'd just get warkai sniped if good enough to run

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:51 AM

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i think they forgot to put her dr tbh

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:51 AM

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Guys, French Fleet PvP

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LETS GO

shell heron Jul 9, 2020, 3:51 AM

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low base HP for a BB with med armor

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:51 AM

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As PvE specialist, borderline if not outright broken

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:51 AM

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Gascogne can heal 32% of HP

shell heron Jul 9, 2020, 3:51 AM

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WS food

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:51 AM

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That means 11k total HP

ripe latch Jul 9, 2020, 3:51 AM

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GWjiangPepeThumb 11k hp enough for bb

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:51 AM

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AND Champage seems very strong

granite flame Jul 9, 2020, 3:51 AM

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Georgia is getting her Ironsight caliber skill buffed?

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from fate sim?

ionic magnet Jul 9, 2020, 3:51 AM

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pve is whatever

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 3:51 AM

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Ok so am I blind

ionic magnet Jul 9, 2020, 3:52 AM

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nothing looks top tier in pvp

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:52 AM

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7k is not that low. especially if u don't have to tank focused dmg

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Or does Odin look like pure garbage

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:52 AM

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yes

granite flame Jul 9, 2020, 3:52 AM

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she is

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trash

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Outside of having Torps & being a meme

granite flame Jul 9, 2020, 3:52 AM

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@empty grove

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Lmao

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Good

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Fuck you KMS bros

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pepePoint

ionic magnet Jul 9, 2020, 3:52 AM

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lmao

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:52 AM

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odin is 100% garbo

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in like everything

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xD

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Champ looks good tho

granite flame Jul 9, 2020, 3:52 AM

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how much of a buff were the fate sims for PR2's

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anything of interest?

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Provided barrages aren't shit

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Richelieu, GascongeDev35, Champagne; Sanrui, Algerie, Jeanne

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LETS FUCKING GO

ionic magnet Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 AM

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champ looks bad but her skills are good

ripe latch Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 AM

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no heal AkagiLUL

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Nah, not gascan

ionic magnet Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 AM

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BuckySmug

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Ok true

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 AM

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And how tf one used Gasco

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Take JB or Musecan

granite flame Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 AM

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why Gas over JB

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 AM

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richy champ ws seems viable

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Keks

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 AM

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WatameSmug

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Probably JB

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 AM

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11k HP

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On a BB

proper sorrel Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 AM

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should probably swap algerie with juneau tbh

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Unless for tanking Wakai snipe

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Lel

ripe latch Jul 9, 2020, 3:53 AM

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think wfc vs baguette get 100% winrate AkagiLUL

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:54 AM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ckR5P2aNGM2nD4icExa4HizSNw2cGKIS5FHr6X138kU/htmlview?usp=sharing&pru=AAABc1WtLFY*o_solGvdCtGNrw9JvmgtkQ Just in case u guys didn't know lol

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:54 AM

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Depends whether Riche got barrage

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:54 AM

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i dont think champagne has much use for pvp though, besides having rush shot

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rich has the advantage of being synced to formidable

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:54 AM

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Barrage is even enhanced with Dev 35 too

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Gascogne > JB for PvP French fleets

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:54 AM

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if the barrages are good why not (about champagne)

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:54 AM

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For PvP, probably

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Still will be shit

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:55 AM

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I meant

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Just take Amagi or something

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Odin is like negative gaming

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Whether Riche got her barrage hit WFC

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:55 AM

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FdG for sure is straight up better

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 3:55 AM

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You might as well just throw away that slot

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Gascogne gets buffed by Richy tho

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:55 AM

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i mean if the barrage is good i guess i could do rich/champ/formidable

velvet oracle Jul 9, 2020, 3:55 AM

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gg

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Did I stutter

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:55 AM

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15 Luck, 11k HP, enhanced Barrage (Extra AA is w/e)

ebon schooner Jul 9, 2020, 3:55 AM

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odin is dogshit

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what were devs thinking

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peepoweirdthink

velvet oracle Jul 9, 2020, 3:56 AM

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no guaranteed secondaries lmao

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Wait, she can heal TWICE per battle?

