pvp

[vague token]

i thought you havent been xD

[shy hazel]

i mean ye i dont

its a waste of no one plays it tho

only missed one ship cos zack didnt buy from shop

[zenith tundra]

and the ones u didn't farm in w13

[shy hazel]

can farm that anytime anyways

but lazy asf

nothing to grind cept w13

and pr3

which dont exist yet

[vague token]

soon (tm)

[shy hazel]

phx play it

try avrora

[hot creek]

wheeel ok. I don't feel like digging up formulas and fine tuning numbers to that point. But I still stand by my point, FDG still marginally tankier but its not enough to warrant losing out on what WS does. It's like why use Prinz when you can just kill the enemy.

[vague token]

i mean the power of fdg is anti rng anyways xD

no need for dice rolls when you have a billlion hp and dr

or just use both

[whole terrace]

only missed one ship cos zack didnt buy from shop
fs zack

[hot creek]

FDG is certainly not anti RNG lol. that was my whole argument

its the opposite

[zenith tundra]

my point would be that it takes a lot to kill stuff when 1/4-1/5 of ur dmg is 2 bursts at 10s and if u miss them the dps is effectively lower

[vague token]

i mean, the worse luck you have the more useful having higher base hp and dr is

[zenith tundra]

idk it goes from 7.9% difference vs 6% difference in ehp with amagi buff

[hot creek]

yeah but WS is still more consistent on damage. I don't get it. Like you're complaining about WS missing her shots but does FDG really do better than her?

[zenith tundra]

what i'm saying is that in long fights and especially main vs main fdg will outdps ws

but yeah she is more rng before that

[whole terrace]

I felt convinced enough that this namagi fdg was the strongest comp I had come up against. But of course I understand if others don’t feel like my tests are enough to ‘prove’ it.

It could be worth setting namaryuu or namaspite again on defense and getting your guild mates to test against that
then see if that does better than namagi fdg @hot creek

I can't really make much sense out of the numbers well so i can’t comment on those

[shy hazel]

what is this fight even on

namagi vs fdg amagi?

[zenith tundra]

what i can say is that u shouldn't reset with namagi fdg unless really bad rng. namagi ws would indeed work better but some comps that focus dmg on 1 can pretty much end up giving as much problems as namagi fdg has with bad rng. the main difference is that namagi fdg is good against everyone while namagi ws can suffer in certain matchup

[shy hazel]

k ill login this dumb game zack

ty for playing this dumb game

[whole terrace]

Phoenix has reason to believe that a) fdg may be overrated and b) Namaspite may be more consistent than namagi fdg, though zack disagrees @shy hazel

[shy hazel]

i dont have d30 fdg and i havent played for half a year anyways

so wtv for me

[hot creek]

Maybe if I use Stella account, my EX rank luck can get him some 457 prints and speed up DR development

but yes, I think FDG has too many issues to be even cosidered a sidegrade to WS atm.

[zenith tundra]

i got 3-4 457 bps in 1 week after spamming cubes to finish getting 250 dr bps

i think once ws 457 becomes more frequent in sandy u'll see the difference of having a good tank vs more dmg

[shy hazel]

so zack what should i do now

dunno which ship is good or what

[zenith tundra]

just use whatever

does it matter?

[shy hazel]

dunno thats the thing

maybe still got some missed ship from event

[zenith tundra]

let's dm if u want... don't want more

[shy hazel]

[ebon schooner]

thank you for your stay

and enjoy your ban now

[crude mortar]

is this eatable

HOW BEHIND AM I?

[next olive]

would jean bart and warspite retro in pvp be cool

[hot creek]

JB's gimmick doesn't translate well into pvp

[jovial sedge]

Eh from the period half year ago when I last time took pvp seriously ... the thing thsy changed is that Zoo only got bigger in vanguard... These shitty biggoted devs

[jovial sedge]

At least taihoe bikiny skin

But no l2d rip

[next olive]

does amagi's debuff work with chapayev's debuff?

[mint hornet]

It should since the skills have different names

[crude mortar]

they shold update ai system that all ship should stop attempting to attack hiryu final counter

[frail orbit]

[upper sparrow]

Pvp manual mode

We should at least can do aiming BB shot manually

[coral wren]

[coarse hearth]

How to know who get debuff?, notice doesnt show it

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

Petition to unerf Essex pls, too easy

I can fairly easily auto-kill Essex EX

[next olive]

what percent we at for the event?

[crude mortar]

is this nerf version?

WAIT

DONT

DO IT

LETS GO TALK ABOUT THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

[alpine summit]

reading this log here

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/516951413411020819/699431632364372088/unknown.png?width=400&height=204

were we supposed to be at 847 or 911

wasnt sure if this chart took you to 0 or 5 or 10

[polar wren]

ah yes, very size, much visible

[coral wren]

the chart indicates 0 btw

u wanna like use math

to find out

[alpine summit]

its in the pins if nothing else

or open original

[shell heron]

That be my chart, if you read up to the current reset

then it takes you down to 0/10

if sandbagging. please refer to one reset before

[alpine summit]

sounds good then, was what i figured

[true vale]

Uh, dumb question but is there a specific secondary aux gear for juneau?

[elder crane]

you just run whatever you need to on her

bulge for anti-torps, toolkit if you really need a bit more HP, and engine usually otherwise

[true vale]

Not sure what I would need in general, I'm only leveling her up just now, just like the other core ships for my pvp fleet.

Going to be using her with Noshiro and YKK

[elder crane]

probably pearl and engine then, or double engine
drop an engine for torpbulge at lower levels, probably

[true vale]

I feel like there's an argument to give her something that gives her better damage to make the others survive past her, but I suppose she's the least tanky of the 3 anyways, so she'd always die first.

[elder crane]

yep

Noshiro and ykkz are both tanky enough that running pearl on them is suspect

[true vale]

Yeah, I feel like running pearl might be a bit overkill, but I suppose I'll try pearl and toolbox for now, since that's what I have upgraded.

[elder crane]

both will often outsurvive one main fleet member vs many teams, and occasionally will out-survive all main fleet ships

well, pearl on jun usually just means nobody else can use it effectively at all

[true vale]

The other two are currently using Double Toolboxes, cause I never really got super far into pvp, hence I have no engines upgraded

I run beaver on Warspite, so I'm not entirely sure if I need to run more speed tbh?