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Wait for the gun

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Wait for eq I'd say

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:56 AM

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she could always heal 2 times

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:56 AM

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64%????

velvet oracle Jul 9, 2020, 3:56 AM

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if that mgm+2 doesn't come Im losing it lol

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Her heal isn't that strong lol

granite flame Jul 9, 2020, 3:57 AM

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@ebon schooner pvp doesnt exist to devs thats what they were thinking

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AkagiLUL

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:57 AM

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13,669 HP on Gascogne. Bruuuuh

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Yeah, no MGM+1 listed on odin is wtf

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:57 AM

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She's waaay tankeir than FDG now lmao

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Her heal is nowhere near that good lmoa

ebon schooner Jul 9, 2020, 3:57 AM

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@granite flame not even that, she just looks like shit in general lol

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:57 AM

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I think you misread lol

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:57 AM

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U sure? It can trigger twice per battle tho

ebon schooner Jul 9, 2020, 3:58 AM

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not my problem, kms can still enjoy being the shitters of al

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LULShuffle

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:58 AM

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she can heal up to 16% hp with both heals

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:58 AM

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🤔

📎 111.JPG

granite flame Jul 9, 2020, 3:58 AM

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Time to convert to france AkagiYes

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:58 AM

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8% heal total per proc

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:58 AM

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The heal went up from 2% per tick to 8% tho

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 3:58 AM

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it's 8% heal OVER 8s. so 8% total

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 3:58 AM

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xD

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 3:59 AM

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And literally unchanged lol

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That's how she is right now lol

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 3:59 AM

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Alright, then I might've read it wrong then PortDoll

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:00 AM

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If over 50

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 4:00 AM

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So Richelieu, Champagne and Amagi/WK/FDG it is then PoWangry

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:00 AM

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ok read the sign wrong

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:00 AM

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Champagne needs a really good barrage to be PvP viable

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All she brings is damage

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 4:01 AM

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like a REALLY good one

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Main gun shelling in PvP as well all know is PortDoll

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:01 AM

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now i feel like shit for not rolling richy but getting 3 jeanne d'arc

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:01 AM

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I doubt her barrage will be that good

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Unless the Barrage becomes stronger to make her PvP viable, then Gascogne is not meant for serious PvP 🤔

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Her guns are too good for that

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 4:01 AM

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i suppose if she can get her gun CD to 10 or so

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:01 AM

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i have doubts champagne barrages will be good consider her already broken 40% cdr

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Unless she's secret DR ofc

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 4:01 AM

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you can sync 2nd shot

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to formi

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:01 AM

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wait no it wasn't 3, i got 4 from the pool

ebon schooner Jul 9, 2020, 4:02 AM

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not getting richie

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:02 AM

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fml

ebon schooner Jul 9, 2020, 4:02 AM

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alicedisgust

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 4:02 AM

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cause i sync rich with triple 381 to formi

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:02 AM

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gonna still try to run amawaryuu ig

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:02 AM

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I mean, ignoring the timings, if barrage is decent, then she's OP cause the CDR
Unless her gun proc barrage is the weak one

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 4:02 AM

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Consensus seems to be that Champagne is the best of the PR3 bunch. Well, early consensus anyway

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:02 AM

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Which might be the case

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:03 AM

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any of the new prs set up to be good for pvp?

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:03 AM

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Nope

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:03 AM

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good

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 4:03 AM

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I was gonna aim for Champagne first either way

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:03 AM

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Champagne maaaaaaybe, long stretch

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 4:03 AM

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Glad she's turning out to be actually good lol

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:03 AM

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neither of the hms ships are great for pvp?

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:03 AM

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Rest are all PvE thingys

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One is a premium minnie, drake

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One is a even more AA minmaxed Brem, Cheshire

ebon schooner Jul 9, 2020, 4:04 AM

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and then theres odin who is why devs Lmak

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:04 AM

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chesire looks like a great w13 boss tank imo

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:04 AM

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Yeah, all PvE thingy minus Odin which is looking very trash

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:04 AM

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damn, could have easily gotten an hms fleet up and running fi the new prs were good

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:04 AM

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Erm

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DR Drake lol

light crystal Jul 9, 2020, 4:04 AM

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Too early to tell for sure imo

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Dont even know how the barrages are and stuff

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:05 AM

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DR drake tbh miiiight have a chance

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Her barrage would have to be reaaaal good

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:05 AM

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prob off of pure stats alone then

ebon schooner Jul 9, 2020, 4:05 AM

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peepoweirdthink

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:06 AM

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Nah, Drake stats+setup don't cut it for sure

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:06 AM

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the 2nd on drake is ghost one right?

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:06 AM

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damn

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:06 AM

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feelsgreatman

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:06 AM

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Either her ammo switch needs to be broken af
Or barrage
Or some combination

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:06 AM

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dammit al subreddit, just give me the stats n shit on the new ships

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:06 AM

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Yeah, ghost aux buff lmoa

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:06 AM

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ppl judged pr2 by skills which proved wrong

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:06 AM

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At least that's only a small part of skill

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:06 AM

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stop posting lewd fanart of the same 7 chars

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:06 AM

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need to see in action

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when ppl though georgia was good

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feelsbanman

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:07 AM

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at least one of the decisives will prob be good

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Her stats are straight comparable to current stuff, and not that great

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Georgia is good though lol

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:07 AM

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comparable to what though

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:07 AM

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USN CA basically

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Or sanrui, mogami
She's that kind of base ship

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:08 AM

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nothing about drake seems dr tbh. the only thing is life steal

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:08 AM

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Like, her stats are a bit better?

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:09 AM

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drake what

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boost on ship kills

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:09 AM

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But not on Azuma level?
Maybe she'll have special gun??? Idk

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:09 AM

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feelsgreatman

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:09 AM

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ok so what are drake's abilities

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:09 AM

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Seems like the 234 would be normal CA gun though

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:09 AM

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its in the excel above

ebon schooner Jul 9, 2020, 4:09 AM

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peepoweirdthink

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:09 AM

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scroll up

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:09 AM

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rainbow he ca gun?

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:09 AM

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tyty

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:10 AM

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Well, given sanrui gun was powercrept by algerie gun, seems reasonable

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Can't have best PR option worse than nonPR

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BuckyPride

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:10 AM

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kms anti submarine memery

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feelsgreatman

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:11 AM

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oof that hp aint great

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Anyways compare Azuma to Drake, and it's, erm

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:11 AM

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yeah

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my azuma is already only 1k hp behind

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Like the earth and heaven

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:11 AM

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and it's not dev 15 and level 76

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:11 AM

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when kms had the best sub group in the game and irl and u give them anti sub bc

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Just do Azuma ffs

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:11 AM

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BuckyPride

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Already D28, otw D29

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:12 AM

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~~w14 asw hell~~

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:12 AM

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So yeah, skill 1 mods better be OP af, and/or barrage be nutty

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:12 AM

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Unless Drake lifesteal being useful

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Wait

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Or her barrage whatsoever

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:12 AM

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Stop this 🅱️ arrage talk

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:12 AM

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15% lifesteal is no joke for PvE if barrage is decent

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No u

ebon schooner Jul 9, 2020, 4:12 AM

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enjoy your ban

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:12 AM

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if drake is like ykkz but with lifesteal

ebon schooner Jul 9, 2020, 4:12 AM

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nice knowing you

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:12 AM

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thats real

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feelsgreatman

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:13 AM

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????)

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:13 AM

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personally, im waitign for mroe large cruisers (the alaska class) to come out

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:13 AM

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How tf did you reach that comparison lol

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:13 AM

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Inb4 alaska class being odin lookalike

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DunktsukiStare

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In terms of gimmicks

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:13 AM

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alaska class has 3 real ships and 3 potential prs

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:14 AM

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Anyways
Any news on odin secondaries or MGM+1 stuff?