[elder crane]

usual "standard" of the speed you want to reach is equivalent to 2 engine and beaver badge for a 2 CL/1 DD vanguard
ofc sometimes it's too painful to reach that, so you just do the best you can
Jun/Noshiro/Ykkz has no issues though, pretty sure you can stuff in a third engine, lol

doesn't really give too much benefit at that point, but not like there's much better to put in

anyways, if you reach that speed, vanguard will fairly often completely dodge airstrike bombs

[true vale]

Oh neat.

Time to upgrade engines then.

Uh, for backline, I almost feel stupid for asking, but Amagi / Warkai / Hiryuukai is fair game, yeah?

[elder crane]

Eyyy joooooin me

You'll probably have trouble w that team vs top teams before you near-max them

[true vale]

Since I don't have Nagato, what's some other options?

[elder crane]

it's a very consistent team, which is bad when your team is weaker

overall average power level is below the "best" imo, but offense advantage means that when maxed, it has amazingly high winrate due to being fairly consistent

[true vale]

I have Kaga BB, Foxes, uh.. Warkai, Monarch on High dev, Formi, Centi

I think that's probably the best candidates to replace something with

[elder crane]

Could try Warkai FC, but I think that has same issues

[true vale]

Fair

[elder crane]

rest is just worse

[true vale]

Oh well, I'll be honest, I'd rather not run USS casino anymore. That's what I've been running so far.

[elder crane]

FC advantage is that you don't have a poor ship for PvE to level

(Hiryuu)

Warkai, Formi, Cent are all amazing PvE ships

[true vale]

Yeah I'd assume so, I've been using Warkai and Centi a lot.

Formi not so much, she's rotting at max lb around 80-ish.

Jiggling her excess armor plating at me whenever I scroll past her.

Guess I'll just stay with the consistency of what I have.

[elder crane]

Yeah, until you have ships lv 110+, team comp isn't as important as many more levels

[true vale]

Yeah that's gonna take a while. 115+ is what I have on my PVE stuff, but my PVP fleet is far, far from it.

Welp, thanks for all the info, just wanted to make sure I'm not wasting my efforts on something I'm doing the entirely wrong way when I'm doing this.

[vague token]

still need to level kizuna for stat reduction memes

i would consider lena but 60% chance

instead of 88

[true vale]

Helena sadly has pretty much the worst timing issues, even with the SG

Even though I still want to see Shangi/Essex/Enty crashing into a backline with SG+ active.

[vague token]

sg is for guns

otherwise normal 20s is fine for cv

[true vale]

Didn't work on foxes for me. Which is what I kinda wanted to try initially

[vague token]

foxes arent normal xD

[true vale]

But I guess with F6Fs on Essex Class 20s could work.

[midnight crest]

wait

[light crystal]

Healer girl refusing to heal

[midnight crest]

can u put pearl tear on hiryuu

but she will activate pearl tear without dying.

and without proc final counter

[sour oasis]

No. Pearl activates at hp=0, Final Counter proxies at HP=0 (and Hiryu gets +1 HP)

[frail orbit]

If anything

Aint the point of Hiryuu is just to tank tho?

Last kansen alive

[ripe latch]

why put hiryuu if lucky e better

[sour oasis]

[empty grove]

[midnight crest]

@sour oasis i tested it pearl tear do activate when hiryuu still alive and she also proc final counter

but doesn't mean it's good, the pearl tear usually heal her self because if your fleet placement is smart she will be the last surviver

and pearl tear mostly useless if you already proc final counter

the most shit rng is when enemy hiryuu proc final counter before you, but both plane wave came out at the same time when both hiryuu final counter wear out

and you die first because of rng

i get this twice in today pvp

[upper sparrow]

Usually u use hiryuu to tank warkai, so if u put pearl on her the pearl skill is proc too early and make it useless

[ripe latch]

pearl on hiryuu

[elder crane]

That's why you tech faster launch on Hiryuu

beacon and APCuda

[wintry wind]

How good is Essex in PvP?

[crude mortar]

shes bad

because she had 🅱️ arrage airstrike

mean shes illegal

[ripe latch]

meme cv on pvp

[coral wren]

🅱️

[empty grove]

You guys are skirting the line

[sterile bluff]

i don't think essex is that bad

she's just afraid of senpai

[balmy furnace]

[sour oasis]

@midnight crest Pearl activates at HP=0. Final Counter activates at HP=0. You can't activate them separately if you give Pearl to Hiryu.

[midnight crest]

true

big sad

[crude mortar]

why perl hiryuu anyway

[crude mortar]

is this eatable?

seems raw af to me

[shell heron]

Are you at +10 base already. Looks like a no bonus to me

[crude mortar]

[proper sorrel]

at most you can probably get a +1

[crude mortar]

its +0

nvm fuck it ima just x5 and go to sleep next 30min

[sour oasis]

I was +49. Now I'm -1. Why didn't I just rush the rest of this season...

[magic storm]

Is there a reset of opponents at 3am ? Can't beat the 4 I have available right now and I have no refresh 😦

[shell heron]

Depending on your current rank. Not even 50% of the way between you and r1 is a +0

[hot creek]

opponent refreshes are replenished at daily reset.

[magic storm]

Alright thanks, it should be ok to wait for tomorrow morning then !

[red crane]

i'm at 1150 rn, too bad i'm still trying to grind my comp up and overall im 50 levels down

1 on juneau
10 on nosh
12 on amagi
13 on hiryuu
14 on yukikaze

[hollow maple]

Richy is taking mvp for me every pvp match , pretty consistent

[vague token]

im running rich/amagi/formi and azuma is taking mvp sometimes cause she can live a long time

[sterile bobcat]

How good exactly is Georgia in pvp?

[midnight heron]

bad barrage

anyway i just tested torpmeme vg cuz azuma finally 120 (thank god) and they dont even do nearly as much dmg as some of the comps i face

a single torp crit on enemy med armour dealt only 3.8k dmg with noshi/jint/ykkz with 1 oxy on each

[ripe latch]

if put on her pearl - not bad and worth

[coral wren]

phoenix do you have 457mm yet ? @hot creek

[shy hazel]

started "playing" again

immediately lost resets

not doing pvp feels too good

[hot creek]

@coral wren ye, had it since last month.