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Well, fantasy ships are being added in as normal ships nowadays

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:14 AM

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alaska guam and hawaii are real, philippines, puerto rico, and samoa are not

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:14 AM

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PR is reserved for WoWS only

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:14 AM

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ah

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:14 AM

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I doubt WoWS will release unbuilt Alaskas

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Seems pointless

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:14 AM

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fair

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still wanna see the alaskas come to al though

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:15 AM

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试作型三联装305mmSKC39主炮T0
this should be odin gun

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:15 AM

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if they're good it'd be good for us

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:15 AM

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hms dr BuckyPride

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:15 AM

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Tilmans probably in next PR though

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Look forwards to that, maybe?

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:15 AM

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so is there new rainbow gear

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:15 AM

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Hmm, odin getting a special gun?

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:15 AM

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hope so tbh

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:16 AM

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Maybe that explains the lack of MGM+1 s

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Still.....

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:16 AM

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if it's close to azuma gun it's gonna be like a 7-9s cd?

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 4:16 AM

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i mean, if it's that fast

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couldnt we slap it on champagne for like the ultimate barrage spam?

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it's a real BB gun

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:17 AM

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BuckyPride

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 4:17 AM

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like the 283

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right?

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:17 AM

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well that kinda sticks, was hoping for something pretty good

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:17 AM

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will we have french meta soon

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feelsgreatman

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:17 AM

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maybe cb gun that odin can use?

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:17 AM

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and i don't even have richy, yay :/

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:17 AM

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good for you

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Oh hey, dev35 kita is quite a nice PvE buff

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:17 AM

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pepemmm

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:18 AM

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no nagato and now no richy

silent ocean Jul 9, 2020, 4:18 AM

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ga and gas as well

ebon schooner Jul 9, 2020, 4:18 AM

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peepoweirdthink

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:18 AM

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french won't change meta even if champagne is good. it will be more viable comps

ebon schooner Jul 9, 2020, 4:18 AM

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isss gonna get a rerun pretty soon

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or it should

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:18 AM

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cool, i'll be able to change to namawarkai

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:19 AM

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2 mommy 1 lolibaba still rules

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Thx very much

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:19 AM

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Champagne defense = Warkai exploding her, if she's even good enough to run

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Who even runs Nagato on offense anymore lmoa

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:19 AM

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yeah caus eyou ahev to run her on a side

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:19 AM

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Why suffer that RNG BuckyPride

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:19 AM

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true

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:19 AM

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Yeah

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Pretty much she's just sitting pretty

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After D30ed my FDG

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:20 AM

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On that note, I've noticed Warkai Amagi Hiryuu is actually entering the meta

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:20 AM

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btw is tehre anythign better than amagi/warkai/hiryuu that i can run rn

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:20 AM

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UniFlex

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:20 AM

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BuckyPride

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:20 AM

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is monarch better over one of them?

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:20 AM

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Nope

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:20 AM

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u could run namagi fdg or amagi ws fdg over that tbh

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:20 AM

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Warkai Amagi Hiryuu the best offense nonFdG comp
Idk about compared to FdG dev30

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:20 AM

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fdg is a logn ways away for me

silent ocean Jul 9, 2020, 4:20 AM

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will that damage boost for Georgia make her relavent in pvp or na?

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:21 AM

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only have graf as a backline

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:21 AM

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Nope

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Georgia issues are targeting

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:21 AM

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Georgie thang has always been PVE thang

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:21 AM

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A bit more damage won't help

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:21 AM

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Wakai has issues on PVE

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:21 AM

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all she got is 10% dmg vs cv and cvl

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irrelevant for pvp tbh

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:21 AM

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But PVP she's nice

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Koz backline threat

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:22 AM

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Fundamentally her issue with PvP is targeting

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:22 AM

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warkai just goes, see this backline unit, they're dead

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:22 AM

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If that isn't fixed or she doesn't get something else broken, she won't be viable

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:22 AM

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~~uss ws~~

silent ocean Jul 9, 2020, 4:22 AM

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guess 20% wasnt enough

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:23 AM

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she didn't get 20%. she only got 10% vs cvl and cv

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:23 AM

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She already has dmg boost vs BB/BC/CA/etc.