[ripe latch]

need more resets special for pecorine

[sterile bluff]

im only on 29/50

[vapid valve]

Is Warspite still the best battleship for PVP?

[ripe latch]

if u not have fdg30dev - still best

[vapid valve]

Oh

I use Jean Bart

Guess Warspite is better

[ripe latch]

jb

[sterile bluff]

fdg better than ws?

@zenith tundra i need ur guidance

[zenith tundra]

[sterile bluff]

what

[zenith tundra]

idk how to answer that tbh.

[ripe latch]

ehp table on help

sry but img ban on me

[sterile bluff]

why is it hard to answer?

[zenith tundra]

ws is better as a carry. fdg works better when u have a strong comp already

[sterile bluff]

i see

so they good at different things?

like im still having trouble understanding fdg's role. Is she just "tank until enemy vg dies then nuke backline"?

[zenith tundra]

if u want me to say one which is better then would be ws

[crude mortar]

im at 25 now

[sterile bluff]

so what's fdg's role?

[crude mortar]

tank and dmg

[sterile bluff]

can she tank ws?

[ripe latch]

she role - eat barrages

[crude mortar]

and 🅱️ arrage dmg

[zenith tundra]

fdg can both tank and deal dmg. the only thing she doesn't do is buff

[sterile bluff]

i see

imagine if fdg is hms so she targets backline

[crude mortar]

fdg had alot of hp/heavy armor

with passive reduction

[zenith tundra]

ws is easier to get and can carry weaker teams so she is overall better. fdg is a long investment that will work in any good comp

[sterile bluff]

can ws work in any good comp?

[zenith tundra]

ws works anywhere

if u want namagi ws vs namagi fdg opinion it's that ws version is strong but lacks a tanks while fdg version is a bit more rng but doesn't struggle against anyone. fdg is harder to use with weaker teams tho while ws can carry a decent team by herself

[crude mortar]

shouldn't was better with rainbow?

*ws

[zenith tundra]

ws is better with 457 because her aim skill. overall dmg fdg can nuke stuff easily but she isn't consistent before opponent vg dies

[crude mortar]

if nagato proc their vg kaput anyway isn't it

pro 🅱️ arrage

*proc

[sterile bluff]

what if they have 🇸 hields?

[zenith tundra]

not really but it helps quite a bit

[sterile bluff]

ok umm... how big of a boost does ws get after modernization? Have her at halfkai already

cuz this seems kinda...

[crude mortar]

ws kai is 4-5 times better than ws

[sterile bluff]

i wonder how much more dmg does she do in pvp and pv🇪

cuz rn she is pretty

bruh i didn't say the B word why u nimiing me

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

og ws was really mediocre even in hms teams. she kind of worked because barrage hit backlines but not good enough to be better then monarch or even doy tbh

[sterile bluff]

i have her at halfkai already tho

she's still not doing much

does her retro rly boost her by that much?

[crude mortar]

do you know what this mena?

[ripe latch]

why u post screen and edit first msg?

[zenith tundra]

all her boosts for pvp are aim skill and 130% boost to 1st barrage and u don't have those

[vapid valve]

@crude mortar What was that?

[crude mortar]

15% FP

and main gun spread by 5

it mean every shot gonna hit

insread of randomly go into the sea

*stead

[vapid valve]

The one before that, the nimi one

[zenith tundra]

15% fp is good but without aim she is still inconsistent

[crude mortar]

which

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra does vh gold give enemy hiryuu more tanky or still ihr + beacon better?

[sterile bluff]

i have her at 120 and her barrage is still only doing like 1.5k per shell
like i get it's not upgraded but still wtaf...

and im hitting med

when will we get sword

[hollow maple]

same^

[sterile bluff]

a fellow essex cultist

[hollow maple]

always

[sterile bluff]

im talking about unboosted divine marksman

[crude mortar]

its 🇸 hit

[sterile bluff]

even if u do 130% * 1.5k that's 3.45k only

unboosted upgraded divine marksman hits like 2-3k per shell

like brah

that's double my dmg

[sterile bluff]

yes ik it gets a 130% boost

[ripe latch]

VH+Rudder 67791
VH+AVF 67185

think usless if with 457 enemy ws kai proc u final counter

[crude mortar]

3.45*1.15 cuz 15% extra fp

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu is tankier with armor against nagato, full ap ws, amagi and tosa. everyone else shouldn't be better then ihr. the problem is that 3 of those 4 are very common in pvp while others (especially cv) aren't. so overall ihr should be a better aux but armor works because most common enemies are more affected by it @ripe latch

[crude mortar]

3967.5

[sterile bluff]

15% extra fp isn't a straight 1.15 multiplier

if it's 15% extra dmg it is

i just want sword

sword when

mic sucks i want sword!

[ripe latch]

put fdg with any dev lvl , its small ws kai

[sterile bluff]

i literally only got like 100 fdg prints

[crude mortar]

695% mod vs 784.25% mod

[sterile bluff]

yea

1.1284172661870... multiplier

12.8% extra dmg

not bad but...

[zenith tundra]

fdg mg skill alone is 20% dmg boost and she also has fp scaling and she still isn't better dmg wise then ws because no aim skill

[crude mortar]

just use torp meme

delete their vg

kappa

[zenith tundra]

just putting it into a prospective of why i think 15% fp is not that much compared to aim portion of that skill

[sterile bluff]

i think it's cuz of fdg's non existent luck and hit

also she loses that 20% fp buff as she loses hp

so the main thing she has over ws is the dmg boost skill

but ws has wayy higher hit rate and critrate

so

idk

i don't have either

[elder crane]

Lol did I mess a memo or something?

Apparently we can fight unerfed Essex by tapping "Essex Raid" title 10 times?
or is that a special challenge Essex

[sterile bluff]

it's an easteregg

[elder crane]

anyways, I got rekt lol, can barely do 20 bars of 100, and can barely survive with manual control VH Azuma Helena Jun

[ripe latch]

[sterile bluff]

that's how it's supposed to be

[elder crane]

now that's a proper EX

no subs though, smh

they just need to nerf her HP by like 70%, let you bring subs, and make that the EX version

Yeah, apparently that was the original version lmoa

I can see why people complained

[ripe latch]

|| enjoy your ban ||

[elder crane]

From CN wiki, off google-tl

[zenith tundra]

good idea but could be better if u could fight with subs too to actually test

[elder crane]

I would like an end damage screen to see how far I got
subs, meh, you roughly know how well those do

I think it has the original mods too

Shelling nerfed, Aviation damage boosted

otherwise, I don't see how Formi Ark Cent 2 launches can match Monarch Georgia 457 Warkai 3 volleys

[sterile bluff]

who's the 457 on?

all of them?

[elder crane]

457 on warkai

[sterile bluff]

[elder crane]

DrH on the other two, otherwise I can't get in 3 volleys

[sterile bluff]

im 29/50

dis shit won't drop

only got like 3bps in the past week

[zenith tundra]

ws with triple 410 and hpfcr autoloader can do 3 shelling

[sterile bluff]

autoloader

[elder crane]

that clashes with 457 though I think

so you can't do it

[sterile bluff]

how good is 457 ws?

[elder crane]

noticable improvement but nothing particularly game-changing imo

[zenith tundra]

the difference vs 410 is that u don't shoot every forever and still do same dmg

[elder crane]

Close matches still look like this

[sterile bluff]

what about vs the real EX essex?

how hard does she shit on her

[elder crane]

can barely do 20 bars of 100, and can barely survive with manual control VH Azuma Helena Jun

I think it has the original mods too
Shelling nerfed, Aviation damage boosted
otherwise, I don't see how Formi Ark Cent 2 launches can match Monarch Georgia 457 Warkai 3 volleys

[sterile bluff]

rip

[elder crane]

that's my experience with it basically

[sterile bluff]

how hard does she hit with it?

[zenith tundra]

only ex i played that is actually playable and not a total waste of oil/time

[elder crane]

it's basically a 410 AP but 2 shots instead of 3 and loads a good deal faster

total damage on volley is roughly same

[zenith tundra]

also twin is better for accuracy then triple

[elder crane]

slightly higher for 457 iirc mostly due to extra FP

well, it actually has increased dispersion, iirc slightly more than even triples
but it also has larger splash radius

16 instead of 15
iirc it overall works out to it physically hitting more often on a stationary target

not like warkai cares

-5 dispersion

the splash should theoretically be a bonus vs moving targets, ofc that's not super relevant in PvP

[vague token]

too bad the radar thingy that reduces spread doesnt give good stats

would be fun to meme around with

[zenith tundra]

do u even use triple guns anymore in pvp? assuming u have 2 457 u don't really ever use 1 so whatever

[vague token]

i mean i dont have 457 so xD

[zenith tundra]

8 more bps for my 2nd and it's taking forever
when u want equip research u never get them

[vague token]

lul

[zenith tundra]

i take both pr1 and 2 equip research and at least 2-3 times per day i find myself having to do some coin one instead

[vague token]

ah

[sterile bluff]

i mean what if u use 3 bb lol

then u need 3 457s

also u might want on some ships

[elder crane]

you would only use second 457 with 3 BB lol

[sterile bluff]

or maybe

[elder crane]

otherwise no fires

[sterile bluff]

ok so

total dps wise

against med armor, who wins, or if we count stuff like fires and armor break?

[elder crane]

457

[sterile bluff]

so no point for fires then

[elder crane]

unless very low hitrate

[sterile bluff]

what about heavy?

[elder crane]

yeah, but you don't always hit med/heavy

same for heavy

[sterile bluff]

damn 457 op

[elder crane]

and in PvP, hitrates are low

[sterile bluff]

pve?

[elder crane]

sooo

idk, haven't seen calcs for PvP situation

just that in PvE, 457 out-dps mk6 on med/heavy even if no one else sets fires unless you have iirc <50% ish hitrates (including both dispersion and evasion check)

[sterile bluff]

does fdg have <50% hitrate against taihou?

[elder crane]

go run the numbers yourself
and no, PvE enemies all have much lower hit/eva/luck

[sterile bluff]

i think it was ~60% last time i calced

[elder crane]

nah, higher than that if you run optimal equips

iirc was ~75% or so? maybe slightly lower

[sterile bluff]

lemme do the calcs

[elder crane]

HPFCR Staag and Type 1

iirc even SG beats out SHS on FdG vs taihou?

[zenith tundra]

on the 3 bb note. i can't think of a 3 bb comp where no one has a gun barrage to use twin 381/406

memes don't count as comps

[open peak]

dork, hyuuga, musecan? doesn't sound so bad

[sterile bluff]

holy shit 58% hitrate against taihou

this is with just white shell

oh shit wait

forgot to add the +10 hit from staag

[zenith tundra]

not running hit aux on fdg and then complaining about her hit rating is dumb

[sterile bluff]

ok 61%, a bit better

i should get on with making this dps calculator

never had enuf time

ok ws is at 78% for comparison

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

FdG with HPFCR/SG+White Shell and Staag is not 90 hit lol

Also oath is another like, +3/4 hit on her

should be fleet tech bonuses too since this is PvE

+13 hit for me, can be higher w a few more of the right 120s

[zenith tundra]

her base hit stat is terrible like 62

69 on max oath

[elder crane]

with all those I listed, that's, what
69+36+15+10+13=142 hit
which on 75 eva 10 luck is, erm

73.5% hitrate

still kinda bad, but not nearly that terrible

[sterile bluff]

i didn't use hpfcr

[zenith tundra]

13 fleet tech? wow

[sterile bluff]

imagine being a boomer

[elder crane]

lv 9 eagle faction

also SG is prolly better than SHS lol

it is for the other PRs, though FdG does have crit mods on her shelling, which might change things

[zenith tundra]

wish could actually see that hit stat would be useful

[sterile bluff]

ok lemme recalc

[elder crane]

oh, right, 2 levels under taihou
so 73.3% with the numbers I have

[zenith tundra]

is there 1 reasonable reason why hit is hidden at all?

[elder crane]

devs hate telling us anything in game

what's one more missing stat when even more basic stuff like equipment damage mods and range are hidden

[sterile bluff]

72% and 87%

fdg and ws with hpfcr

poggies

also taihou has 25 luck not 10

[elder crane]

oh right, she's 25 luck, not 10, derp

yeah

[sterile bluff]

hmm ws's hitrate is lower than I thought

[elder crane]

you should see PvP WS hitrates

[sterile bluff]

fdg went from 61% to 72% like BOI

[elder crane]

vs a BB/C with rudder and under Amagi buff, she barely is over 70% even with SG radar/HPFCR

[sterile bluff]

what about fdg?