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:23 AM

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20% was og skill

silent ocean Jul 9, 2020, 4:23 AM

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ah

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:23 AM

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Anwyays, she was already amazing for PvE

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So makes sense

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Basically kinda like monarch dev35, or Sanrui

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Or Ibuki

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 4:24 AM

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No 457 tho

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WatameSmug

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From what I see anyway

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:24 AM

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most ppl will still go back to PR 2 for fdg + azuma anyway

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:24 AM

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how is monarch in pve btw?

ebon schooner Jul 9, 2020, 4:24 AM

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peepoweirdthink

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:24 AM

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doubt 99% of the population got both dev 30

ebon schooner Jul 9, 2020, 4:24 AM

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she is good

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:24 AM

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not to mention they need to fate 5 them

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lol

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:25 AM

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Anyways, Warkai Amagi Hiryuu offense I take over Namagi Warkai, with 457 even

ebon schooner Jul 9, 2020, 4:25 AM

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most people use monarch for w13

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:25 AM

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Well, with 457 *especially

velvet oracle Jul 9, 2020, 4:25 AM

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datamine has been updated with the barrage pellets

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drake seems to have 3 pellets?

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:25 AM

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dr has no fate at least

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feelsgreatman

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:25 AM

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and hten my frontline rn is juneau, nanoda, and nosh

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with an azuma im slowly workign on

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:25 AM

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@shy hazel key word being "not yet"

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Oh wait erf

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Wtf

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Pr dd gun being added

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Rn one

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:26 AM

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I can probably count the number of people with two dev30s on one hand

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Is it the normal ammo one

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/712568311140974664/730637100558581831/unknown.png

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:26 AM

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99% of the population will still focus PR 2 one way or the other

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Seems like its normal

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:27 AM

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just ahs prob the two best ships in the game rn

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:27 AM

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what does PR 3 got over PR 2 aside from dev bp anyway?

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Hmm, drake barrage dmg seems good I think

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:27 AM

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new gun and HQFCR?

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:27 AM

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A pretty good AA gun

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Much stronger than the roomba

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Yeah the AA gun looked solid

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Less range though

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Upgraded pompom?

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:27 AM

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irrelevant for pvp tho?

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:28 AM

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And you only need to farm one of the rainbow gun this time

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:28 AM

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does it got +10 acc?

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Triple 381 was 2nd best option for FDG outside of 457 right?

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Because its fires normal ammo and will only be used on drake (or roon I guess)

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Eyyy I fucking called it

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:28 AM

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hey if the stat is good i don't see why not

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Champagne on fire barrage is trash

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 4:28 AM

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PtiloThonk

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:28 AM

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No 457, no staag, seems about right

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Her timed barrage is not nothing I suppose

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:29 AM

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stagg still remain best AA for pvp stuff

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 4:29 AM

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On fire being shit removes her from CM tho

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Aren't they the same barrage?

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:29 AM

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more so in this BB focus meta

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Bruh is 381 2nd best option tho

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An actual PVP question you know

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akagiLUL

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Odin barrage, hmmm

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:30 AM

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Its good but lets stop talking about odin in the context of PvP

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:30 AM

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Let's see pattern, dmg is good, but I suspect it's big 7 pattern

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:30 AM

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Theres nothing worth discussing there

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 4:30 AM

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Nah

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She enables me to drop radar on frontline

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WatameSmug

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:31 AM

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let be real here are any PR 3 ships going to be viable in pvp anyway?

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:31 AM

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If drake pattern is good, her barrage is pretty good, not amazing though

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None

dull ledge Jul 9, 2020, 4:31 AM

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opinions on riche gasco champagne?

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Probably not

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:31 AM

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at most i see niche usage

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they all pve ship

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Champagne barrage isn't good enough for PvP viability

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Champange had a chance but apparently her barrage is weak

dull ledge Jul 9, 2020, 4:31 AM

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ah.. rip then

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:31 AM

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All she brings is a lot of gun dmg on a squish plat, no relevant support skills

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Gun dmg isn't reliable enough

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:32 AM

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is odin a BC or CA / CB?