[elder crane]

she goes as low as 50/50

aka
nearly 10% for ws snipe to literally do no damage

[sterile bluff]

my war halfkai is hitting like 30% hitrate rn

[elder crane]

That's why WS teams are still quite RNG
Her snipe:
50% of the time does like 40% of the target's HP
40% of the time does ~20%
10% of the time does nothing

and ofc FdG is ultimate coinflipping

coinflip to target main fleet
coinflip to hit

[sterile bluff]

wait 40% hp?

doesn't her snipe do more?

i thought it one hits

[elder crane]

depends on the target

[sterile bluff]

i wanna one hit enty

i hate enty

[zenith tundra]

on fdg account her barrage does hit opponent every 15s and can cause some good dmg with fire

it's not only mg dmg

[elder crane]

You can't 1-shot Enty with WS barrage, sadly

not at lv120

[sterile bluff]

wtf

that's gay

[elder crane]

she does go down by like 80% HP though when both shots land

so anything else hitting her kills her

medium armor CV things

[sterile bluff]

inb4 ws gets another retro and makes her auto one hit any med armor CV, also make barrage boost apply to every barrage

and give her like 200 more fp

yea that should balance things out

[elder crane]

Whatever
run DrH monarch or Amagi or FdG etc and you finish enty off

nbd

[sterile bluff]

i run DrH monarch

i get fucked by enty

[elder crane]

sounds like low-lv/mis-equip problems

you aren't running 2-shell, right?

[sterile bluff]

120

[elder crane]

All the PvP noobs get baited by the 2-shell lmoa

[sterile bluff]

what if it's 2 whites?

[zenith tundra]

2 shells is fine if u like to reset

[sterile bluff]

even 2 whites?

[zenith tundra]

considering that bb bis doesn't use even 1 shell i would say yes

[sterile bluff]

mate not everyone got hpfcr

[zenith tundra]

in a 3 bb party i can only use one anyway

not using ever shells if i cannot use hpfcr

[sterile bluff]

so if u don't use hpfcr what do u use

sg and rudder?

[zenith tundra]

people are free to use whatever they want on their ships

[sterile bluff]

i mean what's BiS

if no hpfcr

[zenith tundra]

there is not 1 bis for bb. it depends on role and ship and none of those u would use are ever shells

[sterile bluff]

i thought sg white is a good combo

[frail orbit]

Keks

If ye using white shell

Rudder for extra survivability

Especially on Wakai

And on Wakai only white shell is kinda nice

[sterile bluff]

i don't have wakai

[frail orbit]

Personally am not using HPFCR on Wakai til I got 457

[sterile bluff]

wait so double white on wakai is good?

[frail orbit]

Rudder timing would hit it

@sterile bluff nope

[sterile bluff]

white rudder?

[frail orbit]

White rudder is nice

[sterile bluff]

ok

[frail orbit]

But only on Wakai

[sterile bluff]

what about fdg? double sg?

[frail orbit]

Personally I ran SG Rudder FDG

Amagi on HPFCR Beaver

Hit stat issue aside
I dont really think FDG main purpose is to snipe all shit on backline

That purpose went to Wakai.

She's there to tank + all coverage threat, but not specialist a la Amagi's vg threat or Wakai backline threat

If I got 457 then I'd transfer HPFCR to Wakai

[upper sparrow]

Btw do double sg better than rudder+white shell/sg on warkai?

[frail orbit]

Since there's no point to accelerate Amagi's barrage w/ HPFCR w/o 4 IJN

Unless I ran Ykkz Noshi Azuma

Btw do double sg better than rudder+white shell/sg on warkai?
Extra hit would always be welcome to non-Wakai user

But personally I prefer more survivability

Less need to actually roll the shit when my backline's kinda busted, less bald too

Especially if someone requested me to do torpmemes, which are kinda risky

[rocky shadow]

Why double shell is not good for pvp?

[frail orbit]

U want survivability

Not extra FIREPOWAAAHHH

[sterile bluff]

if u kill them faster

u survive better

[frail orbit]

Nah

Even w/ 20% dmg redux

Still wont save u

With such big brain argument

[rocky shadow]

Isnt the damage in pvp equal because enemy attack get 20% bonus damage while defense team get 20% dmg reduction

[frail orbit]

Nah

[rocky shadow]

So no bonus to both team

[frail orbit]

See FAQ

That shit about 20% extra dmg

Is bullshit

Look at pinned

Go to the guide

See FAQ section

Even on wiki its already revised

No more 20% extra on attacker being said again

[upper sparrow]

The only bonus damage u can get is if u encountered underlevel fleet

[frail orbit]

If u are still believing such shit
Then yer a big brane

🧠

[rocky shadow]

Ahh ok

So in pvp better using rudder+white?

[frail orbit]

2020 and still believing 20% extra attack attacker, 20% extra dmg reduc def

How big brain that is
20% 20% on 2020

[upper sparrow]

If attacker get 20% extra damage the dream about one-shot 120lv enty should be come true

[frail orbit]

So in pvp better using rudder+white?
@rocky shadow depends

[sterile bluff]

[frail orbit]

Personally

[sterile bluff]

that's my dream!

[frail orbit]

I only use it on Wakai

Koz her job is for backline threat

[upper sparrow]

Im using sg+white shell bcs lacking rudder

[frail orbit]

Rest could use SG + Rudder

[upper sparrow]

Well still doing good job tho

[frail orbit]

Like what

[upper sparrow]

Swapping equipment for pve&pvp is such a pain in the ass

[frail orbit]

VG kill are fast anyway

[rocky shadow]

Not always

[frail orbit]

Well

From my POV that is

At all PVP ships on lv120

[rocky shadow]

Specially if enemy use juneau

[frail orbit]

Lol

Just use ur Juneau

Ffs

To counter enemy Juneau

[rocky shadow]

Im lvling up her now

[upper sparrow]

Well good luck

U should have a good time after have her maxed

[frail orbit]

Imagine 2020 still balding for having no Juneau

[upper sparrow]

Juneau oath skin when

[crude mortar]

[frail orbit]

No need

[upper sparrow]

[frail orbit]

Her true shit is to be bullied

[crude mortar]

[frail orbit]

Eternally

[upper sparrow]

juneau oath skin should wearing oath ring with pearl tear embedded on it

[elder crane]

White shell+ rudder/badge warkai is a bit pepega on hitrate
I prefer the consistency of more hit, but then again, since I'm running 457, I don't mind a bit less damage

[frail orbit]

Yeah

But personally I prefer it more anyway

[ripe latch]

hello there

[elder crane]

I run warkai flag, so it's badge/HPFCR for me right now

[frail orbit]

And am not using badge on Wakai, mind ye

Am using Amagi flag

[rocky shadow]

Seems hpfcr will never added to core shop

[frail orbit]

Anyway yer on 457 already rendar?

[elder crane]

Already been over a week lol

[frail orbit]

FOK

[elder crane]

Wait, it's been like almost three

[frail orbit]

5 REMAINING

[elder crane]

I got mine before french event lol

[frail orbit]

Now pls commit seppuku

Else I'd send a bounty hunter at ur house

[rocky shadow]

How good twin 406mm on bb proc based?

[elder crane]

Meh, dev 26 azuma is the cost

[frail orbit]

Also ur FDG D30 already?

[elder crane]

I've gotten 5 of every gold equip

No lol

Dev 22

[frail orbit]

Am going Famine route tbh

[elder crane]

Wait, dev23 right now

[frail orbit]

Gung ho on coob rese

Thats why keks

[elder crane]

I'm running warkai amagi Hiryuu

[frail orbit]

Yer still on Phoenix route ehh

[vague token]

lul

[elder crane]

Hiryuu still very strong when it matters

[vague token]

nice azuma damage

[elder crane]

15 s of stall and nearly matches 457 warkai in damage when she clinches a match with final counter

Well, if Azuma got high damage, I wouldn't be relying on Hiryuu final counter to win lol

[frail orbit]

[vague token]

kek

now that im double debuff i get azuma mvps sometimes

cause she lives

xD

rich/amagi/formidable

[frail orbit]

How good twin 406mm on bb proc based?
@rocky shadow only on nugget

[vague token]

still trying to decide on the third vg though

[frail orbit]

[elder crane]

Hiryuu looks bad in general, but that's only cause she doesn't proc final counter into something relevant
She pulls through when it matters, as seen above
Anyways, a more typical match

[frail orbit]

rich/amagi/formidable
@vague token keks double debuff meme

I personally would ran Richy on 120 tho
Still lv109 smhw ffs

[elder crane]

Though, after 457, warkai hasn't yet failed to mvp vs anything not completely garbage

[frail orbit]

And would oath her anyway
After all am Cat holic like her

Yeah it's kinda minority in Indo
But it's there

Though, after 457, warkai hasn't yet failed to mvp vs anything not completely garbage
Well, who tf thinks Wakai 457 would fail tho?

Em backline threat stonks

[rocky shadow]

How rld time 457 on wakai?

Triple 410mm need around 20~ second

[frail orbit]

Around 17s

Gotta be on 16s w/ HPFCR, perhaps?

How's yours @elder crane

Thats a bit of guesstimate on my part so

[elder crane]

It's 17ish s, yep

[rocky shadow]

I think everyone have same rld time

[frail orbit]

I meant

[elder crane]

A bit slower than that actually, cause that number is with 2 extra reload from fleet tech

[frail orbit]

On 1st reload HPFCR reduced that shit anyway

[rocky shadow]

But not everyone have hpfcr

[elder crane]

HPFCR takes it to like 15.5, yeah

[upper sparrow]

Wamaryuu comp

How is that fleet peformance compared to namaryuu

[elder crane]

It's on average lower power level than namaryuu or namawarkai, but more consistent, which is good for offense

[frail orbit]

Namaryuu vg threat

But

RNGesus

I ditch Nugget as soon as I got FDG D30 tbh

[rocky shadow]

I think namaryuu focus on defense because hiryu skill

[elder crane]

I swear I hit higher winrates on offesne with it than both namagi comps

[frail orbit]

More consistency

[elder crane]

Also it's more forgiving of placement

[frail orbit]

^

[elder crane]

I always run Warkai Amagi Hiryuu order

[frail orbit]

No need for Nuggt flag

[elder crane]

No need to reposition

Oh, that too

[frail orbit]

Personally I ran Amagi flag koz 2 mommy 1 granny

Iykwim

[elder crane]

Warkai is most important ship, so flagship for safest spot vs all good teams

[frail orbit]

FDG tank enemy Wakai shit
Wakai against enemy Amagi most of the time

[elder crane]

Amagi top to pair focus, and as second safest spot in general

[frail orbit]

Yeah could also use that

For focus

But well

When u have FDG
No need for Amagi focus anyway

[elder crane]

If they run warkai flag/bottom to snipe top, then my warkai snipes their Hiryuu/Amagi anyways
And then Hiryuu procs last for ez win

[frail orbit]

U gotta use Amagi there on 2 mommy 1 granny
Only for that debuff

[rocky shadow]

Yeah i will snipe amagi first then other ship

[frail orbit]

U gotta make her last a long time

[rocky shadow]

Because the debuff thing

[frail orbit]

Hence
Stall shit smhw

[elder crane]

Hiryuu is more important to focus down for offense team
For defense, really doesn't matter who gets focused on offense team as long as you run Amagi defensive aux

[frail orbit]

Besides
Her job is for VG threat anyway if w/ FDG, alongside FDG ofc

Lul

[elder crane]

Which you can afford to do since no nagato and warkai carries damage anyways

[frail orbit]

Smhw we're all describing our own shit ehh

[elder crane]

Tbh idk if I'll switch to FdG at all over Hiryuu

We'll see when it comes to that point muuuuch later

Final counter just autowin for offense if their vanguard is dead and they don't have a final counter ready

[frail orbit]

If anything
I just ran WFC now as a meme thing til I got 457

With Helena

Gotta be useful

Especially since I hv HPFCR

[rocky shadow]

Why fdg damage coinflip?