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 4:32 AM

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BC

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:32 AM

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And it's not super ridiculous

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:32 AM

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LaffeyDrink

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useless piece of shit then

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still going to build first tho

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:32 AM

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What are the numbers on her on fire barrage?

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:32 AM

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is that barrage not worth at all as a vg clearer?

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Zack

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381 is FDG's non 457 option right

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Just the bottom one right?

📎 Screen_Shot_2020-07-09_at_12.32.42_AM.png

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Wait for barrage

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Odin is the only one up in the air really, if she's even good in PvE
Others are all amazing PvE only ships

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:33 AM

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On pattern

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:33 AM

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yes 381 or mk6

empty grove Jul 9, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Ok ty

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Up in the air on being good in PvE right?

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 4:33 AM

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oh wait is champagne only 1 mgm?

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xD

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Ye

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:33 AM

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not like we got shit ton of amazing pve ships on the shelf already

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at this point i just want them to release amazing pvp ship

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:33 AM

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At least they made most of the PR3 ships interesting

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:33 AM

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is all pve power creep

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Well, tbf, I think they powercreep PvE

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Yeah

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 4:34 AM

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i guess it would be fun to steal odin's gun for her

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:34 AM

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ofc they are power creeping pve

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Personally I'm more interested to HMS CA anyway for PVE

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FINALLY

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SOME REAL GUD MEDIUM TANKER

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For HMS CA

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Anyways, Champagne is large powercreep, rest, hmm, I'll need to run some comparisons

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:34 AM

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i am more interested in the guild battle tbh

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:34 AM

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wasn't og tl mgm +1 for champagne?

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Both of the HMS CAs are good, but not in PvP

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:34 AM

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shit, i need a guild

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Ehh

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 4:34 AM

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i see preload only

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atm

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i refreshed

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:35 AM

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So hv 2 MGM

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 4:35 AM

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no mgm boost

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Yeah, odin is up in air on if she's PvE viable or another Izumo

frail orbit Jul 9, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Or not?

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:35 AM

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i know but didn't it say mgm before?

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 4:35 AM

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WarShrug

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:35 AM

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at least odin is cute enough for me\

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Oh wait what

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:35 AM

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that's enough already

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:35 AM

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doesn't matter anyway. without a 2nd mgm she isn't that broken

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Champagne no MGM+1?

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Oof

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 4:35 AM

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based on refresh

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preload

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:36 AM

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yep tl changed

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 4:36 AM

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so just toss odin gun on her for barrage spam

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Is she even viable in PvE then

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 4:36 AM

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shoot every 8 seconds or w/e it is

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xD

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or less

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40% cdr

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:36 AM

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GWcmeisterPeepoShrug

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Preload doesn't mean much if only on one fast firing MG

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:36 AM

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mob clearing yes

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 4:36 AM

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barrage every 6

red crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:36 AM

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40% cdr? what si this, league?

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:36 AM

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On fire barrage is trash though

vague token Jul 9, 2020, 4:36 AM

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is it basically a CA gun barrage

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or CA class barrage

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xD

finite valve Jul 9, 2020, 4:36 AM

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is there a compilation of gear we getting for PR 3?
1 with picture?

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Wait, wait
I have serious concerns about PvE viability then

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:36 AM

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I guess they didn't want to make it that strong since with a 381 she can fire pretty quickly

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Don't worry about PvE, she should be fine

zenith tundra Jul 9, 2020, 4:37 AM

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~~just use jb gun~~

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:37 AM

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I don't think so actually

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:37 AM

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feelsgreatman

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:37 AM

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You're forgetting that she has pretty good fp and efficiencies

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And she fires really often

elder crane Jul 9, 2020, 4:37 AM

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It's not that often

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:37 AM

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idc about pve anyways just build em for collection

karmic forum Jul 9, 2020, 4:38 AM

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And she has a 20s barrage that seems fairly good

shy hazel Jul 9, 2020, 4:38 AM

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pepeyeay