[frail orbit]

Final counter just autowin for offense if their vanguard is dead and they don't have a final counter ready
A bit too RNGesus but thankfully not really there to bald too much

Why fdg damage coinflip?
Wdym? If u ask FDG being shit at sniping shit, thats bkoz her hit is shit

[vague token]

it's a coin flip because if she aims vanguard her damage is wasted

[rocky shadow]

But her barrage seems deadly to vg

[frail orbit]

Yeah

And VG kill ez anyway

Amagi flag thats why

VG focus
FDG tank, no need to actually on mid

For 2nd sniper tho
FDG is abysmal

U gotta rely more on Wakai for that

And she's already ur resident sniper

[rocky shadow]

I didnt have nagato but when i fight nagato comps her barrage hurt vg a lot

[frail orbit]

Koz HE

[rocky shadow]

Like from full to half

[frail orbit]

Most VGs are like

What

Light armor

And at best medium

Unless Zoomer

But then there's torp threat from torpmemes

U gotta keep it medium on Zoomer or else u gotta get bonked by torpmemes

If everyone ran meta tho
VH would be nice to her

[rocky shadow]

Idk but i think if nagato Rerun exist everyone will be use meta fleet in pvp

[elder crane]

Bonked by torps or by CV

[frail orbit]

Inb4 everyone got FDG D30 b4 Nugget rerun

[elder crane]

Issue isn't ppl not running meta main fleet

Issue is people running nonmeta torp vanguard

[frail orbit]

Thats why I said

[elder crane]

Aka, mostly just not having high devlv Azuma

[frail orbit]

Torpmemes

Meanwhile me still lamenting

AZUMA D30 WHEN

[elder crane]

Yep
She suffers from CV w VH too, but not many run stronger nonmeta CV comps

I meant in response to fox

Nagato rerun, if anything, makes VH azuma more favorable

[frail orbit]

Imagine 2020 and still running Akaga be like

[rocky shadow]

Yeah azuma is very slow so her threat is cv

[frail orbit]

[elder crane]

Since main reason is heavy armor nosells nagato barrage

[frail orbit]

Lol slow

[vague token]

torp memes gets crippled by double debuff

[frail orbit]

1gyro2boiler is a thing

[vague token]

and just putting lights in front of azuma

xD

[frail orbit]

torp memes gets crippled by double debuff

Besides

[vague token]

ibuki needs every point of torp she can get

;)

[rocky shadow]

Well akaga comps still exist

[frail orbit]

Oh well

U ran Formi kek

[elder crane]

Her torp isn't high so she doesn't get hit much w % debuff

[frail orbit]

For exactly that reason

[vague token]

actually i should run noshiro again probably

[frail orbit]

Stopping vgs

Then Riche debuff

[rocky shadow]

But i think formi + centy is better

[frail orbit]

Slowtorpmeme

Its nice too

Have personally seen Hooloo's

[elder crane]

Anyways, 1.3 mod vs med armor, 0.7 mod vs heavy on Nagato barrage
That's why you run VH azuma

[frail orbit]

With Helena Kai

[vague token]

or maybe try ibuki/noshiro

[frail orbit]

Its basically melting ur VGs n backline ASAP

[vague token]

rich/amagi should help keep her alive

[frail orbit]

More on backline

[elder crane]

I still need to find HLV to run some proper testing

[frail orbit]

As he ran barracuda

For crash dmg

[rocky shadow]

Yeah crash damage hurt backline

[frail orbit]

He's there btw

[elder crane]

I did run into him a few times back when, and the team wasn't an issue at all

Wait, he's in top 100 right now?

[frail orbit]

@ionic magnet how's ur WFC Helena Kai w/ 457 HPFCR?

Dunno

Dun even see leaderboard so

[elder crane]

Oh, as in in discord

Thought you meant on LB lol

[frail orbit]

[vague token]

lul

im probably behind, like no bonuses floating around this week

but ill take rich exp

[frail orbit]

Saem

[elder crane]

I missed three a few days ago so kek

[vague token]

1235 7/10 atm

use essex to farm affection for fdg and rich

xD

[frail orbit]

Have married FDG beforehand anyway

[elder crane]

Was too busy with Arknights CC and forgot about PvP lol

[ionic magnet]

im prolly 10 pts behind the regulars

cant focus cos of other games

[vague token]

what are you at

[ionic magnet]

1214 9/10

[frail orbit]

Keks

[vague token]

oh yeah that's close to me

[frail orbit]

Meanwhile me still 1203 9/10

[vague token]

[frail orbit]

Need to focus on Honkai smhw keks

[ionic magnet]

wfc with helena is still solid for the most part

outside of torp memes deleting my VG early

[vague token]

kek

[frail orbit]

Else cant get Amagi as Herrscher there

[vague token]

when i was doing juneau/helena/azuma pre dev 25 it was awkward

but now it's fine for torps

[frail orbit]

Thats surprising tho

[vague token]

i mean bulge helps a lot on juneau

xD

[frail orbit]

Ahhh

But loss in speed, no?

Or u ditched ur pearl?

Or it's on Helena instead?

[vague token]

it's fine, bulge/boiler juneau with pearl/boiler helena is fast enough

[frail orbit]

Keks

[ionic magnet]

yea im using that setup too

[vague token]

azuma has more speed than the usual CAs so it's fine

and dev 25 fixes her hp

so she has way too much

[rocky shadow]

For buff speed isnt beaver tag increase vg speed too?

[frail orbit]

Meanwhile am using Juneau pearl koz Jun Yuki Azuma so

[vague token]

then torp memes were swept by taihou/formidable

[frail orbit]

I meant

I ran FDG Amagi Wakai so

[rocky shadow]

So you don't have to use boiler on vg

[frail orbit]

[vague token]

i use boiler, just a 1 less than usual

[ionic magnet]

So you don't have to use boiler on vg
@rocky shadow you use beaver plus boilers

[frail orbit]

^

[ionic magnet]

speeeed

[frail orbit]

Beaver on backline

Already extra vg mspd

No need to ran it on VG tho

[vague token]

+32 total speed is ideal

im skimping at +24 xD

[frail orbit]

Yeah

[vague token]

but it's fine for me

[frail orbit]

Yer just too slow smhw

Keks

[vague token]

although im swapping to noshiro/azuma so those two are fast compared to their colleagues

[ionic magnet]

solo ykkz with atleast 1 boiler plus beaver is

[vague token]

zoom

[frail orbit]

Am still running Jun Yuki Azuma anyway

So

[vague token]

still need level 10 he skill on rich for full power

[frail orbit]

Jokes on u

I already lv10ed hers

[ionic magnet]

btw do we have leeks on next event

wheres my nagato rerun smh

[frail orbit]

[vague token]

no leeks

[rocky shadow]

Hmm i see, it seems jun and yuki is the core of vg fleet

[ionic magnet]

[rocky shadow]

I check every comps in top 100

Most of them use both

[vague token]

most people wont have proper comp on defense right now

too early

[narrow meadow]

i dropped enough games to decide im done for the season so ive just been experimenting on proper defenses

my god richelieu just humiliates vanguards

[upper sparrow]

@rocky shadow jun+yuki is the basic among the basic in vg pvp comp

[shell heron]

hmmm, I don't know if I'm ahead or behind atm with 1262 10/10

I feel like I should be fine. If I stop getting +1 per reset that is

[vague token]

ahead of me by 7

but it's been pretty dead

[elder crane]

ahead of me by 38

[shell heron]

looks like a 137 start wasn't that bad

[crude mortar]

141start 1245 here

[sour oasis]

154, now 13061266 and 5/10

[blissful oyster]

Hey, I finally found the place, I'm playing for little over one week, which units I should upgrade for pvp? And for what units I should watch out?

[shy hazel]

check the pins

[blissful oyster]

Ah, ofc pins lol, thanks 😄

[coral wren]

when u come back realising u have no ships, heres some mental support :

https://tenor.com/view/kanna-kamui-pat-head-pat-gif-12018819

[blissful oyster]

I have something 😂

Got Juneau yesterday

And have enty, so that's some start

[ripe latch]

mm 64 start

[blissful oyster]

But I'm already ranked, after one week of playing 😂

I think I'll farm hiryuu, already got souryuu, will those 2 be good in pvp?

[ripe latch]

hiryu worth with final counter , souryu usless

[coral wren]

^

tosa?

[ripe latch]

[abstract cypress]

did ppl use vt-8 on pvp?

2 torp early seems weak

[balmy furnace]

because it is

[ripe latch]

trash , barracuda better

[rotund orbit]

Is rich worth using in pvp? When I use her, she doesn’t really do much of anything

[coral wren]

she should be doing something tho, people say shes good

[rotund orbit]

Well I thought her barrage would nuke the vanguard like JB, but most of the time it doesn’t really have an effect

[ebon schooner]

I prefer her personally

[buoyant parrot]

hey is the new Plane any good for PvP and who is recommended to use that plane?

[ripe latch]

trashplane

[coral wren]

🅱️

go back to cuda i think

[coral wren]

is AA important in pvp?

iirc we cant kill planes right

[ripe latch]

planes hp quadrupled , no reasons

[deep glacier]

For centaur (in WFC), 2 reppu for aa bait or 2 pirate squad?

maybe 1 reppu and 1 pirate (?)

[sterile bluff]

imagine having reppus

[stone patio]

is london bad for pvp?

[sterile bluff]

yea

[ripe latch]

For centaur (in WFC), 2 reppu for aa bait or 2 pirate squad?
@deep glacier 2 pirate better for dmg but
@ionic magnet what u using

[blissful oyster]

wth is this??? 😄

Someone leveled purins to 70???

[deep glacier]

Ok, I'll use 2 pirates for the time being

[midnight heron]

bruh theres ppl with 120 oathed

[deep glacier]

I'll return later to see if hooloovoo said something about this topic

Thanks @ripe latch

[ripe latch]

[silent yew]

how to get the highest rank ?
"i know if u beat the one with highest rank u can more points but how do u rank higher amongst the ppl that have same points as u"

[shell heron]

Your rank is based on your total score. Every match has a base points earned plus a bonus depending on your point difference between you and your opponent

[silent yew]

@shell heron yea but there's still sometimes u and some other ppl have same score. but u won't be all together at same rank. how does it work ?

[shell heron]

It is impossible to get admiral of the navy by pure rushing so we only fight those we know give a bonus and stay 5 matches behind

No. If a group of players have the same score then it is by order of who gets it first

[silent yew]

@shell heron that's what i wanted to know.
also i didn't understand it well.. how u know they give u a bonus .?

and stay 5 matches behind ?

[shell heron]

This is a perfect example. I got the same score as famine but he took longer than me

Early it is impossible to know the exact point difference is unless you see someone top 100.

[shell heron]

But there are thresholds before a +1 is added to your base score

Right now it is 35 points per +1

[silent yew]

using same as defence fleet to attack. ik not good but i don't have many good pvp ship leveled up.i'll deal with that

can u explain more plz ? about how u know wich give bonus and what do u mean stay 5 matches behind ?

[shell heron]

My advice. Hold of until 10/10 matches. Then take only 5

Because if you push to 0. Chances of getting someone below you is high and you get negative bonuses

[ripe latch]

or lost matches

[silent yew]

oh like right now. if i had more chances i wouldn't fight someone wo have higher rank..

[royal oyster]

if you sandbag too hard you end up getting lists of people you lapped or other sandbaggers

[shell heron]

Example. You're at 1405 now and you see an opponent with 1440+ as your opponent. That is a +11 vs the usual +10

Always check the ladder if unsure of point difference. Assuming they're top 100

[silent yew]

but u're on top one u stay 5 matches behind ?

[shell heron]

Ah yes. Being too far ahead have its disadvantages

Sandbaggers push to 0 when we feel like stopping

[silent yew]

sandbaggers ?

[shell heron]

That's what we refer this strat as

[silent yew]

u mean ppl who attack ark +3 destroyers ?

[shell heron]

Purposely handicapping ourselves

More so that our current rank is a lie than using a bad fleet

But that's not a fun thing to do. Getting a high rank for 3 minutes of memeing at the end of a season

Basic strat to get a higher rank. Don't fight players below you

[silent yew]

okey i'll keep it in mind
i want higher rank for more merit and so more purins
i think that's the best part of pvp xd

[ripe latch]

best part pvp - found interesting fleets

[silent yew]

xd

[shell heron]

soon purins will not be a problem and you'll have 40+ sitting in your dock

[visual breach]

Is torpmeme still viable

[shell heron]

if you like resetting if initial wave fails

[visual breach]

I was thinking of changing into a hms fleet since my nakaga just dies to warspite kai

[silent yew]

wait rly ? i keep avoiding nakaga . i tried attacking it only once and i got totally destroyed
i'll try attacking it again when i find it

[visual breach]

My backline just keeps melting

[shell heron]

if you pause and leave the match